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We Flipped Our Overland Trailer | Jeep Mountain Adventure
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- čas přidán 29. 11. 2021
- Will, Kate, and Chris (from Frontier State Overland) flipped their Overland Trailer (HICKS). After our first night on an overland mountain road adventure leading to a remote lake in the Seven Devil mountains, a rogue bump in the road flips our overland trailer project (HICKS) and we have to figure out how to recover the trailer, what was damaged, and whether or not we can salvage the build.
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This was a crazy adventure that ended abruptly. We learned a ton. We're looking at different types of couplers, shocks/springs, and how we might lower the COG on HICKS V2. Thank you for watching!
Perhaps some hubcentric wheel spacers widening the stance might help stability in addition to a lower COG.
We're looking at both of those options as we rebuild. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
I Overland with an M416. I kept the original luna ring and pintle setup. I’ve thrashed it pretty hard, including sliding it sideways in a hard turn on slush-covered pavement with no troubles. I did keep the tall and narrow NDCC (non-directional cross country) military tires on there as well. My center of gravity remains low.
Here’s an overview of my setup:
czcams.com/video/njMlw5QPPRg/video.html
Thanks for posting this. We all learn from each others' experiences. Convinces me that a Lock-and-Roll is the way to go.
Timbren suspension and a true off road coupler.
For sure. I think our biggest mistake was building the COG too high. We'll be making some changes to HICKS soon!
I used to be a distributor for timbrens. I disagree with using them here.
You are a great story teller. Even My oldest girl, who typically finds overlanding videos "boring" was immediately drawn into this video. Nicely done.
I'm a big fan of the tow Pintle for offroad trailers. May not keep the trailer from flipping but it'll keep it hooked up no matter how it twists.
Thank you sir!!! So cool to hear it kept your daughter’s attention!! We are looking at Pinterest/Lunette as an option. Thank for stopping by and watching!!!
Time to upgrade to a Lock-n-Roll (or similar) style hitch. I moved my 40's era trailer to that 2 years ago and love it so much I'm moving my boat trailer to a Lock-n-Roll as well. Thanks for sharing the action...gonna be a lot of 'you should've' type comments on this one! (Good for the metrics though)
As long as they are helpful comments (like this one), I'm all for the advice. I think Chris and will do a podcast on all fo these comments tomorrow night. It's really interesting stuff if you like overland trailers! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!
Yeah, ball hitches are just bad news off-road unfortunately. Doesn't take much to disengage them with all the articulation the rig and trailer experience.
I agree...even more than that...and aluminum coupler is very bad off-road! We're definitely doing something different with the hitch.
Poor HICKS. I blame Chris! 🤣 Glad everyone stayed safe. Thanks again for sharing the backroads of your beautiful state!
HICKS lived to tow again another day! We're having fun building V2 - recording a podcast on it tomorrow night! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Idaho is waiting for you. 😀
Who asked you?! But really, I was the one who was towing so……
I mean, I think it’s appropriate to blame Chris for most things that go wrong…
Those military trailers are were meant to be towed fully loaded behind fairly slow moving older Willie’s. Because of this when they are fairly empty or loaded with little weight they are like a pogo stick on the trail. A good way to cure this is to add shocks to quickly dampen the bounce of the leaf springs. Just my 2 cents.
Use a max coupler when you rebuild they will not let go. I would also look at putting some shocks on it to help dampen the bumps. I don’t particularly like the Timbren but it’s a decent option for a relatively cheap price if you have to scrap the axle but the system on the scout is way better but don’t know who makes it.
You are speaking our language! We're looking at all of these options right now...thanks for the tips!
@@Venture2Roam awesome can’t wait to see the outcome
Be sure to get one suitable for the weight not one that is overkill or else it will bounce from being stiff when not loaded down
Thanks for the tip!
Great video.
Thank you sir! Appreciate you taking the time to watch.
Finally the flipping trailer video😯😯😯😯👍
Sorry it took so long...wanted to do it justice!
Good afternoon, Will, Chris & Family ! Im just glad that nobody was hurt ! Great call on heading home and staying safe ! I'm up in age & know that luck doesn't always strike twice ! Bumps, ruts & rocks can come up at a blink of an eye. Nature's beauty can distract you at times, it's happened to alot of us. If Hicks could talk, He'd say gobble-gobble, moo-moo, fix me up & go back new ! Keep your tail on the trail & keep smiling !
Martin, what a great comment, thank you so much! We’re in the process of rebuilding HICKS and are planning on getting him back in the trail asap!
I'll keep an eye open to see Hicks back on the trails.
Great video
Thank you for watching, I really appreciate it!
Another great adventure
Thank you Chance!
Looked like a great trip minus what happened to HICKS. The farm animals in the beginning was funny... MOOOOO-VVVEEE Over!!!
Those Turkeys were running in front of us for at least 1/2 mile! lol
That’s one of my biggest fears with pulling my trailer. So far it seems good, but this is a great lesson to not take its capabilities for granted
Funny - we never really considered it until it happened. I think keeping the COG as low as possible, especially with a high rack like the one we put on would have kept this from happening...Here's hoping you and I never trade this particular war story lol!
@@Venture2Roam I hope so too!
That stinks! However, you live and learn......Great vid! Cheers!!
Exactly right! With no one hurt - it was a cheap lesson. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!!
awesome video man, great job with it!!
Thanks Doc! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and leave a comment!
If it was me, I would replace the coupler with something more offroad friendly. Check out a tow pintle, the military uses them to get their trailers full of supplies into some pretty off camber areas. Its too bad this happened on your trip, I am glad everyone made it out okay. You guys handled that situation very well, it could have gone a different way very easily. I can't wait to see what you guys end up doing with your trailer.
Thanks Jason! We're evaluating different hitch options. It was a bummer, but we're having fun with the rebuild!!!
The military version of this trailer (M100) actually came with a rotating lunette setup. That's what I have on my M416 and I'm aiming to keep that setup.
@@Tonon487 We're taking a good hard look at the pintle/lunette set up!
Good video to show that ball hitch isn't good for off-road trailers. Glad it was saved for the most part.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment, I really appreciate it! Hitch/Coupler is a very interesting subject. We're definitely revisiting what type of hitch to do for HICKS V2. In some ways, it's not a bad thing the ball hitch came off in this situation because it allowed the trailer to flip without damaging the Jeep at all (lock and roll benefit). However, that would not have prevented the trailer from flipping or stopped the damage to HICKS. A Pintle/Lunette set up may have stopped the trailer from rolling because it's so light weight...but there's a risk that it would damage the Jeep in doing so. So while I'm not saying a ball hitch is better for off-roading, I am saying if the the trailer is going to flip (totally different convo on preventing that) you want it to do so without causing damage to your vehicle, which in this case it did.
So sorry for your trip.but your right better safe than sorry
I'm editing the comeback/redemption trip right now!!!
maybe put a pin through the hitch lock? Those bumps probably unlocked it and eventually that big bump made it fall off.
Moooooooooo you later?😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean...When you're in Rome...or in this case..Weiser Idaho lol.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm capable of building/fabbing and then I see how others asses problems, and I'm like, yea, were good......
There’s always someone doing it dumber than you 😂
This is exactly why you always use a proper couple on an off road trailer. I have a Ex-UK military Sankey trailer and have retained the original NATO pintle and Lunette , so If the trailer goes over, it will not damage the coupling. It is also braked and has an anti-roll bar. The trailer is actually very stable as has the same wheel track as the Defender. Your trailer seems to have a fairly narrow wheel track, which is never good for stability, it also bounces a lot. so might be worth considering adding better dampers and anti roll bar to the trailer, it should level it up better.
Yep, this is a Bantam Trailer. The company that originally designed the first Jeep. It's spec'd to WWII dimensions because it was made to be towed by the military. Designs have come a long way since then, but we love this thing regardless, it's a collectors item. We did put a different hitch coupler on it and took it out again to finish this trip: czcams.com/video/qebrudVrLiE/video.html
Great video. I would have risked it and kept going though!
Definitely need to invest in a better coupler. Those harbor freight ones are not very heavy duty, let alone off road worthy.
Timbrens are crazy expensive but likely would have saved the trailer from the leaf spring launch.
We played it safe for sure. We’re revisiting our axle and hitch. Stay tuned!!!
Those were trail guide Turkeys. 👍👍😎🤔🙄
Hahaha.
That's why you don't use a regular trailer hitch for an offroad trailer.
You guys need to ditch that ball hitch, and install a pintal hitch! Cheap, easy and no more problems ever again.
We agree!!! We actually went with more of a lock and roll style…but only because the Pintle is loud. They are the best value though…tried and true. More vids on this build/rebuild coming very soon!!
I second the timbren suspension, and lock and roll hitch. I'm curious did you guys air down the trailer before the tail, or were your towing it on street pressure?
We looked at Timbrens initially, but decided to go with a solid axel and leaf springs...now that we may have to replace the axel, we'll be revisiting Timbrens. We did air down...to 20 PSI before we hit dirt...although I'm hearing some folks air their trailers down way more than that.
@@Venture2Roam I was going to ask the same thing. I run the tires on my 1500lb offroad trailer at 15psi. These are just shy of 29" BFG KO2s on 15" wheels.
Knowing my trailer has a 3500lb axle with the typical short trailer leaf spring setup from when I first built it, it can be bouncy. Not as bad with the tires aired way down though. I saved my rear springs and shocks off my '17 Tacoma TRD Offroad to eventually swap out to smooth out the ride.
@@insaynbcr That's a great idea. Chris and I finally have a game plan on what to do next..video coming soon!
Very cool video.
Thanks Nathan. Love your channel!
That is so unfortunate you guys, after doing so much work and Im sure spending big $$$ I hate it when stuff like that happens. I always tell myself that if someone hits my Jeep and totals it, they better hope I'm too hurt to get out! All jokes aside, with all the mods etc. that you should or should not have done, at the end of the day this could have been totally avoided by driving slower. Not trying to harsh your gig at all, overspeed on trails is a complacency that I often fall into as well. A lot of our back roads in Idaho can be totally unpredictable and I have had my fair share of close calls out there. I hope a year on your cool trailer is all patched up and serving you well again. Please guys, be safe.
Great perspective and advice. Check out the redemption run film! czcams.com/video/qebrudVrLiE/video.htmlsi=QGXxOqUzkT4p4T1B
Get a 360 off road hitch that you actually bolt to the towbar
Very good point. We wound up getting something similar to that. New vid on the re-build coming out soon. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!
Thats why, you should have used the original Bantam connector.
Bantam really did get it right the first time! I wish it would have had it. The previous owner removed it…those pintles are really great. We actually did a more in depth discussion about this on our podcast (American Overlander).
next time you go camping you will need two landrover defender one 90 and one 110 and of course two penman trailers problem solved still nobody was hurt.
😂🙌
upgrade time.
I have spent a LOT of time towing a trailer off-road, including 2 that I built. An independent suspension on anything that light is a MUST. The leaf springs with no or little shock suppression will always insight a flip on what should have just been absorbed. Timbren is okay but I ended up using a 1973 Super Beetle suspension with air shocks on my last trailer and it was a boss on the trails. Secondly, please please please, ditch the ball mount. Until then, use a hitch pin or lock for the hole in the locking mechanism.
Sounds like you have a lot of experience towing trailers off-road! The hitch pin was in when the trailer flipped, it was just out because we were adjusting it when I took the video of the warped metal. We're definitely looking at different hitch system. Stay tuned to find out what we do next. You can watch the build series here: czcams.com/play/PLv4WOiu-rUDDf7NUccBrtKJ2syWIj4Rxi.html
Great video Will regardless of the train wreck. Hahahaha!!!!!! What tire pressure is Chris running in the trailer tires?
Thanks Lance!! It was a bit of a train wreck, but at least we still a project to work on! We aired the trailer down to 20, which is what we were running the Jeeps at as well. It felt plenty low for the easy roads we were on...but we could have gone 18-15..not sure that would have kept the trailer from flipping though. WINTER CAMPING - let's go.
@@Venture2Roam cant wait for the 10th. So excited to get out with you guys!!!
i have noticed pulling those small trailers on logging roads that they bounce like crazy with even moderate air pressure. As light as it is with 33” tires I would try to air down below 15 and see if it rides better. Not saying that it would have prevented the roll over.
@@AngerManagementOverland we might try that next time. Good tip
I enjoyed the video, nice work. Sorry about your hiccup along the way that ended your trip early. I noticed you didn’t have a pin through your hitch release. Not 100% on if that would’ve kept the trailer attached. I helped a guy one time who had a trailer bounce off the ball and he didn’t have a pin either. I threw a bolt in there for him and helped him along. Something to think about. It won’t hurt to put one in.
Thank you so much for watching!! So glad you enjoyed the vid, and hope you come back to the channel to watch more!! The pin comment is spot on..however, we did have the pin in…we had just taken it out because we were adjusting the trailer right before I shot that part of the video. I do think it makes a difference…we have a new coming out soon where we show how we are reassembling HICKS…starting with a new Hitch.
he needs the military pintel and lunette!
That’s a really good option…but super noisy. We went a slightly different route. czcams.com/video/rQk7136CKas/video.html
Nice Video Nice Recovery.
People wonder WHY trails are being CLOSED, rowdiness, trash & Driving TOO FAST. Yeah Chris might have hit a """Bump""". Butt to hit a """Bump""" Hard enough to make a trailer get airborne, come unhooked & Almost loose it over a Cliff Is CARELESS/RECKLESS SPEED. Yes You said you SLOW DOWN on Private Property. Why not Drive the same speed on Public Land as you do on Private Land? You're Supposed to be out there Enjoying the Scenery & Nature. Calm Down, Slow Down, Enjoy what we have BEFORE we LOOSE IT.
Well the good thing is Nobody went over the cliff, Everybody is OK.
Thank you for watching! I love your comment, because I agree with the sentiment, but do not agree we did anything to damage the trails. Chris drives a Rubi and had the auto sway bars disconnected - which means he was driving around 15 MPH. I wouldn't call that careless or reckless. We respect the trail, practice leave no trace, hit the puddle instead of driving around, etc. So please preach on, because we agree with what you're saying...this was truly a freakish bump that hit the trailer just right. Our biggest mistake was making the COG too high on HICKS I think. Thanks again for watching!
Good comment. I SWEAR I wasn’t tearing along. I’m the one everybody has to wait for at the back of the convoy.
You don't need to be driving too fast to unhook a ball hitch off-road. You can do it slow-speed rock crawling as the vehicle and trailer articulate at different angles. And a good sized rock at slow speed can still kick a light trailer sideways. I don't think you should be on here armchair quarterbacking and making assumptions. You weren't there and don't know how fast they were driving. I'm sure they'll get a better hitch and better suspension on the trailer and this will be avoided next time.
Change the coupler. I have a Max-coupler on my trailer (M101 CDN). Has for the axel, here’s my plan. Those trailer bounce a lot because of their 3.5 t suspension/axle. Appropriate leaf suspension or independent suspension is a debate by itself.
Thanks for watching! We're definitely changing the coupler. Debating which one. I think we're getting a new sold axle, but adding shocks to dampen the spring effect. We'll post our progress!
@@Venture2Roam I really like the Maxi Coupler. Shocks and put Timbren bump stop, that will help.
Trailing arms and an articulating hitch next time.
Just curious, if you had at least a pintle hitch on the jeep, and a lunette ring on the trailer, would things have ended up differently?
Yes, I think it would have stopped the trailer from flipping. It could have damaged Chris' bumper too...but one thing is certain...we're not going to back to a ball hitch!
Hi is there a more recent video about whats happening to the trailer?
Hi Eugene - I'm editing it right now. There's a LOT more coming on HICKS. We'll start posting these episodes next week.
@@Venture2Roam Great thanks
@@Venture2Roam Let me know once its been released
Will do! If you subscribe and click the notification bell you’ll get notified!!
@@Venture2Roam Yep i am subscribed. Thanks mate
towball should never be used on an offroad trailer they don't have enough articulation and in different circumstances could've taken the jeep off the side with the trailer. they don't even have enough articulation for light offroad.
Thanks for watching and sharing your perspective.
No pin in the coupler? No wonder the trailer come loose.
The pin was in the coupler…just had taken it out while adjusting the hitch before we filmed that section. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment!
eh, it happens, glad you got it back in mostly one piece.
Thank you! We’re having fun working on HICKS V2!
Ball hitches aren’t really good for off road travel. It severely lacks in articulation that is required for any overlanding.
True. We are replacing it with something closer to a lock and roll.
It should’ve said screw it and camp out there where you’re at and then go home the next day.
Maybe. We did go back though…and had a heck of a time on the next attempt. czcams.com/video/qebrudVrLiE/video.html
Jeep owners.
That’s an incomplete sentence. 😂
haha...kids wearing masks in the car...kids wearing masks outside...yeah it's your family but that's pathetic. What lesson are you teaching them.? but whatever.
Parental opinions aside, I appreciate you watching the video.
lame. Should have kept going.
To each their own. Thanks for watching!