Elden Ring’s Bizarre Spacetime
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Where are ELDEN RING’s “Lands Between”? Does having a location that is neither here nor there even make sense from a physics perspective? Is there a place in spacetime where you can get one-shotted by bosses that clearly read your controller inputs? Noted gamer zaddy Kyle Hill once again explains the science of #EldenRing.
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*Thanks for watching!* Always fun to get a bit more silly with these. We return to existential threats next!
Existential threats you say..... so, more information hazard videos? That would be awesome!
...like Yo Mamma (pls dont ban me).
@@captainspaulding5963 exactly
I wanna know more about these causality-defying giant cylinders, please
"Doom doo doom doooom doooom doo doo doooom."
Get that reference, and I'll give you a space invader cookie.
So "The Lands Between" isn't just, like, between other lands?
I'm pretty sure it is, kyle just wanted an excuse to talk about light cones
TOO EASY
Yeah
How dare you
It probably is, yeah.
"I'm not mad. I just pressed roll." Most relatable sentence ever.
I loved the way he said that.
Stamina 100% of the time😢
To be fair, Elden ring does have a pretty hefty delay after you press the button before a roll actually executes. This is down to the fact that the developers decided to double bind roll / sprint on the same button, which means the software code needs to work out whether you intended to roll or simply sprint. The game doesn't even start processing your button press until you release the button. The boss fights in elden rings are spectacular but the combat is worse in every way as compared to older soul games and in particular NIOH 2.
This was sooo funny I started crying before laughing.😂😂😂 Kyle never change brother whew.
@@giglioflexCouple things:
Sprint was also bound to roll in the prior titles, this does not explain the feel of a delay in elden ring. I’m not denying the existence of the delay, it does feel like it’s there, but that’s not why.
I’m really here to contend with the “combat is worse in every way” statement, because it’s just odd. Having just come off a recent DS3 all bosses play through, there’s a few things I want to say on the subject. Firstly, I do appreciate DS3’s approach to combat. It’s snappy in a way that all of the other games save for Bloodborne and Sekiro lack. What really contributes to the difference in feel between DS3 and Elden Ring, I think, is the approach to hitstun. DS3 almost always allows you to escape combos (not absolutely always, but there’s usually an out provided). From both an enemy and boss design standpoint, many more enemies in elden ring, buy especially bosses, are capable of forcing more hits out of a single mistake than they probably should. That’s both a matter of attack speed and what seems to be an increased hitstun duration, but I cannot confirm the latter.
But to say that the combat is worse across the board is flat out wrong. There is much more depth to Elden Ring’s combat. DS3 is refined, yes. But Elden Ring makes playing in a variety of different styles practical and entertaining in ways DS3 consistently fails to do. Case in point: playing DS3 with a shield pretty much sucks. They’re not so great at blocking damage, and the stamina loss is just too much on a consistent basis. Elden ring remedies this in a few ways, but I think the most profound have to do with offensive capabilities. One of my runs of elden ring was a stagger focused sword and board build, and I do mean board: I used a partial block wooden shield. Not everything can be blocked, and that’s a good thing. But calculated and well timed blocks can be excellent for maintaining pressure, and guard counters do substantial poise damage. Utilized correctly, shields in elden ring can be a tool for increased aggression rather than their typically passive role in prior games aside from parries. That’s only one example. Using a slower, lower dps weapon for bosses can be effective due to the poise system. Faster weapons can get in attacks mid combo much of the time, allowing for hyper aggressive playstyles. Magic is far less boring. Hitstun against enemies and the diversity of movesets, the utility of weapon skills and the customization that comes with ashes of war, they all come together to make an all around more interesting combat system than DS3, even if at times it lacks the same refinement. DS3’s greatest triumph is it’s consistency, nothing ever feels like bs. Elden Ring has its share of BS, but that goes both ways. A friend of mine ended up on a build so powerful he did 14k straight damage to Mohg and his first attempt, which outright killed him before the phase transition. That was on a first playthrough with no wiki. Elden Ring is far from perfect, but it’s anything but boring or subpar. Every weapon and ability is a tool, and they’re all used in a fairly diverse set of ways that I find incredibly enjoyable. There’s so many different ways to approach any given situation, and most of them are viable.
And yeah, sometimes it does feel annoying. You’ll hit B and find yourself standing right where you started, eating 1000 damage to the face for bo discernible reason. But most of the time their still IS a reason, it’s just not as cut and dry as dark souls, where you know you just mistimed your input. Direction matters, and attacks are often a little harder to read with lots of off tempo timings. The fact that some combos trap you is for better and for worse intentional, and once you know which ones do, it’s now your fault if you let it happen again. The overall loop hasn’t changed: you die, and you learn. There’s so much more to learn in Elden Ring, and that’s why I love it. I love DS3, too, for how fair and refined combat is. You’re never ridiculously strong relative to your enemies, and they’re never overbearing (except Halflight, fuck that guy). I can’t say honestly that one is consistently better than the other in every way, because it’s just flat out not true. Elden ring absolutely does things worse than other games they’ve made, but it knocks it out of the park just as often, and to ignore it’s highs just isn’t giving the game a fair shake.
That "like yo momma" joke was priceless.
...like yo momma!
I laughed
chef's kiss.
💩
Everyone is asking "Who is Marika ?" or even "How is Marika ?" when the true question was always "When is Marika ?"
When even are we the player? How long has time been running in the lands between. How many eons passed while the dragons ruled?
@@A_Black_Sheep94
At minimum 2 hours I think
How about WHY IS MARIKA?
@@airproci: Whomstedisn'test Marika?
This guy fucks
“Can you identify a fourth dimension? Spoiler, no you can’t “
Me scrubbing back and forth on the video timeline: “I’m sorry. What were we talking about?”
3x
You mean... When were we talking about...
I'm 12 and this is deep
"CURSE YOU BAYLE!!!!"
I HEREBY VOW! YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY
Bayle is a really cool boss but he’s kinda easy, I killed him on my second try
@@tiagomiranda316BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR!
@@halfblood_drag0nyou must have been ready for him because i struggled quite a bit
@@michaelsoftelbowsAND I, IGON! YOUR FEARS MADE FLESH!
"And ladies speak like Shakespear had a lobotomy."
Who art thou? To spaketh such a truth?
And yet, one must come to understand.....
It's bloody hella fun to do.
4:40 "i Respawned" in the middle of a sentence had me laughing, good one
4:32
O you don’t have the right, O you don’t have the right!
*cries* I DO have the right.. I do... Welp, time to try Rellana again
@@adamk.7177
Use great shield with a great sword with piercing fang counter ash of war, and when she gets to her second phase whip out your mimic
so to speak right required ahead
I want to go home and then edge
This comment needs more likes lol because we literally don't have the right
I have clearly been watching "too much" PBS spacetime when i knew this was heading towards a Feynman diagram with light cones 😅
I believe you brainfarted with 'Feynman' there. His most well known diagrams are to do with particle interactions, not spacetime.
@@AthAthanasiuspenrose
He better talk about how Farum Azula seems to be "at the end of time" somehow
Because you go there at the end of the game
Farum azula is an anomaly place where time seems to just stay in one place or go in reverse (placidussax). Not the end of time but will be for sure.
I actually laughed out loud at "Like yo' mama."
Caught me completely off guard 😂
That shit was smooth as hell. All his yo mama jokes are.
"(would, btw)"
Massive respect
That is one way to contract the Scarlet Rot...
"The universe is old and huge and seems infinitely traversable, like yo mama." - K.Hill. Excellent sci-burn.
4:25 Aw hell nah it's the fucking infohazard basilisk.
Nah, Roko's basilisk is a bad joke. This one actually seems to be able to do damage, so it can't be that.
@@FelisImpurrator Roko's basilisk can be safely ignored. Kyle's basilisk on the other hand Is A Problem
@@eragonawesome Just smack it with the serpent-hunter, it'll be fiiine.
Pleasantly surprised to see an Elden Ring video from Kyle.
8:16 so you could call them the Lands Between Time...But what about: the Lands *Before* Time? Are they related somehow? 🤔
Littlefoot approves
Sodium
It's a good idea, but it would imply the existence of a countably infinite set of sequels of noticeably lower quality, and we don't want that.
I would call them more like the “Lands Between Ages”, since time still passes there, but it would be impossible to get there without taking an “Age” to do so. Which makes me wonder, how did-was it Godfrey?-and his Tarnished army leave to fight wars beyond the Lands Between? Hell, what about the Land of Reeds??
(Personally, I think the name is just a name; it probably meant something in the ancient times before Marika and the Erdtree, but thanks to the conquests of the Golden Order, that name is more of a vestigial title)
@@jameshart2622 At least we got a great Jenny Nicholson video out of it!
"Remember that *abruptly: I respawned* Remeber that because..."
He knew what my brain was thinking
I be reading it "R.ail R.oad Martin" too 😂😂😂
Refreshed and saw this bad boy on my home page with the words "Uploaded 3 minutes ago" under it. Oh yeah baby. We here
17 hours for me
The CZcams spoilers of “The Three Body Problem” got weird with the explanation of extra dimensions.
“it has been approximately zero days since kevin was badly injured or has broken something expensive” lmfaooo
I actually CAN see the extra dimension in that image. It's called the "Liar dimention."
Elden Ring even includes more of this. Farum Azula was hit with such a cataclysmic amount of energy when Placidusax and Godfrey fought, that it not only shattered the city, it ripped it outside of time. Ranni's entire goal is to gather all these obnoxious gods up, and literally haul them all into deep space and keep them there, forever trapped in the black between the stars, where they can't hurt anyone else.
Dont think it was Godfrey
@@tequilawhiskeyit was not.
@@Abyss_8228 we should probly ask that Igon fella what he thinks.
Your head cannon sound neat, but it's quite off
Yeah umm that wasn’t Godfrey
All Hail The Light Cone. All Hail The Basilisk.
So, I’m no expert and I’ve never even played Elden ring, but based on your model, wouldn’t the Lands Between, in order to remain outside your light cone over time, have to either:
A. Move in space over time, at the speed of light, in relation to your light cone (and presumably everyone else’s) to stay out of them
B. Cease to exist at a time before you can reach them, making them literally just, not real in your time, or
C. Exist in a singular place so far away from anyone’s light cone that they never intersect, presumably in infinite distance so you can’t cheat the system by making your journey a generational one.
The most logical answer for a static place in space being C, wouldn’t that just make the Lands Between… like, the Lands Really Really Far Away?
I was looking for this comment and yea
theoretically the light cone only stops you from getting to a point in space at a specific point in time
given enough time you should be able to get to any point in space just fine
I was waiting the whole video for him to mention it I'm kinda surprised he didn't
Universe is expanding in an accelerated rate. Vast portions of the Universe will always remain inaccessible to us even if we travel at speed of light
@@sailingadventurerRight, so his theory is still valid. I’m just saying when you think about it, this video could kinda be summed up by saying “they’re actually just too far away.” Not that I’d want it to be, cause I love Kyle’s vids 😁 but I’m just saying.
I don't think this video is up to Kyle's standards for a complete explanation.
Given the model he illustrated (at least local enough to be a flat, static universe), any event in spacetime should be reachable from any worldline. Even if it's elsewhere in the present, my future light cone caught it at some point in the past, and my past light cone will catch it at some point in the future.
*Everywhere* except yourself is "elsewhere" in the present. My computer screen is technically elsewhere in my present, it's just that I can see how it was in my past (distance/c time ago) when it left my past light cone, and I can send information that will affect it in the future (distance/c time from now), when it hits my future light cone. Any place "elsewhere" is plenty accessible, you just have to wait a bit.
Lore wise, the lands between is like the purgatory. It's somehow a place both material and immaterial, coherent and incoherent, aggregates several "notions" from all FromSoftware games without clearly showingor naming them. You shouldn't be there, but you're there.
"A video game where a forever baby in a hairy cocoon is captured by a blood daddy with a trident" is perhaps my favorite way I've ever heard Mohg and Miquella described. 😂😂😂
I always thought of the "The Lands Between" as like Asgard, not an actual planet just a plot of physical land in between space, and most likely time.
LETS DO THIS! Elden Ring plus Walmart Thor = Awesome!
I use to watch your old channel and I finally found you again! (Subscribed)
stiens;gate explained without mentioning steins;gate.
Okay, so you can’t have a 4th physical dimension anywhere but within mathematics, but the lands between exist entirely in a computer simulation powered by math, then they could be in a 4th dimension, right?
The roll button rant made me feel very called out
Okay I definitely need an episode expanding on that "time travel at sublight speeds" thing.
This is the coolest thumbnail you have ever crafted
Thanks for rhe update on the song of ice and fire books! I'll go looking for that fan made version instead. Martin out out a chapter like 8 years ago as a teaser and we all ate it up
You know it's gonna be a good episode when you're confused after 30 seconds.
Hill :Can you identify extra dimensions between this spaces ?
Hill again : No... you cannot
It's definitely somewhere in the shadow of the 4th dimension😂
You are brilliant kyle, from the idea of the video, to explanation and the funny aspect of it, brilliant!
That thumbnail goes fuckin hard! Nice job
"Parallel universes, another concept that so far only exists in complicated equations"
And Mario 64
AcTuAlLy, the forever baby made the blood daddy with the trident capture him from his caccoon so the forever baby could because a sort of ghostish thing to travel to his dad-mom's country and the blood daddy with the trident could be killed and his corpse be turned into the meat puppet for the forever baby's brother-consort questionably consenting soul to inhabit and obliterate you with.
i was JUST asking myself this question!! Thank you!
"When you press the roll button you should roll!"
Felt.
Best thumbnail on CZcams?
Its really, really good.
I wonder who he commissions to make such a thing. And if he ever gets them printed haha
Loved the new ending style, making yourself small and you patrons big was classy. Also cool to see Kevins walking around in the background.
"BTW, would." AYO! 😂
Love your videos Kyle
The SCIENCE of Video Games
I hope this becomes a regular series on the channel.
I needed this video for a conversation i was having with a bud. Thanks
0:23 Beep doth boop. I'm dead XD
4:25 RIP Kyle. He talked about one of Roko's creatures a while back and it sealed his fate
5:30 isn't the time cone diagram just the map of yourself, so doesnt it reason that any other object would have its own time cone, meaning that over time you could interact with object that are in elsewhere over enough time.
Youre a legend man, cheers.
Wow... I think I almost understood that explanation. Well done!
Cool episode!
Something about Elden Ring that interests me is the nature of death root/death blight -ie the corpse of Godwyn. It seems to spread to every part of the lands between, including crumbling Farum Azula which is a floating city. So death blight is not limited to areas connected to the ground nor is it limited to the lands between, as it can be found in the land of shadow, meaning that it can spread to other plains of existence.
I always thought the lands between were called the lands between since Elden ring seems to borrow some ideas from Norse and midgard is between many of the other realms. Also tbe lands between could be a continent surrounded by fog and outside of that fog are other lands such as “land of reeds” or the “badlands”
That “the two will never interact… like you and the last ASOIAF books” was DIABOLICAL 😤💀
CS Lewis also had a land between worlds in the last two books of his Narnia series. It was featured in "The Magician's Nephew." The Magician sent his nephew and nephew's friend to the land between worlds with one ring. Once there, they could change to another and jump in a pool and go to another world. The Witch from "The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe" was the last living person in a third, dying world. The nephew brought her to a new world, Narnia, as it was being created. He also brought the first line of kings from the line of Adam at that time and a bit of lamppost that would be the lamppost that the Pevencys saw when they came through the wardrobe.
"A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one" ❤
I love this explanation as it fits well with my head cannon. For me the "Lands Between" is the existence between thought and action. With each choice a player makes bringing them closer to actual movement, for better or worse. Hence why you can respawn infinitely and yet some decisions cannot be taken back once they've occurred.
7:18 can't wait! Interested in The Eternal Cylinder game!
Why am I only now realizing why the "Weapons" in Star Rail are Light Cones?
My light cones are currently equipped to my choice of assorted space waifus and husbandos.
You just tricked the player base into learning. XD
7:50 hey hey calm down you gotta specify that Mohg didn't give consent. He beat the allegations
I guess I never got far enough in physics to learn the actual light cone terminology. The phrase "closed timelike curve" makes a lot more sense now.
Even the mighty Kyle is not safe from the gravitational pull of ER 🤣🤣
It's convenient that I was trying to study this topic just yesterday and was being confused. Thanks for the perfect timing
Let us know your interpretation after this video haha
Yeah this video made things a whole lot simpler. Originally I thought it represented how time can flow in general for the whole universe (actually I forgot what my original thought was, it had something to do with relativity, and traveling through space in the direction of a light cone meant traveling through time). But now I think that the light cone kinda represents the "multiverse" to a degree when Kyle says that Event 1 (origin/present) can only lead to or be led from events that are in light cones. For example for the "past cone" you could have come from Event 2 in one reality or Event 3 in another. Same for the future cone.
A lot of fantasy settings have "planes" that are at different points along some kind of 4th dimension. Authors have described them as fully overlapping, but impossible to reach or interact with by human means. Sometimes those planes are more spiritual, other times they are at different points between "complete chaos" and "complete order".
I like to think of it as this 4th dimension being quantized such that space can only exist at specific points, so particles in our plane can't cross over because they don't have the energy to jump to another plane. "In between" would then refer to the infinity of points along this 4th dimension but aren't aligned with the points in which space can exist, which by my own definition, would not be able to support space.
"I respawned" oh that really tickled me xDD
Thank you mr Kibbler. Very informative.
Nice little callout to Tipler Cylinders!
This video helped me understand honkai star rail, of all things.
7:48 we well not hear a single word against our Lord Mogh! It has been proven that not only he was not the Moghlester but the one who got Moghlested instead.
he still kidnaps virgin women for blood rituals (which involves killing), and generally he kills innocents very often. Also, he's the lord of BLOOD
Not the Basilisk 😂
The lands between could be parallel 3d spaces accessed by moving along the rolled up extra dimensions in string theory.
These extra dimensions exist "between" any two points in 3d space and moving along one could take you from one 3d slice (or "Brane-World" in string theory) to another.
Man, you made me think about the Basilisk again
“I’m not mad, I just.. I pressed roll.” Is such a mood. Pretty much sums up Elden ring before I got bloodhounds fang and blood flame blade incantation. Now it’s thee who wished they pressed roll
Now I REALLY want to know about the spacetime cone for time travel at sub-light velocities
nice. thanks kyle.
The Lands Between are literally the lands between other land, across the geographical fog. There are other lands in the world, The Land of Reeds, The Highlands, The Badlands, etc. There is also the Shadow realm, which is another separate geographic location placed directly in the center of the world, the implications of a 'center' is unclear.
4:00 I read that as Pasta Cone
I'm going to go a little Terrance Howard but I've always thought of size as a type of fourth dimension by changing size, in or out, bigger or smaller. The layers of "size" comprising the 3 spacial layers
Light cone: appears
Me: Lights a cigarette
The biologist trying to understand what light cone color it is
"I'm not mad, I just, I pressed roll" RIGHT?!? I KNOOOOW I PRESSED ROLL!!!! Dang!!!
That is actually a pretty good theory on where the land of shadows is located since it’s inaccessible by normal travel in space-time.
Calling him George 'Rail Road' Martin has to be the least applicable nickname ever.
He can't even keep his characters on rails, he just lets them roam however they like, forcing him to come up with questlines, locations and interesting loot on the fly. And those new characters then have their own NPC AI, that can just make them throw themselves into the path of another character, completely messing up the intended questline they were on; or have that NPC become a player character, because they're just so interesting to maneuver around.
Imagine using Corpsepiler 😂
I like the self-deprecation haha
It's so cool that the representation of the finite limit of what we are capable of doing with the time we exist is the shape of an hourglass.
This was so funny at so many points in my current light cone. Hopefully I'm using that correctly. I can't science that well.
Didnt expect to finally understand what honkai star rail lightcones are based on. In short treasure ahead 😅
Currently stuck on the erdtree boss plant thing. That B button rant is accurate. I swear there is input lag or something
Beep doth boop. Indeed.
Saw the thumbnail and thought "Science Dementus"
4:25 you are teasing me. You naughty naughty