Your previous God is everywhere, right? Well he's been in the room during every gay act since Roman times when EVERYONE WAS BISEXUAL. Get over yourself. Now if you're referring to a child, that's a different thing. Destroy them all.
Absolutely. Pedos are the worst, most evil people right up there with people like Mengele or Hitler. Like those crimes against humanity, they are totally evil, probably demonic possessed. Shocking. If they feel tendency to go and have sex with kids , they need their genitals removed.
My grandad comes from that part of the village back in the day and he says the same thing - they were not hero’s they were animals and everyone hated them
That's why savile wasn't caught as he was protected by the royals and the huge ring he was a part of. Jill dando was killed as she was going to expose a huge pedophile ring within the BBC Inc major singers like cliff Richard.
And ALL the boarding schools too.!!!! They all know what happens in them dark sinister places because their fathers put them through it as did their fathers before them.
@@tommy2guns220, very easily, I’ve went through my whole life not trusting people, people who are gullible enough to trust are the people stupid enough to get themselves robbed, killed, injured, you name it.
2 morons . Not even Mafia way minded. Those require brains for upper echallons . Thugs like Krays may be just somewhere at very low level . And not for long :))Actually Mafia did not want to have anything 2 do with them when the brothers went to USA . They were really nothing .
Same mentality that Hitler had over the whole of the German public. It's a strange thing isn't it what a bit of bullshit and fear can do to a mass of people. Still rife in the world as demonstrated by Putin and his fat mate in North Korea
This guy is ex vice squad John wedger and he go's after nonceys and sra enthusiasts horrible C#$TS the krays were both wrong-uns qnd not in glamorous gangster way friends with pedo lord Boothby.
There are worst stories than this. Towards the end, It is alleged that boys were being snatched off the street. I was 4 years old and grew up in Bow, 1969 and my family were terrified of this happening to me and brother. We weren’t allowed to play outside our block of flats because of it, for years.
From the establishment like Houses of Parliament etc cos of the links to Jimmy Saville and the multiple pedo rings or you mean specifically the Krays? I’m sorry you went through life like that.
They procured children for the rich and famous, political elites. Boothby was a fucking nonce. There are files on the Krays that can't be opened for so many years because of this.
@@andrewtowell6074 everyone knows and when the media get round to telling people the truth the Kray money train will be over for everyone…no more books no more films no more old cockneys talking shit in documentaries about how they knew the krays .. it time this shit show was stopped, cliff Richard too
Charlie Richardson? he was a real hard man, and at least he wasn't a nonce as far as I know.. I read his book years back, was a great read.. some stories them boys had back in the day 👍🏼
Legend was a great film for not glorifying the Kray’s but I hate this fuckin new age love for them. No research on the twats and you’ll think they were boy scouts but instead they were handing out boy scouts. it’s a weird culture the internet and media presents us with now.
@@MichaelWatson-xj3zb Yeah I also let a fart out when the geezer's are on the internet holding their Albert's in their hand dissing the Krays now their gone , yeah big and brave!
And Bethnal Green turned out in their thousands to show respect to nonces who they’d glamourised over the years, it was sickening & I see those people for what they are now.
He talks a lot about abuse victims , but i've seen plenty of his interviews and he has never blown the whistle on anyone , anyone who is alive anyway ,he may mention a few dead nonces names, but not one single name mentioned of the abusers who are still out there , also a good mate of Bill Maloney who is full of shit
It's well documented and has been known for years. If your going to refute someone else's statement you should maybe have something with a bit more substance to say considering the subject matter.
TBF just because he's not a fan doesn't mean that he can't tell stories about them. On that logic, nobody can ever relay stories about other people unless they are a fan.
They also tried taking over Manchester and Salford and they didn't even make it off train platform. The Q.S.G were waiting and kicked the living shit out of them and so called gang.
No-one was there... Leave it in the past! Because in their prime this fella would have got his mrs to awnser the front door when they sent someone knocking!
You’re right. Never speak about a peadophile unless you’re a lot harder and can beat him up. Other than that exception we should all keep quiet about peado’s. Good thinking pal. You must be in mensa or something?
He's ex soho vice squad not some bellend down the pub if you are shocked by this you should see what he says about David Jason it will make you lose hope in humanity if you can find it it's difficult to find online but there is some information if look in the right place 😉.
@@matthewhaywood247If it's hard to find can't you just tell us? You mean Del Boy? wouldn't surprise me, BBC is a hub for pedos, perverts and rich weirdo leftie out of touch fk heads.
This was rife back then. My dad had a relative of the Krays working for him and had to sack him, nothing happened lol. But his boss who was on the board, used to parade his "nephew" around the office. He wasn't his nephew obviously and it ended up in the papers later. This was a major British institutional company and still today a national household name company.
2 young male singers were known to the krays, one ended up chopped up in a suitcase and the other one? I don't want to say his name because years later he took out all these super injunctions to protect himself 😮
Because there’s conflicting reports that women and children actually felt safe when the Krays were around because they instilled fear for ppl not to mess with innocent ppl who were not involved in the gang life
My friends Dad was in the blind beggar back in the 60s. I'm 51. George Jones was his name. He's passed away now but what a character lol. He had two sofa refurbishment shops. One on the Roman Rd and one on Leytonstone High st called "Sitting Suite" He was having a drink with his now ex wife when Reg walked up and starting chatting Marion up knowing, she was with George. George knew who he was but George don't care. He walked up to Reg and warned him. They had a tate ar tate and George put Reg on his arse! Before George knew he'd done him he was put face down on the bar with a gun to his head. Reg said let him go as it was Reg's fault. For about 3 months after Ron n Reg were showering George with gifts for him and his Mum, trying to recruit him on the firm lol. George said that life weren't for him so they helped him start the sofa business.
The old fella recovered my mum's old suite. We lived down the road from the Krays. My old man never had a good word about the twins. He witnessed them collecting protection money from the pub guvnor's. He knew Ronnie was a nonce.
Dont think he would of pulled a gun on the krays,and lived to tell the tail.so does lose the story's credibility a touch.but weren't nice people what notorious gangster killers would be ?
My grandfather, a cockney, carried a Webley back in the day. They emigrated to Australia when shit started going down, and my uncles wanted to join a certain gang.
I cant find it, but i saw a British gangster movie once called "Richard" i think. He started by selling scrap after WW2, i beleive he was competition to the Krays. It was an awesome movie, alot better than the Twins movie, and i like Tom Hardy. If you like British gangster movies look it up, really good. Enjoy.
And that is the exact reason why I got rid of all my cray brothers Artefacts & shirts I don't care how cool or tough they were But touching a child like that inappropriately is Vile & disgusting We call them rock spiders In Australia not sure what u call them in England But it doesn't get any worse than that whoever the gangster was that threaten to kill Ronnie hes the champion He's the real bad arse
@Niki OK that's a fair point I have heard a couple of gangsters over the years say basically the same thing so I'm just going to err on the side of caution, I would really love to think that it was not true
@Davey James That's true I could be gullible or even mistaken but I have heard over the years a couple of different gangsters basically say the same thing
Full podcast czcams.com/video/Hx5iDj64fEs/video.html
Can't open the link
Link don't work
ronnie bummed those till brothers
Wats the title as link is broken
This guy looks like a head statue of a Roman emperor come to life.
😂You just made me laugh properly out loud. Oh my days, what a brilliant comment mate😂
Art attack
ha ha he looks like the gezzer who fiddled while rome burnt nero i think ?
What a fucking comment 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Brilliant 😂😂
Real men wouldn't tolerate it🙏
Your previous God is everywhere, right? Well he's been in the room during every gay act since Roman times when EVERYONE WAS BISEXUAL. Get over yourself.
Now if you're referring to a child, that's a different thing. Destroy them all.
Absolutely. Pedos are the worst, most evil people right up there with people like Mengele or Hitler. Like those crimes against humanity, they are totally evil, probably demonic possessed. Shocking. If they feel tendency to go and have sex with kids , they need their genitals removed.
Real women wouldn’t tolerate it either
@@Molly_and_pops real cats and dog wouldn't either
Any half decent human being wouldn't tolerate that kind of shite,end of
My grandad comes from that part of the village back in the day and he says the same thing - they were not hero’s they were animals and everyone hated them
What village is that exactly?
@@newy8672 village is old slag for London ….. my family are from Bow Bethnal Green
@@dangoddard4780 respect ✊
@@newy8672 👊🤲
Of course they were gangsters!
Ronnie kray was a big nonse
Say that to his face
@@123macks I would if he was stil alive and i was next to him why do you like nonce's soft lad
@@123macks Do you have a shovel to spare?
@@123macks Got a Ouija board?
@@123macks 🤡
Supplied boys to politicians.
Lord Boothby was there connection with the Westminster pedos. He was more than Ron's lover they both enjoyed young lads.
Fact's
And still do 😢
That's why savile wasn't caught as he was protected by the royals and the huge ring he was a part of.
Jill dando was killed as she was going to expose a huge pedophile ring within the BBC Inc major singers like cliff Richard.
Supplied them to the Royal Family more like, the biggest noncers out!
Why do you think they all the politicians and judges going to their Gay parties!
And ALL the boarding schools too.!!!! They all know what happens in them dark sinister places because their fathers put them through it as did their fathers before them.
And that small boy was shaun Atwood 🤣🤣
Nah it were Ronnie Pickering
Shaun defo gives off sexual trauma during childhood vibes
Hahahahha this was funny
🤣🤣🤣
Hahahahaha too funny my man
Do not trust anyone with your kids. You dont know what their back ground is.
Seriously how can you go through life thinking like that
@@tommy2guns220 yes I can
@@tommy2guns220 nonce
@@tommy2guns220, very easily, I’ve went through my whole life not trusting people, people who are gullible enough to trust are the people stupid enough to get themselves robbed, killed, injured, you name it.
You do realise that this isn’t nowadays and that it is in reference to Ronnie Kray. Who was a bisexual gangster in the 50s and 60s, right??
People treated the Krays as heroes. I just can't understand that.
2 morons . Not even Mafia way minded. Those require brains for upper echallons . Thugs like Krays may be just somewhere at very low level . And not for long :))Actually Mafia did not want to have anything 2 do with them when the brothers went to USA . They were really nothing .
Same mentality that Hitler had over the whole of the German public. It's a strange thing isn't it what a bit of bullshit and fear can do to a mass of people. Still rife in the world as demonstrated by Putin and his fat mate in North Korea
Fuck me!
I swear I’ve never met anybody, from East London, from 8 months old to 80 years old who didn’t ‘know’ the Krays.
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
@@spanishpeaches2930 the only thing that got ‘beat’ was his arse hole 🕳️ from the krays 😂😂😂
@@spanishpeaches2930 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@spanishpeaches2930 I'm sure it is 😂😂
This guy is ex vice squad John wedger and he go's after nonceys and sra enthusiasts horrible C#$TS the krays were both wrong-uns qnd not in glamorous gangster way friends with pedo lord Boothby.
Jon Wedger a true hero more balls than anyone this guy is a monster hunter
He is a fraud,and never exposed nobody
He's a wrongen and a liar.
He's a wrongen
@@Tam.McGrawhow is he, look at the guys eyes? He's a good soul
Yeh,this guys a genuine good man
Man looks like that statue of art attack hahaha also they got chased outta Newcastle way back when
It's a made up story. They must of been chased out of every town in the UK
thats all bolocks was proven to be a lie
Blimey! Damon Albarn has let himself go a bit.
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😂
What happened?
Should give up on his pork life, get some exercise
Ronnie would of folded him up like a pretzel 😂
Krays apparently slept with each other they were sickos
Fun fact - Once upon a time, everybody's mum lived next door to the krays.
There are worst stories than this. Towards the end, It is alleged that boys were being snatched off the street. I was 4 years old and grew up in Bow, 1969 and my family were terrified of this happening to me and brother. We weren’t allowed to play outside our block of flats because of it, for years.
my nanna used to tell us it was the bogey man peeping through the Letter box....I was only 17!!! fcking terrified us.
@@petermcdonugh8426 You we’re right to be scared Peter. I heard some horror stories later that confirmed the worst of it.
Wot year were they put away then?
From the establishment like Houses of Parliament etc cos of the links to Jimmy Saville and the multiple pedo rings or you mean specifically the Krays? I’m sorry you went through life like that.
@@theendofmytether398 1969
They were the most unsuccessful london gangsters
They knew people in high positions of power thats why they were able to do these things so freely
They procured children for the rich and famous, political elites. Boothby was a fucking nonce. There are files on the Krays that can't be opened for so many years because of this.
Both the krays main income was from procuring kids for celebs
How you know mate?
@@andrewtowell6074 everyone knows and when the media get round to telling people the truth the Kray money train will be over for everyone…no more books no more films no more old cockneys talking shit in documentaries about how they knew the krays .. it time this shit show was stopped, cliff Richard too
Sounds like you know exactly what went down!. Disgusting.
Bollocks.
wtf are u talking about XD
Shower....not a bath it's early 60
No One Seems To Talk about The Richardsons The Real Gs.
Charlie Richardson? he was a real hard man, and at least he wasn't a nonce as far as I know.. I read his book years back, was a great read.. some stories them boys had back in the day 👍🏼
@@Ken_Dalton Theres a Movie Called Charlie!!! You Can find it on YTube, Frankie Fraser Was Part of Their Firm And Yes No Noncing.
@@Ken_Dalton he grassed mcvicar up for the escape when he went without him
@@Ken_Daltonhis book? All bollox
Now mcvicar was nice.
Sat in pub wirh me gun tucked down me pants, as you do 😂😂
Legend was a great film for not glorifying the Kray’s but I hate this fuckin new age love for them. No research on the twats and you’ll think they were boy scouts but instead they were handing out boy scouts. it’s a weird culture the internet and media presents us with now.
Well said
@@MichaelWatson-xj3zb Yeah I also let a fart out when the geezer's are on the internet holding their Albert's in their hand dissing the Krays now their gone , yeah big and brave!
They’re counter culture, 2 gay anti racist twin gangsters
@@jimmyc974 i don’t think i’m “brave” for saying it; im objectively stating it’s weird to talk about kid diddlers in a positive light you spaz
So many 'gangsters' in the comments. 😂
We all knew what the Gay twins were up to ...
Never herd that one mate love it 💪
Martin kemp's a nice bloke leave him and gary alone....
And Bethnal Green turned out in their thousands to show respect to nonces who they’d glamourised over the years, it was sickening & I see those people for what they are now.
Whistle blower! I like this bloke! Looking out for children 🙏🏼
The kid would be about 50/60 now
He talks a lot about abuse victims , but i've seen plenty of his interviews and he has never blown the whistle on anyone , anyone who is alive anyway ,he may mention a few dead nonces names, but not one single name mentioned of the abusers who are still out there , also a good mate of Bill Maloney who is full of shit
The children already got "traumatised" what hes saying now makes no difference
@@JackTheStrippa you obviously don’t watch his channel! He’s been shaming corruption and is doing a good job of it!!
Looking out for children by begging money for himself 😂.
People got too comfortable telling stories on these podcasts everyone has got something to say nowadays
It's well documented and has been known for years.
If your going to refute someone else's statement you should maybe have something with a bit more substance to say considering the subject matter.
Not as if Ronnie had left himself the best reputation anyway was it and he can’t exactly do anything now 🤣
@@cym2605 thats the exact point.
These guys only feel safe to say it after the fact
@@prodbybabygod7411 that doesn't mean they haven't truth to them though.
@@prodbybabygod7411 the blokes ex police. If you don't know who he is you want to check out his life story. The guy ain't scared.
He's not a fan and yet he loves telling stories of the kray twins and getting paid for the interview
TBF just because he's not a fan doesn't mean that he can't tell stories about them. On that logic, nobody can ever relay stories about other people unless they are a fan.
Agree with that son
Don't believe it , you don't get many kids walking into pubs. Just someone trying to big themselves up .
wtf did this guy even just say. I understood like 40% of that
I am a storyteller and my stories must be told....
Wots wrong with that ?
😅 loved that show
@@pwise8280 used to love it as a kid. Lol
In England I am John
I see some of you got it. Lol
They were Both Bent as a Nine Bob Note!! Worst kept "Secret" in England,ffs!!😂😂😂
The Krays tried to take over Newcastle (upon tyne) they were chased out and that's a fact!
They also tried taking over Manchester and Salford and they didn't even make it off train platform. The Q.S.G were waiting and kicked the living shit out of them and so called gang.
I think you'll find that was Liverpool.
@@bluepeter7612 probably happened at both, Panda Anderson and his mob apparently wouldn't let them, so the Gangland legend says bud.
That means nothing, would have been the same story had ant and dec or whatever runs Newcastle tried it on in London.
Same in Birmingham
I bet he wouldn’t put Charlie or Eddie Richardson on his knee !!!!
No-one was there... Leave it in the past! Because in their prime this fella would have got his mrs to awnser the front door when they sent someone knocking!
You’re right. Never speak about a peadophile unless you’re a lot harder and can beat him up.
Other than that exception we should all keep quiet about peado’s.
Good thinking pal. You must be in mensa or something?
Shut
Ronnie was a wrong un like this ex cop
He was a bouncer at mother care
🤣🤣 he used to help the kiddies try shoes on too if I remember rightly
You were boy on his knee.
🤣😂🤣
You wish you were boy on his knee 😅
Oj
Stop fantasising ya wrong 'un.
Watched the full podcast and it was brilliant.
Lauding these guys as anything but trash is crazy.
A lot better to say these thing while they are alive
Legend has it that the plankster was Dave courtney
No he was the kid that got bummed
Ronnie was always gentle 😂
Common knowledge what Ron was like with the young vulnerable lads, noncing them up
Ronnie and reggie farted on connie whiteheads face once
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Best comment here
Just spat my coffee out my nose reading that 🤣🤣👌🏻
He said this bloke said he said then this guy said - shut up.
Hearsay on top of hearsay
i said him ? he said you ? i said what ?
He's ex soho vice squad not some bellend down the pub if you are shocked by this you should see what he says about David Jason it will make you lose hope in humanity if you can find it it's difficult to find online but there is some information if look in the right place 😉.
@@matthewhaywood247If it's hard to find can't you just tell us? You mean Del Boy? wouldn't surprise me, BBC is a hub for pedos, perverts and rich weirdo leftie out of touch fk heads.
LOL 😂
easiest thing in the world is to start and win a fight with a dead man.
And they were lovely to the neighbours too
Too bad most ppl in the UK that follow Islam don't have this same thought about Muhammad and his wife, Aisha..
This bloke up the pub....yea yea.
It was well known!
This was rife back then. My dad had a relative of the Krays working for him and had to sack him, nothing happened lol. But his boss who was on the board, used to parade his "nephew" around the office. He wasn't his nephew obviously and it ended up in the papers later. This was a major British institutional company and still today a national household name company.
2 young male singers were known to the krays, one ended up chopped up in a suitcase and the other one? I don't want to say his name because years later he took out all these super injunctions to protect himself 😮
Its the Internet lmao no one is coming after you you mean fk all to no one
Cliff Richard?
@@tonywhitby8602 I'm not a fan of meat loaf but one of his songs springs to mind 😁
@@tonywhitby8602
I believe so.
Because there’s conflicting reports that women and children actually felt safe when the Krays were around because they instilled fear for ppl not to mess with innocent ppl who were not involved in the gang life
Showers were popular back then were they.
Don’t think they was invented mate
Sable barnet works well with the lavender woolly pully.
only if you're a cream puff
This guy looks like head off art attack.
Wonder if tom Hardy regrets playing the role
I can’t take this guy serious
Looking at the creative side of your brain makin it up
Yet so many people still idolise them. Strange world.
My friends Dad was in the blind beggar back in the 60s. I'm 51. George Jones was his name. He's passed away now but what a character lol. He had two sofa refurbishment shops. One on the Roman Rd and one on Leytonstone High st called "Sitting Suite" He was having a drink with his now ex wife when Reg walked up and starting chatting Marion up knowing, she was with George. George knew who he was but George don't care. He walked up to Reg and warned him. They had a tate ar tate and George put Reg on his arse! Before George knew he'd done him he was put face down on the bar with a gun to his head. Reg said let him go as it was Reg's fault. For about 3 months after Ron n Reg were showering George with gifts for him and his Mum, trying to recruit him on the firm lol. George said that life weren't for him so they helped him start the sofa business.
That's how DFS started ! 😅
The old fella recovered my mum's old suite. We lived down the road from the Krays. My old man never had a good word about the twins. He witnessed them collecting protection money from the pub guvnor's. He knew Ronnie was a nonce.
Dont think he would of pulled a gun on the krays,and lived to tell the tail.so does lose the story's credibility a touch.but weren't nice people what notorious gangster killers would be ?
Why not? The Krays were one of many 'firms' all over London. If the guy with the gun was connected to another firm it would be best to let it slide.
Why not? You saw a movie and thought they were untouchable right?
Tell me you know nothing of the real world without telling me
Can't believe anything that comes out of his mouth
If this guy is a gangster, I’m the king of England. People use that gangster word to easy these days.
Ex Cop
@Samantha Parmley your like a pig that doesn’t fly straight. Watch ur tone.
Says the guy calling himself tony montana 🤡
Ronnie Kray was a raving iron !
Yeah he supported West ham 😂
@@justin2897 football is chavs watching young lads run around in their little shorts playing games, all football fans are Ronnie krays
Why’s my man look like the head that talked on Art Attack back late 90s early 00s 😂
My grandfather, a cockney, carried a Webley back in the day. They emigrated to Australia when shit started going down, and my uncles wanted to join a certain gang.
He said she said. That's all I'm getting from this
An old east end guy sat in a pub pulled a gun on Ronnie kray?
He was old when he told him the story
@@FULLYCOYS I'm just skeptical he lived to tell the tale.
Yeah…it’s a lie
They weren't as powerful as books and films made them out to be. Of course other dangerous blokes weren't scared of them.
I will file this under "things that might not have happened"
Freddie Foreman was the real godfather back then
Ah that good old I was in a pub story very reliable 🤣🤣
Of course he did........🙄
Jon Wedger has very real problems with the truth, he wouldn't know it if it smacked him in the teeth. The grift is long and lurid with Wedger.
What he said is well documented, you're in denial mate.
@@rich9697 Things being documented does not make them true.
NORMAL COP DOESNÞ KNOW THE TRUTH . TRUTH DOES WHERE THE MONEY TELLS IT
So after they stabbed me I said " Et tu Brute?"
I cant find it, but i saw a British gangster movie once called "Richard" i think. He started by selling scrap after WW2, i beleive he was competition to the Krays. It was an awesome movie, alot better than the Twins movie, and i like Tom Hardy. If you like British gangster movies look it up, really good. Enjoy.
It's called "Charlie" about Charles Richardson
Was Richard Richardson the 3rd brother?.😂
One was bisexual, the other homosexual, but both were Jewish
put the crack pipe down
@@santinoalfredo390 pick a book up
@@podsaveengland take your knickers off
And that is the exact reason why I got rid of all my cray brothers Artefacts & shirts I don't care how cool or tough they were But touching a child like that inappropriately is Vile & disgusting We call them rock spiders In Australia not sure what u call them in England But it doesn't get any worse than that whoever the gangster was that threaten to kill Ronnie hes the champion He's the real bad arse
What if he's lying?
@Niki OK that's a fair point I have heard a couple of gangsters over the years say basically the same thing so I'm just going to err on the side of caution, I would really love to think that it was not true
@Davey James That's true I could be gullible or even mistaken but I have heard over the years a couple of different gangsters basically say the same thing
@@dwalrus7219 but he was a predator though
@Davey James point taken cheers
I've heard that before....I believe it to be true.
Moon face 😂
Yeah that Dave Courtney is same
Why even waste your breath
@@kojomack2512 Ur mean fingertips
@@davidstratton4586 Dave Courtney a n0nce?
Did they have showers 🚿 in those days tho?
OMG!!! Unbelievable
Could of been Albert Reading who pulled the gun
The grass Reading?
Tonight on Things That Never Happened...
Hay rog! He'd like to give it to you!
Love a good old fashioned name dropper
WELDONE TO THIS MAN FOR SAYING THE TRUTH.
That wedger is a creep
Don’t believe anything that comes out this guy’s mouth
Why?
Just realised this was the bloke who was sat in the back of the van after the diamond robbery in snatch
Miss you John I missed you when u walked along my canal in Bath let me know when your ever around my neck of the woods 😁
You own a canal?.
Don't believe that because ronnie would have killed the guy
He looks like Mr bean 😂😂
Jay from Inbetweeners
A lot of hero worshipping nonsense. And also, this guy acting like he knows something when he knows nothing at all. 🤦♂️😂
Old east end guy just happened to have a gun in an east london pub as you do.
I lie about certain situations too
You’ll post my bs too? 😅
Gormless
You spray his hair black and youd think he was 19