Fans Vs Disney Star Wars: The Current State Of Things
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- čas přidán 29. 05. 2018
- Solo has under-performed, the fans have been split since The Last Jedi, and people wonder why. Here are my thoughts and observations as to how and why Star Wars fans are unhappy, and calling for change.
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Some clarification for the part where I said "...I always felt Star Wars was pretty agnostic when it came to social issues".
I was not saying Star Wars never used world issues or events as inspiration for its story telling, (Nazis, Vietnam, etc), but illustrating there is a difference between using events of the past to inspire your storytelling art, and using your storytelling art to inspire change in your present day.
It seems in the past, if you wanted to see Star Wars as simply the fun space adventure, you could. If you wanted to see allegory you could, but I always felt the delivery was crafted through a looking glass of the past, not a magnifying glass of the present.
Granted the execution and reception of current Star Wars politics and past Star Wars politics might have more to do with social media, but that's another conversation. I wish I had gone into more detail about this in particular, and "agnostic" isn't the word I should have used in hindsight, but you can't edit a video post upload, but thank goodness for the ability to pin a comment.
Jeremy Jahns that's very true. I haven't heard anyone compare it that way but I think it explains why so many are rallying against the new movies.
LEarn how to speak in complete sentences without editing, you moron!
Very well said. So far I think Rogue One has done the best job with retaining the fun spirit of Star Wars, while having serious themes.
It didn't revel in on-the-nose twitter fueled snark or subverting fan expectations in a reactionary way. TLJ was flagrant in that regard. Was it surprising? Sure. But the shock of surprise wears off fast.
Nearly every choice made for the sake of unpredictability and "killing the past" resulted in a story that is no longer interesting or intriguing. No one I know cares about how the trilogy will end any more... and that can't be good for business.
Well said Jeremy. This video has given me a newfound respect for you
*T H I S*
'This is gonna piss off half of you.'
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Rex Longfellow I see what you did ;)
Haha
👌
This does put a smile on my face. I hope they remember you.
Thanos? Is that you?
I move for a vote of No Confidence in Kathleen Kennedy’s leadership
Chris yep
We need Palpatine to fix this mess.
Kathleen Kennedy: "I AM THE SENATE"
A single vote of no confidence? Oh man if I know my prequels she is F*CKED!!!! XP
Well said..👏👏
The Last Jedi made me appreciate the Prequels....more
For me, nope. They still suck. But now they've got to dig to reach for the bottom (the sequels).
I’ve always loved the prequels, they’re the best era. The sequels aren’t even cannon George (the creator of Star Wars) had nothing to do with them.
tyler norton where the hell are you getting your sources from 😂
@tyler norton have a look at the fan reviews on rt its shite the movie is horrible
I've always loved the Prequels
I think it safe to say that Disney is mishandling Star Wars, not just in the cinematic department, but in other things as well!
Like - What are the 2 things that Disney made with SW video games after acquiring the franchise?
1) Shutting down Lucas Arts.
2) Giving the license for future SW games to EA - One of the most corrupt and hated companies in the gaming industry!
Honestly, letting EA handle the games is like the biggest crime Disney could've done to Star Wars.
There is a group of elite people hell bent on destroying the USA, and every memory of her. The Disney corp is just doing what their bosses want, which is to destroy one of the biggest American made franchises, and that is Star Wars and Lucas Films. Their next step is to destroy American made Marvel comics. And, Disney is throwing everything they can to destroy Time Warner in hopes to get DC and destroy those American properties as well.
They mishandle *almost everything they have made!* Look at Hercules!
Exactly
Yur, fucking killed star wars games.
The Originals: Great concepts, great execution
The Prequels: Great concepts, the execution could have been much better
Disney's Sequels: Horrible concepts, mediocre execution.
The prequels, all 3 of them, rank as the worse movies I have ever seen. Complete garbage, no redeeming qualities about any of them. The prequels are what ruined Star Wars for me. I'm not sure what 'great concept' you see in the prequels... I don't see it.
I'll have to disagree. I don't think there was any good concept there at all. And I hated the unnecessary connections to the original trilogy. I thought the prequels got worse with each one. Phantom Menace was absolutely terrible, then Attack of the Clones somehow managed to be even worse, then Revenge of the Sith managed to outdo them all and be the worse of all.
It is mind boggling to me, that anyone can find something redeemable in the prequels. To each his own, I guess. Cheers.
I don't know anyone who hated Revenge of the Sith. Most people I know herald it as a top 3 film in the franchise. I'm curious why you think its the worst.
It took me 4 tries to get through Revenge Of The Sith. Each time I had to stop watching because it was so uninteresting. You should watch Red Letter Media's reviews of the prequels. They also agree that each prequel was worse than the one before it. Cheers.
if nothing else it fleshed out the universe with some awesome lore
I really do feel bad for Jake Lloyd. Dude didn't deserve the hate. Folks were so blinded by their hate that they didn't realize that they were spouting profanity at a little kid.
3DSDF Honestly a greater tragedy than Darth Plagueis.
The toxicity of Star Wars fans is almost unrivalled.
which is why I don't like Star Wars fans.
NotDarth Maul
The DC fanbase is a close second too. Whether or not you like the films, we can at least agree that the hate Snyder and even Ayer has gotten is unreal and unwarranted. I’ve seen people say that they hope those don’t get another job in Hollywood. It’s like how folks still hate Schumacher for making Batman & Robin.
They are close too but at least that fanbase is mostly unified after JL in their dislike for that film. Episode IX will be a tipping point for either side of the Star Wars fanbase.
I could have excused Leia pulling a Mary Poppins through space. I could have excused that painfully long side-quest of Finn and Rose through the big mean capitalist utopia. I could have excused Rey being stupidly powerful for no discernible reason.
I could even have excused that travesty that was Admiral Gender-Studies *extremely unprofessional* attitude towards Poe, and the contrived plot of her not telling him the plan when all their lives *hinge on her plan*
But what I will *never* forgive. What I *refuse* to accept, is turning Luke Skywalker, the HOPE of the rebellion, the ETERNAL OPTIMIST, the BELIEVER IN REDEMPTION, that he just *pussies* out of the galaxy, and lets it go to shit after trying to *murder his nephew because he was having a bad dream*
The man who said this: "I cannot kill my own father. There is good in him."
Also was like this: "THE BOY IS HAVING BAD THOUGHTS, BETTER KILL HIM."
Akiraspin luke skywalker became a broken man. Somehow thats a nutty concept. Moral ambiguity exists, luke skywalker is not the pinnacle of absolute moral superiority.
SoyBoyLibtard224 it was in no way set up. Such a massive change in character must be justified. The film fails to adequately do this.
Hi! We're promoting you because your boss got seriously messed up, and really all of us could if you screw it up! Oh also, this is Po, he just lost our entire bomber fleet and was demoted by the last boss... he also wants to know everything we are up to right now.
"... well I'm not telling him shit, I'm gonna go focus on my plan without the demoted-fleet-loosing-guy." is what I would probably say as a dude too...
Akiraspin It was a instant reaction to seeing the dark side in Ben but when he realized what he was doing was wrong the damage had been done it was to late. I also think it’s explores a vulnerable side of Luke a human side.
the88mph A bunch of shitty bombers, that were not so cleverly disguised as a reference to B-17s bombers, for a modern "fleet destroyer" which would have blown them out of the sky before the slow moving bombers could return to the ship and, in hindsight, saved their asses since the First Order tracked them.
I never thought I'd see the day where I don't see a Star Wars movie on the opening night. I still haven't seen Solo and have no excitement for the next episode.
Same here. And I grew up with SW, I saw every single movie in the theater since 1977. Now I've lost interest. Move along.
I saw Solo. In the end, almost ironically, it was fine. Won’t blame you for skipping it, though. It’s not a necessity.
Me too. never thought i would lack enthusiasm for a Star Wars movie. Bravo Disnney in killing the excitement.
Rogue one is the last good Star Wars movie I watched.
Pterotactical half the fandom probably feels the same as you
Kathleen Kennedy has to go.
"You may fire (her) when ready" - Wilhuff Tarkin
Yes, she is ruining good products.💯💯💯💯💯
Execute order 66
@tyler norton this may be true with how much more stuff cost like for instance it used to be a couple bucks to go see a movie now its pushing damn near 20 dollars a ticket and kennedy flat out made it known she dont care about the fan basis comparing the take in from now to then is comparing apples to oranges. If you took the OT and threw it in theatres now it would rake in just as much cash and we wouldnt be fed the agenda bullshit.
tyler norton based off the following of an already legit franchise and the expectation of more epic ness that George introduced to us... she made money off a system already in place ...and now has bad reviews...
I'm crying from laughter!
"But we took risks."
"F*cking your friend's wife is a risk too, but it doesn't make it a good one!"
Lmao that was epic
I agree with 100% on everything you said.
i am remembering this, im gonna use it, probably gonna get flak for it, but its a risk im willing to take. :D
Also hitting on her to lmao.
"your wife's friend", not
"your friend's wife".
Although, you shouldn't f-k either )))
Whole family gave up after TLJ. No one bothered to see Solo, and no one's even taking off work for EP9.
Wow you were really optimistic. Star wars was over for me after tfa
About half way through TLJ I knew sw was over
Please do not even go to EP9. Boycott Star Wars and demand Kennedy’s resignation.
boycott please
I’m from the future, Episide 9 is bad
vik saggu Watching it tomorrow. Wish me luck. Wanna see how this bullshit ends...
K-LA-K i hope you like it because i didnt
Very bad
9 was way better than 7 and 8.
Elias Crooker all of them were disappointing
It isn't about the quality of the movies, the reason why solo tanked is because of the reaction of Lucasfilm to fans after The Last Jedi. They mocked and marginalized the criticism and incensed the fandom.
Classic case of biting the hand that feeds you
chris rucker Disagree. The Last Jedi was awful. The criticism is fair.
you might want to read that again. he was saying the reaction lucas film had to the (fair) criticism and reactions to TLJ was the problem, not that the fans criticism was unwarranted.
TLJ disappointed a lot of people and it definitely affected the number of people who went to see the next movie, even if it's unrelated.
You forget how bigger the mass market who don’t follow interviews and bts are compared to us. We are in minority. It has to do with Solo being place in May and not having Harrison Ford as Han Solo. Probably should of never done this movie since everyone wants Harrison Ford
chris rucker yep think it's backlash from TLJ. I actually enjoyed Solo a lot more. The SJW droid is tongue in cheek it doesn't bother me, the characters were much more true to classic form and didn't really feel a political agenda in it. The humour was better and I enjoyed the smaller scope of the story. Was just more fun
Fans: the senate will decide your fate
Kennedy: I am the senate
Sultan Fans: not yet
Nicholas Barsanti Kennedy: It’s treason then
UNLIMMMITED POWERRRRRR
Fans: The oppression of your feminist agenda will never return. You have lost!
*DISNEY FAN:* No! You must keep Kathleen Kennedy!*MACE:* She's de-canonized the Expanded Universe and silenced the fans! *SHE'S TOO DANGEROUS TO BE LEFT IN CHARGE OF LUCASFILM!*
Jar jar binks > rose
I would take rose any day over jar jar
Rose and Haldo are the 2 worst characters in Star Wars in my opinion
Agreed
@@colematthews8652 you are in luck then! There's plenty of Rose Ticos available pretty much everywhere for a fraction of the cost. You can even have one each week and still not run out for decades to come 😂
At least I'd fuk Jar Jar.
I believe we all should forgive GL for making the prequels.
At least, he was still trying to entertain us, not trying to fill our heads with BS.
@happosai27 I like episode 1 and episode 3.
@@mrfinch5246 I like the stuff with Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Jango Fett, the arena battle and the subsequent battle against Count Dooku in Episode 2.
Disney’s just trying to do the same thing, it’s not their fault you people are so contradictory and hard to understand.
Shadowkey392 no they are not! Their main focus is money and sjw propaganda
Crooks n brooks well for money it’s somewhat understandable. They spent 4 billion so they wanted to show investors that they’d be making that back easily and then some.
As for SJW, as what the video mentions, it’s noted there but it’s not tied to the plot and when I watch I just analyze the plot and see how choppy it is and the purpose of it. The plot for TLJ was poorly executed, but the plot for TFA was linear and understandable and left a decent cliff hanger that RJ threw out more or less.
No matter if you 100% agree with the message, no normal human being goes into a Star Wars movie hoping to see their politics represented.
Ironically, people take Star Wars more seriously than politics.
Chris Hansen and they didnt in the past movies until they started to shove it in peoples faces now to push an agenda that people are sick and tired of hearing 24 hours a day
Chris Hansen Women agenda.
damn you are one blind slave !
Darth Vanquish you realize that SW has always been about politics?
"Yeah, fucking your wife's friend is a risk, that doesn't make it good."
I laughed so hard
It sure as hell feels good though.
The Chiefs DAMNIT! I was going to say that 😂
You sound like you're speaking from experience....
I'm not even a fan, but God the storytelling and the character development in 7 and especially 8 was just completely nonexistent or off.
Yeah, I could somewhat stomach TFA, but TLJ was the last straw and where I drew the line!
Because you are such a clever writer that knows exactly what makes Star Wars or anything good... Who are you again ?
GEEKFOREVER
Lol that was a terrible response
@@alfa01spotivo Why? Why was that a terrible response? It's a pretty good question. If you're gonna criticize something then at least have some knowledge of said something.
Otherwise you're just blowing dust out of your ass.
@@mahchestro9144 This is like stating because I'm a professional illustrator no one who has at least a talent in drawn art should question my quality or have a right to value it. Better remember to tell that to all my clients who make very clear demands for me. . .
That is not how the world works. If I eat food, despite not exactly being a chef, am I not allowed to point out something is under-cooked, mouldy, or even the wrong order entirely?
The only way to improve is to take and evaluate criticism. It's a form of evolution. By all means take majority with a grain, but that doesn't mean people should shut up and accept The Last Jedi as some kind of masterpiece.
No means a big Star Wars fan, didn't even mind The Force Awakens. I did notice no training Rey maybe kicking too much ass. Or Light Sabers now just not being overly lethal like before. Luke also was just present to collect a paycheck. But I think any level of movie goer can tell The Last Jedi had problems. More so than Attack of the Clones.
The biggest mistake Star Wars made is ignoring the Extended Universe.. They literally have 100's of stories that they could pull from, ideas that they could utilise to build the franchise, but they do nothing with them. The MCU exists because of the comics, they cherry pick ideas they love and use them to fill out their own original ideas. Star Wars could do the same, but instead they don't have a clue what to do. They keep looking to the past films and it's just not satisfying.
ElricBro the EU was trash you know it
@@legotech101 The EU wasn't trash. I understand the complications in trying to reconcile all of it together into a cohesive and consistent narrative. But to say it was trash is ludicrous. They could have used the EU characters and history and brought that to life on the screen, in the same way as the MCU has done from the comics. That would have been amazing, especially the Timothy Zahn novels. The Jaina and Jacen story would have been 1000 times better than the hacked up mashed up frankenstein thing that is EPS VII - IX. And then as a big ole FU to the fandom they not only said nah, we are going somewhere "new", all those novels and comics you bought, all the merchandise involving EU properties...that's all fan fiction.
They fkd up big
If they kept it canon, they would not have had enough freedom to create new movies and believe it or not : MANY people aren't familiar with the expanded universe. The expanded universe must be a bonus and the movies must NOT depend on it.
The only movie that made that mistake was SOLO by putting MAUL in it and what did that lead to ? People getting confused on why is a guy that DIED in the previous movies still alive after all these years. Heck, even people who watched both Clone Wars and Rebels didn't understand how he got here.
Well if you read Marvel comics you would know the MCU overly retell those stories to fit the screen. And not always for the better, some are even weakened to spite the Fox counter part (Age of Ultron)
Take Homecoming for example, I don't recall Peter being a crying b+^%> relying on Tonys A.I. and even crying for his name. And that's not even going into how much the MCU has butchered Flash Thompson. A character the late and great Stan Lee loved creating character development for has resulted into "Parker Pe^%$"
The original trilogy was social justice commentary done right. How strong of a feminist message can you get when Slave Leia chokes her captor with the very chain she's bound to? Or when she takes matters into her own hands and starts gunning down storm troopers. Today's social justice is so superficial. It truly reflects the narcissism that underlies the current ideologies that plague this generation.
Funny thing is, they were just trying to get Carrie into that costume. They weren't even trying.
A "sexist" act ended up to being a strong anti-Slavery + Female empowerment scene
MegaAnitoon today's social justice also gives us blend characters like Ray who have no arc because she automatically the best at everything already
That's not Social Justice because Leia gets captured four times, and she gets objectified by Jabba putting her in a bikini.
Silly misogynistic Pig! The real strong female protagonist would never be captured she would just look at the evil worm what's-his-name and he would've killed himself.
Haven't you heard? The strength and drama comes from no challenge at all.
You don't have to try just be. Future generations will look at the posturing the way we look at using at sanitariums and Europeans who believed washing was bad for ur health. Silly cultural stuff with unpleasant consequences...
Kathleen lied to George. Liars are not cool!
Michael S she stabbed him in the back...a nice old man who was donating billions to charity..and she and Bob iger betrayed him
Michael S lol stop
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 What happened? Dont know what you are talking about.
Michael S damn have u never lied? 😂
There's a difference between the lies which dominate regular civilian life, @@godzilla101188 ... and the lies which are corporate America.
Lucas HATED the corporate structure of film making ... and then he was betrayed by one of his own, Kathy Kennedy, all in the name of: the God Almighty Disney dollar & Democrat ideology.
I wish we never got a new SW trilogy. I remember being a kid and thinking about what the origonal heroes were doing after Return of the Jedi. I'm also sad that all those comics are not cannon anymore...
They still exist. If fandoms are good at anything, it's creating their own fanon or accepting fanon. Choose what you love, be it canon or not.
Yeah my head canon is all I care about
@@zachanikwano Agreed. I just cherry-pick what I love, and have done so for years. Dark Empire is as much trash to me as the Sequel Trilogy, so I ignored it. I just ignore the ST and have no plans to ever watch it again (or anything related to it).
Timothy zahns episode 7-9 books are my head canon
The irony is...
Disney = the empire
Fans = the rebellion
TLJ = the death star
Fan service = Alderaan :-P
Nope, no:
Disney = the farmer
Fans= the sheep
Deadpool 2= the wolf
But the fans caused George to sell Star Wars.
disney is feminism, sjw, political correctness, and poor writing. From time to time also bad acting.
This is why I hate fans. Rebels scum
While flawed, I liked the prequels for the fact that they expanded (in film) what was mostly a small galaxy into an expansive universe
Same.
I loved Clone Wars, but wasn't interested too much on THE Clone Wars, or Rebels. I got too watch all clone Wars episodes before Ep III was released.
Josh Margolis same here, they expanded on so much lore and backstory, not to mention the comics and video games and tv shows etc. that they spawned.
Um, no. The prequels were badly written, poorly paced and recycled stuff over and over ... like poetry.
cruizerdave you can't tell me something I haven't already heard about why the prequels suck. I honestly don't care anymore
The prequels were bad but I will give it this, it allowed the expanded universe to be birthed. The Old Republic Era came into existence because of the prequels which it has my respect.
Dude Jeremy because of THIS - 5:53-6:25 - I just subbed. Myself also guilty as charged. Thx for your honesty , humility, and self awareness.
Didn't get to see an ultra-powerful Luke. Been waiting for years and years to see that. Go to hell, Disney.
I don't really think we needed an overpowed luke I think what we got was good just my opinion tho
He Force projected himself across the Galaxy, you blind doofus. "Waaaah! My theories didn't come true! Waaaah!!!!"
Yeah, he only made the most impressive use of the force we've ever seen. By far.
So the movie is bad because you didn't got what you wanted ? You know that Star Wars doesn't belong to you ? I didn't expect Luke to become such a grumpy and pessimistic guy... But WOW that takes balls to make him the way they did and it takes brains to do it as GOOD as they did.
@@pandamera1 I know, right ?
Han Solo, after the original films, lived a life of failure. Failed as a father, husband and eventually as a smuggler. Killed by his son that he loved. A sad death.
Luke, failed as a teacher, Jedi, uncle, and brother. Indirectly responsible or the death of billions. Succeeded only in the end saving maybe 20 people?
Leía failed as a politician, general, and mother. And any success she has in the next film will be off screen. And a failed promise as a character with the force.
The characters that we the fans loved all failed. And have symbolic at best success in the films.
I don’t understand how they could do this and not alienate some fans. Doesn’t mean there is any right disrespectful to the folks who make these movies. But I believe that is a root of all the anger. The sadness that we feel to how these characters were treated has hardened to anger. I’m just bummed. Wish I like this direction, but I don’t. Wish the folks at Lucas well. But this universe is not for me anymore.
Roberto Robert Maybe if people at Lucasfilm didn't turn around and insult those disappointed by TLJ
Refraining from being insulting to you customers might have helped
Oh yeah it is truly depressing how they treated these legendary fantasy heroes that had a bit of tarnish but we’re still brightly gold. Now they’re all dead and as you said remembered as failures. I don’t need to see these movies anymore.
Kill the old beloved ones and make me not care about the new ones, this is basically the Disney Star Wars.
Roberto Robert didnt you guys watch the end of the last jedi? Did you only care about the characters feats or as you said their optimistic personality? Fucking grow up..you are all babies..a super vocal minority of trolls and man babies..all the complaints are bullshit
@ geo, "Fucking grow up..", were you trolling, or do you actually have so little self awareness as to cry like a baby while calling others babies?
Any franchise that adds too much overt SJW messaging inevitably falls in popularity. Not only does these conspicuous messages distract from the story, but alienate members of the audience( People are allowed to disagree and dislike SJW extremism without being racists and misogynists as evidenced by the abundant number of non white or male fans who dislike the Last Jedi). Perhaps Star Wars has long been beloved by so many since it has always maintained its character as a fun and thrilling adventure in an unknown galaxy populated by characters we cherish and enjoy.
OK I dislike Mara Jade she is a Mary Sue. There I said it.
@@evacody1249 Explain.
The issue with the sjw messages is that it immediately dates the movie. Most of the most recognizable movies of all time have themes and messages that are relevant to people of all ages, and tend to remain relevant decades later.
@@satireknight Hilariously, the messages were *anti-war* anti-capitalism. Disney's earliest cartoons were all for fighting in a war and killing Nazis. It's really weird that Disney put out a movie that was all about saying how bad they are.
Which part was SJW messaging?
Or are you just saying that because you saw a lady with Pink hair, a female jedi and an Asian actor?
Star Wars wasn't "agnostic" on social issues so much as, at least in the original trilogy, painted a picture of good vs evil. Something that's timeless. The new SW films, TLJ in particular, went all preachy on social issues of the day. Something that isn't timeless. I doubt it will age well.
it is badd from beggining so its silli to expect it age well ;)
Its hasn't aged well even 2 years from release
This right here is the right comment
Just speaking for myself, it started back in The Force Awakens, when Leia bypasses Chewbacca and goes to hug Rey upon their return. Just going to say it, that hurt to see. But, I thought, whatever. Fast forward to TLJ, the incredible buildup of Rey holding out Luke's lightsaber and he..what. Throws it over his shoulder?? Right there I *knew* Star Wars had gone in a new direction, one that I was not interested in traveling. No hate towards anyone but Lucasfilm does not get any more of my money. Like what you like - and I will do the same.
MrMike11233 for me it was when they killed off Han Solo in the most stupidest way possible, not in a epic sacrifice way but instead getting killed by his Annoying son ugh...
For me it was when I kept predicting what was going to happen scene after scene after scene in TFA, it was surreal, I couldn't believe what I was watching. I knew then that this Lucasfilm is creatively bankrupt, the following movies only reinforced that fact...
Rey and Leia knew each other for like 5 minutes...
AndJusticeforAll567 No she didn't at all. That was literally the first time they met.
Waited two whole years for an epic moment of him to toss it. That was a "WTF???" moment if I hadn't heard that it had happened. I was accusing folks of making the movie up. Seriously. Disney SW is an alternate timeline. EU and the OT is the real SW.
It's not the same as the prequels. George Lucas never called the fans racists, sexists or man babies.
Francis Donaghy exactly! !
Who said racists sexist or man babies
Francis Donaghy well once he did say basement dwellers. But that was for the backlash against Jar Jar but he attacked the audience and said they were racist or sexist. So you're right.
farrel mukhesh Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams, Freddie Prince Jr, Pablo Hidalgo, and a lot of people who are involved in Disney's Star Wars
I mean, if you're not any of those things, why would you be offended?
Let me say this.. It ALL started with the last fucking jedi. The prequels were not great, but atleast they successfully extended the universe and gave even more depth to characters we knew and loved. TLJ brought absolutly nothing to the table..
Yeah, although Attack of the Clones still sucks in my opinion.
Hate has been plaguing Star Wars since before the first movie came out in 1977 and it never left. None of this started with The Last Jedi. It just got renewed, and so the cycle of hatred exchanged members once again. You just happen to be a new recruit, called in because you don’t like what The Last Jedi did, in fact, bring to the table.
I dont care for people hating on Star Wars for whatever reasons. I just dont like bad movies.
And TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie ever made and critique is more than deserved.
Completly changing the formular and tone of Star Wars was just a bad idea, If you want to continue an existing Saga successfully.
It never even tried to continue the story and exchanged it for some cheap jokes. Thats not storytelling to me. Why even call it SW Episode 7,8,9 then
Cas ual I honestly have a hard time believing we saw the same movie, but you can go on hating the movie all you want; that’s fine with me. It doesn’t annoy me anywhere close to as much as the people who attack the actors and directors for making something they personally don’t like for months on end, insult anyone who actually enjoys the new content, and try to ruin Star Wars for everyone who doesn’t think it already ruined itself. Even if Star Wars isn’t for everyone anymore, it’s not right to tell people how to feel or bully actors off of social media for a piece of fiction.
People really shouldnt insult other people because of some fiction. But there still needs to be critique, especially for Rian Johnson.
Star Wars just has influenced too many lifes and became way too big to be handed to some random director who doesnt seem to understand the core.
Its like a million dollar chinese restaurant hired a new chefcook, whos capable of making some food, but has absolutely no knowledge about good asian food.
Of course longtime customers will complain If it doesnt tastes like good asian food anymore. Some people will complain in a gentle way and some wont, thats just human.
But maybe you should exchange your fucking cook If so many people are unsatisfied, instead of blaming the customers who just expected the brands old quality.
TLJ was total garbage !
It seems that Disney don't have a clue of what Star Wars is all about.
But the MCU franchise work very good, so ... Wtf
Is going on with Lucas film ?
The SJW, Kathleen Kennedy agenda ruined everything, then you have Ryan Johnson who destroy 80% of the S.W. universe.
Both should be fired !
Why? They didn't make the film and tbh, they act like that with a lot of movies they did make. Look at Hercules! Very inaccurate to the source material.
No, no, Disney clearly DOES have a clue. And a care. You wanna see what Star Wars REALLY looks like when the company in charge has neither a clue nor a care? Watch the Star Wars Holiday Special.
@@Shadowkey392 thank you!! People need to stop blaming Disney. They're just there for distribution
If Disney aren't paying attention to the fans, they mostly certainly are now. Thanks Jeremy for addressing this!
SKYMAN UNIVERSE I don't agree. They are stubborn and will not give in.
If they're stupid they'll stay in their little echo chamber and wonder why the biggest film franchise of all time is failing, and never know why because they just think they're right
I highly doubt that a single video will make them change anything.
Vincent Novotny how about losing hundreds of millions in profit? Because that just happened. And it degraded the Star Wars brand name just like TLJ did.
Disney and Lucasfilm are still getting a mixture of reactions. A lot of people seem to think the solution is an "origin story" about whatever character, but they're just setting themselves up for more disappointment. Oversaturating with separate storylines isn't the way. The saga trilogy was already mucked up anyway because of Carrie Fisher's real death and whacking the character of Han Solo in "The Force Awakens." Reminds me of Kathleen Kennedy's own words back when a fourth Jurassic Park movie was put on hold after Michael Crichton died, saying his death took the wind out of their sails and they weren't into it anymore (for a while, anyway).
The Last Jedi is if they made a new Middle Earth trilogy after Lord of the Rings where Aragorn turns out to be a POS king. He runs away to Moria because Gondor was a bad idea. A NEW Dark Lord, who is basically Sauron named "Bloke", suddenly shows up and is more powerful than Sauron. It goes unexplained where he was during LOTR. He ALSO sets his army up in Mordor with orcs that only look SLIGHTLY different. Instead of an unlikely hero like Frodo, who is great because of what he chooses to DO, we get a strong female character who is only great because of her magic powers. She kills Bloke in the 2nd movie of the trilogy, dethrones Aragorn, and does all this without struggle. But you only think that sounds dumb because you hate women.
gsimon123 you forgot when she beat gandalf in one on one combat then became a vala in middle earth cause reasons. I don't even wanna say what she did wit the ring hash tag female gollum.
Well she does magic better than Gandalf it's true. But she also shoots a bow better than Legolas, wields and axe better than Gimli, and can simply walk into Mordor. She did all of this without training I might add. It's also important to note SHE is the one to give advice to Gandalf about how he's been screwing up and how she's got to go save Middle Earth on her own without him now. That's how awesome of a character she is...
Be quiet don't give them any ideas...
I love the bad guy called "Bloke" lol
gsimon123
I can already see the dialogue from it now;
New Boromir: 'A man does simply walk into Mordor...'
*Strong Woman interrupts*
Strong Woman: 'lucky I'm not a man then!'
*pause for laughter*
3:16 CONFIRMED: Lando actually is in Episode 9!
John Striker And he’s going to die.
Cries ALOT!
*Lando is confirmed for Episode IX
Fans: “You’re going to kill him aren’t you?”
James Bancroft Lol, this didn't age well.
The last Jedi is the worst SW movie by far far.
The worst S(J)W movie by far far.
Personally I feel like you haven't seen Attack of the Clones in a while but you do you, man.
I hated Last Jedi more than any prequel ever, here I said it. I cant believe someone looked at that Rian Johnsons script and thought, yes, make this. He completely fucks numerous JJ Abrahms set ups and replaces all that mystery with completely inept story lines. Not to mention the movie just doesn;t feel like epic at all, it feels like generic SCI-FI pilot. Fuck that movie in the ass.
Its the worst movie ever.
Its done something which has eclipsed other films in terms of how badly it has effected a franchise
In all honesty, I concur. I began thinking of my reactions to the prequels and while I recognized flaws, I never outright disliked them. And for the record, I really enjoyed the Force Awakens. But the Last Jedi was just awful. It honestly really was. I find myself not even remotely interested in seeing the next movie, which is not a feeling I had with the prequels.
Jeremy I am glad that you are talking about it
Jonathan Green I'm curious as to why you care about what he does. We live in a world where people have computers in their pockets all day long. Is it really that hard to pop on CZcams when you get a notification and make a comment? Waste of a comment.
Jonathan Green he is everywhere means you're everywhere too
"let the past die, kill it if you have to"
"Oh, great, F you too"
Pretty much the best description of Disney v. the Fans I have ever heard.
true
oh the nihilism is strong with this movie
The person who said that is literally the villain in the movie. How stupid are you people? Are you just incapable of critical thought?
ibigrooster11
Yes, he is
What's the final theme for ep.9 I wonder..
I have never heard of company like LucasFilm who just tries to constantly point fingers and shift blame whenever they take a misstep. For God Sakes they should just acknowledge they may have made some mistakes and move on rather than continue digging the whole deeper and deeper. I firmly believe Solo would have performed far better if LucasFilm had behaved as a civil and responsible company in response to the TLJ backlash.
I have heard of companies that tried to shift the blame for their problems. They all went out of business. I don't think that it would happen to Lucasfilm considering their Disney backing, but I could see a major overhaul if they don't get their shit together.
I've seen this in the buisness industry several times. When high up managers can't accept accountability and blame it on others
You were the chosen one Disney! You were suppose to unite the fans not divide them! Bring balance to the franchise not leave it in darkness!
Disney has made life-long SW fans like me actually hate the new movies. I don´t even acknowledge them as canon in my mind. TLJ was the biggest punch on the face to a fanbase ever. I´m so glad that Solo is flopping, hope Kathleen is sacked off in the near future.
Guille I'm 20, been watching since I was 4 and then bam Disney ruined it for me
Guille Agreed
Even bigger punch in the face than Mass Effect 3's ending or Andromeda? (joke aside, I am genuinely curious; I haven't seen TLJ yet due to budget reasons)
"I think your heart's in the right place but your head's up your ass."
OOOOOOOH, SNAP! That's gotta be one of your best lines Jeremy!
Jeremy, maybe you should do a series where you take a movie you reviewed in the past and have completely changed your mind on. I would actually like to see your reasoning of why you made a change of opinion.
TLJ and Ruin Johnson killed everything.
@@pandamera1 I think both Disney and the fans killed star wars. It was the collateral damage of their war that really killed star wars.
And TFA
"Your heart is in the right place, but your head 's up your ass."
Pretty much all of the 2010s.
"Theyre treating the star wars movies like the marvel movies"
So like- LITERALLY- every disney franchise?
This is exactly what i said would happen
Star Wars was finished the moment they decided that Han, Luke and Leah were not going to share any scene together.
All people wanted to see was the band back together.
That's what people thought they were getting, and all they got was trash.
Exactly! Luke never saw Han at all, and he only saw Leia again at the very end of TLJ, but only as a Force Projection, and then he died! That's bullshit!
"Let the past die." "Oh great, f u too." Hahah AMEN!
Billy Ziggler and that’s why ‘fans’ hate these films.
Its hilarious that they hammered that, while the new trailer completely backtracks that message with hey LOOK at the past! We got Lando! We got Palpatine! Just laughable
@@ram76921 Well, yeah. Did *anyone* other than Kennedy and her goons realize it? I think JJ's doing what he can to fix it.
Me: "ah, good old nostalgia!"
Disney: "hol up while we kill that for you."
How you know TLJ destroyed it is that after force Awakens there was theories and hype for what was going to happen next. After TLJ we see none of it nobody cares because they killed the potential. Shame really
Maybe in your echo chamber
It sounds like you're basically saying that you don't like it because what you wanted to happen didn't, what you thought should happen didn't, or what you theorized didn't come true.
Michael Rodriguez
Given it has no basis in reality and the only real "evidence" boils down to "look at these people who agree with me", it sure as hell is
dont care that the theories wasnt true im just saying the hype for the movie was more intense hense the theories. There where mysteries now there are none really
Tons. Try a quick search.
Omg, I need to address the midichlorians issue. It doesn’t change anything about the Star Wars universe. The reason being, the closer you look at something the more detail you see.
A universe is infinite in every direction, including inwardly; that is why there is a quantum scale, it shows some of the building blocks to reality. The physics of the quantum scale are entirely different and weird, and I don’t see why it would be any different in Star Wars. In fact, I think it’s a natural explanation for some of the properties of the force.
Furthermore, if we had the technology to look even closer to quantum particles, I’m 100 percent certain we would discover even more because that’s how infinity has to work if our model of the universe is correct.
Midichlorians are a logical byproduct of the reality portrayed in Star Wars.
Being mad at that concept being introduced into the story is like being angry that you found out you’re made of atoms.
This such an educated answer. To be fair, I was just starting primary school when the Phantom Menace came out so I didn't understand the concept anyways, but I didn't think it was a bad creative decision at all. I just assumed he was taking some sort of blood test just to assess his genetics and health. Didn't really seem like a childhood destroying concept that the internet ranted on about years later
I love this video and must have watched it more than several times. As a star wars fan, I love your thoughts on the nuances and how the newer movies have really changed. Please do more comparative analysis videos or just more movies that are truly picked apart :) thank you, Jeremy.
The prequels regardless of their quality were still definitively STAR WARS films. They felt like Star Wars. And George Lucas's world building was still extraordinary.
Disney's Star Wars feel like they take place in someone's backyard. "Move the grill John, we've got to make room for the Starkiller base!"
Lucas' plan is working. He sold the franchise to Disney, knowing they'd fuck things up. And now the fans are turning on them and are rethinking their judgment on the prequels.
That evil bastard has done it.
I have been a Star Wars fan since 1977. I have seen every movie in theaters multiple times. I agree with most of this video except when he talks about the fan backlash for the prequels. Yeah, us older fans didn't like them as much as the OT, but we STILL WENT. All 3, opening night, multiple times. And whether you liked them or not, we were all Star Wars fans and we talked about our disagreements with the movies civilly, for the most part. This time, we are not going to see the movies anymore. And if you DARE express your "displeasure" with Disney's handling of the franchise, there is no civil discussion, it IMMEDIATELY turns into a screeming fit where I find out I'm a racist, sexist, bigot who isn't a real fan. Sometimes it's actual LFL employees who decide to insult me. That's nice.
LFL under Kathleen Kennedy's leadership has completely broken the fandom and harmed the brand. This cannot continue.
Loki Fults this post makes me shed a tear, because it is too true. I remember being excited about star wars, but the new films siphoned the excitement out and replaced it with divisiveness and the need to push an agenda at the cost of the writing. I was excited to see episode 7's premiere, because I grew up with star wars. Tho I wasn't born when the OT came out I watched it many times as a kid when it was on dvd with my dad (who actually did watch them when they first came out). It has a feeling of nostalgia, that is now unfortunately muddied, and all I have now is a bad taste in my mouth.
They were HORRIBLE FILMS...geezus...you 90's babies...Look, every damn prequel movie was a disappointment because the WAY in which Lucas illustrated his stories was done in a way that wasn't compatible with cinema....they would've been awesome cartoon, however....but they're live-action, so there's certain things you have to install to make it a worthwhile movie....that's why The Matrix did far better than The Phantom Menace, when those two films came out in 1999....
NIcholas Davis noone is arguing the QUALITY of the prequels, it's the fact that despite being bad they at least felt like Star Wars.
IT ALL WENT WRONG WHEN THEY CANCELLED THE CLONE WARS ☹️
sooooooooooooo true
they didn't cancel it. they told the story that they wanted to tell. and stopped because they didn't want the quality of the show to go down to make more money.
jared douglas no, they were shut down when Disney bought the rights. There’s half finished episodes and story boards for the next season that are on CZcams and on the internet.
the clone wars isn't very good anyway, like a ton of shit happening there really conflicts with the prequels
They didn’t cancel it, Cartoon Network didn’t want to give Disney the rights so but they can’t produce it because it’s Star Wars so it’s Cartoon Networks fault
Turn Rey into the villain. Drive Kilo insane and end the trilogy with her becoming Emperor and him fleeing into exile Yoda style. See you in ten to fifteen years for the next trilogy. Better luck next time.
Right, the only way to redeem her would be to actually turn her into a full blown psychopath.
Rogue one has been the only above-average Disney Star Wars movie
Solo might be a good movie. I’m open to that. But I don’t know because I’m refusing to go out and see it after the bullshit that was TLJ and, most importantly, the behavior of Kathleen Kennedy and company afterward. She insulted the fans that kept this franchise alive and made the purchase even desirable for Disney to begin with. I’m not giving them my money. I’m done. And I don’t even feel conflicted about it, because TLJ was actual shit. It ruined SW. So I don’t even have to worry that I’m missing anything of quality. Kathleen Kennedy managed to sink what should have been an unsinkable ship. She’s made wrong decision after wrong decision, and she refuses to even admit any of them. She’d rather fling shit at the people who she wants money from. And I know she literally said she doesn’t care or need male fans, but I’m a woman... so, joke is on her.
censor everything you’re missing out, it’s pretty damn good, can’t wait to see it again
Thats fair.
censor everything I cannot disagree with you. Kennedy's arrogance is astounding. I get wanting to garner a new audience, but chucking aside the older fans; the people who supported the franchise thick and thin, bought your merch, helped keep the franchise alive even after the PT. It's like a restaurant owner telling there loyal customers to piss off. It is poor business practice for the sake of an agenda. So yeah; I have no regrets not seeing Solo. If she does not want older fans like me to engage, cool. I'll spend my money elsewhere. Marvel's making great films, anime and manga have been captivating me.
Overall, I truly believe if LucasFilm just swallows some humble pie and admits that there were a group of fans taken aback by TLJ and the current direction and promised to change, I believe that would go a long way. There is only so long people will take being crapped upon before they move on.
I’m proper old school Star Wars. Totally agree with you. Yep not going after TLJ. Not taking my kids. Until they sort their crap out. this family and our money is staying clear
I never could have imagined not seeing a new Star Wars movie a few years ago but like you I don't even find myself being conflicted. Perhaps the poor to average reviews helped but I think I still would have ignored it on principle. Disney need to replace Kennedy with someone more like Keven Feige, someone who is passionate about their franchise and knows what direction they want to take it.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Couldn't be more spot on. I refuse to accept that what happened in TLJ was planned from the beginning of the new sequels. There is NO flow and cohesion while completely ruining mystery that fueled TFA. TLJ is also a poorly edited mess that jumps from mediocre story to awful stories.
To be fair, TFA wasn’t that good either. It was just a remash of ANH and ESB
Say what you will about the flow between TFA and TLJ, but I totally disagree about the editing of TLJ and calling it a mess. I think the cinematography is beautiful and a lot of the scenes really click with me. I was gripped for most of the movie too (even though the Canto Bight scene was a bit of a drag), so I don't think editing was a problem.
yeah but it followed the originals so you know it couldn't be that bad but TLJ was a huge mess with bad writing and poor execution
Disagree. Sure it wasn't super original but it was mostly good and enjoyable.
Dan Bosca- I felt the exact same way about the series finale of Samurai Jack! Almost word for word what you said! Only instead of Mediocre story, it jumped from an excellent amazing story to awful in just 2 eps!!
Jeremy, you should do another "State of Star Wars" video now that we're 3 weeks from Rise of Skywalker to discuss how to feeling about the franchise before your see the movie, then do a follow-up after you've had time to digest. Thinking that would be great content.
Here’s what happens
Nothing changed
When you’re guessing who the sequels are going to kill off next
Goodbye Chewbacca
Haha he lives in agony now
What Jeremy is suggesting and what Disney are doing is the difference between having a movie with a message and having a propaganda piece.
Scerttle propoganda? Where did you see that?
Angry Morty You know that one casino planet? Yeah, there.
Either have a movie with a message or a message with a movie. Disney is doing the latter.
Kinda like how having a political thing happen in comics or having a political character in comics is different than having a message of toxic masculinity and girls cant do no wrong message at your face. What I'm saying is Marvel is going propaganda route and calling it regular politics, which usually should be about both sides of an argument but not at marvel because that would make their heroes complex and well rounded.
Moonw1ng Shoehorned political messages, yeah. Propaganda? Not so much.
Me friend thought suicide squad was GOOD. The same person, my friend, who NEVER looks up reviews could point out the main fundamental flaws of The Last Jedi like the casino scene, Lea space flying, Rose saving NO ONE, the commander not telling people the plan, etc. If you can't fool someone that likes Suicide Squad into liking your movie, you've done something terribly wrong.
Starbursts
Hahahaha thats how you know its bad. But imo Squad is just a tad bit worse
well film is subjective... if they are more a DC fan, they may be predisposed to liking the suicide squad :) hehe
Your friend is like a reverse Armond White xd
I hate the story of this whole new trilogy. Where the hell did the first order come from? Did the rebelions victory in episode 6 mean nothing??
Here we are 30 years later and they decide that everything that happend in "The return of the Jedi" accomplished nothing....
Great writing, just great....
Lord Vader so it turns out the laughing motherfucker (palpatine) is STILL ALIVE
I still think this is your best video by far. I keep coming back to it. You hit so many nails on the head.
Solo bombed because:
76% of the audience didn't like "The Last Jedi" (according to Rotten Tomatos actual audience score, WITH the half star reviews INCLUDED, which RT drops from its scoring algorithm).
Then, when fans say, "hey, Disney, Lucasfilm, we don't like the hardline feminist and SJW propaganda film direction Kathleen Kennedy (head of Lucasfilm) is taking Star Wars, Kennedy, Rianne Johnson (director of TLJ...and Looper), and others start berating fans (aka customers) on social media.
Then, Disney doubles down with Solo, playing around with Lando's sexuality.
Combine this nonsense with Kennedy telling fans she can do whatever she wants with Star Wars because she's bringing in the big money and people will buy tickets regardless of how her personal agenda invades the film.
What results is fans, customers, keeping their wallets closed. Which brings me to another great Kathleen Kennedy quote, "I don't owe the fans anything. I owe something to the company I work for."
Well, with her mismanagement of the Star Wars franchise and mistreatment of "the company-she-works-for's" customers on social media, hopefully she won't work there much longer.
Another problem Disney needs to address, besides a Lucasfilm management change is they need to hire WRITERS to write the scripts and hire a director to...direct. With Kathleen Kennedy's corrosive meddling, writers could craft agenda and twitter free stories.
Thanks, Mr. Jahns for bringing this story of how Kathleen Kennedy is destroying Star Wars to a wider audience.
Tx240 it's so basic not to insult your customers and yet they'd rather do that than admit a mistake.
She destoryed them so much, the 3 before Solo all made a billion without the help of China much
Christopher Marabella I've seen posts from you in the comments 4 times now, and in each one it seems like you think you made a strong point. I'm here to inform you that you haven't, in fact most of the time they have absolutely nothing to do with the comment you replied to.
I'm quite annoyed that some reports conclude fans are simply suffering from too much star wars fatigue. We just celebrated star wars day and have a scheduled star wars celebration next year. I don't think that's a fatigue. In fact we can't stop talking about it right now. There is no fatigue. Just frustration.
I was never a huge Star Wars fan. I was a fan but not like how some people are. But when force awakens came out I was excited and overall it paid off I enjoyed it. When rogue one came out I was like neat. I watched it and enjoyed it. But when last Jedi came out I was excited and then.... not. It just felt like it wasn’t part of a trioligy and so much wrong. And then solo was announced and I couldn’t care less. I’m all Star Wars out. Add in the ball drop that has been the battlefront games as well and Star Wars is no longer the power house it was. The ball has been dropped to often now and with them pushing such social commentary into their films they don’t even feel like a fun sci fi flick anymore.
The Star Wars name alone isn’t enough to make these films powerhouses anymore.
The last jedi makes the force awakens pointless to watch now .
stevie b I agree. I can’t watch it now that I know how bad it gets in TLJ.
stevie b , yeah alot of people feel that way. Check out youtuber Jeremy.... not this Jeremy the Jeremy from Geeks and Gamer.
stevie b the last jedi also defeat the org. Trilogy. That great win for the Skywalkers turned out to be subversion.... Yay
stevie b TFA was shite as well. Just a hack attempt. Still Mary sued to oblivion and ruined the force. Fuck TFA
actually TFA is not that great either, its just a copy of eps.IV, and it kills Han Solo, WHY
it kills Luke's Jedi Academy, WHY
it reduced the story back to Rebel vs Empire, WHY
theres a lot of good Expanded Universe stories, why oh why Lucasart go down the TFA road....
KK has to go! go! go!
“How we win matters”
-Andrew Wiggin
Now we boycott Episode 9 and our training will be complete.
Yes your right
MiniatureMasterClass if episode 9 is by jj abrams i will go see it...want to see if he can save this train wreck...
@Smitty Mross If you give Disney money to watch Episode 9, help them you could, but you would destroy all for which we have fought and suffered.
Smitty Mross if he drops the nostalgia trips possibly
MiniatureMasterClass wow you deal in absolutes huh? Friggen sith :'D
No. I would not.
I trust abrams as a director.
And i know it's cheap but i like nostalgia :'D
Also the characters are different enough for me.
Maybe it's because here in Germany the sjw thing is not that huge as in ever devited America.
But i rly didnt rly notice the sjw thing in tlj.
I was angry about the plotholes and the waste of some characters.
Star Wars fans agree on 4 things that were generally good.
-The original trilogy
-The Clone Wars
-KOTOR 1 & 2
-The Thrawn Trilogy.
We can agree on some things.
CGI was trash. Animated Clone Wars was the best.
Animated CW was good, but a little too style over substance compared to the CGI show.
tom bob
The entire EU was amazing.
My only bad entries = episode 7, 8 and rebels.
Well.. Kotor 2 had it's problems because of being rushed but I generally agree with you. I did like some other EU books as well. How about a movie set in the kotor series? Yes please! Or better yet, Kotor 3!
I love this video, it's a palette cleanser. It feels like Disney and Star Wars fans were victims of catastrophic miscommunications. On paper, I think that Disney and Kathleen Kennedy (she's a figure head but whatever) assumed killing characters and was the best way to preserve them in reboot/remake Hollywood land and the preservation of the OG Star Wars universe meant that they couldn't use any familiar settings in the new movies. That's why Rey isn't a solo or Skywalker, those families are legends and they wanted to avoid it. I could go on but I don't think the majority of the mistakes are as diabolical as some people assume.
Star wars is a roaring dumpster fire now. It's just endless trash
Totally true and yet you couldn't have imagined how bad it would become...
There is some hope tho.
Battlefront 2 fixed itself, tho it sadly ended recently.
The Clone Wars finally wrapped up and it was great.
Fallen Order was pretty good.
Star Wars movies are finally taking a break for now.
Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga is coming out soon.
The Mandalorian is fucking incredible.
I think it's safe to be at the very least cautiously optimistic about Star Wars. Hopefully things get better from now on.
1) TLJ and the general direction of the franchise are hated by many fans. 2) KK is hated by many fans. 3) Avengers and DP2 are competing with it. 4) Memorial Day weekend in the US, people are having BBQs and chilling with family. 5) SW always does poorly in China. 6) Marketing for the film was poor, no hype, and many don't know about it. 7) Not Harrison Ford. 8) Not really a necessary story, no one wanted it and it doesn't connect to the current trilogy. 9) Movies are getting pricey.
10) Widely known production issues. 11) Very "meh" reviews. 12) Big weekend for sports, especially overseas (Champions League final last Saturday night, which is huge all around the world). 13) Last SW movie 5 months ago. Yes, Marvel is succeeding with 3 movies a year, but they have worked hard at building a franchise over 10 years that has rewarded fans. Lucasfilm have a bad relationship with a lot of the fandom currently.
Not a surprising flop.
Mark Hogan very well structured and correct statement. Was about to comment the same thing
KK?
Also people are still pissed over EAs bullshit from last year
@The NerdyDude referring to Kathleen Kennedy
I don't the majority of fans hated the last Jedi, I still think it's in the 70% who liked it and 30% didn't. The 30% is just louder
Thanks for saying this in an intelligent and approachable way. It is an issue, it does need to be talked about and it's far too easy for movie studios to try to paint everyone as racist / sexist / misogynist for not being wholly supportive and lovestruck by every character, joke and plot element. It doesn't help that there are a few muppets out there who do phrase their arguments in unpleasant ways making it easy for studios to cherry pick examples of bad reviewers.
For me, the original movies do feel disrespected. Characters have been neutered, killed off-screen, diluted, and assassinated to make way for political messages dressed up as characters. I've nothing against the idea of a female Jedi, I'd have *loved* to see a Mara Jade / Jedi Leia / Jaina Solo character in there, but Rey's come from nothing, and is effortlessly a better pilot than Han, and a better Jedi than Luke, and just doesn't feel like a real person. "The Force is Female" slogan is needlessly divisive.
They also feel rushed and like they're shrinking the universe (which apparently ONLY contains Star Destroyers, Death Stars, TIE Fighters Jedi, X-Wings and "Yo momma" jokes)
Five planets blown up in Episode 7. Zero response from the rest of the galaxy. 95% of the Rebellion wiped out in Episode 8. How are we at episode EIGHT and talking about a "spark" that'll ignite a flame? If you're reduced that much by episode 8, you're not a spark, you're a dying ember.
Hope Disney listens and weaves their politics naturally back into just being the subtext as opposed to being the ONLY message these movies put across.
Yep I'm aware and have seen some videos like that. My feed is *full* of it, and by this point, I'm a little tired of it.
WorldClassBullshitters has *26* Star Wars related videos on page ONE of his channel. Guess how many of them are positive.
If that's not milking the backlash, I dunno what is. :p
Jeremy's phrased it in an intelligent way that invites discussion and thought, and it's refreshing to see it summed up without the venom of some of the newer channels that have popped up, or being divided into a multi-part eight video series. :P
Couldn't have put it better myself. It really makes me appreciate the prequels though.
Great comment
Yeah. I love Star Wars, or I should say loved. Star Wars feels like a soulless product now. It lost it's heart.
It also feels a bit like being in a relationship with an abusive partner. After so many years of disappointment with the last truly good movie being Return of the Jedi I've finally had enough. Star Wars' spell over me is broken. Now I just don't care anymore.
They're only movies now. Before they felt as though they transcended being just a movie and were like some sort of social phenomenon.
Entrancement
Some very good points made and I agree, especially with your second point. After reading a lot of the expanded universe with some great character developments and adventures for the characters I loved in SW, it is difficult to adjust to the new Disney narrative where the characters have all failed and had their lives fall apart since the OT, only for them to return in the sequels as different characters who are only there to be killed off for the sake of adding drama. I never imagined watching ROTJ that that was the end of those characters' stories, only that is was an end of that chapter and the beginning of a new.
Dang watching Jeremy's latest video about star wars really shows how disappointed he came to be about this franchise.
I love how Jeremy takes the time to edit out his breaths in between sentences. It means I can watch what would normally be a 30 minute video... in 15 mins. Thanks mate!
Jeremy made some good points in the video!
Particularly enjoyed his point about being subtle with the political messaging. Alas, the Twitter-fueled SJW crowd has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face.
Fire stupid Kennedy!
not a sledgehammer to the face, that is one and done.... its more like the child who craves attention and trows a tantrum in the supermarket because their mom wont buy them their favorite cereal.
Max Davies **glances sidelong at modern Lucasfilm**
That's one hell of a tantrum...
Arwan Shrivastava He's quite fortunate not to be called Jar Jar Jahns
You know it's serious when Jeremy makes a 15 minute video
Jeremy .... this was a good video essay. I am a fan of many Movies and I’m also a fan of Star Wars. I’m the kid that was there in the beginning watching a new space film in 1977 ..... totally blown away! I may not have the same expectations as my present Star Wars fans but I am that strange fan that loves me some Star Wars! I guess I always will ! Jeremy I say this to you ....”keep up the good work”
I have been watching your channel for years now, and this is probably my favourite video of yours; great stuff. Got me thinking and even changing my perspective of things.
When you realize Disney is the Empire and CZcamsrs are the Rebels
haha
holy shit there was a metaphor there
Emkay
deamon incarnate You tried.
Nah CZcams is the Empire as well. Not the youtubers themselves, but CZcams as a corporation (which is exactly what is is now).
The main problem is that they keep on shoe horning identity politics into Star Wars and Kathleen Kennedy refuses to listen to fans. And JJ Abrahams, Ryan Johnson, and Kathleen Kennedy decides to attack the people who dislikes the Last Jedi besides taking responsibility that the Last Jedi isn't the perfect movie
exactly. Like the rebellion was sparked by a female black ginger?? L3 and Qi'ra save the day multiple times? L3 sounds like an "independent" strong female. LIke comeeee onnn
The rebellion was sparked by multiple cells, not just Enfys. L3 and Qi'ra hardly saved the day, and every other character was annoyed by L3 in the film
Let’s be honest here. The last Jedi was okay. It wasn’t bad. The plot line with Finn was bad and I was confused why the general didn’t let everyone in on the plan, but u would be lying if u said that the plot line and the relationship and dynamic that grew between Kyle Ren and Rey was bad. It was amazing. I feel like if Last Jedi focused more on that plot line it would have been amazing
Adrian J That's the only plot point that wasn't infuriating. Everything else was basically garbage.
JamRock Bless well I didn't say that I think the last Jedi is a good movie or a bad movie all I said is that Kathleen Kennedy, Ryan Johnson and JJ Abrahams are acting like the Last Jedi is a perfect movie
Can we get an update video from you on this situation now? Itd be interesting to get your opinion on it all now that ep 9 is closer and the fandom is still divided.
Standing ovation! I felt you showed both sides well while still giving your opinion and not backing down. Regardless od agreeing or disagreeing, (I agree) you gave an awesome presentation of both side eloquently. Thank you!
Thank you for making a video on this.
TFP Radgirl
you're welcome
Last jedi killed my enthusiasm.
MoarPower mine too
Same :/
Same here
Just watch The Expanse.
Its better than Star Wars.
I wouldn't go that far, but it certainly curbed mine.
This was the best video I’ve seen from you, I’ve been watching you for almost a decade and this has to take the cake
that conversation skit is the realest thing
"If you want Star Wars without social justice you've got the original trilogy"
Yep that's why I won't watch anymore Disney Star Wars movies.
Bjørn Halfhand you’ve also got the prequel trilogy and The Clone Wars.
And so many side stories to exlore in the legends. So many games that aren’t EA shite
John D. Yep. Lots of good Star Wars to enjoy. 6 movies and the fantastic CW.
XrosSpirit I've been re-reading the "tales of..." series. Really nostalgic. Might reinstall KOTR 1 & 2 too.
ummmm whats social justice about the new star wars man they're just pretending to be woke, theres no actual social commentary there
I didn't dislike The Last Jedi because I am a die-hard Star Wars fan and Rian Johnson totally crapped on the Star Wars lore, which he did. I hated The Last Jedi because as a movie, it was absolutely terrible. It had the worst writing and plot progression I have ever seen. The movie abandoned reason and logic in order to shoehorn the most forced plotline I have ever seen. It was just a horrible movie. That's why I hated it. And that, compounded with the fact that it's Star Wars, and Star Wars is supposed to be awesome, made it even worse.
This is exactly what I've been saying, it doesn't matter that it's Star Wars, it could have been any franchise, it was just a terrible movie. It was a High-school project movie with AAA special effects. I've literally watched a movie about a tire that roams the countryside exploding people's heads that had a better plot and did a better job of simply being a movie and not a badly stitched together mess of 20min clips with almost no ties to each other.
Rubber is 100x better than TLJ.
I agree. Dont consider myself a hardcore fan, enjoyed the world lore and found the original movies, enjoyable, but not fantastic film-making That said, The Last Jedi was an ATROCIOUS piece of cinematic SHIT Every other scene was a What Da Fuq moment for me They destroyed the well-established world lore, the timing was HORRIBLE, the film-makers seemed not to know the source material, or even what genre and type of film that they were even trying to make, and the dialogue was CRAP....NOTHING original was brought to the actual galaxy far, far storytelling, AT ALL.... TOTAL character assassination (in the case of Han Solo, BOTH figuratively and literally) performed on the original core characters of the Star Wars Saga...
But the side plot you're talking about made up about 20 minutes of the overall movie, are you basically saying that because of the small side plot not being too great (which I agree with) ruins the rest of what I believe is a good film? Overall to me the positives massively out way the negatives and this is my problem with TLJ critique because it seems to all focus only on very small parts of the films that people didn't like.
No, not just the Casino Royale nonsense. The entire movie was stupid effin scene followed by stupid effin scene.
You nailed it. Not a galaxy far far away. But a projection of now. Wow. I've watched hours of critiques but you expressed it perfectly.
Love your opinion, good to hear how you see this new generation, keep giving your thoughts. It is always appreciated.
Kathleen Kennedy needs to be fired.
Adventures by George FACTS
Out with Kennedy and in with Filoni
Adventures by George at with a gun
Put DAVE FILONI in charge of Star Wars! He is the Heir Apparent to George Lucas!
And I thought that Hack Snyder was a terrible producer, holy moly she is up there too.
Makes me sad to say this, but i'm glad we won't get another one for at least a year and a half.
a year and a half in not a prolonged period of time. it was 16 years between the originals and the prequels.
Mar10 i know, its just better than a year or 6 months.
Im actually just hoping for a brighter future for Star Wars /:
Lol that Ben solo impression; it killed me, but you had to.
The prequels had bad dialogue but it had amazing world building and passion. I dont get that feeling from the sequels
"A drunk behind the wheel." THANK YOU! That is the PERFECT analogy for RJ's direction of 'TLJ'.
Just like Josh Trank on Fant4stic.
Not true even if you did not like it rian jhonson still kinda had a vision for the last jedi
Cole Matthews yeh that’s what we wanted..someone who kinda had a vision lol
@@colematthews8652 so just partially drunk then 😂
@@colematthews8652 ‘kinda’ isn’t enough 💀💀
It's not a Disney problem it's a LucasFilms problem. Not even really a LucasFilms problem, it's a Kathleen Kennedy problem
Philtmnt Vil doesn’t really matter who’s to blame. Unless the movies improve i won’t watch them anymore.
It does matter, because if Kathleen Kennedy see's fans blaming Disney instead of her she's in the clear
To some extent but ultimately Lucasfilm is owned by the Walt Disney Company and if you're a Disney executive and you're not paying attention to what's going on with one of your company's biggest investments then you've got problems.
Lucas sold rights to Disney years ago so he doesn't have say anymore.
Lord CuckBucket yea, no shit. No one said they wanted a perfect movie...