Gunner Kennel Fails Rollover Crash Test Installed as Recommended by Manufacturer. You can find more info here: Gunner Kennel Video: Out of Tune With Reality. ismypetsafe.com...
Thanks for the upload, now I know to buy a gunner crate. If this is how hard a rival has to go in order to make them look bad, then they must be superb.
Actually, if you read my posts I am trying to inform consumers regarding the Truth About Safe Pet Travel. It is clear you have not read my posts. "Instead of believing beliefs, believe the facts"
Here is the data below plus a link to show you what happens to ANY Roth-Molded Cage in a genuine Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS-216) Rollover Test. czcams.com/video/33v173Y9BeU/video.html I also posted some links and information below that help you understand the Facts, Science and Engineering behind real Crash Safety Engineered products like ours verses the others who make this claim. ------------------------- NOTE: The Metal used in our Variocage is AST-A366 Steel which is Malleable by design for Biomechanics Engineering purposes. In simple terms, the metal used in all of our products is malleable so it will about energy and take it away form the dog verses reflecting that energy back in to the dog which can easily cause serious injury or worse. The metal will wrap around the dog's skeletal structure and absorb energy. This is crucial to avoid breaking the dogs bones and avoiding internal bleeding and hemorrhaging. In addition, the malleable steel is highly resistant to fracturing so it will NOT the metal does NOT become a lacerating, puncturing or penetrating object for the dog. Roto=Molded Cages have 8 Edges and 8 Corners that can fail on impact creating sharp edges and failing in a way that can allow the dog to be ejected or harmed in a very serious way. Automotiveknowledgeexperience. Our Crash Test Engineers deign Variocage to work in harmony with your vehicle's safety features. This includes the Crumple Zone which is CRITICAL to safety not just for your Dogs but for Human Occupants as well. beingused The other company made this video using a test they created that they believed they can pass comparing it to our cage being used the way we do NOT recommend ANY cage be installed or used n a Pickup Truck. We made our video in response showing what happens in a Real World Crash Test installed the way the other company ACTUALLY recommends using the cage. We consider this important information for Consumers in an effort to educate then n the Truth About Safe Pet Travel. Here is the other company’s Video that this video is on response to. czcams.com/video/JdKf-4h7EAA/video.html they ------------------------- I suggest you do the research and here are some links that will provide you with actual scientific data and facts regarding Real World Testing of our Products the way they can actually installed and used in your vehicle. For that reason I will post a reply separately that provides you with all as well as any others reading this with facts, data, information and scientific documentation that will prove data that is honest, true and accurate. Thank you. Rich
@@4x4northamerica97 actually, your posts continually deflect . You are testing the leading competitor in the bed of a truck and testing your product inside of an SUV.
We are laying out the Facts. Do you some genuine research. The claim that a cage is crash tested would lead one to think it is crash tested the way you can install it in a vehicle for all possible crash scenarios. Read the thread there is a wealth of information here in the thread about who is marketing honestly and how is not. Thank you.
I was considering the Variocage instead of the Gunner, but when I saw how blatantly biased the comparison videos were, I see somebody is just trying to sell the Vario, which makes me trust it less and confirms that I'm making the correct decision by purchasing the Gunner.
@@drugbuddy665 Not biased. Fact. Do you some genuine research. The claim that a cage is crash tested would lead one to think it is crash tested the way you can install it in a vehicle for all possible crash scenarios. Read the thread there is a wealth of information here in the thread about who is marketing honestly and how is not. Thank you.
This demonstrates a rollover accident with the Gunner Kennel installed as recommended by the manufacturer. This test duplicates a government standard for rollover crash testing. The fact is, molded cages like the Gunner are known to be weak and do not do so well when it comes to impacts on the edges and corners. So, the point is not which crate if any would would survive. The takeaway from this is that the manufacturer recommended using their crate in this manner which they claim is crash tested. You can sort out how you feel about that. I can say that this is an accurate and scientific demonstration of a rollover accident based on Government Standards for testing in rollover accidents. The only Dog Cage in the world that passes crash testing for front, rear and rollover impacts with BOTH Canine AND Human Occupants using Published Government Automotive Safety Standards is the MIM Safe Variocage.
I am not sure what "Hit Job" means. I agree that no cage on the market can pass this test when installed in a pickup truck during a rollover accident. All I can say is that this is the way this particular manufacturer recommends traveling with their crate. Installed in the back of a pickup truck. However, in a rollover accident the cage can be subject to exact forces shown in this demonstration. They claim it is "Crash Tested" and so did The Center For Pet Safety. The test methodology used for this testing was seriously flawed and you can read more about that here: What Makes a Crash Test Good ismypetsafe.com/entry/what-makes-a-crash-test-good Travel Crates - Pet Safety Theater ismypetsafe.com/entry/travel-crates-pet-safety-theater Pet Travel Crates Help ismypetsafe.com/entry/pet-travel-crates-help Travel Crate Follow Up - The Manufacturers ismypetsafe.com/entry/travel-crate-follow-up-the-manufacturers We feel that manufacturers should be held accountable when it comes to making claims about a cage being crash tested if it has not been properly evaluated for Front, Rear & Rollover Impacts using Published Government Automotive Safety Standards. It is OK if you do not understand this concept. I am just being clear about what this video is just for the record. We think manufacturers should be open and honest about the testing & safety of their products though full disclosure of the facts.
Johnathan - Not true. You are missing the point. This is a test showing how each cage performs when installed as recommended by the manufactures. This is also in response to a test done by Gunner that tested Variocage installed in a way we clearly do not recommend. So, we simply tested the Gunner Kennel the exact same way Gunner actually recommends installing and using their kennels. The point is, we only recommend our products they way they were actually crash tested. Clearly, you can interpret the rest for yourself.
We actually care about the safety of pets and their human companions. This is the main reason why we post things like this. We are big believers in promoting the Truth About Pet Safety. So to answer your question, Gunner sells their cage and claims on their home page that it is crash tested. However, if you go to our website and look or look at the links below, there are numerous documents and links from 3rd parties documenting how flawed the test methodology really is that testing agencies use in their evaluations. If you look at the analysis in this documentation, you will easily see how flawed the test methodology really is and how it is not at all reproducible in any real world application. The Gunner cage was tested using this flawed test methodology and was ONLY tested for a front collision using methods you cannot reproduce in your vehicle. Their crash test what appears to be at least Four (4) Ten-Thousand Pound (10,000 lb) Load Hooks mounted to a very thick steel sled using massive cargo straps holding the cage in place. I can assure you that no consumer vehicle could reproduce this setup in a Car, SUV or Pickup without major modifications to the vehicle right down to the frame. Without genuine Front, Rear and Rollover Crash Test using Test Methodology that Consumers can reproduce in their vehicle there is really no way for consumers to make an educated choice when it comes to the safety of their pets and their family. A lack of facts will leave Consumers unaware of the risks they are actually facing when using a safety rated product. ------------- CONSUMER EDUCATION To enlighten and inform you, we are providing several links and attached documents to this E-mail for your review. The web links and documents provide information that will help you educate customers about safe pet travel and our product line. For a quick overview, here are some links to just a few of our product and education videos. ------------- 4x4 North America, Inc. Video Library 4x4northamerica.com/video-archive/ ------------- We specifically recommend these two (2) videos: VARIOCAGE - Life Saving Engineering… Proven Real World Performance player.vimeo.com/video/171395668 VARIOCAGE - The Science of Pet Safety - Standard Dog Cages Fail In Common Crash Scenarios player.vimeo.com/video/171395676 ------------- Proven Performance Here is a brief overview of facts about our products and safe pet travel. Basically, our issues with “Safety Products Companies and Agencies” have to do with the fact that their test methodology is flawed and seems to designed to favor their test method verses any real world use or application. In other words, their test methods are not practical and cannot be reproduced or duplicated by any consumer. In fact, their test methods are strictly theoretical and often seem designed to achieve a specific outcome favorable to their products verses real safety and real testing for real world use and application. You can decide for yourself what this means and why they do this. For example, if you read the information on this page here... htps://4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/ … you can see that some manufacturers and testing agencies often make safety claims using flawed test methodology that cannot be reproduced in the real world. I say you this only so you understand that there are people out there that put marketing and the sale of their product over and above the Truth About Pet Safety. At 4x4 North America, we ONLY post the facts about our products. All of our facts are based on real scientific testing by 3rd parties and outside agencies. All of our testing is in compliance with with Government Safety Standards accepted Worldwide. All of our testing is done in compliance with how are products are actually used by the end user in a real world application. Our goal is to educate people and let them make their own informed choices about how they choose to travel with their pets. Here are a few verifiable and documented facts about our products which may help you determine the viability and honesty of the sources of information out there on the web. * MIM Safe manufactures over 350 Crash Tested products for people, dogs and cats that are meet Government Automotive Safety Standards Worldwide. * MIM Safe even manufactures a safety jumping gate for horse trials approved by the FÉDÉRATION EQUESTRE INTERNATIONALE. * MIM Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog cage in the WORLD tested and certified for front, rear and roll over impacts that protects BOTH human occupants and dogs. * Our partners, MIM & KleinMetall, are the ONLY pet products companies in the world that employs a team of crash safety biomechanics engineers on staff. Their background includes, but is not limited to, work as crash safety engineers for Volvo, Volkswagen and the Swedish Government. * We are the ONLY Pet products company that promotes truth in advertising and provides ONLY the facts about safe pet travel. * We are the ONLY pet products company that openly publishes our crash test results including test methodology, specifications and videos on our website for everyone to see. * You can find product & crash test videos here: 4x4northamerica.com/video-archive/ You can find our Government Crash Test Results & Certification here: 4x4northamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/variocage-double-spct-test-report.pdf ------------- The Truth About Pet Safety There is a great deal of misinformation, as well as self-proclaimed crash testing, related to products based upon unproven, self-designed test methodology that is highly suspect. These self-designed test methods are not only impractical but also impossible to reproduce in any real world application. In fact, these self-proclaimed test methods put consumers at greater risk by providing a false sense of safety and security for consumers, their pets and their loved ones. We have examples of failures for both “crash tested” harnesses and cages. Here are some examples of failures related to cages: Subaru-CPS Pet Crash Study Fails the Test medium.com/@ismypetsafe/who-will-vet-the-testers-816b5a8f9e45#.3jsc6h5mv Follow-Up - How CPS and Subaru Failed Pet Parents (and hurt their own reputations) ismypetsafe.com/entry/follow-up-how-cps-and-subaru-failed-pet-parents-and-hurt-their-own-reputations What makes a Crash Test Good? ismypetsafe.com/entry/what-makes-a-crash-test-good Finding a Safe Travel Crate: When Benevolence Goes Wrong, Who Can You Trust? ismypetsafe.com/files/travel_crate_report_web.pd ------------- ------------- I hope this answers your questions regarding the Truth About Pet Safety.
I'm so glad I saw this! I love when a company shows their true colors and bashes a superior product, Even more reason for me to go ahead and purchase that Gunner crate...
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy to provide safety for BOTH Human and Canine occupants. Variocage has survived more Front, Tear, Rollover and Side impacts exceeding 60+, 70+ and 80+ MPH that saved BOTH the dogs and the human occupants from harm. Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel with a Crumple Zone that survives a Rear End Impact while protecting 2nd row occupants from the serious or fatal injury. Variocage features an Escape Hatch to allow you to get your dogs out of the vehicle in the event of a fire or a rear cargo door that cannot be opened. Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel that uses Biomechanics Engineering to absorb and take energy away from the dog to prevent the dog from suffering from broken bones, internal bleeding and internal hemorrhaging.
ariocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy to provide safety for BOTH Human and Canine occupants. Variocage has survived more Front, Tear, Rollover and Side impacts exceeding 60+, 70+ and 80+ MPH that saved BOTH the dogs and the human occupants from harm. Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel with a Crumple Zone that survives a Rear End Impact while protecting 2nd row occupants from the serious or fatal injury. Variocage features an Escape Hatch to allow you to get your dogs out of the vehicle in the event of a fire or a rear cargo door that cannot be opened. Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel that uses Biomechanics Engineering to absorb and take energy away from the dog to prevent the dog from suffering from broken bones, internal bleeding and internal hemorrhaging. Come back to me a fact based evidence of your research about your favorite kennel instead of a one liner and we can have an intelligent fact based discussion regarding The Truth About Pet Safety.
@@DixieNormas WOW - Really classy response and such foul language as well. Nobody will take you seriously and you have no facts to back up your claims. I have nothing bit facts, science and documentation to back up what I have said.
@@DixieNormas Jesus, do you mutilate your poor dog's ears with that foul mouth? Sounds like you're just born yesterday and shocked that that businesses are trying to make money. They're all the same, and if you think they're not, they've successfully molded your brain to be easily sold to. But yeah, i'm sorry you don't understand how ads work. Maybe I can help... As someone planning on buying a gunner kennel, even the tests in their own uploaded videos were obviously selected to make them look good and not reflect real world conditions.... You know, like EVERY OTHER ADVERTISEMENT EVER.... I have zero faith that a kennel like that would survive a rollover or direct collision. However, it's worlds better than having an 80lb dog smashed into my spine. Gunner kennels are tested for THIS purpose only in the video you linked, and in no other way. However, just like anyone else trying to make money, they intentionally mislead consumers into thinking they are more durable than they are. THAT is the point of this video, even if they have an ulterior motive to sell a product.
Totally fine with helping to educate the public but this is off. You obviously work for the company Variocage. Targeting a well-meaning business that is trying just as hard to keep pets safe. No crate is fail safe just like being in a car and wearing a seatbelt also does not prevent injury or guarantee safety. If you go on their facebook page you can see customer photos of the crate in accidents, including a rollover where the full weight of a truck bed is on the crate. They give you the information and the facts about how much weight the crate can withhold. I also find it really interesting that Variocage gives the company who made the video money... usually rollover tests are slow impact.....
You are nit understanding who is attacking who. This video was posted in response to a Gunner Video that attacked MIM Safe Variocage. I think I have posted enough here to prove that are the ONLY genuinely, honestly and realistically crash tested dog transport cage in the world. This is not an arrack on Gunner. It is consumer education for those who care to learn, comprehend and understand the real facts, science, engineering, biomechanics and crash dynamics of safe pet travel. We are not using, attacking or promoting anything other than the Truth About Safe et Travel Consumers are free to but what they think is best. However, if someone attacks us with a misleading and false video we have the right to defend our Crash Test claims while reveling the truth about their flawed test methodology. I will post kinks below that will document the authenticity and integrity of our claims and our products.
I will never touch a Variocage product thanks to this video. The comments alone makes your company look so petty and insecure. Why didn't you post this video on the actual company channel? Put your Variocage up to this same exact test and I guarantee it'll fail far worse. Gunner markets their kennels in the back of trucks, yes, and I have yet to see one fail in a real world crash. They do a good job of proving their kennels are durable, even in the back of a truck.
We do have this on our website as well as more information which is seems you have not read. If you understood the engineering of Roto Molded Cages you would see they ALL have the issue. They are fragile on all corners and edges due to the their construction methods. This is a simple fact that any decent engineer or practical minded person would understand of they researched this for themselves. We also believe everyone should buy what they believe is right for them as long they understand what they are buying is not genuinely living up to claim made by the manufacture. The point is, 4x4 North America oddly NEVER mislead customer in order to make a sale. We actually care about saving lives. Also, I have explained numerous times, this was in response to a rigged video that Gunner Posted as well as the reverse engineered crash test and claims they make that can NBOT be reproduced in any vehicle on the market. Therefore we state and live by this promise. Your commitment to your pet is for life ... so is ours. Rich Casey 4x4 North America, Inc.
@@4x4northamerica97 Then, if it's in response to their "rigged" video, then you should match the basics they did. Aka putting each to the same exact test. Put yours in the back of a truck and test it, put theirs in the back of a suv and test it. Your videos can also be seen as rigged because you do not put them to the same exact tests. You can try and justify your product and your companies insecurity any way you like, but I've seen the actual real world applications. THAT is what I trust.
@@jerseydevll The point is, we do not recommend our products, or ANY cage for that matter, be placed in the back of a pickup bed without a cap. The point really is that the Gunner tests are misleading and not well conceived form a safety and engineering standpoint. Let me give you an example. I used to ride motorcycles which have a higher risk of injury than driving a car. I know this first hand because I have the permanent injuries to prove it. However, had I not done my research and planned for the worst while hoping for the best ... I would not be walking this earth at this point. However, I saw plenty of riders riding around with shorts, sandals, t-shorts and no helmets in a variety of states in this country. That is their choice. The level of research and the level of risk each individual is willing to take is up to them. You can continue to troll but those who do their research understand where I am coming from. I am not here to sell products. You can use whatever you want. I am here to allow consumers to make an informed decision. Pretty simple, if you can comprehend it.
@@4x4northamerica97 You continue to be condescending and clearly trying to influence what I buy, contradicting what you're saying about "you can make your own choice". I don't trust a company with someone like you as the head, even if their product is the best engineered. "This I a simple fact that any... practical minded person would understand if they researched this for themselves". So I'm not practical minded because I trust someone elses product over yours? Wonderful marketing strategy, Mr. Casey.
@@jerseydevll It obvious you are simply trolling at this point. Here is the data below plus a link to show you what happens to ANY Roth-Molded Cage in a genuine Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS-216) Rollover Test. czcams.com/video/33v173Y9BeU/video.html I also posted some links and information below that help you understand the Facts, Science and Engineering behind real Crash Safety Engineered products like ours verses the others who make this claim. ------------------------- NOTE: The Metal used in our Variocage is AST-A366 Steel which is Malleable by design for Biomechanics Engineering purposes. In simple terms, the metal used in all of our products is malleable so it will about energy and take it away form the dog verses reflecting that energy back in to the dog which can easily cause serious injury or worse. The metal will wrap around the dog's skeletal structure and absorb energy. This is crucial to avoid breaking the dogs bones and avoiding internal bleeding and hemorrhaging. In addition, the malleable steel is highly resistant to fracturing so it will NOT the metal does NOT become a lacerating, puncturing or penetrating object for the dog. Roto=Molded Cages have 8 Edges and 8 Corners that can fail on impact creating sharp edges and failing in a way that can allow the dog to be ejected or harmed in a very serious way.. Our Crash Test Engineers deign Variocage to work in harmony with your vehicle's safety features. This includes the Crumple Zone which is CRITICAL to safety not just for your Dogs but for Human Occupants as well. The other company made this video using a test they created that they believed they can pass comparing it to our cage being used the way we do NOT recommend ANY cage be installed or used n a Pickup Truck. We made our video in response showing what happens in a Real World Crash Test installed the way the other company ACTUALLY recommends using the cage. We consider this important information for Consumers in an effort to educate then n the Truth About Safe Pet Travel. Here is the other company’s Video that this video is on response to. czcams.com/video/JdKf-4h7EAA/video.html they ------------------------- I suggest you do the research and here are some links that will provide you with actual scientific data and facts regarding Real World Testing of our Products the way they can actually installed and used in your vehicle. For that reason I will post a reply separately that provides you with all as well as any others reading this with facts, data, information and scientific documentation that will prove data that is honest, true and accurate. Thank you. Rich
4 years and you still haven't compared your "superior" crate to gunner. honestly sad that someone preaching that their product is better can't, or wont, do an even comparison. It doesn't matter how the manufacture suggests the product be used. If you are trying to show that your crate is safer, you do the exact same tests. Not one crate in a vehicle and one in a truck bed. even comparison is both in a truck bed or both in the vehicle. It says a lot about a company when they run in circles to avoid doing such a simple thing. If you want people to like your products, back them up with even tests. Don't spam "THE TRUTH ABOUT PET SAFETY" in response to a comment and avoid doing the test everyone asks you to do. You can say gunners test was flawed all you want, doesnt change the fact that they actually compared different brands of crates. Your video just shows immaturity when dealing with anything that says your product isn't the best.
So you’re trying to sell people your crates, by bashing another company’s top quality products?! Your crates look unsafe to me. Put one under that same hammer and let’s see the results. As a business entity, what you’re doing is just going to lose you customers by posting videos of your competitors being unfairly tested and that too without comparing it to a video of your own in this clip. Sorry, but I’d rather take my business elsewhere.
Clearly, you have not done your research or due diligence before making tis comment about our Crash Tested Pet Safety Products or our Company. I will take the time to educate and inform you so you can enlighten others about The Integrity & Truth in Marketing as well as the Truth About Pet Safety. You can also learn more by visiting this link to educate yourself about the facts. 4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/ I will also comment here to help you understand real engineering principles and the innovation, quality and design of our products as well as the integrity of our company. I will do my best to make it easy for you to understand. ----- This video is in response to a flawed and false attack by Gunner Kennels on our Crash Tested Variocage products. We are not the one who attacked Gunner. So it Gunner that put out a deceptive video showing a test they made up …. just to sell cages to unsuspecting consumers. 4x4 North America countered with a factual and honest Crash Test video based on published Government Automotive Safety Standards showing that the Gunner Kennel fails a genuine FMVSS-216 Rollover Test. ----- Just to be clear, there is crash test footage a company released to professional Crash Test Engineers that shows cages on the market failing crash testing. If you look for it you can find it but it was not released to the general public. 4x4 North America does not purposely reveal the false marketing claims made by numerous companies as part of our marketing strategy. However, if our company and our products are attacked using false information, false testing and false claims we will respond in kind with genuine facts and real information involving proper and legitimate crash testing. MIM Safe and 4x4 North America, Inc. publish all of our crash test data and methodology for the public to see. We offer only the facts and more detail than any other company related to genuine Crash Testing of our Products. This way, consumers can analyze the data and review the crash test methodology in great detail so they can form their own opinion about the quality and integrity of the products and the company that stand behind them. ----- Gunner recommends traveling in an open pickup bed as part of the marketing. 4x4 North America only recommends traveling with a cage in an open bed pickup without a Pickup Bed Cap installed. 4x4 North America is very clear about the fact that we do not recommend traveling with our Variocage … or ANY other cage for that matter ... in an open pickup bed. 4x4 North America does not recommend traveling in a an open pickup bed with ANY cage since there is not a single cage on the market that has been crash tested in this application for Front, Rear & Rollover Accidents. The real truth here is that you have one manufacturer, Gunner Kennels, claiming their cage is crash tested and safe or travel in a pickup. Gunner also claims their cage has been crash tested and is safe for use in a vehicle. ----- Truth be told, Gunner Kennels have NOT been tested for front, rear or rollover accident using any real world Government Automotive Safety Standards and have both been tested using a test methodology that can be reproduced in any consumer vehicle on the market. You can find multiple reports that show the flawed test methodology used by the Center for Pet Safety (CPS). The testing done by CPS was only for a front end impact and the test methodology and installation cannot be reproduced in any vehicle manufactured today without very serious modifications. The vehicle modifications required to duplicate the CPS test would furthermore defeat the safety engineering of the vehicle itself. Basically, anyone can reverse engineer a test they can claim they passed. However, if that test cannot be reproduced in any real world application what does that do for the consumer? . Any honest, logical and pragmatic view would see this as misleading and detrimental to the actual safety of consumers. This shows a lack of integrity as well as a lack of concern for genuine safety of Pets and their Owners. So your negative comments should be directed at Gunner and CPS, not at 4x4 North America. ----- On the opposite side of this discussion is The Truth About Pet Safety. This is a test showing how each cage performs when installed as recommended by the manufactures. This is also in response to a test done by Gunner that tested Variocage installed in a way we clearly do not recommend. So, we simply tested the Gunner Kennel the exact same way Gunner actually recommends installing and using their kennels. The point is, MIM Safe 4x4 North America only recommend our products they way they were actually crash tested and in a way that can be perfectly duplicated and installed by consumers in their vehicle. MIM Safe and 4x4 North America genuinely actually care about the safety of pets and their human companions. This is the main reason why we post things like this. We are big believers in promoting the Truth About Pet Safety. 4x4 North America supports Freedom of Choice. Whatever products a customer chooses and how they choose to travel is up to them and that is their right. We only wish to educate consumers so they have the facts and understand the risks so they can make the best choice for their lifestyle and application. This is still a free country ... for now .. and you can choose whatever works best for you and you application. I hope that helps you better understand the facts involving the the posted video. Thank you.
I did indeed answer in painstaking factual detail. It is all there for everyone to see ad very clear and easy to understand. I was not rude and I provide very clear facts for anyone who truly wants real data. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I wish you well.
Oh did not realise he sells variocage. I have seen a video of a similar test on variocage however it is inside trunk of car but i got told quite specifically they are made for the car boot. Only variocage is available in my country so had the choice of which cage made for me. I wont be putting mine in car boot as i need access to boot for my walker and spare tyre, i couldnt lift either the gunner or variocage out if i needed to change tyre.
Thank you for raising this question and providing me once again the opportunity to prove MIM Safe Products are the ONY Genuinely, Honest and Realistically Crash Tested Pet Safety Transport Products in the world. --------- To start, our video is in response to a HIT JOB by Gunner who posted a video first trying to show how our Variocage, when used IMPROPERLY and NOT the way we recommend. performed when hit straight from the top using a 650 or so pound weight. Our video is in response showing how GUNNER KENNELS, which are NOT genuinely crash tested, performs in an ACTUALLY Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard - (FMVSS-216). --------- Our products are designed to go in a vehicle and they are made using a specific type of steel that is malleable and absorbs energy in a crash. This will protect the dog(s) in the event of an accident since it will not reflect energy in to the dog which would break their bones and cause internal bleeding and hemorrhaging in a serious crash. --------- If you want a product that has better engineering and protection for dogs in the back of a pickup truck, then look at our Crash Teated MultiCage. MIM SAFE MULTICAGE 4x4northamerica.com/product/multicage/ While we do not recommend using ANY cage in a Pickup Truck without a Bed Cap, the MIM SAFE MULTICAGE is safer than a GUNNER in this installation due to the malleable steel and genuine Crash Test Engineering of our MIM SAFE MULTICAGE. --------- The GUNNER is NOT crash tested for Front, Rear or Rollover impacts. MIM SAFE Variocage IS properly crash tested for Front, Rear or Rollover impacts. --------- The GUNNER does NOT feature a Crumple Zone that absorbs energy in a rear end impact and in fact it will take the force of a rear end crash in to cage and transfer that energy in to the 2nd row seat. MIM SAFE Variocage DOES have Crumple Zone Engineering that absorbs energy in a rear end impact and in fact it will NOT be impacted or affected by the force of a rear end crash and it will NOT transfer that energy in to the 2nd row seat. --------- The GUNNER does NOT feature a Malleable Steel that absorbs energy upon impact from the dog when thrown inside the cage. MIM SAFE Variocage DOES uses a Malleable Steel that absorbs energy upon impact from the dog when thrown inside the cage. --------- The GUNNER does NOT feature a Rear Escape Hatch to remove your dog from a Vehicle in the event of a crash or fire or inability to open a rear cargo door. MIM SAFE Variocage DOES feature a Rear Escape Hatch to remove your dog from a Vehicle in the event of a crash or fire or inability to open a rear cargo door. --------- The GUNNER does NOT make efficient use of space to provide ample room for a dog due to the Rectangular Design and the much smaller inner dimensions verses the outer dimension. MIM SAFE Variocage DOES make efficient use of space to provide ample room for a dog due to the Sloped & Angular Design that offers the MAXIMUM amount of room for a dog in a cargo space. --------- MORE IN NEXT POST
CONTINUED GUNNER did NOT use thorough, proper or accepted Crash Test Automotive Methodology that could be reproduced in the real world. MIM SAFE Variocage DID use thorough, proper or accepted Crash Test Automotive Methodology that could be reproduced in the real world. --------- GUNNER did NOT use thorough, proper or accepted Crash Test Automotive Methodology that could be reproduced in the real world. MIM SAFE Variocage DID use thorough, proper or accepted Crash Test Automotive Methodology that could be reproduced in the real world. --------- GUNNER did NOT use Crash Test Engineers with Biomechanics Engineering, Training or experience that can design products for the safety of both HUMANS and K9's in a real world accident. MIM SAFE Variocage DID use Crash Test Engineers with Biomechanics Engineering, Training and experience that can design products for the safety of both HUMANS and K9"s in a real world accident. --------- MORE IN NEXT POST
Here is the data below plus a link to show you what happens to ANY Roth-Molded Cage in a genuine Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS-216) Rollover Test. czcams.com/video/33v173Y9BeU/video.html I also posted some links and information below that help you understand the Facts, Science and Engineering behind real Crash Safety Engineered products like ours verses the others who make this claim. ------------------------- NOTE: The Metal used in our Variocage is AST-A366 Steel which is Malleable by design for Biomechanics Engineering purposes. In simple terms, the metal used in all of our products is malleable so it will about energy and take it away form the dog verses reflecting that energy back in to the dog which can easily cause serious injury or worse. The metal will wrap around the dog's skeletal structure and absorb energy. This is crucial to avoid breaking the dogs bones and avoiding internal bleeding and hemorrhaging. In addition, the malleable steel is highly resistant to fracturing so it will NOT the metal does NOT become a lacerating, puncturing or penetrating object for the dog. Roto=Molded Cages have 8 Edges and 8 Corners that can fail on impact creating sharp edges and failing in a way that can allow the dog to be ejected or harmed in a very serious way.. Our Crash Test Engineers deign Variocage to work in harmony with your vehicle's safety features. This includes the Crumple Zone which is CRITICAL to safety not just for your Dogs but for Human Occupants as well. The other company made this video using a test they created that they believed they can pass comparing it to our cage being used the way we do NOT recommend ANY cage be installed or used n a Pickup Truck. We made our video in response showing what happens in a Real World Crash Test installed the way the other company ACTUALLY recommends using the cage. We consider this important information for Consumers in an effort to educate then n the Truth About Safe Pet Travel. Here is the other company’s Video that this video is on response to. czcams.com/video/JdKf-4h7EAA/video.html they ------------------------- I suggest you do the research and here are some links that will provide you with actual scientific data and facts regarding Real World Testing of our Products the way they can actually installed and used in your vehicle. For that reason I will post a reply separately that provides you with all as well as any others reading this with facts, data, information and scientific documentation that will prove data that is honest, true and accurate. Thank you. Rich
Not a realistic rollover impact except in the event that the crate hit the end of a guardrail or concrete pole. In that case, NO crate would survive (speaking as a motorcycle rider).
This is a Federal Motor Vehicle FMVSS-216 Rollover Standard Test. It is very real and how they test for rollovers. We are laying out the Facts. Do you some genuine research. The claim that a cage is crash tested would lead one to think it is crash tested the way you can install it in a vehicle for all possible crash scenarios. Read the thread there is a wealth of information here in the thread about who is marketing honestly and who is not. Thank you.
@@lynne-sheltiesrock2322 Thank you for a very intelligent and very important question! The short answer is no or at at least none that we have tested or know of. This video was made specifically to debate a claim and a video made by Gunner about Variocage. We have additional footage of Front and Rear Crash Scenarios as well but we only responded to the claim Gunner made about Variocage. In fact, we have tested all cages that makes claims about being crash tested and most that do not make specific claims but but promote them as safe. None passed the same Crash Test Standard we use for our products which includes Front, Rear and Rollover Crash Scenarios installed using published Government Standards using BOTH a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy. The FMVSS-216 Rollover Crash Test simulates a real world rollover of a vehicle. The point of impact shown in the video is the same point typically impacted by a vehicle in a rollover accident. Almost all vehicles today are designed to pass this test. This is why we say state that all crates in a pickup bed must have a cap on the bed to be safe. Of course, people can do whatever they wish and we respect that right and freedom of choice. However, to say any cage is safe in a pickup bed without a cap is very misleading. Variocage has a 17 Year Track Record of Safety and nobody compares when it comes to design, engineering, biomechanics, security, safety, utilization of cargo space and ventilation combined. Our Genuinely Crash Tested Variocage is designed to be used in a vehicle with a roof or in a pickup with a cap. We take safety very seriously and would never make any statement or promote any misinformation that would endanger the lives of people or animals while traveling in a vehicle. postedvisitimmediatelycrashtransportyour Please, by all means, ask any question you want. I can answer almost all questions on this topic and back it up with real works scientific tests, data, crash test reports, engineering reports, crash dynamics and more published by reputable 3rd parties as well as real automotive crash test engineers. Thank you.
So, show me what happens to the veriocrate with the same impact on a corner. I'm not denying what your are saying, but I'm not seeing any veriocrates built for the back of a pickup. Gunner crates are marketed towards the hunter who may not have room for their full hunting party in the cab with them. Also, any crate is a safety tool. You have to decide which one is best for what you are doing. For me, I don't plan on ever owning an SUV so the veriocrate just isn't for me. It'd also be hard for any person to survive the kind of crash that would cause that kind of damage to that crate in the back of a pickup. People die from crashes every day even though seat belts and airbags are utilized. It's about mitigating the risks. I'm not saying I would toss my dog in a crate in the back and drive for hundreds of miles at highway speeds, but these are built to load up and head to and from the field, not for cross-country trips. Disclaimer- Im a hunter with no dog at the moment, but I'm considering travel crates for purchase when I do take that step.
I understand and accept people have different applications, needs or requirements. I know for a fact that getting on a motorcycle is dangerous and I have the permanent injuries to prove it. I am painfully reminded every day of this fact. We are not trying to sell you a cage. We are simply tying to educate and inform the public by providing them with facts and scientific data so they can make the best choice for their application. With thats said, I think you are missing some important points. * We do not claim or recommend any cage for installation in the bed of a pickup without a cap. * We do not claim our cage is safe in the back of a pickup in a rollover without a cap ... but Gunner does. * Clearly the video tells a different story. Gunner released a video that states their cage is safe in a rollover and Variocage is not. This video is our response to that claim. The video clearly shows the Gunner Kennel fails when tested using published Government Automotive Safety Standards for Rollover Accidents. The bottom line is this. * We do not recommend ANY cage for installation in pickup bed without a cap. * We would never mislead anyone with marketing hype especially when it comes to a safety product. * We only publish factual, scientific information and we let the public decide what is best for their application. Whatever you choose is up to you. We respect the fact that your application and acceptable level of risk is whatever you feel comfortable with. As long as you are aware of the facts then whatever you choose to buy is fine. We just do not want people traveling believing something that is not true. This i still a free country ... for now .. and you can choose whatever works best for you and you application. I hope that helps you better understand why I posted this video.
This test is a simulation of the FMVSS 216 Government Automotive Safety Standard the way EACH manufacturer recommend their cage for use. Variocage is the ONLY dog transport cage in the world that has been tested for Front, Rear & Rollover impacts using Government Automotive Safety Standards when used and installed recommended. Variocage is the ONLY dog transport cage in the world that has been tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy protecting both you, your passengers and your dogs in an accident. 4x4 North America does not recommend ANY crate in the back of a pickup truck WITHOUT a cap including a Variocage. With a cap, it is OK. Without a cap, none if the cages on the market meet Government Automotive Safety Standards for all three (3) scenarios ... Front, Rear & Rollover Impact ... including Gunner. The point of the video is that Gunner recommends their crate for use in a way that not only has not been tested but in a way that fails Government Automotive Safety Standards. In fact, Gunner was only tested in a Front Crash Test that CANNOT be reproduced in a real world application. In addition, Gunner has not tested their cage for Front, Rear & Rollover Accidents Government Automotive Safety Standards. However, they claim they pass crash testing. If you genuinely care, then please do you research educate yourself on The Truth About Pet Safety safety and learn the facts before passing judgement or making statements or claims that are not backed up by science, engineering, testing in a real world application.
ANY crate in the back of a pickup is subject to failure in an accident. Especially Roto-Molded cages which are very vulnerable to shattering, breaking and failing from impacts on corners and edges. Read more below.
You seem to be missing the point. We do NOT recommend traveling with a Variocage in a Pickup Bed without a cap. Same goes for Gunner. This is not recommend because the exposed cages cannot stand up to a rollover impact if exposed. Variocage is designed to be used in an SUV, Minivan or Pickup Truck with a cap. We re being clear and up front that NO cage is recommended for use in a pick bed without ca, No matter what brand there is, none will do well a direct hit in a rollover.
@@4x4northamerica97 No, I believe you seem to be vauge with the point. At no time in the average editing of the video did you state that you do not recommend a crate in an open pick up bed, you just showed the footage of a Gunner kennel being destroyed. Useless. How about offering a solution in the video or title, since you are claiming to be looking out for myself and my dogs best interest. By not doing so you come off as just another hater of roto-molded dog kennels and biased towards your vario cage sponsors. It explains your 28 subscribers. No way would I want the wrecking ball of a dog kennel in the cab of my truck, minivan, or suv. None of these vehicles have tie downs for securing a load.
You know, I have been looking at high quality crates for our new Dutch Shepherd and came across this video. (I agree with it being stupid) but from the business practices and from my own best judgment, I am buying a Gunner G1. It will fit inside our air conditioned Transit Van, just right.
I agree that every consumer should make their own choices. If interested in learning abut safe pet travel, feel free to read what I have posted in the comments if yuo care to learn more. If not, that is fine as well. :)
FYI - This video is in repose to a misleading video Gunner posted about Variocage. I have covered this in detail in the comments posted in this thread.
We believe everyone should buy what they believe is right for them as long they understand what they are buying is not genuinely living up to claim made by the manufacture. The point is, 4x4 North America oddly NEVER mislead customer in order to make a sale. We actually care about saving lives. Also, I have explained numerous times, this was in response to a rigged video that Gunner Posted as well as the reverse engineered crash test and claims they make that can NBOT be reproduced in any vehicle on the market. Therefore we state and live by this promise. Your commitment to your pet is for life ... so is ours. Rich Casey 4x4 North America, Inc.
@@4x4northamerica97 doesn't matter if the method is flawed in the test. At least gunner compared each kennel the same way. If you want to bash a kennel, put yours up to the same exact test. Doesnt matter how you say your kennel should be installed, but it to whatever test you put others through.
@@anikalaritskaya8335 - Sorry to say, it does matter when it comes to saving lives which many pets parent care about. Not only for the dogs but for the family and loved ones in the vehicle as well. If someone creates a test that is not a real word test that you cannot reproduce in a real world environment or your vehicle then it must both people and dogs at risk. The point is we do not recommend anyone put ANY kennel of ANY kind in the back of a pick up truck. Gunner DOES recommend this so we showed what happens in a real world FMVSS 216 Crash Test Standard Simulation to a Gunner when impacted on an edge. Most important is that ALL Roto-Molded Cages, the Gunner included, will shatter when hit in a corner or an edge. This is common due to the way Moto-Molded cages are manufactured and constructed. Also, any kennel without a crumple zone, such as the Gunner and others, will fail in a rear end crash. Especially the doors which allows a dog to be escape and run in to traffic which can lead to potential serious or fatal injury or the woods where they can get lost. Worse, is when these Moto-Molded and doors fail ad the dog is windowfatal Gunner also did not test for Front, Rear, Rollover and Side impacts in an SUV, Station Wagon Van. 4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/
Hi - If wish to learn more about the facts, you can visit the link below of call us for an overview. Simply said, no other kennel passes real word crash safety testing. It is easy to claim to be crash tested using flawed crash test methodology. However, it is very different when it comes to real world crash scenarios. No other Kennel features the Life Saving Biomechanics and Crumple Zone Engineering of our Real Crash Tested Variocage, Multicage, VarioBarrier, Care-2 and our other products offer. No other manufacturer meets the real world crash safety that our products provide to protect both human and canines in the event of an accident. Our product also make more efficient use of space, offer much better ventilation, feature locking doors and have a proven 18 year track record of safety. The issue with ALL Moto-MOlded Cages has to do with the manufacturing process. Stretching a plastic sheet over a rotating metal mold causes the corners and edges to heat-up, stretch and become more brittle. For this reason, Roto-Molded cages cannot withstand high impacts to the corners or edges. A dog can easily become a 3,000 to 5,000 pound projectile in an accident. This is where our Biomechanics Engineering becomes extremely critical to the survival of the dog(s). In addition, all the other cages we tested failed in many ways when subjected to our Crash Test Methods and all of the Door failed immediately. Placing ANY cage in a Pickup without a cap is not safe especially in a rollover accident. I am happy to share more if you want detailed information everything related to safety is published on our website. However, our website has so much information available that it may be a bit tricky to navigate. I am including the following information with links that should answer at least 98% of your questions if not more. If there is anything I missed please call me directly so I can better assist you with any documentation you need related top our Crash Test Engineering, Crash Test Methodology, Government Crash Test Standards, Government Crash Test Facilities and anything else you may need. We are the ONLY Company in the World that offers Real Crash Tested Pet Transport Safety Products. We use Published Government Crash Test Standards accepted Worldwide to test our products. All documentation is online on our www.4xenorthamerica.com website. We use a combination of Crash Test Standards, not just one, to assure the safety of Human Occupants and Canines in the event of a crash. Depending on the products, we us a combination of at least 3 of the following Published Crash Test Standards for every products we offer and sometimes more. * ISO 27955 * ECE R-17 * ECE R-44 * DIN-75410-2 In addition, we go above and beyond by using the Safe Pet Crash Test Standard - (SPCT) as well as TUV Standards for testing as well for some of our products. Pet Safety & Travel Links 4x4northamerica.com/pet-safety-and-travel-links/ Depending on the product, of our testing was done by SP Technical Research Institute a 100% Government owned Agency in Sweden as well as Certifications and Testing Standards approved by TUV in Germany as well as other authorities and agencies. SP Technical Research Institute www.ri.se/sv?refdom=www.sp.se ADAC Technical Institute www.adac.de/der-adac/unsere-verantwortung/adac-technik-zentrum/ TUV www.tuv.com/usa/en/product-certification.html A copy of a Crash Test Report can be found at the following Weblink. MIM Safe Variocage - Safety & Testing 4x4northamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mim-safe-variocage-safety-testing.pdf There is much, much more but I think you will find everything you would ever care to know about our products is published on our website for everyone to see and evaluate. Simply said, no other Kennel or Cage Manufacturer in the world company in the world does what MIM Safe has been doing for 37 years and no other company has the engineering, testing and history of safety that we offer with our products and our expertise. Real Crash Tested Pet Transport Safety Products is our ONLY business and as you can see, we take genuinely saving lives very seriously. ------
i just bought this crate. I did find it very odd that the manufacturers were advocating, all over their website, putting the crate outside in the bed of the pickup. First, the target market seems to be Southerners, which means very hot summers. I wouldn't want my dog out in 95 degree NC heat -- he's staying in the cabin with the A/C. I would also be concerned about debris and direct impact in the case of a crash, as shown by the video. My family will stick to keeping our Gunner Kennel tied down in the back of our SUV cabin with at least some protection from direct collision, road debris, and the elements. I do believe that this is still, in all likelihood, the toughest kennel out there. I just see it as a major marketing failure to show dogs relegated to the truck bed. Didn't Mitt Romney get burned in the 2012 election when it came to light that he crated a dog and put it on the roof rack of his car? Not a cool thing to do to Fido.
I have yet to see another kennel that can do what Gunner does in the back of a truck. Now put it in a SUV, it has to be the best. Now what I find odd about the makers of Variocage is they have replied to every comment I've looked at. Every. Single. One. If they have to do that, I personally wouldn't trust their crates with my dogs life. I've seen real world application of Gunner Kennels in the back of trucks. Rear, front, and roll over crashes. Not one of those crates were crushed.
@@jerseydevll -------------------------------------- Basically, our issues with “Safety Products Companies and Agencies” have to do with the fact that their test methodology is flawed and seems to designed to favor their test method verses any real world use or application. In other words, their test methods are not practical and cannot be reproduced or duplicated by any consumer. In fact, their test methods are strictly theoretical and often seem designed to achieve a specific outcome favorable to their products verses real safety and real testing for real world sue and application. You can decide for yourself what this means and why they do this. For example, if you read the information on this page here... 4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/ … you sill see that manufacturers and testing agencies consistently make false claims using flawed test methodology that cannot be reproduced in the real world. I tell you this only so you understand that there are people out there that put marketing and the sale of their product over and above the Truth About Pet Safety. At 4x4 North America, we ONLY post the facts about our products. All of our facts are based on real scientific testing by 3rd parties and outside agencies. All of our testing is in compliance with with Government Safety Standards accepted Worldwide. All of our testing is done in compliance with how are products are actually used by the end user in a real world application. Our goal is to educate people and let them make their own informed choices about how they choose to travel with their pets. Here are a few verifiable and documented facts about our products which may help you determine the viability and honesty of the sources of information out there on the web. Variocage is the ONLY honestly, genuinely and realistically crash tested dog transport kennel in the world. * MIM Safe manufactures over 350 Crash Tested products for people, dogs and cats that are meet Government Automotive Safety Standards Worldwide. * MIM Safe even manufactures a safety jumping gate for horse trials approved by the FÉDÉRATION EQUESTRE INTERNATIONALE. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog cage in the WORLD tested and certified for front, rear and roll over impacts that protects BOTH human occupants and dogs. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world that will not do harm to a 2nd row occupant in a read end collision. This includes a baby in a baby seat. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world with a crumple zone which is critical for safety. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world manufactured with malleable AST A366 Steel which is also critical for safety. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world crash tested using multiple government crash test standards. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world crash tested front, read and rollover accidents. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world crash tested the way you actually install the cage in your vehicle. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world crash testing proper crash test methodology * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world designed and engineered by real Automotive Crash Test Engineers that we keep on Staff. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world that has been proven safe with over 15 years of history. * Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world manufactured by a Company experienced with Crash Tested Automotive Products since the 1980’s. * MIM Variocage is the ONLY proven crash tested dog cage in the WORLD that has a perfect track record of safety since it was introduced 15 years ago. * You can find our Government Crash Test Results & Certification here: -------------
I am not sure if you are getting the point. No other manufacturer I know of "claims" their cage is crash tested for use in the back of a pickup bed with no Cap. The point is simple. Gunner has NOT done thorough crash testing more have they used proper test methodology that can be duplicated in any v heckle on the planet. In addition, Gunner did NOT test for Front Rear and Rollover Impacts in a Vehicle using BOTH a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Crash Test Dummy. There are NO cages, crates or kennels on the market that are tested and approved for use in a Pickup Bed WITHOUT a BED CAP. The point is this. If a manufacturer fails to use proper and thorogh and real world crash test methodology that cannot be reproduced in teh real world, the integrity of the statement and the marketing is in serious question. Variocage does NOT recommend using their cages or ANY other Crate or Kennel in a Pickup without a BED CAP. Period. Please visit these links for more real 3rd party evaluations of the Gunner and CPS Testing. You will see the crash test methodology used is serious flawed and not reproducible in ANY vehicle on the market. That is the point of this post.
Here are the links: 4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/ player.vimeo.com/video/171395676 4x4northamerica.com/category/real-life-stories/ MIM Safe is the ONLY manufacturer on the world that thoroughly tests our Crash Tested Pet Safety Products for Multiple Crash Scenarios such as Front, Rear and Rollover Impacts with both a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy installed in a vehicle the way you as a the end use can actually install and use the product. We keep everyone in the vehicle safe, not just the dog.
I am getting the point but thank you. My own dogs do not and WILL NOT ride in the bed of a pick up so your argument is lost on me. They ride within my SUV. Thank you, though.
@@angie4now438 Good., They you should really read the info at the links I sent you. Without A crumple zone like Variocage, the cage will take the full force of an impact, which can easily meet or exceed 80,000lbs, and the cage will become a battering ram until it is damaged or broken in a crash. You should really do some more research.
I will check out the links. I have watched a lot of videos of all kinds including multiple brands and willing to look at more. I am willing to see and read more.
Bunch of people missing the point. Probably bc they like the marketing style of Gunner, and post BRCC such pandering should be seen for what it is. This company isn't saying its kennel would survive that. It's saying Gunner tested its product outside of recommended installation, while they're testing Gunner's product per recommended installation and proving according to a Gov't standard that it isn't capable of doing what it claims. Really odd how people accuse all kinds of malice when facts are delivered soberly, almost like they're salty bc they spent $800 on a lie and would rather call someone smug and of bad character than learn what ad hominem means.
I want to be clear that 4x4 North America, Inc. believes everyone should make choices and compromises based on their own individual needs, lifestyle and budget - no matter what those choices may be. Living life while enjoying what we love to do is important for our happiness and well-being. Not everyone can or will travel in ways that are optimal; I understand and, at times, have been guilty of this myself. We support freedom of choice and respect the fact that different products serve different needs. However, we also believe consumers are free to make informed choices based on facts and knowledge. 4x4 North America, Inc. believes this choice is critical for consumers when making decisions that impact the life and well-being of their pets, families and loved ones, as well as their own personal safety. With that said, I must point out a few facts, to correct the record, regarding some of statements I see being made in this thread. I feel it is important to point out a few of these concerns so consumers can make decisions based on facts, rather than marketing or offhand comments. I would also question those who promote products as "Crash Safe" without having the qualifications, science or facts to back it up. I personally believe that no company should be making claims or implying otherwise unless there is genuine, scientific, real world crash testing to back it up. The biggest issue I see is that test which are “made-up” or “ reverse engineered to achieve a desired result is that they do not replicate any real world crash scenario. The flawed test methodology behind these tests either do not replicate any use, application or installation that can actually be duplicated in a vehicle or a real world scenario. Typically, and in fact, they use test methodology that is not even close to representing what happens in a real world crash scenario. For example, Roto-molded cages have some inherent issues when it comes to crash safety. To be specific, Roto-molded cages break if hit with a decent amount of force on an edge or a corner. Roto-molded structures are stiff and will not form around the dog's bone structures in the event of an impact. For example, the ribs in a dog’s chest. The entire plastic wall will deflect to some extent, but the problem has to do with the fact that it is not ductile. When impacted, the wall will give back all the energy consumed by the deflection. Meaning, once the flexible limit is reached, the impact force will snap back and be directly generated in to whatever hits it which in this case would be the dog. The dog will also bounce off the wall once that energy is sent back to the dog causing an equally dangerous secondary reaction. In a side collision, like some of the ones we have seen, it could very well break the ribs or cuase internal damage and bleeding. That of course, is not a soft tissue injury. It is much worse. Compare this to a Variocage, where the metal parts will bend and form around the bones and absorb energy in a side collision. This takes the energy away from the dogv erses a the roto-molded cage will have a much more aggressive reaction since it is in fact, nothing more than a non-energy consuming plastic box. Soft padding does not solve the problem either. The high force levels generated during an accident would require extremely stiff deformable closed cell foam pads to make a difference. However, it is extremely difficult to balance the crush performance requirements of the padding to the bone strength for all dogs since every dog’s build, weight and bone structure are different. In addition, a pad that might would be very, very thick and leave no room on the cage for the dog. Even with a pad like this, you still need a good structure to contain the dog safely and to assure they are safe. The door is also a serious issue which is true on all of the cages we have tested using real world, scientific crash test methodology that is based on published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards. Also, engineering analysis and physics predict “Ropes & Straps” we currently see used on cages will at best handle a load of 2,000 pounds or less in a real world crash scenario. Typically the straps and ropes used are often rated less than that. The fact is, collisions can generate extremely high energy and forces far greater than this which can easily exceed tens of thousands of pounds. Without additional engineering and safety features combined with a proper crash tested installation these other cages will fail in a real world crash scenario. In addition, plastic buckles are not designed and engineered to handle heavy loads or impacts. We have never found a plastic buckle that can survive a real world crash test and we have tried for years to find one. This is why we only use Mil Spec Metal buckles on our AllSafe Comfort Harness. Plastic buckles will release and open at much lower levels of impact or applied force. Since the largest loss of dogs in an accident is due to the doors opening and/or the cage breaking and failing to contain the dogs, this is a critical factor to consider. Truth be told, and to the best of my knowledge, there has been no real world crash testing done for any other cage except MIM Safe Variocage. In fact, MIM Safe Crash Tested products are the only genuinely, honestly Crash Tested Dog Cages in the world. Variocage meets all the criteria for Real World Crash testing using a real world sceanrio in multiple crash test senarios using published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards. The statements about Soft Tissue testing are not sound. In fact, they seem like talking points for our Variocage which actually does address these issues. Anyone who has researched our products may already know this. Certainly, any dealer of ours knows this because we have discussed it with them during dealer training. We also post the features, benefits and advantages of genuinely crash tested pet safety products on social media as well to educate consumers and arm them with facts. Again, we believe it is consumer’s choice to make whatever decision is best for them. There is no one product that is right for everyone based on their individual needs and applications. We believe it is an individual choice that should be based on real data, real science, real facts and real information. Variocage is the only Crash Tested Pet Transport Cage tested for Front, Rear & Rollover Impacts using both a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy installed in a way that the end user can duplicate easily in their vehicle. Variocage uses ASTM A366 steel that is designed to absorb energy and flex during impact. Variocage is actually the only crash tested cage on the market properly engineered to work well with multiple accident scenarios and heavy impacts. Variocage features an escape hatch for emergencies and also has a 15 year proven track record of safety. I have much more real world data and facts to share, so if anyone would care to learn more about Safe Pet Travel, please visit the link below. I am also happy to take calls from anyone who may have questions. Anything I cannot answer I will refer to our team of Crash Test Engineers in Sweden. In summary, I suggest that everyone should do their own homework and due diligence before making choices that may impact the lives of you, your pets and your loved ones. “Your commitment to your pet is for life … so is ours” 4x4 North America, Inc. 4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/ player.vimeo.com/video/171395676 player.vimeo.com/video/171395668 4x4northamerica.com/category/real-life-stories/
@@willypeter8861 Here is the data below plus a link to show you what happens to ANY Roth-Molded Cage in a genuine Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS-216) Rollover Test. czcams.com/video/33v173Y9BeU/video.html I also posted some links and information below that help you understand the Facts, Science and Engineering behind real Crash Safety Engineered products like ours verses the others who make this claim. ------------------------- NOTE: The Metal used in our Variocage is AST-A366 Steel which is Malleable by design for Biomechanics Engineering purposes. In simple terms, the metal used in all of our products is malleable so it will about energy and take it away form the dog verses reflecting that energy back in to the dog which can easily cause serious injury or worse. The metal will wrap around the dog's skeletal structure and absorb energy. This is crucial to avoid breaking the dogs bones and avoiding internal bleeding and hemorrhaging. In addition, the malleable steel is highly resistant to fracturing so it will NOT the metal does NOT become a lacerating, puncturing or penetrating object for the dog. Roto=Molded Cages have 8 Edges and 8 Corners that can fail on impact creating sharp edges and failing in a way that can allow the dog to be ejected or harmed in a very serious way.. Our Crash Test Engineers deign Variocage to work in harmony with your vehicle's safety features. This includes the Crumple Zone which is CRITICAL to safety not just for your Dogs but for Human Occupants as well. The other company made this video using a test they created that they believed they can pass comparing it to our cage being used the way we do NOT recommend ANY cage be installed or used n a Pickup Truck. We made our video in response showing what happens in a Real World Crash Test installed the way the other company ACTUALLY recommends using the cage. We consider this important information for Consumers in an effort to educate then n the Truth About Safe Pet Travel. Here is the other company’s Video that this video is on response to. czcams.com/video/JdKf-4h7EAA/video.html they ------------------------- I suggest you do the research and here are some links that will provide you with actual scientific data and facts regarding Real World Testing of our Products the way they can actually installed and used in your vehicle. For that reason I will post a reply separately that provides you with all as well as any others reading this with facts, data, information and scientific documentation that will prove data that is honest, true and accurate. Thank you. Rich
This is a Federal Motor Vehicle FMVSS-216 Rollover Standard Test. It is very real and how they test for rollovers. We are laying out the Facts. Do you some genuine research. The claim that a cage is crash tested would lead one to think it is crash tested the way you can install it in a vehicle for all possible crash scenarios. Read the thread there is a wealth of information here in the thread about who is marketing honestly and how is not. Thank you.
could you post a link to a US rollover certification test that uses the same mechanism on an autobody. I'm only aware of the slow pressure tests that determine if the safety cage of the vehicle can support its weight. The odds of the forces in this test being replicated similarly in a real life senerio seem slim to me. As we all know automakers spend millions on safety engineering and implementation and even they can't design to make every possible scenario survivable.
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy to provide safety for BOTH Human and Canine occupants. Variocage has survived more Front, Tear, Rollover and Side impacts exceeding 60+, 70+ and 80+ MPH that saved BOTH the dogs and the human occupants from harm. Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel with a Crumple Zone that survives a Rear End Impact while protecting 2nd row occupants from the serious or fatal injury. Variocage features an Escape Hatch to allow you to get your dogs out of the vehicle in the event of a fire or a rear cargo door that cannot be opened. Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel that uses Biomechanics Engineering to absorb and take energy away from the dog to prevent the dog from suffering from broken bones, internal bleeding and internal hemorrhaging.
This demonstrates a rollover accident with the Gunner Kennel installed as recommended by the manufacturer. This test duplicates a government standard for rollover crash testing. The fact is, molded cages like the Gunner are known to be weak and do not do so well when it comes to impacts on the edges and corners. So, the point is not which crate if any would would survive. The takeaway from this is that the manufacturer recommended using their crate in this manner which they claim is crash tested. You can sort out how you feel about that. I can say that this is an accurate and scientific demonstration of a rollover accident based on Government Standards for testing in rollover accidents. The only Dog Cage in the world that passes crash testing for front, rear and rollover impacts with BOTH Canine AND Human Occupants using Published Government Automotive Safety Standards is the MIM Safe Variocage.
Id be interested in seeing variocage (heard gunner and vario are two best) with same test as iam getting one. I dont think that would survive either even an amoured car or tank wouldnt survive that. However, i was told by retailer that they are recommended for car boots not on back of pickup. Im putting mine between the front and rear seat as i wont be able to access spate tyre. With the high cost want this to be the one and only i buy unless in a crash then itll be replaced.
The Variocage is the ONY Crash Tested Pet Transport Kennel tested for Front, Rear & Rollover Impacts with documented real world side and rear impacts up to 70mph including numerous rollovers with no injuries to human or canine occupants. Variocage has a 15 year track record of safety which nobody else can match. Variocage is the ONLY Crash tested cage that is tested using both a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy to assure safety of both human and canine occupants. Variocage is the ONLY crash tested transport cage in the wrk with a crumple zone that is tested the way you can actually install it in your vehicle. Look closely at other tests such as the Gunner. They are using a 6" or better steel sled with Four (4) 10,000 pound load hooks and very high strength straps with NO 2nd row seat or human crash test dummy in place and they only test for a front end collision. This is not a real world test you can duplicate in your vehicle and they do not test for Front, Rear, Rollover and Side impacts. In addition, Variocage is designed with Biomechanics in mind and uses ASTM A366 Steel which s malleable and deigned to absorb impacts and wrap and mold itself around the skeletal structure of a dog to avoid breaking bones and avoid internal bleeding or hemorrhaging. Roto-Molded cages are not engineered with Biomechanics in mind. Also, due to the material and manufacturing process Root-Molded cages have 16 weak points due to the stretching of the plastic over a rotational mold. The fragile points include the all 8 Corners and all 8 edges. I will post some links with more info so you read more about the Roto-Molded cages and proper crash tests design.
I want to be clear that 4x4 North America, Inc. believes everyone should make choices and compromises based on their own individual needs, lifestyle and budget - no matter what those choices may be. Living life while enjoying what we love to do is important for our happiness and well-being. Not everyone can or will travel in ways that are optimal; I understand and, at times, have been guilty of this myself. We support freedom of choice and respect the fact that different products serve different needs. However, we also believe consumers are free to make informed choices based on facts and knowledge. 4x4 North America, Inc. believes this choice is critical for consumers when making decisions that impact the life and well-being of their pets, families and loved ones, as well as their own personal safety. With that said, I must point out a few facts, to correct the record, regarding some of statements I see being made in this thread. I feel it is important to point out a few of these concerns so consumers can make decisions based on facts, rather than marketing or offhand comments. I would also question those who promote products as "Crash Safe" without having the qualifications, science or facts to back it up. I personally believe that no company should be making claims or implying otherwise unless there is genuine, scientific, real world crash testing to back it up. The biggest issue I see is that test which are “made-up” or “ reverse engineered to achieve a desired result is that they do not replicate any real world crash scenario. The flawed test methodology behind these tests either do not replicate any use, application or installation that can actually be duplicated in a vehicle or a real world scenario. Typically, and in fact, they use test methodology that is not even close to representing what happens in a real world crash scenario. For example, Roto-molded cages have some inherent issues when it comes to crash safety. To be specific, Roto-molded cages break if hit with a decent amount of force on an edge or a corner. Roto-molded structures are stiff and will not form around the dog's bone structures in the event of an impact. For example, the ribs in a dog’s chest. The entire plastic wall will deflect to some extent, but the problem has to do with the fact that it is not ductile. When impacted, the wall will give back all the energy consumed by the deflection. Meaning, once the flexible limit is reached, the impact force will snap back and be directly generated in to whatever hits it which in this case would be the dog. The dog will also bounce off the wall once that energy is sent back to the dog causing an equally dangerous secondary reaction. In a side collision, like some of the ones we have seen, it could very well break the ribs or cause internal damage and bleeding. That of course, is not a soft tissue injury. It is much worse. Compare this to a Variocage, where the metal parts will bend and form around the bones and absorb energy in a side collision. This takes the energy away from the dogs verses a the roto-molded cage will have a much more aggressive reaction since it is in fact, nothing more than a non-energy consuming plastic box. Soft padding does not solve the problem either. The high force levels generated during an accident would require extremely stiff deformable closed sell foam pads to make a difference. However, it is extremely difficult to balance the crush performance requirements of the padding to the bone strength for all dogs since every dog’s build, weight and bone structure are different. In addition, a pad that might would be very, very thick and leave no room on the cage for the dog. Even with a pad like this, you still need a good structure to contain the dog safely and to assure they are safe. The door is also a serious issue which is true on all of the cages we have tested using real world, scientific crash test methodology that is based on published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards. Also, engineering analysis and physics predict “Ropes & Straps” we currently see used on cages will at best handle a load of 2,000 pounds or less in a rear end crash. Typically the straps and ropes used are often rated less than that. The fact is, collisions can generate extremely high energy and forces far greater than this which can easily exceed tens of thousands of pounds. Without additional engineering and safety features combined with a proper crash tested installation these other cages will fail in a real world crash scenario. In addition, plastic buckles are not designed and engineered to handle heavy loads or impacts. We have never found a plastic buckle that can survive a real world crash test and we have tried for years to find one. This is why we only use Mil Spec Metal buckles on our AllSafe Comfort Harness. Plastic buckles will release and open at much lower levels of impact or applied force. Since the largest loss of dogs in an accident is due to the doors opening and/or the cage breaking and failing to contain the dogs, this is a critical factor to consider. Truth be told, and to the best of my knowledge, there has been no real world crash testing done for any other cage except MIM Safe Variocage. In fact, MIM Safe Crash Tested products are the only genuinely, honestly Crash Tested Dog Cages in the world. Variocage meets all the criteria for Real World Crash testing using a real world scenario in multiple crash test scenarios using published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards. The statements about Soft Tissue testing are not sound. In fact, they seem like talking points for our Variocage which actually does address these issues. Anyone who has researched our products may already know this. Certainly, any dealer of ours knows this because we have discussed it with them during dealer training. We also post the features, benefits and advantages of genuinely crash tested pet safety products on social media as well to educate consumers and arm them with facts. Again, we believe it is consumer’s choice to make whatever decision is best for them. There is no one product that is right for everyone based on their individual needs and applications. We believe it is an individual choice that should be based on real data, real science, real facts and real information. Variocage is the only Crash Tested Pet Transport Cage tested for Front, Rear & Rollover Impacts using both a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy installed in a way that the end user can duplicate easily in their vehicle. Variocage uses ASTM A366 steel that is designed to absorb energy and flex during impact. Variocage is actually the only crash tested cage on the market properly engineered to work well with multiple accident scenarios and heavy impacts. Variocage features an escape hatch for emergencies and also has a 15 year proven track record of safety. I have much more real world data and facts to share, so if anyone would care to learn more about Safe Pet Travel, I will post some additional information in this forum as I have done in the past. I am also happy to take calls from anyone who may have questions. Anything I cannot answer I will refer to our team of Crash Test Engineers in Sweden. In summary, I suggest that everyone should do their own homework and due diligence before making choices that may impact the lives of you, your pets and your loved ones.
@@4x4northamerica97 im the proud owner of variocage brought off nz distributor. the best money ive spent. expensive but looks like its built tough and will protect my dog so looks the part. i was impressed with the crash tests and had to have one.
Hey yall, this video is trash. A Gunner Kennel is THE SAFEST KENNEL on the market. I know a guy who had his dog thrown a hundred yards down the road in this crate and his boy was shaken up but fine.
This test is a simulation of the FMVSS 216 Government Automotive Safety Standard the way EACH manufacturer recommend their cage for use. Variocage is the ONLY dog transport cage in the world that has been tested for Front, Rear & Rollover impacts using Government Automotive Safety Standards when used and installed recommended. Variocage is the ONLY dog transport cage in the world that has been tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy protecting both you, your passengers and your dogs in an accident. 4x4 North America does not recommend ANY crate in the back of a pickup truck WITHOUT a cap including a Variocage. With a cap, it is OK. Without a cap, none if the cages on the market meet Government Automotive Safety Standards for all three (3) scenarios ... Front, Rear & Rollover Impact ... including Gunner. The point of the video is that Gunner recommends their crate for use in a way that not only has not been tested but in a way that fails Government Automotive Safety Standards. In fact, Gunner was only tested in a Front Crash Test that CANNOT be reproduced in a real world application. In addition, Gunner has not tested their cage for Front, Rear & Rollover Accidents Government Automotive Safety Standards. However, they claim they pass crash testing. If you genuinely care, then please do your research & educate yourself on The Truth About Pet Safety. Learn the facts before passing judgement or making statements or claims that are not backed up by science, engineering, testing in a real world application.
I have seen crash tests done on a tray type device gunner passed flying colors but variocage had some deformation and the tie downs broke.would this not simulate the effect on back of pickup truck or ute. Iam buying a variocage so just asking out of interest.
@@leerag I will post some links that deconstruct the CPS Testing and reveals their highly flawed Test Methodology. Most important, despite CPS best efforts to make it appear the Variocage would fail, it did not. The Variocage performed flawlessly despite being improperly installed. The dog was contained and there was no injury to the dog whatsoever. The idea is to contain the dog safely until you can get them out of the cage under your control. Variocage features a rear escape hatch for this reason. In many rear end impacts, the cargo door cannot be opened. With Variocage you flip down your 2nd row seats and let the dog out through our escape hatch. MIM Safe Variocage uses a Swedish government agency for testing that is not affiliated with our company in any way. During our testing the agency must read the instructions and install the Variocage exactly as illustrated. CPS did not do this. So not only did CPS fail to function as a legitimate test agency, they appear suspect for failing to follow protocol. CPS did not put the straps through BOTH slots on the Variocage frame. They only used one. However, that is not critical. The straps are designed to break so the Variocage Crumple Zone works as designed. Without a crumple zone the damage in a 30mph rear end collision is devastating if using a solid cage without a crumple zone in the Cargo Space. A 30mph rear end collision at a stop light with an average 4,000 pound vehicle will generate about 80,000 pounds of force in 80 milliseconds. A solid cage without a crumple zone will first and foremost defeat the safety engineering of your vehicle by obstructing the crumple zone of your vehicle. Instead, the cage will take the full impact of that crash and transfer all that energy in to the cage and the backs seat. There are no cages that can take an 80,000 pound hit without failing except for Variocage. In fact we have survived 60mph ver and 70mph side impacts wit no harm to human or canine occupants. We also have a 15 year paved track record. To make matters worse, any passengers in the 2nd row in danger of serious or fatal injury as that 80,000 pounds of energy is transferred in the back seat. In addition, a Square or Rectangular cage up against a 2nd row will typically only make contact at the top of the seat and headrest. This will focus the crash energy and intensify it on this area. The same area where a 2nd row passengers neck and head are typically resting. Variocage avoids all of this due to its angular design that matches the slant of the backs seat. Combined with the Variocage Crumple Zone, this will conformably distribute the forces over a wider surface area while the Crumple Zone absorbs the crash energy in harmony with your vehicle's crumple zone. This allows your vehicle's crumple zone to function as designed and keep explosive crash energy out of the holy f=grail of safety which in the interior space of your vehicle. I will post links below with information from a 3rd party that dismantles CPS testing methodology and exposes it as seriously flawed.
Hi Hippie Bits, The conclusion is right, this is not an exact government test standard, this test was performed using similar angles but it is a dynamic test. The government test standard is connected to the curb weight of the car and this fact makes a dynamic test impossible although it would be far better, compared to the Side Pole Crash Test. The real intension is to show that there is a significant difference putting a cage inside a car and putting it on a bed. We do not recommend any that cage be used in the bed of a Pickup Truck without a bed cap as there it is a very poor protection. Variocage is recommended for use they way it was crash tested inside of a vehicle. We recently had an accident with a VarioCage showing that this is by far a realistic scenario. If this would have been an open bed there would be small chances of having the dogs alive afterwards. Also the Side Pole Test hitting the bed in front of the rear axle would cause significant intrusion crushing any cage placed closer to the front of the bed. So never ever use a bed if you really treasure your companion. I can send you an image of this crash if you like.
WHAT IS GENUINELY CRASH SAFE? I question those who promote products as “Crash Safe” without having the qualifications, science or facts to back it up. I personally believe that no company should be making claims or implying otherwise unless there is genuine, scientific, real world crash testing to back it up. Again, the biggest issue I see is when tests are “made-up” or “reverse engineered to achieve a desired result is that they do not replicate any real world crash scenario. The flawed test methodology behind these the majority of tests either do not replicate a use, application or installation that can actually be duplicated in a vehicle or a real world scenario. Typically, and in fact, they use test methodology that is not even close to representing what happens in a real world crash scenario. What is genuinely crash safe? You can lear more at these links. SAFETY & TESTING KNOWLEDGE CENTER 4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/ VIDEOS 4x4northamerica.com/video-archive/ ------------ ROTO-MOLDED PLASTIC DOG CAGES We do not recommend any Plastic Roto-Molded Cage with respect to Crash Safety for a variety of reasons. Please read why as noted below. ------------ ROTO-MOLDED CAGES / SAFETY HARNESSES vs. CRASH TESTED MIM SAFE / KLEINMETALL PRODUCTS For example, Roto-molded cages have some inherent issues when it comes to crash safety. To be specific, Roto-molded cages break if hit with a decent amount of force on an edge or a corner. Roto-molded structures are stiff and will not form around the dog’s bone structures in the event of an impact. For example, the ribs in a dog’s chest. The entire plastic wall will deflect to some extent, but the problem has to do with the fact that it is not ductile. When impacted, the wall will give back all the energy consumed by the deflection. Meaning, once the flexible limit is reached, the impact force will snap back and be directly generated in to whatever hits it which in this case would be the dog. The dog will also bounce off the wall once that energy is sent back to the dog causing an equally dangerous secondary reaction. In a side collision, like some of the ones we have seen, it could very well break the ribs or cause internal damage and bleeding. That of course, is not a soft tissue injury. It is much worse. Compare this to a Variocage, where the metal parts will bend and form around the bones and absorb energy in a side collision. This takes the energy away from the dogs verses a the roto-molded cage will have a much more aggressive reaction since it is in fact, nothing more than a non-energy consuming plastic box. Soft padding does not solve the problem either. The high force levels generated during an accident would require extremely stiff deformable closed sell foam pads to make a difference. However, it is extremely difficult to balance the crush performance requirements of the padding to the bone strength for all dogs since every dog’s build, weight and bone structure are different. In addition, a pad that might would be very, very thick and leave no room on the cage for the dog. Even with a pad like this, you still need a good structure to contain the dog safely and to assure they are safe. The door is also a serious issue which is true on all of the cages we have tested using real world, scientific crash test methodology that is based on published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards. Also, engineering analysis and physics predict “Ropes & Straps” we currently see used on cages will at best handle a load of 2,000 pounds or less in a rear end crash. Typically the straps and ropes used are often rated less than that. The fact is, collisions can generate extremely high energy and forces far greater than this which can easily exceed tens of thousands of pounds. Without additional engineering and safety features combined with a proper crash tested installation these other cages will fail in a real world crash scenario. Truth be told, and to the best of our knowledge, e have yet to see any real world crash testing done for any other cage except MIM Safe Variocage. In fact, MIM Safe Crash Tested products are the only genuinely, honestly Crash Tested Dog Cages in the world. Variocage meets all the criteria for Real World Crash testing using a real world scenario in multiple crash test scenarios using published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards.
I agree and what you said does not apply Variocage. We do in fact have all the science, documentation, videos and 15 years history to back up our claims. I will post link below to document this for the record.
I agree. However, this does not apply to Variocage. We have all of the crash tests documentation, videos and 15 year track record of safety to claims with real science and real world testing. I posted a link above to ur crash test report and I will post more below for our videos along with some science and facts.
Thanks for the upload, now I know to buy a gunner crate. If this is how hard a rival has to go in order to make them look bad, then they must be superb.
Actually, if you read my posts I am trying to inform consumers regarding the Truth About Safe Pet Travel. It is clear you have not read my posts.
"Instead of believing beliefs, believe the facts"
Here is the data below plus a link to show you what happens to ANY Roth-Molded Cage in a genuine Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS-216) Rollover Test.
czcams.com/video/33v173Y9BeU/video.html
I also posted some links and information below that help you understand the Facts, Science and Engineering behind real Crash Safety Engineered products like ours verses the others who make this claim.
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NOTE: The Metal used in our Variocage is AST-A366 Steel which is Malleable by design for Biomechanics Engineering purposes.
In simple terms, the metal used in all of our products is malleable so it will about energy and take it away form the dog verses reflecting that energy back in to the dog which can easily cause serious injury or worse.
The metal will wrap around the dog's skeletal structure and absorb energy. This is crucial to avoid breaking the dogs bones and avoiding internal bleeding and hemorrhaging.
In addition, the malleable steel is highly resistant to fracturing so it will NOT the metal does NOT become a lacerating, puncturing or penetrating object for the dog.
Roto=Molded Cages have 8 Edges and 8 Corners that can fail on impact creating sharp edges and failing in a way that can allow the dog to be ejected or harmed in a very serious way.
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Our Crash Test Engineers deign Variocage to work in harmony with your vehicle's safety features. This includes the Crumple Zone which is CRITICAL to safety not just for your Dogs but for Human Occupants as well.
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The other company made this video using a test they created that they believed they can pass comparing it to our cage being used the way we do NOT recommend ANY cage be installed or used n a Pickup Truck.
We made our video in response showing what happens in a Real World Crash Test installed the way the other company ACTUALLY recommends using the cage.
We consider this important information for Consumers in an effort to educate then n the Truth About Safe Pet Travel.
Here is the other company’s Video that this video is on response to.
czcams.com/video/JdKf-4h7EAA/video.html
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I suggest you do the research and here are some links that will provide you with actual scientific data and facts regarding Real World Testing of our Products the way they can actually installed and used in your vehicle.
For that reason I will post a reply separately that provides you with all as well as any others reading this with facts, data, information and scientific documentation that will prove data that is honest, true and accurate.
Thank you.
Rich
@@4x4northamerica97 so, you test your crate INSIDE the vehicle, and test the leading competitor OUTSIDE of the vehicle?
@@4x4northamerica97 actually, your posts continually deflect . You are testing the leading competitor in the bed of a truck and testing your product inside of an SUV.
We are laying out the Facts. Do you some genuine research. The claim that a cage is crash tested would lead one to think it is crash tested the way you can install it in a vehicle for all possible crash scenarios. Read the thread there is a wealth of information here in the thread about who is marketing honestly and how is not. Thank you.
I was considering the Variocage instead of the Gunner, but when I saw how blatantly biased the comparison videos were, I see somebody is just trying to sell the Vario, which makes me trust it less and confirms that I'm making the correct decision by purchasing the Gunner.
All advertisement is biased. Some of them are just better at convincing you it was YOUR idea to buy it...
@@drugbuddy665 Not biased. Fact. Do you some genuine research. The claim that a cage is crash tested would lead one to think it is crash tested the way you can install it in a vehicle for all possible crash scenarios. Read the thread there is a wealth of information here in the thread about who is marketing honestly and how is not. Thank you.
@@4x4northamerica97 why don’t you test yours in the same scenario then
You’ve just increased Gunner’s sales 😂
hit job video... there is not a dog crate onto market that would protect against that hammer...
This demonstrates a rollover accident with the Gunner Kennel installed as recommended by the manufacturer. This test duplicates a government standard for rollover crash testing.
The fact is, molded cages like the Gunner are known to be weak and do not do so well when it comes to impacts on the edges and corners. So, the point is not which crate if any would would survive.
The takeaway from this is that the manufacturer recommended using their crate in this manner which they claim is crash tested. You can sort out how you feel about that.
I can say that this is an accurate and scientific demonstration of a rollover accident based on Government Standards for testing in rollover accidents.
The only Dog Cage in the world that passes crash testing for front, rear and rollover impacts with BOTH Canine AND Human Occupants using Published Government Automotive Safety Standards is the MIM Safe Variocage.
Still a hit job video... there is not a dog crate onto market that would protect against that hammer...
I am not sure what "Hit Job" means. I agree that no cage on the market can pass this test when installed in a pickup truck during a rollover accident.
All I can say is that this is the way this particular manufacturer recommends traveling with their crate. Installed in the back of a pickup truck. However, in a rollover accident the cage can be subject to exact forces shown in this demonstration.
They claim it is "Crash Tested" and so did The Center For Pet Safety. The test methodology used for this testing was seriously flawed and you can read more about that here:
What Makes a Crash Test Good
ismypetsafe.com/entry/what-makes-a-crash-test-good
Travel Crates - Pet Safety Theater
ismypetsafe.com/entry/travel-crates-pet-safety-theater
Pet Travel Crates Help
ismypetsafe.com/entry/pet-travel-crates-help
Travel Crate Follow Up - The Manufacturers
ismypetsafe.com/entry/travel-crate-follow-up-the-manufacturers
We feel that manufacturers should be held accountable when it comes to making claims about a cage being crash tested if it has not been properly evaluated for Front, Rear & Rollover Impacts using Published Government Automotive Safety Standards.
It is OK if you do not understand this concept. I am just being clear about what this video is just for the record. We think manufacturers should be open and honest about the testing & safety of their products though full disclosure of the facts.
Johnathan - Not true. You are missing the point. This is a test showing how each cage performs when installed as recommended by the manufactures. This is also in response to a test done by Gunner that tested Variocage installed in a way we clearly do not recommend. So, we simply tested the Gunner Kennel the exact same way Gunner actually recommends installing and using their kennels. The point is, we only recommend our products they way they were actually crash tested. Clearly, you can interpret the rest for yourself.
We actually care about the safety of pets and their human companions. This is the main reason why we post things like this. We are big believers in promoting the Truth About Pet Safety.
So to answer your question, Gunner sells their cage and claims on their home page that it is crash tested.
However, if you go to our website and look or look at the links below, there are numerous documents and links from 3rd parties documenting how flawed the test methodology really is that testing agencies use in their evaluations. If you look at the analysis in this documentation, you will easily see how flawed the test methodology really is and how it is not at all reproducible in any real world application.
The Gunner cage was tested using this flawed test methodology and was ONLY tested for a front collision using methods you cannot reproduce in your vehicle. Their crash test what appears to be at least Four (4) Ten-Thousand Pound (10,000 lb) Load Hooks mounted to a very thick steel sled using massive cargo straps holding the cage in place. I can assure you that no consumer vehicle could reproduce this setup in a Car, SUV or Pickup without major modifications to the vehicle right down to the frame.
Without genuine Front, Rear and Rollover Crash Test using Test Methodology that Consumers can reproduce in their vehicle there is really no way for consumers to make an educated choice when it comes to the safety of their pets and their family. A lack of facts will leave Consumers unaware of the risks they are actually facing when using a safety rated product.
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CONSUMER EDUCATION
To enlighten and inform you, we are providing several links and attached documents to this E-mail for your review. The web links and documents provide information that will help you educate customers about safe pet travel and our product line. For a quick overview, here are some links to just a few of our product and education videos.
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4x4 North America, Inc. Video Library
4x4northamerica.com/video-archive/
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We specifically recommend these two (2) videos:
VARIOCAGE - Life Saving Engineering… Proven Real World Performance
player.vimeo.com/video/171395668
VARIOCAGE - The Science of Pet Safety - Standard Dog Cages Fail In Common Crash Scenarios
player.vimeo.com/video/171395676
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Proven Performance
Here is a brief overview of facts about our products and safe pet travel.
Basically, our issues with “Safety Products Companies and Agencies” have to do with the fact that their test methodology is flawed and seems to designed to favor their test method verses any real world use or application. In other words, their test methods are not practical and cannot be reproduced or duplicated by any consumer. In fact, their test methods are strictly theoretical and often seem designed to achieve a specific outcome favorable to their products verses real safety and real testing for real world use and application. You can decide for yourself what this means and why they do this.
For example, if you read the information on this page here...
htps://4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/
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you can see that some manufacturers and testing agencies often make safety claims using flawed test methodology that cannot be reproduced in the real world. I say you this only so you understand that there are people out there that put marketing and the sale of their product over and above the Truth About Pet Safety.
At 4x4 North America, we ONLY post the facts about our products.
All of our facts are based on real scientific testing by 3rd parties and outside agencies.
All of our testing is in compliance with with Government Safety Standards accepted Worldwide.
All of our testing is done in compliance with how are products are actually used by the end user in a real world application.
Our goal is to educate people and let them make their own informed choices about how they choose to travel with their pets.
Here are a few verifiable and documented facts about our products which may help you determine the viability and honesty of the sources of information out there on the web.
* MIM Safe manufactures over 350 Crash Tested products for people, dogs and cats that are meet Government Automotive Safety Standards Worldwide.
* MIM Safe even manufactures a safety jumping gate for horse trials approved by the FÉDÉRATION EQUESTRE INTERNATIONALE.
* MIM Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog cage in the WORLD tested and certified for front, rear and roll over impacts that protects BOTH human occupants and dogs.
* Our partners, MIM & KleinMetall, are the ONLY pet products companies in the world that employs a team of crash safety biomechanics engineers on staff. Their background includes, but is not limited to, work as crash safety engineers for Volvo, Volkswagen and the Swedish Government.
* We are the ONLY Pet products company that promotes truth in advertising and provides ONLY the facts about safe pet travel.
* We are the ONLY pet products company that openly publishes our crash test results including test methodology, specifications and videos on our website for everyone to see.
* You can find product & crash test videos here:
4x4northamerica.com/video-archive/
You can find our Government Crash Test Results & Certification here:
4x4northamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/variocage-double-spct-test-report.pdf
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The Truth About Pet Safety
There is a great deal of misinformation, as well as self-proclaimed crash testing, related to products based upon unproven, self-designed test methodology that is highly suspect.
These self-designed test methods are not only impractical but also impossible to reproduce in any real world application.
In fact, these self-proclaimed test methods put consumers at greater risk by providing a false sense of safety and security for consumers, their pets and their loved ones.
We have examples of failures for both “crash tested” harnesses and cages.
Here are some examples of failures related to cages:
Subaru-CPS Pet Crash Study Fails the Test
medium.com/@ismypetsafe/who-will-vet-the-testers-816b5a8f9e45#.3jsc6h5mv
Follow-Up - How CPS and Subaru Failed Pet Parents (and hurt their own reputations)
ismypetsafe.com/entry/follow-up-how-cps-and-subaru-failed-pet-parents-and-hurt-their-own-reputations
What makes a Crash Test Good?
ismypetsafe.com/entry/what-makes-a-crash-test-good
Finding a Safe Travel Crate: When Benevolence Goes Wrong, Who Can You Trust?
ismypetsafe.com/files/travel_crate_report_web.pd
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I hope this answers your questions regarding the Truth About Pet Safety.
haha this video is just showing how impressive this product is!
I'm so glad I saw this! I love when a company shows their true colors and bashes a superior product, Even more reason for me to go ahead and purchase that Gunner crate...
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy to provide safety for BOTH Human and Canine occupants.
Variocage has survived more Front, Tear, Rollover and Side impacts exceeding 60+, 70+ and 80+ MPH that saved BOTH the dogs and the human occupants from harm.
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel with a Crumple Zone that survives a Rear End Impact while protecting 2nd row occupants from the serious or fatal injury.
Variocage features an Escape Hatch to allow you to get your dogs out of the vehicle in the event of a fire or a rear cargo door that cannot be opened.
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel that uses Biomechanics Engineering to absorb and take energy away from the dog to prevent the dog from suffering from broken bones, internal bleeding and internal hemorrhaging.
ariocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy to provide safety for BOTH Human and Canine occupants.
Variocage has survived more Front, Tear, Rollover and Side impacts exceeding 60+, 70+ and 80+ MPH that saved BOTH the dogs and the human occupants from harm.
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel with a Crumple Zone that survives a Rear End Impact while protecting 2nd row occupants from the serious or fatal injury.
Variocage features an Escape Hatch to allow you to get your dogs out of the vehicle in the event of a fire or a rear cargo door that cannot be opened.
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel that uses Biomechanics Engineering to absorb and take energy away from the dog to prevent the dog from suffering from broken bones, internal bleeding and internal hemorrhaging.
Come back to me a fact based evidence of your research about your favorite kennel instead of a one liner and we can have an intelligent fact based discussion regarding The Truth About Pet Safety.
@@4x4northamerica97 But it's employees/Owners are a bunch of cunts and I don't give money to cunts. But please, keep digging that hole deeper...
@@DixieNormas WOW - Really classy response and such foul language as well. Nobody will take you seriously and you have no facts to back up your claims. I have nothing bit facts, science and documentation to back up what I have said.
@@DixieNormas Jesus, do you mutilate your poor dog's ears with that foul mouth? Sounds like you're just born yesterday and shocked that that businesses are trying to make money. They're all the same, and if you think they're not, they've successfully molded your brain to be easily sold to.
But yeah, i'm sorry you don't understand how ads work. Maybe I can help... As someone planning on buying a gunner kennel, even the tests in their own uploaded videos were obviously selected to make them look good and not reflect real world conditions.... You know, like EVERY OTHER ADVERTISEMENT EVER....
I have zero faith that a kennel like that would survive a rollover or direct collision. However, it's worlds better than having an 80lb dog smashed into my spine. Gunner kennels are tested for THIS purpose only in the video you linked, and in no other way. However, just like anyone else trying to make money, they intentionally mislead consumers into thinking they are more durable than they are. THAT is the point of this video, even if they have an ulterior motive to sell a product.
Totally fine with helping to educate the public but this is off. You obviously work for the company Variocage. Targeting a well-meaning business that is trying just as hard to keep pets safe. No crate is fail safe just like being in a car and wearing a seatbelt also does not prevent injury or guarantee safety. If you go on their facebook page you can see customer photos of the crate in accidents, including a rollover where the full weight of a truck bed is on the crate. They give you the information and the facts about how much weight the crate can withhold. I also find it really interesting that Variocage gives the company who made the video money... usually rollover tests are slow impact.....
You are nit understanding who is attacking who. This video was posted in response to a Gunner Video that attacked MIM Safe Variocage. I think I have posted enough here to prove that are the ONLY genuinely, honestly and realistically crash tested dog transport cage in the world. This is not an arrack on Gunner. It is consumer education for those who care to learn, comprehend and understand the real facts, science, engineering, biomechanics and crash dynamics of safe pet travel. We are not using, attacking or promoting anything other than the Truth About Safe et Travel Consumers are free to but what they think is best. However, if someone attacks us with a misleading and false video we have the right to defend our Crash Test claims while reveling the truth about their flawed test methodology. I will post kinks below that will document the authenticity and integrity of our claims and our products.
4x4northamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/travel-crates-pet-safety-theater.pdf
4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/
4x4northamerica.com/faq/
4x4northamerica.com/video-archive/
I will never touch a Variocage product thanks to this video. The comments alone makes your company look so petty and insecure. Why didn't you post this video on the actual company channel? Put your Variocage up to this same exact test and I guarantee it'll fail far worse. Gunner markets their kennels in the back of trucks, yes, and I have yet to see one fail in a real world crash. They do a good job of proving their kennels are durable, even in the back of a truck.
We do have this on our website as well as more information which is seems you have not read. If you understood the engineering of Roto Molded Cages you would see they ALL have the issue. They are fragile on all corners and edges due to the their construction methods. This is a simple fact that any decent engineer or practical minded person would understand of they researched this for themselves.
We also believe everyone should buy what they believe is right for them as long they understand what they are buying is not genuinely living up to claim made by the manufacture. The point is, 4x4 North America oddly NEVER mislead customer in order to make a sale. We actually care about saving lives.
Also, I have explained numerous times, this was in response to a rigged video that Gunner Posted as well as the reverse engineered crash test and claims they make that can NBOT be reproduced in any vehicle on the market.
Therefore we state and live by this promise.
Your commitment to your pet is for life ... so is ours.
Rich Casey
4x4 North America, Inc.
@@4x4northamerica97 Then, if it's in response to their "rigged" video, then you should match the basics they did. Aka putting each to the same exact test. Put yours in the back of a truck and test it, put theirs in the back of a suv and test it. Your videos can also be seen as rigged because you do not put them to the same exact tests. You can try and justify your product and your companies insecurity any way you like, but I've seen the actual real world applications. THAT is what I trust.
@@jerseydevll The point is, we do not recommend our products, or ANY cage for that matter, be placed in the back of a pickup bed without a cap. The point really is that the Gunner tests are misleading and not well conceived form a safety and engineering standpoint. Let me give you an example. I used to ride motorcycles which have a higher risk of injury than driving a car. I know this first hand because I have the permanent injuries to prove it. However, had I not done my research and planned for the worst while hoping for the best ... I would not be walking this earth at this point. However, I saw plenty of riders riding around with shorts, sandals, t-shorts and no helmets in a variety of states in this country. That is their choice. The level of research and the level of risk each individual is willing to take is up to them. You can continue to troll but those who do their research understand where I am coming from. I am not here to sell products. You can use whatever you want. I am here to allow consumers to make an informed decision. Pretty simple, if you can comprehend it.
@@4x4northamerica97 You continue to be condescending and clearly trying to influence what I buy, contradicting what you're saying about "you can make your own choice". I don't trust a company with someone like you as the head, even if their product is the best engineered. "This I a simple fact that any... practical minded person would understand if they researched this for themselves". So I'm not practical minded because I trust someone elses product over yours? Wonderful marketing strategy, Mr. Casey.
@@jerseydevll It obvious you are simply trolling at this point.
Here is the data below plus a link to show you what happens to ANY Roth-Molded Cage in a genuine Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS-216) Rollover Test.
czcams.com/video/33v173Y9BeU/video.html
I also posted some links and information below that help you understand the Facts, Science and Engineering behind real Crash Safety Engineered products like ours verses the others who make this claim.
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NOTE: The Metal used in our Variocage is AST-A366 Steel which is Malleable by design for Biomechanics Engineering purposes.
In simple terms, the metal used in all of our products is malleable so it will about energy and take it away form the dog verses reflecting that energy back in to the dog which can easily cause serious injury or worse.
The metal will wrap around the dog's skeletal structure and absorb energy. This is crucial to avoid breaking the dogs bones and avoiding internal bleeding and hemorrhaging.
In addition, the malleable steel is highly resistant to fracturing so it will NOT the metal does NOT become a lacerating, puncturing or penetrating object for the dog.
Roto=Molded Cages have 8 Edges and 8 Corners that can fail on impact creating sharp edges and failing in a way that can allow the dog to be ejected or harmed in a very serious way..
Our Crash Test Engineers deign Variocage to work in harmony with your vehicle's safety features. This includes the Crumple Zone which is CRITICAL to safety not just for your Dogs but for Human Occupants as well.
The other company made this video using a test they created that they believed they can pass comparing it to our cage being used the way we do NOT recommend ANY cage be installed or used n a Pickup Truck.
We made our video in response showing what happens in a Real World Crash Test installed the way the other company ACTUALLY recommends using the cage.
We consider this important information for Consumers in an effort to educate then n the Truth About Safe Pet Travel.
Here is the other company’s Video that this video is on response to.
czcams.com/video/JdKf-4h7EAA/video.html
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I suggest you do the research and here are some links that will provide you with actual scientific data and facts regarding Real World Testing of our Products the way they can actually installed and used in your vehicle.
For that reason I will post a reply separately that provides you with all as well as any others reading this with facts, data, information and scientific documentation that will prove data that is honest, true and accurate.
Thank you.
Rich
4 years and you still haven't compared your "superior" crate to gunner. honestly sad that someone preaching that their product is better can't, or wont, do an even comparison. It doesn't matter how the manufacture suggests the product be used. If you are trying to show that your crate is safer, you do the exact same tests. Not one crate in a vehicle and one in a truck bed. even comparison is both in a truck bed or both in the vehicle. It says a lot about a company when they run in circles to avoid doing such a simple thing. If you want people to like your products, back them up with even tests. Don't spam "THE TRUTH ABOUT PET SAFETY" in response to a comment and avoid doing the test everyone asks you to do. You can say gunners test was flawed all you want, doesnt change the fact that they actually compared different brands of crates. Your video just shows immaturity when dealing with anything that says your product isn't the best.
So you’re trying to sell people your crates, by bashing another company’s top quality products?! Your crates look unsafe to me. Put one under that same hammer and let’s see the results. As a business entity, what you’re doing is just going to lose you customers by posting videos of your competitors being unfairly tested and that too without comparing it to a video of your own in this clip. Sorry, but I’d rather take my business elsewhere.
Clearly, you have not done your research or due diligence before making tis comment about our Crash Tested Pet Safety Products or our Company.
I will take the time to educate and inform you so you can enlighten others about The Integrity & Truth in Marketing as well as the Truth About Pet Safety.
You can also learn more by visiting this link to educate yourself about the facts.
4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/
I will also comment here to help you understand real engineering principles and the innovation, quality and design of our products as well as the integrity of our company.
I will do my best to make it easy for you to understand.
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This video is in response to a flawed and false attack by Gunner Kennels on our Crash Tested Variocage products.
We are not the one who attacked Gunner.
So it Gunner that put out a deceptive video showing a test they made up …. just to sell cages to unsuspecting consumers.
4x4 North America countered with a factual and honest Crash Test video based on published Government Automotive Safety Standards showing that the Gunner Kennel fails a genuine FMVSS-216 Rollover Test.
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Just to be clear, there is crash test footage a company released to professional Crash Test Engineers that shows cages on the market failing crash testing. If you look for it you can find it but it was not released to the general public.
4x4 North America does not purposely reveal the false marketing claims made by numerous companies as part of our marketing strategy.
However, if our company and our products are attacked using false information, false testing and false claims we will respond in kind with genuine facts and real information involving proper and legitimate crash testing.
MIM Safe and 4x4 North America, Inc. publish all of our crash test data and methodology for the public to see. We offer only the facts and more detail than any other company related to genuine Crash Testing of our Products. This way, consumers can analyze the data and review the crash test methodology in great detail so they can form their own opinion about the quality and integrity of the products and the company that stand behind them.
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Gunner recommends traveling in an open pickup bed as part of the marketing.
4x4 North America only recommends traveling with a cage in an open bed pickup without a Pickup Bed Cap installed.
4x4 North America is very clear about the fact that we do not recommend traveling with our Variocage … or ANY other cage for that matter ... in an open pickup bed.
4x4 North America does not recommend traveling in a an open pickup bed with ANY cage since there is not a single cage on the market that has been crash tested in this application for Front, Rear & Rollover Accidents.
The real truth here is that you have one manufacturer, Gunner Kennels, claiming their cage is crash tested and safe or travel in a pickup. Gunner also claims their cage has been crash tested and is safe for use in a vehicle.
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Truth be told, Gunner Kennels have NOT been tested for front, rear or rollover accident using any real world Government Automotive Safety Standards and have both been tested using a test methodology that can be reproduced in any consumer vehicle on the market.
You can find multiple reports that show the flawed test methodology used by the Center for Pet Safety (CPS).
The testing done by CPS was only for a front end impact and the test methodology and installation cannot be reproduced in any vehicle manufactured today without very serious modifications.
The vehicle modifications required to duplicate the CPS test would furthermore defeat the safety engineering of the vehicle itself.
Basically, anyone can reverse engineer a test they can claim they passed.
However, if that test cannot be reproduced in any real world application what does that do for the consumer? .
Any honest, logical and pragmatic view would see this as misleading and detrimental to the actual safety of consumers.
This shows a lack of integrity as well as a lack of concern for genuine safety of Pets and their Owners.
So your negative comments should be directed at Gunner and CPS, not at 4x4 North America.
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On the opposite side of this discussion is The Truth About Pet Safety.
This is a test showing how each cage performs when installed as recommended by the manufactures.
This is also in response to a test done by Gunner that tested Variocage installed in a way we clearly do not recommend.
So, we simply tested the Gunner Kennel the exact same way Gunner actually recommends installing and using their kennels.
The point is, MIM Safe 4x4 North America only recommend our products they way they were actually crash tested and in a way that can be perfectly duplicated and installed by consumers in their vehicle.
MIM Safe and 4x4 North America genuinely actually care about the safety of pets and their human companions. This is the main reason why we post things like this. We are big believers in promoting the Truth About Pet Safety.
4x4 North America supports Freedom of Choice. Whatever products a customer chooses and how they choose to travel is up to them and that is their right. We only wish to educate consumers so they have the facts and understand the risks so they can make the best choice for their lifestyle and application.
This is still a free country ... for now .. and you can choose whatever works best for you and you application.
I hope that helps you better understand the facts involving the the posted video.
Thank you.
and clearly you don't have answers to TQ's questions.
I did indeed answer in painstaking factual detail. It is all there for everyone to see ad very clear and easy to understand. I was not rude and I provide very clear facts for anyone who truly wants real data. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I wish you well.
Oh did not realise he sells variocage. I have seen a video of a similar test on variocage however it is inside trunk of car but i got told quite specifically they are made for the car boot. Only variocage is available in my country so had the choice of which cage made for me. I wont be putting mine in car boot as i need access to boot for my walker and spare tyre, i couldnt lift either the gunner or variocage out if i needed to change tyre.
Richard Casey oh, so you are the owner of multiple accounts shilling for your product. 🤣
so best kennel for pickup truck is Gunner kennel, since Variocage makes nothing for the pickup truck. so this is a hit piece.
Thank you for raising this question and providing me once again the opportunity to prove MIM Safe Products are the ONY Genuinely, Honest and Realistically Crash Tested Pet Safety Transport Products in the world.
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To start, our video is in response to a HIT JOB by Gunner who posted a video first trying to show how our Variocage, when used IMPROPERLY and NOT the way we recommend. performed when hit straight from the top using a 650 or so pound weight.
Our video is in response showing how GUNNER KENNELS, which are NOT genuinely crash tested, performs in an ACTUALLY Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard - (FMVSS-216).
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Our products are designed to go in a vehicle and they are made using a specific type of steel that is malleable and absorbs energy in a crash. This will protect the dog(s) in the event of an accident since it will not reflect energy in to the dog which would break their bones and cause internal bleeding and hemorrhaging in a serious crash.
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If you want a product that has better engineering and protection for dogs in the back of a pickup truck, then look at our Crash Teated MultiCage.
MIM SAFE MULTICAGE
4x4northamerica.com/product/multicage/
While we do not recommend using ANY cage in a Pickup Truck without a Bed Cap, the MIM SAFE MULTICAGE is safer than a GUNNER in this installation due to the malleable steel and genuine Crash Test Engineering of our MIM SAFE MULTICAGE.
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The GUNNER is NOT crash tested for Front, Rear or Rollover impacts.
MIM SAFE Variocage IS properly crash tested for Front, Rear or Rollover impacts.
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The GUNNER does NOT feature a Crumple Zone that absorbs energy in a rear end impact and in fact it will take the force of a rear end crash in to cage and transfer that energy in to the 2nd row seat.
MIM SAFE Variocage DOES have Crumple Zone Engineering that absorbs energy in a rear end impact and in fact it will NOT be impacted or affected by the force of a rear end crash and it will NOT transfer that energy in to the 2nd row seat.
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The GUNNER does NOT feature a Malleable Steel that absorbs energy upon impact from the dog when thrown inside the cage.
MIM SAFE Variocage DOES uses a Malleable Steel that absorbs energy upon impact from the dog when thrown inside the cage.
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The GUNNER does NOT feature a Rear Escape Hatch to remove your dog from a Vehicle in the event of a crash or fire or inability to open a rear cargo door.
MIM SAFE Variocage DOES feature a Rear Escape Hatch to remove your dog from a Vehicle in the event of a crash or fire or inability to open a rear cargo door.
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The GUNNER does NOT make efficient use of space to provide ample room for a dog due to the Rectangular Design and the much smaller inner dimensions verses the outer dimension.
MIM SAFE Variocage DOES make efficient use of space to provide ample room for a dog due to the Sloped & Angular Design that offers the MAXIMUM amount of room for a dog in a cargo space.
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GUNNER did NOT use thorough, proper or accepted Crash Test Automotive Methodology that could be reproduced in the real world.
MIM SAFE Variocage DID use thorough, proper or accepted Crash Test Automotive Methodology that could be reproduced in the real world.
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GUNNER did NOT use thorough, proper or accepted Crash Test Automotive Methodology that could be reproduced in the real world.
MIM SAFE Variocage DID use thorough, proper or accepted Crash Test Automotive Methodology that could be reproduced in the real world.
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GUNNER did NOT use Crash Test Engineers with Biomechanics Engineering, Training or experience that can design products for the safety of both HUMANS and K9's in a real world accident.
MIM SAFE Variocage DID use Crash Test Engineers with Biomechanics Engineering, Training and experience that can design products for the safety of both HUMANS and K9"s in a real world accident.
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Here is the data below plus a link to show you what happens to ANY Roth-Molded Cage in a genuine Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS-216) Rollover Test.
czcams.com/video/33v173Y9BeU/video.html
I also posted some links and information below that help you understand the Facts, Science and Engineering behind real Crash Safety Engineered products like ours verses the others who make this claim.
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NOTE: The Metal used in our Variocage is AST-A366 Steel which is Malleable by design for Biomechanics Engineering purposes.
In simple terms, the metal used in all of our products is malleable so it will about energy and take it away form the dog verses reflecting that energy back in to the dog which can easily cause serious injury or worse.
The metal will wrap around the dog's skeletal structure and absorb energy. This is crucial to avoid breaking the dogs bones and avoiding internal bleeding and hemorrhaging.
In addition, the malleable steel is highly resistant to fracturing so it will NOT the metal does NOT become a lacerating, puncturing or penetrating object for the dog.
Roto=Molded Cages have 8 Edges and 8 Corners that can fail on impact creating sharp edges and failing in a way that can allow the dog to be ejected or harmed in a very serious way..
Our Crash Test Engineers deign Variocage to work in harmony with your vehicle's safety features. This includes the Crumple Zone which is CRITICAL to safety not just for your Dogs but for Human Occupants as well.
The other company made this video using a test they created that they believed they can pass comparing it to our cage being used the way we do NOT recommend ANY cage be installed or used n a Pickup Truck.
We made our video in response showing what happens in a Real World Crash Test installed the way the other company ACTUALLY recommends using the cage.
We consider this important information for Consumers in an effort to educate then n the Truth About Safe Pet Travel.
Here is the other company’s Video that this video is on response to.
czcams.com/video/JdKf-4h7EAA/video.html
they
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I suggest you do the research and here are some links that will provide you with actual scientific data and facts regarding Real World Testing of our Products the way they can actually installed and used in your vehicle.
For that reason I will post a reply separately that provides you with all as well as any others reading this with facts, data, information and scientific documentation that will prove data that is honest, true and accurate.
Thank you.
Rich
Not a realistic rollover impact except in the event that the crate hit the end of a guardrail or concrete pole. In that case, NO crate would survive (speaking as a motorcycle rider).
This is a Federal Motor Vehicle FMVSS-216 Rollover Standard Test. It is very real and how they test for rollovers. We are laying out the Facts. Do you some genuine research. The claim that a cage is crash tested would lead one to think it is crash tested the way you can install it in a vehicle for all possible crash scenarios. Read the thread there is a wealth of information here in the thread about who is marketing honestly and who is not. Thank you.
@@lynne-sheltiesrock2322 Thank you for a very intelligent and very important question! The short answer is no or at at least none that we have tested or know of.
This video was made specifically to debate a claim and a video made by Gunner about Variocage.
We have additional footage of Front and Rear Crash Scenarios as well but we only responded to the claim Gunner made about Variocage.
In fact, we have tested all cages that makes claims about being crash tested and most that do not make specific claims but but promote them as safe.
None passed the same Crash Test Standard we use for our products which includes Front, Rear and Rollover Crash Scenarios installed using published Government Standards using BOTH a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy.
The FMVSS-216 Rollover Crash Test simulates a real world rollover of a vehicle. The point of impact shown in the video is the same point typically impacted by a vehicle in a rollover accident.
Almost all vehicles today are designed to pass this test. This is why we say state that all crates in a pickup bed must have a cap on the bed to be safe.
Of course, people can do whatever they wish and we respect that right and freedom of choice.
However, to say any cage is safe in a pickup bed without a cap is very misleading.
Variocage has a 17 Year Track Record of Safety and nobody compares when it comes to design, engineering, biomechanics, security, safety, utilization of cargo space and ventilation combined.
Our Genuinely Crash Tested Variocage is designed to be used in a vehicle with a roof or in a pickup with a cap.
We take safety very seriously and would never make any statement or promote any misinformation that would endanger the lives of people or animals while traveling in a vehicle.
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Please, by all means, ask any question you want. I can answer almost all questions on this topic and back it up with real works scientific tests, data, crash test reports, engineering reports, crash dynamics and more published by reputable 3rd parties as well as real automotive crash test engineers.
Thank you.
Tell me you work for variocage without telling me you work for variocage
And an unsecured dog inside a car is absolutely no better then this
So, show me what happens to the veriocrate with the same impact on a corner. I'm not denying what your are saying, but I'm not seeing any veriocrates built for the back of a pickup. Gunner crates are marketed towards the hunter who may not have room for their full hunting party in the cab with them. Also, any crate is a safety tool. You have to decide which one is best for what you are doing. For me, I don't plan on ever owning an SUV so the veriocrate just isn't for me. It'd also be hard for any person to survive the kind of crash that would cause that kind of damage to that crate in the back of a pickup. People die from crashes every day even though seat belts and airbags are utilized. It's about mitigating the risks. I'm not saying I would toss my dog in a crate in the back and drive for hundreds of miles at highway speeds, but these are built to load up and head to and from the field, not for cross-country trips. Disclaimer- Im a hunter with no dog at the moment, but I'm considering travel crates for purchase when I do take that step.
I understand and accept people have different applications, needs or requirements. I know for a fact that getting on a motorcycle is dangerous and I have the permanent injuries to prove it. I am painfully reminded every day of this fact. We are not trying to sell you a cage. We are simply tying to educate and inform the public by providing them with facts and scientific data so they can make the best choice for their application.
With thats said, I think you are missing some important points.
* We do not claim or recommend any cage for installation in the bed of a pickup without a cap.
* We do not claim our cage is safe in the back of a pickup in a rollover without a cap ... but Gunner does.
* Clearly the video tells a different story.
Gunner released a video that states their cage is safe in a rollover and Variocage is not. This video is our response to that claim. The video clearly shows the Gunner Kennel fails when tested using published Government Automotive Safety Standards for Rollover Accidents.
The bottom line is this.
* We do not recommend ANY cage for installation in pickup bed without a cap.
* We would never mislead anyone with marketing hype especially when it comes to a safety product.
* We only publish factual, scientific information and we let the public decide what is best for their application.
Whatever you choose is up to you. We respect the fact that your application and acceptable level of risk is whatever you feel comfortable with.
As long as you are aware of the facts then whatever you choose to buy is fine. We just do not want people traveling believing something that is not true.
This i still a free country ... for now .. and you can choose whatever works best for you and you application.
I hope that helps you better understand why I posted this video.
This test is a simulation of the FMVSS 216 Government Automotive Safety Standard the way EACH manufacturer recommend their cage for use.
Variocage is the ONLY dog transport cage in the world that has been tested for Front, Rear & Rollover impacts using Government Automotive Safety Standards when used and installed recommended.
Variocage is the ONLY dog transport cage in the world that has been tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy protecting both you, your passengers and your dogs in an accident.
4x4 North America does not recommend ANY crate in the back of a pickup truck WITHOUT a cap including a Variocage. With a cap, it is OK. Without a cap, none if the cages on the market meet Government Automotive Safety Standards for all three (3) scenarios ... Front, Rear & Rollover Impact ... including Gunner.
The point of the video is that Gunner recommends their crate for use in a way that not only has not been tested but in a way that fails Government Automotive Safety Standards. In fact, Gunner was only tested in a Front Crash Test that CANNOT be reproduced in a real world application.
In addition, Gunner has not tested their cage for Front, Rear & Rollover Accidents Government Automotive Safety Standards. However, they claim they pass crash testing.
If you genuinely care, then please do you research educate yourself on The Truth About Pet Safety safety and learn the facts before passing judgement or making statements or claims that are not backed up by science, engineering, testing in a real world application.
ANY crate in the back of a pickup is subject to failure in an accident. Especially Roto-Molded cages which are very vulnerable to shattering, breaking and failing from impacts on corners and edges. Read more below.
You seem to be missing the point. We do NOT recommend traveling with a Variocage in a Pickup Bed without a cap. Same goes for Gunner. This is not recommend because the exposed cages cannot stand up to a rollover impact if exposed. Variocage is designed to be used in an SUV, Minivan or Pickup Truck with a cap. We re being clear and up front that NO cage is recommended for use in a pick bed without ca, No matter what brand there is, none will do well a direct hit in a rollover.
@@4x4northamerica97 No, I believe you seem to be vauge with the point. At no time in the average editing of the video did you state that you do not recommend a crate in an open pick up bed, you just showed the footage of a Gunner kennel being destroyed. Useless. How about offering a solution in the video or title, since you are claiming to be looking out for myself and my dogs best interest. By not doing so you come off as just another hater of roto-molded dog kennels and biased towards your vario cage sponsors. It explains your 28 subscribers. No way would I want the wrecking ball of a dog kennel in the cab of my truck, minivan, or suv. None of these vehicles have tie downs for securing a load.
You know, I have been looking at high quality crates for our new Dutch Shepherd and came across this video. (I agree with it being stupid) but from the business practices and from my own best judgment, I am buying a Gunner G1. It will fit inside our air conditioned Transit Van, just right.
I agree that every consumer should make their own choices. If interested in learning abut safe pet travel, feel free to read what I have posted in the comments if yuo care to learn more. If not, that is fine as well. :)
FYI - This video is in repose to a misleading video Gunner posted about Variocage. I have covered this in detail in the comments posted in this thread.
We believe everyone should buy what they believe is right for them as long they understand what they are buying is not genuinely living up to claim made by the manufacture. The point is, 4x4 North America oddly NEVER mislead customer in order to make a sale. We actually care about saving lives.
Also, I have explained numerous times, this was in response to a rigged video that Gunner Posted as well as the reverse engineered crash test and claims they make that can NBOT be reproduced in any vehicle on the market.
Therefore we state and live by this promise.
Your commitment to your pet is for life ... so is ours.
Rich Casey
4x4 North America, Inc.
@@4x4northamerica97 doesn't matter if the method is flawed in the test. At least gunner compared each kennel the same way. If you want to bash a kennel, put yours up to the same exact test. Doesnt matter how you say your kennel should be installed, but it to whatever test you put others through.
@@anikalaritskaya8335 - Sorry to say, it does matter when it comes to saving lives which many pets parent care about. Not only for the dogs but for the family and loved ones in the vehicle as well.
If someone creates a test that is not a real word test that you cannot reproduce in a real world environment or your vehicle then it must both people and dogs at risk.
The point is we do not recommend anyone put ANY kennel of ANY kind in the back of a pick up truck. Gunner DOES recommend this so we showed what happens in a real world FMVSS 216 Crash Test Standard Simulation to a Gunner when impacted on an edge.
Most important is that ALL Roto-Molded Cages, the Gunner included, will shatter when hit in a corner or an edge. This is common due to the way Moto-Molded cages are manufactured and constructed.
Also, any kennel without a crumple zone, such as the Gunner and others, will fail in a rear end crash. Especially the doors which allows a dog to be escape and run in to traffic which can lead to potential serious or fatal injury or the woods where they can get lost.
Worse, is when these Moto-Molded and doors fail ad the dog is windowfatal
Gunner also did not test for Front, Rear, Rollover and Side impacts in an SUV, Station Wagon Van.
4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/
Was curious about the crash tests ratings on all kennels after getting my hunting dog but I think I made the right choice on kennel
Hi - If wish to learn more about the facts, you can visit the link below of call us for an overview. Simply said, no other kennel passes real word crash safety testing. It is easy to claim to be crash tested using flawed crash test methodology. However, it is very different when it comes to real world crash scenarios.
No other Kennel features the Life Saving Biomechanics and Crumple Zone Engineering of our Real Crash Tested Variocage, Multicage, VarioBarrier, Care-2 and our other products offer.
No other manufacturer meets the real world crash safety that our products provide to protect both human and canines in the event of an accident.
Our product also make more efficient use of space, offer much better ventilation, feature locking doors and have a proven 18 year track record of safety.
The issue with ALL Moto-MOlded Cages has to do with the manufacturing process. Stretching a plastic sheet over a rotating metal mold causes the corners and edges to heat-up, stretch and become more brittle. For this reason, Roto-Molded cages cannot withstand high impacts to the corners or edges.
A dog can easily become a 3,000 to 5,000 pound projectile in an accident. This is where our Biomechanics Engineering becomes extremely critical to the survival of the dog(s).
In addition, all the other cages we tested failed in many ways when subjected to our Crash Test Methods and all of the Door failed immediately. Placing ANY cage in a Pickup without a cap is not safe especially in a rollover accident.
I am happy to share more if you want detailed information everything related to safety is published on our website.
However, our website has so much information available that it may be a bit tricky to navigate.
I am including the following information with links that should answer at least 98% of your questions if not more.
If there is anything I missed please call me directly so I can better assist you with any documentation you need related top our Crash Test Engineering, Crash Test Methodology, Government Crash Test Standards, Government Crash Test Facilities and anything else you may need.
We are the ONLY Company in the World that offers Real Crash Tested Pet Transport Safety Products.
We use Published Government Crash Test Standards accepted Worldwide to test our products.
All documentation is online on our www.4xenorthamerica.com website.
We use a combination of Crash Test Standards, not just one, to assure the safety of Human Occupants and Canines in the event of a crash. Depending on the products, we us a combination of at least 3 of the following Published Crash Test Standards for every products we offer and sometimes more.
* ISO 27955
* ECE R-17
* ECE R-44
* DIN-75410-2
In addition, we go above and beyond by using the Safe Pet Crash Test Standard - (SPCT) as well as TUV Standards for testing as well for some of our products.
Pet Safety & Travel Links
4x4northamerica.com/pet-safety-and-travel-links/
Depending on the product, of our testing was done by SP Technical Research Institute a 100% Government owned Agency in Sweden as well as Certifications and Testing Standards approved by TUV in Germany as well as other authorities and agencies.
SP Technical Research Institute
www.ri.se/sv?refdom=www.sp.se
ADAC Technical Institute
www.adac.de/der-adac/unsere-verantwortung/adac-technik-zentrum/
TUV
www.tuv.com/usa/en/product-certification.html
A copy of a Crash Test Report can be found at the following Weblink.
MIM Safe Variocage - Safety & Testing
4x4northamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mim-safe-variocage-safety-testing.pdf
There is much, much more but I think you will find everything you would ever care to know about our products is published on our website for everyone to see and evaluate.
Simply said, no other Kennel or Cage Manufacturer in the world company in the world does what MIM Safe has been doing for 37 years and no other company has the engineering, testing and history of safety that we offer with our products and our expertise.
Real Crash Tested Pet Transport Safety Products is our ONLY business and as you can see, we take genuinely saving lives very seriously.
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i just bought this crate. I did find it very odd that the manufacturers were advocating, all over their website, putting the crate outside in the bed of the pickup. First, the target market seems to be Southerners, which means very hot summers. I wouldn't want my dog out in 95 degree NC heat -- he's staying in the cabin with the A/C. I would also be concerned about debris and direct impact in the case of a crash, as shown by the video. My family will stick to keeping our Gunner Kennel tied down in the back of our SUV cabin with at least some protection from direct collision, road debris, and the elements. I do believe that this is still, in all likelihood, the toughest kennel out there. I just see it as a major marketing failure to show dogs relegated to the truck bed. Didn't Mitt Romney get burned in the 2012 election when it came to light that he crated a dog and put it on the roof rack of his car? Not a cool thing to do to Fido.
I have yet to see another kennel that can do what Gunner does in the back of a truck. Now put it in a SUV, it has to be the best. Now what I find odd about the makers of Variocage is they have replied to every comment I've looked at. Every. Single. One. If they have to do that, I personally wouldn't trust their crates with my dogs life. I've seen real world application of Gunner Kennels in the back of trucks. Rear, front, and roll over crashes. Not one of those crates were crushed.
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Basically, our issues with “Safety Products Companies and Agencies” have to do with the fact that their test methodology is flawed and seems to designed to favor their test method verses any real world use or application. In other words, their test methods are not practical and cannot be reproduced or duplicated by any consumer. In fact, their test methods are strictly theoretical and often seem designed to achieve a specific outcome favorable to their products verses real safety and real testing for real world sue and application. You can decide for yourself what this means and why they do this.
For example, if you read the information on this page here...
4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/
… you sill see that manufacturers and testing agencies consistently make false claims using flawed test methodology that cannot be reproduced in the real world.
I tell you this only so you understand that there are people out there that put marketing and the sale of their product over and above the Truth About Pet Safety.
At 4x4 North America, we ONLY post the facts about our products.
All of our facts are based on real scientific testing by 3rd parties and outside agencies.
All of our testing is in compliance with with Government Safety Standards accepted Worldwide.
All of our testing is done in compliance with how are products are actually used by the end user in a real world application.
Our goal is to educate people and let them make their own informed choices about how they choose to travel with their pets.
Here are a few verifiable and documented facts about our products which may help you determine the viability and honesty of the sources of information out there on the web.
Variocage is the ONLY honestly, genuinely and realistically crash tested dog transport kennel in the world.
* MIM Safe manufactures over 350 Crash Tested products for people, dogs and cats that are meet Government Automotive Safety Standards Worldwide.
* MIM Safe even manufactures a safety jumping gate for horse trials approved by the FÉDÉRATION EQUESTRE INTERNATIONALE.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog cage in the WORLD tested and certified for front, rear and roll over impacts that protects BOTH human occupants and dogs.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world that will not do harm to a 2nd row occupant in a read end collision. This includes a baby in a baby seat.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world with a crumple zone which is critical for safety.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world manufactured with malleable AST A366 Steel which is also critical for safety.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world crash tested using multiple government crash test standards.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world crash tested front, read and rollover accidents.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world crash tested the way you actually install the cage in your vehicle.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world crash testing proper crash test methodology
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world designed and engineered by real Automotive Crash Test Engineers that we keep on Staff.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world that has been proven safe with over 15 years of history.
* Variocage is the ONLY crash tested dog transport kennel in the world manufactured by a Company experienced with Crash Tested Automotive Products since the 1980’s.
* MIM Variocage is the ONLY proven crash tested dog cage in the WORLD that has a perfect track record of safety since it was introduced 15 years ago.
* You can find our Government Crash Test Results & Certification here:
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Different cultures. Stick to your SUV and us Southerners will stick to the pickup truck.
Would like to see multiple brands under this same test.
I am not sure if you are getting the point. No other manufacturer I know of "claims" their cage is crash tested for use in the back of a pickup bed with no Cap.
The point is simple. Gunner has NOT done thorough crash testing more have they used proper test methodology that can be duplicated in any v heckle on the planet.
In addition, Gunner did NOT test for Front Rear and Rollover Impacts in a Vehicle using BOTH a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Crash Test Dummy.
There are NO cages, crates or kennels on the market that are tested and approved for use in a Pickup Bed WITHOUT a BED CAP.
The point is this. If a manufacturer fails to use proper and thorogh and real world crash test methodology that cannot be reproduced in teh real world, the integrity of the statement and the marketing is in serious question.
Variocage does NOT recommend using their cages or ANY other Crate or Kennel in a Pickup without a BED CAP. Period.
Please visit these links for more real 3rd party evaluations of the Gunner and CPS Testing. You will see the crash test methodology used is serious flawed and not reproducible in ANY vehicle on the market. That is the point of this post.
Here are the links:
4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/
player.vimeo.com/video/171395676
4x4northamerica.com/category/real-life-stories/
MIM Safe is the ONLY manufacturer on the world that thoroughly tests our Crash Tested Pet Safety Products for Multiple Crash Scenarios such as Front, Rear and Rollover Impacts with both a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy installed in a vehicle the way you as a the end use can actually install and use the product.
We keep everyone in the vehicle safe, not just the dog.
I am getting the point but thank you.
My own dogs do not and WILL NOT ride in the bed of a pick up so your argument is lost on me. They ride within my SUV. Thank you, though.
@@angie4now438 Good., They you should really read the info at the links I sent you. Without A crumple zone like Variocage, the cage will take the full force of an impact, which can easily meet or exceed 80,000lbs, and the cage will become a battering ram until it is damaged or broken in a crash. You should really do some more research.
I will check out the links. I have watched a lot of videos of all kinds including multiple brands and willing to look at more. I am willing to see and read more.
Now put the gunner inside the SUV like you did with the variocage and post the video…. Oh wait, you won’t. Gotta love biased “tests.”
Oh here’s a link to a video of the “superior” variocage crumpling like a beer can on a sled test. czcams.com/video/_99m1-33_XU/video.html
That’s one dead dog
Bunch of people missing the point. Probably bc they like the marketing style of Gunner, and post BRCC such pandering should be seen for what it is. This company isn't saying its kennel would survive that. It's saying Gunner tested its product outside of recommended installation, while they're testing Gunner's product per recommended installation and proving according to a Gov't standard that it isn't capable of doing what it claims. Really odd how people accuse all kinds of malice when facts are delivered soberly, almost like they're salty bc they spent $800 on a lie and would rather call someone smug and of bad character than learn what ad hominem means.
Lol wow! You just wasted $800 nice!
Would you be able to do the same test and post for the dakota 283 ?
I want to be clear that 4x4 North America, Inc. believes everyone should make choices and compromises based on their own individual needs, lifestyle and budget - no matter what those choices may be. Living life while enjoying what we love to do is important for our happiness and well-being. Not everyone can or will travel in ways that are optimal; I understand and, at times, have been guilty of this myself. We support freedom of choice and respect the fact that different products serve different needs.
However, we also believe consumers are free to make informed choices based on facts and knowledge. 4x4 North America, Inc. believes this choice is critical for consumers when making decisions that impact the life and well-being of their pets, families and loved ones, as well as their own personal safety.
With that said, I must point out a few facts, to correct the record, regarding some of statements I see being made in this thread.
I feel it is important to point out a few of these concerns so consumers can make decisions based on facts, rather than marketing or offhand comments.
I would also question those who promote products as "Crash Safe" without having the qualifications, science or facts to back it up. I personally believe that no company should be making claims or implying otherwise unless there is genuine, scientific, real world crash testing to back it up.
The biggest issue I see is that test which are “made-up” or “ reverse engineered to achieve a desired result is that they do not replicate any real world crash scenario.
The flawed test methodology behind these tests either do not replicate any use, application or installation that can actually be duplicated in a vehicle or a real world scenario. Typically, and in fact, they use test methodology that is not even close to representing what happens in a real world crash scenario.
For example, Roto-molded cages have some inherent issues when it comes to crash safety.
To be specific, Roto-molded cages break if hit with a decent amount of force on an edge or a corner.
Roto-molded structures are stiff and will not form around the dog's bone structures in the event of an impact. For example, the ribs in a dog’s chest.
The entire plastic wall will deflect to some extent, but the problem has to do with the fact that it is not ductile.
When impacted, the wall will give back all the energy consumed by the deflection.
Meaning, once the flexible limit is reached, the impact force will snap back and be directly generated in to whatever hits it which in this case would be the dog.
The dog will also bounce off the wall once that energy is sent back to the dog causing an equally dangerous secondary reaction.
In a side collision, like some of the ones we have seen, it could very well break the ribs or cuase internal damage and bleeding. That of course, is not a soft tissue injury. It is much worse.
Compare this to a Variocage, where the metal parts will bend and form around the bones and absorb energy in a side collision.
This takes the energy away from the dogv erses a the roto-molded cage will have a much more aggressive reaction since it is in fact, nothing more than a non-energy consuming plastic box.
Soft padding does not solve the problem either. The high force levels generated during an accident would require extremely stiff deformable closed cell foam pads to make a difference.
However, it is extremely difficult to balance the crush performance requirements of the padding to the bone strength for all dogs since every dog’s build, weight and bone structure are different.
In addition, a pad that might would be very, very thick and leave no room on the cage for the dog. Even with a pad like this, you still need a good structure to contain the dog safely and to assure they are safe.
The door is also a serious issue which is true on all of the cages we have tested using real world, scientific crash test methodology that is based on published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards.
Also, engineering analysis and physics predict “Ropes & Straps” we currently see used on cages will at best handle a load of 2,000 pounds or less in a real world crash scenario. Typically the straps and ropes used are often rated less than that.
The fact is, collisions can generate extremely high energy and forces far greater than this which can easily exceed tens of thousands of pounds.
Without additional engineering and safety features combined with a proper crash tested installation these other cages will fail in a real world crash scenario.
In addition, plastic buckles are not designed and engineered to handle heavy loads or impacts. We have never found a plastic buckle that can survive a real world crash test and we have tried for years to find one. This is why we only use Mil Spec Metal buckles on our AllSafe Comfort Harness.
Plastic buckles will release and open at much lower levels of impact or applied force. Since the largest loss of dogs in an accident is due to the doors opening and/or the cage breaking and failing to contain the dogs, this is a critical factor to consider.
Truth be told, and to the best of my knowledge, there has been no real world crash testing done for any other cage except MIM Safe Variocage.
In fact, MIM Safe Crash Tested products are the only genuinely, honestly Crash Tested Dog Cages in the world.
Variocage meets all the criteria for Real World Crash testing using a real world sceanrio in multiple crash test senarios using published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards.
The statements about Soft Tissue testing are not sound. In fact, they seem like talking points for our Variocage which actually does address these issues.
Anyone who has researched our products may already know this. Certainly, any dealer of ours knows this because we have discussed it with them during dealer training.
We also post the features, benefits and advantages of genuinely crash tested pet safety products on social media as well to educate consumers and arm them with facts. Again, we believe it is consumer’s choice to make whatever decision is best for them.
There is no one product that is right for everyone based on their individual needs and applications. We believe it is an individual choice that should be based on real data, real science, real facts and real information.
Variocage is the only Crash Tested Pet Transport Cage tested for Front, Rear & Rollover Impacts using both a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy installed in a way that the end user can duplicate easily in their vehicle.
Variocage uses ASTM A366 steel that is designed to absorb energy and flex during impact.
Variocage is actually the only crash tested cage on the market properly engineered to work well with multiple accident scenarios and heavy impacts.
Variocage features an escape hatch for emergencies and also has a 15 year proven track record of safety.
I have much more real world data and facts to share, so if anyone would care to learn more about Safe Pet Travel, please visit the link below.
I am also happy to take calls from anyone who may have questions. Anything I cannot answer I will refer to our team of Crash Test Engineers in Sweden.
In summary, I suggest that everyone should do their own homework and due diligence before making choices that may impact the lives of you, your pets and your loved ones.
“Your commitment to your pet is for life … so is ours”
4x4 North America, Inc.
4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/
player.vimeo.com/video/171395676
player.vimeo.com/video/171395668
4x4northamerica.com/category/real-life-stories/
4x4North America shill harder.
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Here is the data below plus a link to show you what happens to ANY Roth-Molded Cage in a genuine Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS-216) Rollover Test.
czcams.com/video/33v173Y9BeU/video.html
I also posted some links and information below that help you understand the Facts, Science and Engineering behind real Crash Safety Engineered products like ours verses the others who make this claim.
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NOTE: The Metal used in our Variocage is AST-A366 Steel which is Malleable by design for Biomechanics Engineering purposes.
In simple terms, the metal used in all of our products is malleable so it will about energy and take it away form the dog verses reflecting that energy back in to the dog which can easily cause serious injury or worse.
The metal will wrap around the dog's skeletal structure and absorb energy. This is crucial to avoid breaking the dogs bones and avoiding internal bleeding and hemorrhaging.
In addition, the malleable steel is highly resistant to fracturing so it will NOT the metal does NOT become a lacerating, puncturing or penetrating object for the dog.
Roto=Molded Cages have 8 Edges and 8 Corners that can fail on impact creating sharp edges and failing in a way that can allow the dog to be ejected or harmed in a very serious way..
Our Crash Test Engineers deign Variocage to work in harmony with your vehicle's safety features. This includes the Crumple Zone which is CRITICAL to safety not just for your Dogs but for Human Occupants as well.
The other company made this video using a test they created that they believed they can pass comparing it to our cage being used the way we do NOT recommend ANY cage be installed or used n a Pickup Truck.
We made our video in response showing what happens in a Real World Crash Test installed the way the other company ACTUALLY recommends using the cage.
We consider this important information for Consumers in an effort to educate then n the Truth About Safe Pet Travel.
Here is the other company’s Video that this video is on response to.
czcams.com/video/JdKf-4h7EAA/video.html
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I suggest you do the research and here are some links that will provide you with actual scientific data and facts regarding Real World Testing of our Products the way they can actually installed and used in your vehicle.
For that reason I will post a reply separately that provides you with all as well as any others reading this with facts, data, information and scientific documentation that will prove data that is honest, true and accurate.
Thank you.
Rich
That was the lamest crash simulation that I have seen. I'm still getting a Gunner.... Buy American.
This is a Federal Motor Vehicle FMVSS-216 Rollover Standard Test. It is very real and how they test for rollovers. We are laying out the Facts. Do you some genuine research. The claim that a cage is crash tested would lead one to think it is crash tested the way you can install it in a vehicle for all possible crash scenarios. Read the thread there is a wealth of information here in the thread about who is marketing honestly and how is not. Thank you.
could you post a link to a US rollover certification test that uses the same mechanism on an autobody. I'm only aware of the slow pressure tests that determine if the safety cage of the vehicle can support its weight. The odds of the forces in this test being replicated similarly in a real life senerio seem slim to me. As we all know automakers spend millions on safety engineering and implementation and even they can't design to make every possible scenario survivable.
FMVSS-216 - www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/tp-216-05.pdf
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy to provide safety for BOTH Human and Canine occupants.
Variocage has survived more Front, Tear, Rollover and Side impacts exceeding 60+, 70+ and 80+ MPH that saved BOTH the dogs and the human occupants from harm.
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel with a Crumple Zone that survives a Rear End Impact while protecting 2nd row occupants from the serious or fatal injury.
Variocage features an Escape Hatch to allow you to get your dogs out of the vehicle in the event of a fire or a rear cargo door that cannot be opened.
Variocage is the ONLY Crash Tested Kennel that uses Biomechanics Engineering to absorb and take energy away from the dog to prevent the dog from suffering from broken bones, internal bleeding and internal hemorrhaging.
This demonstrates a rollover accident with the Gunner Kennel installed as recommended by the manufacturer. This test duplicates a government standard for rollover crash testing.
The fact is, molded cages like the Gunner are known to be weak and do not do so well when it comes to impacts on the edges and corners. So, the point is not which crate if any would would survive.
The takeaway from this is that the manufacturer recommended using their crate in this manner which they claim is crash tested. You can sort out how you feel about that.
I can say that this is an accurate and scientific demonstration of a rollover accident based on Government Standards for testing in rollover accidents.
The only Dog Cage in the world that passes crash testing for front, rear and rollover impacts with BOTH Canine AND Human Occupants using Published Government Automotive Safety Standards is the MIM Safe Variocage.
Id be interested in seeing variocage (heard gunner and vario are two best) with same test as iam getting one. I dont think that would survive either even an amoured car or tank wouldnt survive that. However, i was told by retailer that they are recommended for car boots not on back of pickup. Im putting mine between the front and rear seat as i wont be able to access spate tyre. With the high cost want this to be the one and only i buy unless in a crash then itll be replaced.
The Variocage is the ONY Crash Tested Pet Transport Kennel tested for Front, Rear & Rollover Impacts with documented real world side and rear impacts up to 70mph including numerous rollovers with no injuries to human or canine occupants. Variocage has a 15 year track record of safety which nobody else can match. Variocage is the ONLY Crash tested cage that is tested using both a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy to assure safety of both human and canine occupants. Variocage is the ONLY crash tested transport cage in the wrk with a crumple zone that is tested the way you can actually install it in your vehicle. Look closely at other tests such as the Gunner. They are using a 6" or better steel sled with Four (4) 10,000 pound load hooks and very high strength straps with NO 2nd row seat or human crash test dummy in place and they only test for a front end collision. This is not a real world test you can duplicate in your vehicle and they do not test for Front, Rear, Rollover and Side impacts. In addition, Variocage is designed with Biomechanics in mind and uses ASTM A366 Steel which s malleable and deigned to absorb impacts and wrap and mold itself around the skeletal structure of a dog to avoid breaking bones and avoid internal bleeding or hemorrhaging. Roto-Molded cages are not engineered with Biomechanics in mind. Also, due to the material and manufacturing process Root-Molded cages have 16 weak points due to the stretching of the plastic over a rotational mold. The fragile points include the all 8 Corners and all 8 edges. I will post some links with more info so you read more about the Roto-Molded cages and proper crash tests design.
I want to be clear that 4x4 North America, Inc. believes everyone should make choices and compromises based on their own individual needs, lifestyle and budget - no matter what those choices may be. Living life while enjoying what we love to do is important for our happiness and well-being. Not everyone can or will travel in ways that are optimal; I understand and, at times, have been guilty of this myself. We support freedom of choice and respect the fact that different products serve different needs.
However, we also believe consumers are free to make informed choices based on facts and knowledge. 4x4 North America, Inc. believes this choice is critical for consumers when making decisions that impact the life and well-being of their pets, families and loved ones, as well as their own personal safety.
With that said, I must point out a few facts, to correct the record, regarding some of statements I see being made in this thread.
I feel it is important to point out a few of these concerns so consumers can make decisions based on facts, rather than marketing or offhand comments.
I would also question those who promote products as "Crash Safe" without having the qualifications, science or facts to back it up. I personally believe that no company should be making claims or implying otherwise unless there is genuine, scientific, real world crash testing to back it up.
The biggest issue I see is that test which are “made-up” or “ reverse engineered to achieve a desired result is that they do not replicate any real world crash scenario.
The flawed test methodology behind these tests either do not replicate any use, application or installation that can actually be duplicated in a vehicle or a real world scenario. Typically, and in fact, they use test methodology that is not even close to representing what happens in a real world crash scenario.
For example, Roto-molded cages have some inherent issues when it comes to crash safety.
To be specific, Roto-molded cages break if hit with a decent amount of force on an edge or a corner.
Roto-molded structures are stiff and will not form around the dog's bone structures in the event of an impact. For example, the ribs in a dog’s chest.
The entire plastic wall will deflect to some extent, but the problem has to do with the fact that it is not ductile.
When impacted, the wall will give back all the energy consumed by the deflection.
Meaning, once the flexible limit is reached, the impact force will snap back and be directly generated in to whatever hits it which in this case would be the dog.
The dog will also bounce off the wall once that energy is sent back to the dog causing an equally dangerous secondary reaction.
In a side collision, like some of the ones we have seen, it could very well break the ribs or cause internal damage and bleeding. That of course, is not a soft tissue injury. It is much worse.
Compare this to a Variocage, where the metal parts will bend and form around the bones and absorb energy in a side collision.
This takes the energy away from the dogs verses a the roto-molded cage will have a much more aggressive reaction since it is in fact, nothing more than a non-energy consuming plastic box.
Soft padding does not solve the problem either. The high force levels generated during an accident would require extremely stiff deformable closed sell foam pads to make a difference.
However, it is extremely difficult to balance the crush performance requirements of the padding to the bone strength for all dogs since every dog’s build, weight and bone structure are different.
In addition, a pad that might would be very, very thick and leave no room on the cage for the dog. Even with a pad like this, you still need a good structure to contain the dog safely and to assure they are safe.
The door is also a serious issue which is true on all of the cages we have tested using real world, scientific crash test methodology that is based on published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards.
Also, engineering analysis and physics predict “Ropes & Straps” we currently see used on cages will at best handle a load of 2,000 pounds or less in a rear end crash. Typically the straps and ropes used are often rated less than that.
The fact is, collisions can generate extremely high energy and forces far greater than this which can easily exceed tens of thousands of pounds.
Without additional engineering and safety features combined with a proper crash tested installation these other cages will fail in a real world crash scenario.
In addition, plastic buckles are not designed and engineered to handle heavy loads or impacts. We have never found a plastic buckle that can survive a real world crash test and we have tried for years to find one. This is why we only use Mil Spec Metal buckles on our AllSafe Comfort Harness.
Plastic buckles will release and open at much lower levels of impact or applied force. Since the largest loss of dogs in an accident is due to the doors opening and/or the cage breaking and failing to contain the dogs, this is a critical factor to consider.
Truth be told, and to the best of my knowledge, there has been no real world crash testing done for any other cage except MIM Safe Variocage.
In fact, MIM Safe Crash Tested products are the only genuinely, honestly Crash Tested Dog Cages in the world.
Variocage meets all the criteria for Real World Crash testing using a real world scenario in multiple crash test scenarios using published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards.
The statements about Soft Tissue testing are not sound. In fact, they seem like talking points for our Variocage which actually does address these issues.
Anyone who has researched our products may already know this. Certainly, any dealer of ours knows this because we have discussed it with them during dealer training.
We also post the features, benefits and advantages of genuinely crash tested pet safety products on social media as well to educate consumers and arm them with facts. Again, we believe it is consumer’s choice to make whatever decision is best for them.
There is no one product that is right for everyone based on their individual needs and applications. We believe it is an individual choice that should be based on real data, real science, real facts and real information.
Variocage is the only Crash Tested Pet Transport Cage tested for Front, Rear & Rollover Impacts using both a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy installed in a way that the end user can duplicate easily in their vehicle.
Variocage uses ASTM A366 steel that is designed to absorb energy and flex during impact.
Variocage is actually the only crash tested cage on the market properly engineered to work well with multiple accident scenarios and heavy impacts.
Variocage features an escape hatch for emergencies and also has a 15 year proven track record of safety.
I have much more real world data and facts to share, so if anyone would care to learn more about Safe Pet Travel, I will post some additional information in this forum as I have done in the past.
I am also happy to take calls from anyone who may have questions. Anything I cannot answer I will refer to our team of Crash Test Engineers in Sweden.
In summary, I suggest that everyone should do their own homework and due diligence before making choices that may impact the lives of you, your pets and your loved ones.
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@@4x4northamerica97 im the proud owner of variocage brought off nz distributor. the best money ive spent. expensive but looks like its built tough and will protect my dog so looks the part. i was impressed with the crash tests and had to have one.
This video is dumb. LOL.
Maybe not so dumb for those that travel with their pets and family and want to know the Truth About Safe Pet Travel.
Not if you understood the context and reason for its publication.
Hey yall, this video is trash. A Gunner Kennel is THE SAFEST KENNEL on the market. I know a guy who had his dog thrown a hundred yards down the road in this crate and his boy was shaken up but fine.
It is only dumb if you are unaware of the truth. Check the link below and get yourself up to speed on some facts.
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This test is a simulation of the FMVSS 216 Government Automotive Safety Standard the way EACH manufacturer recommend their cage for use.
Variocage is the ONLY dog transport cage in the world that has been tested for Front, Rear & Rollover impacts using Government Automotive Safety Standards when used and installed recommended.
Variocage is the ONLY dog transport cage in the world that has been tested using a Human Crash Test Dummy and a Dog Dummy protecting both you, your passengers and your dogs in an accident.
4x4 North America does not recommend ANY crate in the back of a pickup truck WITHOUT a cap including a Variocage. With a cap, it is OK. Without a cap, none if the cages on the market meet Government Automotive Safety Standards for all three (3) scenarios ... Front, Rear & Rollover Impact ... including Gunner.
The point of the video is that Gunner recommends their crate for use in a way that not only has not been tested but in a way that fails Government Automotive Safety Standards. In fact, Gunner was only tested in a Front Crash Test that CANNOT be reproduced in a real world application.
In addition, Gunner has not tested their cage for Front, Rear & Rollover Accidents Government Automotive Safety Standards. However, they claim they pass crash testing.
If you genuinely care, then please do your research & educate yourself on The Truth About Pet Safety. Learn the facts before passing judgement or making statements or claims that are not backed up by science, engineering, testing in a real world application.
I have seen crash tests done on a tray type device gunner passed flying colors but variocage had some deformation and the tie downs broke.would this not simulate the effect on back of pickup truck or ute. Iam buying a variocage so just asking out of interest.
lol well we all know who you're sponsored by...
@@leerag I will post some links that deconstruct the CPS Testing and reveals their highly flawed Test Methodology. Most important, despite CPS best efforts to make it appear the Variocage would fail, it did not. The Variocage performed flawlessly despite being improperly installed. The dog was contained and there was no injury to the dog whatsoever. The idea is to contain the dog safely until you can get them out of the cage under your control. Variocage features a rear escape hatch for this reason. In many rear end impacts, the cargo door cannot be opened. With Variocage you flip down your 2nd row seats and let the dog out through our escape hatch. MIM Safe Variocage uses a Swedish government agency for testing that is not affiliated with our company in any way. During our testing the agency must read the instructions and install the Variocage exactly as illustrated. CPS did not do this. So not only did CPS fail to function as a legitimate test agency, they appear suspect for failing to follow protocol. CPS did not put the straps through BOTH slots on the Variocage frame. They only used one. However, that is not critical. The straps are designed to break so the Variocage Crumple Zone works as designed. Without a crumple zone the damage in a 30mph rear end collision is devastating if using a solid cage without a crumple zone in the Cargo Space. A 30mph rear end collision at a stop light with an average 4,000 pound vehicle will generate about 80,000 pounds of force in 80 milliseconds. A solid cage without a crumple zone will first and foremost defeat the safety engineering of your vehicle by obstructing the crumple zone of your vehicle. Instead, the cage will take the full impact of that crash and transfer all that energy in to the cage and the backs seat. There are no cages that can take an 80,000 pound hit without failing except for Variocage. In fact we have survived 60mph ver and 70mph side impacts wit no harm to human or canine occupants. We also have a 15 year paved track record. To make matters worse, any passengers in the 2nd row in danger of serious or fatal injury as that 80,000 pounds of energy is transferred in the back seat. In addition, a Square or Rectangular cage up against a 2nd row will typically only make contact at the top of the seat and headrest. This will focus the crash energy and intensify it on this area. The same area where a 2nd row passengers neck and head are typically resting. Variocage avoids all of this due to its angular design that matches the slant of the backs seat. Combined with the Variocage Crumple Zone, this will conformably distribute the forces over a wider surface area while the Crumple Zone absorbs the crash energy in harmony with your vehicle's crumple zone. This allows your vehicle's crumple zone to function as designed and keep explosive crash energy out of the holy f=grail of safety which in the interior space of your vehicle. I will post links below with information from a 3rd party that dismantles CPS testing methodology and exposes it as seriously flawed.
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Hi Hippie Bits,
The conclusion is right, this is not an exact government test standard, this test was performed using similar angles but it is a dynamic test. The government test standard is connected to the curb weight of the car and this fact makes a dynamic test impossible although it would be far better, compared to the Side Pole Crash Test.
The real intension is to show that there is a significant difference putting a cage inside a car and putting it on a bed. We do not recommend any that cage be used in the bed of a Pickup Truck without a bed cap as there it is a very poor protection. Variocage is recommended for use they way it was crash tested inside of a vehicle.
We recently had an accident with a VarioCage showing that this is by far a realistic scenario. If this would have been an open bed there would be small chances of having the dogs alive afterwards. Also the Side Pole Test hitting the bed in front of the rear axle would cause significant intrusion crushing any cage placed closer to the front of the bed. So never ever use a bed if you really treasure your companion. I can send you an image of this crash if you like.
WHAT IS GENUINELY CRASH SAFE?
I question those who promote products as “Crash Safe” without having the qualifications, science or facts to back it up. I personally believe that no company should be making claims or implying otherwise unless there is genuine, scientific, real world crash testing to back it up. Again, the biggest issue I see is when tests are “made-up” or “reverse engineered to achieve a desired result is that they do not replicate any real world crash scenario.
The flawed test methodology behind these the majority of tests either do not replicate a use, application or installation that can actually be duplicated in a vehicle or a real world scenario. Typically, and in fact, they use test methodology that is not even close to representing what happens in a real world crash scenario.
What is genuinely crash safe?
You can lear more at these links.
SAFETY & TESTING KNOWLEDGE CENTER
4x4northamerica.com/safety-and-testing/
VIDEOS
4x4northamerica.com/video-archive/
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ROTO-MOLDED PLASTIC DOG CAGES
We do not recommend any Plastic Roto-Molded Cage with respect to Crash Safety for a variety of reasons.
Please read why as noted below.
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ROTO-MOLDED CAGES / SAFETY HARNESSES vs. CRASH TESTED MIM SAFE / KLEINMETALL PRODUCTS
For example, Roto-molded cages have some inherent issues when it comes to crash safety.
To be specific, Roto-molded cages break if hit with a decent amount of force on an edge or a corner.
Roto-molded structures are stiff and will not form around the dog’s bone structures in the event of an impact. For example, the ribs in a dog’s chest.
The entire plastic wall will deflect to some extent, but the problem has to do with the fact that it is not ductile.
When impacted, the wall will give back all the energy consumed by the deflection.
Meaning, once the flexible limit is reached, the impact force will snap back and be directly generated in to whatever hits it which in this case would be the dog.
The dog will also bounce off the wall once that energy is sent back to the dog causing an equally dangerous secondary reaction.
In a side collision, like some of the ones we have seen, it could very well break the ribs or cause internal damage and bleeding. That of course, is not a soft tissue injury. It is much worse.
Compare this to a Variocage, where the metal parts will bend and form around the bones and absorb energy in a side collision.
This takes the energy away from the dogs verses a the roto-molded cage will have a much more aggressive reaction since it is in fact, nothing more than a non-energy consuming plastic box.
Soft padding does not solve the problem either. The high force levels generated during an accident would require extremely stiff deformable closed sell foam pads to make a difference.
However, it is extremely difficult to balance the crush performance requirements of the padding to the bone strength for all dogs since every dog’s build, weight and bone structure are different.
In addition, a pad that might would be very, very thick and leave no room on the cage for the dog. Even with a pad like this, you still need a good structure to contain the dog safely and to assure they are safe.
The door is also a serious issue which is true on all of the cages we have tested using real world, scientific crash test methodology that is based on published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards.
Also, engineering analysis and physics predict “Ropes & Straps” we currently see used on cages will at best handle a load of 2,000 pounds or less in a rear end crash. Typically the straps and ropes used are often rated less than that.
The fact is, collisions can generate extremely high energy and forces far greater than this which can easily exceed tens of thousands of pounds.
Without additional engineering and safety features combined with a proper crash tested installation these other cages will fail in a real world crash scenario.
Truth be told, and to the best of our knowledge, e have yet to see any real world crash testing done for any other cage except MIM Safe Variocage.
In fact, MIM Safe Crash Tested products are the only genuinely, honestly Crash Tested Dog Cages in the world.
Variocage meets all the criteria for Real World Crash testing using a real world scenario in multiple crash test scenarios using published Government Automotive Crash Test Standards.
I agree and what you said does not apply Variocage. We do in fact have all the science, documentation, videos and 15 years history to back up our claims. I will post link below to document this for the record.
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I agree. However, this does not apply to Variocage. We have all of the crash tests documentation, videos and 15 year track record of safety to claims with real science and real world testing. I posted a link above to ur crash test report and I will post more below for our videos along with some science and facts.
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