You won't believe what doctors used to recommend! | Doctor Mike | History Teacher Reacts
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- The history of medicine is a brilliant and often weird thing. In this video, Dr. Mike shows some ways doctors used to treat patients (and it was WIERD). Along the way, Mr. Terry shares the context of these historical times and other examples of bizarre medical treatments.
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What's the strangest medical practice you've ever heard of?!
Leeches
Drilling holes in a persons head to relieve pressure from head trauma.
@@SavageDarknessGames Cranial Trephination. It makes sense really. Not strange, just scary.
I'd like to see the other video near the end!
@@xaviergarcia7965I'm guessing that trepanning would be the caveman version. A sharp stone is placed against the skull and the sharp stone is struck by a blunt stone.
Chemotherapy seems like an obvious one for "practices that will seem barbaric and outdated in the future". I don't think there is going to be a single cure-all for cancer, but treatments for specific cancers are going to become more targeted and less destructive as time goes on.
Yeah. Chemo is basically, "We have no way to directly attack the cancer so we are just going to pump you full of radiation and poisons and hope that it will kill the cancer before it kills you." Thankfully we are starting to get better at targeted radiation beams and detecting cancer early enough to just surgically remove the tumor.
Immunothérapy...that is and will be the future
I had the exact same thought
Was thinking this, too, but like with colonoscopies and malaria therapy, the science isn't wrong. Chemo works as a treatment (not necessarily a cure) and brutal as it is, it's one of few effective treatments medical science has.
But yes, something less hard on the body would be a great breakthrough.
Cancer research works, so someday we'll probably get there. I read once that if Terry Fox got cancer today, not only would he very likely live, he would've kept his leg (look him up if you don't know his story). And that's progress science has made in my lifetime.
Eh, chemotherapy is a very clever technique against cancer. Its side effects are predictable and not all that bad considering the treatment's proven benefit.
Dr. Mike and Mr. Terry, what a nice combo of edutainment
I agree strongly with you.
Rosemary Kennedy, a sister of JFK, got a Lobotomy in the 1940's to "cure" her "temper" and protect the standing of the family (all because of her father and against her will, was majorly impeded after and in need of full time care, iirc ... but still only died in 2005 at 86y of age)
Yep, this was the first case I thought of when they mentioned lobotomy. The sad part as well, was that JFK’s dad did it when the rest of the family wasn’t aware that he had arranged it until it was too late to save her from such a horrible fate.
The horrible irony as well, was that she had actually been getting better as a person and really branching out (as well as not having constant seizures or anything else either). He selfishly reversed all of that growth and basically ruined her life forever.
The desired outcome for lobotomy was "Calm and complacent" so yes they achieved this. Because someone with a frontal cortex injury basically stops having a personality. They become essentially an easily controlled shell of a person. That's why they were so popular.
You should definitely watch the medical devices one as well as Dr Chris Raynor's top 5 insane torture methods from history, there's so much history that you could inform us on in those videos, I believe he's done 2, only if you can handle it, like most history it's pretty dark, disturbing, gross yet interesting 😅
Yes.
Agreed
Dr McCoy in the Star Trek movie sprung to mind, with him giving a kidney patient a couple of tablets, and then saying barbarians I believe 😂
In the British comedy series Horrible Histories, there's a segment called Historical Hospital, in which medical professionals from other time periods treated modern patients. Ex. Dr. Ug from Prehistoric Times, Dr. Hippocrates from Ancient Greece, Dr. Isis from Ancient Egypt (whose methods were actually approved by a modern doctor for the most part), One-Eyed Ned from the Golden Age of Piracy, Dr. Usmal and Dr. Nutberger from the Crusades (one was an Arab healer and the other a Crusader medic), etc..
Lol, this video made me realize where the saying "Don't blow smoke up my @ss" came from. It's used negatively because it's referring to how stupid the practice was. Oh, how fun it is to learn where our colorful language comes from and how some things you think are weird, make sense in the context of where it came from. XD
Woah is that where the saying came from?
@@MrTerryyeah. Also, a lot of those idioms had some really interesting history behind them. Like the phrase "to turn a blind eye" referring to when captain Horatio Nelson thought he could win regadless and when he was signaled via flags to retreat and disengage he held the telescope up to his blind eye and pretended to not see the order.
Or "[winning] hands down" came from horse racing when a jockey was so far ahead they could remove their hands from the reins and still win.
"Dead ringer" came from insurance fraud. Back before chips were a thing you might insure an expensive animal against death but it had to rely on appearance and age. So people would find an identical looking horse or dog, of the same approx age, and kill the poor animal for the money, then sell the real animal for more money. Nobody is going to ask questions of athletic ability from a dead horse after all. With the invent of chips this scam became almost impossible to pull off.
"Riding shotgun" originated when someone would ride next to the coach driver armed with, you guessed it, a shotgun to shoot would be robbers.
"Costing an arm and a leg" came about from paintings of people. It cost more to paint every arm and leg which is why may historical painting of people might have hands held behind them, in pockets, tucked away, or strategically blocked by a horse (ie many of George Washington's paintings show him on a horse where the horse's body is deliberately painted in a way that blocks half the limbs from showing such as "Washington before Yorktown" or It's why portraits of royalty were painted the way they were, so as to demonstrate how much wealth they had.) It's also why there are so may above the shoulders portraits.
Lobotomies were common and popular especially in the 20th century because it fixed exactly what they wanted it to fix; the behavior. Modern late 19th early 20th century lobotomies focused on the frontal lobe, which, when severed, DID eliminate certain types of violent behavior, depression, and schizophrenia; one famous study, I believe by either a Portuguese or a Spanish surgeon, was performed on several severely mentally ill prostitutes. It did, in fact, completely eliminate their symptoms, but left them effectively emotionless zombies. In addition, oftentimes lobotomies only removed the appearance of symptoms, i.e. the patient's ability to show those symptoms.
Lobotomies were also frequently performed on homosexuals under the belief it was an effective treatment for them, since at that time the twin opinions about homosexuality were either that it was a mental sickness or it was a moral fault. The lobotomy really took off here in America after an American medical professional invented the trans-orbital lobotomy, where instead of having to open up a segment of the skull, which often took hours, you could use an ice-pick at the base of the orbital socket, or essentially in the spot where your eye-socket meets your nose. Using this icepick they could sever the connecting tissue between the frontal lobe and the rest of the brain, reducing a procedure that once took hours into one that only took maybe about 15 minutes. This led to lobotomies being performed en masse, including famously John F. Kennedy's sister, who frequently suffered from seizures, Rosemary Kennedy. The procedure left her incapable of speaking coherently, as the procedure being a blind one oftentimes led to unintended complications.
The inventor of the leucotomy (a version of lobotomy), the Portuguese scientist Antonio Moniz, won a Nobel Prize for it.
Indeed. They have tried to revoke it but the foundation executive director Michael Sohlman refuse to do so because he says it's impossible. Not sure HOW it's impossible, then again there are some Nobel prizes that makes you raise your eyebrow. I don't remember who it was that got the peace prize when he stopped bombing a country but I guess if you stop attacking a country you have made peace?
I think a likely area our current medical practices will turn out to be "way wrong" on will be related to our gut bacteria and the way we think about our diet and digestive system in relation to our general health. I've seen old print-ads for "healthful" foods being "predigested" like more processed foods were considered better for you and fiber was something to avoid. Mid-20th century sci-fi imagined an ideal future where all our food was in pill-form and we lived in sterile environments with no plants or animals. We're learning more and more that the bacteria and other germs we've been surrounded by throughout history are actually good and important, and taking them away will have consequences we don't understand right now.
Yeah most doctors have gone full circle on how much bacteria it's good for kids to interact with during childhood. For a while the urge was to keep everything v sterile but now it's gone back a bit the other way.
Important thing to note is that blood letting is still used today and having better results. For people diagnosed with hemochromatosis (which ever mutation it is) one of the more better ways of mitigating it’s damage is by removing blood from the body to balance the iron in the body (I know this because my late father died from a hereditary hemochromatosis and the doctor said that I would probably be fine with simple blood removal operations). With this being said, is bloody letting good? No. Should it still be done? I think yes, in highly specific circumstances.
much like lobotomies, there are still very limited cases where it works when other options failed.
i know in my Dads lifetime that tonsillectomy was common and now is rare
There used to be tobacco-smoke enema kits placed along the River Thames to resuscitate people if they had drowned. Now that's a reason to learn to swim if ever there was one!
what if the water is too cold for you
We do say 'are you blowing smoke up my backside/arse', to mean/ask 'are you lying to me' (because of this practice). Here in England atleast, and probably said all over Britain and other places abroad where England has had an influence.
One reason a medication can affect many things is because it affects the symptoms. MANY diseases cause dangerous fevers that can harm the patient, so medicines that suppress fevers can be used for helping patients through extremely different diseases. A lot of people think cold and flu are somehow related because of similar symptoms but they aren't even close to related - but they are treated similarly with fever suppressants, liquids, and a bland diet because these soften the symptoms.
Some surgeons use leeches if there is insufficient blood in the area of the stitches….
4:10 I suppose lobotomy was seen as a means to "manage" unruly mental patients in an era where things like antipsychotics and antidepressants were just starting to be developed. Sometimes it helped with actual symptoms like violent outbursts related to PTSD, but the side effects... yeah. The case of Rosemary Kennedy is particularly horrifying and gruesome.
IIRC several ancient civilizations had some rudimentary understanding on how brain tumors could cause a variety of symptoms that could be relieved by cutting into the tumor or relieving intra-cranial pressure via trepanation, but the practices were of course a far cry from modern surgical technique. There are, however, known examples of trepaned skulls where the bone has started to mend, so it can be presumed the patients survived for at least some period after the operation.
That’s gotta be where the phrase “don’t blow smoke up my butt” comes from.
The difference between modern brain surgery and ancient practices are a little bit like the difference between using a laser scalpel and a cleaver except that the laser scalpel is actually aimed properly.
I think that in the future generalized chemotherapy, were we use literally poisonous compounds to kill off the fastest growing cells in the body, will be looked at like bloodletting. Chemotherapy literally started with mustard gas. It's horrendous. We are already moving towards genetic and immune-based treatments.
The milk thing isn't the craziest thing I've heard. Milk is formed in part from a woman's blood. But so are tears. The difference is that tears are less likely to kill a person. I don't understand why they didn't test this on animals first. It's a great way of killing someone with sepsis. Septicemia is a horrible way to die with multiple organ failure. 😢
Researchers: "man, brains are so complicated to understand"
Researcher's Brain: "yeah, isn't it weird that we can't understand ourselves?"
You should reac tto the video he did about ancient medical devices that we dont' use anymore.
Good idea!
Had to pause midway through the video cuz I needed to clean someones insides with tobacco. 👍
My favorite history teacher reacting to my favorite doctor.
Of course I don't actually know either of them but I love watching both of them.😁😁
I wondered if you would cover this, when I watched it the other day. I wish he covered medical history more often. Thanks for adding more context!
In fairness using a dead Whale as a Hotel is a better idea then what we did in Oregon. We just basically filled it with Dynamite to see what happens.
@23:13 I immediately thought about Dr. McCoy's hospital scene from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. "Dialysis?! What is this, the Dark Ages?"
There was a guy in the 1960s with epilepsy who agreed to undergo a lobotomy to try and stop hus seizures.
The lobotomy did cure his epilepsy but he was unable to create new memories as a result. The part of his brain that they took out was actually the part of the brain that was responsible for creating new memories. It was completely unknown at that point and only became mnown because of him.
They believed in the 4 humours. Blood-letting is what put a nail in his coffin 😢😅
Year 3000 i hope they look back and say what i say.
"What took so long for Drs to stop sticking their finger in butts for prostate exams when they could just use some scanner we just have now they could had made ages ago"
The second one with the cannibalism gonna turn out to be some extremely widespread cannibal cult I swear. This is my theoretical historic event.
4:04 well, it was mainly done on women, and in the USA. Yes it “worked” as in the person became catatonic. Clearly, we still drill into a person skull to do you relieve the pressure in somebody’s brain. This is commonly called burr holes. And was practised in the prehistoric era.
My adoptive brother has asthma. He smokes at least a pack of cigarettes a day. He says it helps his anxiety. But he complains about not being able to breath. He was born 3 months prematurely and weighed a pound a half when he was born. So his lungs were underdeveloped.
4 months late, but one of the few disorders that a lobotomy actually was used to treat is seizures, and in dire circumstances can also still be used, but very rarely.
This is the crossover I didn't know I needed.
I think that in the future that the surgical treatment to things like scoliosis. As someone who has had scoliosis surgery it sounds messed up to someone who hasn't had it. If you don't know how scoliosis surgery works basically they open your back up then they straiten your spin out then put metal rods and screws in your spine to keep it strait. Then the best part is because there is no benefit to taking them out you just go about your day for the rest of your life with rods and screws hanging out in your back.
Bayer: We'll boil morphine to make it less potent-- whoops we invented something WAY worse!!!!
It’s very easy for a medicine to affect a lot of different symptoms. It’s more about how it interacts with your other meds and if it’s uhh… Heroin..
I was very surprised to see bloodletting when I watched the 1995 Sense and Sensibility for the first time and saw a bloody basin under Marianne's arm when she was sick. I wondered why they did that at all with modern hindsight lol
a bit of to add to the heroin:
they did not believe that heroin was less addictive than morphine.
the idea behind using heroin was that you need less heroin to achieve the desired effect, so it was argued that perhaps administering a smaller amount of heroin would be less detrimental than using a larger dose of morphine.
also morphine does not make the pain go away, it just helps you disregard the pain, which is still there, it just doesn't bother you anymore.
at least this is how my older brother described it, they gave him morphine when he tore a tendon in his knee and they gave him an infection during surgery which almost killed him.
Syphilis with malaria...that was clever
Yeah, I agree, colonoscopy::chemical detection as malaria::penacilin, instead of, say, bloodletting or tabacco enemas.
0:26 if you like medical history, you would love the podcast “sawbones.” one of my favorite podcasts of all time. it’s a funny dude/goober with his doctor wife. I really really like their first year or so of episodes in particular, but it’s all excellent.
the fam who makes sawbones also makes some other top-tier comedy podcasts, like My Brother My Brother and Me and The Adventure Zone. Sawbones was my gateway podcast though.
13:25 one of the primary catchphrases from Sawbones is “Cure-alls Cure Nothing!”
I wasn’t expecting my childhood home town Eden to come up in this, but I do actually suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis so maybe I should head back there next whale season!
the first successful heart transplant was at Groote Schuur Hospital in Cape Town, South Africa mr terry
please collab with Dr. Mike. It would be so fun!!!
Feeding and breathing tubes can be pretty painful, I think that’ll change soon
Mr. Terry History, I would like to hear your take on the sinking of the Titanic. I have been a Titanic enthusiast for decades. As much as I know about the real ship (Not talking about the 97 movie, which most people think I’m referring to when I mention Titanic. It was a real ship that sank, people lol), I’m intrigued to hear a history teacher’s perspective. Please avoid false theories, such as the V break theory and the ever so popular switch theory. Thanks!!
I guess I don’t really have a take on it. Is there some kind of conspiracy going on?
I’d like to see Dr.Mikes video on the instruments❤
I think there is a tribe who live in the jungle in Indonesian New Guinea, members of the Korowai tribe, among the last people on earth to practice cannibalism. They eat i think only the brain and the heart but still.
Taking heroin while having Tuberculosis... I can't imagine that feeling.
Let's hope someday it's cancer and we can kick that disease without cheo poison
I was prescribed codeine cough syrup whenever i got a horrible couch (nyquil did nothing) btw. I had a horribly weak immune system due to being born this way.
I was last subscribed it 10ish years ago lol
I love how much Dr. Mike despises Gweneth Paltrow & her pretentious "Goop" line😆
i guess that’s where the saying “blowing smoke up your ass” came from
There was a Chinese general that supposedly ate his eye after someone shot it with an arrow. I don't remember the name, but he is a playable character in the Dynasty Warriors franchise.
pretty sure it was Xiahou Dun
The thing that I am against is the way we treat disabled people. In Germany there is a highly destructive mentality on the way that worries me. There is the plan to force people who are on ventilators into institutionalized care. People who are connected to ventilators are able to live by themselves but with health workers who help them. Nurses, Physiotherapists...etc. There was the idea to take this freedom away in order to save money as our health care system is in massive debt. This goes against every rule that we implemented for the wellfare of disabled people. We would actively force people into dependency. Not to mention the psychological aspect. Returning home and being able to live by yourself is a huge motivator for you to become better. That would be crushed.
Another thing that pissed me off is that there was a facility for children that had a wonderful system. The less disabled kids helped the severe cases. This was stopped. Now the groups are seperated from each other. Gving the severe disabled kids a disadvantage. They can not support each other effectively This is an issue because it is technically against our social laws. Also it was inclusion taken to perfection and a great way to socialize kids. I want to see this model returning cause it is wholesome.
Also keeping people alive at all costs even if they suffer more than they benefit is cruel. Death is natural and in some cases a good thing. To avoid it by overlooking quality of life is an active act of torture. Especially in people of old age. Though I think age should not be the main aspect Rather than the status of health.
I saw a vid about harvesting stem cells from period blood, with less complications and better outcomes in efficiency of the cells. There's also videos about 3dprinting organ tissue with cartilage and stem cells. If it's ever going to get taken seriously , i'd see current methods of gathering stem cells and donor organs come to be considered as wasteful, unethical and dumb...
That sure is an interesting thumbnail
17:03 good question. Very deep.
Does the butt even want to get addicted 🤔
The strangest medical practice I've heard of, has to be Dr. Moreau's practice on that island of his. (You didn't say non-fiction only) That was some very strange stuff! I don't want to ruin it for those who have not seen The Island of Dr. Moreau.
17:05 Well, nicotine _is_ a stimulant and is readily absorbed through the gut lining, so maybe that _could_ have some sort of mild invigorating effect, but(t) the whole procedure still sounds all kinds of sus.
Some way to do open heart surgery without sawing through the breastplate and spreading the ribs open.
I already get a package to run a test to see if I need a colonoscopy.
1:20 for sure, not even a question.
I don’t have a specific video in mine, but here’s an idea, maybe react to something that’s related to history and natural disasters? Like how X natural disaster effected X kingdom/country
If you find something, drop it in my discord. That would be cool.
I bet the over prescribing of opioids will be looked on in the same way they over prescribed heroin.
Yeah. Like how our first duly elected President following the Treaty of Paris was killed by humors balancing…
And yeah, Mr. Terry, placebo effects can be very strong and effective. Because ultimately, the body heals and recovers itself. Medicine is just there to aid in the effects.
I think society is going to think that twitter was stupid in 2023.
Look into prednisone. Its prescribed for almost everything because its cheap. It's honestly horrible to be on long term. Does it work? Technically yes, the side effects are not great. That said, it does work, and its far cheaper than the 1850$ a month that my treatment for chrons costs. Not everyone can afford/have coverage for that. However it is an affordable option, prednisone, would i recommend it? No. But it is an option if your doctor recommends it. Its just unpleasant after a while. Now thankfully i have the coverage for the overpriced treatment.
Oh, lobotomy had the desired outcome alright. Hard to be depressed, or react violently, when the portion of your brain responsible for higher level thought is sliced to pieces and you're in a permanent semi-conscious, semi-vegetative state for the rest of your life
Doctor Mike did a lot of great vodeos. Hard to pick one.
I mean I suspect I'm not telling you anything you don't already know but was surprised on the corpse medicine bit we kinda don't have many mummies left because Victorians were obsessed with using mummy remains for literally everything including medicine. It was all the craze!
I don't know if it counts as modern medicine, but I hope cupping will be seen as moronic in the future
The feature doctors probably will say the ridiculously of narcotics for pain.
Would love to see speculums relegated to the past asap lol
I have epileptic seizures and lobotomy would be an answer if my thinking that lobotomy = brain 🧠🧠 surgery? But IDK really! 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Also Hank Williams(Sr) had Spinal Bifida, he was in constant pain, so he killed it with alcohol… but add that Toby Marshall(who is said to get his doctor's license through the mail for $50(back in the '40's)) prescribed him morphine! And Hank Williams died at the young age of 29(09/17/1923)! 😮😮😮😮
Sounds like Heroin was replaced by CBDs (Cannabis) I could see future people getting a chuckle (you know as they partook themselves lol) of that when something better becomes available
Today on Brand New Sentences: "Maybe I'll jump inside that blowhole" ~Mr. Terry
We need mr. T with mr.t
Lobotomy and trepanation are vastly different things. Drilling a hole into/removing part of the skull can relieve pressure on the brain. Lobotomy is a whole other thing.
Please watch history in the dark, highly recommend his 5 worst trains ever list.
I could imagine that treatment for mental ilnesses could change dramatically
trepanning is a bit different to a lobotomy so i'm a little annoyed about that one. but one that already feels ancient now but we currently so still use is medical leeches. Leeches produce a thing that essentially prevents clotting to they are still used on patients who are prone to blood clots. So that's my vote for practices we currently the use that future people might be like wtf.
I wish we lived in a world where lung issues could be fixed with smoking cigarettes.
Old doctors giving herion out like its candy "cant feel sick if you cant feel
My sweet nice doctor mike❤❤
Mama Doctor Jones has some interesting videos of historical pregnancy test methods
Common medical practice that could be seen as barbaric in the future? Male circumcision.
I personally wonder how many of the covid related treatments, controls and such will be once there has been enough time to get a real objective study of the outbreak.
I think most of the medical stuff we’re doing today that will be criticized in the future will come down to morals, ethics, and standards.
Adderall is gonna soon be realized it’s meth 2:05
old as i am every decade have been ridiculous except the 60 and 70`s , and then started the 80`s hairstyles and dressing ,
More than likely one of the things we and the medical community will look back on with derision is the treatments for migraines.
Thing in medical stuff that in like 2050 will think is stoobid:
Poop transplant for C. Diff
15:40 Don't forget some dead whales will explode
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Hello, Mr. Terry. I have a video for you. Someone on CZcams created an AI video where Donald Trump, Obama, and Biden make a tier list of Roman emperors. I think you'd enjoy them (they're both parts of a two-parter video).
Is it meant to be funny?
It’s hilarious and educational! Right up your alley!
how come in America they teach about Slave history wrong?