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1987 HONDA GOLDWING GL1200 Darkside
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2018
- It was said that it is difficult to put a car tire on the rear of the Honda gl1200. But i showed that it is simple to do. Just alot of pressure and your done.
I just picked up an '87 as well. When the time comes, I'll try it. Thanks for the video.
Aluminium rims, and this guys going at it with no rim protectors. If that was my bike wheel, and I saw him doing that, I would have said fuck it, blow it back up, re-fit it to the bike, and I'm taking it to another garage that actually gives a shit about not damaging the wheels.
You could always do it yourself.
I don't think he cared about your premium wheels!
That’s what you get for being cheap!!
He is hitting the tire with a bat to try and seat the bead..
No motorcycle shop will ever fit a car tire to a motorcycle rim. Most tire shops won’t even fit it, only places that will fit it are dodgy tire shops.. many cases of these dark siders de-beading tyres mid corner due to the stress on the side wall, why would anyone be so silly?
@@AlexanderTheGrateful I see people put car tires on bikes, but they have sidecars and don't turn like a normal bike.
@@AlexanderTheGrateful Because of the same reasons people drop thousands into modding their cars. Theyre are a pluthera of reasons WHY to put a car tire on your bike. Plenty of Pros and Cons. Why NOT be so silly?!?! Its fucking awesome!
@@AlexanderTheGrateful BULL SHIT: where in hell did you hear this CRAP?
@@AlexanderTheGrateful You're full of utter shit.
Motorcycle tires, especially on high performance street bikes and heavy tourers, use soft, sticky, high traction rubber compounds that have short but very useful lives. Fortunately most motorcyclists DON'T put saving money over 🦺 safety.
Just Darksided my 84 1200 Goldwing, it took me 3 times using Vaseline, WD40 and simple green and leaving it in the sun to get the final part of the bead to seat, while it was set to,g in the sun with 85 psi on the 3rd air up it just said pop and I was relieved., so everyone have some patience it will seat. Thanks for the video it helped especially for the tire size.
Can you darkside the front of your '84 GL1200?
You can but you won't like it!
The rims on this generation of Gold Wing are actually a bit off advertised size, that's what makes the idea of going dark side on ANY Wing earlier than the 1500's a bad idea. You can find more information on the Gold Wing forums.
@@kevinrussell5099 This is the best move I have made reference tires, it track very well when changing lanes and odd surface levels it don't give me that roll, and finally it rides smooth as butter been over 700 miles with it and not looking back, but I hear Kevin.
@@kevinrussell5099 I did catch Hell getting the last part of the bead to pop on but she went, when it comes time to change it I may have to cut it off but its worth it so far. Go Honda.
Hopefully in the future if enough people go dark sided maybe NC car companies what catch you on make a tire that will get some mileage at a decent price
looks good you can run 40psi and it run lots of miles good job
Thx. That's what I ran it at
how many miles did you get out of it compared to a normal tire?
Only problem is the GL1200 rear 15" rim is not the same bead as a 15" car tire. I plan to go darkside on my 84 Goldwing Interstate after I fit a GL1500 final drive and wheel.
16" rim, same gear ratio, larger brake rotor. Have to do a few minor mods to fit. Finding a skinny 16" car tire will be the problem as the swingarm is narrower on the 1200s.
Was the Exhaust system removed for Maintenance?.....I know some People take it of for Rear wheel removal as the Axle Bolt fouls it ...I remove both rear Shock lower Bolts and swing them out of the way....then lift the Swing Arm high enough to withdraw the Axle Bolt..
Interesting Video ...thank you ...
Genuine question…. What’s the benefit of fitting a car tire to your rear motorcycle wheel? More upright stability? Wouldn’t cornering be more difficult with this change?
Longer lasting. Car tires can go maybe 30,000 miles. Motorcycle tires can go maybe 8,000 miles. It's called going to the darkside
Mileage,last about 4 times longer and less than half the cost
Cornering feels weird with darksiding, but overall it is very similar. Just takes some getting used to. Overall, more stability yes, more traction, and a much longer lifespan at lower cost than a motorbike tire
Style points for throwing the tools all around then stepping over them 😎.
ok, I tried it... 2 days @ 90 PSI, well lubricated bead, in the sun.... and BEAD WILL NOT SEAT!!!!! I am not going to beat on a tire with 90 PSI in it so .... I don't think it will work without machining the wheel down some. $65 wasted as no one will take a NEW tire that was mounted (somewhat) back. of course the tire shops are terrified of being sued so the best I cld get them to do is put it on the wheel NO AIR IN IT!!!!!!!!!! good thing I got a MC tire too, which I THOUGHT I didn't need... but looks like the car tire idea on an 84 GL just isn't going to work when 1/4 of the circumference of the bead WILL NOT SEAT. SIMPLE AS THAT!!! ur mileage may vary.
Didn’t lube it right… it’s not gonna slide right in. I personally do not put the core in till all sides pops out… those rims has pretty sharp ring on them to jump over them. Thus.. I liked the tire, great treads on it… certainly get more miles on it.
a 40 year old tyre ?
Michelin are still making new X, ZX and XZX tyres for the European market. They're even better than ever, because of modern compounds.
I have an 84 Goldwing Interstate and I will now be changing my MC tire to the darkside and hope to get more wear and durability out of it., I have been told once you put the air around 80psi and let it set in the sun it will seal as well, Again nice video and good that you have a tire place to change it for you most places won't do due to insurance.
Thats true....
What size and brand tire is that? I want to do that to my ‘85. Thanks! Ride safe everyone!
I wouldn't have put on a used tire, but other wise, it seems like a good idea.
Russell Horn I t didn't last long. It bubbled up so i got rid of it and put a brand new tire. Can't tell the diffrence between car tire and motorcycle tire.
@@AngelGarage Are you still using a car tire and how well has it performed?
@@randallhuston1466 II no longer have the bike I sold it. I did replace it with a new tire, the same brand. I really liked it because I had really good traction on my long dirt driveway. But when I get a another bike I will go darkside again. The tire just last longer especially on a cruiser.
@@AngelGarage what size did you end up darksiding with I have an 87 Gl1200 I want to dark side
I'm having a hard time finding the right size car tire for my 83. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
i wonder when the time will come too dismantle this tire if it will be as easy as now!!!
A tire shop can take it off easy
I think I'd at least put on a directional & symmetrical tread pattern. I've seen some with asymmetric tread and I just don't like that idea or look.
I was testing and this was the tire i got for cheap. But it was a good tire on dirt and wet grass. I would do it again
I had to do 100 psi just yesterday on my 06 Vulcan DarkSide tire
Did you have to use that much to get it to set the bead?
i hit almost 80 psi to seal the bead.......trick is if it doesnt work.......re break the bead and start over......4th time it worked fine
What size tire?
What Vulcan ? I have a 2007 1600 mean streak.
this guy is a Pro ,i love this Michelin,,way better then the Nexen thta many have installed
what the model of that michelin???
I show it somewhere on the video
@@AngelGarage how did the inflated size diameter compare to the original bike ...was it slightly bigger/smaller ?
@@seangilbert3062 it was just slightly bigger. But it had space to go back in the swing arm.
I am changing my 06 GL1800 to the darkside because I pull a trailer for my Lady and I too haul camping gear.
I am very curious how this tire worked out for you after two years. Can you please do an update? If you have already, will you please send me the link? Thank You very much
You all are in my prayers
Hoka Hey
Unfortunately I sold the bike not long after I did the darkside. But I can tell you that I had a lot more traction on loose dirt like a dirt bike. It was a little more smoother on the road. But the positive side is knowing I could have gone 30,000 miles vs 6,000 with a motorcycle ture.
I have now a triumph rocket 3 with a 240 rear tire and I'm going to do darkside with it when the tire wears out
What psi do you run it at after the bead seats? Do you put it at recommended psi for the tire or softer since there's less weight on it?
What the tire recommended
@@AngelGarage Thanks. 👍
Love it! It should last longer.How is the ride?
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So how is the ride with this tire?
Didn't notice the difference except that when im on dirt i had more traction than a motorcycle tire
What size car tire u use
How did that tire fit in the swingarm
I deflated the tire and installed the wheel and reinflated. It fit good
but im glad it worked well for you. brave man to beat on a tire when it has ....100 psi in it... and safety glasses on his head? tires must be tough, even used? I wish my car tire would seat on the wheel. I would have it machined for the car tire, if anyone would do that typeof thing for less than... just putting the MC tire on the wheel and figure in 5 years the tire will be dried out/split/tread separates from cord and will have to be done again. $100 every 5 years I suppose isn't too bad, but I wanted to try the car tire for different/siped tread to channel water out from under the tire when everyone waters the streets here when mowers cut off the sprinkler heads... and the water collects in the turns. love to have a 1500.... 1800 but my riding days are numbered anyway. so I will just keep the old GL going long as I can. took apart the rear brake caliper, pistons stuck in bores so no back brake. bike shop guy who did the last MC tire on that bike told me "the back brake pads are fine"... go figure... pistons are stuck in the caliper since no one REALLY maintained the bike. the rear end oil in ring and pinion was down to half of what it should have been. I FILLED IT UP with a nice blend of 90/140 gear oil and some STP oil treatment to coat the ring and pinion/bearings in the final drive to make up for all the miles it was ridden with the final drive half full of gear oil and NEVER changed. no one changes transmission or rear end oil in.... anything and then wonders why the tranny/rear end goes out... from lack of CLEAN FRESH OIL? a shot or 2 of grease in the rear end to really coat the ring/pinion/bearings? STP oil treatment is like liquid grease, it should be good enuf to protect the finals
spaz put some air in it. car tire???
I use a handyman jack and a 2X4 to break down tubeless tires. I insert the jack into my receiver hitch and just the base of the jack to break the bead. czcams.com/video/FM8cUE8MU8s/video.html I lubricate the bead of the replacement tire with Vaseline and it will seat quicker
well if your tyre man put plenty of lube on the rim and tyre before he started to fuck around. it would go on a lot easer
What was the prior tire?
It had 150/90-15 74H shinkos.with white walls. Total garbage I though it gave the death wobble. So I put this tire on the rear and a non white wall front and it solved my wobble issue. Also now I get way more miles on the rear tire, traction on loose surfaces,
when I was a kid. I worked in a gas station service station. I was putting a tire on a rim on the tire machine. A customer pulled up to the pumps for gas, I hooked the air hose to the Schrader valve to blow up the tire that I had just put on the rim and went out to put gas in the car. The guy wanted his tank filled so I was out there longer than I should have been. I remembered that I had put the air hose on the tire at the moment the tire exploded. The hose whipped up and broke two of the windows on the doors of the garage bay. It broke the 8 foot fluorescent light tubes on two of the fixtures. there were advertising banners across the openings of each of the two garage bays. They both went straight out from the wind. The fragments from the exploding tire scattered like a hand grenade went off. I’m just glad I wasn’t standing there when it happened..
another time, one of the other kids that worked at the gas station with me on Saturdays was helping me do the change over from summer to snow tires on a car. It was an atlas tire machine. Those machines had a centering cone that threaded down to hold the wheel on center and to keep the tire down on the machine from moving. we only had the cone threaded a couple threads, because we loosened the cone once we got the tire on the wheel, so that the tire could seat on the bottom of the bead..We loosened the centering con to permit the tire to seat, but we didn’t take it completely off.We were putting air in the tire, the bottom bead wire broke . that sudden explosion propelled the tire up with the tire machine attached to it. We were standing over the tire. If we had not had that centering yoke on that wheel, it probably would’ve killed both of us..
The man putting air in this tire in this video, is a very good tire machine operator/tire changer. But not experienced enough
I have never seen a tire that did not have a warning branded into the tire sidewall, explaining that you should never exceed putting 50 pounds or 60 pounds of air into that tire...
also.. obviously that rim is not compatible with that tire. If that tire fails, and the rider of the motorcycle with that tire on it is killed or badly injured, or the motorcycle cart wheels out of control and kill someone walking down the street or in an approaching car.. that business that employed that tire changer is liable.
Honda is off the hook because they have warnings and guidelines in the owners manual of the machine that wheel is going to be installed on. they also have labels on the machine usually under the seat, instructing the owner about tire pressures, and tire sizes, and usually make and model of recommended tires.even if the owner of the machine that has a car tire mounted on to a motorcycle wheel has an accident that has nothing to do with the car tire being on the motorcycle wheel, The insurance company covering the motorcycle, if they have the right attorney, and the right insurance adjuster/investigator, they could find a way to not be liable. if the owner of that motorcycle lives in a state requiring annual state inspections for safety. That machine will obviously fail a state safety inspection. I was a motorcycle safety inspector with a license to inspect motorcycles, I would fail this machine. I could be held liable for passing a machine that was unsafe, that later went out and caused an accident.
Point is not whether the tire will fail or if the tire will cause an accident. The point is, not only is it not recommended by honda. but there are warnings against doing such a thing. There is a big difference between not recommended, and warnings against doing it..And that in of itself is the problem
it’s like instructing your five-year-old child not to ever play with your loaded guns. And then you catch him playing cops and robbers in the yard with his friends, with your loaded gun..
at that point, it’s not whether or not someone has been shot. At that point, it’s that your child was playing with a loaded gun that could have injured someone. It’s the same deal with putting one of these car tires on a motorcycle wheel..The owner of the machine has been warned, and still plays with loaded guns.. in court, a judge could find the operator of that machine guilty of reckless endangerment
The tire installer in this video is the luckiest tire changer on CZcams. That used tire head over 100 pounds of pressure in it and did not explode.That is the only thing amazing about this video
I thought the tire would blow before I seated.
You're full of shit.
The tire that he is removing should have been replaced much sooner ! Replacing it with a used auto tire says even more about the owner .Did he really say
.."80 psi "..
?
Yeah he said 80 then changed it to 100
Sketchy shop
so the tire size IS?????????? why cant ppl put the TRUE SIZE ON THINGS???? 185 65 -15??????
If you look at the video carefully, at the 12:00 i showed the tire with the size and make..
165 SR 15, SR?? stands for??? its a 165 65 15.... I put one on my 84 GL, its got... 100 PSI in it now, sat it out in the sun, put GOOP hand cleaner on it to help it get on the wheel... it is not getting on the wheel. I will leave it out in the sun tmw too and maybe it will pop on the bead of the wheel???? or take it apart and use ... grease? oil? oh that eats rubber so cant use that, dishwashing soap, its a new tire a nice tire although appears to be narrower than the 150-90 15 MC tire that I got that I was going to put on the bike... til I read the weight rating on the MC tire....800#'s???? the bike weighs 800#'s without a rider???? the old tire, shinko 230 Tourmaster was rated for 1100# and the tread separated from the cord in 5 years and < 3000 miles. I was not too happy about that, but 5 years is the life expectancy of a tire regardless of mileage... to be safe. I have OLD tires (2003) on my 2 other vehicles and they are ok, tread didn't separate from cord... not the safest thing in the world, but to go around town at 35 mph they are good enough. hate to retire a tire when it has plenty of tread on it....but if it splits... its done. I ran some 4x4 tires down where I could see 2 of the 4 cords in the tread... they held air, I ran them.
@@hezekiahjohnston8360 S for 160 km/h, R for Radial. It's a Michelin XZX, the company who invented radial tyres.
This is a rough Work...! I would Not want to send my Tyre to this Garage..! The Rim will get Scratched...! He should have used the Machine also to Unseat the old Tyre
just pop 110 on it behind the wall. don't use the inner air valve so it can release it quickly. it can handle it but not very long, so sitting there for 5 minutes at 60psi is much more dangerous.
@angelfiggi can the GL1200A do a double darkside? Asking for a friend.
I would absolutely NOT go double dark side on ANY bike! Back wheel, sure, but you'll regret having a car tire on the front when the steering gets squirrelly.
Yes,and double darkside is car tire on the rear and a rear mc tire on the front just have to reverse the direction it would normally rotate.
@@craigwiess1656 Well dagnabbit, my back tire is not the same rim size. Thx
@@VictoryMC front GL1200 is a 130/90-16
With a 67 load rating
Very common size front or rear. Many of HD used that size on the rear. Shinko 777 has a reinforced 130/90-16 with a load rating of 73.
I've run Shinko tourmaster 230 stock size, I get 10k front and rear. They are a cost effective tire only down side is they tend to follow grooves in the road. The 777 has a different tread design that should be more stable on grooved surfaces.
This guy needs some training on taking off the tire
Michelin XZX, this tyre must be as old as the bike and the rubber completely cooked...
I was told it's the same tire used on the old Volkswagen beetle
@@AngelGarage It was standard on almost every french car in the 70th, as far as I can remember my childhood. Still got a pair of those on my trailer (in 165x13 though), make from a Ford V4 rear axle
@@CaptainDangeax I worked good on the bike. It also gave me good traction on loose dirt and grass.
You can stil buy them brand new.
michelin zx have no grip.
Great video! I've loved the GW for years, but I just love the performance of my BMW too much. I just went Darkside on my 2012 BMW K1600GT and can't think of a bike that needs it more, as this thing eats rear tires... To see my video follow the link! czcams.com/video/hz7lDThb9uY/video.html
lol....i used C clamps to dark side my gold wing.......wasnt easy
I have too in the beginning. But now I just take it to a tire shop. Too much headache
I've used a tow strap
maybe a little mor maintenance on your bike would be nice.
wingitvietnam collins he is too cheap, that’s why he is running a second hand car tire, lol maintenance, that costs money
Wow. So dirty.
cant see the purpose why gamble its not rely that much more
car tires last ... 30,000 miles. bike tires last.... 8000 miles. car tires have higher weight rating (~1200#'s) than MC tires (800-1100). run flat tires on the 1800 Goldwings would be a wonderful thing if REALLY RIDE THE BIKE ACROSS COUNTRY and don't want to worry much about tires. car tires have SIPES in them to channel water away from tread and give many biting edges to grip the road thru the water. bike tires are made for DRY TARMAC RUNNING as they have very little in the way of "tread"... a groove down the middle is not much of a way for water to channel out from under the tire. see BLIZZAKS and all the little grooves/sipes that those tires have to grip in snow, rain, ice better... and softer rubber=less tire life.
@@hezekiahjohnston8360 i drive on a dirt driveway at a slight incline. When it rains it's slippery The car tire has way more grip than the mc.and it last 3 times more than mc tires as well.
What gamble?
Tyre looks old
It was. I was trying it out to see if it worked. I changed it with a brand new one the following weekend
You don’t need to balance the rear tire
You should balance any tire. I balance my bicycle tire
Lee Trent. Yes, you do.
I disliked. Roughest tire fitter. We have a lot like that in the UK. Painted rims? not any more. The fitters here usually use a cheater (air blast) rather than fill the whole tyre to over-pressure.
this guy is scared to pop the rim ....