Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989) Retrospective / Review
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How great, is that bombastic klingon theme?!
I like to see reviews of Starchaser: The Legend of Orin. Strings. Mannaja: A Man Called Blade. Wizards. Star Trek 2009. Serenity and Ewoks: Battle for Endor.
Have you covered The Voyage Home?
You could eventually get round to doing Rogue One or The Last Jedi.
@@TedShatner10 Oliver could do Retrospective reviews of Ewok Adventure and Battle for Endor. I like Oliver and I respect him and he is such a talented reviewer. Wish I could shake his hand.
My dad passed away last Monday. Back in 1989 we went to see this, it was the last movie I saw at the cinema with my father. Later just before he died he recalled the scene with McCoy and his fathers suffering, he told me if it comes to it stop the pain. Hes finally out of pain, only for you to post this, which he would have loved. Thanx man
Sorry for your loss.
I'm happy you could cherish this with your dad
Bless you. ♥️
I and other trek fans feel for ur lose. Ur dad is heaven waiting for you. He will look like he was in his 30s. And according to chinese mythology 1 heaven day eqauls to 7 earth years. So 3 heaven days equals to 21 earth years. So thus he will only wait for an few heaven days to see u again.
Well they do say it comes in three, 1. Oliver Harper reviews Star trek V (1989) with a scene of McCoy preserving his dads dignity 2. Actor Tony Todd randomly tweets song time after time (who did a ST DS9 episode about a son looking for his dead dad), only to end up on my feed between two tweets about my dad. 3. Last night I tweet a clip of Picard on death, only for Patrick Stewart to tweet a reading of the sonnet 45 regarding fire and air, on the day of my fathers cremation and hes an aries their symbol is fire, make of it what you will. But my dad seems to have a trek theme going on here lol x
“I don’t want my pain taken away. I NEED MY PAIN!”
A really fantastic line.
I never thought it was terrible, I always felt it was the most like an episode of old Star Trek, cheese and all.
"What does God need with a Starship?" is a great line. And I love the soundtrack, it's excellent.
Any true fan of Trek knows this is the best one _because_ it's most like the show.
Ever notice how critics always harp on about the special effects?
Since when has Trek been about the FX?
The same critics say the opposite about the motion picture..
TMP had the highest budget and visuals, then critics call it alienated from the show.
Obviously Wrath of Khan is great, but it has it's share of dodgy FX, and is almost entirely confined to 3 sets.
It also recycles FX shots, as do all the Trek films.
For what it's worth I think V is the best 'Trek' film, and TMP is the best 'Film' in terms of scale and being a genuine Sci-Fi epic.
@@MajorVanBloodnok At least Khan's FX weren't distractingly bad. It's actually quite seemless and I'd even say the shot of the Enterprise flying through the Mutara Nebula is one of the great iconic shots of cinema.
@@MajorVanBloodnok Agreed 100% Nice to see someone who can appreciate star trek tos campy quality. Alot of people try to pretend that star trek is the most serious thing ever and seem to think something cant be campy and intelligent at the same time. Also TMP is an absolute masterpiece imo
@@tehkenfightergames4545 Indeed. It's just very sad to see Oliver, with the benefit of hindsight, trucking out the same tired arguments from 30 years ago. The same lazy, received opinions people share unthinkingly about the plot, Shatner's ego, the superficial flaws, as if they've never watched the show before..
I think it comes down to 1, 3 & 5 being the least commercial of the movies.
Shatner was at least ambitious about exploring weighty ideas, but it's his understanding and development of the Kirk, Spock, McCoy relationship, which was never better, that is indispensible for any true fan.
Bones and Spock in particular develop from their mutual spikyness to a much closer bond that carries over into the next film.
The overlooked genius of The Motion Picture is that the characters also develop throughout the film. The awkwardness and distance after having gone their seperate ways for 10 years, as well as Kirk's buttoned up seniority, subtly thaw out by the end with the full crew back together again.
There's always been a section of the fanbase wanting Trek to be more commercial, which explains the nonsensical support in some places for the recent STD & Picard shows.
The Final Frontier doesn't pander. It's proper Trek as any true fan knows.
@@MajorVanBloodnok Absolutely agree on what you say about the first and fifth of the Star Trek movies. It baffles me how incapable people are to see what a good movie the first motion picture is, just because it doesn't feel familiar to them. It might be a "bad" Star Trek movie in a certain sense, but it is not bad in any sensible way, and it probably had the best director in the entire movie series so far.
I am currently rewatching TOS and you are probably correct in saying that it is closest to the show (I haven't seen any of the movies in the last few years). I find the writing in Final Frontier better than most of the episodes I have re-watched so far (even if a comparison might be a bit unfair due to different formats and 20 years setting them apart).
The camping scene was really touching and human. I loved watching them just hang out as friends after the trauma of the previous films.
I actually liked this movie. Effects aren't great, but the story is good and the characters are in peak form. I love the line "I don't want my pain taken away. I need my pain!" That's great.
Shit bruh 2 pac used voice clips from this movie in his albums
Redo the effects...fans can do it
I liked the camping scene with the main 3.
Yes. Very disappointed with Oliver's understanding of Trek, or lack thereof.
Yrs, it and the finale is the best bit. The rest is not good
this film had more of a soul and had more character than all of the other ones.
Agree. "Row, row, row your boat" is among my favorite scenes in the whole franchise.
I'm that one weird person who considers this my third favorite Star Trek film (behind VI and IV. Yes, while I like Wrath of Khan, I legitimately like this one a little bit better because I'm a weirdo). It is clunky, it is cheap, it doesn't quite get it's ideas straight (the televangelism concept is interesting but seems to get lost in the rewrites, the barrier thing seems like a non-issue as Oliver discusses, and it does kind of fall flat), but it has interesting ideas, feels overall fun, and the Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic is at it's best, and the campfire bookends are a key part of that. It just... feels good watching it.
And on a much sillier note, I like the Shuttlecraft they build, which went on to be refit for use as TNG's type 6 shuttlecraft. One of the most appealing shuttle designs in my opinion.
Not a bad review though.
The scene of McCoy with his ailing father *always* moves me to tears.
Always painful when we lose loved ones. I've been there. DeForest Kelley went into seclusion after filming that scene because it brought back the emotional loss of his own father.
That always gets me too, but not as much as the scene near the end when the gang are together on the enterprise and spock is looking out the window into space and Kirk asks Spock what;s the matter and Spock says he was thinking about Sybok. Leonard Nimoy's understated acting is is wonderful.
Me too… this is one of the most intense scenes in the entire film. It really helps you understand the intensity of what kinds of pain everyone seem to have been lifted from with the help of Sybok. Something you really only relate to the older you get. This is why i now like Star Trek V even more than i did as a kid.
Thanks to sybok
Its a great scene - and really hammers it ho.e when Sybok makes McCoy confront the fact that a cure was found and he could have saved him..... man that's good stuff .... so people really don't give this film enough credit!
The movie is worth it for Kirk's "I don't want my pain taken away, I need my pain" moment. Awesome.
The campfire scene gave us the word "marsh melons", and I, for one, am eternally grateful for that.
Marsh melons were the plant by-product that inspired marshmallows. They were eaten to extinction, like the dodo bird.
This is almost the MOST Trek of any Trek film. It has the best Deforest "Bones McCoy" Kelly performance in any medium. Underrated fun.
I feel exactly the same way. It's ridiculous in part but it's got so much heart and captures the magic of the old show.
I would say that honor falls to IV, with the philosophy of man himself being his own protagonist with the environmental message.
It was good though, I feel with was still good Star Trek.
Agree. I just watched it for the first time in over 25 years and found it quite enjoyable. My suspension of disbelief was working perhaps because I saw rhis when I was young and grew up on Star Trek. The trio of Kirk Spock and McCoy was at its best. I never watched it for so long more because people shat all over it mostly. The most recent blu ray release is the one to revisit.
I agree. Like, as a kid I of course thought STV was junk. But as I grew up and watched more of the Original Series, I saw how much STV was very much like an episode of TOS, including Kirk unmasking a "God" and the crappy visual effects, lol. But that's what helped me appreciate STV that much more over the years... it's still not the best movie involving the crew of the Enterprise, but it's definitely the best movie in the style of TOS.
@@Steven_Edwards IV is definitely not a pure Trek adventure, it's more a fish out of water comedy with the Star Trek gang.
I like how this didn’t just turn into “Let’s crap on Shatner” fest. In depth and enjoyable. The older I get, the more I enjoy V. It at least has character and heart.
@dave4248 TVH When i Thankfully were introduced on TV as a kid seemed like "silly" Trek for me personally. Whale space Bro probes and everything but as a child i didn't even know what "Whaling" was!! Thankfully I've grown up since and I'm very Happy it turnned out too have a serious worthwhile message.
I think it's very revealing how out of character and flat-out incompetent Scotty (and to a lesser degree Spock and McCoy) were portrayed in this movie. No need or room for other characters in Mr. Shatner's universe.
@dave4248 wow. Not a common opinion. The Motion Picture has become my least favorite lately. I wish Harve Bemnet and co produced and directed that one
@@tomwatson9032 disagree. Scotty had more meat on the bone in this movie than most and was very entertaining. The forshadowing of him claiming the ship was built by monkeys and having a skeloton crew at the beginning forgives any percieved incompetency.
@@Koexistence13 He knocked himself out by walking into a bulkhead. ST mythology states that he is 100% competent. Totally out of character. As for the rest, it *has* been awhile since I forced myself to watch this trainwreck, so who knows.
This Film could have worked. The idea of finding the Devil at the center of the Universe is insane but it has potential. Like Event Horizon or The Black Hole
Dr. Who did it better.
The Black Hole (despite problems) is definitely a good watch. I remember watching it on the Disney Channel as a kid! Great soundtrack for sure!
@@jeenkzk5919 hell yeah....spooky ending
Finding the devil is such a simplistic, Judeo Christian moral tale.
@@ricardocantoral7672 finding a physical embodiment of pure evil is not simple
The Final Frontier isn't nearly as bad as many critics have made it out to be. Honestly, it has one of the most interesting premises in the entire film series.
Sure, it has its fans, but the consensus, on the part of both the public and the commentariat, is that this is one of the worst Trek entries, competing for the honour with #10 (2002) and #7 (1994).
@@bonghunezhou5051 I don't give a crap what "The Consensus" thinks.
Deforest Kelly's performance at his dad's death was just superb
Can I just say that whoever they got to play a young Sarek was an absolute doppelganger? They did a great job there.
You just can’t go wrong with a score by Jerry Goldsmith😀
The GOAT!
Although this was never my favorite of the films, these days an old scene like row row row your boat, that’s relaxed with characters you love actually talking, and being together and not running down a hallway or beating each other up or getting blown out into space is just so enjoyable and nice to watch. Has a nice “ I only work in outer space” feel when characters can be grounded and doing something normal/routine,
*"You're a doctor, you know pain can't be taken away with the wave of a hand. I don't want my pain taken away. I need my pain."*
Always loved those lines. Kirk is my captain, not Picard.
I like the fan theory that the whole story was a shared dream brought on by Spock eating whiskey-laced beans.
And too many marshmelons
The campfire scene in this movie is one of my favourite scenes in any ST movie. Just 3 dudes sat around a campfire, brilliantly scripted, acted and it's just about their characters.
As a kid this was my favorite of the Star Trek films. As an adult, I still have a special place in my heart for this film.
Exactly the same for me!
What does God need with a starship?
I didn't know Patrick Troughton was a Star Trek fan.
Same reason he apparently needs humans to write a book about what he wants people to do. Sorta like an instruction book that did not come with the original launch of the "product" yet somehow needed to be handed out thousands if not millions of years after we were brought out. ;)
the sheer f*** hubris!
@Kaagh178 Wow, a lot of triggered Judeo Christians in a Star Trek thread?
Whoever wrote the bibble, that genocidal testament to tribal death cults, after thousands of years it's followers still can't muster humility, or the good sense to appreciate the sentiment expressed in these comments.
They somehow insist the creator of the universe felt it necessary to 'write' 10 commandments for humans to obey authority, to forbid thought crime and then 3 of which are laws against murder, theft and perjury common in all cultures. When it's obvious to all that they'd have been written by men.
Surely everyone knows by now, Star Trek was always anti-religion which Gene Roddenberry tried as much as possible to weave into the show.
(What Shatner asks himself every morning while combing his hair...)
I'll watch this movie before going back and watching the new star wars movies
The same! The new star was trilogy was a wasted opportunity!!
At least with all Star Trek movies they all work as a team.
A group together.
Old star wars did this too.
But the new Star Wars sequel movies.
All the characters all work by themselves for themselves.
All off doing their own adventures and cross path with other characters sometimes.
Like for example Rey met Poe at the end of The Last Jedi.
i watched TLJ it was not involving at all. I felt nothing for the 'characters'. rey is plain jane boring. you need to have a glamours hero or heroine or some endearing charactor traits to identify with. she is just kind of superwomen who can do everything who is just boooring... po looks gay the whole way thru. chewwie is fan service, kylo minogue is a brat who cant make his mind up where he stands. one minute is he is a wannabe emperor next scene he wants to kill rey. it was a cghore to watch. Aquaman was much better easily identifiable and likeable characters.
Angela Schmalke Oh yes, all day long. I’d also rather watch The Final Frontier over Discovery and Picard any day. At least Star Trek V is Star Trek.
Actually, I think the ending for Rise Of Skywalker has some similarities to The Final Frontier's climax.
And Rogue One alone beats the shit out this campy, recycled, disjointed mess. The Last Jedi, despite its faults, is orders of maginitude better than this overly campy (and egotistical) shite.
Maybe marginally better than Insurrection, maybe.
Kirk raising his finger to ask God a question is still my favorite moment in all of Trek. "Uh...Excuse me..."
This is still my favorite trek movie along with the first one. I think this one was the only trek movie that actually felt like the original series. It even included the original bridge sounds and everything. And finally the characters really felt like the original ones. Love the campfire scene.
What I always love about your videos is how you’re able to make them mini-documentaries, while also being able to include your own opinions on the movie.
When I first saw this film I was highly entertained, I really enjoyed it. Ok, it wasn't as good as the other entries but it felt like a two part episode of the original TV show.
Dylan Coleman if it was a two-part episode of the Original Series, what would the title be? My guess would be “Beyond the Barriers.”
Special Guest Stars:
• David Warner
• Charles Cooper
• Cynthia Gouw
&
• Laurence Luckinbill as “Sybok”
Music by Jerry Goldsmith
Based Upon “Star Trek” Created by Gene Roddenberry
Story by William Shatner, Harve Bennett & David Loughery
Screenplay by David Loughery
Executive Consultant: Gene Roddenberry
Executive Producer: Ralph Winter
Produced by Harve Bennett
Directed by William Shatner
VFX Supervisor: Bran Ferren
VFX: Associates & Ferren, Illusion Arts, Westheimer Company, Industrial Light & Magic (stock footage)
New Spacecraft Models: Greg Jein
Computer Readouts: Michael Okuda
Theme from “Star Trek” Composed by Alexander Courage
A Paramount Pictures Release
@@darthkurland I'd have titled it "Life is But a Dream" given TOS penchant for cerebral episode titles.
@@darthkurland That title is awesome
1989 was sure a big year for movies. Star Trek 5, Back To The Future 2, Ghostbusters 2, Lethal Weapon 2, Do The Right Thing, Batman and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
And Tango & Cash.
I remember that summer of movies, perfect for an imaginative young boy. That makes me feel old.
Okay. Are you saying good movies? Bad? Bit of a mixed bag there.
@@justincoleman3805 I would say all of the above.
New films: Batman, The Little Mermaid, Honey, I Shrunk The Kids and Do The Right Thing.
Good Sequels: Back To The Future 2, Lethal Weapon 2, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,
Bad Sequels: Star Trek 5 and Ghostbusters 2
I was 14 in 1989... good times... good times👍🏼
Final Frontier has some of the best character moments in the movies. Having said that I think Harve Bennett was correct when he pointed out that once you establish the plot as being a 'quest for God' you've given yourself the impossible task of delivering something that satisfies the entire audience. Also I remember literally cringing at the special effects when I saw it in the cinema. It would have been interesting to see what ILM could have brought to the overall visual sense of the movie if they were available at the time.
Have a soft spot for this one, despite all its flaws. The dynamic of the Main Trio is explored better here than in the other movies, Sybok is a compelling and well acted Character and the Scene in the Observation Longue where he confronts Spock and McCoy with their pain is utterly fantastic. Great musical Score, too.
I'd rather watch ST:V than any of the crap we get now, just doesn't feel like Trek any more. I really think ST:V is underrated, yes its got some problems, but there is a lot of good here, anyways be gentle. :)
Agreed, Gene Rodenberry would not be happy i dont think
@@saintmangina Gene would turn in his grave at every Trek production since the TNG and DS9 series ended.
Ravens Thorne so so true.
I enjoy this film. Simple as that!
Yeah, FF isvery classic star trek and has a solid premise that I admire Shatner for even attempting to make work. JJ doesn't know jack about this series just cares about dumb mystery boxes and the emotions of the moment. That's why Spock is always emotional and punches people left and right. Very poor choice but I feel it was an audition to see if they could give him the star wars franchise... ST deserves better. And now we have ST Picard...what a shit show...
I still watch this from time to time if it's on TV.
yep it's still a reasonable watch as bad as it is.
The campfire scene is my favourite trek moment.
I never quite understood the big dislike for this one and the first Star Trek movie, especially the latter. I found The Final Frontier sufficiently enjoyable despite its flaws.
I love the original cast movies--including this one--and can binge watch them any time...
Love the row your boat scene. Its one of the best scenes that show these guys as old friends and not afraid to take the piss out them selfs
The lesser films are more interesting to talk about. Interesting stuff Oliver.
The older i get the more i love Star Trek V. Not only does it feel more like an episode of TOS but it also is about family... friendship... and past regrets that even thou they hurt... they still are vital elements of your character as it made you who you are. And that is a level of "cutting deep" that makes Star Trek so damn good. And if the circumstances of the production would have been better we totally would have gotten an even better movie. Jerry Goldsmith's score for this movie is absolutely top notch. Sooo many beautiful touching cues and themes.
"What would God need with a Star Ship?"
That's absolutely my favorite line in all of Star Trek. Star Trek V has the best premise but the absolutely worst execution. It's unfortunate.
Always love the late Jerry goldsmith score,he went before his time,I miss his music same go’s with James Horner.R.I.P.
The Rock Monsters were actually on strike, but were later cast in Galaxy Quest.
Might be worth mentioning that Shatner’s rock monster finally showed up in «Galaxy Quest» (1999)
Ahh, Galaxy Quest. The second best Star Trek Movie!
"It's made of Stone!! It has no weak spot!!"
I was 6 when this came out - a massive trekkie - I remember all the advertising stuff. I think I learnt the script from a comic that came out. I never got to see this in the cinema, but I did get to see ST6 - the undiscovered country. I really enjoyed that one.
Daniel Goodridge I saw ST V with my brother and his friend in London. 14 years old and no grown ups. Great trip to central London. But as a Trekkie über nerd then- I was a bit let down. Without realising that ST V was godawful
So pressure was on for ST VI. And boy it was beautiful
“I could use a shower...”.
“Yes”!
I actually enjoy this film now. Given the state of modern trek it’s a masterpiece lol
i really like the scene with Sybok and when he tries to "manipulate" kirk,spock and mccoy...
"I NEED MY PAIN TO KNOW WHO I AM"!
Watched the first ten movies in a row last year. Hadn't seen V due to its woeful reputation. Really enjoyed it. All the characters, even the bit players have ...well ... character. Far more enjoyable than the Next Gen movies.
David Warner was also in the famous Star Trek The Next Generation two part episode where he plays the Kardassian torturing Picard.
He was also a klingon on undiscovered country.
I love this move. Yeah, I said it! Aside from the silliness it has some of the best character moments with Kirk, Bones, and Spock and the plot is like straight out of a TOS episode.
If they remade this in the Kelvin Universe, would Kirk, Spock, and Bones sit around the fire singing Beastie Boys songs?
I really like this movie. I had no idea everyone hated it until AOL chat rooms in the early 90's.
"Our destination lies in the center of the galaxy "
Thirty five years later:
" what does GOD need with a starship??"
I like playing 'spot the TNG setpiece' in this one
Also works in Undiscovered Country.
I think the scene when Sybok shows Bones and Spock their pain is one of the best-directed scenes in all the Star Trek movies. I love the way its lit and how it's shot in a theatrical manner and as the scene progresses the great barrier gets closer and closer in the windows behind them. Shatner did make some bad choices but for the most part, Star Trek 5 is a decently directed movie. I like it and never thought this movie was the worst Star Trek movie. Insurrection holds that title for me.
I've always liked this movie. Saw it several times at the cinema back in the day. LOL at the mini-Uhura on top of McCoy's head at 0:46
Dat Jerry Goldsmith score, though...
Hard to believe this was only his second Trek film
Utter genius! The Motion Picture = possibly the greatest score of all time, and yet here he takes the main themes and weaves a completely new feel, more emotional but equally epic.
This was a well balanced retrospective. Thank you for taking the time to make it.
Pity everyone just puts their own self important comments in the comments section.
How about some appreciation for this man's incredible work and output.
You're amazing Oliver Harper. I did a 6 hour clean up of my horribly messed up garage and your retrospectives kept me going through it.
Thank you so much...
Oh and Shattner was right. God is very real.
The Final Frontier is one of my favourites. Always liked it. People will say 6 is an improvement but when you put both films side by side they both have good qualities the other doesn't have. I don't care about the whole odd numbered curse, some of the even numbered numbers I thought were terrible. A highly underrated movie.
I enjoy this for what it is. There are cool ideas in this one. And one of the movie's strong points is the focus on the trinity of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
The best line in the whole movie is “Shooting space garbage is no test of a warrior’s mettle.” simply because it could also describe everyone’s feelings while making the movie.
I saw the Nostalgia Critic review too.
Nah. The best line is, "Please, Captain. Not in front of the Klingons."
”I am preparing to toast...a marshmelon.”
My rankings of the Star Trek movies from worst to best:
ST Into Darkness: Embarrasing trash
ST5 The Final Frontier: Just Shatner venting his ego
ST 2009: Awful first half, decent second half
ST Insurrection: Does nothing to advance the main story
ST The Motion Picture: Boring, but surprisingly very relaxing
ST Beyond: A more original story made it a little more enjoyable
ST Nemesis: An ok ending for TNG, sadly the big follow up movie was cancelled
ST3 The Search for Spock: Pales compared to ST2, but ties up some loose ends
ST6 The Undiscovered Country: Great closure for the TOS story
ST Generations: An extremely underrated gem
ST First Contact: Awesome follow up to Generations
ST2 Wrath of Khan: Great plot, action, villain, everything. Redeems the first movie
ST4 The Voyage Home: Fun piled on fun. Always gives me a happy feeling
Generations? Underrated gem? Really?
Agree with you on Star Trek Generations and Nemesis being better than the JJ Abrams crap. Generations is one of my top 3 since it was the first Star Trek movie I ever saw
@@kirishima638 You got a problem with Generations, jodie?
Generations was far improved on second viewing imho. Big negative is the utterly rubbish way Kirk bowed out.
Interesting list friend! I would flip your #1 and #2, however I can totally understand and respect your views on that one. What I do have questions about, is the "decent second half" comment regarding ST 2009. Sorry, but I can't respect as screenplay that writes itself into a corner, by having Kirk and Scotty marooned, only to violate the established world logic by having Scotty MacGyvr a transporter that can beam people hundreds, if not thousands, of light years away onto a starship moving at warp. Why would you need starships for after this if you could create such a device with limited power and resources? (Yep, JJ didn't just try to turn Star Trek into Star Wars, but also Stargate!) For this reason, I say ST 2009 is just all bad. However again, I agree with its' placement on your list.
I have a soft spot for this: The opening, the score, Sybok,... Thanks for the retrospective 🥃👌🏻
24:30 fascinating sound waves captain
No mention of the insanity of “Deck 72”!?
The only thing I really like about this film is that it’s the first only appearance of TOS movie era shuttles. Yeh I like the starships, sue me.
The Jerry Goldsmith score is amazing. Reminds me of the general opinion of The Motion Picture. Lame movie, but amazing score by Jerry Goldsmith too.
Buuuut there were shuttles used in both The Motion Picture and Wrath of Khan.
Alex Air trams and travel pods yes, but I meant the actual starship shuttlecraft.
NOT YOU I’m pretty sure there’s a shuttle on Earth in TMP
I’m so with you? Deck 72? And numbers ascending while going up???? Bonkers
“You want me to hold him, Jim!” 😂
“Do you have Star Trek 5?”📼
"Sorry. I just sold my last copy."
@Sprocket List I always did the same :D With VHS tapes and DVDs. Cannot do that anymore since receipts nowdays are all thermo prints who fade over the years...
VHS, Bluray
You forgot David Warner's unforgettable performance in TMNT II: The Secret of the Ooze
I think that conceptually, this is the most imaginative and ambitious of all the Star Trek films, but it just didn't have the resources to see it through. It also has one of the best dramatic scenes, as McCoy facing his father's death was beautifully directed and performed. Shatner was no slouch, and he knew what he wanted, but I think it was just a case of bad luck and bad timing.
'I know this ship like the back of my hand', Scotty walks into the beam...genius. Spock, 'Hold your horse Captain'...genius. 'God' scared me to death as a kid. Genius. When Kirk is alone and running back to the shuttle and there are all the noises and then the scene in the shuttle craft. Scary stuff. Overall, I love this one. Its very very good, but it does look a bit cheap and dodgy in places.
I've grown to enjoy The Final Frontier ironically as I've framed the whole film as an unreliable narrator's retelling of events from Kirk's POV which helps explain how ridiculous & Kirk centric the story is. I like to believe the 'actual events' of the film happened very differently
I'm consistently impressed by your opening edits or "trailers" that you cut together. They always get me so hyped for the movie!
The score in this is beautiful, almost worth watching for it alone. Love your review videos, such brilliant content.
Isn't it sad when the Trek films (TOS) are still way more enjoyable than anything getting produced currently. The Trek and StarWars universe's were so different from one another and that's why both franchises can be enjoyed in their own unique ways, nowadays with all the laser blasts etc, they are not as separate as they once were.
"I couldn't help but notice your pain. It runs deep... Share it with me!!!!"
I saw this for the first time just recently and it was FAR better than it was originally given credit for. When it was new, people criticized it heavily and said "they meet god." They didn't even get the story right. In truth, it was very very "Trek".
As others have noted here, ST V was the most like an episode of TOS. Yes, it has its shortcomings, but it's still good, campy fun.
I saw this in the theater and was so disappointed after seeing Part IV, which wasn't great, but highly entertaining.
I just re-watched this movie and enjoyed it for its humor and especially the well-working chemistry between Kirk, Spock and Bones. So thank you for this favorable review, Oliver Harper, with which I totally agree. Except, I did like the Yosemite scenes! Of course, minus Kirk's plunge of off El Capitan which looked like it's been done back in the 60s. 😆
I feel the movie has its moments. Certainly takes away a bit of the sting to know where its shortcomings derived from. I like that Shatner has shown interest to try to get it remastered.
Also, definitely consider me very intrigued in that NES prototype. It looks decent.
The camping scenes were my favorite. :)
All the real Star Trek movies were thought provoking and forward-looking. Much missed and highly valued.
Oh dear.. It's very sad to see Oliver, with the benefit of hindsight, trucking out the same tired arguments from 30 years ago. The same lazy, received opinions people share unthinkingly about the plot, Shatner's ego, the superficial flaws, as if they've never watched the show before..
This thinking stems from the odd numbered films being the least commercial.
Shatner was at least ambitious about exploring weighty ideas, but it's his understanding and development of the Kirk, Spock, McCoy relationship, which was never better, that is indispensible for any true fan.
Bones and Spock in particular develop from their mutual spikyness to a much closer bond that carries over into the next film.
The overlooked genius of The Motion Picture is that the characters also develop throughout the film. The awkwardness and coldness after having gone their seperate ways for 10 years, as well as Kirk's buttoned up seniority, subtly thaw out by the end with the full crew back together again.
There's always been a section of the fanbase wanting Trek to be more commercial, which explains the nonsensical support in some places for the recent STD & Picard shows.
The Final Frontier doesn't pander. It's proper Trek as any true fan knows.
Star Trek V is a great concept that was executed in a suboptimal fashion. The best thing about it was Sybok. He felt like a three dimensional character who eventually saw the error of his ways.
I find it interesting how the least favourite Star Trek movies TMP and ST V with most fans are actually my favourites. I feel as if it is completely overlooked how these two films of all ST movies have the deepest themes on the human condition and what it means to be a sentient being in search for the most impossible answers to our own existence and the lengths we would go to understand ourselves.
My only real complaints are minimal, the ridiculous number of decks shown in the turbolift and the fact that the refit enterprise being glitch ridden carried onto the hand held devices that would break down for no reason and came off as silly. Aside from those issues, the overall message and Kirk's line, "I need my pain." Is in my opinion his most powerful and character heavy statement he has ever made.
I agree. I and V are my favoruites as well. They many not be very exciting but they're more introspective than the others.
My late mom (a Trekkie herself) stayed on the positive side of all the Star Trek films from TMP to Nemesis. To me, Jerry Goldsmith's music score was one of the positive things about this film.
This movie works best if you think of it as a “dream”. At the beginning Kirk goes to sleep in Yosemite, dreams the events of the movie and then wakes up in Yosemite at the end. Thinking of it like that makes it easier to overlook its MANY flaws, because it’s all a dream.
That being said, the scene with McCoy and Spock reliving their pain is one of the best and most powerful scenes in all of Star Trek. I was 14 when this was in theaters in 1989
As I've gotten older, the respect I have for this film keeps growing. I've completely dismissed the special effects and some of the nonsensical aspects, in favor of the relationship between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. The campfire scenes perfectly bookend this story. It's all about dialog like...
McCoy: "All that time in space, getting on each other's nerves. And what do we do when shore leave comes along? We spend it together. Other people have families."
Kirk: "Other people, Bones. Not us."
...to come full circle in this scene...
Kirk: "Spock?"
Spock: "I was thinking of Sybok. I've lost a brother."
Kirk: "Yes. I lost a brother once. I was lucky I got him back."
McCoy: "I thought you said men like us don't have families."
Kirk: "I was wrong."
Great video on a movie that's kind of a guilty pleasure for me, believe it or not, but at 8:32 I noticed there are two pieces of concept art from "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine."
When I saw that part I thought "that looks like DS9!"
One of the more humorous moments in the film is when Kirk is being given orders to proceed to Nimbus 3 and tells the admiral, "We're the only ship in the quadrant?" Surely there are other ships?"
To me the camping scenes between Kirk, Spock and McCoy are some of the best in Star Trek.
Star Trek 5 has always been one of my favourite entries.
Okay so it’s not great but at least it’s fun in a so bad it’s good kind of way.
Although the Spock brother stuff was not needed at all.
"Enjoyable yet unspectacular" - is that the review in a nutshell? :D
Despite his role not being huge and he only has a handful of lines, Scotty was my favourite part of this movie.
I just don't understand why Paramount doesn't bring back Shatner to make a director's cut with top tier visual effects fully realizing his vision, the same way they helped Robert Wise realize his for TMP twice in 2000 and 2022.
Star Trek v is the only film where the original crew started and finished the film serving on the enterprise so in that respect it is the only 'complete' ST classic film. A few years ago a German animator called mylex ( with others ) reimagined some of the sfx and the effect was amazing - each scene was revitalized.
No matter how much flak Star Trek V gets its still my favorite out of all the movies
I saw the film in theaters at age 19. I saw all of them in theaters, though I was only 9 when Star Trek The Motion Picture came out, a film that was kind of scary, hard to follow, and made me fall asleep a few times. Still, I have always loved the first movie, and though disappointed in Star Trek V, it has enough good that I could never just ignore it.
The idea of Kirk seeing David is amazing. I so wish they could have filmed that with Merritt Butrick. After the vision, Kirk would refuse to have it taken from him, as he needs that pain. Oh how awesome that would be. The Spock vision falls a bit flat, but the McCoy vision is stunning and I have always felt that it was DeForest Kelley's absolute best work.
Even with extra footage, I don't think the film would be improved much. Simply put, the script simply fails to deliver some of the great things you suggest, such as exploring Spock and Sybok's relationship more. The humor is bad more often than it is good. I wish the studio would have stayed out of it and let humor scenes occur naturally. You could tell it was shoehorned in to mimic Trek IV.
Lawrence Luckinbill is absolutely great as the emotional Vulcan Sybok. I don't mind Spock having a brother like many other fans do, as it is deeply personal to Spock and easy to see why he never mentioned him before. Thank goodness they couldn't get Sean Connery. While a great actor, he would be the absolute wrong choice for Sybok. "Shhhpock, itshh me, Shybok!"
I have the Intrada special edition score on CD, and yes, it is worth every penny. I love Jerry Goldsmith ' s work on the Trek series and agree that he was a perfect fit.
Maybe some day Star Trek V will get some attention. Maybe a completely new cut like Robert Wise did with The Motion Picture could help improve the pacing. And yes, it really needs some enhanced visual effects. I know that a movie shouldn't be judged on SFX alone, but this is a case where the poor visuals really are a distraction.
I also love The Motion Picture. That's the best Star Trek movie.
I remember watching it when I was like 5 years old 30 years ago. It has left a mark on me for the rest of my life and love for Star Trek.
TMP is my favourite too, and this one is my second favourite .
I don't know if it's the best Trek-movie, but in my book it's the best Sci-fi-Movie of the series.