When the Charlotte Hornets played in the Charlotte Coliseum, the Coliseum was nicknamed "The Hive." Also, when Charlotte had a WNBA team, their nickname was the Swarm.
@@freder1c Boston isn't the only team to use yellow and black. It will probably be similar to Winnipeg and NYR. Both use similar colors but very different jersey's.
Terrible ownership for 2 decades + a snake oil salesman as their last owner. At least Ryan Smith will treat them well. I get a feeling we’ll be dealing with deja vu in 7-10 years with the coyotes 2.0
Large parts of Utah are pretty similar to Arizona, so the Coyotes name and colors would absolutely fit. The main thing is I think Ryan Smith would prefer to build a new branding instead of piggybacking off an existing one, while Meruelo would prefer to keep the name in Arizona so he can at the very least save face after selling the team. It works out for all parties that way.
@@user-cr1iz8fw6h If you were only comparing the main cities, maybe you'd have a point, but both states have plenty of deserts, canyons, mountains, similar wildlife, etc.
The current owner had to be strong-armed into paying for the hotel rooms when The Coyotes were visiting other cities. This current owner doesn't give a damn about the hockey team, he just wants that land to develop some expensive fucking multi-use commercial property.
The NHL already said the name and logo stays in AZ . AZ has a 5year window to get everything in row then they will get moved top of list for expansion.
I have been to all the Frozen Fury games played at the Delta Center and the sight lines arent bad for hockey. They need to make renovations on the ends, and Ryan Smith has said he is happy to do this.
Yeah, the Delta Center has been hosting hockey games since it opened in 1991 (albeit at the minor league level), so this isn't unfamiliar territory. No need to reinvent the wheel by building an entirely new arena so long as the Delta Center's infrastructure is intact, which it seems to be.
@ecstasycalculus Yeah I remember when the Grizzlies won their back to back Calder Cups, they moved playoff games to the Delta Center due to the demand for tickets. They sold out, even selling out tickets with partial view obsruction!
I don't know a lot about sports but I remember, as a kid, there was a hockey team called the Salt Lake Golden Eagles. They were part of the IHL, which I guess is a minor league in hockey and I think they won what was called the Turner cup back then. I don't know how well that team did but I heard them talked about on the radio a lot.
I did hear plans to bring the NHL back to Phoenix, so that's good news, they need to make sure that new arena is in downtown Phoenix because the Coyotes had a great start in Phoenix down there. Utah will be a great market for the NHL as that's a winter sports city.
The issue is that before the Coyotes, Glendale was just mostly farmland, and their plan to turn it into a destination failed, and both the team and city bled millions in the endeavour.
One of my favorite news anchors on KSL radio, Jeff Kaplan, made a comment on his minute of news that the Utah yetis would be appropriate. Naming the team after the abominable snowman would work well with the abominable play of the Utah Jazz this year. Lol
@@realalbertanwell what I've heard is that Alex meruelo current owner is only selling with a guarantee the NHL returns to Phoenix in the next 5 years.
@@ogieoglethorpe3788Demographics and population trends say otherwise. Also just with Atlanta, NHL desperately tried to keep the team there. NHL themselves Even owned the team at one and searched everywhere for an owner to keep a team there They want that market. Especially since it will soon be in the US top 10 in population soon
The current rumor is that the board of governors needs a 100% vote yes for az to get a team again. No one has confirmed the specifics of that rumor but if it's true I don't see the BoG playing nice with Coyotes ownership
They were saying on 32 thoughts earlier that some of the other owners weren't happy with Meruelo and thought the league was being too easy on him. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was some pushback in the future towards him being let back in.
5:29 Is this supposed to be a double arena, one for basketball/hockey and one for soccer/football? If built, it could help Phoenix's chances of getting an MLS franchise...
There is a lot of discussion about how the Delta Center is not suitable for hockey. So why has there been no talk of using the home of the minor league hockey team, the Utah Grizzlies, the Maverik Center, until there is a new arena built?
Ty: trouble is there aren't enough of you, they couldn't fill a 4600 seat college arena on most nights, and when it was full 3/4 of the fans were for the opposing team...
Also an AZ hockey fan here! The reason we had to stop going is ticket prices. There’s no way our family can afford to go. I don’t know if that’s a league wide thing, but we used to be able to attend games back in the day. As far as opposing team fans, we see that at a lot of Diamondback games also.
Unfortunately it's going to happen. Look at MLS. It's in the interest of gate-driven leagues to expand not only for the expansion fees but because revenue is driven by attendance. If revenue was more TV-based (like the NBA or NFL) than dilutting the product with more teams is a hazard you have to take into more consideration lol Also the NHL has the fewest American teams of any of the big five (MLB, NHL, NFL, NBA, MLS) sports leagues and so I can totally see the league at at least 36 teams in the next five to 15 years lol
If they do expansion, they would need to figure that out ASAP, like which other city gets a team. Unless they do exactly like the Browns and the new Coyotes join as the 33rd team, alone, and then figure out a 34th team later on. (The Browns were the 31st team, then 3 years later, the Texans joined).
That Delta Center configuration will lead to capacity of slightly above 14,000 which will still be the lowest in the league but that’ll be temporary should that new home for the Jazz and the soon-to-be former Coyotes gets approved and built.
If we had giant affordable youth hockey leagues in the southern U.S.there would be better support for more fans and for more players for massive expansion
The thing that doesn't work with Phoenix getting an expansion club is the possibility they will be a contending team, but Utah will have the work in progress team. Yes, they will have a solid base to build from but they will be a year or two from being a playoff contender. That's also assuming several west teams go into rebuild at the same time too.
5:50 So... genuine question. Do you just not know American geography, the fact that SLC has always been in the middle of a desert itself, or the fact that coyotes are as ubiquitous in Utah as they are in other southwestern states? That doesn't mean they should take the name or branding or anything, your reasoning is just ignorant honestly.
Arizona, Houston Atlanta. Will all be in US top ten metros in population, diverse and growing fast. Hartford is losing population. Quebec City and Hamilton metros don't even have 1 million people in them.
Come the day of the land auction, June 27th, I DO NOT THINK ALEX MERUELO WILL SHOW UP TO BUY THE PROPERTY. HE'LL BE A NO SHOW and Coyotes fans will receive the final kick in the nuts! Should the NHL ever desire to expand, ALEX MERUELO MUST NOT BE APART OF A NEW TEAM! HE'S SCREWED THE FANS HERE LONG ENOUGH!
I love this deal because if they expand to the west, then Quebec may finally get a team for the East. Every notice how Pierre Karl Peladeau has been silent since the Vegas expansion? I'm sure he was told to be quiet, and when the time comes, they will play ball with him.
Let me say this being I live in the Phoenix area. There wont be a chance in hell Phoenix will get an opportunity at an expansion team if every single Mayor in the Valley doesn't give a clean slate. if every single Mayor in the Valley believes in second chances, then I want the Glendale Mayor to allow a new NHL team to play at Desert Diamond Arena. Otherwise give an expansion team to San Diego instead because Desert Diamond Arena is a hockey venue. There's no need for a new one to get built. That's the reason why a new one didn't get voted on in the first place and now Arizona is about to lose a hockey team over it!
Apparently Arizona was promised an expansion team by Bettman, wouldn’t you think that he / the NHL would learn by now that Phoenix is not a good market? Oh, wait I forgot about Atlanta…..
The two fast growing, large US markets with diverse (main reason why. NHL needs to grow hockey beyond White people) populations and will soon be in US top ten metro areas in population. Where do you think expansion so go? White, stagnant population, small market Quebec City and Hamilton where their metros don't even have 1 million people?
@@HoshizakiYoshimasafinally someone who gets up. You don’t gain anything by going to Hamilton or Quebec. It doesn’t grow the sport because they already watch it. The NHL didn’t return to Winnipeg because they wanted to be there, they didn’t have any other viable option anywhere else.
@@DeadAir21you don’t gain anything by losing a 3rd team in Atlanta or a 2nd team in Phoenix either, but hopefully by that point expansion will be done and they will be forced to move the teams to an area that will support them stronglyb
@@johnepants of course you do. Atlanta is the #7 media market and Phoenix is #11. That’s tens of millions of potential eyeballs on the sport that needs them. Bad ownership plagued both of them. You get them the right owner and a building in the right part of the metro they both could work and make the league and the owners more valuable.
@@DeadAir21 you can’t keep blaming bad ownership again and again. I go back to a common saying “if you think everyone is an asshole, maybe it’s actually you”. Maybe the owners in Phoenix can’t make any money because they can’t sell tickets or merchandise. Same for Atlanta. Eventually the local fanbase has to take ownership in letting things get crappy for their teams. Meruello is a historically crappy owner, but this team has been viewed as a failure long before he bought it. Sometimes you just have to admit that there isn’t a market for that sport in certain towns.
Most of the land around Phoenix and its suburb are built up. They are not going to build an arena out in the middle of nowhere that takes forever to get to.
Not when the owner has to make his multi-billion dollar entertainment district ego project. If it were *just* an arena that he was making, then there would 100% be a lot more options.
This whole situation is rich people playing games with each other and the poor fans of the yotes pay the price, I feel bad for them or any fans that lose their team of billionaire egos
SLC is the favorite to get the MLB expansion team in the West. Nashville in the East. MLB schedule does not overlap much with the NHL and NBA seasons, so no big deal.
@@nikolaspaz8820 Yeah, it's between Nashville and Charlotte in the East, but Nashville seems to be the favorite. I think the Rays either get their new ballpark in St. Pete's or move to Orlando. Looks like MLB is saving one of Nashville or Charlotte as the expansion team city.
@@michaelmarkowski204 I think St. Pete will approve the Rays stadium there is some opposition from taxpayers but the county is voting for it and they just got an important endorsement from the NCAAP
@@roberthoyt7921 I think Houston is going to be looked at as option before any Canadian city. It's the 4th largest city in the US and the 6th largest TV market.
That's what they said about Atlanta. The 3rd new team is right around the corner. If you have a big money owner you can wait out and play anywhere. Look at the Florida Panthers !!!
Lowkey wouldn’t mind the Coyotes never coming back, as long as we get an MLS team in Phoenix. Don Garbage (MLS Commissioner) wants a retractable roof stadium tho cuz “it’s too hot” Rising games always feel fine tho, even in June.
Have commented to you a few times, there is another option. They could play in the 12,000 seat Maverik Center in West Valley which is much better suited for hockey. However Ryan Smith does not own the Maverik Center but owns the Delta Center. Guess which arena Ryan wants his NHL team play in. I give you one guess. Also I think MLB is all but ready to build the baseball stadium on word of any news on expansion or team relocating. Getting NHL will not effect whether baseball comes to Salt Lake or not. Both ownership groups are very serious, both have secured a little under a billion State funding investing in both, particularly the baseball group that is going to revitalize an area of Salt Lake that has become an eyesore. The real question is where Ryan Smith builds the new arena. Does he stay in downtown Salt Lake or build on the southern edge of the Salt Lake valley?
Big prediction is that after Alex Murello sells the Coyotes to the NHL the NHL will sell the team to Matt Ishbia and he keeps them in Phoenix and Ryan Miller will get a expansion or relocation team.
You never know I seen crazier things happen in sports with teams that we’re going to relocate such as the Penguins, Predators and Blues but we’re saved at the last second.
A Billionaire foreigner bought the land in South Las Vegas just east of I-15, across from Silverton Hotel & Cssino, saying he is bringing an NBA team to Vegas in TWO years.
Thing is, I do believe with the right ownership, hockey can work in Phoenix. But this is not the right ownership. I'm getting flashbacks to Bernard Glidberman when he owned the Ottawa Rough riders in the CFL. After the 1993 season when the league expanded to the US, he wanted to move them to the US, and he was already running the team into the ground and pissing off people in Ottawa so the league got him to sell the team (minus 5 players of his choice) and he got a new expansion team in the US. But after 2 years his Shreveport Pirates were done. He somehow got a hold of the Ottawa Renegades years later and ran them into the ground too.
MLS has been expanding like crazy the last decade! (nearly a new team every year). NHL gave it a try twice and it worked both times, Someone will step up and try to pitch something together for a new team in AZ. fans will be happy, espesically if it's not the AZ owner they have now.
With the dying dollar and the state of the world in general, I’d hazard a guess the league will be scrambling to relocate franchises rather than expand. Blue collar fans are getting their asses kicked financially and without any money to fill the vacuum, teams go tits up pretty quick.
If Arizona gets an expansion team after all this I will be PISSED! There are so many cities that would love a team just for the league to give them a team after all this. San Antonio, Houston, Atlanta, etc. all would support a team
the new big rumor said the Coyotes relocated not to Salt Lake but in Quebec City,Qc,Canada. The building are there ,the buyers a ready and the fans in Quebec city pray for that
@@slapshotjack9806 how can Salt Lake City happening. They have nothing better than Quebec City. Its not only Quebec City but all proince of Quebec who go watch Nordiques play . Its a passionate hockey market in Quebec and who don't want the revival of the biggest and intence rivality in NHL history Montreal vs Quebec City. The building are always there (brand new) , the buyers are there to. Salt Lake City , WTF
@@slapshotjack9806 heu ,you dont know how popular are hockey in Canada? its our national sports. Nobody cares of basketball,baseball or soccer here. here its only hockey. Salt Lake city its nobody cares of UTAH. wtf
Not going to happen, Can't even get an arena WITH a team, zero chance they get an arena built after 20 years of trying WITHOUT a team. plus the owners reputation is absolutely in the drain. League has no confidence in him at all that's why they pulled the plug before the June land auction. Just telling him that so he doesn't sue the NHL
The Coyotes was never really Arizona's team since they had moved there from Winnipeg. Same with the Cardinals who moved there from St. Louis. The only real home teams are the D-Backs and Suns.
They have the best overall success as well unlike the cardinals despite a upstart year that my team the Steelers just beat in the Super Bowl that year like 15 years ago.
@@Politano1955 yeah im gonna have to i disagree with the Cardinals though i think the Cardinals are Azs team sure they came from other cities but i think they are apart of the culture now rather than Chicago and St. Louis similar to the Suns and Dbacks now i agree with the Coyotes though i don’t know anyone in Az that roots for the Coyotes…Sure the Cardinals had losing seasons but we got fans way more than the Yotes and *Kurt bty…
I think the league wants to wash their hands of this ownership group. The chance to get the team back is heavily caveated to my understanding, to the point where I feel like it was done to cover some kind of legal requirement. But I think they want this embarrassment of an ownership group gone
Next season, the Coyotes will relocate to Salt Lake City after 28 seasons in the Phoenix area and use the Delta Center as their temporary home arena until their new downtown arena is built for either the 2026-27 or 2027-28 NHL season. On April 17, 2025, Craig Leipold will sell the Wild to a Houston-based group headed by Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta and Toyota mega-dealer Dan Friedkin for $1.82 billion. On May 19, 2025, Michael Andlauer and the late Eugene Melnyk’s family will sell the Senators to a Hartford-based group headed by billionaire hedge fund managers Ray Dalio and Todd Boehly for $1.68 billion. In the 2025-26 NHL season, the Wild will relocate to Houston after 25 seasons in the Twin Cities to become the Outlaws and play their home games at Toyota Center, while the Senators will relocate to Hartford after 33 seasons in Ottawa to become the Whalers and play their home games at the XL Center.
NHL is wacked out. Tickets are like $10 for US teams in cities who only see ice in their cups. Meanwhile Toronto could fill 3 more arenas for full price ... but expand in 'nowhere' land NHL.
@@user-dq4ik4kc2c If what I heard is correct the NHL was more concerned with the state of the facilities at Mullet rather than the capacity anyway. When you have NHL teams dressing in a "room" divided by curtains and full of folding chairs you know you have some serious issues. Also Salt Lake City has already approved 900M$ of taxpayer money to build a new multi-function sports arena (Unlike in Arizona where the Owner is on the hook to build the arena himself and doesn't even own the land yet. The $ in SLC was meant to entice the NHL, which worked) meaning the Delta Center is only temporary until that new arena is built.
A Metropolitan area that's shrinking in population, has a microscopic TV market and got outnumbered in their own place by Bruins and Rangers fans whenever they played those teams in 90s. No. Just no.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa I’m just speaking for the people. Everyone wants the Whalers to come back.😉 Hockey in Salt Lake City makes as much sense as it did in Arizona. At least go to Milwaukee or Quebec City.
Delta Center isn’t much better than Mullett Arena for NHL. The amount of unobstructed seats will be about the same amount as seats at Mullett Arena. I love Mullett, but it’s not suitable for the NHL. Neither is Delta Center
Im pretty sure the max capacity in the delta center with a rink inside is 13 thousand. I would be stunned if it was the same amount of seating as mullett arena
10,000 seats make it much more palatable for the NHL. Not to mention that the NHL has lost almost a faith in the current owner on getting anything done at this point. The new owner gets $900 million in public funding to build a new arena while Arizona has committed $0. So it makes sense the NHL wants to look elsewhere.
The owner COULD be dumb and build a new arena. That has no team/tenant 😳😰🤔😐 The NHL would need to approve an expansion and the league would most likely go to 32. However there’s already questions as to where another expansion team would be. Former NHL Cities like Atlanta and Quebec City pop up. Cleveland is also considered an option given their AHL heirachy lately, but would need to be more east coast oriented. It’s definitely possible. But idk if the league is ready to explore cities they have already failed to garner an audience.
They want Houston and Phoenix and Atlanta equally. Maybe just expand 2 teams and then move Islanders or Devils to the other city. NY metro doesn't't need 3. The Houston Devils has a great ring to it. Or maybe move Anaheim Ducks. LA metro doesn't need 2 teams
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa I’m an Islanders fan having grown up in NYC. Islanders to Houston would be epic. But they just built a new arena and have a loyal fan base. I don’t think the Devils will leave NJ. Back in the 80’s Peter Pockington the former Edmonton Oilers owner almost moved the Oilers to Houston. Houston Aeros were a WHA team with Gordie Howe and his sons. Houston just wants an NHL team.
Why i am against expansion is because how watered down the league will be. Finding a elite centre needed to win a cup is like finding a franchise qb in football. With that more teams than ever will not be good enough to compete for a cup.
How is Coyotes any different then Jazz? 🙄 As far as the Athletics, you gotta keep the name. Philadelphia, Kansas City, Oakland, Sacramento or Las Vegas...doesn't matter. If you want to rebrand, you change the uniform colors, but you keep the Athletics name and the Old English "A". Long iconic baseball name with so much history.
Going off of the bee theme they could be the... Salt Lake City Swarm
The arena could be called the "hive".
Utah XYZ
I actually like that as a Utah resident
When the Charlotte Hornets played in the Charlotte Coliseum, the Coliseum was nicknamed "The Hive." Also, when Charlotte had a WNBA team, their nickname was the Swarm.
I live in Salt Lake City and the name that I have heard is the front runner is the Utah yetis. I kind of like that too.
@@freder1c Boston isn't the only team to use yellow and black. It will probably be similar to Winnipeg and NYR. Both use similar colors but very different jersey's.
Terrible ownership for 2 decades + a snake oil salesman as their last owner. At least Ryan Smith will treat them well. I get a feeling we’ll be dealing with deja vu in 7-10 years with the coyotes 2.0
How about go to their games then?
Hopefully with stable ownership
@slapshotjack9806 yeah like a college level stadium will do any good lol
the betman himself is a snake oil salesman.
@@itslife1399 and that idiot owner gets a billion for team, total BS
Large parts of Utah are pretty similar to Arizona, so the Coyotes name and colors would absolutely fit. The main thing is I think Ryan Smith would prefer to build a new branding instead of piggybacking off an existing one, while Meruelo would prefer to keep the name in Arizona so he can at the very least save face after selling the team. It works out for all parties that way.
Name rights stay with old owner. Utah will have a different name.
What? It’s really not. Arizona is nothing like Utah lol.
@@user-cr1iz8fw6h If you were only comparing the main cities, maybe you'd have a point, but both states have plenty of deserts, canyons, mountains, similar wildlife, etc.
@@DarkForceEight Yes, we've established that...
The current owner had to be strong-armed into paying for the hotel rooms when The Coyotes were visiting other cities. This current owner doesn't give a damn about the hockey team, he just wants that land to develop some expensive fucking multi-use commercial property.
Good, the coyotes have been a dumpster fire for 3 decades now
Casino...
SLC should be excited, this is a good young team going forward
The NHL already said the name and logo stays in AZ . AZ has a 5year window to get everything in row then they will get moved top of list for expansion.
It’s dumb that they are even considering bringing the team back
no chance they get an arena, can't even get one with the team
I have been to all the Frozen Fury games played at the Delta Center and the sight lines arent bad for hockey. They need to make renovations on the ends, and Ryan Smith has said he is happy to do this.
Yeah, the Delta Center has been hosting hockey games since it opened in 1991 (albeit at the minor league level), so this isn't unfamiliar territory. No need to reinvent the wheel by building an entirely new arena so long as the Delta Center's infrastructure is intact, which it seems to be.
@ecstasycalculus Yeah I remember when the Grizzlies won their back to back Calder Cups, they moved playoff games to the Delta Center due to the demand for tickets. They sold out, even selling out tickets with partial view obsruction!
I don't know a lot about sports but I remember, as a kid, there was a hockey team called the Salt Lake Golden Eagles. They were part of the IHL, which I guess is a minor league in hockey and I think they won what was called the Turner cup back then. I don't know how well that team did but I heard them talked about on the radio a lot.
@@michaelharris9203 The Golden Eagles were extremely popular! They started in 1969 and lasted till 94 when they were sold and moved.
I did hear plans to bring the NHL back to Phoenix, so that's good news, they need to make sure that new arena is in downtown Phoenix because the Coyotes had a great start in Phoenix down there. Utah will be a great market for the NHL as that's a winter sports city.
32 teams are enough for any sports league. Also, the Coyotes had a very nice arena in Glendale, and they couldn't make it work for whatever reason.
The issue is that before the Coyotes, Glendale was just mostly farmland, and their plan to turn it into a destination failed, and both the team and city bled millions in the endeavour.
@@ResoluteMujigae But the Cardinals play in Glendale.
Utah Yetis appears to be the favorite so far.
One of my favorite news anchors on KSL radio, Jeff Kaplan, made a comment on his minute of news that the Utah yetis would be appropriate. Naming the team after the abominable snowman would work well with the abominable play of the Utah Jazz this year. Lol
New Area in plans in few years ! Will make changes at Delta for Hockey !
Salt Lake currently has 2 teams: the Jazz and Real Salt Lake. The Coyotes will give them 3.
MLS doesn't really count
@@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija I think MLS viewership pretty much matches NHL viewership in the past several years.
MLS is garbage! Minor league. Malone and Stockton put the Jazz in Utah on the map.
@@washingtonfootballskins cool beans. Doesn’t change the fact that MLS draws similar ratings as NHL.
@@washingtonfootballskins RSL is the only team in Salt Lake with a championship though
There are at least five cities that “deserve” a NHL team more than Phoenix. It would be bullshit if Phoenix jumps to the top of the list.
i dont think thats something you have to worry about. i highly doubt the league goes back to arizona
@@ogieoglethorpe3788 zero chance with the current owner
@@realalbertanwell what I've heard is that Alex meruelo current owner is only selling with a guarantee the NHL returns to Phoenix in the next 5 years.
@@ogieoglethorpe3788Demographics and population trends say otherwise. Also just with Atlanta, NHL desperately tried to keep the team there. NHL themselves Even owned the team at one and searched everywhere for an owner to keep a team there They want that market. Especially since it will soon be in the US top 10 in population soon
Name them
The current rumor is that the board of governors needs a 100% vote yes for az to get a team again. No one has confirmed the specifics of that rumor but if it's true I don't see the BoG playing nice with Coyotes ownership
They shouldn't get a team especially the one who's owning the team right now. They have mismanaged this team for 28 plus years.
@@shrekdaddy6912how has he mismanaged the team for 20 years? Meruelo bought the team in 2019.
They were saying on 32 thoughts earlier that some of the other owners weren't happy with Meruelo and thought the league was being too easy on him. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was some pushback in the future towards him being let back in.
@@cyan5161 is that posted on CZcams? I would like to hear that conversation
@@dominicgarcia34 The latest episode is uploaded to the SportsNet yt channel, Friedge brings it up about 17 min in.
5:29 Is this supposed to be a double arena, one for basketball/hockey and one for soccer/football? If built, it could help Phoenix's chances of getting an MLS franchise...
There is a lot of discussion about how the Delta Center is not suitable for hockey. So why has there been no talk of using the home of the minor league hockey team, the Utah Grizzlies, the Maverik Center, until there is a new arena built?
Videos are always dope and informative
As an Arizona hockey fan, I’d love to see a hockey team in Az.
Ty: trouble is there aren't enough of you, they couldn't fill a 4600 seat college arena on most nights, and when it was full 3/4 of the fans were for the opposing team...
Also an AZ hockey fan here! The reason we had to stop going is ticket prices. There’s no way our family can afford to go. I don’t know if that’s a league wide thing, but we used to be able to attend games back in the day. As far as opposing team fans, we see that at a lot of Diamondback games also.
Utah has the jazz for the NBA, and we have Real salt lake for the MLS
I am actively against further expansion of the league
Unfortunately it's going to happen. Look at MLS. It's in the interest of gate-driven leagues to expand not only for the expansion fees but because revenue is driven by attendance. If revenue was more TV-based (like the NBA or NFL) than dilutting the product with more teams is a hazard you have to take into more consideration lol Also the NHL has the fewest American teams of any of the big five (MLB, NHL, NFL, NBA, MLS) sports leagues and so I can totally see the league at at least 36 teams in the next five to 15 years lol
Get used to it, Bettman said publicly awhile ago, he wants 36 teams, it's only about the $$!
@@smadas4192he wants 40 teams
The owners don’t care
They want to expand in the U.S. and not in Canada.
Meruelo should never be allowed near a professional sports team ever again.
Cleveland " Slapshots"!!!😮😮😮
They cant even pay their arena or hotel bills.
If they do expansion, they would need to figure that out ASAP, like which other city gets a team. Unless they do exactly like the Browns and the new Coyotes join as the 33rd team, alone, and then figure out a 34th team later on. (The Browns were the 31st team, then 3 years later, the Texans joined).
That Delta Center configuration will lead to capacity of slightly above 14,000 which will still be the lowest in the league but that’ll be temporary should that new home for the Jazz and the soon-to-be former Coyotes gets approved and built.
Compared to where the Coyotes played at Mullet arena, the Delta Center will look like a grand palace to them.
Winnipeg is close at about 15,000
If we had giant affordable youth hockey leagues in the southern U.S.there would be better support for more fans and for more players for massive expansion
I dont live in SLC but whats with the city and bees?
The beehive is a symbol of Utah. And the historic attempted state of Deseret means honeybee
Utah's arena has changed so many times since 2006 I didn't realize they actually went back to being the Delta Center.
If they do end up continuing expansion it should be quebec ATL, atlanta MET, houston CEN, arizona PAC.
The thing that doesn't work with Phoenix getting an expansion club is the possibility they will be a contending team, but Utah will have the work in progress team. Yes, they will have a solid base to build from but they will be a year or two from being a playoff contender. That's also assuming several west teams go into rebuild at the same time too.
I wish when the North Stars moved to Dallas they would have left the name here in Minnesota
I remember the team was considering "Texas Lone Stars" and Dallas South Stars."
Technically, shouldn’t “North Stars” have been available?
@@billcook4768no, because the Dallas Stars franchise still owns all the branding.
The Oakland A's will play next yr in Albuquerque NewMexico
Let me guess, more renderings?
5:50
So... genuine question. Do you just not know American geography, the fact that SLC has always been in the middle of a desert itself, or the fact that coyotes are as ubiquitous in Utah as they are in other southwestern states? That doesn't mean they should take the name or branding or anything, your reasoning is just ignorant honestly.
I haven't been following Coyotes very closely. But why can't they go back to Glendale?
They owe Glendale rent.
Arizona, Houston Atlanta. Will all be in US top ten metros in population, diverse and growing fast.
Hartford is losing population.
Quebec City and Hamilton metros don't even have 1 million people in them.
Worst ownship of any team in any league...joke of a team. Cant even pay rent or their hotel bills. Sad....
Come the day of the land auction, June 27th, I DO NOT THINK ALEX MERUELO WILL SHOW UP TO BUY THE PROPERTY. HE'LL BE A NO SHOW and Coyotes fans will receive the final kick in the nuts!
Should the NHL ever desire to expand, ALEX MERUELO MUST NOT BE APART OF A NEW TEAM! HE'S SCREWED THE FANS HERE LONG ENOUGH!
Maybe the Utah Yeti or Badgers. Not sure if the NHL will go back to Phoenix for awhile. Expansion? I would say Quebec and Houston.
Just do 4 expansions. Phoenix, Quebec, Atlanta, Houston. Boom done. Personally not a fan of the Yeti name either.
I love this deal because if they expand to the west, then Quebec may finally get a team for the East.
Every notice how Pierre Karl Peladeau has been silent since the Vegas expansion? I'm sure he was told to be quiet, and when the time comes, they will play ball with him.
Let me say this being I live in the Phoenix area. There wont be a chance in hell Phoenix will get an opportunity at an expansion team if every single Mayor in the Valley doesn't give a clean slate. if every single Mayor in the Valley believes in second chances, then I want the Glendale Mayor to allow a new NHL team to play at Desert Diamond Arena. Otherwise give an expansion team to San Diego instead because Desert Diamond Arena is a hockey venue. There's no need for a new one to get built. That's the reason why a new one didn't get voted on in the first place and now Arizona is about to lose a hockey team over it!
I heard that New Mexico was getting an expandion team
100% sure that’s the plan Betteman loves that market to death for some reason
5th largest city in the US and 16th in GDP, located in the fastest growing state in the entirety of NA is the "some reason"
@@louiscypher4186 im aware of that stat but hockey franchise has been struggling there forever
It’s almost like they want to make lots of money or something
@@louiscypher4186 im aware of that the problem is they have been struggling there forever
@@ano1962 yeah weird ain’t it😂
Apparently Arizona was promised an expansion team by Bettman, wouldn’t you think that he / the NHL would learn by now that Phoenix is not a good market?
Oh, wait I forgot about Atlanta…..
The two fast growing, large US markets with diverse (main reason why. NHL needs to grow hockey beyond White people) populations and will soon be in US top ten metro areas in population. Where do you think expansion so go? White, stagnant population, small market Quebec City and Hamilton where their metros don't even have 1 million people?
@@HoshizakiYoshimasafinally someone who gets up. You don’t gain anything by going to Hamilton or Quebec. It doesn’t grow the sport because they already watch it. The NHL didn’t return to Winnipeg because they wanted to be there, they didn’t have any other viable option anywhere else.
@@DeadAir21you don’t gain anything by losing a 3rd team in Atlanta or a 2nd team in Phoenix either, but hopefully by that point expansion will be done and they will be forced to move the teams to an area that will support them stronglyb
@@johnepants of course you do. Atlanta is the #7 media market and Phoenix is #11. That’s tens of millions of potential eyeballs on the sport that needs them. Bad ownership plagued both of them. You get them the right owner and a building in the right part of the metro they both could work and make the league and the owners more valuable.
@@DeadAir21 you can’t keep blaming bad ownership again and again. I go back to a common saying “if you think everyone is an asshole, maybe it’s actually you”. Maybe the owners in Phoenix can’t make any money because they can’t sell tickets or merchandise. Same for Atlanta. Eventually the local fanbase has to take ownership in letting things get crappy for their teams. Meruello is a historically crappy owner, but this team has been viewed as a failure long before he bought it. Sometimes you just have to admit that there isn’t a market for that sport in certain towns.
government: we arnt paying for your 1 billion dollar stadium. NHL: well be back when your done with our stadium....
I think the Utah team may end up have a new name as well as new colors.
Gary really wants to see Auston back in Arizona in his waning years.
Coyotes name doesnt work in Utah
Utah Jazz: Hold my gumbo
What would be the name of the team once they move to Salt Lake City? Probably bird-related.
If I get a vote? The slickers.
Salt Lake Salt Licks? Kidding, but I can't what to see what they go for, for name and branding.
Redmen
From what I've heard, the front runner is the Utah yetis.
@michaelharris9203 Would that anger the Colorado Avalanche. I think their mascot is either a yeti or an abominable snowman.
You would think there would be a lot of land in Arizona with all the desert land there
Most of the land around Phoenix and its suburb are built up. They are not going to build an arena out in the middle of nowhere that takes forever to get to.
Not when the owner has to make his multi-billion dollar entertainment district ego project. If it were *just* an arena that he was making, then there would 100% be a lot more options.
Lots of land but not a lot infrastructure like water… which you kind of need for a hockey arena plus luxury condos, shops and restaurants
Phoenix is the least dense major city in the US....only 297 people per square mile! To say it's mostly built up is a laughable lie.
The problem is infrastructure especially water
They have played NHL at Delta. czcams.com/video/IIqxsPLif3w/video.html
Not ideal, but suitable as a stopgap solution for 2-3 seasons.
This whole situation is rich people playing games with each other and the poor fans of the yotes pay the price, I feel bad for them or any fans that lose their team of billionaire egos
How about going to their games then? If y’all filled their seats at the stadium we wouldn’t be in this mess right now
Raider hame should’ve stayed in Oakland! I’m happy that Coyote name and logo stays in AZ
SLC is the favorite to get the MLB expansion team in the West. Nashville in the East. MLB schedule does not overlap much with the NHL and NBA seasons, so no big deal.
I would love Salt Lake City getting a baseball team but I hope Charlotte gets one instead
@@nikolaspaz8820 Yeah, it's between Nashville and Charlotte in the East, but Nashville seems to be the favorite. I think the Rays either get their new ballpark in St. Pete's or move to Orlando. Looks like MLB is saving one of Nashville or Charlotte as the expansion team city.
@@michaelmarkowski204 I think St. Pete will approve the Rays stadium there is some opposition from taxpayers but the county is voting for it and they just got an important endorsement from the NCAAP
They will never be NHL in Phoenix again
32 teams is already enough. Perhaps either Florida, San Jose, or New Jersey could end up having to move to Quebec City in the next couple of years.
@@roberthoyt7921nobody wants a team in Quebec
@@slapshotjack9806 the only people that want a team in Quebec are Canadians.
@@roberthoyt7921 I think Houston is going to be looked at as option before any Canadian city. It's the 4th largest city in the US and the 6th largest TV market.
That's what they said about Atlanta. The 3rd new team is right around the corner. If you have a big money owner you can wait out and play anywhere. Look at the Florida Panthers !!!
Lowkey wouldn’t mind the Coyotes never coming back, as long as we get an MLS team in Phoenix. Don Garbage (MLS Commissioner) wants a retractable roof stadium tho cuz “it’s too hot” Rising games always feel fine tho, even in June.
Have commented to you a few times, there is another option. They could play in the 12,000 seat Maverik Center in West Valley which is much better suited for hockey. However Ryan Smith does not own the Maverik Center but owns the Delta Center. Guess which arena Ryan wants his NHL team play in. I give you one guess. Also I think MLB is all but ready to build the baseball stadium on word of any news on expansion or team relocating. Getting NHL will not effect whether baseball comes to Salt Lake or not. Both ownership groups are very serious, both have secured a little under a billion State funding investing in both, particularly the baseball group that is going to revitalize an area of Salt Lake that has become an eyesore. The real question is where Ryan Smith builds the new arena. Does he stay in downtown Salt Lake or build on the southern edge of the Salt Lake valley?
it isnt impossible for expansion because it has happened often in the nhl with minnesota, atlanta, and winnepeg
Or the current owner is just saying he's going to bid on the land, but backs out of the auction after the move to Salt Lake City is confirmed.
I 100% see this happening
The Arena should be called the temple. And the team named Utah Coyodawgs.
Big prediction is that after Alex Murello sells the Coyotes to the NHL the NHL will sell the team to Matt Ishbia and he keeps them in Phoenix and Ryan Miller will get a expansion or relocation team.
nope, the whole coyotes staff and players are going up to utah either thursday or friday to see their new facility..
😂😂😂 dream on
You never know I seen crazier things happen in sports with teams that we’re going to relocate such as the Penguins, Predators and Blues but we’re saved at the last second.
I could see an NBA team in Vegas playing at T-Mobile arena with the golden Knights play
NBA expanding makes zero sense! Too many horrible teams out there as is like Charles Barkley states. Why add more lousy teams now?!?!
A Billionaire foreigner bought the land in South Las Vegas just east of I-15, across from Silverton Hotel & Cssino, saying he is bringing an NBA team to Vegas in TWO years.
@@anthonys3631 one word: money. Owners don't care about quality of play, it's all about the bottom line.
@@anthonys3631The NBA needs to bring back the Supersonics which is a crime in itself for allowing them to relocate to the Oklahoma City
@@kingmo8789i agree, i hope the supersonics come back to the nba
Thing is, I do believe with the right ownership, hockey can work in Phoenix. But this is not the right ownership.
I'm getting flashbacks to Bernard Glidberman when he owned the Ottawa Rough riders in the CFL. After the 1993 season when the league expanded to the US, he wanted to move them to the US, and he was already running the team into the ground and pissing off people in Ottawa so the league got him to sell the team (minus 5 players of his choice) and he got a new expansion team in the US. But after 2 years his Shreveport Pirates were done. He somehow got a hold of the Ottawa Renegades years later and ran them into the ground too.
MLS has been expanding like crazy the last decade! (nearly a new team every year). NHL gave it a try twice and it worked both times, Someone will step up and try to pitch something together for a new team in AZ. fans will be happy, espesically if it's not the AZ owner they have now.
They need to expand to 34 with a Houston team in the West and Quebec City in the East
Give it up already ! If Quebec had so many chances to stay around they'd still be around today.
Bettman is a f'n joke...
Bettman works for the owners
Funny how you say it’s Bergman’s fault when he tried so hard to keep a dumpster fire team in Arizona for nearly 3 decades
@@slapshotjack9806 Bettman,, derp
@@chomas8784 cry me a river kid, at least the yotes fiasco is finally over after 28 years
I expect you are too young to realize the damage Bettman has done to the NHL over the years... Anyway,,, take care friend ... God Bless!
The Salt Lake City Polys....I've got an idea for a logo.
I hope the nhl picks Quebec and Milwaukee i miss the nordiques
How are the Coyotes worth a billion dollars?
Sad that Arizona is losing their NHL team. Glad that the Coyotes name will at least stay in AZ, the name is definitely unique to Arizona..
With the dying dollar and the state of the world in general, I’d hazard a guess the league will be scrambling to relocate franchises rather than expand.
Blue collar fans are getting their asses kicked financially and without any money to fill the vacuum, teams go tits up pretty quick.
THIS is the elephant in the room.
I'm burnt out on Arizona. Hoorah Utah!
If Arizona gets an expansion team after all this I will be PISSED! There are so many cities that would love a team just for the league to give them a team after all this. San Antonio, Houston, Atlanta, etc. all would support a team
Atlanta is long gone they tried there twice and those teams moved to Canada. Houston would be the better option in my opinion.
Atlanta had 2 chances bro, fuck em
Kansas City or Houston I'd say
The only other Texas city getting an NHL team will be Houston... period.
Houston or Quebec City would be my picks.
Then why not keep the Coyotes in Arizona and give SLC an expansion team?
I’ve been saying this same thing. Just do something rare or never done before and just grant an expansion.
Because the NHL can't have the coyotes playing in a 5k seat arena for another 4-5 years until a new arena is built
The NHL doesn't want them to play three more years in a small 5,000 seat collage venue.
@@one_of_a_kind_532 Losing money and there's no guarentee an area will even be built lol
Because the NHL is not waiting 3-4 more years for them to get the land and build an arena! Mullet was only supposed to be temporary!
the new big rumor said the Coyotes relocated not to Salt Lake but in Quebec City,Qc,Canada. The building are there ,the buyers a ready and the fans in Quebec city pray for that
As much as Bettman is biased toward Phoenix he is equally biased against Quebec. Ain’t happening as long as he’s in charge.
Keep dreaming kid it’s never going to happen
@@slapshotjack9806 how can Salt Lake City happening. They have nothing better than Quebec City. Its not only Quebec City but all proince of Quebec who go watch Nordiques play . Its a passionate hockey market in Quebec and who don't want the revival of the biggest and intence rivality in NHL history Montreal vs Quebec City. The building are always there (brand new) , the buyers are there to. Salt Lake City , WTF
@@quebecforce111 nobody watches hockey in Quebec it’s just another Arizona Salt Lake City actually has fans
@@slapshotjack9806 heu ,you dont know how popular are hockey in Canada? its our national sports. Nobody cares of basketball,baseball or soccer here. here its only hockey. Salt Lake city its nobody cares of UTAH. wtf
Mullet Arena 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😂
SLC has an MLS team, why do people forget that?
Quebec City!
Not going to happen, Can't even get an arena WITH a team, zero chance they get an arena built after 20 years of trying WITHOUT a team. plus the owners reputation is absolutely in the drain. League has no confidence in him at all that's why they pulled the plug before the June land auction. Just telling him that so he doesn't sue the NHL
Also IF the league expands is going to ATL and HOU
The Coyotes was never really Arizona's team since they had moved there from Winnipeg. Same with the Cardinals who moved there from St. Louis. The only real home teams are the D-Backs and Suns.
They have the best overall success as well unlike the cardinals despite a upstart year that my team the Steelers just beat in the Super Bowl that year like 15 years ago.
@@robertmusgrave9236 Yea. Curt Warner gave them a few good years and coach Bruce Arians made them very respectable. Other than that its been rough.
@@Politano1955 yeah im gonna have to i disagree with the Cardinals though i think the Cardinals are Azs team sure they came from other cities but i think they are apart of the culture now rather than Chicago and St. Louis similar to the Suns and Dbacks now i agree with the Coyotes though i don’t know anyone in Az that roots for the Coyotes…Sure the Cardinals had losing seasons but we got fans way more than the Yotes and *Kurt bty…
@@CC-sv9fs HAHA. I can tell you are a huge football fan and that's okay. And yes, its "Kurt".
@@Politano1955 yessir i definitely am haha but honestly though i think think the Cards got more fans than the Coyotes lol.
I don't think Kansas City will get an NHL team they can barely afford the Royals and Chiefs.
They will be called the Utah Latter Day Saints or the Utah Mormons.
Spoiler Alert: Atlanta gets the other expansion team.
Where in Canada will they move when they fail this time?
Atlanta isn’t a hockey city. Quebec City is a hockey city.
@@billcook4768 Yellowknife.
I think the league wants to wash their hands of this ownership group. The chance to get the team back is heavily caveated to my understanding, to the point where I feel like it was done to cover some kind of legal requirement. But I think they want this embarrassment of an ownership group gone
Next season, the Coyotes will relocate to Salt Lake City after 28 seasons in the Phoenix area and use the Delta Center as their temporary home arena until their new downtown arena is built for either the 2026-27 or 2027-28 NHL season. On April 17, 2025, Craig Leipold will sell the Wild to a Houston-based group headed by Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta and Toyota mega-dealer Dan Friedkin for $1.82 billion. On May 19, 2025, Michael Andlauer and the late Eugene Melnyk’s family will sell the Senators to a Hartford-based group headed by billionaire hedge fund managers Ray Dalio and Todd Boehly for $1.68 billion. In the 2025-26 NHL season, the Wild will relocate to Houston after 25 seasons in the Twin Cities to become the Outlaws and play their home games at Toyota Center, while the Senators will relocate to Hartford after 33 seasons in Ottawa to become the Whalers and play their home games at the XL Center.
NHL is wacked out. Tickets are like $10 for US teams in cities who only see ice in their cups. Meanwhile Toronto could fill 3 more arenas for full price ... but expand in 'nowhere' land NHL.
If they move to Delta Center than it’s going to be the smallest nhl arena
Still bigger than Mullet Arena
@@cmac3530 but smaller than Canada Life Centre
@@user-dq4ik4kc2c If what I heard is correct the NHL was more concerned with the state of the facilities at Mullet rather than the capacity anyway.
When you have NHL teams dressing in a "room" divided by curtains and full of folding chairs you know you have some serious issues.
Also Salt Lake City has already approved 900M$ of taxpayer money to build a new multi-function sports arena (Unlike in Arizona where the Owner is on the hook to build the arena himself and doesn't even own the land yet. The $ in SLC was meant to entice the NHL, which worked) meaning the Delta Center is only temporary until that new arena is built.
It’s only going to be a temporary venue to play at until they get their new arena built within 2-3 years.
@@cmac3530 they’re only going to be in the Delta Center for 10 years I believe since the new Delta Centre is getting built in 2034
Give the people what they want and bring The Whalers back to Hartford, CT!
A Metropolitan area that's shrinking in population, has a microscopic TV market and got outnumbered in their own place by Bruins and Rangers fans whenever they played those teams in 90s.
No. Just no.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa I’m just speaking for the people. Everyone wants the Whalers to come back.😉
Hockey in Salt Lake City makes as much sense as it did in Arizona. At least go to Milwaukee or Quebec City.
Go coyotes
Delta Center isn’t much better than Mullett Arena for NHL. The amount of unobstructed seats will be about the same amount as seats at Mullett Arena. I love Mullett, but it’s not suitable for the NHL. Neither is Delta Center
Im pretty sure the max capacity in the delta center with a rink inside is 13 thousand. I would be stunned if it was the same amount of seating as mullett arena
@@squidMBit’s definitely bigger, but when we’re talking about the number of unobstructed seats, it’s probably the same amount as Mullett Arena
10,000 seats make it much more palatable for the NHL. Not to mention that the NHL has lost almost a faith in the current owner on getting anything done at this point. The new owner gets $900 million in public funding to build a new arena while Arizona has committed $0. So it makes sense the NHL wants to look elsewhere.
Delta Center would only be temporary. There should be a new arena in a few years
@@squidMBIt is exactly 14,000
The Coyotes will be in Utah next year.
The owner COULD be dumb and build a new arena. That has no team/tenant 😳😰🤔😐
The NHL would need to approve an expansion and the league would most likely go to 32. However there’s already questions as to where another expansion team would be.
Former NHL Cities like Atlanta and Quebec City pop up. Cleveland is also considered an option given their AHL heirachy lately, but would need to be more east coast oriented.
It’s definitely possible. But idk if the league is ready to explore cities they have already failed to garner an audience.
Never understood why endless desert land is so expensive and hard to find.
Because the federal government stole it all from Western states. Look it up.
So many people are moving to the Phoenix area and its suburbs that land anywhere near the metro area is getting very scarce and very expensive.
@@Politano1955 I don't think people realize how crowded the Phoenix metro is. This isn't your great grandmother's Arizona.
Phoenix is becoming like L.A. , extremely crowded and expensive. Just because you are in a desert doesn't mean you have a lot of cheap land available.
@@Politano1955and nobody wants to go to their games. Gee I wonder why they’re having trouble financially?
cant fill a 5k seat arena and people think az should stay... or even come back. this is peek dumb.
Would be ironic for a city litteraly called "Phoenix"
At this point unless the NHL plans to expand to Houston first, I couldn’t care if there is an Arizona 2.0 or Atlanta 3.0.
I.agree
They want Houston and Phoenix and Atlanta equally.
Maybe just expand 2 teams and then move Islanders or Devils to the other city. NY metro doesn't't need 3. The Houston Devils has a great ring to it. Or maybe move Anaheim Ducks. LA metro doesn't need 2 teams
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa I’m an Islanders fan having grown up in NYC. Islanders to Houston would be epic. But they just built a new arena and have a loyal fan base. I don’t think the Devils will leave NJ. Back in the 80’s Peter Pockington the former Edmonton Oilers owner almost moved the Oilers to Houston. Houston Aeros were a WHA team with Gordie Howe and his sons. Houston just wants an NHL team.
the NHL doesn't like abandoning markets that have potential with the right ownership.. they're going for a third crack at atlanta as well
Why i am against expansion is because how watered down the league will be. Finding a elite centre needed to win a cup is like finding a franchise qb in football. With that more teams than ever will not be good enough to compete for a cup.
How is Coyotes any different then Jazz? 🙄 As far as the Athletics, you gotta keep the name. Philadelphia, Kansas City, Oakland, Sacramento or Las Vegas...doesn't matter. If you want to rebrand, you change the uniform colors, but you keep the Athletics name and the Old English "A". Long iconic baseball name with so much history.
Given the size of the ballpark in Sacramento, they are changing them to the AAA’s.