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😂 i like it
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we need tarzaned reaction to the reaction
I would love to see Dantes thoughts on what Agurin thinks of what Tarzaned thinks of that game of Agurin and Dantes
I watched this games vod 4 times each from a different video
absolutely a humble player, openly admits when a mistake is made, rather than double down and rationalize it like 90% of other high elo players cuz ego/pride is everything to them
He admits,but he still argues and telling that he did things bcs this was dantes and not random guy
@@user-ry2kh2ul3xexplaining mindset I think is reasonable. Denying it all together is annoying
@@user-ry2kh2ul3xI mean you also play different when you are smurfing 2 elos below your own. He's rank one playing against someone in cookielol low who can only winstreak to chall when his otp has 55% wr
@@allat0nce that's kinda rude about dantes,he's a good boy
as i like Dantes its pretty much true@@user-ry2kh2ul3x
The Gift that keeps on giving all to the infamous Phase Rush Dodge.
Agurin reviewing the reviews to find just one to spot the phaserush spacing hahahaha. Poor agurin nobody gets it haha
:(
Tarzaned didn't mention it because he said Dantes wasn't supposed to be using phase rush in the first place he said he should have gone conqueror
@@jmb47kkamikaze80 Which has nothing do do with anything though
@@jmb47kkamikaze80 He just didnt see it, not that deep
@@jmb47kkamikaze80 That makes no sense, he might have said that Dantes SHOULD have gone Conqueror but that doesn't change the fact that he does indeed have Phase Rush
I liked how neutral tarzan was. Near the end (which you skipped) he was surprised by your overall "mistakes" but did assume that you were probably autopiloting/being lazzy most of the game. Normally I don't like tarzan that much (nor this type of content) but i would love to see you two having an analytic debate about jgl, the different playstyles and about some games
I agree. Personally I hate reaction, however, this was actually insightful and interesting
Its Tarzaned, Tarzan is a Korean pro player
tarzaned not tarzan
@@nonecker7479it is not reaction to analyze a replay.
Would be a waste of time.
Agurin Smurfs in Tarzaneds peak.
Pretty mich every single European challenger jungler Smurf's in Tarzaneds peak.
"He is KOMPLETT correct" I felt that
completely*
@@edikje5505Komplett*
This one game has been watched at least 5 times xD
It was a legendary battles between eternal rivals after all. One might even say they are like the Yin and the Yang.
but not the one were Dantes destroyed Aguri and absolutely bullied him out of the game, going like 20 kills I think it was.
@@claudeheinrich3613 lmao. I know nothing i will say will reach your miniscule brain but I will speak the truth nonetheless: Dante's playstyle is gambling, Agurins playstyle is investing. Dantes is loosing the climb but won game, why? Because he just perma coinflips. He won the coinflip once cuz he had the better laners. Dantes cant climb, similarly how a gambler cant stay rich. Dantes gambles his elo away. Similar to what happened in EuW. He reached chal and insta demoted
@@superfranky8054 he made his lanes win, he permanently ganked, invaded etc. Aguri was just fullclearing the entire game lol.
@@claudeheinrich3613and he is Rank 1 lol
I know this type of content is very mentally demanding, but is 100% the best educational lol content on all plataforms. Having this level of explanation on every aspect of the game is completely mindblowing. I know that wasn't the purpose of the analisys but i've learned A LOT. Would love to see more videos like this one, showing the in depth analisys of a elite-level game.
I love you both , different play styles but both very good and entertaining to watch
Lets hope Tarzaned does a reaction video on this reaction of the reaction of the original reaction
fuck yes i love how the new content works in this age just to genrate more views
😂😂
@@asdsdaadsdadasdasd2473 Unlimited views glitch
This reaction is one of the most insightful things I've ever seen regarding League. My mind is blown. If I can apply even an ounce of what these two junglers know, I'd consider myself fortunate. Thanks for sharing this.
now we just need a LS/ Gryffin review on Agurin's review of Tarzaned's review
Really cool content. What is great is that two high elo players see the game completely different but are both able to climb to the top rank.
Yes, agurin hitting rank 1 1980lp on euw every season and rank 1 korea while tarz hits master 50% wr korea and not even rank 1 NA anymore.
One player being better doesnt mean they have different playstyles.
I mean did you even watch the video, tarz says agurin coukd gank poppy early but agurin explains why its a very bad move even if he gets the kill.
@@richardsalzmann7946 tarz did hit chall in korea though?
@@richardsalzmann7946 what? tarzaned got challenger korea just this year and he’s been rank 1 na multiple seasons, agurin and him are definitely comparable lol
@@richardsalzmann7946 yeah cause 81% in master kr = 50% lmao. he hit master with 81% shitting on gms. its just that his mental is awful
it never ends
Thanks for reacting this stuff in english
high level vod reviews are such a gift lmao
@4:45 "Sylas is moving, I tell him not to because I made a mistake, and I want to give, it's ok."
I would love to see them both talk and analyze gameplay but Tarzaned is sometimes hard to talk to he’s very smart but gets irritated very easily so it might never happen 😔
Tarzaned feels autistic and I don't mean it as an offense
@@jellyfish641 I’m very certain a lot of high elo players have autism.
@@jellyfish641 LMFAO
@@jellyfish641 As a tarzaned meat rider i must say that i agree with you tho
@@kodenameaurasphere3104 💀
Loving this reactive content! ❤
I'm personally more of proactive content fan
Wow, I learned so much here. Ty for explaining.
so instructive content. goat
Very interesting. The difference between the choices Agurin and Tarzaned make is a debate between consistency and high risk high reward. Agurin does the former with consistent pathing. Tarzaned does the latter looking to set the enemy behind as much as possible. Tarzaned has said that Agurin's consistency is a very good thing that he should adopt some of.
Great content dude
itll never end
9:20 sylas pose made me cry
Sometimes invading and playing aggressive is key to win but sometimes invade will fuck up your tempo so much that youll never come back
i think people are just mad someone is this much better than them,big support for Agurin !
Oh boy this is too good to be true
Tarzaned analysis was so good wow, he had so many legitimate points but its very great to see that even the best players still have so much to improve on, gives me a different perspective on my game
PROACTIVE ANALYSIS
Not even watching 4min, learnd more in LOL than my whole live
Oh Shit ! Here we go again 😂
REACTIVE JUNGLER GOD KING PERFORMANCE ?!?!? 😀🤭😲😮 SMURIFNG ON HECA OTP IN KOREAN PISSLOW ?!!!?!?
noo he missed the sylas 500 iq play at the end
At 10:10 where Tarzaned says he should steal 1-2 camps but Agurin is thinking way ahead. Crazy how much further ahead Agurin thinks.
The essence of the whole debate 13:02
I'm curious your thoughts Agurin on Tarzaned's comment about the rift drop midlane. I think he said that was the biggest mistake in the game.
i dont think theres like wrong plays tarzaned said, just different styles. however agurin did troll some things as tarzaned pointed out
I think I'm trapped in a loop. Help.
i would love to see agurin vs zaned jg
Nooooo he didnt cover the most interesting part with the herald mid drop
Starting red instead of krugs is always the right play imo. It leave you open to both play while starting krugs only benefit full clear
U can't start krugs they haven't spawned yet. If you mean raptors which spawn at 1:30 it's just better in nearly all cases, getting red later and keeping that buff for later is better when leashless.
11:00 Agurin actually have high percentage of succeed on invading (n make Heca useless), but yeah have a small chance to die to bot-sp respawn from base (if he decide to invade whole bot jg). But i guess Agurin is that kind of player who let enemy make more mistakes than him n stomp them (playing wisely).
20:00 yeah cant believe heca going top instead. Need to punish him, herald, n going top jg is sold argument. But after all of that i think Agurin can do more pressure in any lane... He is strong as hell, while heca cant even finish his item, n his whole team is super ahead. There is no way they lose, unless his team inting...
I think what Tarzaned meant is more like an optimal plays, not a mistakes. I think Agurin doing well, but could do even better with all that factor...
Anyway well played sir... Thanks for your insight...
For the 11m play he already said it will work, it's just pointless. You gain a 200gold swing which is actually less as you are being inefficient, less so by taking krugs.
It also means you're trading the chance to take drake on a great timing for a camp
Something called Over analyzing. Exists in every sport on a professional lvl.
it's unreal to me that someone like Dante even plays in the same MMR as Agurin
He doesn't tho right? I would believe that until he gets at least 1000LP Chall
that was before agurin hit rank one, he was still climbing
its early season ladder. this means jackshit. drututt explained this the best.
@@dpad_ indeed
@@dpad_source? i'm courious
Dantes would have proacted to this vod review which is why he is better 🗣
I wanna go for some beers with this whole comment section
I would love to see tarzaneds response to this, but i dont think it will happen cause agurins points are to valid and tarz ego is crazy lmao.
ah shit, here we go again
Tarzaned is just ridiculous at this point. I have no idea who ever listened to him but even less who is still doing it.
giebts da ne reaction von tarrzaned drauf?
i didnt understand the tempo explanation around 15:20
Dantes going with the whole talk about "proactive" or "reactive" jungling was all because Tarzaned was telling him: "It's because I am a proactive not low testosterone jungle" so he just ended up looking at Tarzaned like the jungle figure he should look up to.
Because they're Father and Son
yeah he is overdoing it. Tarzaned does it in a more calculated way, but it's still coinflip because no comms in solo queue. But I feel like playing overaggro is good for dantes because he was just playing full clear after full clear before and he learns more this way even tho it's not the most effective. he is definitely getting better at jungle, i just wish he learned more champs
Wtf was Dante doing this game. He has all his camps up at 22:30, still doesn't have his lv6 and is risking a fight for the scuttle. Dude tilted off the face of the earth. 🤣🤣
He ran as lv5 Hecarim with tear to fight lv7 overfed Rumble with top lane camps still not up.
The game's completely over by that point, he just tilt ran into river to fuck around because he knows its doomed
Agurin be milkin' this shit.
Those 2 has some serious ego issues but at least knows the game
19:00 I genuinely feel like agurin just luck out on teammates that let him secure most of his own farm and dragon objective which led to him climbing really fast, that's why his reactive playstyle works.
He could've easily drove the poppy, deny the poppy an entire wave, get plates for rumble as you do rift, which is basically free because hec was so behind. Could even proceed to steal camps infront of hec since his top and mid are both fed and could easily follow up since even their waves were pushing toward the blue side.
It would be an invalid statement to say that he's the best jungler, he likes to waste seconds on AA-ing the camp that's already dead when the flying thingy would've taken it for him as he walks away. Not saying agurin is bad but it's just, idk, he climed high but I don't see him actually being at a pro level.
Pro level isn't the same as soloq, pro is a different game. When it comes to jungling in pro the whole game is different it's actually just stupid to compare them.
No one lucks out on teammates over multiple seasons, stop being delusional he's just good.
@@ClickHere4Narutowell, there are times when I climb on a server and I was hardstuck d1 but when I created a new acc out of nowhere, I peaked gm in rank playing the same things that I did on my previous accounts. It's a team game so it's hard to say that there's no such thing as luck. Ofc, if you're consistent it's easier to break through the loss streak even with bad teammates, tho the game will be harder, but teammate luck is actually a real thing.
I agree there's a bit of luck in any team game.. But Agurin plays for a bad team most of the time that's why he's so pve heavy.. Very safe, very consistent, making plays only when he HAS to.@@Qopa
Top Junglers are playing chess while laners are playing checkers lol.
Yeah they're playing chess in the special olympics. Jungler = failed laner
"This is something I could not do when i do Raptors" in regards to the Camp Denial around min 12:00-12:30 => Tarzan never said do Raptors not for one second, just to take Krugs. But he also qualifies with "I'd like to know Agurin's take on why he didn't take them, maybe there is a reason for it".
I'm super neutral on this and just like to hear different takes on these things but it feels like something is lost here (in Tarzan's review as well) because there is this underlying hostility between you guys.
Would be nice if both sides could chill a bit and have a more cheritable take on 1. what the other does 2. what the other says.
Edit: Same at 26:00+ => The critique gets critiqued before it's fully stated.
Wäre echt cool wenn Agurin hier allg. mehr chillen würde. Denke mal die Ursache hierfür ist diese dumme "Proactive/Reactive" Debate.
10:30 sagt der aal man soll raptors or kruggs machen. Hat Agurin sich nicht ausgedacht.
Well said. On your point of underlying hostility, I don't think Tarzaned has any real hostility towards Agurin (unless we think he's trying to stand up for his boy Dantes, which I think is a bit of a stretch) and I didn't get that sense with his review either, to me its just Tarzaned's usual approach of "lets see if this guy is really as good as everyone says, how many mistakes does he actually make". I do also think Agurin is being a bit defensive towards Tarzaned's criticisms and understandably so when someone is dissecting your game looking for mistakes, and I think overall he did a decent job acknowledging the mistakes Tarzaned pointed out. Definitely would love to see the two of them get in a call or something and have a direct discussion.
Tarzaned is just wrong; enemy bot lane is too fast out of base and Agurin's plan is better than denying one camp. One camp invades in general are troll.
@@fivefourtwo4498 go into practice tool and see if you can't do the krugs camp with smite up before the enemy bot runs from fountain to krugs. Just wrong my ass lmfao. Agurin's plan to farm his own camps is for sure superior to taking the level 4 krugs away from the Hecarim that has nothing up in his jungle.
@17:26 "I guess, I just think way way ahead."
In short, NA junglers think 1 step ahead, agurin thinks 3 steps ahead and changes plans from the info he gathers. Akin to a good mtg player.
mucho texto tarzaned
Wish there was an player like agurin for adc but adc is all micro 😂
what? no
If think there is no perfect gameplay, its a mix of good macro and player charisma, character etc. Everyone is different, if there was a pefect gameplay one player would be rank 1 every single season.
This game is too complex for perfection.
Agurin and Dr. Zaned are at such an Elite level of SoloQ knowledge they're the smartest 2 junglers in the World for SoloQ.
Canyon
@@fivefourtwo4498 maybe Canyon is for Pro play..but for SoloQ Tarzaned and Agurin are at the top.
Tarzaned hat keinen Plan bruder sen devam et
Is it a good thing to reveal your own concepts and playstyle to the whole community though? Might be exploitable
I'd love to see you and tarzaned in a call together. It sucks that none of you can explain the thought process to each other you just keep reacting.
It’s a region diff honestly. I try and play passive here in NA as jungler and it’s impossible. NA players are high ego low skill players who expect to be carried every game. I have to babysit them and let them know to back off cause I know NA junglers and will gank ANY LANE that slightly overextends. Of course they never listen and they spam ping me all game and expect me to play just as aggressive. NOPE not gonna happen. If I see no change in players mentality I’m quitting the game. League really needs a voice chat would be easier to communicate what my plan is to my teammates cause realistically jungle is usually the one who has the power to make games winnable.
chat has the most un-nuanced view of the game ever while simultaneously being very confident for unknown reasons
Someone said on a different video that Agurin and Tarzan are one of the same. Except Tarzan plays exploitative where as Agurin is GTO.
reviewing the same game 3 times 😱 “content”
I mean, you being efficient farming jgl is just better. Your all team is ahead, why would you take risks and giving the chance for the enemy team to gain shutdowns? The enemy is the one losing and should be the one looking for high risk high reward here to take back the game. Ig tarzan really got that all "proactive" talk in him aswell.
20:23 HAHAHAHAH
Ye has to be a bait when he ends it before finishing the video, especially nowadays 🤦♂️ he gives you benefit of the doubt
wait... agurin streams some of his games in english...???!?!?? 😱i've been missing out
First 4 hours of his stream he does entirely in english i think.
;o agurin speaks english
thought hes arabian/pakistani or something asianm idk
@@stanimirborov3765 he is turkish who lives in german and streams mainly in german.
14:44 midlaners should be put in jail for shiet like this Sylas did
Maby someone can answer it. If agurin do the krugs Like Tarzaned says here 10:30 and skip His own krugs then. Wouldnt He get more Out of IT and still be at the Same time at the Drake?
was thinking same. but i dont know man.
yes he would but of course he's too arogant to admit that he could of gotten free krugs from dantes and just go red into full clear bot skipping he's own krugs
@@NNSenpaican someone say him how bullshit it is for a Dantes fanboy to call someone arrogant ?
@@NNSenpaihe explains it 11:00-12:00 why it is not worth to go for it , because u lose tempo which can be converted into objectives that are more worth like drake
He could, but it would be worse in a longrun. Why ? First of all - time - , as Agurin said he was about 20s ahead of Dantes, because he did another clear with items. Doing higher lvl camps without items on jarvan would be a waste of time and he had just perfect window to recall. Second is -clear pathing- why would you lvl up(clear) enemy camp, when you can reset your own. If he would skip his krugs they will still be the same lvl and dantes krugs will be lvl higher and because invading is not always possible and he's clearing top to bot It's better to do your own krugs. He could do dantes krugs and his krugs but then he would be a little bit late for drake that is worth a lot of gold and even those 5 secunds can make a huge diff. It's all about being as efficient as possible. It's the way I see It at least, but I'm not a challenger jungler.
5:23 Tarzaned would rather gank top then insta run to enemy blue ? I know hindsight is 20/20 but that is really dumb of him.
Tarzaned is neither a reactive or active jungler he is a demanding teammates help type of jungler.
You clearly don't understand Tarzaneds point here. What he's saying is that if J4 is healthier, he can skip blue altogether to go top and kill Poppy. Catch-up xp is huge in league so losing out of the camp early doesn't really impact you as much as getting Rumble turbo ahead. I personally think I'd always rather do blue -> crab, as I think the top gank is a bit flippy at that point (Poppy W and still has flash makes it awkward), but I can see an argument for it.
@@Rommel12 U dont understand that its a way worse play then getting hecas blue and scuttle.
@@Rommel12 agurin tries to play for high percantage plays. this is why he prefers to farm over kills. dont forget farm gives you less bounty than kills. agurin hit rank 1 in korea and multiply times rank 1 in euw. so his playstyle works. tarzaned never hit rank 1 in korea nor euw. (he tried).
@@Jenodo agurin is great jungler, but u cant say he is rank 1 kr because its too early in the season. I believe he can hit it, but don't claim early season rank 1
26:04 Did he really have to make sure Sylas can move? He can follow Galio ult with his galio ult
Sylas already used his galio ult
@@froozen1177no he didn’t, sylas trolled for some reason but that was after agurin went mid.
Yeah going mid to help sylas was pointless zaned is right
@@froozen1177 Because Agurin was mid. If Agurin is mid then Sylas cannot R him randomly.
Level one galio ult can't actually reach directly from mid lane to that bot fight, in order to be in range of tri you need to be slightly past the raptor camp. So by making sure sylas can move he ensures that galio will be at least 3-4 seconds behind. If sylas doesn't randomly waste ult then he guarantees that they will have 4 people bot while the enemy has 3.
That said, I'm not sure how big of an impact galio arriving before sylas would make given the already massive item gap,Aagurin's team could probably win 3v4 thanks to gore + galeforce vs longsword + shiv. It seems like he could've just pathed directly bot since that is the only place for Dantes to really make a play. On top of that if sylas and galio both rotated at the same time then the mid wave would most likely slowpush towards sylas so galio would lose much more from rotating.
Agurin dont do this next year NA is winning worlds if you continue education.
Nit picking a game that was over before 10 min feels weird to me, tarzaned should of just stop reviweing after the first 5 min. Everybody gets lazy and auto pilot mode when the game is over that fast
He reacted to about 3 min of the game in his original video, but people repeatedly asked him to review the entire game. Nothing weird about that fam.
yeah the actual review for learning purposes is over very early in this game. There's not much point going in depth on this game because its not realistic that the enemy jungler will just grief hard early.
funny how hard he tries to find mistakes. WP Agurin
he criticizes everyone like that, clearing is what he does. He tries to have perfect clears, stop being parasocial and cringe reading to far into it. He has nothing against agurin, he said EU junglers are better than KR.
look at the score lmaooooo and agurin fans said doaenel flipped for better team when he ran him down on game 2 XD dillusional
At 8:00 Tarzaned was referring to Dantes doing gromp not you.
I feel like auto piloting and being lazy is actually the right play when the game is won. Why waste your limited focus during a day on a game that is already won, because then you're just gonna exhaust yourself unnecessarily. Instead, it's probably better to focus early game and during a hard game to increase your winrate.
It definitely is the right play to climb better. Within this one game tho are obviously some options to give you better chances to win, but I totally agree with your thought and it probably happens automatically when playing multiple games in a row
agurin is such a reactive jungler
Take notes Tarzaned.
tarzaned was the one givinh him more points lol
@@unluckymonkeygg7545 Tarzan already said alot of things that are wrong in this, Tarzan still has active playstyle in his mind while agurin is a reactive jungler wich is 20x times better than active since u dont coinflip
@@itshaze834 you know that the whole reactive jungler is a meme because agurin disagrees with the whole concept of having a playstyle? you just do what is right to do in the game and at the state of the game
he is not a reactive jungler
@@unluckymonkeygg7545 Because tarzaned wasnt playing, he was just watching. Pointing out people mistakes while watching is very easy, playing the game and getting rank 1 isnt, which is something tazaned hasnt done in a long time. Maybe one day Agurin will review one of tarzaneds game just point out his mistakes as well, but i guess he has better things to do, unlike the zaned.
@@xlexed2583 what yes he literally is he is playing cannyons playstyle = reactive and not active jungling wich is the correct playstyle to win games and is the right thing to do in every game u didnt get it
isnt tarzaned a hardstuck master NA jungler? KEKW
Buddy got Korea rank 1 multiple times so.....
You mean NA
@@slick_schlick2879 He came into Top 50 once in the year 2019, he never archieved the same once again, 2022 he made it into challenger and got permabanned cause of Scripting allegations so not sure who you talking about but Tarzaned aint it
@@lerab157 funny how a godlike jungler like tarzaned is being dissed by someone who's either a silver jungler or doesn't even play the role , or just a hater.
@@slick_schlick2879 tarzaned never got rank 1 in korea. and tarzaned failed to get rank 1 in euw.
dantes always acting like psycho underneath there is a part of him is a psycho, he gets crazy mad but all he did was mistakes and coping with it and calling it proactive jungling, hecarims early sucks cant even wins 1v1 jarvan but he goes for 1v2 and calls it proactive jungling? and agurin was just reacted to his play, what was he thinking he was just gona jump on enemy top and everything was gona work fine, dantes was always crazy about things, his old elosanta beef, he e-dated a notorious cheater, totally fake relationship, elosanta warned him, she is gona cheat and she did so he lost his mind again, he is just not a healthy person
Agurin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dante
tarzan was 100% right on the herald, its just a better play and you try to make the argument that the full clear is better in the long run because its 0 risk, but this just doesnt make sense because the herald is 0 risk as well in this game state and it lessens risk later in the game, so its just 100% better, in a more volatile game state aka most games, sure it makes more sense to full clear
i love how ur arguing with rank 1 ew and kr jg. he said multible times that the 0'risk' plays that generate gold have alwyas been his way to win. he also said he though that dantes was gonna go bot camps so he wanted to clear top to bot ti dive bolane and missmatch jg where dantes cant do anything beacuse of how behind he is
@@tubedude9423 and im saying tarzaned who is also a rank 1 player is right, because the herald is also 0 risk and generates more gold, its the mathematically correct play
didnt tarzaned get chall in KR with a better wr than augurin or something lol
@@Omar-xt2gv Tarzaned is better than Agurin at EVERYTHING and I'm NOT a meatrider !!!!!!!
@@Omar-xt2gv their ranks dont change the fact that its a simple math equation
"Best pro active coach, best jg in world" he say, sry, NA one of worst servers
why did this game become an issue? really? but for me it's not really a big deal, you're just making your own drama
You think reviewing a game is drama? He's playing a video game bro wtf are you on about drama lmao
Yeah, he loves to do a drama.
Why is everyone non-stop talking about the Agurin win? When the very next game they met, Dantes destroyed him 10 times harder.
Thats the state of league - sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. Its part of the job of being profesional and keeps moving forward.
Tarzaned 1 / Agurin & Dantes 0
Tarzaned made a vod about rank 1 KR and talk shit ..... while tarzaned has an int acount and play kog maw jungle cuz some1 donate 5$ ! Tarzaned u are worth 5 $ dude ....
its funny how people try to tell he is wrong... even tho its like all the haters can think one step ahead and agurin 5... its basically useless to argue.... but funny how they try...
Und deswegen ist er Rank1. Wie kann sich da so einer hinstellen und einen auf Besserwisser tun.