DonnyFL Moderator Showdown | Ronin vs Shogun vs Tanto | Fx Impact M3
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2022
- Today we compared some of the best moderators that DonnyFl makes. The result may surprise you.
Ronin: donnyfl.com/collections/ldc/p...
Shogun: donnyfl.com/collections/ldc/p...
Tanto: donnyfl.com/collections/ldc/p...
Guns
FX Impact M3
Ronin/Shogun
.25 Cal
Athlon Argos Btr 6-24x50 Gen 2
Spaweapons: spaweapons.com/ - Sport
Moderator Sizes…
FX Impact M3 Standard: 1.4” x 5” long (approx)
Donny FL Tanto: 1.22” x 5” long
Donny FL Shogun: 1.68” x 8” long
Donny FL Ronin: 2” x 6.29”
Great video! Thank u guys. Shopping for moderator for my wildcat mk3 sniper right now and great info to think about
Thank you for the compliments. We are learning how to do videos and it’s good to know that people do enjoy them and find them helpful.
I did a little modification on the FX factory moderator and brought it down to 75 db. All you need to do is get a pipe ( any material) drill lots of small holes around it and wrap with breathable material around it then put it inside the moderator. You'll be amazed how quiet it is and no need to spend hundreds of dollars for other moderators.
This is a great idea and Logan and I already have a competition to determine which one of us can get the most effective results using only things we have around the house. We will have to film and share the results with everyone!
Thanks for the suggestion and comment. I still stand by Donny making a great product but you maybe onto something great here! Stay tuned to see what we come up with 😃
@@bowmanoutdoors and the recoil pad for FX M3 can be used as a mono-pod that cost 250. It's perfect for bench rest shooting. All you have to do is remove the locking screw and move the recoil pad up and down where you want and tighten back the screw.
Excellent Greater Good contribution. that is what i do, insted of ONLY buying Ronins, get the CHAMBER for 1/3 the price.... most my HP MAX and BigBores JUST have the EXT chamber filled like you did, also. birds of a feather.
3D printers make awesome cores for the standard FX cans 😉
@villhelm I need to go check them out. Thanks for the info.
Awesome video, Thanks for sharing
Good info and pretty well recorded too! Ya'll are similar to the majority of PCP shooters, which makes you very "relatable' ...
Thank you! I think that means we are pretty normal 😃
Decibels work differently as in logarithmic.
the percentage improvements are wrong -3db equals 100% improvement so roning being like 15db quieter means like 500% improvement if im not mistaken
I’ll go back and double check the equation. You maybe exactly right.
I came here to say the same thing
Noted, I am not great with sound and the equations used for it. I will know better next time. Based on the feedback, improvements were much greater than I reported, but the decibel change is accurate.
Thanks for your feedback and help.
That's what makes airguns great. You can enjoy shooting without the noise. 👍🎯
Absolutely. Just as much fun as powder burners and perfect for backyard fun… HOA safe thus far. 🤞
Not necessarily. Swat still showed up to ruin my fun💩
@@toddhanis1516 dang, that’s a lot of commotion for a BB gun 😁
Was 50cal pellet gun dragonclaw. I finally found the connections to put ronin & emperor on it but I'm still afraid to shoot in my backyard? Swat is one's that'll scare the crap out you cuz they come out from nowhere after the one that drew short straw came up there was 3 more bout 90sec behind him probly posted up waiting to see what I do😞 is approximately same sound as 22? I haven't been able sight in my hammer because of that situation got me rattled still💔💩
@@toddhanis1516 sorry for all the hassle. We are much quieter than a 22LR with ours but also not .50cal.
Did they take your gun or anything other than requiring you to change underwear? 😄
Great video guys! I'm about to buy a new moderator besides the Tanto for my M3. Thinking about the Ronin now. But apart from that I shoot with the same gun, same caliber (M3 0.25??). Your results are good but may I ask what your settings are? Like in 1st reg, 2nd reg, micro+macro and valve? This will affect the dB as well I think? Keep up the good stuff!
Our current tunes
Reg1: 190 bar
Reg2: 155bar
Valve: line 4
Power Wheel: 16
Micro: 4
38.5/38.9 GM slugs at 960 fps
We didn’t notice any increase in noise and still very back yard friendly. I have also purchased a Donny FL Choi. It’s my favorite look because it is the same barrel diameter but best results are still the Ronin. Love the Donny FL products as well as the FX Impact.
Thanks for reaching out and check out our slug power tuning video of you get a chance. Appreciate your support!!!
@@bowmanoutdoors thanks guys. Much appreciated. Just to be sure, you’re shooting with .25 as well right? I’ll check the tuning video right away!
Yep, .25 cal M3’s with 700 mm barrel. Thanks for watching and I hope you are enjoying our videos.
Very good test. Donny FLs products are awesome. I have one of the shoguns in .25. I was wondering if you could do this same test with the decibel and audio down range and shoot into a soft and quiet target like a sand bag?? Of course with the sound equipment to one side about three or four feet so it doesn't get hit. I think it would be interesting to hear the difference from stock all the way to the shogun. It would completely cancel out the mechanical noise of the shot cycle. Sound from the target side. What's best for hunting or pesting.
This is a great idea and yes, we can do that in both .22 and .25 on them all. I am in agreement that mechanical noise would be negligible down range and now I’m curious.
Stay tuned and thanks for the suggestion and interactions!!!!
@@bowmanoutdoors sweeeeeet. I have an Airforce Condor SS in .25 putting out 90 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. looking into hushing it. Still has quite a bark even with the stock sound lock system. My bet is on the Ronin.
Update on the condor SS. I wound up getting the Ronin and it was pretty quiet. I later found out that Donny makes a Three inch extension tube for the Fatboy 2.0. it is compatible with the Ronin and Emperor. The extension tube combined with the Ronin really makes the Condor SS super quiet. The extension tube only cost $40 but makes a world of difference. At thirty yards all you can here is the hiss of the pellet flying through the air and the impact inside the shooting box. Pretty impressive.
I like the idea of the extension… great call actually. Thanks for that pro-tip. 😁
@@bowmanoutdoors your welcome. believe me the extension tube is well worth the money. It acts as an expansion chamber letting the hard force of the air blast expand and de-pressurize before getting shaved by the baffles of the suppressor resulting in a short quiet hiss instead of a muffled pop speaking from my experience. I don't have the equipment or a channel to make a down range video of a sound test but that would be AWESOME. I mean from a close test and comparing it to thirty yards away. Just an idea keep up the great work my friend. I got the three inch extension tube for Utah airguns and it was to My door very fast. Great airgun shop.
hello, don't forget that only 3 decibels of difference is a single to double noise.
Gotta love ❤ Donnyfl
Your so sad if you think his moderators are good.
@@Letskeepthingsreal Haters hate.
So sad too bad 👎
you know it, and BUY NOW!!! or oops, Legal system now honed in on DonnyFL... a little too much CUSTOMIZING... a little too long... OUCH. I hope they stay afloat. time to look overseas more.... happy gunning!
i have the donny sumo on my kral puncher knight..a very good piece of kit...i picked up a kral np02 and made a huge mistake allowing myself to be sold a shop own brand silencer..what a load of kaka that was..complained and went for the donny tanto.now im happy again lol it really is good value for money like u said. btw whats with the shark rescue..u rescue sharks or ppl from sharks lol..if latter u best camp outside gunshop i used here lmao.
Nothing specific about the shirt. Just one I had. 😁
@@bowmanoutdoors hey sharks are pretty cool right 👍 from a safe distance.
very good the videos are of congratulations I would like to know the size of each suppression of this one can you leave it inscribed please
Sizes placed in the comments section. Thank you for your question and feedback!!!
That’s what I’d like to see is an accuracy comparison with them
Coming soon but we will do 2 guns to ensure consistency and determine if it is fun specific. Thank you for the suggestion
DonnyFL has the best suppressors, as well as Customer Service hands down
Agree with you on customer service and products, but then again, Donny FL are the only moderators we’ve tried. Love them 100% though!
I notice you have the pocket chrono on. Did the moderators affect the fps?
We have not noticed any decreases (or increases) in FpS using moderators but did not specifically notate or test across the entire moderator line. Sounds like an episode 2 idea 😁
Great question and thank you.
good review. i was wondering how offen they need to be taken apart and cleaned?
We haven’t taken them apart yet, but can do so to get a better understanding. Want to see our results, or just curious?
Thanks for watching!
@@bowmanoutdoors i have a couple of them but i just use one on my royal crown and red wolf. maybe 500 shots through it. no problem just wondered if i needed to clean it. thank you.
We have thousands through ours without cleaning or seeing degradation of shot consistency or a noticeable sound increase. I’ll pull it apart soon just to check, but anticipate several thousand rounds between having to mess with it but am now curious as well.
@@bowmanoutdoors thank you i will be watching to see what you find out.
One thing to keep in mind is that the human ear can only hear differences in like 3 dbs if im not mistaken.
Good point! I’m also trying to get my hands on a more precise instrument and a more controlled environment to improve accuracy of the testing.
Are those items considered illegal to own, every thing I read say they are? I’m just wondering cause I want to order one for my Fx Maverick
Currently in Georgia, and also in Texas they are not illegal. Technically they are not installed on a firearm as there isn’t currently legislation for air rifles specifically. If you install the moderator on anything other than an air rifle, you would be violating several regulations.
I would suggest looking into your local (state) laws if you have concerns.
Great question and thanks for your feedback/support.
On a similar note, we once had someone report us to the sheriff while shooting in our backyard. (Within an HOA). Sheriff arrived, inspected things, then spent the next 45 minutes shooting with us. We had a lot of fun and some great conversation.
@@bowmanoutdoors thank you for your time, I’ll look into my laws and see what they say
Hey guys, I just made a FRENZY purchase of the uhm, lost count DonnyFLs... and in a five minute bind, i put you two on, ffw to the stats, and THANK YOU, i already had five ronins, NONE in a 30cal. I WAS going to order the SHOGUN, then i saw your presentation. THANK YOU. Now i have all the linkages for the EXT chambers too... This was your work and its POSITIVE influence on my purchasing decision. Congrats...! Really. You MADE my choice for me - I asked-YouAnswered- that is a winning Marketing Plan. You have VERY USEFUL info on this and the view metrics show this. I just started my own PCP casting/slugging/demos channel, Jan 2022, never edited a video ever. OUCH. Holy COW. Now it better, 100+ videos later..!!! Excellent work on the Closed Captions, did you type them all in yourself? Video editing is not my most favorite part of a Content channel, its casting, sizing radaring and shooting in all sorts of random conditions, snow and 100f. ... Keep up that quality TEAM work. VERY Nifty, cool cool, Men! And happy holidays. There is nothing so good as family time and a bond over firearms OR PCPs or any hunt orski, climb, bike, fish... all of it. you wont ever forget it. 🙂
Thanks so much for the note! Makes our day to know we are helping others but also enjoying ourselves along the way.
Logan (my son) does all the video editing as it’s way more work than I realized and not my favorite part either. I like tinkering, being outdoors, testing and experimenting etc, but my primary enjoyment comes from having out with my son while we explore nature, outdoor sports etc and documenting it along the way. I actually smile so much on the small interactions and giving each other a hard time.
Enjoy the journey and maybe we can link up and do a collaborative project sometime. I’m still learning about this content creator thing. I don’t see us ever getting rich, but a sponsor or way to minimize the wallet impact would be nice at some point along the way to help us keep doing it and investing back into all things outdoors.
Cheers!!!
@@bowmanoutdoors YOU ARE LUCKING out to have your son HELP with the editing, or so all! it is very TEDIOUS and mindful. a simple 4min DIY casting video, took me 120+++ edits and about 7 hours.... but it is to the point, DIY CAST SLUGS Pellets. with OSHA presentation gearwise and HVAC removal into wet towl offset... OUTDOOR- i just have had a m50 AEA mould i fired up to be prototyped and ran for production after i test... do YOU have an AEA m50 by chance? I need some checks and balances before a FINALY run decision on production Removable Guide Pin set- 4Cav. fast caster, DEEP very much so, HP to back up the C.G. I have entire diagram and the reasoning behind this design... with AEA specs and NOE MOULDS makin g all the parts to MOD Blackpowder 510 Texan downsized shanks into a 0.493... anyhow, if you have let me know... i love the M3 Impact concept and i WISH i could afford the 700mm barrel 30cal... but i need a THERMAL THOR first!!! Predators killing the animals here. anyhow, very neat channel and when you produce more, EXCELLENT - what a NEAT collective project, really!! Now i just will SUBSCRIBE in case... hows that. ! You gentlemen take care and let me know if you have an m50. the design is opn my COMMUNITY TAB. took me MONTHS to come up with, since NO SIZING gear for that cal... NONE.
We have 2 each of the following for now…
AirMaks Katran XL (bottle) .22cal
FX Impact M3 .25 cal
I’d love to have more, but it’s freaking expensive to fund the ones we have so I need the channel to become monetized so I can invest all that back into the channel with additional gear and testing.
I’d like to get a thermal scope as well for night time critter control. 😁
@@bowmanoutdoors I have something I would be interested in you testing for me. It is a 252 60gr and 57.5gr and 55.5gr ~ numbers in my castings. I told NOE BULLET MOULDS owner I would MARKET FOR HIM .... and I need someone to give feedback on my Impact and you want traffic. I collaborate with a bit of Smith and casters long before this new century. ;-)
Vietnam Vets shell-shocked tended to LIKE ME. I didn't pass judgement. I respected while others JEERED , at amazing SHARPSHOOTER Too afraid to leave his isolation... it was sad. Most are all dead, my mentors. Far and near.
Posting it NOW IN COMMUNITY TAB on my YT Channel page
Why not the emporor or ronin with extender?
Once we get our barrel tensioners delivered, we can try it on the extender. Having all that weight on the end of the barrel seemed excessive. Sounds like a fun trial though!
Can i ask what app you were using?
I’ll have to ask Logan. He is the one in charge of technology. 😁
Every 3 db is 100% increase in loudness. I.e 104 to 87 is 560% reduction that's huge
Oh man, then my calculations of a 20% reduction going from 79db to 64db is much greater than the 21% I thought! Thanks for the feedback (and support)
Can you add a DonnyFL to a 22 caliber Benjamin Akela? If so, what do I need to know?
As long as it has a threaded barrel, which it looks like it does. Then on the Donny FL side just select the right caliber. Its really simple from utahair.
have you try hogan trident?
I have not. Should we?
@@bowmanoutdoors yes you should try it.💪
Was kinda hopin that neighbor dog would catch a flier!
Haha. Can’t tune it low enough to not get caught and we’ve had the police called once already. Turns out we were all good and he stayed and shot with us for another 30-45 minutes. He was amazed “these aren’t the air rifles I grew up with”. 😁😁😁
That’s not to say I haven’t had the exact same thought on multiple occasions. 🤔
I've got the Tanto and it works perfectly fine, but to be honest, the DonnyFL range especially the bigger stuff is way over priced and it's all marketing and design...plenty cheaper options on the market that 'suppress' better
I would agree that there isn’t a technology or design change within the lineup and other than volume of the can, the larger ones approach the law of diminishing return. We will be testing other brands once we save up a bit of money.
This is why i never buy expensive silencer .... I make my own
Understand that, but we have liked our Donny FL including their customer service.
I had the same result, with the shogun 97 decibels. Waste of money. Weihrauch XL I came to 86 decibels. Donnyfl nice advertisement, bad muffler
Thanks for the feedback and for watching. I have a new moderator on order from a different manufacturer. We’ll see how it compares.
If you publish a Table it would be better.
Great suggestion for the next comparison video. Thanks for the feedback!
You keep having an inconsistent distance between the muzzle and microphone sir. This deviation makes your entire test flawed im afraid you have wasted your time. To set up a better system make 1 feet 3 feet 5 feet distance markers. mic all of them. register the shooting again.
Get a workable result that scales well ;)
Great suggestion and you are correct. This is a learning process as well as teaching. We learn all kinds of new things each time. Definitely valuable suggestions that will be taken into account for future projects. 😁
at least do it with another brand or different moderator.
That’s a valid point, but since I purchase everything, that’s all I had at the time. I will be trying new brands with future moderator purchases.
Thank you for watching and your feedback!
Not accurate testing dog barking in the background lol
Podniecacie się tylko tym że coś jest ładne.W żeczywistości DFL to szajs.
That is not worth the money!!!
Cost and value are certainly things to consider but we were using a cell phone as a decibel reader and actual decibel reduction maybe different which is why I had to go to improvement percentages. I agree that the standard moderator had noticeable improvement and came with the gun and the Tanto was the best value, but it is still subjective to end user. Thank you for your thoughts and comments.
560% decrease in sound for the Ronin not a good enough result for you?
Hard to beat 560% improvement. No complaints here! It is one of those things where we consistently look for more and increased performance in all areas though. Just testing and comparing to see what works best in each of our specific scenarios.
Thanks for the feedback and comments.
Overrated, and even more overpriced.
Well they didn’t pay or send them to us so we had to purchase each one. We like them but have not compared them to some of the other manufacturers.
Thanks for watching!! Appreciate it
Can you please tell us of a better example that is less expensive I would love to know which one that is... thanks
We have a new video dropping within a week or two showing DonnyFL’s newest lineup which is comparable in price but much more adaptable and so far, I really like it. As for other manufacturers, I do not have a comparison test nor experience with them.
@bowmanoutdoors yes I have the sumo on my .25 cal. wildcat mk3bt sniper w/ slug power kit and slug liner quieter than my .22 cal. m rod... also a little side note you might want to clean the felt,screen, and baffles in your Donnie FL after every 2000 rounds as it gets weighty from the lead dust and changes your point of impact and the report