Premier Episode Of Model Car Genealogy
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- With my Co-Host Chris Martin. We follow down the genealogy line of model car kits. When the kit first was introduced. The different variations that were reissued over the years and changes that had happened. And what other kits may be linked the the main topical kit being discussed.
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This was an awesome episode to watch. This is something I wish I could show friends and family about when it comes to the history of plastic model kits.
I'd love so see an episode of the classic AMT cars that have the full front and rear custom body kit panels.
Ex: 49 ford, 57 ford, 57 chevy, 60 ranchero
This is a great show. I love learning about the history of the kits we build. You have just created the best show to watch while building.
Thank you very much.
This is great! For someone like me who doesn't have a history of the hobby, it fills in a lot of gaps, tells a story and has a little mystery to it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just found this episode, what a cool show! Could be a whole series, History of the Hobby!
It’s fun seeing the kits I saw during my modeling life! Thank for the memories!!
Our pleasure!
Thank you for the history of a model . It's a great show . Keep up the good work.
I have the road runner figure if you want it.
Thanks, will do!
Hi there! I really like this genealogy show! It reminds me of the times talking to a friend of mine who is 15 years older than me about old model kits that were available back in the day. Stuff I had no idea of. And I’ve been building models nonstop for 51 years, and I’m 56!😂
Good thing I bought a bunch of those 71 Roadrunners. Great kit.
One thing about the 74 GTX the dash was from the 75 Monoco and still had the single exhaust. Fortunately the newest issue of the 74 roadrunner the dual exhaust and dash was corrected.
I should have said 75 Roadrunner dash.
Great vid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤜🤛
Thanks Tim. Glad you liked it.
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I really like the idea of this show. You guys gotta keep doing these. Some history on the brands themselves would be cool too!
Here are a few notes for you. As suggested in the video, the '71 Road Runner and GTX kits share the same interior. Re: when the NASCAR Road Runner was released, I feel pretty confident in saying that it was in 1972. MPC released its first NASCAR kits that year, after their run of annual kits. The Petty Road Runner was one of four that came out that summer. It would also make sense that MPC wouldn't alter the molds that much in between two annual years ('71-72), but would wait until a new body needed to be tooled ('73). Close examination of body details seems to confirm this; e.g. the door handles and locks are unchanged between the '71 and '72 kits, while on the 1987 reissue, they're different, meaning MPC/Ertl had to restore those after the mold had been altered for the NASCAR kit. I know Scalemates puts the NASCAR kit release between the '71 and '72 annuals, but Scalemates isn't always correct.
I LOVE THIS! This is what I have been searching youtube for YEARS for! I have only been "building" a couple years I am younger so was not around for all of this but so intriguing when I open a repop of an old kit I can't help but wonder the history of how this particular kit good and bad got into my hands in the 2020s that was first introduced 50 years ago. Love this stuff please please please keep these coming. Maybe do some kits that are not impossible to get your hands on? O n I NEVER knew they never made a winged 71 road runner!
I just started back up Building working on a 442 Olds and a 67 Corvette 427 and enjoying it very much , also enjoy your show.
More notes!
I really enjoy digging into kit histories like this; in fact, I’d been contemplating doing videos along this very line, but I’m not a CZcamsr so I’d be starting from scratch…and it’ll probably never happen. So I guess I might as well support your efforts!
Following up on my earlier comments about the MPC NASCAR kits: MPC ran full-page color ads for their first four NASCAR kits in Car Model magazine during 1972. You probably already know what the first cars were: Baker Charger, Allison Cyclone, Hurtubise Chevelle, and Petty Road Runner. Each of these cars were at the end of their current design cycle (the Cyclone’s design ended after ‘71 but there was no ‘72 kit) so it made sense for MPC to get more mileage out of the obsolete tooling by altering them into race cars.
The Shirley Muldowney funny car is notable because it has a flat hood - no scoop. Unfortunately a real Satellite hood for ‘73-74 had a subtle peak running down the center which the kit does not have. MPC deleted the door handles and locks, but retained the emblems on the trunk lid (along with the lock) and the front panel above the grille. I didn’t check to see if the door handles or hood on the ‘83 reissue GTX were different from the ‘73 or ‘74 annuals - that info might tell us something. I believe most annual kit bodies came from the same molds as promos, altered for opening hoods. Quite often promo and kit hoods do not exactly match in their details, indicating that kit hoods were tooled separately. I doubt that there were two body tools for the '73-74 Road Runner; therefore the Muldowney body would have been used prior on an annual kit, but altered to have the closed hood. If the Muldowney kit was released after MPC ran '74 annuals (but I cannot confirm this was the case), they would have had to restore the details, etc. for the 1983 GTX reissue.
The ‘83 GTX reissue uses a ‘78 Monaco 2-door chassis - w/catalytic converter, as you mentioned - that was shortened at the front and rear. The kit also has an incorrect 1978 Monaco instrument panel. The correct panel was restored in a later issue and remains to this day. The ‘83 reissue had Road Runner emblems on the body, but they were removed from the mold in a later reissue because of WB licensing issues. The most recent version(s) have decals in place of emblems.
It would take a lot of time (and kits) to research the history of the poor overworked chassis that appears in these kits - it was lengthened, shortened, lengthened again, etc. These days the chassis is lengthened for the ‘78 Monaco kit and requires shortening when used on the ‘74 Road Runner. A scored cut line is provided and it's mentioned in the instruction sheet.
The Monaco 4 door kit originally (Dukes kit, I mean) came with molded-open holes in the body to accommodate the police parts. These were flashed over (starting with the first Joker Goon Car kit?), making it a little easier to build a nice clean stock 4 door.
I thought I’d try to confirm your mention of a reissue of the ‘71 Road Runner as a Petty NASCAR, and went digging through my old catalogs. I can confirm that it was indeed announced, in the AMT/Ertl 1995 catalog, page 20. There’s a photo of a built model, and a catalog number of 8115EO. An internet search turns up nothing, though.
Thank you for that information
Great show!! Fantastic work on this. The ‘71 RR is my grail kit, I’m lucky to have a few in my stash and I’d love to see it back out with the nose cone and the wing! Thanks Luka 👍 Looking forward to more episodes!
Thanks. We will do more
Great idea for a video series.. Always cool to see the history where they started..
Thanks bud!
Awesome Video, I know some what of the history of the hobby. Now at 69 I try to get the kits I grew up with and had.
Fun Vid guys!! Thanks for an informative look back on some very cool MOPARS!
Thanks Mark! We have more in the works.
Very cool idea showing the history of these great kits. I think a good subject for this would be AMC car kits. Especially the Matador. Look foward to seeing your next episode.
Whenever I look at Scalemates, I always wonder why hardly anyone adds comments to it to identify new parts, deleted parts, different versions that can be built out of the box, etc.
Right away, you opened my eyes to the '71 Superbird kit. I can't see the small images on Scalemates, and had no idea that a stock '71 could be built from it. (I hope you guys take the initiative to assist us with more of this kind of info, and also that you enter some of it in Scalemates, where new modelers can read it).
I just recently bought the '74 Road Runner kit from Ollie's, but went back and they're all gone already.
The premiere of 1:1 Dodge Charger was the 1966 model year, not 1967. I've seen a few 1967 model kits still floating around at swap meets, but not more than one 1966 anywhere (and it was open box). I want to build a 1966 model. (The Charger II show car was a 1965, previous to introduction of the first production 1966 Charger.)
Please do continue this new series. I found it very interesting.
Really cool episode. Very interesting. Keep them coming
Boy, the show for MPC/AMT Corvette genealogy could likely be a two parter!
I like the show, y'all did good here. I learned a bunch - Thx!
Awesome. Thank you
the TJ Hooker 'not a Dodge Monaco' kit was the first one i bought as a kid.. it was on the shelf in a Ben Franklin store and as a 7 year old kid i thought i was buying pre-built replica of Hooker's car with my hard-earned allowance.. it was around $5.. was horrified to get home and open the box to find all those tiny plain black parts.. after begging mom for some glue to try to slap the parts together after twisting and yanking them off the sprues it turned into a true glue bomb.. well, here i am 40 years later still building kits 😉 i recall reading articles over the years about the box art build.. if memory serves it was built by Terry Jessee and a mishap during the photoshoot resulted in it melting under the hot lights.. the earlier Rosco version did indeed involve modifying the 2-door into the 4-door.. it was a popular conversion at the time when the Force 440 was released until the 4-door was tooled
G'day guys, what an awesome show. Great idea, I love the history of model kits. Can't wait for the next one.
More to come!
Luka-you are mistaken about Daisy’s road runner. She initially had a ‘71 /‘72 for one or two episodes. It was painted the same yellow and black. It went off a cliff and exploded. Then they switched to the ‘73/‘74 body style that was in several episodes.
The CHP kit has both the wheels from the dodge pick up, and the “too wide” steel wheels from the Force 440 kit. The only tires included are the correct “skinny” tires.
Thank you. Good information
This was a fun show, lots of information and back stories. Being younger, I have been looking for reasonably priced AMT kits of the 1997 Camaro SS. It appears that this kit has a short history but hasn’t been released since the original in 1997. Wonder if Round 2 will find that tooling and also offer a convertible version as well.
This is a good idea. There's way too many I would like to know about.
Another awesome video, and I love this idea of telling the history of different kits. Thanks for doing this
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks!
Awesome idea! Great show! I always loved that about your show! Compare kits history and all that other great stuff!!
Thank you very much!
First time viewing and before you ever got to it I screenshotted that kit behind him to blow it up to see what it was. I'm looking for a '71 or preferably '72 Satellite/Roadrunner or GTX and I spotted that rear 1/4 window right away. I wasn't building when this one came out. I stopped about 1990 and just started again.
According to Google, Daisy's yellow 1974 Plymouth Road Runner was in the first 26 complete episodes of The Dukes of Hazzard,
Great show! Please keep it up!
Thank you. We will!
The checkerboard Walmart kits were value kits and they sold for about half of what you would pay for the same thing at hobby lobby or a hobby store which probably helped with all the hobby shops going under
Great idea! Looking forward to No. 2
Second comment 😊 As stated in the video, the latest CHP Monaco had the correct skinnier wheels, push bar, and a new light bar. It's a great kit.
Just a small nitpick. The reissue of the Dukes Monaco has slightly different box art. The original shows a car with an all red light bar. The reissue shows the correct light bar with red and blue lights.
Great video! I love the Monaco kit and have built several.👍
Thanks for the info!
Great and informative video! Cant wait to see the next one! You guys came up with a Hell of a great idea!
Thanks!
Thank you
The highway patrol used foxbody mustangs here in ohio, which is a 2-door car. I love that force 440 car. I know it gets hated on alot along with the smokey the convoy chaser 76 dart car. 2 of my grail kits i have yet to pick up at the vendor area of a show!!
these are awesome videos … thanks so much
Thank you
Hey guys I really enjoyed the history lesson. I have heard there is a maverick coming that would be a good one
I really dig this show! 😎👍🏾
Thanks Cliff
I believe the TJ Hooker or first Batman movie Monaco had the dual exhaust molded into the chassis. I have seen both. I just built a later reissue of the Dukes Monaco but used a dual exhaust chassis from an earlier kit from my parts stash.
We discovered that after recording. We did not have access to a TJ hooker kit to verify that. But I did see it in my first Goon car versions I have. There must be two molds of the chassis I would guess at that point.
The 2003 issue of the Goon Car has the dual exhaust, too. But by the time they did the DoH reissue it was back to single. We may do a recap segment at the beginning of the next episode.
Re: the "found" Petty Roadrunner: this was definitely a thing! Pretty sure it was in the RC2 Birth? Renaissance? It was the period where Cheryl? from RC2 was working with Tom Carter from Hobby Heaven. They were looking for all the pieces from this long lost release. My brother and I swapped Plymouth kits. I had the MPC that started this show. He had the Black Satelite. I swapped with him since I am not a scale bigot (at least between 1/24 and 1/25). Part of my thought process was, like you Luka, RC2 is going to be re-releasing a version of this in the not too distant future, so no big deal. Never happened.
I remember that going on with Tom Carter. I had forgotten. That is probably where I heard about the Petty re release
This geneology stuff is cool. You guys did not mention that the 72 Roadrunner kit also included "superbird" parts. At least that is what my old brain seems to recall. I might be wrong on this.
No. Things get missed. I do have a picture of it, too. But we figured that it would be assumed when I showed the wing is still.in the 74 kit. Thanks Rick! 😁👍
I love the new show can`t wait for more.🚗
Thanks
The 1977 Monaco kit i built still had the 6 pack option.
The Monaco is my favorite because it was every where in the 80s on tv and the movies. I’m still trying to find the T j hooker version for my stash
72 years young modeler, doing it since the sixties, These will be a walk down the lane,lol ModelOn!!
You guys will think I'm crazy, but i have been wanting for years to graft the nose and wing from the 70' superbird onto the 1969 Plymouth GTX convertible. I know it sounds crazy but i bet it would look so interesting seeing the superbird ends on the convertible.
Go for it
The Dodge Monaco is one of my favorite kits to modify and bash with more detailed Mopars. I was doing annual builds of this kit from 2019-2022.
Here’s my playlist: czcams.com/play/PL56283-KKOwcYV4aN4EH-mgH8BEEi0JeZ.html&si=2QfNfhItx8fKUKEb
It's a fun kit. And I love those cars. I know you do.
Ive got the 72 RR kit built from when i was a kid it has the birdbath hood , but the front end an back bumper panel are missing!!
What colour is the plastic? 🤔
@@chrmar Its Red
@@chrmar oh forgot to tell you great format of a show can't wait to see shows on other kits !
So I just looked at round 2 store. And for the Monaco they only have the Batman version not the Chp one. Any more so find them when you can I guess
Most State police and State highway patrols used 2 door sedans well into the mid sixties. Chevrolet and Ford discontinued their full size 2 door sedans after 1969 (2 door sedan....do not call them 2 door posts, you will sound like someone who knows nothing about cars to someone who does ). Plymouth would discontinue them after 1971. Meanwhile a few agencies still specified a 2 door sedan, so the 2 door hardtop was used. I'm certain Nebraska was the last one and actually used '78 Dodge Monaco 2 drs. So the Force 440 isn't too far fetched. Of course many agencies would use Mustangs and Camaros but they were a different animal and neither were available as a 4 door.
I know of some pretty knowledgeable guys that built some amazing Hot Rods and successful race cars that call a 2 door "Sedan" a 2 door "Post" I've never heard such ridiculousness before.
That might explain why you need to fill a gap in the 73-up cars where the engine compartment misses the inside of the fenders?
Could very well be
How about what happened to the supercharger 73?74? Dodge charger haven't seen that since I was a little kid in the 80's
Good Stuff Guy's, I gotta request, I like building the Custom versions of cars (No Chrome) and making them Street Rods. Like the AMT 49 Ford and Chevy Fleetline. Could you do a video on kits that offer Custom options? Mostly referring to the 40s, 50s, 60s cars. Thanks
Oh boy. That could be a very long one. There are so many over the years.
Luka, Maybe break it down by decades or model of cars. I just started this hobby up again 3 1/2 yrs ago at 62 yrs of age, last build before that I was 11. Started w/ some Moebius Invisable Man, Bride of Frankenstein kits, then built 8, 1/48 planes, 4 WW1 and 4 WW2. Built my son's dream car a 70 Chevelle w/396 engine and I was Hooked on car builds and Can't shake it. Anyway, thought I'd share my journey into the Amazing addiction of Model car kits. Thanks for your content Luka
What about the Volare road runners? How did they fit in. I believe the road runner badge (as sad as it was after 72) lived on until 1980
The Volaré kits aren't related to these ones.
@chrmar no I get that. But what was said was there wasn't a 76 road runner. But there was. I get that kit wasn't related to this body. Big difference. But the road runner limped along until 1980 as a volare'. That's all I was saying. No big deal
how do I get the timeline history chart you used
I created that timeline specifically for this video so that it would include everything, but the individual timelines for the Roadrunner/GTX and Monaco kits are on Scalemates. 🙂
@@chrmar thanks
I know you guys know, but the winged cars were NOT officially outlawed. They were allowed an engine size no bigger than a 305 C.I. displacement. A HUGE difference from the 426 Hemis these cars were running in 1969 and 1970. Almost no one chose to run them in that configuration, though I think Mario Rossi ran his #22 Daytona at least once (Bobby Allison driving?). You guys are evil, because now I want to track down a Joker Goon kit with the resin figure. I had been resisting buying that kit for the last couple of years. The thought being: you should have the Batmobile at least started if not built before picking up the Joker Mopar kit.
Yes, you are correct. But that's a subject for another video.😁👍