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0:00 - Intro
0:42 - Prologue
0:59 - Path Explained
5:50 - Xin Zhao standard example
9:38 - Lillia alternate mirror path example
11:01 - LPL game by BLG Xun Jarvan example
13:00 - Outro + Announcement
This Path is very common in China even Last Season it was played alot. After you kill the Enemy Jungler + Gromp + Wolves you can transition Gank Mid get Prio and invade again with Midlaner since the enemy Jungler is still lvl2. Then you can reset and fight him again on Bot Crab with your huge Item lead. I played it alot on Kayn so you can also invade him on Kruggs if he starts Topside extra Points if you take Ghost and get his Flash early since your Ghost will be up much faster which should result in a kill down the Line. Also you will get alot of Stacks early which is Huge on Kayn.
To add on this. If he starts Topside at his Red you start at your Wolves level E on Kayn run over the Redbuff wall and focus on stealing the small kruggs with kayn q, you dont have to smite the big one. Fight him but be carefull about Top and Mid if they dont rotate steal the raptors then either gank mid or use E to go from upper mid to your raptors then invade him again Botside with Level advantage.
Once you get ahead the Game is pretty much over. You get serrated dirk and perma kill the Enemy Jungler. With Blue Form you just scout for Enemy Jungle and take him out and only focus on enemy Camps since yours are not leveld so they dont give much EP. I dont know other Servers that well but it works great in Masters on EUW and for Smurfing. But i would not reccomend this to players below D2 since you have to know the Matchups not only Jungle but also the Lane ones. If the Enemy has a roaming support or mobile Mid you have to be very careful to not throw your lead in that case you can still perma kill the enemy jungle but you should consider to build a bruiser item first like stridebreaker.
Great vid, lot of good takeaways for any jungler outside of the standard full clear.
Amazing video, thank you. The explanations were clear and concise, examples excellent.
amazing video lots of new info thank you
thanks, as a big main xin zhao (70% winrate in master) that will definitly helps me in some game plan. Great video
As a xin main, I love this. Great content and explanations.
So after the invade (sucessfull or not) Do you just clear the rest of your red side jungle or do you follow them into their red side?
Please do more of these examples, awesome
Really good theory here. Definitely going to try this next ranked game.
I used to do this path all the time but when that last scenario happens with J4 vs Xin the wall opening wasn’t there so my sup would never rotate at the same pace as enemy sup.. also where I get lost would be after you kill is it generally better to take your reset and defend your camps on other side or commit to the split map situation ? I find the split map is often harder if your playing into a good enemy sup they can ruin your tempo and harass you early
If I were to do this on Warwick would it be best to start red or chickens?
Would this work on belveth and if so which skill do you get at lvl 2?
With a good leash can u do red instead of raptors?
And how do you play it against strong early champ ?
Wow that lillia example is mind blowing. I never expected an invade into 3 then punish smite.
they both had smite. there was no "no smite" punished. poppy just got outsmited
@@julerylive736 Unless she somehow was expecting the invade or got a huge leash (doubt it with Pyke Tristana bot), Poppy fastest clear usually smites red in order to gank mid before the enemy midlaner gets lvl 3 or to be lvl 4 at crab spawn
Source: I'm a Poppy jungle otp
@@Moldworm theres no way she could have smite up at raptors when she smited red so she must have smite up at gromp.
exactly@@gizmo3728
@@gizmo3728 That's true, mb
I am low elo af and had crazy results with this, thanks for sharing.
Hello, very good video.
Could you make a follow up video on how to best defend against this path.
In the LPL exemple as the Xin, I think if you expect this pathing from jarvan (as you said Xin did expect it) you might want to just split the map and do vertical jungling.
It's not really giving any advantages to xin, but I feel like the choice is not his relating purely to the draft, best he can do is go even and should look to do so.
I'm not super knowledgeable but I can imagine that if we go one layer deeper, there might be some micro tactics involving top side matchup / wave management to allow one the ganking junglers if it's a kind of mirror like jarvan/xin to give a lead to the top side.
You made very interesting points all around and I think it would be great that you explore more layers of this strategy with us to really innovate !
Thanks for the content !!
Well this is exactly why this path is so strong, forcing vertical jungling is very good for Jarvan this game. I think the best play for Xin is to ward the bottom river bush to anticipate Jarvan coming, start his red with a leash and try to use the fact he has red buff as an advantage.
how many times are you going to repeat the same invading pathing?
I Agree , i played against this early season and it was really hard to respond correctly. (I was Ivern). Now i've already changed my clear to avoid problems like this
Do you think if Xun didnt have stronger earlier botlane/press bot he shouldnt have gone for it? Cuase if he doesnt have press bot he is the one on xin's position no? he has to get out and lose time instead of xin
would this be effective with diana?
incredible
Great vid 👌
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Someone know if the new map image is load in some site ? i search the new map for my coaching but, i'm still with old map form yet
ok I just did the raptors thing to invade it was 15/0 vs a khazis who ended up going afk
well, u can still do it with kindred lvling Q first for raptors.
This pathing is insanely good to be honest and it is insanely good for Shaco because you can clear the raptor camp without even being there with boxes. Most of the times I even made to the enemy side before they clear the first camp and steal it. To be honest it is pretty disgusting on Shaco and that is coming from Shaco main who loves to make the enemy jungle cry. 😅
Thank you a lot for the great content and that is definitely a subscribe from me.
Thanks for the kind words man, I'm glad you are abusing it, it does sound pretty good for shaco 😄
Do you think you can make an in depth video of one of your games where you do this clear and punish the enemy jungler after the cheese? I tend to have a hard time deciding what to do after getting an early lead after invading. Do I invade and neglect my camps, do I farm my camps, do I invade on camp and buff timers, do I balance the two? It gets confusing and overwhelming
If I have a game like this I will make a video 👍
After the Karthus kill, would you argue instantly basing then going to your bot side to cover instead of wolves red into bot?
I believe karthus running directly from base to my blueside is a low percentage gamble from him, but it is possible. Its more likely he does red krugs for lvl 3 and invades from bot river. Basing is fine aswell, it is the less greedy option.
Great video ty for the tips man ! But i have a question on your xin vs karthus exemple, you started wolves but karthus can come on you and just kill you no ? I mean, the time you get wolves karthus can be here Full hp and kill you ?
I have smite, he wont make it in time, much better play for him to try to get lvl 3 and invade my blueside
@@JungleGapGG yeah make sense ty for the answer
Leo, do you think jax is decent enough early game to do this invade (by maybe taking Q level 2) against weak early junglers?
For sure
I love it when people invade me lvl 2 or 3 and I'm playing karthus with exhaust.
This is pretty cool! I gave it a try and the two issues I see with it are that a) you don't have red buff and b) in low elo people tend to over stay for the leash so the timing to get to gromp might actually be harder?
The downside to starting red is that you are much slower, and if you take a leash the enemy knows you are starting red and can potentially anticipate an invade. If you think they are overstaying for a leash, simply walk around from the bottom side of blue.
Great video! Could you do the same thing starting red? Say, on Kindred or Graves with a wall jump.
You could, the reason starting raptors is so effective is because of how faster it is. The fact you can also start raptors without any leash makes it so tracking you is much harder as opposed to starting red with a leash so you can be fast enough to make the gromp timing.
this is insane
any response as a full clear like brand? whats your optimal pathing or other tactics?
Check out my latest video 💪
I am using a translation and it may be confusing.
If the enemy Mid places a ward on a 1:20 Raptor, what do you do with this route?
If the enemy bot leash a blue buff, can you make it to the gromp in time?
If enemy mid ward raptor 1.20, you cannot continue this path. If enemy bot leash blue, you can make it to gromp yes 👍
what if i start Topside Raptors, gonna invide Topside Bluebuff, but he startd Red. What do i do in this Szenario? Take his blue, my red, skip Krugs and raptors into Blue Scuttle? or what do i do ?
Take his blue and gromp for lvl 3, if you can win lvl3 1v1 ward over blue wall and wait for him, if you dont win 1v1 go back to red and clear down to your blue with +2 camp lead.
am i not offtempo that way for Grubs?@@JungleGapGG
Really great info, thanks my friend! What is your take on Vi invade? she pretty strong skirmisher. obviously there are stronger champs but im an otp Vi Jung and haven't jungled much outside of D4
Probably wouldn't be the first champion that comes to mind when thinking about the champions that are good at doing this path. However you can genuinely do this on any champion that can win the fight against the enemy jungler on gromp, or to just split the map for winning side. Also depending on rune choice, I know some vi players take HOB so this could make her early skirmishing stronger.
this remind me the old play for the jungle style in support ?
So in the Jarvan example, could you elaborate how the game is over for xin? Like what should j4 be doing to punish xin. Stop clearing their own camps and just perma invade? What if he has no prio, invade anyway?
In my opinion he should keep trying to invade xin, so cross mid and take raptors, xin needs 2 more camps to get lvl 3 so jarvan much stronger. I believe he doesnt do this because he used smite on blue and doesnt want to waste time if xin can smite steal his own raptors or red.
would Taliyah be able to do this, maybe depending on runes ?
Probably not the strongest lvl 2, but can work depending what you vs
To counteract this, ward your blue bush to the river if you see an early invader, start red, see them walk into your blue side, immediately go and clear their blue side.
and then skip scuttle crab, reset and run to their raptors which willl be synced up with your blue camps
Fair enough but I think they are ok with that trade off honestly (splitting the map) if it means an early gank bot or mid depending on matchups which is a big reason for them to do it in the first place.
Best way to deal with I think is to start blue with leash if you suspect the enemy might do this and go straight from blue to wolves then to red side
Good 👍 @@longboyfrank
@@longboyfrank thats way too risky though since if they don’t do it you’ve just pathed away from uour gromp & wolves and fucked up your whole sequencing
I think just start red, if you see them do this path split the map and contest enemy raptors at 4:05 after you reset
Im really confused, let's I'm redside like in your case, I start raptors and then inade their blue, what if the ennemy botlane is coming to their blue before mine and i got trapped and fcked there ?
Second thing, what if after you kill khartus, you take wolves and then because the death timer is only 4 seconds at this timing, khartus will comeback at your wolves, then tone can come as well and you dies, then khartus can easy invades you
1. you should kill or force out the enemy jg to 1hp, then smite the gromp and leave when you see enemy bot coming.
2. This karthus case is very specific, I needed to dodge his Q's so it delayed me taking wolves, and even then it is still close to him coming back to take the wolves, in a regular case they will not make it back. Hope this answers your questions
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@@JungleGapGG thanks a lot for answering, I got it but you agree that it’s something that is really matchup dependant, for instance im an OTP master Yi, I couldn’t try that as I’m not that good lvl 2/3 compared to something like Xin
Do you use chatgpt to make titles for video lol
what about starting red instead of raptors and going for stronger power invade, why its not good, lets say on graves, why raptor start
Takes less time to kill them, than the red
Much faster to start raptors, also hidden because you dont need leash, this path is more about tempo then actually killing the enemy jg.
Is it good for Nocturne or is his level 2 not good enough ?
Wait to see enemy on gromp, then skill E and he is strong. If enemy is not on gromp, take w for clear speed.
i died 1v3 doing this, is it really my fault tho
i think this happened in lck today. kt jungler 1 game.
Do you think Viego is a good jungler for this strat?
It can work with viego yes
Really interesting! I’m Lillia CZcamsr in NA Challenger and might make a video doing that Lillia clear, I will credit you and link your video. Also if you are interested in some type of collaboration I would be down, our content is quite similar!
just tried this clear as Lee into a Hecarim was 5/0 at 5 mins.
Why do you use Lethal Tempo instead of Hail of Blades? Shouldnt be Hail of Blades better for ganks because you hit your CC knockup quicker?
You dont need HoB on xin because once you get Titanic he already knocks up very quickly, lethal tempo allows him to fight for a long time and pairs well with titanic, more constant dps.
@@JungleGapGG if you invade the enemys jungle after raptors, do you still use 2nd Skill Q or also W now?
Can this be done well on Yi?
Yes
What do you think off this path for Nocturne?
Can work, just dont skill W or E lvl 2 until you see the enemy, once you see him on gromp skill e and noc is very strong, will win most fights. If enemy is not on gromp, take w to clear faster 👍
I'll try ty for answer :) @@JungleGapGG
how does bro have so little subs? So informative, clear and concise. not a rager like Tarzaned
Ty bro 🙏
The only reason that xin invade worked is because he didnt get wall level 2 , he didnt ward , and his team was AFK.
Karthus could ward raptors , see it coming early, unlock W, stall you with W and Exhaust and wait for his team to come, then get 500 gold.
From there , it might become unplayable for you. (hope you dont want me to explain why , i assume you're pro enough to know already)
If he warded well , he could start wherever he wants and it will be playable for him.
8:30 - by the time you take his wolves , your red and got to your botside - it will be gone.
10:15 - The whole concept of invading after baiting his smite is good , but I think the right play was to run after smiting the gromp.
but instead, you once again coinflipped the whole game trying to fight the poppy 1v1.
You're just lucky this guy ran into the center of your W (or whatever button that spell was).
If he was patient and stalled , you could be 100% dead.
Even then , poppy also wasted the W , could use it for leblanc W or gnar jump , but instead he literally ran it down.
Most of your videos I notice details like this. And sure you have some achievements in this game , but hopefully you dont take the route of NEACE where your skill decays because you get used to backseating and gaslighting.
😂😂
@@JungleGapGG The fact that to the criticism you replied with emojis instead of normally says enough
You said karthus unlock w lvl 2, I thought that was funny is all
I think what you’re missing with this criticism is that league is about playing the odds. Sure, maybe 1% of the time karthus happens to be psychic, skills w and has his solo lanes collapse immediately but are you seriously going to let that tiny chance deter you from exploiting him? Most skilled players try to follow the rule of thumb that if it works 80% of the time or more, it’s a good play. This invade absolutely fits into that category.
@@matttyrrell1510 About the W - sure I can agree. But if they had a ward , they wouldn't let you invade either.
Playing with the odds sacrifices your consistency , therefore you turn your game into a coinflip.
Tarzaned been doing this since day 1 😂
Think another reason this makes more sense now as opposed to previous seasons is that map changes makes it much easier for red side bot lane to help out on the invade
10:00 this is incorrect, she would have smite up here.. she just didn't use it.
OCE have the best coaching VODs out of any English speaking surver by a long way. I imagine OCE is going to be competitive in the future with all this knowledge, learning and practice.
If you’re doing this with graves you should just start red it’s way better and you can e over dragon pit
No its much worse unless you are getting a very good leash which gives the enemy free information. With raptors you dont need to use smite and still faster than starting red and you dont need the actual red buff to win the 1v1.
@@JungleGapGG yea I usually ask for a fat leash also do you still think red start is worse against better lvl 2 junglers? You def don’t need red to kill a full clear jungler like brand, lillia, karthus but if you’re facing an ad champ with a good level 2 that started their blue buff, don’t you think you kinda need red buff to kill them? If I’m playing graves.
hm the lillia example was difficult and very very time and matchup dependend I guess
Aren’t you flipping a coin on laners rotating? I am evelynn otp and had people try to do this to me: i ll just stall and ping like mad till someone rotates. Its really not free 400g either. There is an opportunity cos yo it.
Definitely don't try this in low elo or norms, the enemy laners will most likely rotate and kill you while your laners don't move and blame you for inting
Where does Nidalee stand on this clear?
Nida has better options
start W and do raptors with it, you should enter the bush in the river at around 1:51
Wont work in low elo, mid and top would immediately come to kill you.. no matter they loose minions. And they wont get punished for it from my team mates.
amumu can do this??
Jungle is so unfair. I want to stick to maining top but everytime I go I get so depressed watching how bad the average jg main is and the game impact is way too high.
OCE server though..
Alter sag einfach deinem team dass sie einen ward um 1:25 am blue buff stellen
@karasmailol has been doing this shit since last season bro
Despicable.
I know it's not the topic, but let's be honest below D2, regardless the jungle path, the game is a mess after the second clear. You can even start krug (I know it doesn't spawn at buff time), the game will still be messy
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Stupid strat works only on bad players , u always start birds/wolfs if u are full clearing , u can path it so u get full clear + 1 more side clear depends if u want to path to first spawn drake or voids . If u just start wolfs/birds u always drop trinket river where u can spot if anyone tries to cheese . And u would just waste early pressure and a lot of time .
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oce ?XD (I am master NA. i'm challenger LAN. grandmaster oce is like diamond NA)
Why are you bragging of being challenger in LAN lmfao