Why Some Halo Fans HATED Halo 2 - Halo Community Back In 2004
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- While Halo 2 is a masterpiece and majority of people nowadays feel that way, that Halo 2 is one of the greatest video games of all time. But some member of the Halo Community Back in 2004 felt that Halo 2 was bad and straight up hated Halo 2. But why do people think that Halo 2 is overrated?
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I love how that one guy says “no difficult gameplay, no real challenge.”
Clearly LASO didn’t exist back then.
He probably only played on Normal realistically. In that case yeah Halo 2 is really easy, but it still doesn't entirely represent the game.
Or legendary lol
Just the mention of H2 on Heroic sends shivers down my spine.
He never even did Heroic or Legendary by the sound of it
Halo 2 on outskirts was mentally retarded and I was about to break my controller
Some shits on halo 2:
me:BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY IS HERESY
rocket sloth hearted my comment. That made my day :)
Is it?
@@Zelousmarineinspace yes, now be careful what you say next
Take care Arbiter, what you say is Heresy!
Arbiter mission 5 where your after the Heretic leader is me after the "Halo 5 is the best game" kid
“It was like microsoft pulled the plug on development” little did he know, he was almost right...
That's not really true. Microsoft were (rightfully) upset they spent their time on an E3 demo, that wasn't compatible with the Xbox's hardware.
@@NihilisticIdealist the didn't gave bungie enoguh time so it was it's develompt was hell, the entire story of halo 3 is the third act cut from halo 2 because micro$oft wanted the game as fast as posible
Came to halo 2 very late. AND EVERYTHING WAS AMAZING to my 10 year old eyes
I was one of those people who put like 500 hours into campaign before discovering multiplayer lol
Me too. First played with ma brother...and the story was just WOW.
I played the anniversary edition, but yeah the story is still the same and it was amazing. I have to agree with the guy who felt like it ended so suddenly though. It really felt like they had to cut it off earlier than expected. Felt like I was just getting into Act 3 when it was done.
freaking same. I was playing halo CE and halo 2 for the first time at 10 years old at a time when everyone was playing halo 3, mw2, games like that. still amazing to me
@@writershard5065 act 3 was halo 3. I think it stopped because they were short on time. It would have been fighting jackals and the two brute variants the entire time since those were the only enemies aligned with the prophets
"Almost getting into a fight in elementary school when it came out" Christ the internet makes me feel old.
Edit: Defending needing to pay for xbox live as "console wars" is really weird. Xbox Live and PSN really shouldn't cost money. It's not console wars for a PC player to think online should be free. That was the one thing in that whole review that was actually a legit complaint.
Well heres to hoping Microsoft does go through with the plan to phase out gold and just have gamepass.
Tldr, the plan they say is to just have gamepass like PS Plus: free games for having it monthly, and access to "game pass only" games so long as the use has a gamepass subscription.
@@KeyArts so would i need game pass if I had a physical copy of a game that required internet as its a multiplayer game? Or will just having internet access from a provided be enough?
Yes, especially considering most console games nowadays use peer to peer systems or local hosting anyways, what exactly are you paying for when you're paying for the online? Can't be servers, that's for sure.
Well, good news and bad news, sir/ma'am: *we are old.*
Man, this console wars nonsense sure is tiring me even to this day, especially when it comes to great console exclusive games just slowly dying out because they can't be ported to newer consoles and even the other ones in a proper way; one infamous example being the Silent Hill games.
I love halo 2, but personally, I liked the graphics/art style of Halo CE much better.
Me too. The level art in particular was a lot more compelling and imaginative in CE
I actually agree. The luster and shine effects might have helped. Really makes me think if Halo 3 followed suit with this alongside a mix of Halo 2's graphics.
Halo 2 was better
I think what most people didnt like was the fact that the promise of fighting on earth during the campaing wasn't held the way it was intended.
People expected that a major part of the campain would be on earth. But instead we only got three levels, one of which was technically a space battle.
Good point. Playing as the arbiter was also very polarising.
And that's why Halo 3 and ODST had to compensate for this.
They just padded out the installation interior Flood parts entirely too much. One of the big complaints from the first game was the Library level being too much of a slog, then Bungie goes in and doubles down on that for H2. They spent too much time making some of the least interesting areas of the game LONGER instead of providing more interesting areas/scenarios that didnt drag out so much. The game definitely needed another couple of years in the oven. By Halo 3 all of the gameplay ideas and level design concepts that they had conceived for H2 actually worked well.
Dont even get me started on the Flood spawning tactics or the inconsistency of certain weapons in certain situations.
This game couldve been shortened by half and still been great. More isnt always better when you pick the wrong things to double up on. My favorite parts of the campaign were some of the shortest. My least favorite parts were some of the longest 🤮
@@elchasqui6986 i honestly didnt care for playing as the Arbiter either when the game 1st came out. But playing it again recently i realized it had less to do with NOT playing as the Chief...and more to do with the Arbiters earlier missions being some of the blandest, least interesting parts of the campaign from a gameplay standpoint.
They just didnt give him anything interesting to do or to look at for most of the game
Which was partially intended. There would have been a few extra levels on Earth but they were cut.
The insane difficulty spike from going from easy-medium to heroic-legendary is insane.
“When you first saw Halo 2. Were you blinded by it’s majesty?”
Chad B: *”NO!”*
Lmfao
"Blinded?"
@@thomaselvidge "Paralyzed, Dumbstruck?"
@@djpendellmusic "No..."
man Halo 2 came out when I was like 5 but I had some of the best memories playing it.
I was like 6 months old lol. I remember playing 2 and 3 at my friends house when I was like 7
Halo 2 is my favorite Halo game ever, I was only 1 year old when it came out, I am now 18
Lmao same thanks to my step dad i got og xbox and it was fun asf
I was born a month before CE dropped so I guess I was 3 when halo 2 came out? I didn’t play it until third grade and by then halo 3 was out so I mostly played that. Still revisiting the game a few years ago I forgot how damn awesome it is.
It came out when I was 5 as well, but I had never even heard of Halo until Reach was about to release. I was a PlayStation 2 gamer only playing the original Star Wars Battlefronts until 2009's Christmas
If there’s one thing all the halo and destiny response has showed me it’s that Bungie fans are some of the hardest people to please on the planet
Destiny is just honestly shite tho. Yes, It's hard to please fans with recycled content for 40 bucks, what a surprise.
Star wars tho 🙄
@@MattyMatthew-m4o I enjoy destiny 😳
@@hunters9430 Yes, there's also people who enjoy Fifa and CBT.
@JanoschNr1 they're even harder to please. I say this as a star wars fan, the community is one of the most toxic environments I've ever been a part of
I felt the same way in 2004. I was 14, it was a huge difference to how it played compared to CE. Then XBL happened, and the rest was history
No difficult gameplay.
Legendary mode Sniper Jackals: are we a joke to you?
Dont forget the skulls being on legendary only or the toys required to be obtained via grenade jump
@@playaplays57 sniper jackals were the real line crosser on legendary and if not them then the brutes for sure, the way they came at you aggressively.
Hello there!
@@jackalsniper4232 your too easy compared to skirmishers from reach
@@jackalsniper4232 being headshotted while the screen is still black over and over almost ended my legendary run back in the day. you were my nemesis
"Halo Reach isn't a true Halo game."
"Halo 3 has a bland story."
"Halo 2 is a bad sequel."
Hmm. I'm sensing a pattern...
OK, sensing it too, what about ODST, 4, 5: Guardians, and Infinite? What's their take on the pattern?
I love how Chad. B didn’t say why Halo 2’s campaign was so “bad”. It makes me laugh cause all he’s doing is bitching and moaning like a little baby. If your going to say somethings bad, then at least say what you didn’t like about it. Or even better, say how this could have been fixed in your opinion. Love yo vids, sloth!
EXACTLY. "Wah wah wah, I didn't like the campaign, it was bad, halo 2 bad."
@@Techn0forlife that's all the negative reviews for halo 5 in a nutshell
Lmao
@@deathtrooper2048 what are you smoking?
Halo 5 had an awesome multiplayer in my opinion, not the best in the series, but still great. But the campaign is forgettable as hell. Campaign was too short and has characters that I didn’t care about. Chief had an emotional step-back for some reason, and blue team was misused. The rampant part of Cortana was an OK villain, but was still kinda lame. The Sky boxes were fun too look at tho.
Just like how halo CE was "boring and had bad gameplay" or how halo 3 had a "bland story" and reach "ruined multiplayer" and odst was "too expensive and had no content" bruh people complain too much nothing is perfect to them.
On god. I just wanna yell at them and say GET OVER IT lmao get your big girl or big boy panties back on and enjoy the games for what they are
Do not make relativism, some games are really trash.
We can all agree Reach had the best gameplay
@@playaplays57 I do not think so. My favorite is Halo 2 but I think Halo 3 is the better one. Reach is too zoomer and CoD for me.
@@Benjamin-dy7uz some armor abilities are meh but the gameplay is very smooth fuel rod firefight, infection, forge I mean sprint may be the only complaint but at least it drains very fast. Halo 3 has fun TDM but infection feels very clunky
Something to keep in mind is that the fact the game would be taking place on Earth was one of the major selling points in Halo 2's marketing. Since the last section of the game was cut, only two levels took place on Earth (and one in its atmosphere), so for that reason I can understand why some people would be disappointed, or at the very least feel led on by the hype.
Still waiting for the Xbox2 :(
Still waiting for Halo 3 anniversary
@@playaplays57 yup
Still waiting for xbox 720
@@MelStaub can game in 720p
@@Lycan3303
Wait, I'm pretty sure the xbone already does that
I'm leaving a comment here to support rocketsloth because comments somehow support them
Just food for thought but halo in it's entirety is such a perfect game that made a lot of people really passionate about the things they liked and when something they didn't like that someone else was super passionate about came out it just created a huge war in the community.
I was in Highschool when Halo 2 came out, and it was such a big deal to me when it was released, as it was the first time I dedicated time to actually go to a midnight release, play a tournament in CE in the hours up to its release, and having fun just hanging out with a bunch of people who were just as much into the game as I was. Granted, I did have a few misgivings about the game, even those are a bit understandable, because at that time, I never thought about the time, effort, and manpower it took to make it, I just wanted to play the game. For one, the level in the demo was never part of the game, and I greatly wanted to play it cause it was what I thought a majority of the levels would be. The graphics kinda was off in same areas of the game, and then the cliffhanger ending. Back in those days, when you know the next game wouldn't be about for about another 4 years, it felt like an eternity to know that it ended on such a sour note. But when I went and played it through the heroic and legendary difficulties, it actually felt more fun, and reading the books to read the lore ended up enhancing my perspective to the world building Bungie set in making this a living, breathing universe instead of that 'next installment of a shooter' like alot of other games tend to focus on.
A lot of the issues stem from it having a development cycle of only 11 months. It’s a miracle it’s as fantastic as it is, rather than some of the aspects of it not being as good as they could be.
master chief was too short
You know he's about 7 feet tall right?
I thought he’d be taller
@@LCM-vo1rj
"C O V E N A N T S C U M !
Your energy swords will make a fine addition to my collection."
@@rabbit8153
I can't hear that line without Palmer's voice
That halo 2 review at the beginning looks like it’s for halo 5
love the old game, hate the newer game, and middle game is debated until it becomes old enough to be "misunderstood".
Eh kinda but not really.
CE- loved by everyone at every point in time
2- campaign disliked at first, nobody liked Arbiter at the time but everyone loved multiplayer; now most people enjoy it
3- pretty much the same as CE
Reach- always has been divisive and remains so to this day
4- overwhelming hated upon launch but now most at least seem chill with it
5- pretty much 4 again except it shares Reach's divisiveness
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 So what's the scoop on ODST? I get the impression a lot of people love it, it's certainly one of my top two. I did hear that people thought it was too short for its price back in the day though.
@@RAFMnBgaming
People seemed to enjoy the story and since it's pretty much H3 gameplay nobody had a problem with it but they did say it was too expensive at the time
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 I remember liking the SOCOM Magnum/Silenced SMG a lot more than I did their equivalents in 3. Dunno why that works mechanics wise but I liked them.
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 sort of. I have a few people I know who only started on newer Halo games but when I try to play Combat Evolved multiplayer with them they hate it because of the spawn system and "broken pistol".
As a boy who grew up within the 360/PS3 era, I still owned the original Halo: CE and Halo 2, my 8 year old eyes loved this game. It will always hold a place in my heart.
Because it’s amazing.
I'm one of those gamers who loves a good boss fight, so having a boss fight with Tartarus in Halo 2 actually worked better for me than the race to escape the explosion in 1 and 3. Plus, while there were a few plotlines that weren't resolved until 3, I thought the plot with the Prophet of Regret was resolved very nicely. I also thought learning that the Covenant worshipped the "Sacred Rings" was a great explanation for why they were so aggressive when Master Chief tried to move through Halo. He was disrupting their efforts to reach the great journey.
"I didn't like the alien levels'
Hmmm...
Halo 2 is my favorite game ever, the story, the gameplay, the graphics, THE music, the glitches, to me is perfect as it is, but it's true that isn't ideal, there is something special about how everything flows.
I'm gonna be honest the graphics have actually aged a bit for me although I still love seeing the game. Like back then it was amazing but I've definitely started to notice the corners and angles and polygons more. But that said I do love the designs and aesthetics overall; the anniversary aesthetics don't do it for me.
@@ChouRaiyuki the graphics have aged a bit?? What an odd comment. The graphics have clearly aged greatly, not that there's any shame in that at all, the game did come out in 04 after all.
As for the visual art in general, I have to say, Halo 2 never quite delivered the same sense of awe and wonder that was present in the levels of CE. I always felt the environmental art was a bit bland and underwhelming, but that's just me
@@elchasqui6986 I mean a lot of Halo 2's aesthetic at least on Delta Halo was similar to what we already saw. That said though there's a few levels especially recently that I do feel still inspire awe and wonder on par with if not exceeding the original. The H2 Library's outside and the control room I think were both quite beautiful and High Charity overall being the most Covenenant architecture we'd gotten to see I think is fascinating to look at as well.
More recently I've appreciated the forerunner architectures of Sacred Icon as well. I'd argue that since H2 did end up showing more of the same it wasn't as new feeling as what we saw with HCE or say the Ark in H3 but I do think there was still a lot of awe and wonder to be found.
Aside from that though things like the weapons and returning covenant species and such all looked like better versions of their previous selves. They were a bit more detailed but were still more than recognizable. The only thing I've always complained about is that they took out variants like the Jackal helmets and the alternate curvy tank grunts but on the flip side we got some cool looking Elite variants
@@ChouRaiyuki i suppose Cortana from Halo 3 is also a great example of a really alien level too, I almost forgot about that. Also, some of the cut content from Bungie's game was in that vain - stuff like the guardian level, the forerunner tank level, and the alpha moon level etc
The glitches. You brought a tear to my eye my friend. Only the OGs know about the glitches. They were an entire community back in the day. You could play the game or break it😂
Halo 2 annivarsary is a gift from heaven
Best cutscenes of a game ever.
Y e s
Dunno why they made Miranda so old looking tho
@@Zalazaar true,she looked fit in halo 3 but not halo 2 A.Maybe it's more lore accurate idk
@@nebcyt-notenoughbraincells419 she's supposed to be like 27 iirc so doesn't look very accurate
I just played through Halo 2 for the first time around a week ago, and had a great time, not including the bullshit on higher difficulties.
Play on heroic or use the rebalanced mod (broken rn on MCC pc, have to use project cartographer)
in 2020 I beat Halo 2 for the first time (not on PC) and I remember playing it all day for 10 hours strait and after beating Halo 2 I was so exited I went strait into Halo 3 and went all the way to floodgate. But after replaying Halo CE I realized how much more I enjoyed Halo CE than Halo 2, I would prefer to play Halo CE or Halo 3 over Halo 2 but I dont hate Halo 2.
Halo is way better than both get out
@@ashyoshicharizard3949 yes
@@ElseAndrecool halo 5
@@ashyoshicharizard3949 I haven't played Halo 5 that much. I just beat the campaign and played a couple matches of 4v4
@@ElseAndrecool i have played the campaign 3 times and i can definitely say it's one of the worst games i have played
Only thing I was disappointed in was not being able to play the “old” Halo 2 that we saw from E3. Idk, but it seemed a lot more fun than what we got, but that’s just me.
New Mombasa definitely did look more fun; having Brutes show up and seeing the big turrets actually do things was cool.
Because the original scope for the game was so much more ambitious. Bungie aimed too big and had to essentially dial everything back and start from scratch. Halo 2 is really a shell of the game it was supposed to be
@@elchasqui6986 Didn't they supposedly start over completely multiple times in development?
@@ChouRaiyuki iirc jason jones basically went awol because he couldn't handle the pressure of leading the project, so they had another guy replace him really far into development. The E3 level actually crashed all the time, so it was basically unplayable anyway, hence why it never made it into the game. They also cut at least three full levels from development.
@@elchasqui6986 Real damned shame, would be neat if someone (like an ex employee or something) could upload the E3 level we saw, would be cool to play. But honestly, I feel like that might be forever deleted already.
Halo 2 is still my least favourite in the original trilogy.
I grew up playing halo 1 and 2 in elementary school, it was my favorite thing to play, and to this day, halo 2 is my favorite halo. I don't like the gandala rides, but the thing I love the most is just having fun with the game, like going outside the map, or parkouring all over the city, or throwing a sticky grenade at your friends back right after they picked up a sniper, its the little things that make the game for me
4:55 man never played it on Legendary
I played halo 2 non stop on my 20 inch tv on the floor the campaign had so many little things to do. Like finding out the skull that makes bodies move when you wack them. Finding out about the scarab gun, the soccer ball. My childhood couldn’t have gotten better.
*The cycle repeats, over and over again.*
I mean, if you play the game for the first time (especially on legendary) expecting to find a game where Chief is the only protagonist, then yeah, you’ll be disappointed. I know, because I was the same way on the first playthrough. The arbiter was something that the fans didn’t expect and it doesn’t help that despite having fewer levels than chief, it sure doesn’t feel that way playing through them.
Their complaints were largely valid, if not full of typos. Bungie admitted themselves, the graphics were screwed on cutscenes and they couldnt fix it by the time they noticed everyones eyebrows coming in late.
And they also admitted how many mistakes they made with the ending, involving having it end where it did, with who it did and on a cliffhanger. Thats the creators talking, not just those reviews
that K-Rap review gets me did he try legendary?
wow, the people of the distant past were so much like us
Huh
I remember when I was younger, halo 2 was the first halo I played (as I was born in 2002) my older cousin told me that the more you play halo 2 the buffer your online Spartan gets lol I believed it
Imagine If he said it was the more you t bag LOL
Destiny players to Bungie: FKING DONKEY
Halo players to Bungie: Oh my dear precious
From Reddit
Arbiter: *_Has a whole campaign about not succumbing to blind zealotry and space-racism._*
Dudebros and sweaty nerds: "This sign can't stop me because I can't read!"
If Bungie had the time to properly balance the game and not cut content, no doubt it would have been even more of a masterpiece. Then again, we may not have got Halo 3, so maybe it was a good thing..
I remember being slightly disappointed with the single player campaign due to it being dull with boring and repetitive level design. The multiplayer was revolutionary for it's time though.
The game is prefect. It's the godfather of video games you just have trash taste
With the complaint about XBox Live cost I think there's two factors:
* The person may not have lived in the US and their local currency had a lower value, resulting in a higher monthly cost.
* PC Multiplayer has been around for a long time and has never had an additional monthly cost associated with it. It's one of the things that I never liked about console multiplayer coming from the PC space.
K-Rap "No difficult gameplay", legendary mode would like to have a word with you
One of my earliest memories is watching my father playing halo 2 halo 3 was the first game I played
I was 21 when the game came out, and the hate for it ran much deeper. I played with a group of guys from Washington at the time, and talking online before release we were all hyped for the game just like the rest of the world. However when a leaked online and gameplay went up around August, it showed things that none of us liked! It looked like an unfinished version of the game, because key things were missing. The BR was a 3 Shot Burst all the time, which contradicted what Bungie had just shown at E3 with the Zanzibar gameplay demo. There was also no fall damage, or health packs, so that took a major dynamic out of the game. Also they hyped up these Dual SMG's so much, that the AR didnt make the cut, so every respawn left you defenseless until you picked up another dual wield weapon.
1 week before Halo 2 released these same friends from Washington got to play that leaked copy on a modded Xbox, and told me that the gameplay videos I seen were legit, and the BR was changed, no health packs, no fall damage, no Assault Rifle. They told me the Carbine felt similiar to the Pistol from Halo CE, and that the game was fun, just different, but that was of little solace. So my expectations were tempered for the Multiplayer going in. Needless to say, on launch night, I was in line, ready to go, and after finishing the Campaign over the next 2-3 days, I was completely let down. When i fell back on multiplayer with my friends online, it became obvious that BxR, and Plasma Pistol/Battle Rifle Combos were the new Power Weapons.
Out of those friends from Washington that I played with, 4 of them went on to work as testers on Halo 3, and Halo Reach, and 2 of them still work at Bungie to this day. Its crazy to see how much of a reach Halo 2 has had on the world of gaming.
Before the video starts, I'm guessing one thing will be a reason the pistol
To be honest, Halo 2 singleplayer had levels who feel incomplete and very easy to get out, when Halo 1 was more harder to break, but a simple granade jump in Halo 2 get out of the way and Legendary alone is broken.
Also, the lack of gravity consistensy in the most of the game was also a factor in the gameplay.
But story was... Interesting, but awkwardly rushed and with a cliffhanger.
I absolutely adore the first three halo games. I honestly love the story, music, worldbuilding, lore, etc. I think that each of the games have their own charm to them. Halo CE introduced us to the Master Chief, Cortana, Sargent Johnson, etc. The story was interesting and when you find the flood, it drastically changes the theme of the game from an action packed shooter, to a horror game where you must survive and blow up the ring or all of life in the universe is doomed.
Halo two added more lore to the story, introduced more characters, and a more complex storyline. The game showed the perspective of the covenant, and it helped to explain to us why they were wanting to activate the rings. I found this very interesting and playing as an Elite, The Arbiter, in fact, was mind blowing. While I do agree that the story left off on a cliffhanger, that just made me want to see the third game even more. I personally think that the cliffhanger left me personally craving more knowledge and more lore and the story. I agree it was kind of anticlimactic compared to the first game, but with the worldbuilding, the story, and the characters knowing what they had to do, I love this game, and the ending hypes me up to play the third game.
Halo three where we Finish The Fight is probably one of the most epic climaxes in gaming history. The music, the worldbuilding, the character development, all of these lead to moments with tremendous emotional value. Saving Cortana from the clutches of the Gravemind, Johnson's death, destroying 343 Guilty Spark, the Master Chief and The Arbiter driving into Forward until Dawn, and leaving the exploding ring. Arbiter making it back to Earth, and we believe Master Chief is dead, but in the epilogue we learn he and Cortana are stranded in space. However, despite the fact that he is not home, he is still alive, as are we, and We Finished the Fight.
Dude nice did you write an essay for this?
@@overclocked5422 No lol I just tend to write a lot about things that interest me. I usually have a lot of thoughts about these things so I kind of just type it all out lmao.
Now I am a dirty scrub who was born in 2006 but to be fair I have grownup around Halo and religiously boot up my 360 to play Halo 3 every week (sometimes I boot up CE). I understand how revolutionary it was at the time but for me CE and 3 will always be better. I’ve played through Sierra 117 about 10 different times over the past year and each time it’s still as fantastic as the last. For Halo 2 I thought duel wielding was cool but the level design didn’t quite hit it for me. Halo 3 starts you in a luscious green rainforest exterior showing the counter part of Halo CE where you start in a cold steely spaceship interior. Alongside that you get right into the action in both 3 and CE. In CE Chief wakes up and is rushing through these battlegrounds between these mysterious aliens and you’re human allies. In 3 it takes a bit longer but it’s almost the same. You’re gain control and immediate are given an AR and Magnum. In Halo 2 the beginning is just CE without the excitement of the battles between covenant and UNSC. Now all if this doesn’t fucking matter. I know fuck all when it comes to Halo’s deep design philosophies. But for me 3 will always be the king.
Halo 3 is better than Halo 2 for me also, contrary to what many diehard halo fans say. Halo 2 was horribly rushed and it shows. They had much more planned for Halo 2 if only fans gave them 6 more months. After playing halo 2 and killing tartarus when the game abruptly ended, I was like "is that it?!" Definitely felt shorter than Halo CE.
Halo 2 is my absolute all time favorite video game. Only gripes are just the amount of defense sections, brute melee, and sniper jackals.
The only negative I can agree with is the cliffhanger before Halo 3 was a thing, today I think it aged well
It's not that it's aged well at all, that's nonsense. It's that it isn't a cliffhanger anymore given that we know what succeeds it
I'm one of those who loved halo 2 but still disappointed at the same time when I played it at release. Didn't like the arbiter, cliffhanger was annoying.
It's just not as fun to play as CE. Cliff hanger ending + crazy difficulty.
true
but it was a good game and i had fun
plus the game followed cod style storytelling like
stay here
cut that
do this
but still i loved the game
I always had a scratch in the disc that wouldn't let me get past delta halo, so it took me years to finish and by that time halo 3 was coming out soon the cliff hanger ending actually had me hyped lol
@@randomhiphop5055 lol
Agreed
I didn't have xbl at the time, most of my fun from CE came from playing the campaign coop with my best friend. Without multiplayer halo 2 had a good story but just isn't as good as CE. I'd honestly put CE as the best in the series still.
I didn’t watched it yet but I know it’s gonna to be a good video thank you rocket sloth
Did you watch it yet?
Halo 2 is my personal favorite. It definitely felt rushed and imbalanced in certain areas but I think it has the most overall fun halo sandbox with crazy sword lunges and op battle rifle. The covenant are so much fun to fight against and some of the multiplayer maps have really weird but very fun layouts.
I remember my first time playing through as the Arbiter and I wasn't really in to the idea. My first playthrough of the game was a lot to take in from CE, and overall I enjoyed the game. Playing through with friends later, learning the Arbiters change in gameplay (invisibility) and different story, I began to realize I just didn't like the idea of playing as the Covenant. The more in depth I understood the story the more I enjoyed the game. It had become and still remains my favorite Halo as far as story goes. It's one of the few games where beating it on the highest difficulty feels like a real accomplishment.
Level design too
The only thing i dislike about HALO 2 are the more linear level design compared to HALO CE, and the Sniper Jackals
Wow people hated it?
Campaign is not fun even if story is nice
@@alex123-m8b ehh it was fun for me and speedrunning it🤷🏽♂️
@@marvinwilson1266 halo ce and 3 are so much funnier to play i could play these campaigns again and again
@@alex123-m8b Really? For me Halo 2 is so much more fun. The atmosphere is so much more full in Halo 2, I absolutely love it.
@@alex123-m8b say your opinion, even if its wrong
Halo 2, the first videogame I ever played, with split screen with my older brothers 💪💪💪
I think a good portion of the criticism was justified. If I was riding on the hype train of Chief fighting aliens on Earth with the 2002 teaser and E3 Demo, and then all I got was two earth levels and alien politics.... So yeah I'd be pretty disappointed too. But, I was too young to care then and co-op campaign, BTB, and Zombies sustained me until 2007.
That being said, Destiny's launch was my final straw for Bungie and buying games on release day haha
Man I remember playing it for the first time! The level where you get to play the arbitrator for the first time!!! Bro me and my little brother freaked because we couldn’t believe it was happening until we were actually playing him!!! I love that memory!
I just played halo 1 - 3 on the mcc and honestly, 2 is my favorite of all of them. I literally did not know people hated this what
Same lol
In a parallel universe, H2 is H5
I swear I was almost expecting to hear H5 at some point, “great MP bad SP” check, “boring gameplay” check, “A disappointment after so much hype” check, “anger against a cliffhanger” check, this really disturbs me 😐
The only thing I really did not like about Halo 2 at the time (and still somewhat in retrospect) was that SO MUCH HYPE was about Halo series going back to Earth and fighting the Covenant at home.
And it delivered on that! For like 2 levels. Maybe 3 if you count Cairo station. Then just back to another Halo ring.
And then because everyone was so bummed about it, Halo 3 basically had to go BACK to Earth AGAIN. And then because you can't end an epic space trilogy about mysterious alien artifacts at home, they have to go to an even MORE wild and crazy space artifact and then end it on the first Halo again! So it just makes you wonder why they basically had to make Halo 2 and Halo 3 so narratively matched that I to this day forget that half the stuff in Halo 2 wasn't actually in Halo 3. I could have sworn half of the stuff Arbiter did was in Halo 3 until I replayed all the games in the MCC.
So, either they should have skipped Earth entirely in H2, and saved it for a later game, or made at least a few more levels take place on Earth so that it really felt like we got to explore the planet we were trying to save.
If you took for example the Earth stuff from Halo 3 and had that all take place in Halo 2, and then fill in the gaps with the Arbiter stuff that he does; with Chiefs at the end hitching his ride on the forerunner ship that instead of going to Earth was going to Delta Halo.... and then made Halo 3 set both on Delta Halo AND then they go direct to the Ark from there, not only would Halo 2 have really satisfied everyone's fill of Earth levels, the overall story wouldn't have this ridiculous Halo -> Earth -> Halo -> Earth -UBER Halo jumping around effect.
Instead if they made it where Chief gets picked up, goes home, Halo 2 becomes the Empire of the trilogy where the Covenant really screws up everything and it seems like Earth is lost. And then Halo 3 is when they finally arrive on a new station ready and prepared to keep the alien's grubby claws off of it. Fully loaded for battle and ready to rock.
So yes Halo 2 is a good game but it was disappointing when we were promised a lot of Earth and it felt like as soon as we get there, and get our feet wet, we're off back to another Halo ring with very little buildup to the idea. They could have spent an entire game leading up to the revelation that they have found another one, but instead it happens in a few minutes. And then when the 3rd game pulls basically the exact same stunt it was like c'mon Bungie.
At least eventually we got ODST but even that was basically set in New Mombasa so really we have all of Earth and see literally like one city in the entire franchise? We end up seeing more variety of Reach than we do of Earth in the entire franchise.
Halo 2 removed eveything that made CE a classic, change my mind.
Like having the other half of the game be an exact copy of past levels? Like copy-pasting the same corridors? Like having less vehicles to interact? Like no xbox live (on console)?
Halo CE is my favorite game, but Halo 2 is the better game.
@@juanmanuelcorrea7673
-the pulp sci-fi aesthetic & atmosphere (Halo 2 went for space opera)
-the non-linear wide open spaces in some levels (Halo 2 was all corridors & arenas)
-Elites being tall, imposing, menacing, graceful, catlike & agile. (Halo 2 just made them the player, but alien)
-The Assault Rifle
-the big shiny future space pistol that was basically a cannon (try & defend the M6C without saying pistols are supposed to suck)
-The vibrant aesthetic of blue, green, grey & steel. 2 was all brown with muted colours & normal maps (yay!)
-metal being gleaming & shiny instead of dull as a rock
-materials looking like material instead of everything looking like plasticine
-the detail texture maps (lol)
-needing to use the flashlight because it's dark & that builds tension
-quiet time for you to take in the ambience, no enemies, no chatter, just take the world in. (Halo 2 seemed to either be constantly trying to push the needle to 11, or if it was quiet, make it exposition-dump time)
-not having gondolas
CE had a lot of problems, 2 did a lot of things better. But a lot of what CE achieved, 2 failed to match up to.
@@InnuendoXP
-non-linearity in some levels? You mean in only ONE level that is Halo. The rest are as linear as any Halo 2 level.
-Pulp sci-fi asthethic and atmosphere? The fuck? Halo 2 isn't a space opera, and even if it was, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
-Detail texture maps... Definitely LOL in that one.
-Halo CE has "The Library"😂😂😂
-Elites suck in Halo 2, I'll give you that.
-the assault rifle sucks. It sucks in single player, it sucked in Custom Edition. Battle rifle is objectively better, you can't deny that. Plus Halo 2 had far more interesting new weapons like energy sword, carbine, fuel rod was actually useable.
-Muted colors? Uh, what? Talk about muted colors in a level like Arbiter.
-Halo 2 had a big ass crunch, but it didn't stop them from making at least more than 1 big open levels, and actually different levels, not half the game be the exact same copy of the first levels. Quarantine Zone, Delta Halo, Metropolis. They're not extremely big, but considering the development hell, it's quite decent. I would so much rather have small maps than having to replay Assault in the Control Room, T&R and PoA all over again with some small twists.
-Materials looking like materials? Dude you're just pulling this random shit out of your ass.
-The flashlight. Interesting. The only level where you really needed to use the flashlight was 343 Guilty Spark. Halo 2 also had a similar level: High Charity.
-metal being shiny. My dude, lighting in Halo CE sucks. You can't see metal being shiny in Halo CE. Most of your points is just ridiculous.
-Quiet time for you to take in ambience? Oh so like the beginning of Uprising?
-Halo 2 had Marty's best work.
-Halo 2 has the best story out of all Halos. It was a lot more cinematic, it expanded on the Covenant and Flood. Levels had far more details than CE. It had dual-weilding. And it gave Halo online playability. Halo CE is still my favorite game. But again, you simply can't deny Halo 2 is the better game.
The only thing Halo 2 failed to match up was the overuse of tight corridors, and that was 100% due to crunch time and having their project discarded months before official launch.
@@juanmanuelcorrea7673 Personally I thought the elites in H2 were the best in the series. They looked like the HCE Elites except more detailed and better. About the only thing that was worse was the removal of forrunner symbols on the backs of the special elites.
@@ChouRaiyuki I think Clement says H2 Elites are worse because their AI got nerfed to death. Elites in CE flinch, dodge nades, dodge bullets and have better accuracy, which is fairly true. Elites in H2 look better, but they're a joke compared to CE's elites. Those CE elites were scary af.
I wish Halo 2 had more development time... They could have made it EVEN BETTER THAN IT ALREADY IS!!!! It would have been the best game ever created and no one could argue with that. It is my personal favorite to this day. I just wish that the had more time to get rid of those filler stuff and make more stuff that tells story and is super fun and ain't filler.
Arby is better than chief BTW... I loved how you ended with the Arbiter. Truly an amazing game.
I love your content like this Rocket Sloth... Keep up the good work
(I hope I finally get a heart on this....)
Best game ever.
7:29
you're acting like halo/xbox live invented online multiplayer. it might have been you're first experience with online multiplayer but its been around since 1996 on pc and it has been free since 1996.
I would also argue that unreal tournament as a franchise while being less well known then halo is more innovative as I believe it popularized non death match game modes like king of the hill and capture the flag. its engine is also very influential (unreal engine du)
I can defiantly understand a PC player being salty about being asked to pay for online multiplayer in the form of xbox live when they had access to free online multiplayer since quake. pc players still kind of have it good when it comes to multiplayer because we have steam witch from my knowledge seems far better then xbox live and is free.
The Prophets would declare heresy for anyone that opposed Halo 2.
Here's what I hate about Halo 2: I hate how my cousins' disc was scratched so we couldn't get to the part to punch the prophet to death.
If you ever play it on mcc use the "Prophet Birthday Party" skull and punch him to 11
Bless you for these windows to the past
Halo 2 day 1 multiplayer was not good. It took a number of patches before the game found it stride and became what everyone remembers.
Halo 2 was a bit like the No man's sky of it's day. It promised a lot more than it delivered and with a sequel baiting cliffhanger ending. It made me lose alot of interest in the series.
Halo 2 was very unpolished and unbalanced, with lots of bullet sponges, insta-death enemies, the levels were pretty linear, and the story was rushed.
Bungie themselves called it “The greatest failure to ever succeed”
I will get flack for this, but as a long time Halo fan I think Halo 4 > Halo 2
Back then, I was disappointed by the campaign, although I absolutely adored the gameplay and multiplayer. Nowadays I also enjoy the campaign and like to play it from time to time.
But as I was 17 at the release time, I was kind of simple minded. I expected me as MC vs evil covenant. And boy did I dislike to play as the arbiter. I'm not proud of it, but then, I wanted to not play the campaign, but did it anyway, because I paid for the game. I was like a defiant child. I played all the arbiter missions with a "let's just get through this shit, and I won't enjoy it". I would groan everytime I died, because it meant, that I had to play longer as the arbiter. Today I can just roll my eyes at my behaviour.
Also the fight with Tartarus didn't feel like an Endboss to me. So when I heard the phrase "I'm going to finish the fight" I got super hyped. Like "finally, I got through the tedious part, I can't wait to free earth as the master chief!!!" And then the game ended. I was sooo pissed back then. For me it literally felt like I forced me through this campaign, and I don't even get a satisfying finale.
Today, I can see the way the arbiter missions add to the narrative, whithout forcing exposition on you.
Interestingly, when MCC came out, I talked about the H2 campaign with my friends. Those 3 guys, that played hundreds of H2 multiplayer. And they all three said :"I wouldn't know, I never played the campaign"
I was befuddled to say the least
You know, I first played Halo 2 in August of 2020. I love the story, dialogue, music, and cinematics, but just the switch between Arbiter and Chief wasn’t for me... Not that it wasn’t great, I just didn’t like it. I also thought the ending was too abrupt, but overall, Halo 2 is a great game. There were just things in Halo 2 that didn’t appeal to me. That doesn’t make it a bad game.
I love Halo 2 but even now the Arbiter levels still don’t jive with me. From a story standpoint it’s actually really intriguing to have a parallel story, and in retrospect I appreciate Bungie having the guts to go that route. But at the end of the day you’re really booting up the Halo franchise to play as Master Chief, and the Arbiter sections feel like a slog.
@@MrSoopSA Agreed. That’s a great way of putting that
Every Halo game was universally hated at launch except Halo CE
This is very true. Fans forget that Halo 3 was regarded as the black sheep, until it became the fan favorite. At the time of its release, fans said the campaign wasn't as good as Combat Evolved, and the multiplayer wasn't as good as Halo 2's. Now it's regarded as the best Halo game. Funny how that works.
Lol fr even 343 games, many bungielovers deny it, but even H4 & 5 are getting that pattern, H4 history is now a masterpiece in halo games, and H5 MP is one of the best for many fans, I wonder if this pattern will break with HI...maybe not
Halo 2 is the repetitive game? When Halo 1 literally has you going through MULTIPLE previous levels, backwards? I can't understand such criticism.
I fricken love this game. Hating it is like hating the Mona Lisa.
I hate the Mona Lisa lol
@@tonyboloni8702 I love halo 2 tho
@@Drift4x me too.
The problem I had with the game was playing as the enemy. You couldn't determine quickly whether or not you were targeting a friend or foe and it ruined the experience.
Your blind
I was there when Halo 2 launched and at the time I was in the camp that thought it was absolutely amazing. I loved the single player and put countless hours into the multiplayer both on Xbox Live and at LAN parties. Sure, it wasn't perfect but no game is. At the time the people I were around who didn't like it mostly didn't like the changes to the weapons and balancing. They would talk about how they nerfed the pistol and how the SMGs have recoil like it ruined the game all while not even bothering to learn how to use the BR or learn any of the other new mechanics in the game. The rest were PC gamers who just didn't like that the game was popular and mostly invented reasons to hate it.
These days I still love Halo 2 and regularly play through the campaign but I do notice its flaws more than I used to. Overall, the game is still awesome and the hype for it back in the day was well worth it. You just had to be there.
If you want to discus how in depth halo 2s story, I would discuss how the arbiters story is about the destructive nature of blind faith, and talk about how the characters such as the heretic leader and tartarus are parallels of the arbiter. The heretic leader shows what the arbiter would be like if he wasn't blindly following the people that disavowed their greatest general and shamed him for something out of their control. Tartarus (probably the most relatable villain in halo) blindly following the prophets, but because he he built his entire life around his beliefs, was unable to accept the truth even when told to him by his god, and essentially through a tantrum and self destructed. It's even more profound when you realize that despite being betrayed by tartarus and nearly killed by him, the arbiter doesn't want to fight him.
That's not even considering how the arbiter has to literally be forced to speak to his 2 greatest enemies and one of his dead prophets after being betrayed by them to realize "hey this relationship is toxic" and he doesn't truthfully accept the situation until he is told by half jaw that his old leaders are trying to genocid his race.
He also goes from being the "greatest single threat to humanity" to working alongside johnson and keys to prevent what he used to see as the rapture/his path to a perfect existence.
The reason I feel this is hard for people to acknowledge this game as being great and why they hate halo 4/5 (and will likely hate infinite) is because the chiefs campaigns was about being a vessel for the player to experience the world for themselves instead of telling a real story as the protagonist. most people coming to the series expecting that, the reason reach and odst and wars/wars2 are such highly regarded for the same storytelling is because we don't go there expecting to play as the same master chief from halo ce who just exist in this world like us.
Anyone else remember when you hit loading points in halo 2 on the og Xbox how outlines of the scenery would stay on your screen like at 8:12 ??
I wish I knew what this magic was I'm MCC player
@@playaplays57 No you don't, that bug happened constantly and it sucked.
@@JustinQuinn623 oh
That's a 360 bug. It never happened on the original Xbox.
Halo 2 was the FIRST game designed for multiplayer on XBOX LIVE and it's the game I had the most fun with multiplayer wise. TOWER of POWER. LOOKOUT... good memories
Imagine playing a shooter and getting upset when all you do is point and shoot...
I didn't like Halo 2 because dual-wielding is dumb. They just made every gun super weak unless you held 2 of them.
I love the story, not the multiplayer actually.
Fax. Ce multiplayer and god forgive me halo 5 multiplayer were the best to me
Obviously people hated it at some time because they just hated the skill in the campaign.
Oh Wait...
Legendary is a thing.
i truly love halo 2. i started halo in 2010 and halo 2 wa s always my fav, I simply don't understand why people hate it. the only reason it had to be rushed and have such a dev crunch was that if it was better humanity couldn't handle its beauty.
People don't hate it. This video just exaggerates some obscure comments about it.
Dude people hating on Halo 2 back in 2004 is an overwhelmingly extreme minority...
I never met a single person who didn’t like Halo 2
I can maybe understand the idea that Halo 2 has a bit of filler, but compared to Halo CE, it wasn't much better. Out of the 10 levels, 3 take place in the same area as another, but with some changes to the structure or objective. I'd give a pass to the first and last level, but the end of Truth and Reconciliation is the same as Keyes. Two Betrayals is just Assault on the Control Room backwards. Personally I did not see an issue with this, but if you have to be nitpicky with one, you have to do so with the other.
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My biggest issue with halo 2
the EA trailer. just... devastating.
Like, that trailer back in 2000's was... whoa.
nothing else came close..
and then what we got... felt like Christmas was canceled
Feels weird this game is the 16 years old, it can legally drink in my country
What country?
7:46 I legitimately forgot that MC gets new armor at the beginning of Halo 2, so I find it funny that *that* would be someone's main problem with the game.