Warhammer’s Lost Snakemen | GW Genealogy
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- In the 80's Games Workshop toyed with plenty of ideas for new races and whilst some like the Skaven stuck, plenty like the Fimir didn't. But what became of the Chaos Snakemen range sculpted by Chaz Elliot, and why didn't they get any official lore? And did GW ever embrace other serpentine slitherers over the years?
Correction: I mistakenly claim that the demon inhabiting the Blade of Laer was Lucius the Eternal when in fact that is a very different character!
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:05 Citadel Compendiums
02:10 Chaz Elliot
03:55 The Slithering Five
05:14 Monstrous Arcanum and Snakepeople of the Old World Unite!
08:12 40K Snake Xenos
09:25 Blood Bowl Snakes!
10:34 An Alternative Idea
Other Sources:
Collecting Citadel Minis Wiki - www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com
Lost Minis Wiki - www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki
Stuff of Legends - www.solegends.com
Warhammer Community - www.warhammer-community.com
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Lucius the Eternal is not the demon but a very different Emperors children character
Yeah, I was wondering if I’d missed some weird time travel shenanigans later in the Heresy novels/novellas/audio dramas.
You are quite right! I’m not sure how that mistake got past me, I will pin your correction and add a note to the description
@@jordansorcery No worries that happens, keep up the nice work :)
@@jordansorcery good work sir.
You technically forgot the Medusa from Fantasy, but I get the ommission, seeing that you did include the Daughters of Khaine.
Love your content! I'm glad that someone is making videos about the history of these old minis.
Great call, sorry I missed her! I’m glad you enjoying the content though, even despite the occasional ‘elven’ omission!
'Dwarf Slicer' has to be one of the best titles I've ever heard. I really love the Realms of Chaos era when it comes to old Citadel stuff.
Right?! Such an absurdly evocative and over the top name, I love it
When I was painting at the Low Pavement studio 1987-89 the Chaos Snakemen had already been consigned to the past. Fimir were still a thing and around (briefly) and I painted a few sculpts for adverts in White Dwarf but never got to see any Snakeman in the studio. All of the sculpts in your video from 3.11-3.35 are mostly from the 87-88 period and after the Snakeman period and I was part of the team who painted them. I knew of Snakemen as I had some in my own collection from before I started painting at the studio but when I asked if they would surface again no one in the studio would talk about them and it was accepted that they were no longer part of the Warhammer Fantasy world. It was nice to see Tim Prow pay homage to them with Diehard Miniatures. All the best, Darren Matthews
Thanks for sharing this, Darren. I was definitely a bit loose there with the timeline and my image choice, tbh I just wanted an excuse to show off the amazing work you and the Eavy Metal team did with those chaos warriors. Exceptional stuff!
@@jordansorcery It was a long time ago but good memories of that time and the very limited palate of paints we had and the anarchy of the painting studio back then :)
This is the kind of old cool Warhammer content I need in my life.
I’m glad you enjoyed it!
The snake puns made me chuckle.
All as it ssshould be
The dad jokes are almost overwhelming in this one :)
It’s my gift, and my curse
One of the races you mentioned in the caption, the Fimir is one of my favorite fantasy races ever. I was pretty disappointed when the new HeroQuest edition had swapped em with more Deep One looking fishmen due to copyright issues. Magic cyclopean lizardmen forever! In the lore they were the favorites of the Chaos Gods before they tossed them aside in favor of "more amusing" races such as the humans.
The Fimir only reproduced by kidnapping and forcibly impregnating other races so copyright issues aside that is probably why the nice by comparison fishmen where asked to replace them
I love the Fimir minis (and talk briefly about them in my forthcoming HeroQuest video), but yeah that unfortunate bit of background borrowed from early folklore probably made them more trouble than they’re worth!
Have you read the 'codex Firmir' produced by the team at Warpstone magazine? They fully developed the race for WFRP. It was amazing stuff.
@@angelicdespot2735 Hadn't heard of it! I'll check it out now , thanks!
@@dmeep That's wild, I never saw that when I read about em.
I love your series of Warhammer history videos. Takes me back!! Thank you for these. In reference to other Warhammer Snakemen, there are two kinds of Snakemen in the Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader RP game that was published by Fantasy Flight. There were the Guardians of the Vault in the second part of the Warpstorm Trilogy Campaign ('The Vault of Secrets') for Rogue Trader - these, along with their boss The Archivist, were serpentine swordsmen (though the Archivist was female) of great skill and lethality. They were sinister and awesome and killed some important PCs and their mates. Additionally, there was a race of snakemen listed in the Koronus Bestiary (sort of a Monster Manual for rogue Trader) - they were called Sslyth (I think) and were actually kind of a neutral mercenary force, often employed by the Dark Eldar - they had four arms and wielded lots of guns and blades. Also very cool.
Now that I watch the end of the video, I see the Sslyth here - my bad - should pay more attention. Just got a tad excited is all :) But the Vault Guardians and the Archivist references still stand as a new addition here :)
Thanks for sharing this, really interesting stuff. I’m intrigued by these guardians, might have to take a deeper look at those guys!
When I saw the Amazons Blood Bowl team I thaught that it was a different Seraphon/Lizardmen species but now I know what they truly are, thanks.
Dechala the Denied One.
High Elf Princess corrupted by Slaanesh. Had a model in WFB 5th Ed (I think).
Came here to say just this.
Incredible pull, another one of Slaanesh’s coterie of snake pals!
Love these deep dives into old warhammer. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Plenty more on the way!
I really love your videos, your ability to dive into the history of Warhammer and Games Workshop is amazing! keep doing what you do! Sending a Yeehaw from Texas!
Thank you for this! Yeehaw gratefully received!
I believe there was a snakeman team in Blood Bowl, the Kureshi Kobras. Also there's a snakeman antagonist in a short story in the WFRP 1st edition rulebook iirc.
Love these vids about the more obscure corners of Warhammer lore.
Oh I missed those, will have to seek them out!
Good channel. Brings back lots of memories. I realised have 3 of the original 5 Citadel snake men miniatures.
Thank you, I'm glad it is get those memories flowing! I'm jealous, they are really nice models!
It's funny - I have an old 5th edition Lizardmen army from when I was a kid that I'm fixing up, but since I can't use them in Age of Sigmar (I'd feel a bit silly playing with such old models) the main thing I'm planning to use them for someday is... Snakemen in Warlords of Erehwon. I didn't expect I'd be hearkening back to even _older_ Oldhammer!
One of the best things about AoS, for me, is that it can accommodate every mini from every fantasy era because it’s so big and weird a world! But I get not always wanting to mix those eras too. And in my experience there’s always an older old hammer just out of view!
You will be able to use them in warhammer: the old world when gw release it, which could be this year, we will know if that's the case at warhammer fest probably.
A friend of mine had some of the old snakemen models..they were on the old hex bases ..only time I ever saw them in real life.
Oh wow, now that is old school cool!
RIP Bryan Ansell.
Hisstory… nice!
I had to do it!
Loved the punss, the Lovecraft one made me laugh. Snakemen are one of those brief flash in the pan moments I wish would return with greater numbers and exploit my pocket, even a Warcry box would be excellent. That Blood Bowl one has been tempting me for awhile. The Diehard minis are fantastic and no necromancer should be without a skeletal snakeman.
They’re such a fun creepy idea, and there’s some deep roots in fantasy fiction, so I’m really surprised they’ve not been tried again properly by GW. I do like that one Sslyth mini they did though. Warcry is a great shout, that or even Underworlds would be perfect!
@@jordansorcery more Sslyth are needed, a plastic gang of five with every weapon option to make an Archon envious. Then for fun, recreate that hiveworld cine classic.. Snakemen on a Space Hulk.
"we all remember slime arm" erm do we?
Surely everyone has a slime arm story!
Another excellent video Jordan, I look forward to seeing your channel grow in the future
Thanks so much!
Hey! Loving your channel! Really cool stuff. I've been sharing it around to a lot of folks, including a number of other youtube creators in the warhammer community. Great to see this sort of content!
Thanks so much, really appreciate you spreading the word!
Not Games Workshop mind you, but I once saw a model of what looked like a suit of power armor that had a serpentine lower half for locomotion. The picture was in an addition of "Hobby Japan." I have no idea what show it was from. Palladium used this idea for an armor suit for its "Rifts" universe. I think it was on sale in the markets of Atlantis.
That sounds pretty cool tbf! Been a while since I heard Palladium mentioned - I inherited the massive old books many moons ago and they were like school economics text books!
@@jordansorcery The armor is called "Kittani Manling Power Armor" in Rifts. It is found in "Atlantis, Rifts World Book Two." There's a picture of it on page 7, and information on it on page 143.
I wish I knew what anime program it is from. The model looks a lot better than the drawing.
Not sure how I wasn't subscribed but I am now!
Took you up on your suggestion of videos outside of dungeon crawlers and here I am!
Pleased to hear it!
Only recently discovered your channel and loving its quality and depth.
I’m glad you found me, thanks for the comment!
Makes you reflect on whether we’ll get a new Xenos race at some point … Sslyth would be pretty cool tbf …
That would be very cool to see. I’m always hoping they add more xenos races for Tau, but a band of Sslyth pirates would be amazing!
Would be perfect for Killteam or to throw into Necromunda - those small scale skirmish games are great for a single box faction plus a couple of characters, maybe a vehicle.
And if they are popular they can always be expanded into a full faction later on.
Sslyth mercenaries / pirates being a standslone faction for the smaller games, but remaining a sub-faction the Dark Eldar can "hire" (as more than just a single Bodyguard in the Archons Court) seems like such an easy way to expand the lore / Xenos races of the 40k setting that you have to wonder why it's not been done.
Same as the Tau - perfectly set up for introducing new races.
Nice video! If there is a possibility i would love to see you dissect the story about Kaleb Daark! The comic and other related stuff was something i drooled over like a rabid Skaven in the 80´s
That’s a very fun suggestion! And funny you mention Skaven as our friend Mr. Dark turns up in another video I’m working on…
@@jordansorcery Ohh sweet! I am intrigued. :)
there's a nurglin peaking next to a box behind the bookase...👀
Every time I almost catch him he manages to slip away!
Hissstory... oh thats hurt! :D btw great vid!
My pleasssure!
Blood Bowl Snake Sanders.
Great video!
Thank you, appreciate the kind words!
Really just to add to what Jacob Turner said, Snakemen were one of the particularly prominent and atmospheric villains in the Fighting Fantasy universe. I believe that they inhabited the deserts of the south of Allansia and were rivals to the Lizardmen. Thus puts them undeniably in within the rubric of Games Workshop, but outwith of the Warhammer universe.
It's a really good point - they definitely became a more important part of the FF world. Though I'm sure that wouldn't have stopped Bryan Ansell making them a main line Warhammer faction if they'd sold well!
Yes, that was probably the deciding factor. And whilst it is easy to be a bit sniffy about this approach, he did have a business to run. Many a hobby oriented business has failed due to the founders pursuing their own little obsession with no regard for market demand.
Btw, kind of Snake people in AoS made a return in form of Daughters of Khaine, Morathi and the Blood Stalkers / Blood Sisters & Melusai Ironscale. Where were also the Troglodytes (last seen in 3rd edition Armybook of Lizardmen) which where bulkier Lizardmen not worshipping the Old Ones and cave dwelling in the oldworld if I remember correctly.
I think I remember the Troglodytes from way back, good suggestion - I wonder if they’ve got any lore closely tied to snakes or snake people
Very cool!
Thank you!
I love your Video mr Sorcery!
I’m very glad, thank you for the comment!
More of these background vid please.
You bet!
Splintered fang band from warcry hase snake theme and leader gets snake tail 😂
The name’s no doubt inspired by that last OG snakeman
I always wondered why Fulgrim ascended was a snake demon, but now i do, its almost like a slap in the face from slaanesh for exterminating his worshipers by turning him into one!!! 🤔😊
I think that Lucius the Eternal is the champion that wields the Laer Blade in the 41st millennium, when Fulgrim had it in the 31st a greater daemon was bound to the blade.
I’m not sure how I made that mistake! Would love to blame the chaos gods for tricking me, but I think I just misread a wiki!
The third Citadel Compendium is from 1986, not 1987. Nice video!
You have to drop a like for the sssssnake jokes alone :P
Very much appreciated, thanksss!
Instant ‘like’ for “hisssstory”
Shame they were dropped - they were one of the main chaos races in the Fighting Fantasy universe which were probably the inspiration.
That’s a very good shout! I can’t remember if there were any Snakemen in it, but every now and again I give Island of the Lizard King another go, and inevitably die on the first beach
Death trap dungeon is still my favourite FF book and probably what sold me on Heroquest when it came out!
Have you checked out the Khuresh Fan Project on World Anvil?
I’ve not, is it a world building project?
@@jordansorcery yes. It’s in World Anvil.
=]D
Well this is news to me. And what fishmen? I do know of the fimir which was a dumb choice to get rid of considering the topics it already included in lore: sexual content, murder, torture, body horror, grissly fetishes, violence, betrayal... It's grim dark, let's not pretend everyone is playing nice in the reproductive aspects.
GW did a lot of adding and removing to their IP. As if nobody had a solid idea what they wanted. Then they ended everything so they could rename everything. I lost interest when they actually ended the End Times.
"Hisstory" unsubcribed and blocked, can't believe you'd SHED your decency for such a joke
You’ve done the right thing
Killer channel name.
Thank you!