Patton vs Extreme vs V14: Which EUC is the Best? SPECIAL with Johnny Go Vroom
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- In this video, I have an in-depth discussion about the best 18 inch EUC - the Veteran Patton, Inmotion V14, and Begode Extreme with special guest @johnnygovroom! We rode the street, the trails, and even some jumps together, then sat down to discuss our thoughts on each and compared everything side by side. Sorry Extreme Bull Commander Mini fans, we didn't have access to that EUC so we couldn't bring that into the comparison.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
00:59 - Build Quality and Durability
04:40 - Suspension
10:19 - Power
19:01 - Lighting
25:23 - Waterproofing
28:29 - Top Speed and Torque
31:24 - Extra Features
37:16 - Value, Voltage Sag, and Batteries
45:15 - Final Conclusions
51:41 - V14 Update and Outro - Auta a dopravní prostředky
This is peak euc content. You should have more segment experienced guests.
Thanks for such a high compliment 😁
I agree with you Rob. The turn signals are a complete gimmick given their current implementation
1 thousand percent.
Turn signals have no place at all in euc, as they implementation could only be realized when user press them before turning
@@milordas exactly. Until then they are useless
@@milordas You're correct. The only way to achieve the indented effect would be user controlled turn signals
Nice work gents! I'd be interested in seeing a version of this with the 20 inch wheels. I know, that's hella expensive, but if you did, I'd be all ears!
I'd love to do that, and I know Johnny would also! Problem is that I live in NC and he is in FL, so meeting up is infrequent and always a challenge. I'd love to do this for the Max and Lynx. I hope to have both at the same time to do a head-to-head comparison, and if I do, I guarantee I'll make a video about it!
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Both of you are awesome review authors. You have confirmed my choice for my next review with your in depth and objective opinions based on your professional experience on a variety of wheels. I know it’s close to impossible to include all current wheels in category but since I have a preorder on the V14 this was very helpful to me and I appreciate that. I have the V12HT,V13,and an MTEN4 but am not afraid to venture in to purchasing any brand based on the wheel that fits my riding expectations. Since I am primarily a trail rider the V13 was a very poor choice for me and I wish I had a review like this to guide me then but hats off to you gentlemen. Thank you.
For what it’s worth, the “waterproofing” on the extreme is only about the controller. First time you get it muddy and have to hose it clean, you better cross your fingers!
The “seals” on the motor are tiny, thin and poorly fitting. Additionally the suspension components turn to poop once you get some dirt and water in them.
I’m speaking from experience as I currently have my extreme completely disassembled to replace the motor bearings & build proper weather seals. I’m also working on the suspension sliders as they are pretty scratched up.
I’m actually pretty disappointed with the build quality for something they brand as “extreme”, specially considering I have only 350klms on it!
Yeah the bearing is not "extremely" waterproof sadly. I am rather careful about that when applying water anywhere near my bearings. I don't ride in any rain no matter what, if I can help it, on the extreme.
Both Extreme and V14 need FastAce type suspension in addition to the linkage suspension but they decided to screw up their sales figures instead with incremental improvements. Dual suspension would allow for a plush feel on-road and tight grip off-road. Dual-use/dual action/dual zones would allow for more control on various surfaces, and thereby eliminate the need for duplicate wheels.
This is the awesome, in depth technical and thoughtful analysis videos we need more of. Sure it takes a lot more time to film and produce but man is it a breath of fresh air from the more fluff, influencer, b roll and excitement optimised videos.
Probably the reason why the commander mini doesn't get any love or attention is because this is this third or more comparison that just completely ignores it.
Trust me, if we had one available to compare, we would have.
@@WheelGoodTime it's really great sentiment but you are one of the biggest voices presenting these devices to the outside world. I bought the mini over the extreme based on recommendations from people like you.
I love Johnny's elaborate description of the suspension of each wheel and optimal use cases for each. It's invaluable for potential buyers that don't have a chance to test drive these.
Wonderful review guys! 👏
Excellent content - Ill buy the V14 because I trust Inmotion more.
Love hearing about the wheels. You bring up stuff I wouldnt consider on my own.
Super guys, you both contribute great value to the conversations, and I enjoy the different perspectives from a safety standpoint and both your practical perspectives. Great to disagree sometimes, it makes for a genuine video, and clearly, you both know what you're talking about.
Totally awesome review.
I'm new to EUC's but that UL 2849 certification seems to be a massive draw card. Would make me feel a bit better with charging or storing your wheel inside the house/garage all the time.
Let’s go Johnny VROOOOOMMMMM! Great video guys!
Thanks for this review, I know what I'm getting now
I heard the plastic concerns when I bought the S20 (later s22) so I bought a bunch of extra plastic components 1-2 of each.. so far after 1 and a half year albeit I have not been riding the wheel the whole time. only things I had to replace is the motor due to the knocking and the handle.. but so far none of the plastic is broken yet, though one pad fell off during my volcanotrip but I could put it back on just fine.
I live on a island so always good to own more spare parts.
Good topic! Me just considering which to buy,
I am looking now. My decision is between the V14, Extreme or Master V4. Not planning to do much street riding. Like the idea of the bigger wheel on the Master, but leaning towards the V14.
The extreme will start beeping at 52mph with a 200 lb rider in race mode. It also just released new firmware that lets you choose how much field weakening you want. Which is terrifying as well as exciting. So you can basically pick where your power band is. I’m not going to be the test dummy on that feature though. Im sure someone is going to crank up the weakening to try and get a new high speed.
That is terrifying indeed. My 50e version was just updated to the new firmware minutes ago and is in race mode. Where do I find the field weakening selection?
Exciting to hear. I have 50S batteries and the extreme, but I don't have enough roads.
@@WheelGoodTime Is 50e enough for you? Is sag even an issue?
@@Dave-cf4vd sag is definitely an issue when riding at high speed on the Extreme - but it's a much bigger issue when the battery state is lower. 50S batteries really come into their own at low battery states because they have noticeably lower voltage sag. I personally would always choose 50S batteries every time for a high performance EUC, even if it costs a bit more.
Old topic ronin was riding in ny in cold weather and roger was in sunny cali. Lithium is effected by weather. Thus u know experiences domvary.
Lots of good comparative data. However, kind of hard to compare 3 wheels in this completely unscientific manner when there can be so may variables with pads and settings for shocks and software. In my experience it takes a lot of trail riding to tune in a suspension and wheel just the right way for the right terrain. You can make a wheel feel completely different by changing a couple things and peoples personal wheels are dialed for them for the terrain they favor. I still appreciate the intel. Of these I have an extreme and have had 3 different shocks on it now with 4 different coils. I have tried a Patton and haven't had a chance to try to Adventure yet. The Patton I really haven't had a chance to really test it and just rode it momentarily. But my friend who has had some issues and it's not the easiest to tear down from what I understand. So it would be good to compare how easy or difficult it would be to perform maintenence or do a tire swap.
Is there any significant height/bulk difference between the 3? Got my extreme last week and was shocked by tall and wide it was with stock pads!
I noticed virtually no difference in width between them all - it's fairly minimal if you ask me. I 100% recommend a Grizzla fairing system and pads to increase ride comfort. But I have to admit that it does increase height - but that helps with seated riding a ton. Personally, I love it that way 🙂
I would love to know what would come up on top for longevity.
Hey guys, great review , tested the v14 at erides ( afeez) Brighton uk ) awesome wheel can't wait to take delivery, but mine will have VCF power pads fitted which will give me ultimate control over power..
But looking at the extreme, I would love to give that a go!!!@
Keep up the great videos, guys 👍👍👍👍
Cool video. It’s awesome that he referred to you as his beautiful person at the end. We will expect a V day update.
Lol he meant he had to cook for his fiancee, not me 😂
I'll save money and get the v15 when it releases xd.
I am learning how to ride Begode Extreme decently. So far, it seems pretty legit. All in all, I'm pleased to see the velocity of EUC progress.
Me too! 😄
It's funny, I ended up switching my order over to the Lynx instead of the V14. Much more money, but all of the amazing reviews for it sold me. I can tell I'd really still like to try the V14 at some point though. I feel like it might be especially fun for jumps and tight circuit stuff. I'm not there yet with my riding and that's a pretty niche part of most people's riding anyway, so the Lynx makes more sense to me overall. That said, the V14 is making my wallet nervous, lol! I don't need to be buying a $4k Lynx and then buy a $3k V14 6 months to a year later... I'm worried it could happen, ha! I know they're in different categories, but how would you compare the Lynx with the V14 now that it has the updates/improvements?
I don't have a lynx to compare yet, but I will soon 😊
@@WheelGoodTime I look forward to the review!
Biased Commander Mini owner here. I get you dont have one nearby but the only thing any of these these wheels have on the mini is suspension and even that can be debated.
And waterproofing! 😉
I mean, grizzla comes out with fairings and stuff for these wheels because you and other big CZcamsrs have them in the foreground meanwhile there is no coverage for the mini.. and the mini gets no love from these companies. Boggles me that every single mini rider I've seen has had nothing but praises however it's been suppressed so much that no one makes specific parts for it, no one covers it, etc.
Great review, which leads to better EUCs
I wish you were talking about charging time and the possibility of safe fast charging the Patton. I think Patton doesn’t have smart BMS (correct me if I’m wrong).
hope it will receive in any war smart bms, then it would be perfect
23:30 I feel like turn signals on a wheel are almost useless unless you are able to control the turn signal before making the turn. They need to make some kind of hand clicker device (like they make for horns) so that the turn signals can be manually activated by the rider. And also, the turn signals need to be wider apart than what you see on the extreme for it to be effective.
That's a product that is on its way from Pidzoom 🙂 currently under development
About motor power... do you know, motor does not have real power, it have torque and it gives as much power as controller and batteries is able to give. In this 3 wheels case, only batteries type and controller software is matter. LG50LT as in V14 (i suppose) have much vorse characteristic as Samsung 50e in terms of useable temperatures, but have more Amperage output. As i remember LG gives maximum power only on outside temperatures in 15-25c degree range.
Sine and square wave🤓🤓 Synth nerd here laughing at that comparison thats aweaome! Looking at getting a euc want to get something very good i feel like ive watched a million videos and still can't pick. Budgets not an issue i just wanna go full BORE. Seems like The Veteran Lynx is the way to go??
The Lynx is a safe pick, with some caveats. It truly is the best of the best, from what everyone is saying (mine will be here soon). Remember that when learning, you will beat up your wheel quite a bit, so as long as you are comfortable with that, then I say go for it. The bigger/heavier the EUC, the longer and harder it'll be to learn on. But as long as you have the endurance and patience, then more power to you!
@@WheelGoodTime Sweet, That's what I've been seeing also it looks nuts, Niiiiiice duuuude congrats! stoked to see you what you guys say about it👌 Appreciate the heads up on that definitely willing too! gear and all ofcourse 🙏Got bored with my One wheel Gt quick. I got it in June 2023 already hit over 1,800 miles on it, Price of a GTS vs what these can do🤷♂️
I was looking at the V13 or 14 also What's your thoughts in those? I was leaning towards these since in this video you guys mentions they are the only ones XPS certified?? Because I definitely want to rip through the rain and snow with no worries. So hard to pick🤣
Subbed btw🤘👽🤘
The V13 is almost exclusively made for road riding, and higher speeds are where the V13 shines because of its larger wheel diameter. As a beginner EUC rider, I think you may regret getting over of the biggest EUCs in the world without trying every flavor of EUC riding available to you. Let me put it this way: I use my extreme more than my master pro because it's suitable for nearly everything you want to throw at it. I don't commute to work at 45 mph on it like I do on my Master Pro, but I can keep up with traffic no problem going 35 on the extreme. The same is the case for the v14 and Patton. You can do so much with an 18" euc such as these that you are unlikely to ever "outgrow" any of them, ever. But you may find yourself wishing you had a more trail-friendly or jumping-friendly EUC someday if you go with the V13. Hope this helps 😊
Also, I still wouldn't recommend ripping their the rain and snow if you can help it. Sadly, Even though the V14 is waterproof, they won't give you a replacement motor/bearing if water gets inside and ruins things. Maybe I'm just chicken, but I am a bit of a fanatic when it comes to protecting a big investment such as an EUC, and I've gotten a ruined bearing on my old v11 from riding in a single rainstorm. So maybe I'm just overreacting because of that incident... But still 😂
@@WheelGoodTime Thank you so much! I ended up going with the v14 adventure and as I hit the trails I realize I made a good choice.. Gotta say you were right. first two days i couldn't really ride it at all. Eventually kept trying and trying and now I can ride pretty good. just need to work on turns for sure. today is two weeks my max speed is 28.8mph! heading out of work soon and cant wait to rip it. One thing I did notice is that I get intense foot pain at the bottom of my foot. I use alpine stars j6s. Anything you recommend or is it just because of the weight and learning?? I do have flat feet so that doesn't help lol truly appreciate your time buddy!
Can we just take a second to acknowledge that squirrel at 12:22
The extreme is 4 or 5kgs lighter than the other two from what I remember. Is it more nimble and noticeable when testing between the three wheels?
I didn't notice any difference in "nimbleness" personally. They are all about equal in my opinion in that regard.
How is the commander mini not on here? That wheel is awesome
We didn't have access to that one at the time 😕
For my personal use case, Extreme ftw. If anything, I can easily & relatively inexpensive upgrade the suspension with x linkage & a dnm burner shock to bring it up to s22 standards but without the maintenance & such issues. Honestly Patton sounds more a street wheel in this lineup. V14 I dunno as seems like its bigger brother in that its neither fish now fowl. But I havent ridden all 3 extensively so waddaikno. IMO ofcos
I'm glad to hear people are satisfied with the Extreme.
What exactly is x linkage and a dnm burner shock?
I think the turn signals are worse than a gimmick / useless. I think they are actively dangerous. If you are counter steering, avoiding a pothole, hitting a bump, or any number of common situations, it will signal in the opposite direction of your intended turn, inviting lethal disaster. I'd cover the signals with blackout tape.
I love Johnnys positivity, but some times he just seems to grip it a bit to tight. Great review for anyone new looking at an off-road wheel.
I love my extreme.
green guy just a fun boy of patom.extreme are really OK to ride OUT of the box
What that guy sees is sag presented by manufacturer software so it’s not comparable
I'm really excited about the soft mode change for V14. There was a firmware patch a week or two ago, do you know which patch the soft mode update is meant to be in?
I think it was in that one. 😊 Just have to adjust the pedal hardness percent, I believe.
@@WheelGoodTime thanks! I would check it myself but I'm rebuilding/cleaning the wheel right now. Gonna try it first thing when it's reassembled!
Um, ok, I was too excited and re-assembled my wheel even though I wasn't done with my updates. The new soft mode feels amazing. To my surprise, comfort mode (sport mode off) kicks the torque up yet another notch. I think InMotion is confused because responsive pedal dip (which I believe IM calls "comfort" and "softness") is essential for multiplying application of torque, whereas overaggressive pedal correction "hardness" or "sport" actually works similar to tilt back, counteracting rider lean and making the wheel feel sluggish.
I would combine comfort and softness as the real "power assist", I would combine sport and hardness as "stability" for beginners or if you don't want your headlight to dip. I would delete the original "power assist" or rename it to "Pisa mode" because it feels like the engineers messed up and the wheel is slowly falling over.
Salut, je voulais savoir, qui vend le kit de protection sur l’extrême
Grizzla 😊
Johnny looks like a nice guy and loves to talk. But not everything he is saying rational.
I have opened up the Patton top cover. It is 100 percent not waterproof/water-resistant. No rubber to seal it off. Especially around the buttons water can go through.
You cannot judge sag from the battery indicator on the screen. How many times does the screen refresh. How many times does the controlboard send the battery voltage to battery indicator. Maybe the Patton guves a more live feed of the voltage. The Extreme and V14 maybe don't or are very slow. That is why the battery indicator on the V14 and Extreme do not drop that low.
The turning lights are gimmicks and aren't smart at all.
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Where are you located? You need a commander mini in this lineup
We would have included it if we had access to one. That was filmed in Gainesville, FL. But I'm currently in NC 😊
@@WheelGoodTime damn I’m on the opposite side of the us in soCal haha.
@@Wheelednuggets maybe I'll see you at next year's socal EUC tour (if it happens again). I'm hoping to make it there again!
@@WheelGoodTime I didn’t make this one but if there’s another on I’m definitely taking off work for the entire thing. I just got the mini last week and it’s been great definitely my favorite of these 4 personally.
@@WheelGoodTime I live in Hickory nc
It sounds like the patton may be just looking at voltage which is a stupid way to measure battery life of a lithium ion battery. They should be using columbn counting which pays attention to how much capacity is leaving the battery. That would eliminate the appearance of sag
right, in the app it could show how many cycles batteries is charged, as 300 cycles in most cells is the limit
@@milordas yeah, that's a whole other topic. I'm talking about when you lean forward on a wheel the voltage will drop slightly, but it will recover. If you're trying to look at just voltage for life of the charge you'll see it go from 100% down to maybe 85% and then back up to 99 or 100%. The battery charged looks like it jumps all over the place because the battery meter is simply looking at voltage which is a terribly unreliable way to measure remaining capacity on a battery. I agree charge cycles is another way to tell overall battery health, but I'm just talking about state of charge. But you brought up a good topic
I believe that the V14 should not be judged based on its performance straight out of the box. Inmotion wheels are known for their high level of adjustability. By tweaking the settings, making modifications to the pedal height, and adding Grizzla pads, the V14 has the potential to become one of the most powerful and capable EUC. And Johnny knows it.
I agree with you - I made a similar point about that very thing at the end of the video 😊
Just add vcf pads then you have a beast!!!
Извините, не знаю английский. В каком из более надежный и тяговый мотор? Я больше всего боюсь продавить колесо на скорости, т.к. мой вес 100кг
The Begode Extreme 😊
Hi, do you think EX30 accelerates faster on first/second gear range then v14?
Oooo that's a hard question for me to answer. My experience with each of those particular Wheels is fairly limited, and those wheels are and very different classes, having different tire diameters and very different battery sizes. I will tell you this though, they are both extremely fast accelerating wheels and you won't be disappointed with either. The v14 will likely feel like it accelerates faster because it has a smaller overall tire diameter so it'll feel like it has more torque. In practice though, it's a bit hard to say since I haven't had my hands on those wheels for a while.
@@WheelGoodTime thanks!
A lot of information. Doesn't understand about voltage sag. It's better than on any 20 inches wheel i guess. Same with the low torque. You really need that much? Smart bms, dudes, patton have no smart bms, this is clearly bad thing! Btw, Patton goes without pads, only lower ones. So you need to buy pads. Looks like v14 has somewhat not working suspension. And prices, myewhell march 2024:
Extreme 2600, Patton 3200, v14 3800 (!) Eur. I guess clear winner is Extreme. I know about begode quality. Actually lynx 4000 eur, so v14 just not an option.
One thing im willing to add , the fact that they add that stupid orange colors on these wheels turns me off personally so much , the patton looks so much more elegant with the all black look , the orange rims makes the extreme and V14 look like kids toys , I hate it . They need to stop this dumb trend which is unfortunate cause its a big turn off for me .
I love the orange 😍
Paint.
About the tail light I think less is more. If I ordered the Patton I would replace the tail light because I think its ugly and annoying.
what happened to the commander mini ?!!
I wish we had one here, but these EUCs here are all personally owned. If we had access to a CMini, we would have definitely included it in this video. 😊
no worries mate !! jus curiouus as you ranked it high in your comparison viid !!@@WheelGoodTime
dis vid was dope and great and fire !! keep em comin @@WheelGoodTime
v14
When you crash a metal shell the whole wheel takes impact. Learn from 90s cars
Sounds like V14 is the Pro way to Go, feedback-wise
If your a jumper, go for the extreme. If you want the best all around wheel, go for the Patton, if you want to go slower on a suspension euc that has really stiff suspension, but great waterproofing get the V14.
If you’re into that kindergarten toy look then sure
IF youre a beginner jumper then the extreme is a great choice.
IF your just beginner period, then the patton-
IF you have the experience for it , then the skill ceiling is far higher on the v14
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I will smoke ANY euc on the v14 - In a drag race to 40
Slow is as slow does, the v14 is faster than the lynx off the line, just ask Roger... anyone who has ridden them.
Whats with all the fake news these days???
@@chrisharriss
yeah V14 waterproofing is big bonus for winter and storms, extra strong suspension for really rough terrain, quick replaceable battery-packs for marathon stamina, ideal for record breaking stunts I can imagine :)@@chrisharriss
You mean that Motocross look?
yeah It is kinda very Fresh and Lively aint it.
Maybe a bucket of Dead-of-Night black paint is more to someone's else's liking's :S
@@weberito
Two different dudes looking for two different things in their trail riding. Wish I could teleport Chooch to be a tie breaker.
You guys are trippen if you think the Extreme only does 40 mph. Even in Ronin's video he hit 50. Chance hit 50 before too. Smh
It can go that fast, yes. You're right. I believe I put on an on-screen correction when we discussed that segment. 😊
@@WheelGoodTime yeah, but you framed it like it's "possible" like it was a hard thing to do. I see people doing 40 +mph on it with ease all the time. Just feel you're underselling the Extreme's top speed for some reason. Go look at Ronin's video again. He hit 52 and see what he has tp say about the power. That was with the old firmware too I believe. Just feel that was very inaccurate even with the on screen correction.
I admit that I don't push my extreme's speed super hard because the voltage sag is EXTREMELY bad. I have a strong sense of self preservation and so when I see it sag that much, it makes me not push the speed so I don't accidentally Chooch it. But of course I strive to have the most accurate info possible! 😊
@@WheelGoodTime I can understand that, but Chooch was also using the 40t cells which was not a good idea for what he was doing. I watch your videos a lot. Just was wondering why you would put a begode wheel at only 40mph. They haven't made a wheel that slow since the RS19 HT. Other than that I could agree with everything else.
@@ConsilienceDVO tbh it's all about the voltage sag for me. It's so heavy on my 50e version that I don't push the speed very much.
Turn signal, just a gimmick.. most definitely...
V14 = looks good, shit inside.
Begode = looks good, not so shit inside.
Patton = looks meh, great inside.
What? Doesn’t the V14 have the most advanced controller and wiring of all of these wheels? 🧐
@@wheelydope advance in intent and design. Shit in reality.
You lost my respect immediately when you called them all 18 inch wheels. Better luck next time.
if I lose the respect of one person for being accurate and honest then I'm ok with that. Get out a tape measure and see for yourself their diameters of you don't believe me
@@WheelGoodTime is this that thing where EUC measure by the tire OD, not the rim OD?
@@Dan-gs3kg yes. All these wheels have an overall diameter of 18", but the rim diameter is 12" for all of them. But in the old days, 12" rim EUCs were truly 16" because they had a narrower tire. 🙂
We should really call them by their actual diameter, ie 18", or the rim size, ie 12". Calling it a 16" is a relic from the bike industry, kids bikes no less. "16" is the least accurate descriptor, and no longer even found on the tire sidewall. Why not 12-3, then I know something about the cushion.
:D
Good work Johnny, coming across as very knowledgeable. Just some guys talking about electric unicycles.