Years ago when the Moodies were playing in Vegas, Mike was in town to meet with fans. It was at a Best Buy store and there was a fairly long line of people. But here's what really impressed me about Mike...he didn't just say hi, sign his autograph and call over the next person in line. Instead, he had you sit down with him at his table so that he could chat with you. He spent a good five minutes or more with every single person. What a good guy!!!
He got angry and said something stupid and hurtful in the heat of the moment. How many of us can honestly say we've never been in the same position? I certainly can't. All you can do is own up to it and try to make amends.
Mike is such a man to say this publically. He is sorry, and apologizing. I am sure it deeply hurt Graeme, a very emotional man. At the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame induction, 2018, you can see Mike lovingly placing his arm on Graeme’s shoulder and speaking to him softly. All of us have said hurtful things to and about people. As we age, every bad thing we did in our life haunts us, and we ask and pray for forgiveness with a penitent heart.
Those are extremely GREAT WORDS of heartfelt retrospect Thomas. I too saw them all receive their awards at The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame a few years back. Heck, even good Denny was there! (Original bassist Clint had already passed away a decade or so ago.) But indeed other than Den, who really only contributed to album #1, it was GRAEME & MICHAEL who were standing side by side near the podium, looking both extremely proud & at the same time, very humbled to be inducted. From what I can see there was no silly old "Line Drawn In The Sand" between the two anymore. Somehow, as I have proof of it, Graeme doesn't seem like a fellow to hold life long grudges; both seemed quite happy to be there. Now, on the same hand, I can understand him not having two stage hands, roll out a good ol' fashion Mellotron to play "NIGHTS IN WHITE SATIN" with the rest of the band. Mike knew they had now a very accomplished keyboardist, with plenty of tour, studio & rehearsal hours banked up to do a fine showing. Just like Steve Perry reluctantly declined to sing lead on just AT LEAST ONE SONG when Journey was inducted; Steve knew in his heart that the job NOW belonged to Ariel. He respected that, as I am sure Mike did also. Mike just couldn't walk on stage and crank out "NIGHTS..." with the rest of the guys, without scheduled, proper rehearsal & warm up time. The decision was made and Mike, the gentleman that he was, honored that. That last line of this interview really made me think! (Not the reciting of "LATE LAMENT"...) but the part regarding the "Ex-Spouse Scenario". That puts all human psychology (and rock band drama) into proper perspective, I would have to concur. BolsaChicaRadio
I must admit that after Mike Pinder left the Moodies something, some essence, was lost. He was so much more than the keyboard player who wrote a few songs. Yes, Justin Haywood still wrote some lovely songs but overall I felt they became very bland. Changing times didnt help either. I agree with Mike that with Octave the feeling wasnt there any more. I remember being very excited at the band reforming and getting Octave and feeling very underwhemed. However, we still have that period from 67 to 72 when they released some fantastic albums for which I am very grateful to all five of them.
Totally right. Mike has never gotten the credit (or money) he rightfully deserves. And let's be honest..Edge was by far and away the weakest musician in the band.
It did lose something special when Mike left, but I still consider Long Distance Voyager a masterpiece! None of the albums after were quite able to be so successful.
+Doug Strong That is perfect Doug! One of the many of life's lessons that we learned from the Moodies while they themselves were learning. Peace, ♥, and ♫♪
Its ironic really that Graham was the one who wrote those words and yet doesn't take head of them and forgive an old friend (it was him, Ray and Mike who were the founders of the MBs. Graham take head of your words man!
I had a tift with my son-in-law last night. I'm the aggrieved person and IMO had a right to be angry. Today is his daughter's (my granddaughter's birthday.) After hearing this, and reading's Doug Strong's quoting "The Answer" I'll be damned if I'll let it come between us because I love them too much. Thanks again Moody's; you've touched my life once again.
Mike Pinder is a class act. The fans are like children in a divorce where they love their parents and don't want to choose sides. So with that in mind, Mike: I love you and thank you for inspiring me with your music throughout my childhood in the late 60's and early 70's.
Mike must know that his creativity and talent are still very much a part of the Moodies. At least I hope he knows. Glad he made it to the R&R Induction ceremony. Wondered why he did not play with the group. Hugs to you Mike.
Awesome! There will always be a special, important, and almost sacred spot for Mike in the band's music and history. He's also my vote for the most underrated band member within any band.
If Justin Hayward was "The Voice" of the Moodies....certainly, Michael Pinder was "it's conscience" and their "moral compass". Michael, you are sorely missed, I understand, you needed to find a good woman and raise a family...sometimes I think the fans "think that they own the artist and expect them to be their hit factory". This is not right, as they need to find their own joy after spending decades giving joy to us!
People make mistakes, whoever don't make them is not human. The situation as explained by Mr. Pinder just show of humanity of both. I hope sooner that later, they can forgive each other and embrace as good friends, both are great artists, in their own, God bless Moody Blues, I thank them for make my life more happy with their music since the 70's.
Mike Pinder! What a musician and what a pioneer! He truly was the ethereal soul of the Moodies. It's inevitable in a band situation something like Mike describes can happen. There are a few musicians who get so far in their head that they can forget that a drummer can be a musician, too. I've played drums for 51 years and can attest to these things happening. But it's usually something everyone gets over - I have never held a grudge. I have loved the Moodies since 1967 and it was a blow when he left. Moraz was a great keyboardist but he never captured the Core Seven heart and soul. You can hear the difference after Octave...the Moodies post-Octave music was awesome but never quite matched the Pinder age. From Days to Octave were the most profound.
@arturbello4213 Well, hmmm...as I scratch my balding head (or rather, scratch Mike's FULLY balded head...HA!), honestly, I really feel now...Mike, knowing that his good ol' much loved band mates Ray & Graeme have sadly departed & will be forever sorely missed and ALL THE SILLY & STUPID PRESSURES of being "Rock Stars" is completely no longer, even remotely, any of the surviving members modus operandi, I honestly feel Mike might be quite open to doing ONE LAST FINAL ALBUM of some great, long overdue creative work between the three of them...but, unfortunately, I truly sense, the fire in Justin & John to have Mike back to work again with him...for a myriad of different reasons...is just fully gone now. NOT so much sore or hard feelings, but some 45, going on 50 years since they all convened to record "OCTAVE"...I really feel the two are just not interested. Sad though; I honestly feel the lasting trio...could make some extraordinarily sounding, incredible material....as one last Final Bow, as "THE MOODY BLUES". BCRadio
The sound that was created by Mike Pinder ( mellotron) and Graham Edge ( drums) on " Sunset" Isle of Wight 1970 Aug was one of the most powerful melodies ever created by Moodies the drums and mellotron were communicating with the Heavens.
As Mike said he was in a creative mood at that session,I admire his creative nature and feel so very sad he humbled himself so much,but hey, he will always be number one favourite Moody Blues singer in my eyes...forever !!! God Bless him*and also his creative works.If you see this comment Mike,you may wish to stick it down your belt .as a compliment,love ya ... and pleased you are still out there*****
I think there is alot of talent and dedication in the Moody Blues and their music but clearly Pinder is the magic and creative element that has been missing for years
mike!i have so much admiration for you!!you tried so hard to apologies to graeme!!and i hope and i pray that one day graeme will accept your apology!i really do!!the moody blues have been a massive inspiration in my life mike!that goes for you mike,justin,ray,john and graeme!.!awesome!!kind regards from chris rayner.godbless
I was truly hoping for a full reunion with all you extremely talented minstrels.. moody blues, my life long favorite! Mike, you certainly were missed in many ways.
It's really a nice gesture this public apology. As much as I would like to see Mike and Ray back in the lineup, I know that can never happen. Definitely not for Ray since he is retired from it. But in my wildest dreams, I would like to see Mike come back as sort of a "guest" comeback for one tour or even playing on a studio album...his songs are missed. Anything can happen in the crazy music business.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night... but we decide which is right, and which is an illusion. Mike Pinder, a creative artist punished for being who he is. An artist who is slightly touchy while being creative. That's who artists are. Imagine if he was Jim Morrison.
Delores...yes, I have thought very long and deep, just imagining if Mike Pinder was Jim Morrison! Did you see Val Kilmer play the role of Jim Morrison in the movie, "The Doors?" Wow...what a "drunken pissing contest that would be!" Jim WOULD NEVER FORGIVE OR FORGET...HE WOULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING STUPID AND FACE A LENGTHY JAIL SENTENCE! By the way, I saw an interview with Ray Manzerek, the legendary keyboardist and he was quite angry about the movie, as he stated he wanted to "punch Oliver Stone in the nose, because he portrayed Jim Morrison a a "drunken buffoon" that was that way 24/7. He stated that there was another sensitive soul inside of Jim that we as an audience never knew. I guess I won't know until I "Break on Through to the Other Side" when it is my time. Then I will ask God if I can meet Mr.Mojo Risin'. Please wish me luck, as I feel that I am gonna need it, BIG TIME!!! John Keating
Mike, I still think of you as a part of the Moody Blues. 1968 was the year you all made your mark on music. And as a result we are all better off because of it.
Mike Pinder is a heavy hitter in the moody blues. So is justin and ray. these three were incredible. they wrote happy and heat breaking songs side by side. "One Step Into The Light" is joyous to me.
I live only 15 minutes away from you Michael here in Weimar, hope to meet sometime, not as a fan but as a lover of the most uniquely wonderful music ever plus I could understand the lyrics and the only band I liked every song on every album up to Seventh Sojourn, Gods perfect number of completion and your too. Ken M.
These guys are good hearted and made beautiful recordings together. Musicians need harmony amongst themselves and it’s a question of balance to maintain that fine feeling level. So critical.
Mature and manly. I'm no Moodies fan, but this raises a respect for this guy. I'm a Yes fan...lol....who, coincidentally, Patrick Moraz once called a "festival of egos"...lolol. And true enough, much as I love the guys. So it is refreshing to see an admission over a slight, a wrongness, of the type that can happen with pals.
They DID get over it and put the past behind them. It happened at Lake Tahoe, and it was a get-together of just them, in the mid-90's ... People make too much of things that they know nothing about. I'm glad that they made the decision to put things back where it belonged, after all, each one of them was a real gentleman...
Hurt & anger are the best things in life to let go of....& what has been said can't be unsaid---you can't unring the bell. Please move on from this incident & accept Mike's sincere apology, Graeme. We've all spoken hurtful things to others in our lives without intending to, & it takes a colossal amount of courage to say, "I'm sorry." Make peace with Mike & set your soul free. Renew my childhood faith in all things Moody & rise above the mundane.
This appears to be an outtake from that 2 hour documentary on the MB. Some interesting interviews in there...notably, how pissed off Graeme still is when Mike changed his mind and refused to go on tour with Octave. You can tell Graeme has some deep feelings about Mike telling Ray he would go on the road - and then called Justin later and said no, he wasn't going. Mike made it very clear in the interview that during the Octave sessions the feeling just wasn't there anymore, the sessions were difficult, and Mike hated the road...didn't want to be on tour longer than 11 days. You could tell even Justin was a bit upset, but you can't blame anybody here. It is what it is. That said, R&R Hall of Fame should honor these guys while they are all still alive. Then we'll see a reunion - at least for one night. What F'in joke R&R Hall of Fame is.
I agree with your assessment. This juvenile grudge between Pinder and Edge can't be the whole, or even most, of the reason Pinder left. I gather Edge is one of those types of delusional band members, who, confronted with their lack of skill/talent relative to the others, resort to other ways of grabbing power...such as band politics. Pinder probably felt outnumbered and decided for himself it wasn't worth it at first. I'm sure he regretted it later, but at least it was his choice.
I LOVE Mike Pinder's songs. However, his rude words were delivered to Graeme face to face, so it seems instead of a public apology during an interview, he might consider a private face to face personal apology to Graeme...if he's seriously wanting to mend the relationship.
It is Graeme who needs to apologize to Pinder for interrupting his working with Justin *and* for being one of the worst drummers and inconsequential players in Rock history.
It was a pleasant interview until the reporter asked Justin and John about a reunion with Mike Pinder. It killed the moment. Like dropping a turd in a punch bowl. Justin was speechless, John mumbled something about Mike doing his own thing. Understandable that life goes on, but without forgiveness ? Justin's music reached the soul, Mike's music took us the stars and beyond. But Justin's words ring true here, ..." you can never go home, anymore."
Bill Horton...you are "spot on" in your analysis...great observation! I love the "dropped the turd in the puchbowl" reference...just as good as "solving the great frozen mystery of who shit in the freezer" as I have often made reference to! Remember..."stay cool as you can...and keep on thinking free!" A Moodies reference! John Keating
I always thought of the Moody Blues as a class act. This helps confirm it when THIS is one of their "scandals". Nice apology, particularly that it still concerns him after all these years.
Dear Mike. Apologizing to Gram was not only the right thing to do, it was the manly thing to do! Mike your music and the music of the Moody Blues taught many of us younger guys many things. By apologizing you are still teaching. Your teaching GRACE. Well done indeed! (From America)
Honesty hurts. Edge is the most non-essential member of the band. And if it hadn't been for Pinder and his knowledge of the mellotron, the band would have been finished before Hayward and Lodge ever arrived.
I disagree. If you listen to the drumming on those albums, you'll understand why musicologists refer to Graeme as 'master drummer'. His contributions to the band are as essential as anyone else's.
Lol- every time I see Graeme Edge-his interviews or his overextended reach into what Justin and John are doing on cruise ships I think about why Pinder left.
Wondering what the underlying circumstance(s) could have been to warrant such a drastic outcome between Mike and Graeme. The creative process can be brutal at times, but collaborative artists usually find ways to minimize the fallout. Was Yoko there by any chance..?
Apparently, they had set up camp in Pinder's CA studio to work on a new album and the weather escalated existing tensions within the group...that, and Graeme lighting his pork-and-beans farts on fire and habitually pissing in the sink.
I've always liked Mike Pinder. The group is just not the same without him. But so much of what he accomplished was the result of the poetic genius of Graeme Edge! I would suggest that Pinder swallow his pride, get on a jet, fly to Tampa and knock on Graeme's door down in Bradenton, and be a real man, look the fellow in the eye and apologize!
SHREWSBURY UK WHITE ORB UFOS AND MUSIC His 'last' Moody Blues song from the 8th album, "Octave" (and perhaps his best!), "One step into the light- One step away from night- It's the hardest step you're gonna take! The ship that leads you there- It's waiting at the edge (Graeme Edge?)- Of the stairs that lead into your open mind!"
Sorry, but he accomplished amazing things not because of Graeme. Look him up. Pinder was a pioneer in the use of several musical methods and even influenced the Beatles, by sharing one method with his friend John Lennon, an instrument Paul McCartney later praised and demonstrated as well. Graeme Edge had some excellent poetry and was an excellent drummer and an integral part of the team, but to say that Pinder's talent was a reflection of Graeme is simply misinformed and prejudiced. In fact, many fans still love ONLY the early years for the psychedelic sound produced by Pinder's musical arrangement (he was the official arranger of the band) which was never recovered after he left. One of Pinder's sons followed in his footsteps to arrange music successfully in several movies. I love them all, and see value in the band's work both before and after Pinder. I refuse to play favorites, or hate on any of them just because one of them left the band.
MIKE.....PLEASE STOP BEATING YOURSELF UP.....WE ALL KNOW HOW IGNORANT GRAEME CAN BE.... YOU ARE AN AMAZING BEAUTIFUL SOUL.....ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE GRATEFUL TO YOU "SIR MICHAEL PINDER".... THEY OWE YOU BIG TIME SWEETIE..... 🙏🙏🙏🙏😇💖🌈🐦
Yes....LOVE the MB's...each and every one of them. Mike Pinder also has an incredible voice...just as Justin Hayward has. Actually, they all had great singing voices - they are just an amazing group of musicians.....a league of their own!
The melancholy reality of life. Even trivial cross currents can forever separate what otherwise could have been, should have been, a magnificient relationship, even if only in a band. Both are at fault; Graeme, you shouldn't have been interrupting-you must have known by then how Mike like to approach things. Mike, as your talented Ray Thomas wrote so eloquently: "Sorry. Is a word used too late."
Mike Its just one of those things,it happens to anyone whether you are a creative person or not,interrupting the flow can be really annoying..its being human, a train of thought can be lost,but one can learn from these things,it looks like you have. Life experiences are a matter of Spiritual evolution,we are like a rough diamond that has to be cut and polished before its beauty can be appreciated, and its a painful process, the mind has to tamed by the Spirit that you really are...... the mind is just a bundle of thoughts, that produces an Ego,a person, but its just an idea. Thanks for the wonderful Mellotron playing and beautiful compositions ,I fell in love with that Ethereal sound and lyrics of the MB's immediately in 1969 that triggered something deep inside We are all on a Threshold OF the dream, a life story of "me" that doesn't even exist..and the MB's music was the catalyst for "me"to realise this. Thanks forever boys.
I've always said meaning is 100% perception. So if you say something, kidding, and the receiver takes it insulting, then it's right to apologize. Good for you Mike. I've always loved the core albums, and I love your songs. This video just makes me love you more. I love your analogy, "Would you watch your ex-wife make love to a new boyfriend?" I might have to borrow that.
All things come to an end (Therein the beginning) and it was perhaps at that point the connection, as one, came to it's end? That's not to suggest it was any individuals fault , but indeed inevitable given the stagnated world we live (Or lack of spirituality) and it's materially motivated framework. I well know what it is to be "One" with a number of others and to see it end. Sad as it is, the world has not chosen any other path but the one it so clings to. Broad and spacious as it is. *sighs*
WRONG ! you are one of the facets of a gem that shines brilliantly. You worked together. Its not like an old girlfriend. Its a band that makes brilliant music. Rejoin the group. And make more albums, with the group and solo.
Grudges, man. They'll kill you if you let them. I know. I nursed one for 40 years and finally let it go last year. It was too exhausting to keep it alive. Let it go, Graeme.
It's time to go to the Rock and roll hall of fame and apologize to him face to face, and in joy the night because you are a part of this beautiful band that's finally getting the recognition that you and your bandmates deserve😎
Mike was a big part of the Moody’s success. Having said that, Patrick Moraz’s contribution to Long Distance Voyager was phenomenal and I can’t imagine those songs without his keyboard.
I met Patrick Moraz and he is a pompous asshole...watching him jump around on stage like "Weird Al Yankovick" when the other Moodies stood still made me think he is a "Prima Donna" the crazy fucker had more keyboards on stage than the "Captain", of Captain & Toni Tennille! John Keating
Justin and John are the biggest sell-outs...they played "dirty" in ousting Michael Pinder from the band...lets look at the bare facts..Ray and Mike formed the band...when Clint Warwick, on bass and Denny Laine, on guitar left, Michael hired them both and got screwed in the end by these 2 wimps....screw you, Hayward and Lodge...go back to your fucking "cruise concerts"... that's you speed. Douchbags!!!😂😂😂😂 John Keating
And the drumming was nothing fantastic. I agree, he could easily have been replaced except for the fact that he wrote poems and Mike got the job of narrator for these poems.
I wholeheartedly agree...Graeme Edge's only accomplishment was that he was the first drummer to develop the electronic drum kit with a set of complicated set of relays...he stated that years ago. On a scale of the top 100 drummers in the world, I would rate him at 99, and Ringo Starr at 100! No skill set, even with the two combined!😂😂😂😂
Graeme Edge is in the same class (and school) of Rock drummer as Ringo Starr, Nick Mason, and John Densmore, in three other 60's megabands who had serviceable but incredibly mediocre drummers. All were clearly the weak link in their respective groups. It sounds like Edge felt he was denied a level of respect that only he felt he deserved, but was neither warranted nor earned for a player of his very limited ability. Justin and John defended him and closed ranks around Pinder, who was the real victim here. I'm a drummer and have played in numerous bands. There's hardly ever any deference shown to a drummer, and especially if they're not as talented as the principal players. Graeme Edge: you're a grown man, not a child. Grow up and get over it. This is a classic mountain made out of a molehill.
@@whatevershebrings I like your logic...you see the facts and couldn't have said it better...I am damn sure somewhere across the USA, some High School student could play the pants off of Graeme Edge! I'll bet my life on it...so what...he "developed the first electronic drum kit!" Hell, I can't tell the difference! So he "rides on the coattails of the other Moodies success!"😂😂😂
I am not throwing stones. But you should have approached Graeme personally and made things right. Not trying to go through other people or situations. I learned that lession myself at great cost. Always loved your work, and contributions to the Moody Blues. I have nothing but respect, and admiration for every member of the Moody Blues. So many memories.
Years ago when the Moodies were playing in Vegas, Mike was in town to meet with fans. It was at a Best Buy store and there was a fairly long line of people. But here's what really impressed me about Mike...he didn't just say hi, sign his autograph and call over the next person in line. Instead, he had you sit down with him at his table so that he could chat with you. He spent a good five minutes or more with every single person. What a good guy!!!
It shows through that he’s a good guy. Thanks for sharing that!
Love this guy. Love the Moodies, but they were never *quite* right without him.
If you want, you can always go back, and mend the fence, so to speak.
I always said that Justin Hayward and John Lodge were the heart of The Moody Blues. Mike Pinder was the soul
@Artur Belo -- Without Mike, and Ray, and Gray (who retired a year or so back). Yup. Blue Jays.
As a Moodies fan since 1968, I'll share this: To ERR is human, to forgive is DIVINE.
The Moodies shaped the soundtrack of my life. Thank you so much.
It was over for me the day Mike Pinder left. A few decent singles but really...the end. Love this guy
He got angry and said something stupid and hurtful in the heat of the moment. How many of us can honestly say we've never been in the same position? I certainly can't. All you can do is own up to it and try to make amends.
Mike is such a man to say this publically. He is sorry, and apologizing. I am sure it deeply hurt Graeme, a very emotional man. At the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame induction, 2018, you can see Mike lovingly placing his arm on Graeme’s shoulder and speaking to him softly. All of us have said hurtful things to and about people. As we age, every bad thing we did in our life haunts us, and we ask and pray for forgiveness with a penitent heart.
Those are extremely GREAT WORDS of heartfelt retrospect Thomas. I too saw them all receive their awards at The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame a few years back. Heck, even good Denny was there! (Original bassist Clint had already passed away a decade or so ago.) But indeed other than Den, who really only contributed to album #1, it was GRAEME & MICHAEL who were standing side by side near the podium, looking both extremely proud & at the same time, very humbled to be inducted. From what I can see there was no silly old "Line Drawn In The Sand" between the two anymore. Somehow, as I have proof of it, Graeme doesn't seem like a fellow to hold life long grudges; both seemed quite happy to be there. Now, on the same hand, I can understand him not having two stage hands, roll out a good ol' fashion Mellotron to play "NIGHTS IN WHITE SATIN" with the rest of the band. Mike knew they had now a very accomplished keyboardist, with plenty of tour, studio & rehearsal hours banked up to do a fine showing. Just like Steve Perry reluctantly declined to sing lead on just AT LEAST ONE SONG when Journey was inducted; Steve knew in his heart that the job NOW belonged to Ariel. He respected that, as I am sure Mike did also. Mike just couldn't walk on stage and crank out "NIGHTS..." with the rest of the guys, without scheduled, proper rehearsal & warm up time. The decision was made and Mike, the gentleman that he was, honored that.
That last line of this interview really made me think! (Not the reciting of "LATE LAMENT"...) but the part regarding the "Ex-Spouse Scenario". That puts all human psychology (and rock band drama) into proper perspective, I would have to concur.
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I could not have said it better Sir. Thank you!
Could not have said it better.
I must admit that after Mike Pinder left the Moodies something, some essence, was lost. He was so much more than the keyboard player who wrote a few songs. Yes, Justin Haywood still wrote some lovely songs but overall I felt they became very bland.
Changing times didnt help either. I agree with Mike that with Octave the feeling wasnt there any more.
I remember being very excited at the band reforming and getting Octave and feeling very underwhemed. However, we still have that period from 67 to 72 when they released some fantastic albums for which I am very grateful to all five of them.
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Totally right. Mike has never gotten the credit (or money) he rightfully deserves. And let's be honest..Edge was by far and away the weakest musician in the band.
It did lose something special when Mike left, but I still consider Long Distance Voyager a masterpiece! None of the albums after were quite able to be so successful.
Octave is just a terrible record. I tried so hard to like it. Not up to their usual high standards.
I met Michael Pinter years ago. He is such a gentleman. Happy it all worked out for him in California.
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I can't believe they never got past this and it's the music that has suffered. They're all great individually but together it's magic!
"And he saw that when he was in anger, or knew hurt, or felt fear, it was because he was not understanding. And he learned compassion."
Spot on, good sir!
+Doug Strong That is perfect Doug! One of the many of life's lessons that we learned from the Moodies while they themselves were learning.
Peace, ♥, and ♫♪
Its ironic really that Graham was the one who wrote those words and yet doesn't take head of them and forgive an old friend (it was him, Ray and Mike who were the founders of the MBs. Graham take head of your words man!
and with his "eye of compassion"....LOL
@@deepfeelin He co-wrote it with Ray Thomas. Who knows who wrote what...but good point.
I had a tift with my son-in-law last night. I'm the aggrieved person and IMO had a right to be angry. Today is his daughter's (my granddaughter's birthday.) After hearing this, and reading's Doug Strong's quoting "The Answer" I'll be damned if I'll let it come between us because I love them too much. Thanks again Moody's; you've touched my life once again.
Mike Pinder is a class act. The fans are like children in a divorce where they love their parents and don't want to choose sides.
So with that in mind, Mike: I love you and thank you for inspiring me with your music throughout my childhood in the late 60's and early 70's.
Good for you Mike. It takes a good man to realize his mistake; it takes a great man to call attention to that mistake, and apologize for it publicly.
50 years too late
why did he try to apologize through other people?
I'd have thought more of him if he went and knocked on Graeme Edge's front door and apologised face to face like a man...
@@BenZaniline do you know for a fact that he did NOT try to do that? Or are you assuming?
Why did he have to apologize through other people? Do it personally
Mike is missed. I love his songs. Justin has said "I miss his songs". Maybe there is hope. I agree, Pinder is a class act as are The Moody Blues.
I hope Graeme saw this before he passed.
The Moodies didn't miss a beat with Moraz....NOT!!! When Mike left it ripped the soul out of the band.
Mike must know that his creativity and talent are still very much a part of the Moodies. At least I hope he knows. Glad he made it to the R&R Induction ceremony. Wondered why he did not play with the group. Hugs to you Mike.
Awesome! There will always be a special, important, and almost sacred spot for Mike in the band's music and history. He's also my vote for the most underrated band member within any band.
If Justin Hayward was "The Voice" of the Moodies....certainly, Michael Pinder was "it's conscience" and their "moral compass". Michael, you are sorely missed, I understand, you needed to find a good woman and raise a family...sometimes I think the fans "think that they own the artist and expect them to be their hit factory". This is not right, as they need to find their own joy after spending decades giving joy to us!
And with his eye of compassion he saw his enemies, like unto himself, and he learned love. Then he was answered
People make mistakes, whoever don't make them is not human. The situation as explained by Mr. Pinder just show of humanity of both. I hope sooner that later, they can forgive each other and embrace as good friends, both are great artists, in their own, God bless Moody Blues, I thank them for make my life more happy with their music since the 70's.
i'm glad for him that he felt family was more important, and I bet he is a great father. He even did childrens music.
Mike Pinder! What a musician and what a pioneer! He truly was the ethereal soul of the Moodies. It's inevitable in a band situation something like Mike describes can happen. There are a few musicians who get so far in their head that they can forget that a drummer can be a musician, too. I've played drums for 51 years and can attest to these things happening. But it's usually something everyone gets over - I have never held a grudge. I have loved the Moodies since 1967 and it was a blow when he left. Moraz was a great keyboardist but he never captured the Core Seven heart and soul. You can hear the difference after Octave...the Moodies post-Octave music was awesome but never quite matched the Pinder age. From Days to Octave were the most profound.
5 guys -- Justin, John, Ray, Michael, Graeme.
@arturbello4213Too bad Tony, Ray & Graeme are all gone now. Well good ol' Denny's still kicking!!!
BCRadio
@arturbello4213 Well, hmmm...as I scratch my balding head (or rather, scratch Mike's FULLY balded head...HA!), honestly, I really feel now...Mike, knowing that his good ol' much loved band mates Ray & Graeme have sadly departed & will be forever sorely missed and ALL THE SILLY & STUPID PRESSURES of being "Rock Stars" is completely no longer, even remotely, any of the surviving members modus operandi, I honestly feel Mike might be quite open to doing ONE LAST FINAL ALBUM of some great, long overdue creative work between the three of them...but, unfortunately, I truly sense, the fire in Justin & John to have Mike back to work again with him...for a myriad of different reasons...is just fully gone now. NOT so much sore or hard feelings, but some 45, going on 50 years since they all convened to record "OCTAVE"...I really feel the two are just not interested. Sad though; I honestly feel the lasting trio...could make some extraordinarily sounding, incredible material....as one last Final Bow, as "THE MOODY BLUES".
BCRadio
The sound that was created by Mike Pinder ( mellotron) and Graham Edge ( drums) on " Sunset" Isle of Wight 1970 Aug was one of the most powerful melodies ever created by Moodies the drums and mellotron were communicating with the Heavens.
RIP Mike! I hope you're performing my song up there with the lords of light!
I Hope in the intervening 7 years since this was posted that Graeme and Mike got to speak.
RIP Graeme.
As Mike said he was in a creative mood at that session,I admire his creative nature and feel so very sad he humbled himself so much,but hey, he will always be number one favourite Moody Blues singer in my eyes...forever !!! God Bless him*and also his creative works.If you see this comment Mike,you may wish to stick it down your belt .as a compliment,love ya ... and pleased you are still out there*****
I think there is alot of talent and dedication in the Moody Blues and their music but clearly Pinder is the magic and creative element that has been missing for years
mike!i have so much admiration for you!!you tried so hard to apologies to graeme!!and i hope and i pray that one day graeme will accept your apology!i really do!!the moody blues have been a massive inspiration in my life mike!that goes for you mike,justin,ray,john and graeme!.!awesome!!kind regards from chris rayner.godbless
They were never the same after Pinder left. it was nice of him to acknowledge that we all say hurtful things in moments of anger.
I was truly hoping for a full reunion with all you extremely talented minstrels.. moody blues, my life long favorite! Mike, you certainly were missed in many ways.
It's really a nice gesture this public apology. As much as I would like to see Mike and Ray back in the lineup, I know that can never happen. Definitely not for Ray since he is retired from it. But in my wildest dreams, I would like to see Mike come back as sort of a "guest" comeback for one tour or even playing on a studio album...his songs are missed. Anything can happen in the crazy music business.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night... but we decide which is right, and which is an illusion.
Mike Pinder, a creative artist punished for being who he is. An artist who is slightly touchy while being creative. That's who artists are. Imagine if he was Jim Morrison.
Delores...yes, I have thought very long and deep, just imagining if Mike Pinder was Jim Morrison!
Did you see Val Kilmer play the role of Jim Morrison in the movie, "The Doors?" Wow...what a "drunken pissing contest that would be!" Jim WOULD NEVER FORGIVE OR FORGET...HE WOULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING STUPID AND FACE A LENGTHY JAIL SENTENCE! By the way, I saw an interview with Ray Manzerek, the legendary keyboardist and he was quite angry about the movie, as he stated he wanted to "punch Oliver Stone in the nose, because he portrayed Jim Morrison a a "drunken buffoon" that was that way 24/7. He stated that there was another sensitive soul inside of Jim that we as an audience never knew. I guess I won't know until I "Break on Through to the Other Side" when it is my time. Then I will ask God if I can meet Mr.Mojo Risin'. Please wish me luck, as I feel that I am gonna need it, BIG TIME!!!
John Keating
RIP Graeme Edge and Mike Pinder
Mike, I still think of you as a part of the Moody Blues. 1968 was the year you all made your mark on music. And as a result we are all better off because of it.
Like a good friend and gentleman should. Let any bad thought or word fall dead by the power of forgiveness, and rejoin the big dream of togetherness.
Amen.
But he *did* go see the Moodies play April 26 2015.
Here's hoping - with him and Ray on John's new album, that maybe, just maybe...
Mike Pinder is a heavy hitter in the moody blues. So is justin and ray. these three were incredible. they wrote happy and heat breaking songs side by side. "One Step Into The Light" is joyous to me.
I couldn't remember the alphabet in school but I know all of Mikes poems
I missed your music and influence on the band all those years. Your songs were deep, spiritual and meaningful.
I live only 15 minutes away from you Michael here in Weimar, hope to meet sometime, not as a fan but as a lover of the most uniquely wonderful music ever plus I could understand the lyrics and the only band I liked every song on every album up to Seventh Sojourn, Gods perfect number of completion and your too. Ken M.
I had once heard that Graeme said he would quit if Mike ever returned to the band. I never understood it but this must be why.
Please come back to tour with the band, Mike! Graeme, time to get over this before it's too late!. Your fans would highly appreciate it,
Thinking Is The Best Way To Travel!
These guys are good hearted and made beautiful recordings together. Musicians need harmony amongst themselves and it’s a question of balance to maintain that fine feeling level. So critical.
“A Question of Balance”…..nice tie-in.
Mature and manly. I'm no Moodies fan, but this raises a respect for this guy. I'm a Yes fan...lol....who, coincidentally, Patrick Moraz once called a "festival of egos"...lolol. And true enough, much as I love the guys. So it is refreshing to see an admission over a slight, a wrongness, of the type that can happen with pals.
What a wonderful opportunity you took to reach out to your former bandmate! Rest Well, my teacher...
They DID get over it and put the past behind them. It happened at Lake Tahoe, and it was a get-together of just them, in the mid-90's ...
People make too much of things that they know nothing about.
I'm glad that they made the decision to put things back where it belonged, after all, each one of them was a real gentleman...
Hurt & anger are the best things in life to let go of....& what has been said can't be unsaid---you can't unring the bell. Please move on from this incident & accept Mike's sincere apology, Graeme. We've all spoken hurtful things to others in our lives without intending to, & it takes a colossal amount of courage to say, "I'm sorry." Make peace with Mike & set your soul free. Renew my childhood faith in all things Moody & rise above the mundane.
R.I.P MIKE PINDER
MIKE WAS THE SOUL OF MOODY BLUES
So good to hear humility thus manifest.
This appears to be an outtake from that 2 hour documentary on the MB. Some interesting interviews in there...notably, how pissed off Graeme still is when Mike changed his mind and refused to go on tour with Octave. You can tell Graeme has some deep feelings about Mike telling Ray he would go on the road - and then called Justin later and said no, he wasn't going. Mike made it very clear in the interview that during the Octave sessions the feeling just wasn't there anymore, the sessions were difficult, and Mike hated the road...didn't want to be on tour longer than 11 days. You could tell even Justin was a bit upset, but you can't blame anybody here. It is what it is. That said, R&R Hall of Fame should honor these guys while they are all still alive. Then we'll see a reunion - at least for one night. What F'in joke R&R Hall of Fame is.
To late for Ray....................................... RIP.
I agree with your assessment. This juvenile grudge between Pinder and Edge can't be the whole, or even most, of the reason Pinder left. I gather Edge is one of those types of delusional band members, who, confronted with their lack of skill/talent relative to the others, resort to other ways of grabbing power...such as band politics. Pinder probably felt outnumbered and decided for himself it wasn't worth it at first. I'm sure he regretted it later, but at least it was his choice.
I LOVE Mike Pinder's songs. However, his rude words were delivered to Graeme face to face, so it seems instead of a public apology during an interview, he might consider a private face to face personal apology to Graeme...if he's seriously wanting to mend the relationship.
rjfleet they recently met up backstage at an L.A. Moody Blues show. Looked very pally from the photos :-)
rjfleet I think you owe Mike, Graeme, and me an apology.
It is Graeme who needs to apologize to Pinder for interrupting his working with Justin *and* for being one of the worst drummers and inconsequential players in Rock history.
It was a pleasant interview until the reporter asked Justin and John about a reunion with Mike Pinder. It killed the moment. Like dropping a turd in a punch bowl. Justin was speechless, John
mumbled something about Mike doing his own thing. Understandable that life goes on, but without forgiveness ? Justin's music reached the soul, Mike's music took us the stars and beyond. But Justin's words ring true here, ..." you can never go home, anymore."
Bill Horton...you are "spot on" in your analysis...great observation! I love the "dropped the turd in the puchbowl" reference...just as good as "solving the great frozen mystery of who shit in the freezer" as I have often made reference to! Remember..."stay cool as you can...and keep on thinking free!" A Moodies reference! John Keating
Happens, happens to us all!
RIP Mike, you're a legend ❤
Indeed. Mike was the spiritual leader of the group. A modern day mystic of sorts.
FORGIVENESS...one of the main keys to life!
Graeme owes Mike an apology. Sorry Mike felt the need to apologize for that.
very sincere apology ❤
I always thought of the Moody Blues as a class act. This helps confirm it when THIS is one of their "scandals". Nice apology, particularly that it still concerns him after all these years.
Dear Mike.
Apologizing to Gram was not only the right thing to do, it was the manly thing to do!
Mike your music and the music of the Moody Blues taught many of us younger
guys many things. By apologizing you are still teaching. Your teaching GRACE.
Well done indeed!
(From America)
not bad for a lad from Erdington England .godbless you in 2024 xx a fellow brummie
Honesty hurts. Edge is the most non-essential member of the band. And if it hadn't been for Pinder and his knowledge of the mellotron, the band would have been finished before Hayward and Lodge ever arrived.
I disagree. If you listen to the drumming on those albums, you'll understand why musicologists refer to Graeme as 'master drummer'. His contributions to the band are as essential as anyone else's.
Lol- every time I see Graeme Edge-his interviews or his overextended reach into what Justin and John are doing on cruise ships I think about why Pinder left.
Agree. The whole cruise ship thing is embarrassing. One would think they had enough money.
Wondering what the underlying circumstance(s) could have been to warrant such a drastic outcome between Mike and Graeme. The creative process can be brutal at times, but collaborative artists usually find ways to minimize the fallout.
Was Yoko there by any chance..?
No, but you were.
Apparently, they had set up camp in Pinder's CA studio to work on a new album and the weather escalated existing tensions within the group...that, and Graeme lighting his pork-and-beans farts on fire and habitually pissing in the sink.
It’s lame when people can’t be grown-ups and accept an apology. It sounds like Edge was the one being rude to begin with. Moving forward……..
Graeme probably thinks that The Moody Blues did alright without Mike. WRONG.
I've always liked Mike Pinder. The group is just not the same without him. But so much of what he accomplished was the result of the poetic genius of Graeme Edge! I would suggest that Pinder swallow his pride, get on a jet, fly to Tampa and knock on Graeme's door down in Bradenton, and be a real man, look the fellow in the eye and apologize!
John Thomas Here,here John!!!! But are you an old romantic like me? I think Mike Pinder should be invited,lol...
SHREWSBURY UK WHITE ORB UFOS AND MUSIC His 'last' Moody Blues song from the 8th album, "Octave" (and perhaps his best!), "One step into the light- One step away from night- It's the hardest step you're gonna take! The ship that leads you there- It's waiting at the edge (Graeme Edge?)- Of the stairs that lead into your open mind!"
SHREWSBURY UK WHITE ORB UFOS AND MUSIC Hey- I was in Shrewsbury in April. Our 6th UK trip. Love it!
Sorry, but he accomplished amazing things not because of Graeme. Look him up. Pinder was a pioneer in the use of several musical methods and even influenced the Beatles, by sharing one method with his friend John Lennon, an instrument Paul McCartney later praised and demonstrated as well. Graeme Edge had some excellent poetry and was an excellent drummer and an integral part of the team, but to say that Pinder's talent was a reflection of Graeme is simply misinformed and prejudiced. In fact, many fans still love ONLY the early years for the psychedelic sound produced by Pinder's musical arrangement (he was the official arranger of the band) which was never recovered after he left. One of Pinder's sons followed in his footsteps to arrange music successfully in several movies. I love them all, and see value in the band's work both before and after Pinder. I refuse to play favorites, or hate on any of them just because one of them left the band.
Mike's oldest son Daniel does the arrangements, and his other 2 sons Mike Jr. and Matthew are also musicians.
MIKE.....PLEASE STOP BEATING YOURSELF UP.....WE ALL KNOW HOW IGNORANT GRAEME CAN BE....
YOU ARE AN AMAZING BEAUTIFUL SOUL.....ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE GRATEFUL TO YOU "SIR MICHAEL PINDER"....
THEY OWE YOU BIG TIME SWEETIE.....
🙏🙏🙏🙏😇💖🌈🐦
Mike, if you truly want to apologize, it should be face to face. Not by "reaching out through others."
Roy Jones Maybe he did try to apologize face to face and Graham couldn't be bothered and kept away from him.
Mike was the heart and soul of the moody blues
Yes....LOVE the MB's...each and every one of them. Mike Pinder also has an incredible voice...just as Justin Hayward has. Actually, they all had great singing voices - they are just an amazing group of musicians.....a league of their own!
Graeme needs to get over that, it happened back in 1978 for cryin out loud! 42 years ago....
The melancholy reality of life. Even trivial cross currents can forever separate what otherwise could have been, should have been, a magnificient relationship, even if only in a band.
Both are at fault;
Graeme, you shouldn't have been interrupting-you must have known by then how Mike like to approach things.
Mike, as your talented Ray Thomas wrote so eloquently: "Sorry. Is a word used too late."
Love Mike, A big part of the band, I would say. wish u and all the band the best, really took my heart
Mike Pinder - such a class act
Takes a big man to admit he did something wrong and apologize.
Mike Its just one of those things,it happens to anyone whether you are a creative person or not,interrupting the flow can be really annoying..its being human, a train of thought can be lost,but one can learn from these things,it looks like you have.
Life experiences are a matter of Spiritual evolution,we are like a rough diamond that has to be cut and polished before its beauty can be appreciated, and its a painful process, the mind has to tamed by the Spirit that you really are...... the mind is just a bundle of thoughts, that produces an Ego,a person, but its just an idea.
Thanks for the wonderful Mellotron playing and beautiful compositions ,I fell in love with that Ethereal sound and lyrics of the MB's immediately in 1969 that triggered something deep inside
We are all on a Threshold OF the dream, a life story of "me" that doesn't even exist..and the MB's music was the catalyst for "me"to realise this.
Thanks forever boys.
God bless you Mike.
You are truly great.
You are truly noble.
SIR MICHAEL....ALWAYS THE GENTLEMAN...
🙏🙏🙏😇💖
Real men apologize when they hurt someone...thats what gentlemen do.
Not wait 50 years to do it.
I wish Mike would come back and join the band
Mike was the heart of the Moody Blues
Nice apology. A bit late but sounds heartfelt.
I've always said meaning is 100% perception. So if you say something, kidding, and the receiver takes it insulting, then it's right to apologize. Good for you Mike. I've always loved the core albums, and I love your songs. This video just makes me love you more. I love your analogy, "Would you watch your ex-wife make love to a new boyfriend?" I might have to borrow that.
Wow ! Life just rushes by, faster and faster. Thanks Redbaron.
Mike Pinder is such a good man. You can see it in his eyes.
All things come to an end (Therein the beginning) and it was perhaps at that point the connection, as one, came to it's end? That's not to suggest it was any individuals fault , but indeed inevitable given the stagnated world we live (Or lack of spirituality) and it's materially motivated framework. I well know what it is to be "One" with a number of others and to see it end. Sad as it is, the world has not chosen any other path but the one it so clings to. Broad and spacious as it is. *sighs*
WRONG ! you are one of the facets of a gem that shines brilliantly. You worked together. Its not like an old girlfriend. Its a band that makes brilliant music. Rejoin the group. And make more albums, with the group and solo.
Your a good man Mike
Grudges, man. They'll kill you if you let them. I know. I nursed one for 40 years and finally let it go last year. It was too exhausting to keep it alive. Let it go, Graeme.
It's time to go to the Rock and roll hall of fame and apologize to him face to face, and in joy the night because you are a part of this beautiful band that's finally getting the recognition that you and your bandmates deserve😎
@@TELE6220 corrected
Mike was a big part of the Moody’s success. Having said that, Patrick Moraz’s contribution to Long Distance Voyager was phenomenal and I can’t imagine those songs without his keyboard.
I met Patrick Moraz and he is a pompous asshole...watching him jump around on stage like "Weird Al Yankovick" when the other Moodies stood still made me think he is a "Prima Donna" the crazy fucker had more keyboards on stage than the "Captain", of Captain & Toni Tennille!
John Keating
Justin and John are the biggest sell-outs...they played "dirty" in ousting Michael Pinder from the band...lets look at the bare facts..Ray and Mike formed the band...when Clint Warwick, on bass and Denny Laine, on guitar left, Michael hired them both and got screwed in the end by these 2 wimps....screw you, Hayward and Lodge...go back to your fucking "cruise concerts"... that's you speed. Douchbags!!!😂😂😂😂
John Keating
He IS Just a drummer who can be replaced instantly a dime a dozen, the 3 most classic members are Pinder, Lodge & Hayward!!!!!!
And the drumming was nothing fantastic. I agree, he could easily have been replaced except for the fact that he wrote poems and Mike got the job of narrator for these poems.
Except he was smarter than your average drummer and owns 1/4 of the Moody Blues and has said he cannot be fired.
I wholeheartedly agree...Graeme Edge's only accomplishment was that he was the first drummer to develop the electronic drum kit with a set of complicated set of relays...he stated that years ago. On a scale of the top 100 drummers in the world, I would rate him at 99, and Ringo Starr at 100! No skill set, even with the two combined!😂😂😂😂
Graeme Edge is in the same class (and school) of Rock drummer as Ringo Starr, Nick Mason, and John Densmore, in three other 60's megabands who had serviceable but incredibly mediocre drummers. All were clearly the weak link in their respective groups.
It sounds like Edge felt he was denied a level of respect that only he felt he deserved, but was neither warranted nor earned for a player of his very limited ability. Justin and John defended him and closed ranks around Pinder, who was the real victim here.
I'm a drummer and have played in numerous bands. There's hardly ever any deference shown to a drummer, and especially if they're not as talented as the principal players.
Graeme Edge: you're a grown man, not a child. Grow up and get over it. This is a classic mountain made out of a molehill.
@@whatevershebrings I like your logic...you see the facts and couldn't have said it better...I am damn sure somewhere across the USA, some High School student could play the pants off of Graeme Edge! I'll bet my life on it...so what...he "developed the first electronic drum kit!" Hell, I can't tell the difference! So he "rides on the coattails of the other Moodies success!"😂😂😂
l wish he was still in the band, the master of the melotrone and also at Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony in Cleveland Ohio tonight
Mellotron
The Edge was a pompous ego maniac.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU MY DARLING 🙏😇💖
Mike looks like one of those new age guys. A little bit of spirituality, a whole lot of old world issues.
I am not throwing stones. But you should have approached Graeme personally and made things right. Not trying to go through other people or situations. I learned that lession myself at great cost. Always loved your work, and contributions to the Moody Blues. I have nothing but respect, and admiration for every member of the Moody Blues. So many memories.
“Cold hearted orb....”my God...sounds exactly the same as on the record....thanks Mike
Good on you, Mike. The music and poetry live on.