FN P90 at the Range
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Having taken a look at the history and mechanics of the P90 yesterday, I'm taking it out to the range today. I wasn't sure how I would feel about the progressive trigger...
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Ian's probably out living on the street now after emptying that 50rnd mag of 5.7.
I mean he made serious bank from the patron book sale
@@Rainbow-Dash still shouldn't blow it all in under five seconds haha
@@the_chomper lol he probably got the ammo free , even if he didn’t he isn’t paying moronic panic buyer price
@@the_chomper I've never seen it at 50 cents even before the world caught fire
Was I simply not paying enough attention?
Last ammo drought it was all I could find. Not many guns to shoot up what is on hand. I'd be surprised if 5.7 has gone as crazy as everything else.
Everyone should always have one of these on hand in case of a Goa'uld attack.
Nice to see I'm not the only thinking of offing false gods with one of those
Indeed
If it's good enough for O'Neil, it's good enough for me.
@@SDGrave tealc says you need a SPAS 12 as well
Hallowed be the Ori!
Belgium: "It's for truck drivers."
Everyone else: "Well this is obviously for elite special forces units"
Conclusion Belgian truck drivers are elite special forces.
@@zachelkins1229 Only the elite can maintain 100% combat efficiency while driving trucks.
Light handy and accurate counts for a lot. Wasn't that one of the reasons the m1 carbine was so popular? Even though of course it suffers from some of the same problems as this.
For that guy that tells you he was motor t and then force recon.
Makes more sense for them than police departments.
''This is a weapon of terror, it's made to intimidate the enemy (holding jaffa staff weapon). This is a weapon of war, it's made to kill the enemy (holding FN P90).''
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@@dysomniak thx for the link, turns out I already liked it long time ago, sometime in the past lmao
@@browngreen933 The idea of a p90 sawing a log in half still cracks me up. You'd need all the 5.7 ammo ever made to try it.
@@Elthenar My p90 uses bmg 50. It can saw a saw on half at the rate of saw.
@@MobileAura Imagine if that tiny gun could load BMG 50. It would spin you around like a lawn sprinkler. Bullets for everyone!
amazing how a gun that's 40 years old looks like it came out tomorrow
*31 years old
This was in Fallout 2, ffs.
@@hakimcameldriver ...MG42, AR-15 platform, Kalashnikov, M1911, M9(?), Mosin Nagant, M60
@@hakimcameldriver FG42 looks very dated now, let's be real. Certainly ahead of its time though
I fired one of these at ‘Battlefield Vegas’ . Pretty accurate....even in full auto.
That thing's still gonna look futuristic in another fifty years' time
I think it's going to look "Futuristic" in the same way that any of the older steampunky pistols in the late 1800's like the C96 and Bergmans look future cool but older. I both shudder and await in anticipation for what the future weapons will look like. Notice how as a general rule nothing seems to be newer than the Ak and M16 platform? I know that it's a case of "If it works don't freaking fix it!" but that mentality gave us the m14[along with nationalistic intrigue that kept us from adopting the FN FAL then]. Good luck in that future and I hope I survive to see it too.
Yeah, like the Steyr Aug.
@@dragonsword7370 Yeah, often "if it works don't fix it" turns into "if it's familiar don't change it", and we end up with ideas that stick around at the expense of potentially better ones (this is not at all specific to firearms).
@@dragonsword7370 The problem with the AR platform, and replacing it is: How do you justify spending tens, or hundreds of billions of dollars to anyone, for no real benefit?
*But more reliable, more powerful, more accurate, moar betterer!!!!"
Yeah, but how much more? Remember, the military is a numbers game.
The Military wants to see a a 30-40% improvement in the rifle. Because that makes every soldier probably 20% more capable individually, but as a division? A Division's effectiveness in combat may only see a 5% benefit in combat efficacy. For the whole of the military? It's not really a significant improvement.
But....we aren't seeing 30-40% improvements over the AR platform. We are seeing what? Maybe 5-10% improvement in effective range, while likely not saving any weight over the current system. The NGWS 6.8mm cartridge is going to be probably about the same weight as 5.56 currently is, if not a little heavier (Case weight is lighter, bullet and powder get heavier). So, you have a rifle, firing a more powerful cartridge? Likely going to lead to slightly slower shot recovery times.
So how much more capable is such a weapon system going to make a soldier, in all of their tasks? Of which, combat is only a part of?
At the end of the day, because of the sheer numbers involved, these benefits start becoming insignificant.
The FAMAS is another weapon that looks super sleek and futuristic, despite having been invented in the 70s.
*Shoots one burst* ian: "i am never going to financially recover from this"
How much do the rounds cost?
@@Markyroson in canada it looks like you're paying a little over a dollar a round. So that mag cost him 50 bucks to fire lol
😂🤣😂🤣 damn the 5.7
@@yowamushy at 728,000 views and counting I'm pretty sure those dollars were well spent.
He had an ammo sponsor.
"hey guys I'm Ian and we're about to rush B."
Came here looking for the rush B comment xD
In Beta 3.5 you could one-tap kill with accuracy and damage equal to an AK or M4, plus the spray was higher rate of fire than the MP5, in addition to the twenty extra rounds per magazine.
If I recall, in that version, the M4 was also suppressed and scoped.
Rush B and do not stop, my friends
RUSH B! Suka Blat! ))
Is the accuracy standard still shooting a rope from which a large log is suspended, while being watched by staff-weilding alien humanoids?
Only if you cut say'd log in half first, as to showcase the efectivenes.
"Hey you, in the skirt. Get that target swinging a little!"
@@IamBatdman a little more.
Alright step away.
@@erzherzogalbrecht8504 Enter Sam... The ultimate bad ass sniper!
Anyone else, slightly disappointed about the lack of swinging tree trunk targets?
yepp!
Or even mention of it.
If it makes you feel any better I CCW one of these in an elephant trunk holster =p
@Fam Alam there was an episode in Stargate in which they compared a P90 to a staff weapon. One of the tests was shooting a swinging trunk
@Fam Alam czcams.com/video/NjlCVW_ouL8/video.html
Wow, you could even hear the Death Glider starting to fall out of the sky with that full auto burst at the end!
nah I think its a 302
Yeah, if he had waited just a couple more seconds, that aircraft would’ve been in the perfect spot to give a great sound effect.
It's impossible to NOT think Stargate when you see the P90
I always loved the sparks on the Jaffa armor.
All the Stargate SG-1 comments made me regain my faith in humanity.
"This is a weapon of intimidation" *Brings out p90* "This is a Weapon of war" (sue me i never actually saw SG but that one scene..
Faith in nerdd0m. :D
Jaffa kree!
m2
@@pennywisdom9435 100% worth watching.
"Very unusually shaped package"
Yeah I get that a lot
Squareness makes for an awkward cheek weld, but she’ll get used to it.
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez and yet still wholesome
Got to duel wield them like Teal'c.
I've heard that duel wielding one of these with a grenade launcher helps well to get you onatopp of your enemies.
Indeed.
I dual-wielded them in Modern Warfare 2 the other day and destroyed many enemy players. Then I drank vodka in the sauna.
@@zombieslayer7759 massive doubt
Indeed
Shootouts have lots of shots fired, with few rounds hitting the targets. Having a lot of ammo to keep the other guy "ducking" until reinforcements arrive, is why Security carries the weapon. It is light, accurate, and can hold a lot of rounds.
Another reason is that the lighter round has a flatter trajectory for longer (greater *effective* range) but also looses energy quicker than the tradition 9mm submachine gun/pistol round (lower *maximum* range). This means that stray bullets are less of a problem because the bullets become less dangerous quicker. Since the rounds are going almost twice as fast, and tumble (like rifle rounds) each one might actually have comparable or better stopping power than more reputable 9mm, 10mm and .45 caliber rounds. These are all traits that security and SWAT would find advantageous.
@@jeffbenton6183 Thanks for your thoughtful comments, which make sense to me.
@@mefobills279 No problem. BTW, take one thing I said with a grain of salt, though:
I asserted that the 5.7x28 *might* have more "stopping power" (a somewhat nebulous term) than a .45 ACP, even though Ian said the terminal ballistics were poor. I just did a little more research, and supposedly, it doesn't actually penetrate as far in ballistic geletin as desired (although I was under the imoression that it was tested and found at least adequate back when it was new - in short my sources contradict each other).
@@jeffbenton6183 Not necessarily effective range, but range with insignificant drop. It would mainly depend on how experienced the shooter is at using the weapon and longer ranges and learning the trajectory. A heaver bullet at a lower velocity will have greater stopping power than a lighter bullet at a higher velocity with the same energy. If you google "Taylor KO calculator" and fill in the values for cartridges (or even loadings of the same cartridge) with similar energy levels, but a significantly different bullet weight, you can see this effect. I'm not sure why the projectile would tumble as the barrel in the P90 has a fast twist rate of 1:9.1 which is enough to stabilize projectiles that weigh up to 70 grains which is a lot more than the normal ~30 grain bullet for 5.7x28mm. Why do you say that rifle rounds tumble? This is usually not the case unless you use a bullet that is too heavy for the given rifling twist rate of the barrel.
You guys gotta be Americans, yeah? I'm Canadian... I held a gun once in my 20s, and it made me tingle. Just never brought up around this stuff. You all know the lingo and shit I didn't even know existed until I was at least 18. I literally thought "handguns shoot these bullets, rifles shoot these bullets, the end" - lol. Embarrassing really, especially at my age now.
I definitely think it makes a lot of sense in its original role, less as a weapon to kill enemies with and more as something to suppress them while you run away toward friendly forces. I recall The Chieftain saying in an interview that tankers' weapons are really for that exact purpose, getting you from your damaged tank back to safety so that you can eventually get another tank and rejoin the fight, and in that role the P90 seems perfect since it's compact enough to be kept inside the tank and go in and out of hatches easily and having 50 easily controllable rounds on tap is a big asset in that situation.
I also remember Larry Vickers talking about the MP7, saying that special ops guys he talked to would have to put half a magazine into a guy just to knock them down. Doesn't seem terribly efficient.
@@t4nkychannel921 I'd like to think that I could take 25 rounds from an MP7 before being knocked down, but then again when I stub my toe it basically puts me out of commission.
@@FonicsSuck adrenaline is a hell of a drug
@@t4nkychannel921 and the mp7 was made for the same role. Our Tankers, Logistic Personnel and Pioneers use them
Yeah, way more effective than a pistol while still being relatively compact and lightweight.
In terms of compactness I think the MP7 wins, but in terms of actually shooting it I think the P90 has the upper hand, it's bigger but it's more ergonomic to hold and get accurate shots. Even if your objective isn't to kill the more accurate your shots are the more effective your suppression is.
The P90 is a formidable weapon against the jaffa armor.
what do jaffa eat for lunch? cake.
jaffa cake.
@@viridisxiv766 A Horus guard, a serpent guard and a Setesh guard meet on neutral planet...
@@verdigo1 the serpent guards eyes glow...
@@verdigo1 great joke
@@viridisxiv766 the Horus guard's beak glistens...
theres a stargate somewhere under that sand.
He missed the oportunity to digitially insert one into the background and see if anyone niticed...
@@darransmith32 he stands facing the Great Ring of the gods repelling a group of Ori warriors
The P90 is my favorite "weird plastic gun".
The insane rate of fire combined with the bizarre looks makes it just look like such a fun thing to shoot!
A P90 and a Five Seven. Nice duo, same ammo.
@@JavoCover Sounds awesome but very expensive 🤑
They are super comfortable and ergonomic to shoot as well and very easy to hold on target
Poll: P90 is the aesthetically cutest gun.
all guns are cute and hot
@@reimuhakurei2123 zip 22
@@sovieticdoggo3406 now imagine them in T-Doll form
*Steyr AUG has entered the chat*
@@reimuhakurei2123 the squirrel girl.
"Hey, you in the skirt! Get that target swinging a little!"
-Ian off-camera, probably
A little more.
Ok, step away.
Enter stage - Carter
I always thought that O'Neill was actually pulling a trick there. Carter only had to hold a single aim point and the log, swinging back and forth, just cut itself in two. The Jaffa thought the swinging made the shot harder. 😎
Damn , the SG1 P90 Firing sound is so ingrained in my mind that the real thing kinda sounds disappointing.
Fun fact sg1 actually used the firing sound of an m-16 for the p90
Right! Took the words right outta my mouth.
@@PromethiaSHADOW I didn't know that.
They went with the Armor piercing weapons to deal with the Jaffa?
@@andljoy yep they just reused the sound bytes
I remember getting my hands on one of these in fully-automatic. I had never really been receptive to the "cool factor" that others felt towards it thanks to popular media and whatnot, but just that little bit of range time totally turned me around. I felt it was incredibly pleasurable, accurate, and controllable to shoot and in a surprisingly ergonomic package -- all while being very intuitive to handle.
The funny thing about this is, I live in a Belgian military city/village where the military personnel just casually carry scar's and mp5's I've only seen a p90 once before
not even being foreign the mp5 is also reported being a nightmare at maintenance and overexpensive
@@omnianti0 only the feds have p90's in their trunks
@@anoukvandecandelaere6148 for some reason only the elite forces around the world use the p90
actually, the EOD guys have them (well there where just 2 brand new ones in the armory when i left about 7 years ago and it is my understanding that they got more)
and i know a few guys from the medical corps who have fired them.
There was eaven a picture this weekend in the newspaper (de standaard) where a few where clearly vissible
@@crazy031089 do you have feedback of the shooting because when i handled the airsoft i found it not ergonomic fronthand but all the rest seem straight
SG1 productions used up almost all the blanks ever made.
Yep. That's why in later seasons, they gave Carter that cut-down AR platform rifle - far more blanks available.
@@bobojo37 It was just a few episodes in season 7. And, as cool as it may have looked, that cut-down M4 is so dumb and useless.
Well part of it was that the factories needed to be producing actual rounds, and couldn't spare materials or assembly line capacity on blanks.
Yeah - well Afghanistan and Iraq war changed the requirements of Ammunition factories. Which is a bit of a shame. It penetrates Goa'uld armor and manages to kill them in couple shots. Something that I think M16's (if memory serves, haven't watched it in some time) in first episode have problem with. They still manage to take down couple of Jaffa - but more by volume of fire (armor hit in the same spot more than once?) than by effectiveness.
@@jannegrey593 i think they figured in the first movie they need ap rounds. The first interactions bullets didnt do shit.
Ever since I saw him shoot the m14 full auto... I'm hooked on his range days.
"Hwaaa!"
@@anthonyhayes1267 that battle cry...
Nothing is going to be as insane as full auto m14
The american 180 is also a great video for the opposite reasons
What the hell I never saw that one. I gatta find it!
"This is a weapon of WAR. It's made to kill your enemy."
Who's a better shot with this gun Gun Jesus or Major Samantha Carter ?
I would subscribe to that channel
Sam, she gets in a lot more practice than Jesus.
_This is a Weapon of WAR_ - MacGyver on the P90.
I think you will find the true weapon of WAR is the Winchester automatic rifle /s
Loved that scene. But then Sam does a demonstration severing a tree trunk that is ridiculously impossible.
@@chrismiddleton398 not sure if it is possible with a tree trunk, but I once heard that you can saw a body in half firing a P90. Although it Will probably be a myth. Maybe Ian should test it with a Pig corpse. 😄
"MacGyver on the P90." The gun-hating MacGyver? LOL no.
It's SG-1's Jack O'Neill who said it.
@@onyhow thanks for ruining the joke
On the front hand, rotate it up like you're holding a pistol. Take your thumb out of the trigger guard and rotate it forward. It makes it MUCH more comfortable to shoot.
I kept shouting this at the screen as he was firing it lol
@@monkeespit it must be pretty noisy when firing. SHOUT LOUDER
Never even thought of doing that. I just tried it, and the base of thumb area contacts the bottom of the charging handle, making it quite uncomfortable.
Am I doing it wrong? I can imagine this working fine with gloves on, though.
@@catsspat Roll your hand further forward around the grip.
I see a lot people talking about seeing this weapon first in Stargate, but I think a lot of people forget it was in Metal Gear Solid 2.
It was in the first generations of Counter Strike games before that and if I'm not mistaken it was also in a couple of movies back in the 90s.
N64 Goldeneye for me mate ;-)
@@telinoz1975 A non-fud boomer I see.
This is my favorite gun in most games because it just shoots so well. It's great to see that in real life it does do that as well. I'm surprised how flat it shoots. I do love how they came up with a solution to body armor, but then realized that it doesn't have enough takedown power, so what do they do but just add more bullets. Would love to see you do a 5.7 combo in one of your gun competitions.
Very disappointed there was no firing upon suspended log targets.
Or bikini women shooting them
Expected that scene similar where Sam shows up the Jaffa and there damn staff weapons by obliterating that hanging log with the P90 and there just like "Woah..."
Their damn staff weapons*. They're just like*. Jesus Christ dude.
Hey you, in the skirt! Get that target moving!
Naquida enhanced 5.7 AP rounds can split a log.
"This is a weapon of war....it is made to kill your enemy." - Col Jack O'Neill (and logs on ropes swung by a Jaffa in a skirt)
So he lied.
you say that as i it's a bad thing.
Ian I just want you to know that you are a thoroughly appreciated human being. As a firearms enthusiast, this channel has been an absolute treasure trove of information and resources, and on top of that, quality content. I hope that you will forever hold your place in firearms culture, you magnificent man.
Agreed! He's a legend!
System Lord: Jaffa KRE!
Ian the Tau'ri: 4:43 *brrrrrrrrrrrrrr* "That does hold on target nicely."
Ah yes the iconic workhorse of SG1's adventures. 😉👍 Just need Amanda Tapping as a guest star at the range to complete it! Haha.
I wonder how many of the SG-1 cast ever fired live ammo from a real P90?
@@benjaminshropshire2900 Not sure about true live ammo, but the main cast used real P90s with blanks.
I reckon she'd be up for it, if nothing else, then just for the range time :D
I’ve been a p90 fan since they were given to special forces and interdiction teams during the end of the last millennium. The top loaded magazine was groundbreaking to see.
Law enforcement and spec ops tend to operate a lot in enclosed areas where bringing a longer weapon to bear would take too long, or would be impossible due to the room available. Additionally, the P90 has a relatively 'intuitive' aim, especially at short range which is not unlike pointing a finger. This helps get bullets on target faster. Also, in spec ops operations at close quarters, they are not necessarily aiming to take someone out immediately, esp at the cost off ammunition and giving away position, but even if it doesn't penetrate far, a hit will distract a target long enough to incapacitate by other means. Worn with a shoulder strap makes it relatively easy to let swing and reacquire if need be, opening up multiple engagement options.
This weapon isn't common in law enforcement.
Also, the people who actually use weapons tend to use them in ways that ignore dogma, such as the belief that a long barrel adds anything but bulk. The people who don't really use the weapons, but instead carry them and talk about them, tend to be the ones defending obsolete features like 20 inch barrels.
problem is.....it's piercing things. Law enforcer want somethings that stop. like .45 or 9,10mm.
5.7 if miss can penetrate wall or people and hit innocent people. that why MP7 P90 not so much popular among ordinary police. also ammo is expensive. most set up or patrol police is OC spray, taser, glock 19 or 17 (weirdly glock 34) Patrol Rifle M16 or shotgun mostly Rem870.
in some state police have MP5, it's 9mm. you have plenty of those (Utah Police mag dumps MP5 to stop car chase)
@@MutheiM_Marz 4.6 only has excellent penetration against soft body armor. 10mm would probably go through a lot more walls and still be fatal. It's popular for bears.
@@MutheiM_Marz "By 2009, the P90 was in use with over 200 law enforcement agencies in the United States, including the Secret Service and Federal Protective Service."
Even SWAT uses them. They don't penetrate much. The rounds penetrate body armor but they are not likely to overpenetrate, they tumble on impact.
Also, because of the low projectile weight, they lose power very rapidly beyond their effective range of 200m. If you miss with this weapon (which is already very easy to aim and has a very flat trajectory), you likely won't do any collateral damage.
RCP90 from N64 Goldeneye.
Holds up decades later.
goldeneye taught me that the way to use this weapon is single handed, fired from the hip, while simultaneously firing a grenade launcher single handed from the left hand
Then the RCP120 in Perfect Dark
@@booradley1138 brrrt, bloop, brrrt, bloop...
Two of these babies dual wielded and fired continuously for about ten minutes yields about 12,000 rounds...😂
classic!
"It was compact - less than a shoulders' width, lightweight - thanks to its modern materials, with high capacity magazines, and that all-important armor-piercing capability. FN had one seriously impressive weapon on offer. All they had to do now was get people to use it."
- Ahoy
Ammunition being $2 per trigger squeeze doesn't help it at all.
@@JeepWranglerIslander To be fair, that is less of an issue for a goverment that put in an order for millions of rounds.
The sights look eye ball friendly.
@@JeepWranglerIslander wdym, that helps it a lot. There’s nothing governments like to do more than spend as many taxpayer dollars as possible on the military
I hate how people dismiss the fact that its just a 22 wmr with a pointy bullet
So nice to see someone holding that properly. I have seen so many videos of right-handed "experts" shooting the P90 and PS90 with the left hand anywhere except where it belongs.
As a PS90 owner, thank you.
where else would someone put their hand ¿
Small package, light weight, high magazine capacity, accurate, minimal body damage from impact. It's no wonder why security forces have easily adopted the platform.
FN-P90… my weapon of choice against Wraith, Goa‘uld and Ori! ;)
What about Daleks?
@@sandemike It's cricket bats for Daleks.
7.62 NATO fired out of an FAL does not play well with most creatures.
@@Easy-Eight Fair enough! :D
@@Vanastar Or big spanners.
Ok... Hear me out... Another SG-1 parody, like how Garand Thumb made, but we add Ian to the team. He has that Daniel-ish kind of vibe.
would talk about weapons from season 1 episode 1 till season 123456 last episode without repeating i thing twice.
Daddy Thumb made an SG1 parody?
@@chrisloUSA The intro for his P90 vid, yup lol
and thats just weapons built on planet earth.....:D:D:D:D
If they make a new Stargate series, Ian should be the leader of another SG team that saves SG-1s backside on a mission. 😁
I'm a year late and a dollar short, and maybe someone has talked about this already, but I think its form factor and aesthetics are a major appeal to the purchasing agencies. Not just the obvious "looks nice" aspects, but that it looks less threatening, which can be useful in a security role until someone needs it aimed at them, and that it has very few snag points, which is nice for something that may be tucked in your jacket. Add that with its small size and low weight.
Was actually lookin forward to this since yesterday...nice set up
Just not the same Ian without a vintage military hat on.
If he was wearing a military hat while shooting this, it'd *have* to have a special Å patch.
Disappointed in the lack of SG1 cosplay. Still a great video as always!
"Ah, Me own little slice of Belgian Mayhem!" ~Mr Foster, Killing Floor 2.
In your previous P90 video I left a comment wondering if there was a personal issue you had with it I'm glad that my question was answered in this video with regards to your concerns about the weapons practicality/utility in regards to the trade off between armor penetration and target damage.
A glimpse into the future from the 1990s.
*Laughs in G11*
@@cptpayday2080 *AAI CAWS scowls from shadows and disappears into the jungle*
@@JimBrodie *AN-94 watching silently from the void.*
This and the vector are such cool looking guns imo.
The P90 is way cooler than the Vector in both looks and effectiveness.
@@stevenbobbybills Vector has zero recoil also and has a faster rate of fire, would the armor penetration of the P90 really make it more effective? Or do you just prefer it over the vector because it looks cool?
@@stevenbobbybills nah Vector any day
@@_wanted_outlaw3007 watch InRangeTV's video on it. The recoil reduction technology doesn't work as advertised and the higher rate of fire is a liability when you have smaller magazines.
@@ClockworkAnomaly see above.
Your channel is great! Thanks for all the cool history and details you put into these videos. Very cool!
Checked comments for SG1 references and was not disappointed.
“IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BACKSWING!!??!?”
Look, it was the first SG-1 quote that came to mind, and I wanted to beat the crowd. 😂😉
Indeed, you did well!
It is a lovely quote from a delightful scene in a highlarious episode.
That was one of my favorite episodes. Their version of a time loop was executed really well. You could tell they had fun with it. lol
The dislikes must have come from remnants of Goa'uld upper echelon.
Ba'al and his clones guaranteed.
@@lars573 Ba'al? As in Bocci? 🤣🤣
Otherwise known as The Trust.
@@ricojes Not totally. Athena was one of the trust.
huh, not that many left at this point... SG1 was very effective in cutting their numbers down.
wish you had a second camera pointed at the target so we could see the groupings.
Love this video as I love all of your videos. This one brought me back to some of the N64 nostalgia with Goldeneye.
This seems like it would be good for tank crews. Compact package and a longer effective range than a pistol or 9mm smg
this seems good for kindergardencop :D
@@Schmitti1982 D:
It's only slightly shorter then modern bullpup AR with short barrel and tank crews would be better off with MP7 or similar type of SMG. You can argue about *the 5.7x28 round* pros and cons, but as a weapon itself without pros of the round, P90 has only cons. It's an evolutionary dead end.
In a tank you need something that ejects out the vehicle and not spill the brass on the ground. But yes, definitely something for tight spaces. Less tunnel rats work these days.
@@onpsxmember It's not for inside a tank - PDWs are for when the crews ditch their tanks due to being disabled....
This is my all time favorite pdw. I want to get my hands on one of these so bad
Fantastic for CQB
Actually, this did result in a very dramatic change in the characteristics of the 5.7mm round so modern cartridges arguably approach the lethality of most 9mm rounds or so it seems from ballistic gel tests. In return said rounds are no longer a threat to a decent body armor but that's the compromise you make in order to get a light cartridge do all this.
True.
The amount of Stargate jokes and references gives me hope that the flame hasn't die out
Why should New Vegas fans have all the fun in the comments section?
hold on are you talking of the Fires in Celestis
@@HrLBolle : Not unless you have the hots for Adria. 😋
@@hawkeye5955 don't like her on bit, even less then BA`AL if you can believe it.
but the Ori when first encountered by Daniel where shown to appear as a wall of Flames.
so I'm referencing an early point
Hmm, need to bring in a Paul Harrel certified meat target with a Russian equivalent vest... Wonder if the 5.7 has enough zip to punch through the back of the vest, or it ricochets of the back and zzg zags through 'oranges simulating lung tissue'.
Jaffa Kre'!
Russia never made the specific armor this was designed to defeat. You can use it against any armor for your test.
I'm guessing Oxide has a Russian vest or 2 that would be era appropriate for when this was developed
Paul Harrel already did the 5.7 against the meat and oranges, but from the FiveseveN. It did OK.
I think he did, albeit using the bluetip rounds, which are 2-300 fps slower out of respective firearm (than 198LF or 190SS black tips), and another 2-300 fps slower than out of a P90. One of the greatest sins with 5.7 reviewers is the lack of looking at ammo; blue tips are essentially .22 Magnums, while green-tips are quite faster, with a harder core.
I haven't seen black tips, as of yet in a review; likely due to their legality; but they're the round that Ian talks about that would just zip through. The others cause some pretty crazy tumble effects.
@@ryanj610 He did SS197 and SS195 or SS198, don't recall which. They did as expected, 197 fragged, 195/8 tumbled. I have some black tips, the steel pill inside is hardened and they punch through things you don't expect them to. If you hunt around the internet, you can find a picture of a guy who was shot in the belly with a 197, the resulting wound and surgical repair will turn your stomach a bit. I have a PS90 SBR and a first gen FiveseveN. The PS90 is my house gun, super handy with that silly barrel cut to the proper length, but the FiveseveN is a range toy for me. I see the advantage of both sharing ammo, but the round really does the best from 10"+ of barrel.
If they’re good enough for the SCP Foundation MTFs then I’ll take one
I'm 90% sure that MTFs use them because the authors are nerds who watched Stargate. I mean that would be the reason if I ever wrote anything.
SCP Foundation 'I learned it from watching YOU' to Stargate dad XD
they arnt smart their scope is on backwards, though they are the perfect "scp gaurd" gun gotta say, just gotta fit the scope right man come on how did they mess that up
Ian only fired one magazine in this entire video... The joys of a 50round standard magazine.
Though I was a little disappointed not to see a 50 round mag dump :D
It's great to see a truly ambidextrous fire arm. Top marks to FN on this one
So, now having experience with both the P90 and the MP7, do you still like the P90 over the MP7? And would you prefer to ultimately take the MP5 over either of those?
I've shot both the P90 and an MP-5 personally I prefer the MP-5, although I've never had the chance to shoot an MP-7. I do like the 5.7mm round though, it's a very flat shooting accurate round, with very low recoil.
@@KamikazKid One is ergonomics wetdreams, the other is plastic.
But only one of them will fit in the pant leg of your secret service suit, and punch through Kevlar at 100.
And only one of them can be suppressed properly, or god forbid, reloaded without feeling like you have 5 thumbs.
@@ryanj610 funny sci fi gun go brrrr
been waitimg for this for a long time
P90 - or as it is known in layman's terms: the goa'ould killer
To illuminate the USG Black Ring Sight or the original White Ring Sight you can get the REM T3 units. They attach right onto the rifle via the sling well. It really helps with illuminating the cross hairs in any light setting.
As the great Stoner taught us: lots of little bullets works better than a couple of big bullets.
Uncle Sam never had to change training to burst fire qualifications.
Big bullets kill you with one shot
I was arguing with someone on a Brownells video the other day who couldn't accept that carrying 600 rounds of 5.56 NATO might be a better option than carrying 250 rounds of 7.62 NATO.
No, he taught us that lots of bullets just big enough to do the job are preferable to a couple oversized ones.
@@zoyuomg5934 small bullets can too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think the compactness is a major reason special ops and security units are interested in this. During my platoon leader training it became very obvious really soon that in vehicles on convoy patrol or when going into buildings or doing stuff like crawl through canalization pipes to get to a covert access, compactness of your gear does actually matter a lot. I doubt they use it because of the ammo count or cartridge. It works, its easy to use, and it's insanely compact. It think those were the main criteria for those guys.
Love this channel. Can't have any of this in the UK, but the P90 is on my list of 5 guns to experience when I get over to the USA on day.
I've known about this gun for a long time and it's my favorite gun and only today did i find out that it has a progressive trigger. So thanks Ian, I love this gun even more now
I have 2. I'll give you 1 since it's your favorite gun
I own a semi auto PS90. Always wanted to get a chance to blast away with one that's fullauto. Also, never knew it was a progressive trigger.
"50 round mag dump" makes me drool.
@@dcurry7287 And makes my wallet cry.
I've never been much of a gun person. But out of every gun I've seen Ian shoot the P90 is the one I'd want to own. Or PS90 in this case.
I shot a full auto P90 in Vegas and I didn't even know it was progressive. I just squeezed and dumped.
I hear you can drop in a trigger group and make it more fun. I wouldn't though.
5.7x28 is one of those cartridges where the good loadings and bad ones are worlds apart. ss198 is alot more effective terminally than the ss197 for instance
Whereas the bulk of readily available, mass market ammo for today's 9mm, .45, .40, .357 SIG and so on usually performs acceptably against human targets.
Seeing Ian shooting the P90 makes me happy, by the fact that the majority of videos that you find about the gun is about the semi-auto version, not the full. It's my favorite SMG/PDW
Just gotta say im super thankful for this video series. Been low key obsessed with this gun for years after i saw it in a video game and looked up how it works.
Great information. Very cool seeing one fired for real instead of whatever media thinks it can get away with portraying.
It's definitely a radical, if strange gun that was a product of changing times and unique requirements. It was a gun ahead of its time that was meant for a future war tomorrow that never came. As weird as the gun is, you got to admit, the P90 is still an excellent package for what it was designed to do, and to think it was ALMOST adopted until Germany vetoed it over the MP7 not being adopted, resulting in neither one becoming standard. My favorite source of information video-wise has to be the one Ahoy did, if you haven't seen it. I'd definitely recommend it. In general, the primary innovation of the P90, as well as the Five-seveN, and the competing MP7, is not the weapons themselves (as cool as they are in themselves), but the cartridges they fire. The whole concept was to have this dinky, itty-bity ass round that can be fired from either a PDW or pistol that was meant to accommodate said PDW, and while very low power in terms of ballistic effectiveness, was designed to be rifle-like in form, meaning they travel at a crazy high velocity compared to similar sized standard sub caliber cartridges, and defeat body armor where other cartridges of the same size would do jack shit against armor. It was excellent on paper back in the late 80s when the fear of Russians wearing body armor was still a thing, before the fall of the wall, though today doesn't really hold up. BUT, these weapons may once again have their spotlight decades from now when we're not fighting insurgents and such. Who knows. But we got some pretty cool weapons out of the whole concept.
@@Seeker-wq8jc You think weapons like this might be relevant in a conflict between two modern national forces?
Now that Ive owned firearms and purchased ammunition this seems like the specialized ammunition and mechanism might not translate into industry as well as more common firearms.
Im a canadian so im not familiar at all with military weapons but dont most modern assault rifles have some penetration power as well? Like perhaps not as effective vs. body armor but maybe splitiing the difference with cover penetration and ease of mass production vs. the p90 would have us use something that shoots NATO rounds?
Praised be this day, I got to a gun Jesus video 3 minutes after it got uploaded!
Lord hear our press check...
How good is it at shooting low resolution polygon models of sean bean?
I've yet to see a deadly weapon incapable of hitting Sean Bean, polygon or not, firearm or not
While I appreciate all the Stargate references, I would just like to note my great appreciation for this gun when stopping the T rush on B in Dust2 - CS:GO vets will understand
"CS:GO Vets" shit, I used the P90 in whatever beta version it was introduced. Am I now eligible for senior discount?
@@shivalah beta 3.0, we'd want to get discounts playing for over 20yrs
Interesting weapon and thanks for the demo!
I have a poor man's version. The High Tower Armory 90/22 bullpup chassis for a Ruger 10/22 rifle. It's great fun and 22LR is a heck of a lot cheaper than 5.7. People enjoy shooting it at our 2A4E Diversity Shoots.
I had to look up the gun you're talking about and I can't help but call it "FN F2000 at home"
This video dropped three minutes ago and it's five minutes long, how can anyone be criticizing it already?
People watching it at 2x speed?
Time Machine, duh.
I see no negative criticism thus far in the like/dislike ratio. I just gave the 209th thumbs-up and there are 0 thumbs-down. Praise be unto Gun Jesus.
Gun-Judas is watching, lurking, waiting to downvote.
Some get early access through patreon.
The camera angle and position really helps us see how controllable the P90 is, a real feature for all kinds of roles.
Sick & Cool. Mad respect for the designers for FNP90.
The best weapon for entering Bombsite B on Dust 2
I find it works best for rushing site A attackers. Flash then rush and you'll normally kill 2-3 attackers if they are there, but you will die. Its good for giving a numerical advantage to your team by taking the initiative from the attackers. Plus they call you p90 noob, but that should be interpreted as a compliment, drink the tears of your enemies.
@@cubiusblockus3973 good teammates are hard to find
But if they're good , it definitely worjs
@@sannidhyabalkote9536 I tend to have more faith in my team mates than they have for themselves.
I usually top the score, but not always, but the whole time i'm saying "we got this", "good shot, bro", "bad luck man, you'll defo get him next time" and passing on information whilst im dead, co-ordinating the team. COMMUNICATION and POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT IS KEY!
I find most of the ladder team play is filled with toxic good players, but because they all act like alphas their ego gets in the way of doing good for the team.
They all think they are the best thing since sliced bread, but in reality, they are Rambos, one man armies. If you can direct them, give them adequate information, they are unstoppable as long as you keep keep thier egos to a minimum and push them to destroy their target.
Minimize or eliminate all negetivity within the team and co-ordinate them, and they will go great. DO NOT CRITICIZE, REINFORCE THE GOOD THINGS THEY DID!
I very often get compliments, not on my skill, but my ability to co-ordinate the team.
@@cubiusblockus3973 me: *proceeds to team flash the entire team
@@Shepard_AU LOL,LOLOL,LOL..... Once you figure out these flashes your gameplay will improve 100x fold, you have been relying mostly on your reactions, but the more you play without them, you're observing gameplay. so once you master the flash rush, you should be able to read other gameplay through observing other players on your team after you die.
The whole point of flash rush is to hold until you know you have more than 2 players pushing your point though audible queues. like steps. Push anyway though after you flashed, you will kill more than 2.
Less than 2 players pushing the point you are holding, you grenade and smoke spam, and only push out when you think they unexpect it.
"This is a weapon of war. It's made to kill your enemy"
..I can already hear the legions of Jaffa asking how it compares to a Ma'Tok staff.
Hail Chancellor Martok of the Klingon Empire!
Aargh! wrong franchise!
P90 at the range: "..and we'll have fun,fun,fun till her daddy takes her T-Bird awwaayy..".
I was brainstorming a locked-breech bullpup with AR parts... Basically flip the reciever 180 with a hole where the charging handle is and a re-positioned ejector, make the recoil spring concentric to the barrel, and at the gas block have a semi-concentric short-stroke piston unlock the bolt carrier via a connecting rod holding the recoil spring and bolt (carrier) together. It would end up wider than a standard AR, but all that width would be behind the trigger/pistol grip. Make a compact magazine well/trigger assembly out of polymer to lock into the standard pins now on top of the gun and a long connecting rod to the new trigger like we see here. Only ergonomic difference would be a normal AR mag sticking out the top, but that would basically be part of the buttstock assembly as it is inches from the rear of the reciever, thus tucked neatly into the shoulder. Polymer shell over most of it and BAM, no compromise, partially off-the-shelf parts, rifle-caliber bullpup. Configurable in any cartridge the AR platform can take.
Jet: incoming from Ian's six*
Ian: dumps the rest of mag down range*
Jet: "vibe check passed, have a nice day."
My view on the whole use by special forces and paramilitary is that they are effectively support troops.
Special forces doing covert ops don't want to get into a firefight. Look at the commando raids into the French coast in WW2, many came ashore only with pistols. A rifle would not have helped them any better.
As for paramilitary and police. Those protecting buildings and landmarks have to carry these weapons all day. Yes, in the moment a larger rifle would likely be better, but the actual chance of an attack is so very low. Even here in London, its years between attacks and the London Bridge attack was with machetes. Not downplaying the seriousness of the attack though, it was bad.
To prevent attacks at certain targets often requires the optics of presence. Having a weapon which is easier to carry for longer periods of time means that officers are likely to spend more time in visible areas.
Just my thoughts.
Exactly this.
So many people get their impression of Special Forces from Predator or Rambo. Special Operations units are not designed to assault defended positions that a role better suited for infantry & armour units. Even high value target raids make up a small fraction of their time. Most special operations missions are meeting local forces, keeping their efforts coordinated, and gathering intel. For these missions, a handy carbine or PDW is much preferred over a full-sized battle rifle or light machine gun.
@@benjaminb505 You just described the Green Berets. Rangers are shock troops, Delta is a little bit of everything, Seal teams also do a little bit of everything. Combat air controllers are heavily armed medics, Marine recon is self explanatory.
Honestly I don't think people assume spec ops are anything like what you see in rambo or predator.
Now you are correct in that they aren't meant for some aspects of combat, hence special forces. Forces designed and trained for a singular purpose, the scalpel of the military.
As for recon and intelligence units the US military alone has a lot of those excluding socom units. As for weapons, truth be told SF units can use whatever they feel is needed for the mission.
@@Predator42ID Well, Rangers aren't generally Special Operations- they're SOF-capable elite light infantry. Combat Air Controllers are not "heavily armed medics", that's a very imperfect description of Pararescue. They're combat air traffic controllers, generally attached to infantry, recon, or SOF. By the very nature of special operations work, all of these forces must be able to perform a variety of roles outside of their primary mission, and for
So then, yeah, Delta Force & SEAL teams may do more HVT raids & direct action counterinsurgency, but they're generally not going into heavy fights as a primary role.
@@Predator42ID i stopped writing my previous comment midstream because i realised it wasn't worth it. Just sign up for ISOF if you want to know more.
@@benjaminb505 Specifically speaking about U.S. Army 75th Ranger Regiment, they fall under United States Army Special Operations Command, not Big Army.
I had the opportunity to shoot a select fire P90 a couple of months ago. Besides the weird progressive trigger, it was a great experience: light, compact, ergonomic, accurate and soft shooting.
Having just shot the FN2000 beforehand (stapler like trigger and malfunctions galore), it made me appreciate a lot more the P90.
oh DUDE! when I saw the p90 video I wanted so badly to see you fire it and a day or two later youtube recommended what I wanted to see from you... oh man this is pre-watch but you are a god damn badass
edit: after watching this I still love the p90 just even more so now, also I liked how you explained a bunch about it as well all in all this was an amazing watch
Imagine being a Russian paratrooper dropping behind enemy lines only for a trucker to unleash 50 angry armor piercing hornets into their chest from a gun the size of a bottle of vodka.
No amount of vodka could help you survive this
Nothing is as vital and vulnerable as a supply line, so if you want to drop paratroopers on them and suddenly they are faced with high-speed automatic fire coming from everyone from the S4 down to the cook...all of a sudden disrupting supply lines becomes a different proposition.
“‘Rush B?’ Rush THIS!”
Welcome back to another episode of Frenchgate Fg-1!
More like Belgiumgate BG-1! :P
Herstalgate Hg-1
Regardless of the round's characteristics (it's still truckin' downrange really fast), I love this weapon. Thanks for the review!!
Just watched The Tomorrow War, where it looked like they used some rifle version of the P90. Good timing? Enjoying the content and keep the good work up.