I initially ordered a Revel back in 2017 but I finally got to see one I was disappointed in how small the drawers were and was not impressed with the seating and minimal storage. I cancelled the order and having found the Russos, ordered a Hymer Aktiv. When it finally came in the dealer was having a lot of trouble fixing all the faults and the local RAM dealer smoked the main ECM and said it would be at least two months to get a replacement. Cancelled the Hymer and ordered a Travato GL which I bought. It was good for travelling and I loved the Volta system and storage but not the RAM or the placement of the Volta battery. Used it for a year and a half then sold it and built a removable camper into a F150 4x4 which I'm now using for off-road capability. Loved the reviews of the Storyteller Modes but was fearful of all the Mercedes problems. I kept hoping they would produce Modes on the Quigley Transit as initially planned but when STO finally announced the Mode LT I ordered one a few minutes after the announcement. When it arrives, I will be selling my house and moving in. Hoping that I'm not too old at 76 to live the Van Life and that the LT is more reliable than the Sprinters. Plan to do a lot of fly fishing, traveling and boondocking. Homebase will be my daughter's driveway in Vancouver WA. Interesting that the Russos have an LT on order, too.
@@one1servant In September 22. Like most other Mode LT owners, I really like the Transit and have built underbed storage. Also enjoying its versatilty.
Thanks for this and other great video(s). I like how you cover a lot of ground in a clear, level-headed way. I was going to buy a 130" WB, MR Ford Transit Cargo van to have someone modify as a camper. Ford just stopped making them. Now I am not sure what I'll do. Your videos are helpful in many ways. I learned a lot from you, whether I end up getting either or neither of these two options. Since you asked, I'd probably get the Storyteller built on a Ford chassis. I want to have a vehicle that can be repaired just about anywhere.
That power supply on the STO is simply amazing. For us in Canada we cannot import the STO yet, but we can for the Revel. Also the Mercedes warranty disappears as soon as we do register either one in Canada. Such a gongshow for people who just want to explore North America in a Class B 4x4.
Weird, I keep a stealth and my brother his beast up on vancoov island, we left them there as I went to TX last week to pickup new 2022 Daihaty Hijet haha, xxs vanlife! Just box for around the ranch and town! For reg our vans are all reg in tx, az, sd, that we have N of border. For in usa daughter just brought her '22 series 70 over, she owns a ranch down in mxo for the beef for her restaurants and food trucks in her locale. Her new ranger raptor and jimny are also reg down there but are currently at her home in TX. So loops can be found, Ive had my original R32 GTR I bought new in Japan as a teen, then years later a s15 silvia while I was stationed there, brought to aus, then nz, then socal. My second 15, went from socal, and resides at our prop in vancity! If folks want bad enough, theyll find ways! I still miss my vario hahaha
@@TheGoodTheBadTheRowdy Amazing !! This was exactly my plan to have it registered in Texas. I asked around to see if anybody had done it but nobody that I knew had yet. Thanks for the insight !
I own a Storyteller Classic Mode that’s been modified (VanCompass 4.3 Suspension, Owl Rear Tire carrier and B2 Rack with large box, Warn EVO 12S winch, ARB twin compressor, Lightforce lights, Renntech HHT, PedalControl, and a bunch of interior mods) and I can tell you from personal experience that Talon is completely right when he talked about the buying/ownership experience. When we bought our van we had an issues with the Mercedes Benz chassis on the second day. We had to get towed to a dealership and had to stay in a hotel. That evening I got a call from the VP of STO to make sure we were okay and if we needed anything. I can guarantee you that NOBODY from Winnebago will be calling you when you’ve got an issue. The bathroom was a big issue for us when we first started to look for a van and we actually had a deposit on a 4x4 Winnebago BOLDT because of it having the Volta system (This is a MAJOR difference between the STO and Revel), but after actually looking at some Winnebagos in the dealership we switched to the Storyteller. We took care of the toilet issue by upgrading to a Wrappon Green. This was a great comparison by Talon and hopefully it will people make a more informed decision.
Have a Storyteller Classic on order. Your videos have cemented in my mind that I made the right decision. Initially was looking at the Revel and discovered the Storyteller through CZcams videos comparing the two. Your series of videos on the Storyteller have been the best, I learned more about the van by watching them.
I'd probably go with the StoryTeller Classic or Stealth, and do a few mods to get it where I wanted it. Though in reality I'd probably have to buy a used Chevy/GMC/Ford cargo van and build my own "SatVan", to make it economically feasible, lol. Great vid as usual Talon~
Awesome video and comparison! I actually bought my van from watching your earlier videos of you trekking through the U.S. (The Death Valley video was great and scary so we had to go, too!) After checking out the Revel and others, we decided to go with a Thor Tranquility and modify it ourselves. The price difference between the two was a huge factor (roughly 80K) and with that difference we upgraded the heck out of it with lithium (the Thor had AGM batteries but we kept the generator which works out great), off road suspension, Nomadic AC, Owl stuff and tons of other things. Next is a bumper and winch. Yet we are way under the Revel price.
Planning on buying the base Mode then having Owl turn it into the Ultimate Beast - he even has rear locker now (soon). And he’ll hook you up with 35’s and awesome wheels too. Anyway, that’s my dream. Going to take a year or so to realize. Super video as usual Talon…say hi to Mike for me!
I’m sold on the Revel for the Bathroom/storage. Also, I’m not a fan of Murphy beds but I might spend the money later on for a custom Outside Van. Great video and keep living your Dream Talon. Dave
Great comparison! I checked out STO at Overland Expo West and I was very impressed! I’ve been eyeing that Mode LT, it would be a perfect platform for me.
We're maybe 3-4 years out from retirement and 5-7 years away from selling up everything and then moving on out around the US, down through central America and maybe through South America. I've only just started looking at these vans and your video is perfect and will go a long way to helping us chose. Right now, I am interested in a Beast but I am a recent subscriber to your channel and look forward to seeing what you get up to. Maybe after watching a few channels, I'll make a decision
Really well done comparison 👏 between the two vans. Kept me entertained and awake as i go through my ppt for a meeting next week. 👍 If money wasnt an option, either your SAT van modified as you have it or the Storyteller Beast.
For me, the Revel would be my first choice. I like separation of bathroom and shower. I would just invest in customizing they way I want. I do agree with Talon Sei, The openness of the storyteller is very nice.
Thanks Talon for this comparison video and the recent Stealth videos. (Actually for all your videos) In the past 5 years ,we have driven ,rented and talked to multiple campervan owners and convertors. We owned a VW Eurovan campervan for about 10 yrs also. We want a vehicle that can go on some rougher forest roads that we have in Oregon and the PNW. We debated about Revel vs Storyteller and decided to wait to see if Storyteller would build on the Transit . When they announced in July 2021 that this would occur we put our deposit down. (Still don't know when we will get it). The Mode LT clicked for us secondary to liking gas more than diesel, having more locations to get work performed, had all wheel drive, liked the open interior with the halo shower and can run the A/C off the batteries for a number of hours. This was important to allow us to hike on some trails that prohibit dogs esp in National Parks while our boxer and lab can chill in the van. Thanks again for all your effort in getting informational videos out to us!
Super good insight. Live out of it, Revel. Play/work out of it, Storyteller. I have a Revel and I use it for Play/work, and you nailed it - it's better for living... I wish I would have bought a Storyteller for my lifestyle! Now, to get on the Storyteller list!
I would agree emphatically, Storyteller. I like the multi-use functionallity. Thats exactly how I built my '17 4x4. I will be copying the shower and adding my microwave overhead behind the driver.
I’ve been wanting a Revel or something similar for years now, I’d do most of the things you’ve done to your Revel and the Canyon Adventures garage add ons are a total must! Plus your Revel looks badass and is far more functional than stock (obviously). The only downside is that the interior is small and segmented and I really like open vans, especially if you’re going to live in it for weeks, months or years on end, it just feels like it’d be cramped. The Jayco that Mike from LLOD had before he got his new van had a great layout but you don’t get the capabilities of something like the Revel. There’s just so many damn options that it’ll make your head spin. But if you sell the Revel, I’d probably have to put a bid on it if you were to get into something new and if that were to be an option. Love the content, long time sub! Keep up the great work and Stay Frosty! 🤘🏼😎🤘🏼
The Jayco Terrain or Entegra Launch are actually way more capable than the Revel. 3x bigger lithium system. On board air compressor. Upgrade sway bar and shocks. Front light bar. Rear passenger seats both slide forward, recline, and spread apart to give passengers more room. Mercedes chassis is full spec’d out with 360-degree camera, power, heated, and memory front seats, all of the safety features, etc. The kitchen countertops extend to give you more prep space. There are several other items I haven’t listed.
@@calebwalters3096 I wouldn’t say they’re “more capable” they have minor differences but they’re both capable because they’re on the exact same chassis. I looked at the Jayco Terrain and the quality of the 2 I looked at were very bad and the Entegra Launch is just a rebranded Jayco since Jayco owns Entegra and falls under the Jayco umbrella. tThe 2 passenger seats are pretty unnecessary and so uncomfortable unless you’re a small child or someone who wants to literally be sitting on the person next to them even with the seats spread out, the memory power seats are an absolute nightmare to flip around and the 144 Sprinter is best for 2 adults or 2 adults and 1 child or dog. I ended up getting a used 2020 Revel that the previous owner did a ton of upgrades to, onboard air front/rear, RoamRig stage 3 lithium upgrade, RIP Kit and other things which for the price I got it at was something I couldn’t pass up and I absolutely love the van.
I'd go for Storyteller. Depending on availability I would chose the classic and modify/customize as needed, but any of the Sprinters would be great. Wasn't a huge fan of the Ford cockpit, but it looks functional as well. The Revel looks really nice too (haven't seen one in person though - the inside anyway). Full time living I think the bathroom could be nice, but think that the hard walls lock in (or out) the usability of the areas around it. The front seating option looks better in the STO, as does the stock garage/bed area. Two categories of purchasers seems a bit short sided, surely there is middle ground between full time living and pure disposable income. It seems perfect for travel nursing - daily driver, to and from/between contracts, exploring new areas while working, and a potential living space if other furnished housing is unavailable. Nice comparison, thanks for all the information and perspective.
Most average people would never consider a $200,000 vehicle a daily driver regardless of occupation. A HUGE majority would say that buying something like this as a secondary vehicle is use of a large disposable income.
I do a lot of bike/paddle board adventure trips and moving up from a truck roof-top tent adventure setup, the only way I could justify was to also make it my daily driver. I am trading in my Colorado ZR2 and bought a Stealth STO (arrives when back off deployment in November) and we shall see if it works as a daily driver. Great set of videos comparing the two vans. Open floor plan and base quality of the build sold my wife and I after looking at both (I will add ARB compressors and off-road suspension, etc to make a semi-Beast out of it, we just like the stealth color way the best).
Great Review! Yup, the shower/toilet is exactly what broke it for me on the Storyteller. I actually had my own version of the "Halo" shower system in my Promaster for the last seven years and my wife was not very amused with it. I just about pulled the trigger on a Revel, but luckily found and bought the Jayco/Terrain AKA Launch instead...way more premium features for the same or less money. What it all boils down to is what makes you happy.
I didn't know Jayco made one of these. You're right, it looks much more refined inside. Winnebago cabinetry has always looked like cheap crap to me. Fine for a 1970 RV, not so fine when you're now spending over $200k for a van.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH That's MSRP, no one pays that, everyone including myself got thier vans waaay cheaper. Although at the moment there's really no haggling on the dealers reduced prices (which are reasonable I guess) due to the fact that this is the last year of the Sprinter 4X4 chasis, and inventory is getting really hard to find. All the chasis remaining are 2021, but are sold as 2022 or 23 as their built.
Saw a Revel for $154K at the recent Springfield (MA) RV Show. Storyteller is the second largest manufacturer of Sprinter 144 4X4 vans in the US (behind Winnebago) and the Transit chassis will be a huge winner for them, their dealer network is growing. The biggest difference right now is that you can actually go to a Winnebago dealer and buy a Revel, if you want a Storyteller, you are probably looking at a 9 - 15 month wait.
Well done assessment! We will be doing weekend warrior/ multiple week trips. We also have pets and would like to spend the day at national parks and with the energy systems for heating and cooling we feel we will be able to leave them in the van during the day without them baking ro freezing. :). We have placed an order for an LT but, don’t expect it for a year or 2. Thank you again for a great review.
I was about to put a deposit down on a STO mode classic 4x4 until they increased the price 20k, I can find jayco terrain/entegra launch and revels for as low as 130k right now brand new, while the STO classic mode is 171k
Thanks Talon, I know a lot of work went into this one! If I had the means I might opt for the turn-key Beast. Things are so crazy right now that I think I'll just stick to modding out my 21 Bronco.
Personally for $200k I would want a nice bathroom. The prices are ridiculous. Let us see what happens with $7 gas and inflation continue for some time.
Great video. Thank you for posting. I've owned both (current STO owner) and agree with your points... there was a quality of build issue I had with my Winnie but that is in the past.
Definitely personal choice, i'm not a fan STO candy color stripes, if I go with the STO it would be Stealth for its grey color and wheels, but for the stealth price I would go for the Revel with steel wheels and modify it to my liking. I like Revel no non sense ready bed and bathroom approach, and certainly the analog stress free LED free switches. Keep it simple approach. Yes Im happy with my Revel which is modded as I go so my principal was luckily low
Based on the prices and features you have mentioned the Story Teller is a no brainer. It's cheaper and has more unique features like Volta system, halo shower, instant hot water and of course the Groove lounge. The Story Teller just seems like outright the better van (without mods) so I'm surprised it is cheaper lol.
Thanks very much for a super video I would love it if the Storyteller came with the bathroom and the cassette toilet, that would be the ticket for me! Great comparison video of my 2 vans that interest me. You are right that the touch screen controls make me nervous!
Thanks for the great videos. I drove the 2023 AWD and 4x4 Sprinter today. I’m pretty well versed on the differences and I think I’ve made up my mind. I’m curious which you would choose to build out? Thanks for any input .
STO LT on order to replace our aging Quigley 4x4 Roadtrek (Chevrolet) which has been bulletproof. I wanted the Ford chassis because dealers and aftermarket parts are available anywhere despite disadvantage of a less capable AWD system. I've also heard of too many "adventures" with other chassis and it's dealers. Hopefully STO will let you compare an LT in the future. Couldn't agree more on fears of integrated electronic controls which can die catastrophically or become obsolete overnight. Isn't that Overlanding 101?? Perhaps GXV merger improve focus on durability. Great vid, thanks.
I wouldn't trade my Chinook Baja for either one. But I would definitely pass on the revel. I had a 2018 Winnebago travato and it was junk.I can elaborate if you want. I boondock 100%, using campgrounds only for dumping tanks.
Nice comparison, thank you. The way I see it, though, if I am going to be setting up a shower/toilet stall, I will stick to my Land Rover. My wife would like us to move up to something more comfortable - for me that means a comfortable dump and a hot shower at any time. But that's just me. A definite plus for the Storytellers is that their sales people don't call the vans "coach" 😛
Wish they could've loaned you the Transit model. I would really like your opinion on that chassis's off-road capabilities and potential. Great video as always Talon.
Talon, thank you for such great content. Are you familiar with Grit Overland, I’m looking at buying a GOAT, any thoughts? I’m not interested in a Mercedes at all.
I was considering a STO but I was told by the Big RV Chain Store that there was a 1.5 year waitlist for getting one. Revels were available in many options and colors. I like the STO much more but the 1.5 year wait was disappointing.
I would get a beast. I went to modify my truck and it's long way road and very hard one financially. So just buy what you need my be cost same even less at the end. As you do modify you do mistake that cost money. But at same time nothing perfect from manufacture, unless you do work with costumes order, like a Sportmobiles.
Classic Mode, maybe even the LT Transit once some mods start coming out. Halo shower is awesome but I'd like if the pan didn't taper off, looks like a good four inches less shower space in an already small space. Intrigued by the new Jayco Terrain, basically looks like a higher quality Revel. However like the Revel it is over $200k, ouch.
I was seriously considering the storyteller but as of July 5th their prices went up 20k on all models. So their base model mode was $157k and is now $175k. This is for all of their vans 2023. Seems alot of people on their facebook group were upset about the price increase because their orders suddenly went up $20k. Many people were frustrated on the facebook post and said they were cancelling their order. Whereas I've seen the winnebago revel, jayco terrain and the entegra launch for as low as $145k. You are getting different things with STO vs terrain,revel & launch but I personally don't think its worth $20k extra.
Great video, there were a lot of great insights about the Stealth in you series. I have a Stealth mode on order. I have a few questions about the bathroom comments you made. You talk about the shower set up in the storyteller taking time to set up. When you showed the bathroom in the revel it had a bunch of shelves for storage. Don’t you have to move those to use the bathroom? What do you do with all the stuff and the shelves when you want to use the bathroom? It seems like that would take a lot more time to fiddle around with?
If I am storing stuff in the bathroom I simply move it to the seat. If I'm not storing anything I just set the shelves on the floor next to the toilet and shower like normal. Even when storing stuff the Revel situation is way more convenient and quicker. I can turn the fan on to let it dry and start driving right after a shower where as the storyteller, it takes more time to setup and pack away and you need to allow a bit of dry time.
@@TalonSei actually it takes very little time to pack up. We just close the cabinet door and get underway. The curtain dries fast or you can pack it back wet. We’ve had out Classic Mode since November of 2020 and use the shower all the time.
I was with a revel on a west coast vacation tour. The revel did everything well. I used the little bath room often ( I´m 6,2"), my cannondale mtb was stored flat and with the wheels removed under the bed. The hole set up was comfortable. When it comes to purchase a sprinter van, I would go with the larger 170´wheelbase like the wbg boldt is, but with no twin-tires in the rear. A wbg revel with 170" wb and 40 inch more cargo room, a larger, longer bed, no flares, would be my with list.
I really like the openness of the storyteller. However, on the resale/used market,I would be hesitant. If someone Had not totally dried the shower area you would rapidly end up with mold/mildew. I am highly allergic, so would be worried that it had not been taken care of properly. There is no absolute way to get rid of mold/mildew if it once starts.
I love the Storyteller, but I want a toilet. I don't live out west so I don't have BLM land. I really want a functional toilet in the van. If someone modified Storyteller with a cassette or natures head toilet, I would do that. But I haven't seen a good toilet in a storyteller. The shower I think is fine. I think the quality in the Storyteller is probably a little better too. So hopefully they will come out with a Ass mode version with a cassette toilet. I wonder if the groove lounge was a foot higher off the ground if that would work. If anyone knows of someone who has a good solution I would love a reply.
Great video. I have a beast on the way, hopefully only 3 more months. I am terrible at building out vehicles, so wanted something I could use out of the box. Living 3 hrs from the ocean and 3 from the mountains makes it a great mobile base camp. Hey it’s cheaper than a beach house :) looking forward to my annual trip out west for some van camping and mountain biking.
The STO was a bit quieter but that’s mainly due to being newer. The build quality is a bit better but I’m sure a STO with 65k+ miles would be similar to my Revel.
Eh we have more sto then wb in our house hold haha, my son just traded up from a revel he had for one season, up to a beast mode haha, he said he never used the shower, and it was wasted space, since his new adv toy trailer was remodeled to house his bicycles, his duke 1290 and 500 EXCF, extra supps for long time away from civilization haha
Great comparison! Makes me glad I chose the Revel. Curious why you chose the Nomadic 12v A/C given you have the Stage 3 RoamRig? I have the same RoamRig upgrade but have not considered 12v A/C.
@@TalonSei Wow.. that's a huge improvement. Which model did you get, 2000 or 3000? And were you able to use the same wires and just move them from the 110vac to 12vdc bus, or was installation more involved?
My one big gripe witht he storyteller beast is the horrible 750 pound carrying capacity. Im traveling with 3, add water and you arent left with much cargo capacity : (
These are luxury vehicles. You gotta pay to play. You can have the same life experiences with an old AWD GM Astro/Safari van for $5k-$8k. There are lots of affordable options if you want to live the life, less luxuriously/less comfortably.
As of 2023 the stealth is 188k, beast mode is 218k, directly from their website. It is getting out of control. These companies are all about how much profit they can squeeze out of the community. It feels like a cash grab at this point.
I personally am committed to MB since they are tried and true. Ford would be my next pick and the promaster dead last. Pro side to the ford chassis would be cheaper maintenance compared to MB, but overall they are not as nice and not as capable.
Hey talon which do you prefer, winnebago revel or storyteller? can i have one free? Also what size skiboards do you recommend im 6’2” and 862lbs Let me know thanks Jack
I installed it to line up the door with the end of the kitchen. It will hold the door open even on steep hills, and its nice to let a little air in without having the entire van wide open.
I initially ordered a Revel back in 2017 but I finally got to see one I was disappointed in how small the drawers were and was not impressed with the seating and minimal storage. I cancelled the order and having found the Russos, ordered a Hymer Aktiv. When it finally came in the dealer was having a lot of trouble fixing all the faults and the local RAM dealer smoked the main ECM and said it would be at least two months to get a replacement. Cancelled the Hymer and ordered a Travato GL which I bought. It was good for travelling and I loved the Volta system and storage but not the RAM or the placement of the Volta battery. Used it for a year and a half then sold it and built a removable camper into a F150 4x4 which I'm now using for off-road capability. Loved the reviews of the Storyteller Modes but was fearful of all the Mercedes problems. I kept hoping they would produce Modes on the Quigley Transit as initially planned but when STO finally announced the Mode LT I ordered one a few minutes after the announcement. When it arrives, I will be selling my house and moving in. Hoping that I'm not too old at 76 to live the Van Life and that the LT is more reliable than the Sprinters. Plan to do a lot of fly fishing, traveling and boondocking. Homebase will be my daughter's driveway in Vancouver WA. Interesting that the Russos have an LT on order, too.
I hope you love it! I have a Storyteller on order as well :)
Did you finally get your camper?
@@one1servant In September 22. Like most other Mode LT owners, I really like the Transit and have built underbed storage. Also enjoying its versatilty.
Thanks for this and other great video(s). I like how you cover a lot of ground in a clear, level-headed way. I was going to buy a 130" WB, MR Ford Transit Cargo van to have someone modify as a camper. Ford just stopped making them. Now I am not sure what I'll do. Your videos are helpful in many ways. I learned a lot from you, whether I end up getting either or neither of these two options. Since you asked, I'd probably get the Storyteller built on a Ford chassis. I want to have a vehicle that can be repaired just about anywhere.
That power supply on the STO is simply amazing. For us in Canada we cannot import the STO yet, but we can for the Revel. Also the Mercedes warranty disappears as soon as we do register either one in Canada. Such a gongshow for people who just want to explore North America in a Class B 4x4.
Weird, I keep a stealth and my brother his beast up on vancoov island, we left them there as I went to TX last week to pickup new 2022 Daihaty Hijet haha, xxs vanlife! Just box for around the ranch and town!
For reg our vans are all reg in tx, az, sd, that we have N of border. For in usa daughter just brought her '22 series 70 over, she owns a ranch down in mxo for the beef for her restaurants and food trucks in her locale. Her new ranger raptor and jimny are also reg down there but are currently at her home in TX.
So loops can be found, Ive had my original R32 GTR I bought new in Japan as a teen, then years later a s15 silvia while I was stationed there, brought to aus, then nz, then socal. My second 15, went from socal, and resides at our prop in vancity!
If folks want bad enough, theyll find ways! I still miss my vario hahaha
@@TheGoodTheBadTheRowdy Amazing !! This was exactly my plan to have it registered in Texas. I asked around to see if anybody had done it but nobody that I knew had yet. Thanks for the insight !
Who told you that the Mercedes warranty expires when you register your RV? Makes no sense. Provide a link for proof of this please.
I own a Storyteller Classic Mode that’s been modified (VanCompass 4.3 Suspension, Owl Rear Tire carrier and B2 Rack with large box, Warn EVO 12S winch, ARB twin compressor, Lightforce lights, Renntech HHT, PedalControl, and a bunch of interior mods) and I can tell you from personal experience that Talon is completely right when he talked about the buying/ownership experience. When we bought our van we had an issues with the Mercedes Benz chassis on the second day. We had to get towed to a dealership and had to stay in a hotel. That evening I got a call from the VP of STO to make sure we were okay and if we needed anything. I can guarantee you that NOBODY from Winnebago will be calling you when you’ve got an issue.
The bathroom was a big issue for us when we first started to look for a van and we actually had a deposit on a 4x4 Winnebago BOLDT because of it having the Volta system (This is a MAJOR difference between the STO and Revel), but after actually looking at some Winnebagos in the dealership we switched to the Storyteller. We took care of the toilet issue by upgrading to a Wrappon Green. This was a great comparison by Talon and hopefully it will people make a more informed decision.
Have a Storyteller Classic on order. Your videos have cemented in my mind that I made the right decision. Initially was looking at the Revel and discovered the Storyteller through CZcams videos comparing the two. Your series of videos on the Storyteller have been the best, I learned more about the van by watching them.
Glad they could help 🤘🏼
You’re right about resale on stock vs mods. Very well detailed, and bias free review...love it! I have an LT on order.
Glad you have an opinion of your own. It’s open minded and never guided. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks Todd 🤘🏼
I'd probably go with the StoryTeller Classic or Stealth, and do a few mods to get it where I wanted it. Though in reality I'd probably have to buy a used Chevy/GMC/Ford cargo van and build my own "SatVan", to make it economically feasible, lol. Great vid as usual Talon~
Great comparison video. Really enjoy the van and truck information. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome video and comparison! I actually bought my van from watching your earlier videos of you trekking through the U.S. (The Death Valley video was great and scary so we had to go, too!) After checking out the Revel and others, we decided to go with a Thor Tranquility and modify it ourselves. The price difference between the two was a huge factor (roughly 80K) and with that difference we upgraded the heck out of it with lithium (the Thor had AGM batteries but we kept the generator which works out great), off road suspension, Nomadic AC, Owl stuff and tons of other things. Next is a bumper and winch. Yet we are way under the Revel price.
Planning on buying the base Mode then having Owl turn it into the Ultimate Beast - he even has rear locker now (soon). And he’ll hook you up with 35’s and awesome wheels too. Anyway, that’s my dream. Going to take a year or so to realize. Super video as usual Talon…say hi to Mike for me!
To be honest I like the SatVan setup even before your upgrades but I like the drivers cabin in the storyteller... As always Good Vid 💯
I’m sold on the Revel for the Bathroom/storage. Also, I’m not a fan of Murphy beds but I might spend the money later on for a custom Outside Van.
Great video and keep living your Dream Talon.
Dave
Great comparison! I checked out STO at Overland Expo West and I was very impressed! I’ve been eyeing that Mode LT, it would be a perfect platform for me.
We're maybe 3-4 years out from retirement and 5-7 years away from selling up everything and then moving on out around the US, down through central America and maybe through South America. I've only just started looking at these vans and your video is perfect and will go a long way to helping us chose. Right now, I am interested in a Beast but I am a recent subscriber to your channel and look forward to seeing what you get up to. Maybe after watching a few channels, I'll make a decision
Really well done comparison 👏 between the two vans. Kept me entertained and awake as i go through my ppt for a meeting next week. 👍 If money wasnt an option, either your SAT van modified as you have it or the Storyteller Beast.
Thanks man! 👍🏻
For me, the Revel would be my first choice. I like separation of bathroom and shower. I would just invest in customizing they way I want. I do agree with Talon Sei, The openness of the storyteller is very nice.
Thanks Talon for this comparison video and the recent Stealth videos. (Actually for all your videos)
In the past 5 years ,we have driven ,rented and talked to multiple campervan owners and convertors. We owned a VW Eurovan campervan for about 10 yrs also. We want a vehicle that can go on some rougher forest roads that we have in Oregon and the PNW. We debated about Revel vs Storyteller and decided to wait to see if Storyteller would build on the Transit . When they announced in July 2021 that this would occur we put our deposit down. (Still don't know when we will get it). The Mode LT clicked for us secondary to liking gas more than diesel, having more locations to get work performed, had all wheel drive, liked the open interior with the halo shower and can run the A/C off the batteries for a number of hours. This was important to allow us to hike on some trails that prohibit dogs esp in National Parks while our boxer and lab can chill in the van. Thanks again for all your effort in getting informational videos out to us!
Super good insight. Live out of it, Revel. Play/work out of it, Storyteller. I have a Revel and I use it for Play/work, and you nailed it - it's better for living... I wish I would have bought a Storyteller for my lifestyle! Now, to get on the Storyteller list!
Glad it was helpful! Hopefully you can get in a STO without waiting 2 years 🙃
I would agree emphatically, Storyteller.
I like the multi-use functionallity. Thats exactly how I built my '17 4x4. I will be copying the shower and adding my microwave overhead behind the driver.
Thanks for the comparison breakdown in these videos
I’ve been wanting a Revel or something similar for years now, I’d do most of the things you’ve done to your Revel and the Canyon Adventures garage add ons are a total must! Plus your Revel looks badass and is far more functional than stock (obviously). The only downside is that the interior is small and segmented and I really like open vans, especially if you’re going to live in it for weeks, months or years on end, it just feels like it’d be cramped. The Jayco that Mike from LLOD had before he got his new van had a great layout but you don’t get the capabilities of something like the Revel. There’s just so many damn options that it’ll make your head spin.
But if you sell the Revel, I’d probably have to put a bid on it if you were to get into something new and if that were to be an option. Love the content, long time sub! Keep up the great work and Stay Frosty! 🤘🏼😎🤘🏼
The Jayco Terrain or Entegra Launch are actually way more capable than the Revel. 3x bigger lithium system. On board air compressor. Upgrade sway bar and shocks. Front light bar. Rear passenger seats both slide forward, recline, and spread apart to give passengers more room. Mercedes chassis is full spec’d out with 360-degree camera, power, heated, and memory front seats, all of the safety features, etc. The kitchen countertops extend to give you more prep space. There are several other items I haven’t listed.
@@calebwalters3096 I wouldn’t say they’re “more capable” they have minor differences but they’re both capable because they’re on the exact same chassis. I looked at the Jayco Terrain and the quality of the 2 I looked at were very bad and the Entegra Launch is just a rebranded Jayco since Jayco owns Entegra and falls under the Jayco umbrella. tThe 2 passenger seats are pretty unnecessary and so uncomfortable unless you’re a small child or someone who wants to literally be sitting on the person next to them even with the seats spread out, the memory power seats are an absolute nightmare to flip around and the 144 Sprinter is best for 2 adults or 2 adults and 1 child or dog. I ended up getting a used 2020 Revel that the previous owner did a ton of upgrades to, onboard air front/rear, RoamRig stage 3 lithium upgrade, RIP Kit and other things which for the price I got it at was something I couldn’t pass up and I absolutely love the van.
I'd go for Storyteller. Depending on availability I would chose the classic and modify/customize as needed, but any of the Sprinters would be great. Wasn't a huge fan of the Ford cockpit, but it looks functional as well. The Revel looks really nice too (haven't seen one in person though - the inside anyway). Full time living I think the bathroom could be nice, but think that the hard walls lock in (or out) the usability of the areas around it. The front seating option looks better in the STO, as does the stock garage/bed area. Two categories of purchasers seems a bit short sided, surely there is middle ground between full time living and pure disposable income. It seems perfect for travel nursing - daily driver, to and from/between contracts, exploring new areas while working, and a potential living space if other furnished housing is unavailable. Nice comparison, thanks for all the information and perspective.
Most average people would never consider a $200,000 vehicle a daily driver regardless of occupation. A HUGE majority would say that buying something like this as a secondary vehicle is use of a large disposable income.
I do a lot of bike/paddle board adventure trips and moving up from a truck roof-top tent adventure setup, the only way I could justify was to also make it my daily driver. I am trading in my Colorado ZR2 and bought a Stealth STO (arrives when back off deployment in November) and we shall see if it works as a daily driver. Great set of videos comparing the two vans. Open floor plan and base quality of the build sold my wife and I after looking at both (I will add ARB compressors and off-road suspension, etc to make a semi-Beast out of it, we just like the stealth color way the best).
awesome comparison, i definitely wish i would have been able to get into the Van world before the prices skyrocketed.
Yes. Same here.
Stealth mode is now $20.000 more😮💨
Great Review! Yup, the shower/toilet is exactly what broke it for me on the Storyteller. I actually had my own version of the "Halo" shower system in my Promaster for the last seven years and my wife was not very amused with it. I just about pulled the trigger on a Revel, but luckily found and bought the Jayco/Terrain AKA Launch instead...way more premium features for the same or less money. What it all boils down to is what makes you happy.
I didn't know Jayco made one of these. You're right, it looks much more refined inside. Winnebago cabinetry has always looked like cheap crap to me. Fine for a 1970 RV, not so fine when you're now spending over $200k for a van.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH That's MSRP, no one pays that, everyone including myself got thier vans waaay cheaper. Although at the moment there's really no haggling on the dealers reduced prices (which are reasonable I guess) due to the fact that this is the last year of the Sprinter 4X4 chasis, and inventory is getting really hard to find. All the chasis remaining are 2021, but are sold as 2022 or 23 as their built.
Saw a Revel for $154K at the recent Springfield (MA) RV Show. Storyteller is the second largest manufacturer of Sprinter 144 4X4 vans in the US (behind Winnebago) and the Transit chassis will be a huge winner for them, their dealer network is growing. The biggest difference right now is that you can actually go to a Winnebago dealer and buy a Revel, if you want a Storyteller, you are probably looking at a 9 - 15 month wait.
Thanks for sharing your your review. Both vans are nice 👍
Well done assessment! We will be doing weekend warrior/ multiple week trips. We also have pets and would like to spend the day at national parks and with the energy systems for heating and cooling we feel we will be able to leave them in the van during the day without them baking ro freezing. :). We have placed an order for an LT but, don’t expect it for a year or 2.
Thank you again for a great review.
@@thedong5383 provided a CC but, no deposit was taken.
Bathroom in the Storyteller is a definite no go.
I was about to put a deposit down on a STO mode classic 4x4 until they increased the price 20k, I can find jayco terrain/entegra launch and revels for as low as 130k right now brand new, while the STO classic mode is 171k
Thanks Talon, I know a lot of work went into this one! If I had the means I might opt for the turn-key Beast. Things are so crazy right now that I think I'll just stick to modding out my 21 Bronco.
Personally for $200k I would want a nice bathroom. The prices are ridiculous. Let us see what happens with $7 gas and inflation continue for some time.
Definitely would choose the rebel cause you can do you own mods to it and pick what you do like
So appreciate your input in this. Too bad you aren't the one making the upgrades to each van choice!
Great video. Thank you for posting. I've owned both (current STO owner) and agree with your points... there was a quality of build issue I had with my Winnie but that is in the past.
"Talk to your therapist about how much you just spent on a van . . ." LMAO!
Definitely personal choice, i'm not a fan STO candy color stripes, if I go with the STO it would be Stealth for its grey color and wheels, but for the stealth price I would go for the Revel with steel wheels and modify it to my liking. I like Revel no non sense ready bed and bathroom approach, and certainly the analog stress free LED free switches. Keep it simple approach. Yes Im happy with my Revel which is modded as I go so my principal was luckily low
Based on the prices and features you have mentioned the Story Teller is a no brainer. It's cheaper and has more unique features like Volta system, halo shower, instant hot water and of course the Groove lounge. The Story Teller just seems like outright the better van (without mods) so I'm surprised it is cheaper lol.
Thanks very much for a super video I would love it if the Storyteller came with the bathroom and the cassette toilet, that would be the ticket for me! Great comparison video of my 2 vans that interest me. You are right that the touch screen controls make me nervous!
Thanks for the great videos. I drove the 2023 AWD and 4x4 Sprinter today. I’m pretty well versed on the differences and I think I’ve made up my mind. I’m curious which you would choose to build out? Thanks for any input .
STO LT on order to replace our aging Quigley 4x4 Roadtrek (Chevrolet) which has been bulletproof. I wanted the Ford chassis because dealers and aftermarket parts are available anywhere despite disadvantage of a less capable AWD system. I've also heard of too many "adventures" with other chassis and it's dealers. Hopefully STO will let you compare an LT in the future. Couldn't agree more on fears of integrated electronic controls which can die catastrophically or become obsolete overnight. Isn't that Overlanding 101?? Perhaps GXV merger improve focus on durability. Great vid, thanks.
Excellent comparison!
Thumbs outside the wheel. Great first time!
Great information. Thanks. I guess I'll have to buy both.
I wouldn't trade my Chinook Baja for either one. But I would definitely pass on the revel. I had a 2018 Winnebago travato and it was junk.I can elaborate if you want. I boondock 100%, using campgrounds only for dumping tanks.
Nice comparison, thank you.
The way I see it, though, if I am going to be setting up a shower/toilet stall, I will stick to my Land Rover. My wife would like us to move up to something more comfortable - for me that means a comfortable dump and a hot shower at any time. But that's just me.
A definite plus for the Storytellers is that their sales people don't call the vans "coach" 😛
Wish they could've loaned you the Transit model. I would really like your opinion on that chassis's off-road capabilities and potential. Great video as always Talon.
Would have been cool to test but they have only ever produced 4 because of chassis shortages... 3 of which are already spoken for I believe.
The LT is not much for off-roading nor long drives. MPG doesn’t do any better but it does go quicker.
For me I'd go with the Jayco Terrain and go from there.
Talon, thank you for such great content. Are you familiar with Grit Overland, I’m looking at buying a GOAT, any thoughts? I’m not interested in a Mercedes at all.
I was considering a STO but I was told by the Big RV Chain Store that there was a 1.5 year waitlist for getting one. Revels were available in many options and colors. I like the STO much more but the 1.5 year wait was disappointing.
Yea that’s definitely a turn off
Revel ! Don't like the open concept shower and toilet of Storyteller.
I would get a beast. I went to modify my truck and it's long way road and very hard one financially. So just buy what you need my be cost same even less at the end. As you do modify you do mistake that cost money. But at same time nothing perfect from manufacture, unless you do work with costumes order, like a Sportmobiles.
Classic Mode, maybe even the LT Transit once some mods start coming out. Halo shower is awesome but I'd like if the pan didn't taper off, looks like a good four inches less shower space in an already small space.
Intrigued by the new Jayco Terrain, basically looks like a higher quality Revel. However like the Revel it is over $200k, ouch.
I was seriously considering the storyteller but as of July 5th their prices went up 20k on all models. So their base model mode was $157k and is now $175k. This is for all of their vans 2023. Seems alot of people on their facebook group were upset about the price increase because their orders suddenly went up $20k. Many people were frustrated on the facebook post and said they were cancelling their order. Whereas I've seen the winnebago revel, jayco terrain and the entegra launch for as low as $145k. You are getting different things with STO vs terrain,revel & launch but I personally don't think its worth $20k extra.
not only that but there is a 2 year wait and virtually impossible to find second hand, still very nice though
Great video, there were a lot of great insights about the Stealth in you series. I have a Stealth mode on order. I have a few questions about the bathroom comments you made. You talk about the shower set up in the storyteller taking time to set up. When you showed the bathroom in the revel it had a bunch of shelves for storage. Don’t you have to move those to use the bathroom? What do you do with all the stuff and the shelves when you want to use the bathroom? It seems like that would take a lot more time to fiddle around with?
If I am storing stuff in the bathroom I simply move it to the seat. If I'm not storing anything I just set the shelves on the floor next to the toilet and shower like normal. Even when storing stuff the Revel situation is way more convenient and quicker. I can turn the fan on to let it dry and start driving right after a shower where as the storyteller, it takes more time to setup and pack away and you need to allow a bit of dry time.
@@TalonSei actually it takes very little time to pack up. We just close the cabinet door and get underway. The curtain dries fast or you can pack it back wet. We’ve had out Classic Mode since November of 2020 and use the shower all the time.
I was with a revel on a west coast vacation tour. The revel did everything well. I used the little bath room often ( I´m 6,2"), my cannondale mtb was stored flat and with the wheels removed under the bed. The hole set up was comfortable. When it comes to purchase a sprinter van, I would go with the larger 170´wheelbase like the wbg boldt is, but with no twin-tires in the rear. A wbg revel with 170" wb and 40 inch more cargo room, a larger, longer bed, no flares, would be my with list.
I really like the openness of the storyteller. However, on the resale/used market,I would be hesitant. If someone Had not totally dried the shower area you would rapidly end up with mold/mildew. I am highly allergic, so would be worried that it had not been taken care of properly. There is no absolute way to get rid of mold/mildew if it once starts.
I have a STO Stealth; my wife takes a shower every night, speaking from ~140 nights of experience what you mentioned isn’t a concern at all.
Thanks for the info another Great one. 👍🔥🔥💙
I love the Storyteller, but I want a toilet. I don't live out west so I don't have BLM land. I really want a functional toilet in the van. If someone modified Storyteller with a cassette or natures head toilet, I would do that. But I haven't seen a good toilet in a storyteller. The shower I think is fine. I think the quality in the Storyteller is probably a little better too. So hopefully they will come out with a Ass mode version with a cassette toilet. I wonder if the groove lounge was a foot higher off the ground if that would work. If anyone knows of someone who has a good solution I would love a reply.
“Ass mode” 🤣🤣🤣
Great video. I have a beast on the way, hopefully only 3 more months. I am terrible at building out vehicles, so wanted something I could use out of the box. Living 3 hrs from the ocean and 3 from the mountains makes it a great mobile base camp. Hey it’s cheaper than a beach house :) looking forward to my annual trip out west for some van camping and mountain biking.
Great choice! Enjoy that Beast 🤘🏼
I love the open space of the storyteller and how well built it is! it's simple and functional!
What do you know about the EarthROAMER?
STO Beast! … best fit for me at this time …
Both seem great. Excellent point about dealer network. That probably gives a lot of comfort to purchaser -- you're never alone.
This is an awesome review bro. Thank you...
Anytime 👊🏻
Thanks for the review. Great info. Have you noticed any difference in road noise and insulation with the STO?
The STO was a bit quieter but that’s mainly due to being newer. The build quality is a bit better but I’m sure a STO with 65k+ miles would be similar to my Revel.
Eh we have more sto then wb in our house hold haha, my son just traded up from a revel he had for one season, up to a beast mode haha, he said he never used the shower, and it was wasted space, since his new adv toy trailer was remodeled to house his bicycles, his duke 1290 and 500 EXCF, extra supps for long time away from civilization haha
Great comparison! Makes me glad I chose the Revel. Curious why you chose the Nomadic 12v A/C given you have the Stage 3 RoamRig? I have the same RoamRig upgrade but have not considered 12v A/C.
I can run my 12v for almost 24 hours and it cools just as well. The 120 units you can only run for about 6hr
@@TalonSei Wow.. that's a huge improvement. Which model did you get, 2000 or 3000? And were you able to use the same wires and just move them from the 110vac to 12vdc bus, or was installation more involved?
2023 Revel/ Terrian will save you 70k at the current rates. Custom vehicles are superior, but costly.
Are the front facias plastic or wrapped?
I went get either of these I’d get the airstream interstate 19 4 x 4
It’ll be cool if they gift you the van
Then we can get another project to watch 😁
I wish lol
My one big gripe witht he storyteller beast is the horrible 750 pound carrying capacity. Im traveling with 3, add water and you arent left with much cargo capacity : (
Santa is it you?! 🥺
How much have you spent to upgrade your van Sir ?
Great vid. Your GF can afford either van. Did she buy one?
Both are awesome. Neither is right for me because of the price. Wish I could hit the lotto
These are luxury vehicles. You gotta pay to play. You can have the same life experiences with an old AWD GM Astro/Safari van for $5k-$8k. There are lots of affordable options if you want to live the life, less luxuriously/less comfortably.
Jayco Terrain or Entegra Coach Launch
I'm sorry I just test drove the Revel 2022. Very nice.
Except
It is $120,000 over priced.
8:43 What is that handle for? Thanks
It’s a weboost. Amplifies cell signals.
@@TalonSei So cool, thank you for answer me!
Yes like the revel but electrical power not nearly enough. How did you improve the battery power to increase?
Search my van playlist for a video with roam rig
Thanks much
beast is 218k now and im looking for one
4wd is 218k and awd i believe 224k
As of 2023 the stealth is 188k, beast mode is 218k, directly from their website. It is getting out of control. These companies are all about how much profit they can squeeze out of the community. It feels like a cash grab at this point.
Since you prefer the basic model did you consider the lt or are you committed to only a Mercedes?
I personally am committed to MB since they are tried and true. Ford would be my next pick and the promaster dead last. Pro side to the ford chassis would be cheaper maintenance compared to MB, but overall they are not as nice and not as capable.
How would the Storyteller handle a family of four?
Hey talon which do you prefer, winnebago revel or storyteller? can i have one free?
Also what size skiboards do you recommend im 6’2” and 862lbs
Let me know thanks
Jack
I prefer the toyota sienna so you can have my Revel. You definitely want bantams with touring bindings.
Is everyone financing these? How many years lol. This is like financing a house. How are the rates on them?
Just have to go with Storyteller for the battery power alone, it kicks the Revels ass
😂🤣 holy homeless man beard. Love it.🤘🤙 Sei, you should connect with Kevin Owens from FieldCraft Survival on this type of things.
Couple hundred grand ugh but the inside builds need be done much better maybe more input from buyers ugh
Good Stuff
Amazing video Talon! Thanks for sharing! Have a great weekend and looking forward to your next upload. #dopestvloginthegame
Thank you Phil!
Why a half door stop?
I installed it to line up the door with the end of the kitchen. It will hold the door open even on steep hills, and its nice to let a little air in without having the entire van wide open.
@@TalonSei can you easily remove it to be able to use the outdoor table that is against the kitchen?
it rolls over the half stop. You can have it fully open or half open where it holds it.
How does anyone afford these?
Most people finance them and RV loans can have up to 20 year terms
I would go with the Storyteller Beast, if money wasn't an issue.
Blank canvas van maybe 35 grand ugh
Sale me your Revel, Steve Gross, me, wants to buy it
Email me - info@seiproductions.com
the storyteller is beautiful
Storyteller
Love both vans but ugh interior set ups suck ass need be more buyer hands on for space builds ugh saw better builds in a Prius ugh