Retrofit MMI Carplay on BMW F20!
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Welcome back to Doobrey's day !
Today on Doobrey's day, we take Mrs Doobs old Multi-Media Interface in her 2014 BMW F20 and upgrade it to Apple Carplay, a far superior MMI system!
Links to purchase the items in this video below :-
AliExpress MMI for BMW F20 - www.aliexpress...
Trim Removal Kit - amzn.to/2x26g4X
Thanks for watching!
Doobs
Fitted the kit today following your video step by step. Awesome! Thank you so much. Only difference for my vehicle (causing a 5 minute panic) was that I then needed to hold the ‘menu’ button for 3 seconds to connect to CarPlay and not the ‘back’ button. Cheers!
Absolute legend 😂 panic over
Fitted mine with ease yesterday with the help of your vid, only took 45 mins, thank you!
Nice upgrade!
Just did mine today. Thanks for the help 👍🏼
Good, honest tutorial, well done fella, thank you.
Nice video :) I want to have a system like this, but since my car never had idrive (russian car) I don’t think I can fit it.
Oh, I also wanted to say, I did make a little video Incase you ever did get locked out of the boot. It took me ages to work it out. Keep up the good work mate.
great video mate. you hit nail on the head. only thing i would add is that having to plug the aux in isn't required in every car. its really weird
I have a 2012 BMW 125i. And it seems I have to use the aux which is annoying. Is there a way where aux does not have to be used?
A free update from the bmw website should solve the pairing issue. Update is done by usb
Just fitted this on my 2016 F20 118d - thanks so much for the clear instructions
Didn't need to connect mic up for assistant (just uses phone) - however calls via telephone don't work via MMI box. so im assumming mic is needed
Didn't have to swap over the fibre cable.
Sweet! Glad it’s working for you :)
Mate you forgot to remove the optic cable from the original harness to the new harness provide . Customer is probably going to be having issues with the onboard computer resetting the info.
Heya. I did move it. Perhaps I didn’t show it, but definitely moved it!! :)
@@Doobrey hi, how move the optic cable?
Did you not have to fit an aux cable?
Thanks so much for this! I follow it to the letter and it’s working so far! I am a bit stuck on all the bits you didn’t show... the mic, connecting the aux and removing the bottom panel. Any chance you could do a follow up to show those steps? 😰
I managed to squeeze it all in without removing the bottom panel and the sound is working fine, so I guess you don’t need to connect the aux after all? Still struggling with the mic but everything else is working perfectly. Thanks for the guide!
Great to hear! Yeah, I could do that, depending on how many people need it. If not we could do a facetime or something to show you. Its really easy to do :D
I gave it another go today and managed get it done! I couldn’t take the trim off but managed to work it in by lifting it as I went. Poking it behind the dash was easier than I thought! Thanks again, it’s all working perfectly. 👍🏻👍🏻
I need help with this also, how to get the AUX cable through and the Mic. Those would be awesome to work out.
Great video!
Does the AUX cable have to be plugged in all the time or is the sound streamed wirelessly?
My concern is with the microphone. Why can you not the existing microphone cable so not to take off all the trim. Great video
Well our car was an F20 and the only option was to use the included microphone, meaning we had to connect using the existing cabling :(. It is a shame, but it’s not difficult to remove the trim and replace it...
Hi there,
Intrigued to do this myself - do you have an updated link to the mmi box as the one above has expired?
Thanks
I’m about to to buy a retrofit kit for my f30. When calling, listening music do you have any problems ? Any disconnections?
Just had one! We went for a drive and the unit seemed to reboot. It came back up so am wondering if there is a loose connection.
Hi great video. Can you tell me which kit you used? Also would you advise doing the screen at the same time for a 10 inch and would it be compatible? Thanks
Hi I’ve just installed it on an f30 but I can’t seem to get airplay working to play CZcams on the screen have you managed to get it? Thanks
got the mmi for a few months but too panicky to fit it and the garage is asking£300 to fit it 😢
Which year F20 is this? And what is the current system? NBT?
around minute 17 you're talking about the microphone but what I don't understand that well is that it sounds like you've had to install that one while (in my case of my f20) there's already one installed. Did you have to replace that one or wasn't it there?
Hi. Ok, so the existing oem microphone had to be pulled through the roof, attach a cable to it, then run it down the a pillar, behind the steering wheel to the back of the unit. Let me know if you get stuck, but it works 100%
Your video is fantastic, I actually think I could do this now that you have talked through the process so well -- the user interface of that unit is butt ugly though, I'm going to try to find one with a nicer UI 😄
Hi, your video is brillant. I think it makes sense replacing as well the display for a 10".
Anyway, I am afraid the most useful information regarding BMW display/carplay retrofit is not in your video : Had you a CIC or a NBT system, and how to find this out ?
From the infos I found, a 2014 F20 should be NBT but the HMI looks more like the one of a CIC (which should have ended in 2013 for F20).
Could you tell us what you installed on your car : Carplay retrofit for NBT or for CIC ?
I have an NBT system!
Max Har the car in the video is cic as the menu selector on nbt is solid red background but on cic is a red outline. Look at the selection box at 1.35 in the video.
@@roosterbooster6238
Yes, this is why I asked the question.
But in between I realised that in fact all matter is the connector type, not the SW.
And surprisingly, for the BMW cars (esp. F20) from 2013-2014, you can have a CIC SW and a NBT-compatible connector, 6 pins.
Whereas basic CIC-type connector is 4 pins.
First off, a very good video, well done. I had to rewatch it, the RH drive was confusing me. Why did you add a microphone? The OEM one wouldn't plug into the back of the MMI box? Does the MMI box recognize the OEM backup camera?
Unfortunately I don’t have the rear camera so can’t confirm if the one one works or not.
I added the microphone link to use the OEM one! Works a dream :)
How seamless is the integration between CarPlay functionality and the native BMW functions? How do you get back and forth between the two systems on the UI? Will it switch to the BMW Park Distance control screen automatically when putting the car into reverse gear or would this require an additional action now?
Pretty good actually. Once CarPlay is on, you can swap back by pressing the back button for 3 secs.
i know it's kind of off topic but do anyone know of a good website to stream new tv shows online?
@Remington Landyn Flixportal :)
@Henry Darian thanks, signed up and it seems like a nice service =) I really appreciate it!
@Remington Landyn No problem xD
It's a shame these systems route the audio through aux, as the quality is not great. I have HK System and wouldn't want to compromise audio quality. I didn't buy tidal hi-fi to then degrade the quality.
Is there a way to remove the amplifier from the wiring loom and put it into the existing connector behind the radio, like what you did with the fiber Optic connector
Tou can get the firmware update by downloading it from bmw and use a usb stick
Loved the video I’m thinking of getting one myself now, just wondering if it would fit/work in a BMW 116D 2013 I’m assuming it would but always best to make sure first.
yeah likely - when you follow the link on the video, make sure you tell them the year of your car
What does the fibre optic cable look like?
Hello, I got a problem with my Bmw E87. I set up all the cables correct and I also got the iDrive after putting the black box into my car but the Apple Car Play won't start. Do you have any Idea?
First of all very nice Video. But I have Question how does the Park distance controle look like with the new Outlay. Does it just look the same like it did before?
Yeah, so the parking distance "kicks in" when you get to close at the front or rear of the car. Once you are out of that danger area, then the car play kicks back in. Works pretty well :D
It seems that when you switch between iDrive / MMI the display (sometimes) becomes first black and then after a few seconds shows the MMI / iDrive screen. I have exact the same problem with my F30 equipped with CHAMP2/6.5" display as yours.
Hi i hope you can help me a little bit, how did you connect the aux cable to the aux in? i mean, did you hide the cable? or is it above the central console?
Ah ha! I routed it along the central console, then to the back, where there is a hole remove the cover and presented it into the console hole where the aux connector is :). Hidden away
Thank you so much for such a great video, can you please confirm if this works also for F22 (BMW Series 2 2018) ?
Thinking of getting it but its soo expenssive I can add 150-200£ and bave android unit
It cost me around £200
Hi my car doesent have bluetooth audio, just bluetooth for phone calls, if i install this, will i get bluetooth audio or do i need to install something else?
When my phone is locked, my google maps doesn’t follow in real time, anyone who can help?
Im thinking of buying this. How well does it work?? Any bugs whatsoever? Any random error codes.
Works really well!!!! No issues so far
Is this works with BMW 116d 2014 sport line?
Hey, I bought the exact unit from the seller you did after watching this a while ago. Unfortunately for me it has been an absolute nightmare. Unit randomly decides for days when it will or won't work. All I'll hear is the tick when holding menu then a black screen. Trying to reset with holding back does the same. Then a few days later I'll hop in the car and it will work ... for a day or two. Shame because it's great when it does work.
sorry to hear this, i would go back to the seller and ask them for a replacement, ine has been fine!
@@Doobrey In a turn of events appears it was a firmware issue. Been a week now and the unit works wonderfully. I was confident it was hardware related. Thanks for pointing me in the direction of these units. Makes a huge difference on the commute.
Is this unit still working properly and did u have to open up your armrest console and change the aux part and stuff like that? Or did you not have to touch that bit at all?
Yup still working properly. I ran a cable to the arm rest for the aux. No big issues though
@@Doobrey Okey sounds good, i just ordered but will i get away with not tocuhing the aux? I mean i don't ever use it anyway (don't have a aux port on my phone). Or will it not work in the future`??
I’ve come across issue where my display screen will just blank out randomly, then automatically just appear after 20- 30mins or so, wasn’t experiencing this before the retrofit Any advise on this?? It’s happened 2twice in the space of a months so far
Check where you placed the unit. Is it getting too hot?
My 1 series 2011 just went to bmw for the blower fan recall, everything on my ia drive and centre control worked before they did the repairs, after they finished car would not start until they unplugged the power cable to the drive box and they want to charge me to repair it even though it was working ok before they had their hands on it but they swear blind they didnt touch it until having to find out why my car wouldn't power on anyone else had anything like this happen and had it repaired with no issues ??
If you are listening to the radio and your phone rings do you still have to manually switch back to aux input to hear the call?
Nope works automatically
@@Doobrey thanks for your reply. I'm getting mixed answers from different people. Just to clarify if I'm listening to fm radio and the phone rings the audio automatically switches back to the mmi box that's connected to the car via the front aux port?
Hey, thanks for the video... I am considering buying one for an F30 but I'm a little bit confused about something... on the Andream Aliexpress product page in your description, there's no mention of either an Aux (3.5mm) or Microphone cable/harness, and the installation diagram only shows installing the LVDS cable and the huge quadlock connector behind the head unit...
You mentioned in another comment that you had to have the 3.5mm aux connector plugged in permenantly in the center console, but my understanding was that this MMI box 'spliced' in to the AUX connection on the back of the head unit itself (in the big square quadlock connector)...
Am I missing something?
Thanks
Just to further this confusion... if you scroll down to the "Does it use internal AUX for Sound?" section of this guide, it clearly says "The box itself is connected via AUX internally over the quadlock cable." f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1675929
Hi, I think it’s to do with which head unit you have and which system (I forget the name now, but I think it depends on if you have NBT or the other unit) you have in your boot. There are two types, one you need to connect to the aux one you do not. So yes, you definitely connect to the back of the head unit in the front of the car. Most of the units you move over the optical cable too. Some units you need the aux, some do not. What I found was that If you speak to the Andream guys and tell them about your make, model and year, they will send you the correct unit. :)
@@Doobrey ahhh that makes sense! I did just read somewhere about it depending on what Combox you have too... Just another question, how is the call quality when you're connected via Bluetooth to the Carplay box directly?
Dom Taglialavore so far it’s ok. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as good as normal, after all it’s going through the aux port, but MORE than acceptable. Having google maps, music, phone etc. Is well worth the trade off of perfect sound. Don’t get me wrong it’s more than acceptable, but I am comparing it to my S5...!
Excuse me but I missed how you fixed the Aux problem, could you explain that again please?
Sure, you run the wire to the aux in your armrest
Doobrey So I just clip out the plastic cover next to the gear shift but how do I get it cleanly into the middle console and the aux input? Or can I plug it in on an other plug?
@@gajuTV Ok, so I ran the cable from the new unit, down the side of the foot well, along where the gear stick goes to the back. Then you can remove the Tray in the arm rest and bring the cable up through there and plug it directly into the Aux. Hope that makes sense?
Doobrey Ahh I see, thank you very much!
Does the oem USB port in the glove compartment work with the CarPlay or do you have to route the USB port given?
I believe you can use the usb if you wish, but no need.
This is exactly what I have been looking at. I have a 2011 so think I'd need the same install. Just wondered if the Bluetooth calling worked as standard still rather than having to use the added mic? As you still retain original functionality don't you.
Hey Ed, I got it from Ali express. The link “should” be in the description below the video. Take a look. If it’s not there or changed, give me a ping.
Oh, saw your other question. The original Bluetooth you turn off, as the unit has its own.
@@Doobrey thank you for coming back so quickly! I was hoping not to have to put in another mic so sounds like I may get away with it. The link does work.. I realised you'd put it there after asking haha
Hello! My car has the ENTRY system, is this retrofit going to work?
Is it possible to connect Bluetooth from phone directly to the stock head unit so that you can still have the high quality audio rather than aux, but still use the wireless CarPlay through the WiFi?
I think so..... the problem I had was that the head unit wouldn't connect to the newer iphones, this is what drove us to look at retrofit solutions. The sound is fine from the Aux, not 100% perfect but considering everything else you get...
The carplay works wirelessly onto the unit, once its connected !! pretty cool!
Doobrey I’m still looking into it, thanks for the reply. One more thing tho, does it have a spare AV input in the wiring harness that you would plug the front/rear camera into? I’m thinking of also installing a 360 camera recorder that has AV output so I think it may be able to plug into the CarPlay box and display on screen
Do each time you sit in the car you have to connect via Bluetooth and wifi to use CarPlay?
No, once you have configured it once, you get into the car and "bang" it connects. We often connect the USB too, just to power the phone, but it is not required
some say that the aux wiring is not required in their vehicles, is this true? i have a 2015 F30 that i want to do this with. not sucha fan of the idea if wiring the aux into the arm rest.
I had to use it on mine. I have heard the same, some others say not required
I do have the same unit, and found out that mine does work without running the aux cable. But the sound quality is pretty poor. I am going to reopen the dash and figure out how i can setup aux. How did you connect the microphone and which cable is it?
I did not connect the aux cable. But I have to connect the USB to my Android phone. I have also bought a microphone since I don't have bluetooth.
Hey, does music sound worse with this adapter than with a standard audio system?
sorry for my English.
It’s not quite as good as the sound connects via the aux in, its pretty good though and what with google maps etc, works well
looking to fit this into my F22 soon. Any bugs in the system after a year installed? (Bluetooth dropping connection, bugs and glitches etc.)
Do you need a cable connection between the decoder and oem aux port?
I did. Apparently some cars don’t need it. And I did move the fibre optic cable too
Hi. What happens if the radio is playing and then car play/android auto is activated, do you lose audio from the radio? Can you have factory radio playing while google maps is working via Android auto? Many thanks @doobrey
hi, is there something similar for Android auto. I have a 2015 320i, F30.
Where did u hide the wire from the aux cable ?
from the unit behind the radio, under the plastic central cover (where the gear lever is) then I removed the cover for the USB/AUX plug where the arm rest is and wired it up through there
Is there a jumper setting to move the menu to the right side?
Honestly not sure. You could ask the guys who sell it?
Hi does this also work if ur car has no nav ? I corrected the supplier and they told me it does ?
Hi, I’m fitted it all but I’m not getting any audio. I didn’t do the part about connecting AUX first and went straight into holding back for 3 seconds and connecting CarPlay. I assume this is reason why…but I’ve tried everything to revert and nothing, is there a fix?
Sounds like you need to connect it to the aux.
could you send a link to microphone cable please??
Perfect mate , thank you! is that unit similar with droidUK ?
Haven’t seen droiduk, but I suspect these units are pretty much all the same
Hello there!
Great job with the installation! I installed mine as well.
Just a question, how did you run your aux cable to the center console? I did this and my sound was terrible and I also have terrible sound quality
Hey any chance of a link to where I can buy one. Have you had any more problems? Does this also let you use your maps such as google maps or Apple maps? Thanks
I "thought" it was in the description. If not, let met know.
Yes, you can use google maps, apple maps, make calls, use Siri, play your apple music....pretty impressive stuff. I originally had a few problems, with a wire getting snagged, but since then, I dropped it into the space behind the head unit and down, tidied up the cables and Bang, no more issues!
Great video - once you have setup your phone does the car boot up into carplay immediately each time or do you have to hold the back button for 3 seconds and/or select the wireless dev option every time to get it working?
Hey Cian,
When you get in, it seems to start up straight away, so pretty cool. Also it is wireless, so even better than mine in my Audi!
Thinking of doing this on my car. Has there been any issues installation. Any random lags or resets?
We had an issue where it would reset. Found out I had a binding cable. Sorted that and bang, works perfectly!!!
Why change the cable that goes to the screen? I didnt do it and it works great
Do you have to put a cable in the aux? Bc thats def not what i want. And is the sound the same as fm radio sound?
I have a Bmw F20 just like yours, with the same Apple CarPlay installed, but mine will not allow to use my original microphone. I want to use the voice control to control the Unit at times and when receiving calls i have to switch to the bmw Bluetooth and not ude CarPlay. Do you have an idea for what the mistake could be? :/
Probably you have not connected the cable from the unit to your mic. It runs down the pillar on the right hand side of your car. Remove the cover, find your mix, connect the new cable from the unit to it and it should work
What about the volume, can u see it when u make it louder ?
Not that I can recall - we just amend it on the dial on the dash or the steering wheel
Hello,
Does the aux have to be routed from under the armrest to inside into the system?
Thanks
On my system, yes, I had to route to the aux
Doobrey how did you manage to route it to the armrest without it being visible ?
Strange. Mine works fine without the aux cable. I'll do the test to see if it's using bluetooth. I have an Android phone connected to the unit via USB.
@@armadaro9234 on some models aux doesn't need to be connected, mine didn't.
How works the navigation I mean if u have to type in a adress how does this work ?
Depending on what you use, works the same as the app. For example, Google maps, you can either type in the address or use Siri to speak the address. Tomtom, which is also available, works the same as any other tomtom. Apple maps, to be honest, I have used the least. The maps is one of the main reasons we did this, as it saves on paying BMW for new maps each year. Let's be honest, the BMW in car nav is pretty rubbish. This system is pretty awesome!
Can these be fitted to the HU_ENTRY and HU_ENTRYNAV iDrive system?
I’m sorry I am not sure
Any ideas if it works OK on the professional nav system on the f20?
Very likely. On the alibaba website you can check you model of car it works on. The guys that I worked with were brilliant at helping me solve the microphone issue.
Does this startup seamlessly once you have paired your iphone?
Yup! You get in the car and bang, it works
Would this work on a bmw f22 2 series?
It does btw just fixed this in my car, didn’t have to install the mic or the aux cable, calls and everything works fine. I believe he had to install the Mic/ aux because he did not switch the optical cable from the originally harness to the new harness provided. Wireless and wired connections works a perfect
I did move the optical cable actually. I suspect there are various combinations on head units
@Kevin Budain I believe the same retrofit will still work fine, as I have parking sensors with all functions working perfect when the car is placed into reverse (display Screen automatically switches to the sensors with sound whilst the CarPlay is in use)
Does wireless and wired carplay work both?
Yup!!!
How is the use going? Doesn't it generate faults?
works wonderfully!
Is there any delay with the GPS when using this?
Nope none
Guys what is the brand name of this device? And where can buy it online?
What do you mean at 10:40 about driver optics
Great video, does this work with Android Auto?
I know you can connect an android phone to it and use it, so if that is the question, then yes :)
why did you need the cable? Isn't it wifi?
Correct it is wifi, but I use the cable to charge the phone at the same time :)
Does it support wireless Android auto (for compatible phone)? Also, does the factory reverse camera still works? Thanks
Doobrey Can it work by wifi and at the same time be charging through the main underarm standard usb? I don’t know what to do with that new usb, I don’t like any visible cable coming out from the central console... Thanks in advance.
Any reason you didnt go after just a whole screen? On Aliexpress they seem to be about $100 more and the screen is lovely Thanks
Hi, not really. I know I’d have to do a bit of coding, which is quite straight forward, however I just wanted to make sure the retrofit would work initially. I may replace the screen in the coming months too :)
Did you get one? Just the screen and it will work with everything? have you link?
@@MKBUHDD I didn't! My clutch and fly wheel went and thus so did all my money haha
i’ve got the exact same car. does the aliexpress link have everything I need for the job as I wanna do this asap!
Yup. It had the unit, just check on your head unit and get yourself some tools to remove the dash components etc..
Can you make a video how to retrofit my steering wheel to the left? I purchased the wrong car.
Sure, move to a country that drives on the wrong side ;)
Hey Man!
Two questions, you had micro in box or how you connect it to the car play module, and the second question is about aux cable, you have to connect it to the AUX on armrest or somewhere else?
Aux cable plugged from the unit, to the AUX in the armrest, yes.
Re: Microbox - not quite sure what you mean, can you explain a bit more please?
@@Doobrey I think the question that many ask is where did you lay the aux cable?
Hi, I'm about to retrofit my f22 with the MMI Carplay kit. Still have a doubt about the existing microphone. Since my car has the original one installed i'd like to know if it will work with the system or I still need to use a replacing mic. In this case, is a microphone provided in the kit? Thanks for sharing!
I’m using the existing one. Had to remove the pillar airbag cover then run the cable, but it is really easy to do
Thanks for that tutorial- i connteced all cables like you.
But I am not able to Volume up the panel after the box is installed.
Do you have any ideas?
Did you plug in the optical cable?
@@Doobrey yes - I missed to fix the optical fiver cable - now all is Running. Thank you very much!
Whats it like with steering wheel controls? For some reason on my F21 I can't skip tracks using the steering wheel on the factory bluetooth, curious if you can skip tracks using them via Carplay.
Yup all of the steering wheel buttons work perfectly. It really is an amazing upgrade/ retrofit !!
Can that work on series 2 2016 active tourer small screen
If yes where can I buy it
Hi there, thanks for the video - just wanted to ask if you had to keep the aux lead plugged in to the aux socket on the car in order for the system to play sound? My aux socket is quite crackly and would be a deal breaker if i had to keep the lead in? Cheers
On mine yes, but depending on the age of the car and the setup it may not require it.
Ive installed this on my F20, i swear to god the sound quality is absolute dogshit. Even when using the unit’s EQ, you dont get away from the fact that it sounds like oldschool FM radio.
is it so bad mate? I'm gonna install it tomorrow.
@@aeroeng3 depends on how sensitive you are to audio quality dude. The seller of the carplay box disclaimed that “since its an additional line to the audio and since its wireless it will never achieve the same audio quality as the OEM headunit but it shouldnt be easily noticeable”. But honestly, for me the difference in audio quality was easily audible. So i decided to plug in using the AUX port provided in the cables, still the quality is just as crap as it is when done wirelessly. To me, its like listening to music with your head inside a fishbowl. Theres a small amount of “wosh” to the sound output and the bass it very sensitive. Theres no other way to describe it other than if you played music through a cheap chinese stereo with as little mid range, some treble then put the bass on max.
Sellers dont get this kind of review from their buyers, likely because straight after installing, the buyers leave not getting enough time to work with the unit to realise how much difference there is in audio quality coz theyre too distracted by the new navigation and carplay capabilities of their car. Leaving them to realise later how crap the audio is but no longer able to take it back for a refund coz theres no better alternative.
@@GoneDeathMode ok if you go wired the same? Cause i don't mind to be wired instead of wireless. If it uses the Aux and the phone wired it shouldn't have so huge sound quality issues .
Yes I'm a bit sensitive, I'm not gonna play Flac files at my Bmw speakers, but if it sounds crap , it will be a problem, I'm using spotify btw
@@aeroeng3 yeh it didnt matter whether it was wired or wireless to be honest. The sound quality was limited either way. It just doesnt achieve the full potential of the speakers.
As a compromise, ive opted to only use music from my phone (through carplay) whenever i absolutely need the navigation audio cues, otherwise, my car’s audio setting is always set to USB music with my songs downloaded to a USB drive which is really the only way you can get decent audio otherwise.
Note that when the carplay unit is installed, your OEM AUX port in the armrest is not usable as its overridden by the carplay unit. So if youre thinking of plugging the phone there while using carplay, it doesnt get you any sound.
Would this affect the insurance in any way?
No it dont
hello there mate, quick question. Does youtube work on the screen too? Thanks
Yes. You can also screen share
Hey Man,
I just ordered this for my F22 car but and i wanted to ask you some questions. Any way we can chit chat through facetime or whatsapp or something ?
Hi how can I contact you
Through the youtube channel. But I’ll pop it here
Chad@doobreydoo.net