Absolute would love to see more CFV and WS content! Vanguard is special to me, specifically because that is the game that really made me want to play a TCG when I was a kid. I really hope to hear and see more of your thoughts on this game.
Have played both games too. Vanguard is truly fun and competitive. The problem with it is the scarcity of player base. But if Vanguard is a thing in a certain local, then one will have fun playing it. As for Weiss, I agree that the screenshot art doesn't appeal as much. But once your favorite IP gets introduced to it, you kinda get interested in getting one too, which at least is what happened to me. Weiss is one of the fun casual TCGs for me. Excited to see you showcasing your decks in your future videos!
Vanguard as a concept game was amazing. I've been playing since the first set of OG vanguard. It had two big rough patches (Once during the end of G era and then again during the first reboot of V and covid). Our locals constantly flux in attendance but it's stayed active.
as someone thats been playing VG sibce the start of the EN release of VG (i literally watched the anime when i was in elementary school), VG's survival is a miracle honestly, the game almost died during covid due to the first reboot being really bad at the start, got better in the middle, and then just straight up power creep galore with uninteresting effects (literally some of these effects were just copy pasted/is similar to each other), those were actual dark ages of VG but then Overdress and D Era came around and practically revived the game, literally gave life to the game as we know it now and honestly its been thriving, and i hope to see it grow even bigger. edit: i will say one thing i wish VG would do is make better beginner product, the first decks for Overdress were fantastic and i wished they kept it up, but they kinda fumbled the bag twice with starter products but funnily enough they bundled a deck in corocoro recently (yes that corcoro) where its basically what people wanted with a beginner product, so hopefully this is a sign that hopefully next year we're gonna get good beginner product
Gonna add more to this with much agreement VG surviving is a straight up miracle with how horrible Bushi handle the game. Some can call me a hater but I have been playing since TD01 Blaster Blade. 1st batch of OD was amazing buttttttt I will never say that Vanguard is affordable, yes even with Stride deck option because they are now illegal out of the box, you will need an additional 15-20$ to buy the new QSD to get the energery crest. (But then if u buy it, Nui or Luard will be BDIF- Sure, Nui need tenyi, g3 cycle, g2 eb cycle while Luard is cheaper after the hit but the hostage build will get you time out in touernermant)- Just wait till when they get their promo..... I am think 45 a pop. Promo will always be a problem here same with OT, every content creators out there already gave up on these 2 problems because how deaf Bushi is to it's international audience. Banlist is like months late compared to Japan, even with additional data, they will just copy and paste the ban list. To who watching this vid and thinking of starting VG, don't. Play Wiess, OP, Pokemon. This game ain't it without the nostalgia due to the cost to play it
@@jaylucksackplus one on the sentiment. Genuinely play Vanguard if you love the IP and definitely didn't need money because this one is extremely expensive. And the same thing that made the game fun is also the same thing that would frustrate you in the future. Weiss Schwarz is the place where most Vanguard vets reside nowadays.
I'd say that with Vanguard, it still follows the whole Magic system of playing a slower resource game. What I love about Vanguard is that you can make last minute comebacks with the trigger mechanic. It's both a blessing and curse but makes for some very memorable moments overall. Not only that, but your damage also being a resource was a really cool concept that stood out to me. As a fellow Charmout player, the deck is very beginner friendly. You'll be swinging for big numbers and drawing a lot of cards.
I just don't agree with Vanguard being a slow resource game like MTG.. The game has no mana system, every card does something, you play much more every turn and can play more from the beginning if you choose to, you draw much more and there are no costs to play any card only to activate abilities and those are normally easy to be able to pay if playing correctly.. The trigger mechanic won't save you so often if you don't play correctly with the exception of overtriggers which everyone wants to see out of the game hahah
@@DDFKPD I thought about it, and I think you're partially right. Vanguard isn't as slow as something like Magic where the first turn or two is generally setting up lands (from my limited knowledge) for future turns. However, I will still stand by my point that Vanguard is a resource game. Just about every decision you make is a resource trade albeit some more indirectly than others, and being able to make the right call each time is what the game's all about. As for the trigger mechanic, I find that it does come up often, even if a player isn't playing optimally or is making misplays. When two high level players duke it out, triggers can affect the outcome of the game, even if both sides are coming in prepared.
@@johnnywu8708 Haha well, I have no problem with calling Vanguard a resource game, my point was that it os far from slow and very different then the resource mechanics of MTG. Beyond that calling it a resource game is great haha the game does this very good after all and the decision making due to that is very fun and deep. Regarding the Triggers, When you speak about a game generally it is important to differentiate between what could possibly happen and what normally happens in most games.. although the games we remember the most are those who had someone triple crit at the most unexpected moment or saved by a heal trigger, those games aren't the common games you see all the time, and players in general don't win due to such conditions very often.. moreover by playing smart and not against your decks perfect counter you wouldn't lose so easily to a strong drivecheck. I agree that 2 players that make no mistakes (very rarely happens) while also using decks that have no advantage over one another, who both draw into the right pieces at the right time, might end up losing or winning due to triggers :) but the same can be said on any luck based mechanic in any game that has such a mechanic in it so I don't see how such a specific condition is important to note at all 😅 The strongest proof of that btw is that if you look at the results of tournaments you can see that (in general) top players reach the top results every time, so being a better and more experienced player is absolutely much more important for winning than having luck with triggers 😉
I LOVE Vanguard! (Oh, and if we ever happen to bump into each other irl somewhere someday, I'd love to have a cardfight with you, or even a game of GA (btw, perhaps you remember me from a comment on one of your GA videos? I'm the guy that pulled a CSR Diana, Duskstalker). And I really want to get more into the game. If only I had the time and energy to do so... And even if I'd host some kind of beginner event it might still be hard to get people interested, since the Vanguard community in my local area is like 6 people while Magic and YGO are by far the most popular with MTG having weekly events at my LGS and YGO having a group promoted at the LGS (though meetups are elsewhere). I will try though when I have the means to do so (i.e. more time and energy). Then there's another point of contention I will go into below... The bit of a sad part is that the D start decks (those 5 bucks ones) are now a bit harder to actually come by, but since Divinez started there were some changes made to the format that entail a increase in deck size (from 46 main + 4 ride to 50 main + 4 ride) and the addition of a new resource which requires a Crest (that goes in the ride deck, so it's actually 50 + 5). The kicker is that the Crest is only available from the new starter products released along with Divinez, the Start Up Trial Decks, which sell for like $15 or more, and you need the crest for your deck to be legal (which granted is not a issue if all you do is play casually or in non-official tournaments). The worst part with the crest is the fact it has so far literally only been printed in the Start Up Trial Decks, with there being special versions given out at events and tournaments. A card, that literally all players MUST have, only being available from a starter product that provides little of value to existing players outside of that one card (and promos). But the biggest issue with those new starter products is really the price and what's included, especially when compared to the start decks from the start of overDress: the start up trial decks are literally almost entirely vanilla except for the main Vanguard and the sentinel with the skill-bearing versions of the other cards being in the booster set (ugh), the crest and a energy counter, two promo cards, a little sheet of counters for power and critical and a pack of sleeves that lack a bit in quality, while the start decks from early D comes with a full deck of cards with skills (bar some vanillas and the triggers) and not much else (quick start guide and paper playmat of course, but that's in all starter products anyway). And the absolute insanity here? The Start Up Trial Decks don't even come with an Over Trigger, nor does the new video tutorial on the official channel touch upon it! Literally the most debated thing in the format isn't even introduced to new players through neither their starting product (if they get the new one) nor the official tutorial, isn't that crazy?
Love Vanguard it has quickly become one of if not my go to card game since getting into it while zero was still around. I have tried getting into Weiss Schwartz but keep finding it harder to learn with everything going on, just wish there was a easier learning curve, maybe I'll give it another shot based on your recommendation.
I've been playing Wiess and vanguard for 10 so on years, they are probably the games I choose over others TCGs. I do wish more people and shops would give the games a fair chance, since the games have a fun and competitive way of playing
+1 on both Vanguard and Weiss content. They're really fun and underrated imho. Okay, maybe Vanguard not so much, but there's a good reason both of these games have been on the top grossing list in Japan for so long.
Been playing weiss for a year now. We have a local community of around 10 players. The release of Ang the last Airbender got me in and i am looking forward so much for Freiren this November!
I play both vanguard and Weiss and I’ll talk about Weiss here since I’ve been getting more into that recently but one thing I like about Weiss is the active deck reconstruction during a match as you clock more cards put a few to back stage and maybe memory alongside what’ll go into your stock some times
I'm a huge Weiss player, and have only recently delved slightly into both SVE and VG. I think the reason that appealed me to try is the collab sets, similar to why I love the diversity of different anime in WS. If it wasn't for Uma for SVE and Bang Dream for VG, I wouldn't be touching those games at all, and I'm glad to be trying a lot more of Bushiroad's fun games
As a kid TCG’s always had me enamoured. I’ve played many growing up, yugioh, mtg, Pokémon and loved them dearly but could never stick to one. Sometime at a Con while in high school I saw CFV and have been following it since. I think the game in its core design is fun af, and the trigger mechanic makes you feel there’s never a reason to scoop.
Interesting to hear your thoughts on weiss. If you ever need the best crash course for the game from someone who goes to worlds/nationals and topped a ton, feel free to reach out and I'm down to pass along the knowledge.
I can second this. I have multiple tops in both English and Japanese formats myself and can vouch for BurnOne; I've known them for a while, and they know their stuff.
Weiss Schwarz is one of the most simple game to learn and very greatly difficult to play optimally due to the game only way to stop receiving damage is the climax and that can at times really put a stress pressure when it trolls you. WS is a game you must play with a open mind and not been salty about the luck, and when you do you will enjoy the game with the resource building up and manage it. WS is subject to the deck and series, but if you really want a casual TCG that doesn't have to keep up with rotation of meta and ban list that WS is your game. Because I am having a heavy commitment with family and work and the only TCG that i can return after month or 1 year away it will still be digestible to return
Vanguard survived because its a game that yugioh players go once their format becomes shit. Also, its really big in asia and other countries because the channel animax aired it like how yugioh was aired in 2002, so alot of nostalgia for the kids at the time.
True. Vanguard is so good. Even in Ukraine, it's not popular, but people love this anime and game, we have people who playing. But more is mtg actually. In others countries EU this game have place too
I've been dismissive of Vanguard for years before stumbling onto the original anime and realising how true to life it was. Then I realised that there's way more strategic potential then I thought and the game is way more than 'whoever puts the bigger creature wins'... It's also so dynamic and interactive.
Recently got back into vanguard after i found players at my college and then we found a group of players at our locals it truly is a fun game, a back and forth fight where almost anything can happen on top of strategic plays.
I was at the anime expo too, and while I couldn't get into a Shadowverse or Weiss game, I did manage to snag a game of Vanguard on the last day. I was fortunate enough to play against a guy who played the game in the past, and since I at least have some experience with TCGs(Yugioh, Pokemon, and Magic), the game went by pretty smoothly. In my experience, this is how I summarized Vanguard. "It's like playing Commander in Magic except your Commander evolves every turn like Pokemon, and once it hits Grade 3 you can V-Max it with another copy. Then when you attack, it's like a game of who has more Honests(Yugioh)." Overall, yeah it's actually a pretty fun game. Granted, would have to find people to play with.
I will say, in regards to Weiss, not all cards have "screenshot artwork." There is a lot of other art as well, and depending on the series, they can also come from light novels, game images, or other promotional/original imagery. The downside is that there is a lot of that screenshot stuff, and I do agree that sometimes that is a bit boring to look at depending on how or where it was pulled from.
Vanguard is my favorite game and i think a glaring problem with the game started way back in the G series. Stride was a very blatant and obvious power creep that made the game drastically more expensive. Needing 2 copies of a card to use it once for most of the skills and finishers. Then they kept power creeping it with each season. They thankfully nuked it back with the v series which was great at the time. The anime followed the manga. It felt like the game would have some longevity again. But then the problem there was that the V series was too short. Anime dont have the long seasons like they used to. And a big appeal of OG vanguard was that season 1 was very long and you saw the growth of these characters and things felt fleshed out. The V series onwards, it all felt rushed. One episode it was psyqualia, then the high school tournament and then it was over. Then the result with the constant nuking and restarting of the anime series resulted in constant format changes or big rule changes faster than yugioh. The overdress series has done a good job at keeping things feel fairly consistent but its so late in the lifespan of vanguard that alot of the players have already left. Which is also impacting the card prices. Youthberk? If i built that irl when he came out id never financially recover from that. Dear days is good for keeping vanguard going but good god its expensive. Cardfight online would have done wonders if they didnt cancel that game. The later half of G and the V series is where bushi kept fucking around with vanguard that killed off a good chunk of its player base sadly.
I have a lot of experience with the games though on very narrow formats (most of break ride era for vanguard and 2013-2016 for Weiss). The games late game decision making in balancing aggression; resource management and pressure is bar none. Most of the early game at that time was simply pushing for enough DMG while keeping your hand loaded to prevent crack backs. But those late game scenarios where both players board gets built and it becomes a game of bluffing to see what you would do with attacks and guards are so fun. Plus triggers as cheesey as they can make the game (far more for Weiss than vanguard): give a dopamine hit that even yugioh cant quite replicate. Winning very close matches due to a critical trigger will always be highlights in my TCG experience
Excellent question. Bushiroad keeps making the same game, and it keeps working, it's bizarre. It's also bizarre that Weiss Schwarz came first, I had always assumed that WS was created as "Vanguard but with your favourite IPs", but apparently Vanguard was "Weiss Schwarz but with our own IP". Another weird thing about Bushiroad games is how insular they are. If you talk to someone who plays any of the big 3, they'll have opinions on all of the big 3, and these days also some of the smaller new games like Lorcana or Keyforge or Digimon, but they will never have even looked at Vanguard. And in my experience, when you talk to a Vanguard player, that's the only game they'll know about - they've probably played a bit of Yugioh, but they won't ever have been into it, and they'll never have looked at MTG or any of the small non-Bushiroad games. It's like Bushiroad players are on the other side of a big river, and no one has ever thought to try building a bridge.
Vanguard drew me in because it felt more down and balanced compared to Yugioh or Magic, like even if you where playing a deck you scrounged together and didn't get all best cards for, you could still win if you had the right trigger luck and played your game well. Personally I wish it just could catch on more in the west because I want more people to cardfight. Its a great game past the fact its hard to find other players.
I can't comment for vanguard since I don't really play the game. But for WS, I too am surprised that the game is still around. For context, I played jp WS from 2009 to 2015. I supposed the game had since evolved and changed for the better. Cause in my hometown, I do feel that the player pool has been stagnant, ie no growth, newbies coming in, but oldies leaving. I used to like the business model of WS, just buy into one IP and that's it. Just play what you like and that's all cool. I used to have a max-rarity Yuki Nagato (The melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi) fan deck - full foils, VA signature stamps and relevant promo cards. But the problem to me and many oldies is that this model is seasonal. Once your favorite IP had passed their time, then there is no incentive for Bushiroad to upkeep that IP. Powercreep and whatnot soon burn the interest away, and that's how I left the game completely. There was a time when the mix & match format for WS was interesting, I would have continued playing WS if Bushiroad had not killed it off. Context - there was a broken combo involving a number of IPs, and the end state of that combo was that the opponent would have 0 cards in hand. Bushiroad probably panic and made all IPs going forward interact within themselves only. There's no more drive to think of interesting card interactions, no fresh ideas, decks within any given IP just build itself around 1 or 2 lynchpin cards, old IPs lost in time. **sorry if this comes off as a rant, I do however wish that your interest in WS and vanguard burn on. Peace.
Not a Vanguard player but ive just recently pick Weiss Schwarz back up after i used to play in 2012. Started with Disgaea back in 2011, then Hololive recently got me back into the game. I dabble into other games like Shadowverse, Star Wars Unlimited, and FaB, but Weiss is definitely on top for me.
I know what I'm saying will be quite ironic, but when it comes to vanguard I hate the luck based mechanic for trigger checks or anything luck based in general, but because of that it's very unique so I hold it in high respect. I do enjoy playing vanguard too, but I'm heavily discouraged to play it now due to how vast the mechanics are now.
CFV is an amazing game! Please do more content on it :) But.. As a huge cfv collector who's been around for 10 years of the game.. Try the Premium version of the game after you master the Standard version ;) it is even more fun than Standard
Welcome to the world of Weiss & Cardfight Vanguard. I been playing vanguard since set 1 OG. For Weiss been playing since the first set for SAO. I really like both games. So I would definitely appreciate more content on both Weiss & Vanguard. I got into both games due to the waifu thing 😂. Eva & Aurora Battle Princess are the two decks I play for vanguard. For Weiss I play Date a Live Kurumi & Tohka Waifu decks Fate Grand Order The Lion King deck & Arifureta Yue waifu deck.
Vanguard especially has gone to a very simple yet refined format that make ven beginner player pick up the game basis quickly, even with now added energy system player can kept playing with their old deck
Sadly Bushiroad has done literally NOTHING to address the issues as to why Vanguard has been dead in North America since the COVID-19 Pandemic started. For starters, making the game more affordable and accessible with more print runs and reprints of popular cards would be a good start. Designing promo cards that are staples in specific decks in order to bait players into playing at official events as a crutch for TERRIBLE prize support is just downright insulting. Bushiroad REALLY should've followed what Konami did with Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel to get more new and old players into Vanguard that's free to download but instead decided to charge $70 for a Triple A game on the Nintendo Switch when it's brought less players into Vanguard while also causing veterans of the game to quit entirely. Also the OverTrigger NEEDS TO GO or at least design new cards that make this broken game mechanic less broken. Did I also mention that Vanguard has been rebooted twice already? For the love of God Bushiroad, PLEASE make the official Tournament Structure for Vanguard Best 2 out of 3 Swiss Rounds with a Top Cut instead of Best of 1 or 2 Single Elimination. I get that the judges don't want to call time on matches for players taking too long to resolve games. Heck, Pokémon TCG still does Best 2 out of 3 Swiss Rounds with a Top Cut but for Vanguard Bushiroad doesn't care because the game is only active in Singapore and Japan. Bushiroad stopped caring about North America YEARS ago.
I agree that IP appeal is one of the biggest reasons the games have survived. For Weiss Schwarz especially. Even if you don't like the gameplay, you can buy the cards, the booster packs, etc. to get cool merchandise dor series you enjoy! But then for the folks that do enjoy the gameplay, they have that as their primary motivating factor. Add to that fact that Series can only be played by themselves (i.e. a Frieren deck can only play Frieren cards) and it makes decks really easy to build, since you don't need some random card that was last printed 10 years ago (unless your series had an older set.) So it doesn't have the same shortcomings as Yugioh and Magic sometimes run into, where decks get this huge price barrier to be played competitively.
He likes drawing cards ... We need to introduce him to the Great Nature Clan in Premium. He needs to play the Big Fat Panda. It's BIG BELLY TIME. Fun deck. Just don't deck out, that's an auto lose 😂
Imo vanguard anime is the best TCG anime ever, not only the plot but the competitive aspect irl that portrayed really well in the anime like how the deckbuilding goes, strategies to counter some deck,etc. not only that I even learned the basic gameplay from anime and they explained it really well
I love Weiss. I got sucked in after being exposed to it via a couple box openings. I love the sets are evergreen and don't rotate. Vangard I haven't really played but it's gaining ground here.
Vanguard was such a fun game the thing that prevents people from getting into and making it bigger than it can be is the fear of another reboot. I’ve personally have gone through 2 of them and it hurts knowing all your cards that you loved instantly become unusable due to the reboot. After the second one I was done game is to risky.
Bushiroad literally announced they had a 10 year plan with D though, and we're only on the 3rd year. The game is not going to reboot again, at least not for another good while, if at all. And now V Premium (the 2018 reboot, which was Standard until the 2021 reboot overDress) has been relegated to side events, and once all grade 1 supporters for G Guardians are out there'll likely be no more V cards. D is on track to have had more main booster sets than any of it's predecessors (OG and G had 17 and 14 respectively, V had 12, and D+DZ so far has 15 (18 including upcoming releases))
Another few things to take into account : 1. As far as i remember correctly, VG and WS doesnt have rotation system, because as we know, more rotation = more money spent, its not budget friendly, take weiss for example, i can simply bring series like lucky star into shirokuro and boom, my deck is still eligible for tournaments 2. WS is so much cheaper compared to any other card games because your deck will only be getting support 1-3 years once, and thats if your series celebrates anniv or second season, weiss can get pretty expensive to get into, but so much cheaper to maintain down the road
I absolutely love and adore Cardfight!! Vanguard. 😊 I discovered it through the V-series/2018 reboot anime after I'd become disillusioned with Yu-Gi-Oh!, which I've been trying to repair my relationship with recently. I personally think it has a great gameplay flow, and I love all the mechanics they've introduced since its inception. I wish they could eventually reintroduce a lot of them in current Vanguard somehow. I want to see Vanguard get more attention, which I believe it deserves because it's such a solid game to me. :) Stand up, Vanguard! 😄 I've frequently gone back and forth on Weiß Schwarz. On one hand, I like that it seems to be, as one person once described it to me, more collector oriented in a way. The freedom to prioritize sets based on an IP of interest is nice, at least while it's still actively in print. I also genuinely enjoy much of the gameplay, aside from maybe one or two things. Not that I can be sure though, as I haven't been able to play it myself yet. 😅 I just haven't been sure whether I want to play it out of some sense of obligation or not, but that's more an issue with me than the game itself. Another benefit though, if someone were to decide they didn't enjoy playing the game, they'd at least get some cool cards based around a favourite IP of theirs. :)
Next you should check out Digimon as it is now in 2024. It's a great game and it's got a lot of draws per turn as well and a lot of different build variety with how many archetypes there are now.
Quite frankly the reason why vanguard will always be my top 3 (maybe 1) tcgs is because it’s the most interactive game I’ve played and most fun. And whenever I come from a game from yugioh vangaurd just feels like a cleanse from solitaire with extra steps (love yugioh but I like enjoying playing the game lol) the guard and trigger system is so good the suspense is everything like a real fight. Very rarely do you ever feel like you can’t do anything at all even taking locking and stunning into account even then just play standard. So win or lose I almost never feel cheated like again yugioh. only reason it’s not guaranteed #1 is cuz how bushi has treated the west + recent starters being all vanillas/lack of good starters
It didn't die because its a less popular IP. the game not being distributed here officially is what killed it, the rotations also didn't help, but when a casual deck is more expensive than a rogue or tier 2 yugioh deck (pretty expensive here still) it makes people wonder why they are even playing it. Digimon is also having this problem and will soon follow vgs footsteps in brazil, having a small community and unnable to grow
Good job on the last Reboot which is Overdress. Almost 80% of the fandom quit between G and V series because the powercreep is just too much in standard, but they finally balance everything and not killing units every 2 months like they used to before. and even Spell and Field cards too (Order cards).
There's: Shadowverse Evolve Grand Archive Wixoss MTG Pokemon YuGiOh Lorcana One Piece Flesh and Blood Star Wars Unlimited Digimon Weiss Schwarz Cardfight Vanguard Union Arena Dragonball Super Alpha Clash Force of Will Gate Ruler Final Fantasy TCG UniVersus Sorcery Battle Spirits Saga + a bunch of Kickstarter games in 2024 like Warlord, Altered and Fabled Sagas
Heeyyy! Welcome to the weiss schwarz community! Yes! I agree! Weiss schwarz is fun! Been playing the game for over 4 years now and I gotta say, I wish I've found the game sooner. It is indeed the smash bros card verse type game and having (mostly) anime ips as well as vtubers and even cartoons etc. Is just icing on the cake. I'm a player who came from yu gi oh and played that for almost 10 years but that game has gotten worse over the years gameplay wise. Which brings me to my point, weiss schwarz and even vanguard are Fair games! Unlike yu gi oh. It makes me happy to see other card players try and like weiss. Again, welcome, and thanks for the video.
@RedZoneRogue np and I do have a video of weiss schwarz but smash bros shared via yt link if interested? Otherwise, thanks again, and I hope you enjoy the game there.
I tried weiss schwarz and I just didn't enjoy it. I played vanguard for 8 years and enjoyed my time in it and made friends from it. I just can't afford more than one card game at the moment. I might get back into it once I get a new job and can afford it idk.
While I play Yu-gi-oh, Cardfight Vanguard is my favorite. The game really is fun, interactive, and addictive. It is actually skill based, and you have to care about probability as well a bit more compared to other tcgs
I love vanguard been playing it since yr1 The issue that holds vanguard back and why it's not longer in the top 4 card games rivaling yugioh for that 3rd slot like it did in G format is entirely bushiroads inability to keep powercreep in check, and it only got worse since they started rebooting the game several times. G format just needed 2 cards banned but and I quote "we don't not want to have a large banlist like yugioh" they chose banning the whole game over 2 cards and pandering nostalgia for V format, which killed the game. They realized 2 yrs into it that the powercreep was so bad they had to reboot the game just to make Over triggers and vanilla the format which killed the game a 2nd time, and by the time they realized what went wrong they refused to accept over triggers are a problem, and started the V era powercreep again while also doing nostalgia pandering. Unfortunately burning your playerbase not once not twice but 3 times typically causes them to move to other games. I love vanguard and Fated Clash & Illusionary Strife make an amazing cube format but unfortunately bushiroad has taken too long to find a middle ground and I don't think it will last much longer but who knows it survived 2 reboots, I'm sure the next one next year or the year after will fix the game surely
"DRAGON MAID" WEISS uses Manga Panels to avoid ANIME HOLDERS who didn't want the set in the west. I suggest checking out the art and the MDR RARITY of the cards because they are good! Computer scans don't do them justice but if you see them in person it's so nice!
Welcome to the world of bushi OG cardgame. Where luck genuinely run supreme than any tactics you'll have. For Vanguard trigger system is the epitome of luck. Especially when they introduced Over triggers. While Weiss Schwarz is actually required less luck than in VG. Climax system makes defensive move in WS is basically make your deck as thin as possible. But they also made cards thats actually punished you if you do this. Be warned they genuinely looks fun now because you just start playing. But it'll be extremely gratings because again, no matter you do luck is reign supreme in bushi OG TCG. Its actually why it never take off in the west.
Yeah I played vanguard's original first format (the g standard era). When I heard they were getting a reboot (the v premium format) I quit. I did not want to buy essentially stronger versions of cards I already owned, and the whole imaginary gift thing sounded childish to me (like buddyfight, which I also tried despite knowing it was more for kids). I (sort of) recently bought old cards just to try g standard again, and it was decent. But I will never get back and buy or play the new vanguard cards, I will only play g standard. As for weiss, I tried it recently with the azur lane decks. I wanted to get into weiss because they had mushoku tensei cards and that is my second favorite anime of all time. However, I did not find the game to be enjoyable. Maybe like you said, the screenshot art is lazy, or I just did not like the pacing and confusing rules. I also have no idea how to build decks for weiss. Shadowverse evolve is my main game now. I find it very fun, so much so that I quit yugioh and am selling cards just to make room for shadowverse lol. Very much looking forward to purchasing the gloryfinder set.
Cardfight and Weiss forces you to actually play a game unlike like Yu-Gi-Oh, MTG, and Digimon where it feels like you don't get to play half the time. Pokemon doesn't have enough interaction so it just depends who gets setup first, etc.
I have 2 decks of Weiss Schwarz, Suiseiś and Korone´s. Two complains: No original arts and small fonts. Bus I stll like the game. Having multiples franchises, Weiss Schwarz escape been terminated if a contract expires.
Been playing vanguard for a long time recently quit for GA vanguard just got so bad... surunai too broken ruined standard by adding those awful g era mechanics feel happier in my new tcg
Standard Vanguard is genuinely great with all the interesting playstyles and the Stride decks have been nerfed in a variety of ways which has caused them to fall off competitively a bit. People that play for fun don't even touch the Stride decks due to how good they are (but also comparatively uninteresting since they just rehash something from like 7 years ago but in a new and updated flavour with some new support). I wouldn't say they ruined Standard, especially when considering how good so many other decks are as well now and the nerfs they've gotten (or in EN's case, will get).
my first ever TCG was CFV and to be honest I love it but I cannot understand on how Bushiroad mishandles it to name a few of my nitpicks from playing since 2017: >Overtriggers. I get its a one of, but it can stop anything or power everything I prefer it not being banned its better if its 100mil power was lowered to 20k power which is still big >lack of premium support or bans/restricts like really there's the same top 3 decks in premium >Stride decksets. If they want strides back then just bring it back without the crest and if one is released then it would dominate for a few months >promos. Oh tl:dr every Eva deck's prices was higher than a premium deck when the promo was released which they could've made RR or Rs >lack of promotion in the west. I swear only youtubers are advertising it I love the game and to be honest I've competed in regionals but man bushi just gotta straighten up and understand that the west is different from Japan. Tl:dr: the game is good no hate at all but the company just gotta do better
Appreciate everyones experienced opinions in the commets! Remember to keep things civil
Lemme know if you'd like to see more CFV or Weiss from me!
Personally I'd like to see more shadowverse content :)
@@SoloSekai Oh that's a given 100%! It's my favorite game to play after all haha working on some gameplay and deck profile stuff!
Absolute would love to see more CFV and WS content!
Vanguard is special to me, specifically because that is the game that really made me want to play a TCG when I was a kid. I really hope to hear and see more of your thoughts on this game.
Please make more CfV videos! The player base is so small here in the states and its such a good game
As a wise person on the internet once said about why people like playing Vanguard over some other TCGs, “We live and die by the trigger.”
Al filo del mañana
Have played both games too. Vanguard is truly fun and competitive. The problem with it is the scarcity of player base. But if Vanguard is a thing in a certain local, then one will have fun playing it. As for Weiss, I agree that the screenshot art doesn't appeal as much. But once your favorite IP gets introduced to it, you kinda get interested in getting one too, which at least is what happened to me. Weiss is one of the fun casual TCGs for me. Excited to see you showcasing your decks in your future videos!
you are spittin
Vanguard as a concept game was amazing. I've been playing since the first set of OG vanguard. It had two big rough patches (Once during the end of G era and then again during the first reboot of V and covid). Our locals constantly flux in attendance but it's stayed active.
as someone thats been playing VG sibce the start of the EN release of VG (i literally watched the anime when i was in elementary school), VG's survival is a miracle honestly, the game almost died during covid due to the first reboot being really bad at the start, got better in the middle, and then just straight up power creep galore with uninteresting effects (literally some of these effects were just copy pasted/is similar to each other), those were actual dark ages of VG
but then Overdress and D Era came around and practically revived the game, literally gave life to the game as we know it now and honestly its been thriving, and i hope to see it grow even bigger.
edit: i will say one thing i wish VG would do is make better beginner product, the first decks for Overdress were fantastic and i wished they kept it up, but they kinda fumbled the bag twice with starter products
but funnily enough they bundled a deck in corocoro recently (yes that corcoro) where its basically what people wanted with a beginner product, so hopefully this is a sign that hopefully next year we're gonna get good beginner product
Gonna add more to this with much agreement
VG surviving is a straight up miracle with how horrible Bushi handle the game. Some can call me a hater but I have been playing since TD01 Blaster Blade.
1st batch of OD was amazing buttttttt I will never say that Vanguard is affordable, yes even with Stride deck option because they are now illegal out of the box, you will need an additional 15-20$ to buy the new QSD to get the energery crest. (But then if u buy it, Nui or Luard will be BDIF- Sure, Nui need tenyi, g3 cycle, g2 eb cycle while Luard is cheaper after the hit but the hostage build will get you time out in touernermant)- Just wait till when they get their promo..... I am think 45 a pop.
Promo will always be a problem here same with OT, every content creators out there already gave up on these 2 problems because how deaf Bushi is to it's international audience.
Banlist is like months late compared to Japan, even with additional data, they will just copy and paste the ban list.
To who watching this vid and thinking of starting VG, don't. Play Wiess, OP, Pokemon. This game ain't it without the nostalgia due to the cost to play it
@@jaylucksackplus one on the sentiment. Genuinely play Vanguard if you love the IP and definitely didn't need money because this one is extremely expensive. And the same thing that made the game fun is also the same thing that would frustrate you in the future.
Weiss Schwarz is the place where most Vanguard vets reside nowadays.
I'd say that with Vanguard, it still follows the whole Magic system of playing a slower resource game. What I love about Vanguard is that you can make last minute comebacks with the trigger mechanic. It's both a blessing and curse but makes for some very memorable moments overall. Not only that, but your damage also being a resource was a really cool concept that stood out to me. As a fellow Charmout player, the deck is very beginner friendly. You'll be swinging for big numbers and drawing a lot of cards.
Charmout I'm really looking forward to playing the deck
@@RedZoneRogue Hope you enjoy! Looking forward to more CFV and SVE content.
I just don't agree with Vanguard being a slow resource game like MTG..
The game has no mana system, every card does something, you play much more every turn and can play more from the beginning if you choose to, you draw much more and there are no costs to play any card only to activate abilities and those are normally easy to be able to pay if playing correctly..
The trigger mechanic won't save you so often if you don't play correctly with the exception of overtriggers which everyone wants to see out of the game hahah
@@DDFKPD I thought about it, and I think you're partially right. Vanguard isn't as slow as something like Magic where the first turn or two is generally setting up lands (from my limited knowledge) for future turns. However, I will still stand by my point that Vanguard is a resource game. Just about every decision you make is a resource trade albeit some more indirectly than others, and being able to make the right call each time is what the game's all about. As for the trigger mechanic, I find that it does come up often, even if a player isn't playing optimally or is making misplays. When two high level players duke it out, triggers can affect the outcome of the game, even if both sides are coming in prepared.
@@johnnywu8708 Haha well, I have no problem with calling Vanguard a resource game, my point was that it os far from slow and very different then the resource mechanics of MTG.
Beyond that calling it a resource game is great haha the game does this very good after all and the decision making due to that is very fun and deep.
Regarding the Triggers,
When you speak about a game generally it is important to differentiate between what could possibly happen and what normally happens in most games.. although the games we remember the most are those who had someone triple crit at the most unexpected moment or saved by a heal trigger, those games aren't the common games you see all the time, and players in general don't win due to such conditions very often.. moreover by playing smart and not against your decks perfect counter you wouldn't lose so easily to a strong drivecheck.
I agree that 2 players that make no mistakes (very rarely happens) while also using decks that have no advantage over one another, who both draw into the right pieces at the right time, might end up losing or winning due to triggers :) but the same can be said on any luck based mechanic in any game that has such a mechanic in it so I don't see how such a specific condition is important to note at all 😅
The strongest proof of that btw is that if you look at the results of tournaments you can see that (in general) top players reach the top results every time, so being a better and more experienced player is absolutely much more important for winning than having luck with triggers 😉
I LOVE Vanguard! (Oh, and if we ever happen to bump into each other irl somewhere someday, I'd love to have a cardfight with you, or even a game of GA (btw, perhaps you remember me from a comment on one of your GA videos? I'm the guy that pulled a CSR Diana, Duskstalker).
And I really want to get more into the game. If only I had the time and energy to do so...
And even if I'd host some kind of beginner event it might still be hard to get people interested, since the Vanguard community in my local area is like 6 people while Magic and YGO are by far the most popular with MTG having weekly events at my LGS and YGO having a group promoted at the LGS (though meetups are elsewhere).
I will try though when I have the means to do so (i.e. more time and energy).
Then there's another point of contention I will go into below...
The bit of a sad part is that the D start decks (those 5 bucks ones) are now a bit harder to actually come by, but since Divinez started there were some changes made to the format that entail a increase in deck size (from 46 main + 4 ride to 50 main + 4 ride) and the addition of a new resource which requires a Crest (that goes in the ride deck, so it's actually 50 + 5). The kicker is that the Crest is only available from the new starter products released along with Divinez, the Start Up Trial Decks, which sell for like $15 or more, and you need the crest for your deck to be legal (which granted is not a issue if all you do is play casually or in non-official tournaments). The worst part with the crest is the fact it has so far literally only been printed in the Start Up Trial Decks, with there being special versions given out at events and tournaments. A card, that literally all players MUST have, only being available from a starter product that provides little of value to existing players outside of that one card (and promos).
But the biggest issue with those new starter products is really the price and what's included, especially when compared to the start decks from the start of overDress: the start up trial decks are literally almost entirely vanilla except for the main Vanguard and the sentinel with the skill-bearing versions of the other cards being in the booster set (ugh), the crest and a energy counter, two promo cards, a little sheet of counters for power and critical and a pack of sleeves that lack a bit in quality, while the start decks from early D comes with a full deck of cards with skills (bar some vanillas and the triggers) and not much else (quick start guide and paper playmat of course, but that's in all starter products anyway). And the absolute insanity here? The Start Up Trial Decks don't even come with an Over Trigger, nor does the new video tutorial on the official channel touch upon it! Literally the most debated thing in the format isn't even introduced to new players through neither their starting product (if they get the new one) nor the official tutorial, isn't that crazy?
Love Vanguard it has quickly become one of if not my go to card game since getting into it while zero was still around. I have tried getting into Weiss Schwartz but keep finding it harder to learn with everything going on, just wish there was a easier learning curve, maybe I'll give it another shot based on your recommendation.
I've been playing Wiess and vanguard for 10 so on years, they are probably the games I choose over others TCGs. I do wish more people and shops would give the games a fair chance, since the games have a fun and competitive way of playing
+1 on both Vanguard and Weiss content. They're really fun and underrated imho. Okay, maybe Vanguard not so much, but there's a good reason both of these games have been on the top grossing list in Japan for so long.
Been playing weiss for a year now. We have a local community of around 10 players. The release of Ang the last Airbender got me in and i am looking forward so much for Freiren this November!
I play both vanguard and Weiss and I’ll talk about Weiss here since I’ve been getting more into that recently but one thing I like about Weiss is the active deck reconstruction during a match as you clock more cards put a few to back stage and maybe memory alongside what’ll go into your stock some times
I'm a huge Weiss player, and have only recently delved slightly into both SVE and VG. I think the reason that appealed me to try is the collab sets, similar to why I love the diversity of different anime in WS. If it wasn't for Uma for SVE and Bang Dream for VG, I wouldn't be touching those games at all, and I'm glad to be trying a lot more of Bushiroad's fun games
As a kid TCG’s always had me enamoured. I’ve played many growing up, yugioh, mtg, Pokémon and loved them dearly but could never stick to one.
Sometime at a Con while in high school I saw CFV and have been following it since.
I think the game in its core design is fun af, and the trigger mechanic makes you feel there’s never a reason to scoop.
Interesting to hear your thoughts on weiss. If you ever need the best crash course for the game from someone who goes to worlds/nationals and topped a ton, feel free to reach out and I'm down to pass along the knowledge.
I can second this. I have multiple tops in both English and Japanese formats myself and can vouch for BurnOne; I've known them for a while, and they know their stuff.
to THIS day I have no idea how to play Weiss schwarz despite watching plenty of how to videos
Weiss Schwarz is one of the most simple game to learn and very greatly difficult to play optimally due to the game only way to stop receiving damage is the climax and that can at times really put a stress pressure when it trolls you.
WS is a game you must play with a open mind and not been salty about the luck, and when you do you will enjoy the game with the resource building up and manage it.
WS is subject to the deck and series, but if you really want a casual TCG that doesn't have to keep up with rotation of meta and ban list that WS is your game. Because I am having a heavy commitment with family and work and the only TCG that i can return after month or 1 year away it will still be digestible to return
Love me some Weiss Schwarz. The community is great
Vanguard survived because its a game that yugioh players go once their format becomes shit.
Also, its really big in asia and other countries because the channel animax aired it like how yugioh was aired in 2002, so alot of nostalgia for the kids at the time.
True. Vanguard is so good. Even in Ukraine, it's not popular, but people love this anime and game, we have people who playing. But more is mtg actually. In others countries EU this game have place too
I've been dismissive of Vanguard for years before stumbling onto the original anime and realising how true to life it was. Then I realised that there's way more strategic potential then I thought and the game is way more than 'whoever puts the bigger creature wins'...
It's also so dynamic and interactive.
Recently got back into vanguard after i found players at my college and then we found a group of players at our locals it truly is a fun game, a back and forth fight where almost anything can happen on top of strategic plays.
It is really so much fun, personally to me feels much more action oriented than other tcg because of the trigger mechanic
I really would like to see your vanguard and weiss content
Vanguard is fun i like their clan/nation structure .
I was at the anime expo too, and while I couldn't get into a Shadowverse or Weiss game, I did manage to snag a game of Vanguard on the last day.
I was fortunate enough to play against a guy who played the game in the past, and since I at least have some experience with TCGs(Yugioh, Pokemon, and Magic), the game went by pretty smoothly.
In my experience, this is how I summarized Vanguard. "It's like playing Commander in Magic except your Commander evolves every turn like Pokemon, and once it hits Grade 3 you can V-Max it with another copy. Then when you attack, it's like a game of who has more Honests(Yugioh)."
Overall, yeah it's actually a pretty fun game. Granted, would have to find people to play with.
I was at AX too! Got to test the Hololive tcg! As a long time Vanguard player with some Weiss experience, I'd love to see more content on both games.
I tested the Hololive game too! I thought it was pretty interesting and really want to give it a proper try with full decks
@@RedZoneRogue Can't wait till the game is fully developed
Weiß Schwarz is a new personal favorite of mine. well, newer. As an aspiring game designer, I can't help but be fascinated by its system.
I will say, in regards to Weiss, not all cards have "screenshot artwork." There is a lot of other art as well, and depending on the series, they can also come from light novels, game images, or other promotional/original imagery. The downside is that there is a lot of that screenshot stuff, and I do agree that sometimes that is a bit boring to look at depending on how or where it was pulled from.
Vanguard is my favorite game and i think a glaring problem with the game started way back in the G series. Stride was a very blatant and obvious power creep that made the game drastically more expensive. Needing 2 copies of a card to use it once for most of the skills and finishers. Then they kept power creeping it with each season.
They thankfully nuked it back with the v series which was great at the time. The anime followed the manga. It felt like the game would have some longevity again. But then the problem there was that the V series was too short. Anime dont have the long seasons like they used to. And a big appeal of OG vanguard was that season 1 was very long and you saw the growth of these characters and things felt fleshed out. The V series onwards, it all felt rushed. One episode it was psyqualia, then the high school tournament and then it was over.
Then the result with the constant nuking and restarting of the anime series resulted in constant format changes or big rule changes faster than yugioh.
The overdress series has done a good job at keeping things feel fairly consistent but its so late in the lifespan of vanguard that alot of the players have already left. Which is also impacting the card prices. Youthberk? If i built that irl when he came out id never financially recover from that.
Dear days is good for keeping vanguard going but good god its expensive. Cardfight online would have done wonders if they didnt cancel that game. The later half of G and the V series is where bushi kept fucking around with vanguard that killed off a good chunk of its player base sadly.
I have a lot of experience with the games though on very narrow formats (most of break ride era for vanguard and 2013-2016 for Weiss). The games late game decision making in balancing aggression; resource management and pressure is bar none. Most of the early game at that time was simply pushing for enough DMG while keeping your hand loaded to prevent crack backs. But those late game scenarios where both players board gets built and it becomes a game of bluffing to see what you would do with attacks and guards are so fun. Plus triggers as cheesey as they can make the game (far more for Weiss than vanguard): give a dopamine hit that even yugioh cant quite replicate. Winning very close matches due to a critical trigger will always be highlights in my TCG experience
Thank you for the in depth comment 🙏
Excellent question. Bushiroad keeps making the same game, and it keeps working, it's bizarre. It's also bizarre that Weiss Schwarz came first, I had always assumed that WS was created as "Vanguard but with your favourite IPs", but apparently Vanguard was "Weiss Schwarz but with our own IP". Another weird thing about Bushiroad games is how insular they are. If you talk to someone who plays any of the big 3, they'll have opinions on all of the big 3, and these days also some of the smaller new games like Lorcana or Keyforge or Digimon, but they will never have even looked at Vanguard. And in my experience, when you talk to a Vanguard player, that's the only game they'll know about - they've probably played a bit of Yugioh, but they won't ever have been into it, and they'll never have looked at MTG or any of the small non-Bushiroad games. It's like Bushiroad players are on the other side of a big river, and no one has ever thought to try building a bridge.
Vanguard drew me in because it felt more down and balanced compared to Yugioh or Magic, like even if you where playing a deck you scrounged together and didn't get all best cards for, you could still win if you had the right trigger luck and played your game well. Personally I wish it just could catch on more in the west because I want more people to cardfight. Its a great game past the fact its hard to find other players.
I can't comment for vanguard since I don't really play the game.
But for WS, I too am surprised that the game is still around.
For context, I played jp WS from 2009 to 2015. I supposed the game had since evolved and changed for the better.
Cause in my hometown, I do feel that the player pool has been stagnant, ie no growth, newbies coming in, but oldies leaving.
I used to like the business model of WS, just buy into one IP and that's it. Just play what you like and that's all cool. I used to have a max-rarity Yuki Nagato (The melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi) fan deck - full foils, VA signature stamps and relevant promo cards.
But the problem to me and many oldies is that this model is seasonal. Once your favorite IP had passed their time, then there is no incentive for Bushiroad to upkeep that IP. Powercreep and whatnot soon burn the interest away, and that's how I left the game completely.
There was a time when the mix & match format for WS was interesting, I would have continued playing WS if Bushiroad had not killed it off. Context - there was a broken combo involving a number of IPs, and the end state of that combo was that the opponent would have 0 cards in hand. Bushiroad probably panic and made all IPs going forward interact within themselves only. There's no more drive to think of interesting card interactions, no fresh ideas, decks within any given IP just build itself around 1 or 2 lynchpin cards, old IPs lost in time.
**sorry if this comes off as a rant, I do however wish that your interest in WS and vanguard burn on. Peace.
Aye was just going to return to vanguard too. Wooo
Not a Vanguard player but ive just recently pick Weiss Schwarz back up after i used to play in 2012. Started with Disgaea back in 2011, then Hololive recently got me back into the game. I dabble into other games like Shadowverse, Star Wars Unlimited, and FaB, but Weiss is definitely on top for me.
I know what I'm saying will be quite ironic, but when it comes to vanguard I hate the luck based mechanic for trigger checks or anything luck based in general, but because of that it's very unique so I hold it in high respect. I do enjoy playing vanguard too, but I'm heavily discouraged to play it now due to how vast the mechanics are now.
CFV is an amazing game! Please do more content on it :) But.. As a huge cfv collector who's been around for 10 years of the game.. Try the Premium version of the game after you master the Standard version ;) it is even more fun than Standard
Welcome to the world of Weiss & Cardfight Vanguard. I been playing vanguard since set 1 OG. For Weiss been playing since the first set for SAO. I really like both games. So I would definitely appreciate more content on both Weiss & Vanguard. I got into both games due to the waifu thing 😂. Eva & Aurora Battle Princess are the two decks I play for vanguard. For Weiss I play Date a Live Kurumi & Tohka Waifu decks
Fate Grand Order The Lion King deck & Arifureta Yue waifu deck.
Vanguard especially has gone to a very simple yet refined format that make ven beginner player pick up the game basis quickly, even with now added energy system player can kept playing with their old deck
Sadly Bushiroad has done literally NOTHING to address the issues as to why Vanguard has been dead in North America since the COVID-19 Pandemic started. For starters, making the game more affordable and accessible with more print runs and reprints of popular cards would be a good start. Designing promo cards that are staples in specific decks in order to bait players into playing at official events as a crutch for TERRIBLE prize support is just downright insulting.
Bushiroad REALLY should've followed what Konami did with Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel to get more new and old players into Vanguard that's free to download but instead decided to charge $70 for a Triple A game on the Nintendo Switch when it's brought less players into Vanguard while also causing veterans of the game to quit entirely. Also the OverTrigger NEEDS TO GO or at least design new cards that make this broken game mechanic less broken. Did I also mention that Vanguard has been rebooted twice already?
For the love of God Bushiroad, PLEASE make the official Tournament Structure for Vanguard Best 2 out of 3 Swiss Rounds with a Top Cut instead of Best of 1 or 2 Single Elimination. I get that the judges don't want to call time on matches for players taking too long to resolve games. Heck, Pokémon TCG still does Best 2 out of 3 Swiss Rounds with a Top Cut but for Vanguard Bushiroad doesn't care because the game is only active in Singapore and Japan. Bushiroad stopped caring about North America YEARS ago.
For vanguard the answer is anime that’s how i got into it as well
For the other one just waifus simple lol
I agree that IP appeal is one of the biggest reasons the games have survived. For Weiss Schwarz especially. Even if you don't like the gameplay, you can buy the cards, the booster packs, etc. to get cool merchandise dor series you enjoy!
But then for the folks that do enjoy the gameplay, they have that as their primary motivating factor. Add to that fact that Series can only be played by themselves (i.e. a Frieren deck can only play Frieren cards) and it makes decks really easy to build, since you don't need some random card that was last printed 10 years ago (unless your series had an older set.) So it doesn't have the same shortcomings as Yugioh and Magic sometimes run into, where decks get this huge price barrier to be played competitively.
He likes drawing cards ...
We need to introduce him to the Great Nature Clan in Premium.
He needs to play the Big Fat Panda.
It's BIG BELLY TIME. Fun deck. Just don't deck out, that's an auto lose 😂
Imo vanguard anime is the best TCG anime ever, not only the plot but the competitive aspect irl that portrayed really well in the anime like how the deckbuilding goes, strategies to counter some deck,etc. not only that I even learned the basic gameplay from anime and they explained it really well
If only we still had that game store that sells Vanguard , id still be playing
I love Weiss. I got sucked in after being exposed to it via a couple box openings. I love the sets are evergreen and don't rotate. Vangard I haven't really played but it's gaining ground here.
Vanguard was such a fun game the thing that prevents people from getting into and making it bigger than it can be is the fear of another reboot. I’ve personally have gone through 2 of them and it hurts knowing all your cards that you loved instantly become unusable due to the reboot. After the second one I was done game is to risky.
Reminds me a bit of set rotation in games like mtg
Nah the game is super stable now and is probably the healthiest it's ever been.
Bushiroad literally announced they had a 10 year plan with D though, and we're only on the 3rd year. The game is not going to reboot again, at least not for another good while, if at all.
And now V Premium (the 2018 reboot, which was Standard until the 2021 reboot overDress) has been relegated to side events, and once all grade 1 supporters for G Guardians are out there'll likely be no more V cards. D is on track to have had more main booster sets than any of it's predecessors (OG and G had 17 and 14 respectively, V had 12, and D+DZ so far has 15 (18 including upcoming releases))
@@ZhadTheRad oh I didn't know about the 10 year plan - that's good intel!
Another few things to take into account :
1. As far as i remember correctly, VG and WS doesnt have rotation system, because as we know, more rotation = more money spent, its not budget friendly, take weiss for example, i can simply bring series like lucky star into shirokuro and boom, my deck is still eligible for tournaments
2. WS is so much cheaper compared to any other card games because your deck will only be getting support 1-3 years once, and thats if your series celebrates anniv or second season, weiss can get pretty expensive to get into, but so much cheaper to maintain down the road
I can't wait for more Weiss Schwarz content 👍
Vanguard 500 times better
I absolutely love and adore Cardfight!! Vanguard. 😊 I discovered it through the V-series/2018 reboot anime after I'd become disillusioned with Yu-Gi-Oh!, which I've been trying to repair my relationship with recently. I personally think it has a great gameplay flow, and I love all the mechanics they've introduced since its inception. I wish they could eventually reintroduce a lot of them in current Vanguard somehow. I want to see Vanguard get more attention, which I believe it deserves because it's such a solid game to me. :) Stand up, Vanguard! 😄
I've frequently gone back and forth on Weiß Schwarz. On one hand, I like that it seems to be, as one person once described it to me, more collector oriented in a way. The freedom to prioritize sets based on an IP of interest is nice, at least while it's still actively in print. I also genuinely enjoy much of the gameplay, aside from maybe one or two things. Not that I can be sure though, as I haven't been able to play it myself yet. 😅 I just haven't been sure whether I want to play it out of some sense of obligation or not, but that's more an issue with me than the game itself. Another benefit though, if someone were to decide they didn't enjoy playing the game, they'd at least get some cool cards based around a favourite IP of theirs. :)
Next you should check out Digimon as it is now in 2024. It's a great game and it's got a lot of draws per turn as well and a lot of different build variety with how many archetypes there are now.
Quite frankly the reason why vanguard will always be my top 3 (maybe 1) tcgs is because it’s the most interactive game I’ve played and most fun. And whenever I come from a game from yugioh vangaurd just feels like a cleanse from solitaire with extra steps (love yugioh but I like enjoying playing the game lol) the guard and trigger system is so good the suspense is everything like a real fight. Very rarely do you ever feel like you can’t do anything at all even taking locking and stunning into account even then just play standard. So win or lose I almost never feel cheated like again yugioh. only reason it’s not guaranteed #1 is cuz how bushi has treated the west + recent starters being all vanillas/lack of good starters
Vanguard died here in Brazil, I guess anime TCGs just have a limited audience without a big IP to help
That's too bad, I was reading an article that said the game has increased by 20% in Japan or globally since last year
It didn't die because its a less popular IP. the game not being distributed here officially is what killed it, the rotations also didn't help, but when a casual deck is more expensive than a rogue or tier 2 yugioh deck (pretty expensive here still) it makes people wonder why they are even playing it. Digimon is also having this problem and will soon follow vgs footsteps in brazil, having a small community and unnable to grow
Good job on the last Reboot which is Overdress. Almost 80% of the fandom quit between G and V series because the powercreep is just too much in standard, but they finally balance everything and not killing units every 2 months like they used to before. and even Spell and Field cards too (Order cards).
What are some of the other TCG when it was said the market is oversaturated, besides MtG and Lorcana?
There's:
Shadowverse Evolve
Grand Archive
Wixoss
MTG
Pokemon
YuGiOh
Lorcana
One Piece
Flesh and Blood
Star Wars Unlimited
Digimon
Weiss Schwarz
Cardfight Vanguard
Union Arena
Dragonball Super
Alpha Clash
Force of Will
Gate Ruler
Final Fantasy TCG
UniVersus
Sorcery
Battle Spirits Saga
+ a bunch of Kickstarter games in 2024 like Warlord, Altered and Fabled Sagas
@@RedZoneRogue wow that's a lot, thank you
Heeyyy! Welcome to the weiss schwarz community! Yes! I agree! Weiss schwarz is fun! Been playing the game for over 4 years now and I gotta say, I wish I've found the game sooner. It is indeed the smash bros card verse type game and having (mostly) anime ips as well as vtubers and even cartoons etc. Is just icing on the cake. I'm a player who came from yu gi oh and played that for almost 10 years but that game has gotten worse over the years gameplay wise. Which brings me to my point, weiss schwarz and even vanguard are Fair games! Unlike yu gi oh. It makes me happy to see other card players try and like weiss. Again, welcome, and thanks for the video.
Thank you for the in-depth comment! I'll be checking the game out even more here on RZR over the next few weeks!
@RedZoneRogue np and I do have a video of weiss schwarz but smash bros shared via yt link if interested? Otherwise, thanks again, and I hope you enjoy the game there.
i still don't know how 2 of those outlived buddyfight lol
Vanguard is certainly fun, especially the premium format since power creep doesn't affect it as much
I tried weiss schwarz and I just didn't enjoy it. I played vanguard for 8 years and enjoyed my time in it and made friends from it. I just can't afford more than one card game at the moment. I might get back into it once I get a new job and can afford it idk.
Silent Tom to the Vanguard
While I play Yu-gi-oh, Cardfight Vanguard is my favorite. The game really is fun, interactive, and addictive. It is actually skill based, and you have to care about probability as well a bit more compared to other tcgs
I love vanguard been playing it since yr1
The issue that holds vanguard back and why it's not longer in the top 4 card games rivaling yugioh for that 3rd slot like it did in G format is entirely bushiroads inability to keep powercreep in check, and it only got worse since they started rebooting the game several times.
G format just needed 2 cards banned but and I quote "we don't not want to have a large banlist like yugioh" they chose banning the whole game over 2 cards and pandering nostalgia for V format, which killed the game.
They realized 2 yrs into it that the powercreep was so bad they had to reboot the game just to make Over triggers and vanilla the format which killed the game a 2nd time, and by the time they realized what went wrong they refused to accept over triggers are a problem, and started the V era powercreep again while also doing nostalgia pandering.
Unfortunately burning your playerbase not once not twice but 3 times typically causes them to move to other games.
I love vanguard and Fated Clash & Illusionary Strife make an amazing cube format but unfortunately bushiroad has taken too long to find a middle ground and I don't think it will last much longer but who knows it survived 2 reboots, I'm sure the next one next year or the year after will fix the game surely
"DRAGON MAID" WEISS uses Manga Panels to avoid ANIME HOLDERS who didn't want the set in the west. I suggest checking out the art and the MDR RARITY of the cards because they are good! Computer scans don't do them justice but if you see them in person it's so nice!
Welcome to the world of bushi OG cardgame. Where luck genuinely run supreme than any tactics you'll have.
For Vanguard trigger system is the epitome of luck. Especially when they introduced Over triggers.
While Weiss Schwarz is actually required less luck than in VG. Climax system makes defensive move in WS is basically make your deck as thin as possible. But they also made cards thats actually punished you if you do this.
Be warned they genuinely looks fun now because you just start playing. But it'll be extremely gratings because again, no matter you do luck is reign supreme in bushi OG TCG.
Its actually why it never take off in the west.
Yeah I played vanguard's original first format (the g standard era). When I heard they were getting a reboot (the v premium format) I quit. I did not want to buy essentially stronger versions of cards I already owned, and the whole imaginary gift thing sounded childish to me (like buddyfight, which I also tried despite knowing it was more for kids). I (sort of) recently bought old cards just to try g standard again, and it was decent. But I will never get back and buy or play the new vanguard cards, I will only play g standard.
As for weiss, I tried it recently with the azur lane decks. I wanted to get into weiss because they had mushoku tensei cards and that is my second favorite anime of all time. However, I did not find the game to be enjoyable. Maybe like you said, the screenshot art is lazy, or I just did not like the pacing and confusing rules. I also have no idea how to build decks for weiss.
Shadowverse evolve is my main game now. I find it very fun, so much so that I quit yugioh and am selling cards just to make room for shadowverse lol. Very much looking forward to purchasing the gloryfinder set.
Shadowverse Evolve is absolutely goated and my favorite game to play right now. The Gloryfinder set is incredible 👌
Vanguard has survived all this time because it's a SOLID ass game.
Is this as Global language only card games ? Cause in Japan language onky card game the oldests ones sre Duel Masters, Battle Spirits and Yu-Gi-Oh
Cardfight and Weiss forces you to actually play a game unlike like Yu-Gi-Oh, MTG, and Digimon where it feels like you don't get to play half the time. Pokemon doesn't have enough interaction so it just depends who gets setup first, etc.
weib schwartz can pelease to multiple fan bases. Cardfight is just too cool to die lol
Aps to why Vanguard has lasted so long. No idea. Because it still has the lack of product issues it syffered from since the start.
Vanguard is so fun. I fully regret not quitting yugioh sooner to play it more.
I have 2 decks of Weiss Schwarz, Suiseiś and Korone´s. Two complains: No original arts and small fonts. Bus I stll like the game.
Having multiples franchises, Weiss Schwarz escape been terminated if a contract expires.
Wasn't some of the art in the Hololive production vol 2 original art? They weren't screenshots at the very least.
@@rolvirata9003 Some are original, mostly not. I prefer all original, but i take what I get.
@FabricioKarim the new Bang Dream reprint set is 100% original art as I mention in the video. Will be doing a full vid on it soon
Forgot to comment and don’t remember what I would’ve said so… pretty sure I didn’t see any goblins so👎🏻😅
My my heartache is
One format made one set kill the game
Is the errata set
In CFV
But VG need to stop rebooting fr
Why?
Same reason as Yi-Gi-Oh:
Anime girl cringe
Simple, they scammed the players and threatened to shut the game down if they didn't buy into their bs lol
Been playing vanguard for a long time recently quit for GA vanguard just got so bad... surunai too broken ruined standard by adding those awful g era mechanics feel happier in my new tcg
Standard Vanguard is genuinely great with all the interesting playstyles and the Stride decks have been nerfed in a variety of ways which has caused them to fall off competitively a bit. People that play for fun don't even touch the Stride decks due to how good they are (but also comparatively uninteresting since they just rehash something from like 7 years ago but in a new and updated flavour with some new support). I wouldn't say they ruined Standard, especially when considering how good so many other decks are as well now and the nerfs they've gotten (or in EN's case, will get).
Weiss is not good game. I didn't like it, vanguard is the top for me.
my first ever TCG was CFV and to be honest I love it but I cannot understand on how Bushiroad mishandles it
to name a few of my nitpicks from playing since 2017:
>Overtriggers. I get its a one of, but it can stop anything or power everything I prefer it not being banned its better if its 100mil power was lowered to 20k power which is still big
>lack of premium support or bans/restricts like really there's the same top 3 decks in premium
>Stride decksets. If they want strides back then just bring it back without the crest and if one is released then it would dominate for a few months
>promos. Oh tl:dr every Eva deck's prices was higher than a premium deck when the promo was released which they could've made RR or Rs
>lack of promotion in the west. I swear only youtubers are advertising it
I love the game and to be honest I've competed in regionals but man bushi just gotta straighten up and understand that the west is different from Japan.
Tl:dr: the game is good no hate at all but the company just gotta do better