Ultimate TCG Tier List (2024)
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There are an overwhelming number of trading card games available on the market, from the big boys like Pokémon & Magic: The Gathering to the new indies such as Flesh and Blood TCG & MetaZoo.
Sahd and Fez are here to help, with a TCG Tier List!
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Nearly didn’t watch at all because FaB wasn’t there. In case that’s you, they add it later
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nobody else like its at 69
Incorrect
Digimon is the only TCG i have gone to locals just to play, and man its so fun, and the people that play it are so chill and excited to see players joining.
Agreed on the placement of Flesh and Blood. It brought me back into TCGs after I abandoned the hobby in the late 90s when I "outgrew" Pokemon.
Same, the change from Pokemon to FaB was quite the shock lol. The skill ceiling change was insane
Sold my 90's Mtg. After a long pause I'm in to FaB. Love it ❤
Same here!!!
FaB gave me that same feeling when I started Pokemon and MTG as a kid. Excellent game!
We Digimon TCG players are here, even tho we are few
Digimon is hands down the most fun TCG I've ever played! The memory gauge is the most unique part of it and it's what prevents long combos like you are forced to sit through in Yu-Gi-Oh
I think digimon is pretty toxic
@@thekillercub274how so? Player base or gameplay?
@MannyGamboaTV honestly the gameplay is the most luck based and sacky tcg for me. Decks require alot of moving pieces, most gameplay feels unsafe unless you get to your decks top end. Most games seem to be decided on who gets a level 6 and if your opponent can counter with thier own level 6 or its gg. Removal also seems to be an auto lose at times from how much memory it takes to build a decent stack and again the pieces to rebuild if it gets removed.
@@MannyGamboaTV Figures that guy couldn't answer a simple question you asked. Anytime when I genuinely want to have a discussion like an adult with a person who doesn't like something (can be anything) or labels stuff as "toxic", they always disappear into the wind because they have no real argument to support their claims other than their own say so with zero evidence.
As someone who plays very competitively, I couldn’t agree more. That said, I do like Lilith looping because I’m a sicko
Cardfight Vanguard and Pokemon are my two favorite games, and the biggest problem with Cardfight Vanguard is that it's too expensive and there is little room for skill expression in deck building and when playing imo. There's not a lot of generic cards for every deck, and half your deck is taken up by stuff like perfect guards and triggers. I still really like the game though! I just can't afford it. Pokemon is the opposite in every way, you can mix and match cards and its super cheap. I recommend giving them both a try if you can!
Its out of print but I wouldve loved to see a ranking of the Chaotic TCG. Such a damn unique game to me, shame that neither it nor its show ever got much traction.
It’s coming back. Creator just got the rights of the game back and is relaunching it
Digimon TCG now is what yugioh used to be for me when I was a child.
Star Wars placement seems spot on. Both set 1 and set 2 are outstanding and if it keeps up at this pace it could easily be an S tier card game
Weiss schwarz is a competitive game and lots of fun. It does have some people who just collect cards because their favorite IP joins but outside of that the community for this game is thriving and has been on going for over 10 years now. It's worth learning and has some cool interesting mechanics that are not used in every tcg. If you ever need someone to help go over it with you let me know. I've competed at worlds and have won and topped tons of regionals for the game. Though I've been taking a break from it since the meta for the game right now is pretty horrible.
Awesome! It sounds like I really need to give it a shot.
Your content looks great BTW! What's the current state of Shadowverse evolve? Looked really promising at set one, but honestly didn't follow so much after that.
@@GatheringGames I love the game and it has been my main physical game since set 1 release. It had a rough start due to the competitive circuit being an invite only for regional events but have since threw that system out for open events.
The newest set has been one of the big turning point in the game for the english release. When the current set was released in Japan it was praised as the big turning point for the game as it found it's direction and brought out more unique and fun decks.
SVE is a great game and worth trying out. It's probably one of the best times to get into the game imo as prices for singles right now are pretty affordable and they recently announced a tournament series that provides worlds invites.
I believe you guys are in EU from what I can tell from your content, (legit just found you guys from this video) I'm not super familiar with the EU market for the game though.
I played MTG competetively for 14 years. Traveled the world to play at GP's and local stores abroad.
When they started choking our wallets instead of making the game fun was when it started to fall down. I remember the early 2000's when a GP was a "magic"al experience. It felt like a one day nerdy indoor amusement park, and the price was reasonable. 30$ entry per person for a 2 headed sealed pool and both players got a playmat and dice on top of it.
But the last Legacy GP I played, I brought a 2500$ deck myself and still had to pay 50$ entry which only gave me a playmat. Limited GP's at that time were iirc well above 70$ entry.
If you hand that money back to your winners that's fine to me, but first place at GP only got 5000$. So with 2000 players attending, which was quite normal for a GP, out of 100k$ from entry alone, only a thin slice was handed back to the players. And they cut back on Pro Tours and other stuff too...
I still attended some Legacy GP's, funny enough at 50$ these were the most affordable because limited was jacked up high too, but when they announced no more Legacy GP's I said peace out.
Recently my son and I started playing Pokemon, and the limited does suck in comparision to MTG for sure, but
a) The game is dirt cheap to play
b) There are literally dozens of archetypes you can play and take down any tournament with
c) The prizing at these big tournaments are actually good (And will be better even starting next season)
d) Being an ex-mtg legacy player myself, I love to draw cards, combo etc... And decks in Pokemon tend to have lots of card drawing, synergies and little combos to try and win.
e) Last but not least, you get the feeling they want you to enjoy their game. Not give them all your money. Surely they would love that too, but they don't make it as obvious as WoTC.
I think Pokemon just get's the child treatment because that's where it started, but it's actually really good if you can see past that. And there's a reason it's worldwide the best selling tcg. (I am not sponsered btw lol)
MTG is my absolute favorite tcg to play but the constant exploitation is awful
Isn't the Pokemon TCG owned by WoTC?
@@Claytonator10 they used to help with printing but it isnt owned by them
@@demiurge2501 ah good to know
You should try FaB. It will fill up ur mtg thirst. I have only played mtg in the past as my tcg. FaB really is a GOOD game.
I compete heavily in the Digimon TCG. It’s great, we still get solid regional sizes, and the local scene for me at least is decent but not great. One of my favorite games I ever played. Current format is great, although a bit competitive skewed, as it’s hard to compete with rogue decks at the moment.
I’m curious, how big are digimon TCG regionals? Like, what is the average?
@@bolognagiri6443 it used to be capped around 500ish, and would meet that cap, now it’s capped at 300ish for some reason and meets that new cap.
Nationals was like 1000. Part of the cap (I’m pretty sure) is Bandai fits multiple games into one event
Fab is awesome
What also makes it so good is that I can see it being alive 5~10 years from now, cant say that about licensed IP games, especially Bandai games(they have just "killed" their DBS masters games)
I like how you gave a really fair summary of Yugioh. It seems like the game is mostly blindly hated by people who just aren't into the complexity or blindly supported by the top pros who can't understand why someone would just want a chill game to play. When yugioh has a good format, it is THE BEST competitive TCG in my opinion (in terms of gameplay/skill not prizing), and when it is in a bad format, the casual experience becomes intolerable.
Hard disagree. Yugi was my only game for many years. There used to be a time when a refined understanding of the rules gave you an edge throughout tournaments, but it's quickly turned into niche moments where that's the case. Unstable power creep led the game to a position where cards win more games than players do. Actual gameplay is simply a test of memory. The best line is so obvious that it's almost screaming at you. Since I left and ventured out to new games, I've come across plenty of games more intellectually stimulating. One of them is One Piece, and my god, the prize support is millions of years ahead of Yugi, which is a legacy game. Just brutal.
@@Gagunk. I think calling Yugioh a test of memory kinda shows that you are either being bad faith or displays that you don't know what you are talking about. You can have your opinion or whatever, but stuff like Tear Zero or even post Tear Zero, when AGOV first got released had some of the most complex and interesting gameplay in a tcg that I have ever seen. If you go to a tournmanent having just memorized combos, you weren't going to win. Decks like Tear, Labrynth, and Unchained take the uptmost skill to pilot correcty.
Yes, it depends on the format, but I think good yugioh formats have the most skill based gameplay a tcg has to offer. And I'm not really sure how you could disagree unless you have been misinformed about most games ending turn 1, or the game just being about memorizing combos. I think this is displayed the most when players make mistakes in navigating board states like the incident at the most recent YCS.
As someone who has played One Piece, I think the game is very fun on a casual level and has better prize support tho.
@SeveNStarSeveN I haven't played since 2018. My opinion stems from experience spanning over a decade in the game. Any thoughts on the current meta are from the many complaints from local players that I'm still friends with that bring it up to vent. Needless to say, it has the highest turnover rate among card games for a reason.
You might disagree with my take, but my opinions are the furthest from bad faith or ignorance. Throughout my time playing yugi, there have been decks that have been harder to pilot than others, but generally, the only people that made reference to how hard a particular deck is to pilot to the point of hyperbole like the post above, have been players that aren't very good at the game.
Now, I'm not saying that it's not complicated for the players saying it is. Just that the degree of complexity is going to vary from person to person. One mans complicated is another mans simple. The first thing I noticed after leaving yugi for other games was the quality of players drastically improving. Good players from mtg, fab, db, op, lorcana, pokemon, etc, are way more likely to try and thrive in other card games. Most top yugi players ik have attempted to venture out into other games and very quickly realize they wanted to stay in their lane.
If you're in the competitive scene and attend events, I can actually have you meet with several grinders with loads of ycs and national tops between them who all readily admit yugi is simpler than most games, but it's what they enjoy. I'd argue they enjoy winning more than the actual game, and yea, it's definitely not for the prize support 😆
@@Gagunk. Yugioh is more popular than it has been ever. We literally have record YCS Turnout, and Yeah sorry you are being bad faith. Nobody thinks Lorcana, Digimon, Pokemon, One Piece, etc is more complicated than Yugioh. Only magic is on a similar level. It is literally a meme like the person said in the video, "I'm not smart enough to play yugioh."
I have played Yugioh, Pokemon, Magic for over a decade, and I've also played and tried One Piece, Cardfight Vanguard, Flesh and Blood, Digimon, and Lorcana. You have no idea what you are talking about and are speaking for ignorance and bad faith if you think Yugioh is less complicated than Pokemon. Not even Pokemon fans say this.
They wanted to stay in Yugioh because it's more competitive you loser. "One mans complicated is another mans simple." Nobody has ever said Yugioh is too simple, the number 1 complaint about the game is that it is to complicated. You are just lying about champions saying that Yugioh is too simple. You can look at people like Joshua Schmidt who came back to Yugioh after trying pokemon, because games like Pokemon are just not as fun competitively.
You trust random people at your locals over professionals, wow maybe they suck at the game and that's why they are complaining, just like you. If Yugioh is so simple, then why do Yugioh players who attend other card games end up winning their events by barely knowing their rules. We've literally seen Yugioh players sweeping up Lorcana events barely knowing the game because the game is that simplistic. They then return to Yugioh after because they realize how brain numbing playing some of these games is on a high level other than stuff like Yugioh, which is a complex game.
So get good. Try navigating a full tear board with mannadium or some stuff and then talk to me about simplicity, LOL. Don't even know what you are talking about. You were probably so bad you quit during Gumblar format. Hey if you've played Yugioh for over 10 years can you explain LFPA?
going first in yugioh is broken, not complex
Hard to agree with the idea of lorcana not sticking around when they consistently sell out tournaments at the LGS and regional levels
Been on FAB since day one. Its the best TCG I’ve ever played
I'm jealous that I didn't start sooner!
Digimon has the best system I have played in a long time. I’ve played most of these and just like it the most when it comes to overall gameplay. If you haven’t tried it highly recommend.
So happy to see love for Digimon! I absolutely agree that it's super underrated, and I feel like if bandai released on online version they would find it blowing up since you really just need to try it for a few games before it hooks you.
Also, as someone who played Commander regularly for nearly a decade, I can say that wizards has in fact ruined the format for a lot of people. They turned a format which was largely about creative expression and using cards that didn't fit elsewhere into a semi-rotating format that requires you to always be building with the newest staples
I would lose my shit if they made a digital Digimon card game client. Please Bandai!
We totally feel the same about commander. It's really not what it once was.
Loved magic but now flesh and blood is even more fun. Streamlined deck building system, dont really need all the good cards to be competing, cheap and expensive when it needs to be. Love the game
Agreed! I think the CC precons are a great step for accessibility too. If only they printed more of them...
Flesh and Blood is very pog. It's an amazing game. Skillful, the company genuinely cares and engages with the community, the variance is at a point where skill values the player, but the variance is fun for new players, and the sets coming out are unique. A++ game.
It so hard to fault LSS. We've had some distribution issues here in the UK so I reached out to them and they actually responded to me and helped in redirecting me to a new supply chain they created for the issue. LSS have a lot of heart and care so much for their community.
I didn't think I'd love SW unlimited like I do. The prerelease for the new set was crazy fun.
I'm on the same boat entirely! It's way better than I ever expected it to be 😅
@@GatheringGames if only... Wish Shatterpoint came out 2nd 😂
@@HighCouncilStudios lol! Shatterpoint is a decent system. But yeah, SWU is more my cup of tea.
@@GatheringGames last game I will play was my first or 2nd tournament.
I spent 2 full rounds trying to get a Mando off a core box terrain my b1 couldn't fit on. I never drew the b1 while we were competing each rd.
I scored 1 each turn from round 2-3.
Update: I love this game, Bought 2 boxes, and have my solo deck nearly done. Who wants to buy my Shatterpoint stuff?
The problem with Yu-Gi-Oh is that people complain that it is too complicated, but those People only played the Yugi at the park watching a certain series that explained that era new evocation mechanic.
Now they try to join back and play their old favorite deck but don't think that as everything changes with time, Yugi changes too
I saw the Zexal series and played at school and started playing again during the pandemic era with master duel and now started playing irl with new discovered decks that I can enjoy, since I still like as a person, like the somewhat power creep, I agree that is a complicated game but it all depends if a person want to play the game o wants to remember the old times
If this is the case Yugi still offers old formats that allow everyone to play old cards and still have fun, they still remember that there always was a meta, a stringer deck that was revolutionary for that periox
I always have this kind of conversation with friends that want to get back into the game and make people realise what they have to get ready for and hope they will still give Yugi a chance
Yugioh is a bad game, very slow and broken, play magic the gathering instead
I've been playing Pokemon with my kids for a few years now and I generally didn't enjoy the lack of interaction in the game, but love to play with my young kids. An older player at the shop explained that Pokemon TCG is similar to playing chess. Chess is most people's introduction to strategy games.
You say Lorcana won’t be around for long? Pretty bold statement my friend. I say it’ll stick around and be one of the top tcg.
Good Day Gathering Games!, as a Digimon Card Game creator it fills me with glee that you've played it and actually see it for what it is (a very well rounded game with interesting mechanics) Unfortunately for us BT15 did get a massive pre release nerf because it was the only time it had created a T0 Meta in Digimon, and was next to impossible to play anything other then Apocalymon (70% win rate in Japan) BT15 did end up being one of the most diverse formats we've ever had with well over a dozen decks been good enough for competitive play, BT16 has introduced some interesting cards allowing for more decks to take advantage of the Ukkomon Engine as well as the new Lv6 Ace's causing all sorts of chaos. i'm not sure how long ago this video was recorded but EX06 has also dropped and has had 2 Regionals with it's release and, for the most part besides introducing some new fan favourite cards and archetypes probably won't be doing much in the coming days, that said BT17 will be adding yet another round of support for many decks that are still seeing success both competitively and causally, EX07 with the structure decks looks to be the best jumping in point for new players so hopefully new tamers will be looking to join the game in the new school year
I'm a little confused by the comment that Lorcana doesn't have good gameplay. I've found that while the core gameplay is relatively simple to understand, it is incredibly skill-dependent compared to a lot of other TCGs. There will always be some aspect of luck, but the decision tree is deceivingly complicated at high level gameplay. There are only 4 sets out, and for the last few, the meta has been pretty diverse with multiple Tier 1 decks, and viable decks of each of the 6 colors. Hell, even the little PvE box they released is pretty solid.
I’m more confused that they claimed it won’t be around for long haha 🤷♂️
I've played magic for 14 years and played thousands of games of different formats, been to dozens of stores and played hundreds of players, and spent thousands of dollars, and enjoy the gameplay, the art, the people, and everything about it. I've played Hearthstone off and on for 8 years and enjoyed the simplicity and the wildness and ease to join and hit wild legend and had some good seasons, spent hundreds of hours on it. I've dabbled in some other games like Eternal and of course I know of Pokemon and have friends that know Yugioh.
All this to say, I played FAB a year after it came out and I've barely played it, but it is FAR FAR better designed than any other card game, no question. Just everything about FAB is superior.
Yep, Lorcana is dead... they just sold out a 2000 player tournament in under a minute, and its for sure dead, lol.
Might wanna look into the actual set sales
The actual sealed product market is in collapse for game stores
That has more to do with Ravensburger not having op for how long after reveal?.... Set sales and discounts and dumps aren't a good sign.
Value wise it's dead
😂
Theyre adding pixar in 2026
I'll tell you guys Weiss Schwarz is somewhere between great and outstanding. A little bit about the game and its biggest positives:
-The IP from your favorite animes/series/games are all here.
-You only need your deck to play, nothing else. No markers, trackers, dice, counters.
-You play your entire deck. You'll cycle usually 2-3 times per game, so every card is important and cycling becomes a key part of the game itself.
-Games typically finish VERY close. The turn you go for game, you can ensure your opponent can likely do the same the next turn.
-There's really no streamrolling to be had in the game. How damage and playing cards works limits you from playing your most powerful cards until you've taken enough damage. So when you're "ahead" your opponent has an easier time coming back by simply playing better cards.
Lorcana has been such a fun game to play with my little girls. I love to see the look on their face when they are genuinely excited to play certain heroes and try to combo things together. I hope it stays around because it's such a great intro to TCG's for kids like Pokemon was when I was little. If I'm playing with adults Flesh and Blood can't be beat. Very skills based, fun deck building, and you can basically play any play style you like at the moment and be competitive. Great tier list
I started Magic 22 years ago. I played on-and-off until Arena released, when I stated playing consistently. It certainly had its ups and downs, in spite of that, I think it's the best game ever made. I also think sometimes Hasbro has some questionable decisions.
Digimon ftw!! It is the most amazing tcg ive ever played and it deserves much more love!!
If you think Lorcana wont be around much longer you are completely out of the loop.
I live in a small country, TCG, Boardgames are even more of a niche here but the retailers I know all say people went crazy with Lorcana! They instantly sell everything they order...
I guess most of them are collectors and not gamers but I dont think the publisher cares.
Here in the UK it has been entirely the opposite. It was impossible to get at distribution initially due to demand. Granted, the print run was low which has since increased. At our store we've seen a total drop off of interest, both on a local level and a national (online) level. The stories I'm hearing from other UK retailers is more or less the same.
Is there anyone else able to comment what the situation is across the globe? I'm guessing from the comments that this is quite variable depending on location.
Used to play yugioh a lot but now I am all in for pokemon, I love it so far. After hearing you guys talk about Digimon I definitely interested 👀
It's worth a try! It has some overlap with pokemon with the evolutions, but has some other cool system that I think make it more interesting than pokemon.
Its actually relieving to learn about other ones besides Pokemon - the art is incredible in so many of these, and often for like a third of the price. I did get burned buying a Metazoo 1st Ed box though, before they'd officially cratered.
I've been out on TCGs and Star Wars Unlimited has roped me back in. Loving the game and stoked to see it pop up on lists like this 👌
To see Vampire in any current card lists is amazing. Quite a few magic players that played commander saw at my local shop saw many similarities and dove deep. The game is complex at first but when you have a table and the interactions that go on are great. Maybe at some point it could of been a board game but either way it is a fun game because you can't just tool your deck to fight one sort of way since its random seating arrangement.
The political aspect of it also sets it apart. Making deals and alliances are common place when you have 3 or more players.
@@xrufus7x468 for sure we usually play with all 5 sometimes if we have to split to multiple groups some may be smaller.
to say lorcana is not going to be around much longer is laughable. the game is growing, the competitive scene is taking off nicely, id agree lorcana is no mtg of complexity, but its depth is very deep and the deckbuilding with uninkables is great and has a very engaging process. obviously, I'm a little biased, but it's hard to watch people not give credit where credit is due. the game is definitely more complex than any of the anime card games. Star Wars literally ripped off the resource system and half of lorcanas game mechanics but just made them worse.
The benefit we have is the sales data, which suggests a reasonably dire picture for Lorcana. This is why we think it might not survive for so much longer, but I'd be happily proven wrong on this. There is always room for more TCGs!
Netrunner player here, Nisei rebranded as NSG. Most Regionals are selling out, we're doing alright :)
Really heartwarming to hear that there's still so much love for the game. Long live netrunner!
Man i dropped all of them but flesh and blood reignite that flame for tcg!! Buyed 1 box of Mistveil for 100 euros, found cards for more than 200 euro values and reselles!
I just buy yesterday Flesh and blood history pack 1 from you guys now that i'm in vacation here in the Uk. I'm from Spain. And i don't know why but some stores in the Uk didn't had flesh and blood.I start learning 1 week ago. I fall in love with Flesh and blood.
Thanks so for the support! We really love FaB so we make an effort to keep it in stock. I hope you have fun cracking open HP1 when you finally get around to it :D
Pokémon player here, I think you guys would love the GLC (Gym Leader Challenge) format. It’s much more limited but also more expansive at the same time than the normal formats. I recently got into it and it’s a nice refreshing set of pace in comparison to the typical standard format.
I loved this video. Both of your enthusiasm was so obvious. I do stand by Pokemon as being top tier, mostly for the very reasons you listed (diversity of appeal, high-level play, community, collecting). It's also the case that top meta decks never break $100. As a MTG player, I know Pokemon doesn't have the formats or depth of deck building and play, but it is just as rich of a history, and I love reaching back in my collection and playing different decks from different periods.
Universus is my favorite card game right now. The skill expression in that game is just unlike anything I’ve experienced in any other tcg and the system is so incredibly deep. I’m a little anxious about the changes coming in attack on titan but am optimistic to see where the game goes. Solid video and I hope you guys enjoy getting back into it!
I’ve played most of the card games on this list. I have to say Cardfight Vanguard is personally my favorite TCG. I’ve been into it since it came out lol.
I will happily play Digimon with you guys! We have a community, it just doesn't feel like there are that many content creators for it. Loved the video, great job guys 😁
I’ve been playing Weiss for 10 years. I’ve played Pokemon for 20 years, CFV for 5 years and significant time in Duel Masters, Inuyasha, Initial D, Digimon 2020 and a few others. Weiss is wholly unique in gameplay, easily has the highest amount of deck variety of any TCG in history.
I lovvvvvee Weiss.
Soo many positive comments on weiss! Sahd and I will be testing it out. WS fans tell me where a good place to start with it is!
You should all check Altered guys! This is a new TCG, started thanks to kickstarter, they got 6 millions, so much hype from players! The game is so unique and the card are really beautiful, go check this out, it may interest you :)
Interesting video. I definitely lean into ranking games based purely on mechanics, and Lorcana does not rank high due to very derivative and unexciting mechanics. But they are accessible and simple, so when tied to a very popular theme, has led to a very successful game. I truthfully do not know how long it will last due to it having a bigger community than one would expect (although my local community has dropped to one store, although they do get good turn out).
Out of the newer TCGs, I am absolutely in love with Star Wars Unlimited, and I truly think it has the best limited format in any card game I've ever played. While I only like drafting in Magic, the game is still prone to the problems it always has in constructed. SWU does something very unique that makes drafting it the best format to play. My only complaint is I wish more leaders were draft-friendly because many leaders are still very niche and almost impossible to make work in draft.
Yu-Gi-Oh player here, phenomenal game. Completely mismanaged and ruined by greed, they don't want multiple formats because how are you supposed to buy the top five best decks if you can play other formats casually? That's the conclusion corporations ruin good things.
Lorcana is bringing back hall of fame magic players to competitive gameplay. And is putting on several 2000 player tournament’s that sell out almost instantly. Also local game stores are selling out for set championship after every set.
Yep that are dead wrong on their thought on it.
Nah bru, loracan is dead, not a single sould plays in south Texas lol
Hopefully Standard will make a comeback. Man i miss old Nationals - it gave all the smaller countries something to look forward to every year, and a reason to draft and practice constructed
In my country, Pauper is probably the most popular format among the 60 formats.
It doesn't sound like you actually played lorcana. It is the best designed game to come out in the past 10 years. Y'all are crazy.
To just throw something nearly unknown in the ring, Final Fantasy TCG is often discounted, but is hanging on despite having nearly 0 advertising budget.
Its gameplay is good but suffers from advertising flaws. Keep your eyes peeled just in case square enix decides to advertise and finally build a digital client. (And maybe try to find a locals! Buy in is cheap and even before that, most communities want players so bad, they often have extra decks on them to borrow just to introduce the game)
Shadowverse, Grand Archive and Altered would like a word. Granted Altered has barley come out but I think it's going to do amazing and bought into the kickstarter for sure.
I played Weiss Schwarz back in 2013-2016 then my locals died. It’s a fun game. I really enjoyed it and if I had more people to play with locally I’d still be playing it. I’d say grab a few starter decks and give it a go. It may be niche and not for you long term but I’m sure you’ll have a fun time playing it.
Personally I think the Digimon placement is a really good call, and I can totally vibe with your S tier those are incredibly good picks tbh.
Also a neat mashup of old and new games on the tier list (you gotta check Altered out soon tho and also I think people asking for Grand Archive inclusion aren't too wrong about their game being good)
Everthing I've read about Altered has me so excited about it. Grand Archive is now on my radar too 😊
So I left Yugioh this month and been checking out other tcgs
I think Lorcana will be around for a while because it’s got the Mouse backing it. It’s a good game in of itself but it’s still very new so we can’t accurately make predictions until the dust has settled. It can be an expensive game however. The fact that it’s Disney suggests they’re may be a lot of support for casual play.
Pokémon was my first choice for moving because meta is healthy, game is super cheap (can build a strong meta deck for less than £100) to get into and very accessible, even a well-built “fun deck” can win against a meta deck, it probably won’t win a tournament though. Downside is rotation same as MTG, but the expanded format is fairly diverse too and TPC do a good job with the ban list.
Flesh and Blood..is hands down the most unique TCG I’ve ever seen. Some cards are expensive (even after reprints) but ultimately it’s a skill based game so the better player will the be one that’ll win, not the one who paid the most. The power boost given by most of the expensive cards is small and you don’t even need them unless you plan to play hyper competitively, and they’ll be around for a good long time with no ban or rotation.
So my 2 choices are either Pokémon or Flesh and Blood.
You guys should play Decipher's Star Wars CCG. It is by far the best and most thematic game, mechanics wise. It is being "kept alive" via a player's committee, creating new cards and errata.
My only issue with the game was the end of it, when they were losing the license. While they had some interesting cards and ideas, the power creep of the late sets were an issue. If they hadn't been losing the game, I don't think that would have been an issue at all.
But it still hasn't been topped for me for a one on one game. The mechanics are great, and the fact you use your entire deck for the whole game is a big part of it.
Hadn't played tcgs for over 10 years and fab brought me back. Glad to see it up there.
It's reinvigorated my love of the space. FaB really is fab.
4:30 it is worth mentioning though, that collecting something and investing into something are two different things. Imo the only thing that you should theoretically be able to invest into, are alternative art/limited number/signed card version of regular cards, nothing else.
Sad to see that Battle Spirit Saga isnt in the list.
Once you dive a bit into it its easy to see that it is the best of the Bandai games. I have played db,op,yugioh,vanguard,mtg for reference
I feel you as someone who thought grand archive was a great design for a game.
Vanguard was placed lower than like 3 other games that directly copied from it. You said Vanguard copied the Bandai TCG but if you look back its the other way around...
I think Lorcana should be higher. As a former mtg player, it is the perfect game for a 30 something to get into as a casual hobby. Great art, but most important, it actually has appeal for women and I can play with my wife (makes all the difference). Also, the DLCs are selling out in literal minutes, so I think the competitive game is healthy for now.
Yugioh player here who has tried and failed to get my girlfriend to play many times. I told her about Lorcana recently and she actually seems very interested, unlike with yugioh, so I VERY much agree with this.
I just can't get past the Disney aspect.
@tylerantony7399 Helps if you like Disney for sure. Also helps when you realise that unlike other licensed games that just use screenshots from the films for the artwork, they actually have unique and REALLY COOL art for the cards.
@@heftylad If you don't like Disney, then ya. But it is awesome to have a game to play that my wife is excited about and that other women actually play.
Why would it be higher? Tons of women play digimon/Pokemon/one piece/star wars. Why is that an increase in rating? Also it's competitive meta is an absolute joke.
Yugioh player here. been playing for 10 plus years. I agree with what you said. I think the game is amazing, the complexity does make the game and interactions very deep. yes at the moment, Yugioh is in a slump. I think with slightly more balanced card design (stop with 1 card full combo starter cards) and better prize support the game would be the best tcg !! the game feels ever so close to being a perfect tcg to me. hopefully konami moves in the right direction !
I really think they should make 1 card combos a choke point instead of something like Snake Eyes or Fiendsmith where it is so flexable and can play through most things.
Lorcana is the only game on this list to have 6 tournaments this year with over 2000 contestants, and they put it in “Aite” tier. Video is 3 weeks old too. Can’t make this stuff up 😂
The ultimate predictor of a TCG surviving will always come down to sales, which we can comment on as an LGS.
Lorcana has lost a huge amount of momentum since chapter one, hence why we think it won't survive. The open market price in the UK of shimmering skies is at the point where we are basically not going to make any money from selling it. Hence, we believe Lorcana is not in a great place currently.
@@GatheringGames Lorcana is overprinted to meet the expected demand in the future once Disney makes an advertising effort. I agree that putting the cart before the Horse is bad for the financial value of the game, but it does not speak to the product's longevity. The scalper's paradise that was Chapter 1 will not be repeated. In the states the game is going strong player-wise, but I do agree it's over-printed. You put my favorite TCG, FAB, in the S tier. I honestly hope you're right, cause I considered selling my cards cause there's nowhere to play in my major metroplex area. That won't happen with Lorcana. But the only games below Lorcana are Schwartz and Metazoo. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this makes no sense.
forgetting to add Flesh & Blood, then putting it in S tier describes so well in itself the place that the game is in
Wow your analysis of yugioh was perfect.
honestly i dont see any tcg beating mtg. it's the father of tcgs, and its the most versatile tcg, you can pretty much play ANY TYPE OF DECK, with pretty much any type of creature, the lore is incredibly rich, the arts are absolutely stunning, nice variety of formats and play style, it's almost perfect. it does have its problems, like being too expensive, but overall the concept of the colors, the philosophy, lore, flavour, etc. its just so deep, interesting and amazing in a way ive never seen in any other game
As a Weiss Schwarz player, the game looks overly complicated but its actually fun especially when you can pit your favorite anime characters against others. Pls do give it a try. Hahaha
1) Yes, FaB! I've been loving that and Star Wars Unlimited.
2) i wholeheartedly agree with your points about Yu-Gi-Oh. Once i started playing more casually and not being as sweaty, the game became so much more enjoyable for me again.
No Duel Masters is a true shame as it's what inspired basically every Japanese TCG.
Netrunner in S-Tier is all I needed to see 🙏
I love Digimon tcg it made me got back to play and collect, the alternatives are insane
It's crazy that my local TCG scene is growing popularity on Vampire: The Eternal Struggle. I'm playing it for like 2 months, but i'm totally hooked on it. I still play Magic every week, but i've put a day on my weekly schedule Just for VTES. We play on tables of 4 or 5 players. It's basicly MTG's Commander, but highly thematic on the world of Darkness, the scenery of the RPG Vampire: The Masquerade. Trivia: The guy who created MTG's Commander played VTES and adapted some of the rules. Definetly deserves a try
Where is your LGS?? Can I come??
@@GatheringGames In Brazil, Espirito Santo State, neighbor of Rio de Janeiro State. Sure, you are welcome! Come to Brazil 🤣🤣🤣
So one piece decks are 50-70 lbs and affordable which is good.
Lorcana is over printed and cheap for people to buy which is bad?
Whats the difference?
As a dude whose also played a ridiculous amount of tcgs, digimon is my favorite of all time... love this game so much...
I would like to suggest grand archive as a tcg for yall to play. In my opinion it is one of the best TCGs rn and its devs are amazing and actually play the game they made. The community is also amazing with tons of people there to help new players gat into the game.would be cool if yall could review it and yall may like it!
Weiss Schwarz player here.
I'd say that the collector's game seem to be the heaviest pull right now simply because of the IPs, but a meta does exist for the game. There isn't much users tho, and they're quite limited, but, the fanbase is very dedicated. For example, WS has their own YGOPro equivalent that's fairly maintained.
As for the meta, there are problems with it, but with the recent banlist finally tackling the biggest problems of the last one - - Chainsaw Man and Avatar, it'll be a wait-and-see if it changes things or will the lack of hits on Overlord and Tensura be its defining moment for the incoming Nationals this next half of the year.
As for the gameplay itself? I can't quite describe it. What's unique about it is that all of its systems contribute to a very consistent experience. Everyone starts at Level 0, leveling up and unlocking better characters as you go along, but you lose at Level 4, so it has a tug-of-war aspect similar to Digimon (but less refined since it is a really old TCG -- WS is what put Bushiroad on the map in Japan) There's also the concept of climaxes which is unique in that it's an attempt to replicate the aspect of high points in an IP. For some it doesn't work-ish: Hololive has a very weak climax relationship aspect. Some work reaaaally well. For example, there's a Colossal Titan combo for AOT that brings out a really really huge titan with alot of power and centered upon the climax from AOT EP1. Sure, UA and others have gone and adapted AOT to their TCG with success, but that climax aspect of WS is unmatched.
Tldr: I'd watch a WS video.
I am severely disappointed they didn't even mention my personal favorite:
Duel Masters!
Magic would be #1 but ever since the Commander Master Race took over you can't even get games in paper anymore unless you bend the knee to Sheldon Menery and his ilk.
Weiss Schwarz is my first TCG then tried MTG also. Its a fun game especially if you follow Anime. Its a bit more leaning towards rng than MTG but that can also be a good thing. More exciting swingy battles and newbies have a better chance at scrapping a win vs old players.
I play weiss schwarz, one piece, and magic. But there is a strong competitive scene in the socal scene. I think it's pretty fair bc you can stick to one set and you can play against almost any deck. It's the only game where you have to worry about your whole deck state bc will go through your deck two to three times a game. So that's where the skill in deck building is and knowing what's left in the deck. Also how damage is applied, even If you are behind, there is always a chance to win which can be salt inducing. But at least you can play from behind and still give a fighting chance which isn't the case in most tcg where if you are getting stomped, you feel there is no other option but to scoop
Android: Netrunner is not a TCG. It was a Living Card Game. That being said, it is one of the greatest card games ever made.
Shout out to all 3 Vanguard fans out there, our game is aite!
I kind of agree with standard being somewhat irrelevant right now with magic, but as someone who still plays it online pretty consistently it is a super fun format to brew in. Secondary market still sucks hardcore ass though.
Best way to play mtg rn is pauper
Lorcana is having huge OP tournaments
Massive turnouts and sell outs. I don't think this fame is going anywhere
I love Lorcana, won two Stitches from set championships. Easy to learn, difficult to master. I disagree that the game is going away; I think it's here to stay and could be #4. That said, they're right that it is a simple game and hasn't experimented too much with unique mechanics. It is in a lot of ways a reboot of Magic and no interaction on the opponent's turn (which is debatable if that's a positive or negative). For the TCG enthusiast, I can understand it being in the "aite" tier.
I just won an Usurla’s tournament and I can say the game is a better MTG that is just starting, art and prices are really good. We need to wait for new game mechanics.
As far as a game goes, it’s not past b tier.
Flesh and blood is the best tcg ever
I like to think lorcana is great for beginers in the tcg world
the thing i love about mtg is that it doesn't have a board limit.
Gameplay and skillwise Yu-Gi-Oh is by far the best. But sadly it's not that new player friendly and quite expensive depending on your choice
oh y'all answered your own question about why Magic and Yugioh players constantly complain about their game "it COULD be freakin' awesome" Knowing that there are these genuinely amazing pieces to both games and that their potential is absolutely limitless only for it to get thrown in the trash so these companies can squeeze the absolute most money they can.
Concerning magic I'm off the opposite opinion, I hate limited, especially non- sealed. I don't like standard because I don't like my cards disappearing from rotation and I don't want to be forced to buy new sets to continue to play. I only play commander, and only precons (aside from one made by a friend as a gift)
Play pauper
Trust me
Youll experience mtg at its absolute best
Love Digimon! I play with my friends every now and then, but think it could really benefit from an official online game, like mtg and yu-gi-oh have.
7:03 - If you think BT15 didn't have an impact on the meta, you haven't been paying attention
Started TCGs with MTG when was about 11 years old. Fast fast forward 22 years, and FaB is by far the best TCG to have ever come out in my opinion.
I played mtg since 1994 with a collection worth over 270k.
Flesh and blood is the best tcg ever.
After giving away my Yu Gi Oh collection when i was around 17 to a 9 yr old who was just getting into Yu Gi Oh, all my old early 200s cards, i hope wherever that kid is now, i hope he's doing okay. i am happy to say i am rebuilding my YGO collection and i am also collecting MTG!
A big issue I have with a lot of non-mtg games is the lack of formats. Like, the best format in magic the gathering is arguably limited (depending on the set) but there's SO many different ways to play the game with some having entirely different rules (standard, draft, sealed, modern, legacy, commander, pauper, cube, etc) which gives you as a player so many ways to play the game. I find that with other tcgs generally they have 'the way' to play the game with 'the rules', and then it's dependent on the cards to make the game interesting. And like, if you love the basic format of the game then that's great, but I like to be able to play with my cards in different ways and have a large community of people that are also interested in those modes of play.
Hates rule 0 yet complains everyone is hyper competitive
Awesome breakdown of the TCG! Thanks for remembering Vampire. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts [and advise] about how consumers can play or get invlved with more than 1 TCG. Sometimes it hard to appreciate more than one TCG. Could be useful video. Keep it up!
This is a great video idea! I will brainstorm this with the team and see if we can make it happen 😁
I dislike commander and rule 0 as well. After years of playing competitive modern, I now only play booster draft, cube draft, and I currenrly have 18 constructed 60 card decks balanced around each other, built by my self, and I keep building more. And just being outside of the hype cycle has made magic so much more enjoyable.
This has made magic genuienly the best boardgame-like experience I have. Cube and "Kitchen Table" is where it is at imo. Interacrions are complex, and the cardpool for me makes it fun to build decks if I want to add a new archetype. And for that it is my GOAT.
In a side note Bloomburrow is the first time in 5 years ive been looking forward to a mtg release.
Youre missing our on how goated pauper is
@@V2ULTRAKill I've played Pauper a lot. I find a lot of the matches quite grindy. As a format I think it's great. This is how much MTG should cost, however I think MTG has better gameplay to offer overall.
What are your 18 "gauntlet" archetypes? I've been considering building a set of constructed decks like this too.
@@midnightmoviedreams
Sigh... I had this huge text written out and then CZcams refreshes the page.
To answer you first question, This battlebox started its creation after the Jace unbanning, but before MH2 released, so I restrict myself to the modern cardpool then.
The decks:
Aggro: Boros Burn & Izzet Tempo
Control: Azorius (very long game), Stone Blade, Mill
Tribal: Humans, Elementals, Spirits
Combo: Amulet Tital, Heliod Company, Dredge, Cascade Rhinos & Cascade Living Dead
Midrange: Jund Midrange, Green Tron, Eldrazi Tron
idk: Hammertime & Living End
The reason I did this like at the time was because I was familiar with the then modern meta-game, If I would do it again (and I have) I would do it differently.
recently, as the sister of my gf married, we decided to gift them an mtg battlebox with a lower skill floor, but high skill ceiling decks. We figured this would work well, and they like boardgames.
I ended up going it a kitchen table or "no banned list" format. The reason why I would recommend this, if because it gives you more freedom in what you want to create.
I started off with an Elfball (legacy Elves) shell, which turned out of be very powerful, and wanted to make it work against say something like burn. I started to remove some of the gas, and have specific answers in the sideboards of the other decks.
I edned up really liking this approach, because it allowed me to put decks in there that I really like, even though they might be different powerlevels. I took away the Glimps of Nature of ELves, and gave Preordain to the Izzet list, and now two decks I both like to play are somewhat on similar footing.
Also: don't add fetch land or any sort of tutor. Shuffling isn't fun of you're not super sweaty over optimizing everything - turns out.
I ended up play-testing these decks with cockatrice. I would highly recommend that.
I also recommend mpcautofill (now mpcfill). If you're not aware of it check it out.
I'll leave you with the deck lists of the smaller box, though not everything is up to date. I've since heavily modified the white deck:
archidekt.com/folders/646775