Aimaculate Folding Stock Adaptor. Is it great? Or is it garbage?
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Hey everyone, Raf here. I appreciate all the comments that everyone has shared. I wanted to make a comment to pin to the top of this thread as I am hearing some repeating responses from other owners and I want to make sure it is highlighted. At the time of this comment I have not made it to the range yet to test. But others have mentioned that using this adapter at the range has caused the rattle or play that I mentioned to get worse. Also when I purchased this on sale (Black Friday I think) it was much cheaper than the brand it was knocking off. Now there is less than a $20 difference. Based off the feedback I hear, I would say you are probably better off buying the real deal. Another big thing I want to call out is the complete lack of customer service support with the company. I have reached out numerous times with no response, and I am hearing the same from others. So I must mark this product as Buyer Beware! Again thank you all for your comments and I am glad this community can help each other out. For me that is exactly why I wanted to start this channel.
These are trash. Bought 2 around black Friday both failed miserably after about ten rounds. No customer service what so ever I thought about calling my credit card company and disputing the charges. I wouldn't pay 10 dollars for this garbage.
@@dillonsmudrick1737 Sorry that you got two that failed to work. Although I have not had any malfunctions I can definitely echo the complete lack of customer service. I would definitely try to go the route of involving the credit card company. Sometimes that gets a company to respond
@@user-ok4os6vo2m LOL Glad to see I am not the only one!
I had the same issue when I installed mine. There was a little wiggle but after taking it to the range and only shooting three rounds, I had multiple malfunctions. After that the hinge just got worse. I didn’t fold it after that and when I got home I could barely open it, after that I could no longer close it. I trashed it after that. It’s junk, I guess I gotta cough it up for the LawTactical.
@johnibarra8877 I purchased the Sylvan arms folder and it has worked great for me. About half the price of the law tactical.
I recently installed my folding stock adapter, and it was successful. I also figured out how to get rid of the wiggle in the hinged bolt. I brought a box of Nitrile Assorted O rings by Store House at Harbor Freight and used two 7/32" x 11/32" x 1/16" O rings(A009). Remove the henge bolt completely; place one O ring on the henge bolt; reinsert the henge bolt and place another O ring at the top. Then place henge bolt screw back on the top and retighten the henge bolt. This should eliminate the play/wiggle in the henge bolt.
Great info, thanks for sharing. Also thanks for watching!
Thanks for that info brother I just bought two for 230 on their website and I'll be installing the orings before I even begin installing them
Much appreciated it brother I just ordered this folding adapter... Thought I was SOL..😂..Thanks
Wait...wiggle..?
Out of the box?
Took the rifle to the range yesterday. I did not notice any issues with functionality. I fired about 200 rounds through it with no issues. I did not notice any play in addition to the initial play I mentioned. Thanks again for watching and commenting!
I just reached out to Sylvan Arms and asked if they would let me do a head to head review. If they agree then I will put a video about about the two
Thank you very much for this install video. Very informative and well instructed. I had no issues putting this together. Happy New Year!
Happy New Year! I am glad the video helped. Enjoy!
Thanks! Did a few pauses to catch up with you, but got'er done!! Great video!
Awesome! Thank you!
Thanks for the video, mine finally made it to me and after I install it I'll give it a go on the farm.
Enjoy!
Yes you are absolutely right there is a play after you install it
I’ve reached out to the company for a response. I’ll let you know if I hear anything. I expect some play because of it was too rigid I would expect that the hinge would crack after time.
Great install video! Thanks.
I have yet to try mine out at the range yet. Just arrived today and your install guide was very helpful, as the install instructions were not, lol.
Couldn’t agree more. It would of been more helpful if they didn’t send any lol
Thanks for the video is was really helpful. I did run into a hurdle, for the pin and spring for the buffer spring the housing had an opening at the bottom where it fall out. I figured it out .
I had a screw in my parts kit that fit perfectly all the way and I then placed a pin and spring that was included for the buffer tube assembly.
Glad you found everything. Thanks for watching!
Great review. I just got mine today, so definitely looking forward to installing tomorrow and hopefully het it to the range also. Update soon.
Hope it works out well for you!
Thanks for this. The only difference I had was when installing the buffer tube spring and pin the adapter did not have the screw in to keep it from coming out of the bottom. I was with the hardware, so it was easy to install.
My pleasure. I am glad you were able to complete the install!
I have the same problem but have no parts for it. I noticed the hole is threaded so assumed something goes there but mine is empty so spring falls right through out the bottom.
@@shaneashton4458 Sorry to hear that. I will try to pull mine out and swing by the hardware store to get the size. then you can go grab one. I'd say contact the company but they don't answer for anything.
Thank you for this video!
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
The reason your buffer tube was so hard to take off was because the castle nut was staked. If you would have looked at the top notch on the castle nut , there would have been a silver weld to keep castle nut from moving. An easier way to remove a staked castle nut is to use a punch to punch back on that weld before you use armorers wrench.
Please make an update video after shooting the rifle. Info on this adapter has been hard to find. Thanks!
Makes sense hopefully someone else learns this before they go through the trouble. I’m waiting on a sight to come in this week and then will hit the range the week after. I’ll shoot an update then.
As the reply below said, use a punch to take care of the staking. The Magpul armorers wrench would have made things easier as well. That tiny wrench you were using doesn't help multiply the torque at all. The other item to add to your tools would be the Magpul armorers block. It fits in the magwell. Another tip, use the wrench to tighten or loosen items by pushing down on the wrench. It uses the whole surface of the wrench instead of one little lug.
Yes that sorry wrench was horrible. It was very thin and difficult to keep full surface tension on it. Thanks for the info!
As a rule I never stake my nuts.
Appreciate the video.
My sylvan arms has no wiggle no gaps is solid as a rock !!!
I think they are like the industry standard since I started with this one. Only pro is price. About $50 cheaper with Aimaculate. But the question remains did I get a bum one that has play or do they all have it.
@@RafsReviewsit’s only 17 dollars cheaper than the gen 4 sylvan arms, and that’s only if it’s on sale. They’re going for 150 at the moment and they claim it’s 307 at regular price. That’s more than the law folder that it copies. I definitely don’t think it’s worth the money. You get better products from law and sylvan
Agreed, when I picked mine up I paid $125 shipped but looking at the price now it has gone up. And totally agree if the quality is even a little better than the small price difference is absolutely worth it.
@@Usmc0341I'm getting an ad on FB to by 4 for $200 free shipping. At $50ea I can't see any reason not to by 4.
@@RafsReviews well the $50 cheaper has now made the sylvan one I will be buying $100 more... should have just Paid more and got a tool and not a toy.... Thank you for you video however, it was super useful!!
The fact that you had to put a disclaimer regarding that you’re going to show a firearm is not great 😮
I fully understand, however this was the first time that I was showing one on my channel and I wanted to make sure that people understood so there wouldn't be any surprises if you know what I mean lol. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video. After watching this and a few others I have decided not to install mine. Got it on sale and was super excited but I should have done more research . I could try and sell it but don’t want to pass this to someone else. So it will sit in a drawer with other unused parts.
Thanks for watching. I will probably be removing mine also. Nothing has happened yet but worried that something will happen when I need it
My brother-in-law gave me one of these and asked me to fix the wobble In the hinge. Ended up ordering an actual 1/4" x 1" x 10-32 shoulder bolt (the hinge bolt it comes with is part of the problem) then bored the hinge holes to 1/4". Then I replaced the plastic spacers with brass and made a few tweaks to the nut so it could be tightened. No more slop in the hinge and the repair was less than $10. Do not use the buffer retainer they provide but use a mil-spec retainer instead
Agreed. I took one look at the retainer and thought ummmm no
Maybe install a super thin nylon or brass washer to help tighten it up? I have two LT folders and my son just installed this one. For the money I don’t think you can go wrong. Thanks for the video.😊
Thanks for the input, and thanks for watching!
Very well done
Thank you for watching!
Great video brother
Thank you sir, glad you enjoyed it!
Yeah I’ll stick to my LAW tactical. When it comes to a rifle I will stake my life on/or really anything that could potentially affect the functionality of a tool that I have invested thousands into, I will only use something that has been approved by the DOD. The law perfected this years ago and there is no reason to switch. Especially when it’s the friggin buffer system.
On another note I adore my law folder. It makes my ar fit perfectly in my bag and it’s amazing! Only thing I dislike was the amount of T&E I had to put into tuning the buffer for my LMT EBCG and bolt because the law added a lot of weight to my vltor A5 system and the LMT BCG requires an H2 buffer setup.
Definitely love the ability to stow it in a bug out bag. I am going to continue pumping rounds through it and the minute I notice any change out it goes lol.
Great video. Really helpful. I am having a problem with the spring retention pin shearing off. It has happened 2 times? Any suggestions?
Other viewers with that problem said a shorter retaining pin solved the problem
I have the Aimaculate Folding Stock Adapter, but found a better solution.
Check out the Stern Defense RAB-AD, Rapid Attach Buttstock Adapter. The pricing is competitive with the Aimaculate, and is a better design.
Both the Aimaculate and the RAB-AD are more economical than the Law Folding Adapter.
The Aimaculate Hinge became loose. The instructions state the tightness is adjustable, but nothing would eliminate the looseness.
The other issue is that the Latch would not work correctly. That contributed to the looseness and slight rattle.
If you purchase the Aimaculate you might want to consider a Crowsfoot Wrench and a Breaker Bar to torque the Castle Nut. Also, use Locktite on the Cupped Set Screw that retains the Buffer Detent and Spring.
Great video. Really helpful. My
Glad it was helpful!
Do you have problems with the running your knuckles into the hinges when cocking? Do you think that a butt plate adapter can still be installed with it for another sling mount?
I don't have a problem with knuckles hitting the hinges. I did see something where someone who had an ambidextrousness butt plate sling adapter that he couldn't use because one of the attachment points on the sling was on the hinge side. I think the LAW folding butt stock adapter gives you the option of what side you want the hinge on though so you may want to look into that also.
I was watching to see some kind of actual torcher test to see if the adapter will hold up under use or heavy use. Can that be done?
I wouldn’t bank on it. It’s pretty lightweight. Unless someone wants to donate a rifle lol I would call it a thing of convenience versus “battle tough”
I was on the fence about these. There’s usually fake ads and this seems to be one of them.
I wouldn’t say it’s a fake ad but I definitely would say it’s not worth it when the knock offs are not much cheaper than the originals.
Great job on the video . Don’t think I could have got it done without your help.
Thanks for watching, I’m glad you got some use out of it.
I just ordered one for pof
Hope you enjoy. Lots of notes here in the comments that may help
What are the extra parts for? The one I installed was a total failure when shooting the weapon.
I don’t know for sure and the company has yet to answer any of my questions (Red Flag) they look like they may be for a replacements for buffer spring retaining pin but I don’t know for sure.
How do you keep the spring and pin inside the adapter without falling out there’s no bottom? I’m having such difficulty keeping it in
There should be a screw that goes into the bottom of it. Check the box. Should be an Allen key on one side and threaded all the way.
What does #aimaculate have to say about that wiggle you made mention of at 18:50 ?
No comment from them yet. I’ll update if I hear anything.
They will more than likely not respond to any emails
Sylvan gen 4 is the way to go- if you don’t want to pay for a law folder.
I’ll try to check that one out. Thanks
Hey, I had my folding adapter for awhile now and it does have a wiggle in the hinge area. The fix is place a .032 washer on the head side of the hinge bolt, because the bolt is machined to not tighten any more than intended due to the shoulder on the nut side. So the washer will definitely help tighten the hinge down eliminating any travel or side play producing from the loose hinge assembly. This should be an easy fix. I’ve done it on my adapter already it only made it a little stiff opening the fold eventually it’ll loosen up a bit. Hope this helps. God Bless.
Great! Thanks for the tip, and thanks for watching!
Take that crap of your gun
There's nothing to keep the retaining pin in place when the bolt carrier assembly slides back into the buffer tube, how does it not break on the first shot?
This is the normal cycling of an AR. On the adapter there is a screw that can adjust how far up the retaining pin sits so you can make sure it is not too high.
Your buffer tube should be what holds the retaining pin in place at that time. If it doesn't then screw your buffer tube in until it does.
I ordered a similar folding adapter from Aliexpress for $30 including shipping. It has the same wiggle that the Aimaculate seems to have. Mine is made of aluminum.
It didn’t seem to affect the function of the weapon or the sight picture at the range. Maybe more over time. I will update if I notice anything.
It seems more like people are nit picking a bit and I understand they buy the item it isn't free but that little wiggle doesn't affect the function of the range toy
Really
sylvan arms and these are made out of aluminum lol
law tactical = made from steel
I just took the Aliexpress folding adapter out to the range and it failed. The wiggle at the hinge held up and didn't seem to be a problem. The wiggling eventually worked the release latch loose; opening mechanism, breaking the buffer spring retaining pin and shooting the spring out of the buffer tube and into the dirt. It opened up several times after that. I just ordered a Law Tactical steel folding adapter. I like the look of the flush design better than the Sylvan Arms aluminum one. I'm curious if the Aimaculate adapter fails in the same way.
Well, it looks like there’s a Lotta little parts unless you’re a gunsmith you’re probably gonna lose some or or put them in where they don’t go
So the majority of the little parts are for replacing the buffer retaining pin if the one your weapon comes with will not fit in the adapter and you need to replace it.
I don’t think it’s worth it. We really don’t know what kind of quality the metal is, without it being on sale, it’s more expensive than the law tactical, and you can get a sylvan arms gen 4 for about the same price. This is a knockoff of the law folder
Agreed
Anybody have issues with the buffer spring retaining pin breaking after a few shots?
I saw a video that someone had that issue and they had to use a pin that was shorter because their bolt carrier group was making contact.
Use a mil-spec retainer pin and spring.
My charging handle isn’t moving all the way back. I think it’s being blocked by the hinge release button. Any thoughts on how to fix this?
First time I am seeing someone with this problem. I’ll have to do some research to see if anyone else has had this issue. Lord knows the company doesn’t answer anything.
Did you find a fix for this? I just installed mine and the release button inside is blocking my the BCG from charging back all the way.
Just watched a video from a guy showing this particular piece of gear is aluminum and not steel as advertised. The part that butts up to the bolt carrier group is also aluminum, which seems a bit dangerous to me.
Agreed, failed the magnet test for me
Thank you for watching. Yeah, I’ve been contemplating if I am going to keep it on there. I’ve put about 1,000 rounds through it but I’d hate for it to fail when I need it most.
Is the stock not supposed to lock when it's folded
Should just be like a detent to hold it in place so it doesn't flop around but not lock it in place. I believe they are all built that way so you can deploy the weapon quickly if needed.
👍IN future videos please PLEASE use the word FIREARMS instead of weapon.
It’s a firearm until that particular firearm is used in a crime to hurt someone , then it would be called a weapon.
Great video on the installation 👍👍
Thanks for watching. Fully understand your concern, after decades in the military some habits are hard to break.
I got mine today. Tried putting it on my handle has a curve up between the thumb and index finger that stops me from using this . 🤬 I will have to change handle maybe
I saw someone else who had to shave off part of their pistol grip for it to fit also
I took hand grip off .. installed it then put some heat on handle then tightened it why it was pliable and it worked great . Happy now . Lol
@@cecilpayton7952 Perfect! I am sure others will find this helpful. Thanks for sharing!
Is this atf legal, will it work with AR pistol & is that legal
Let me begin by saying I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV so please do your own research if you are concerned but this is the way I interpret the law. In the case of my AR 15 it has a buffer spring and is still required to be shoulder fired and can not be or I should say, should not be fired in the folded position meaning the stock with buffer assembly is still a required or essential part of the weapons function. Because of this there is nothing else to consider. Now if you have an AR 15 pistol or stabilizer it gets a little more complicated. For an AR 15 pistol, the length must be 26” or greater. This is measured from the fold point to the end of the barrel. If your flash suppressor is fixed (pin and welded) the measurement goes to the end of the flash suppressor. If it is not pin and welded then it goes to where the barrel end and the flash suppressor begins. I also read in some places that if you have a forward grip then there are other things you have to consider and may require you to register your weapon as a short rifle. But again I can not stress this enough. This is my interpretation of the ATF laws and please read into it yourself versus just listening to me or anyone else on CZcams unless it is the ATF themselves. Thank you for a very valid question!
www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/finalrule2021r-08f508pdf/download
Pretty sure that was already struck down in court, hence the reason sba3's are out of stock everywhere 🤔
Can I use it on an AR 9 AR 15 pistol rifle?
That’s one question you are going to want to check with your state and federal regulations. If it has a standard size buffer tube than yes it will fit. However it starts getting a little tricky when it comes to length when folded etc.
Yes you can put it on an AR pistol…, just the same as you can put it on an AR rifle… the issue is not whether the buffer (on a pistol) or buffer and stock (on a rifle) folds to the side… AKs have had legally folding stocks for years that when folded reduce the overall length of the rifle to less than 26 inches… The issue is with overall lengths when the firearm is in its fully functioning configuration. A rifle (not SBR) has to have a barrel length over 16 inches and an overall length of greater than 26 inches and be designed or intended to be fired from the shoulder… An AR pistol, to be classified as a pistol, has to have an overall length of less than 26 inches and a barrel shorter than 16 inches…
When the ATF first came out with their “Pistol Brace” rule and the checklist, these folding adapters where considered a factor because they potentially increased the length of pull for the limited adjustability of pistol braces to make them more shoulder-able… However, with their final rule that virtually turned every pistol brace equipped pistol, not just AR platforms, into SBRs, thereby forcing everyone to remove their braces to be compliant, the additional length of the folding adapter became irrelevant as long as all the other criteria that make your AR pistol a pistol are complied with…
I personally have the Law Tactical Folding adapter on my AR pistol with a Strike Industries slick round pistol length buffer tube and an 8 inch barrel with about a 2 inch muzzle device and it complies with all of the ATF’s wonderful rules and interpretations of the laws… As for local state laws… I live in NC and our laws pretty much say if it complies with the federal laws then it complies with NC laws… But obviously call a local 2A attorney in your area/state, pay them a consultation fee and get the straight skinny on on the laws where you live… It’s better to pay an attorney $100-$200 for a quick consultation than to potentially face a $250,000 fine and 10 years in prison.
@SM-xy8iw thank you
What I’m getting from these comments is that this product is worth the purchase 👌🏾👌🏾 need one asap
It’s been about 50/50
@@RafsReviews thanks for that
As a manufacturer of quality firearm accessories, I can without a doubt say the aimaculate adapter is a cheap chinese knock off of the Law Tactical. They are also guilty of patent infringement. It's very difficult to try and protect your products from the Chicoms, but, if it's something that your life may depend on....buy once, cry once. The Law is pricey, but well made and really is made in America. The Chinese did the same thing with the Atlas Bipods, hell they even put the patent number on their copy, and to look at them side by side, you can't really tell the difference, until you start to use it, and then the junk craftsmanship is very apparent. Don't send those bastards that screwed up our economy a dime. Suck it up and buy the real deal, down the road you won't be sorry!
John, thank you for your input, and quite frankly after there initial push to get their product on the market, people are not really saving any money
Is the folder steel or aluminum?
The manufacturer says steel.
magnet test it @@RafsReviews
I planned on it whenever I pulled it off for something or had a small enough magnet that it wouldn’t get attracted to anything else. Just so I could say 100% that if it stuck, it stuck to the adapter
aluminum
Dude, just go drop $279 and buy the Law Tactical folding adapter if you want to have a folding butt stock on your AR… A SHTF AR isn’t worth the room it takes up in your bag if you kit it out with a cheap part that will inevitably fail when you need it most…
Trust me, I hmmmd and haaaahd over whether I should buy a knock off or the real deal… Let’s be honest the difference in price is substantial, but at the end of the day, there is just no substitute for for the real Law Tactical folding adapter, even the Sylvan Arms folder, which is a reputable manufacturer, is a distant second place in quality and function from the Law Tactical…
I’m in the process of building an AR 15 and will pick up the law for that one. Thanks for the input!
$239 Brownells.
This is exactly how I envisioned these Chinese knockoff customers. 20 dollar Amazon sight, took a pipe wrench to his buffer tube, says weird stuff in the first minute of the video. Yikes.
Regardless, thanks for watching!
ITS GARBAGE!!!! I fired 30 rounds with this and now in order to take it from the folded position to firing position I have to push the release button in order for it work.. I contacted the company and they just said its past the warranty replacement period.. I would never buy from this company again!! Lesson learned!!
Wow, I’m surprised you even got an answer from them. I emailed I don’t even remember how many times with no response.
No audio
Sorry the audio wasn’t working for you. Others have watched it without having audio issues. Maybe the browser want playing nice. I’ll check a few devices to see if I can replicate the issue.
This is not a quality product I have one it looks good ..install easy but after a day at the range it because wobbly and can't tighten it up...no customer support do not buy
You are the second person to mention failure after the range. I can also attest to non-existent customer service. Thanks for your input I’m going to tag a comment addressing both.
@RafsReviews by the way I forgot to tell you what a good install video that was good job
Thank you, I really appreciate that!
If you’re a gun expert ? The world must be full of them
Far from it and never claimed to be. Just a guy showing products so people can make their own decision on whether or not they want to buy. Thanks for watching.
The fact that you put the buffer tube into the vice and wrenched down on it ..shows me that you are not qualified to be making a video on firearms....I would have never shown that mess in a video
Thanks for watching and your input. I show it as it is, I am not an expert on anything so I put it all out there so people can see and learn the good bad and the ugly.
Rebranded aliexpress parts 🤣
lol sounds about right
It's JUNK, won't even stay folded, flops around like a wet noodle. The detent isn't strong enough to hold it. Don't waste your money, now selling them 4 for $200. Won't work on 9mm bolts that are not hollow on the end due to the bolt extension seating inside there.
Yeah I’ve seen the price going lower and lower lol
It's a pos!
I hear more people with problems than not with this brand for sure
The product I have received from them is total garbage. Even by tightening, everything in place is wobbly as fuck. It is a super shitty product.
They state a "money-back guarantee," but they lie and mislead the customers. I tried to ship it back, and they only want to grant 60% of the product as their "money-back guarantee"?
Terrible product and even worse customer service.
I totally regret buying from them.
Sorry this happened to you. I haven’t found one person that had a good customer service experience
Bought it and its is functional but pure garbage!
Did you have the same play? Any luck with hearing from the company?
Sounds about right
Straight garbage. They probably sent you a test and perfectly made adapter because everyone I know that got one doesn’t work and because their own tool scratches the finish they will not except a return. Don’t buy and just remember you get what you pay for. If product is so good they wouldn’t be sealing for such a massive markdown. Trash
Oh and don’t try calling because line is disconnected
So I can agree with you on the customer service aspect for sure. But as for the adapter I got I just ordered it off FB. The adapter wasn’t sent to me for testing. But yes 100% their customer service is garbage.
Right trash..my broke after 6 rounds.