What's under the hood of a bus? | Bus Engines
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- Ever wonder what kinds of engines it takes to power a bus? Well lets find out! In todays video I go over all the different engines that have been used by Coach buses through the last 2 decades. Some of them can have 2 or 3 different engine options.
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Nothing tops the sound of the Detroit 2 Strokes. My bus still runs it’s 12v71 with the Spicer 4 speed stick.
My brother George passed last year from covid he was a bus company owner from the early 1970s he would have loved your channel
Hey thanks for sharing this. Do you have a picture of your brother? Please email it to me at jwang@peoriacharter.com.
Please email me his full name too I'll give him a good shout out one my videos to honor him.
I've always loved the Detroit Diesel Series 92 and 50 engines. That was a great era in engines. Cummins hit a sweet spot with their L10 and M11 engines as well.
Hi James, I really like the Detroit Series 60 engine and Allison transmissions I had in my MCI buses. However since we have transitioned to Volvo 9700s I very much prefer the Volvo D13 engine paired with the Volvo I-Shift transmission. Once you get used to I-Shift you will learn to love it.
For me my favorite is the Volvo D13 and the ishift fun to drive and really good at climbing hills and smooth on the open roads
The old DD 8V71z were my all time favorite sngines.
At my old job I drove a Freightliner M2112 single axle tractor with the Cummins ISL9 coupled with an Eaton 10-speed. That thing was a beast for only being 9 liters hauling a 53’ trailer! Especially with a single axle.
I know it didn't have alot of fans but I truly miss my Cummins ISX and Zf-tronic on my 2011 J. Just shy of 400k on the odometer when I left her. Never a miss or hiccup. Was a solid piece of machinery.
Great video of the bus engines I live in Victoria Australia and I catch a lot of public buses and have done for about 20 years and still is good to see what engines they use and what happened to your right hand.
I started my career in a 83 MCI 9 with a Detroit 6V92. Then a VanHool with a Cummins ins M11. Just like you, my favorite is the Detroit Series 60 with the Allison B500! The first 60 I drove was a 95 H3-45, 11.1 L. Then we upgraded and got newer H’s with 12.7L 60’s. Of late, the buses I’ve operated are more of a shuttle, Grech M45 & M40 (Freightliner chassis) with 8.9L Cummins engines.
I just ran into this video, and I love it. My personal 29’ Gillig ex-transit shortie came with the Cummins 8.9 ISL and B400R combo, and 10,000 miles in I still can’t believe how zippy it is. Realistically, the engine is totally oversized, but it’s too much fun to drive. Going up double digit grades in top gear at the speed limit, and then some, overtaking all traffics larger than a pickup. At at 29’, it’s wheelbase is super short and it turns on a dime. I guess my inner child comes out when I’m in a bus.
i love useless information. my favorite kind. i know nothing about buses but this is great knowledge for me to know
I love the sound and power from the Detroit 8V92 with Allison HT755CR. It moves my 40 ft Prevost very nicely.
I owned two coaches for my own personal use my first was a Prevost Le Mirage and my second one was an mc9 both had a Detroit 8 V 71 with Allison ht740 Transmission love them both. Nothing today can beat the sound or the wonderfully sweet smell of the exhaust.
There is a 96 MCI 102-DL3 series bus by me that was just retired. Seems like a long time to keep one of these in service. They are selling it for $6500 with a Detroit in it. Looks good but not a project for me. As a Semi Driver and owner the Series 60 11.1 or 12.7 were always a top pick for me. Reliable and not to expensive to maintain.
I looked at a bus like that about a year and a half ago for the same price. Recently out of service and in good shape, I would have bought it. However, I could find no one to insure it for the drive home as it was still a fully operational bus. Having it towed to me was a big waste of money, so I passed on it.
1/2 NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Don't tell me Detroit discontinued the DD13, its such a great engine! A worthy successor to the Series 60. I definitely agree with you on the Series 60 Allison B500 combo. I'm also a big fan of the Detroit 6V92, great sounding and performing engines, though old and not very efficient. The 92's are pretty rare nowadays, I've only driven one in a bus made in 1993.
Yep. Detroit left the motorcoach industry.
The only bus you can get with the Detroit is the new Mercedes Tourrider
@@TellurideS13 The detroit DD13 was basically a Mercedes OM471, which is what the Tourrider has, so it's practically the same engine
That's so awesome you'll be featured in that magazine! Better frame it!
You forgot Caio bus.
My favorite engine combo is Volvo engine with Volvo I-shift transmission for line run and for charter Allison transmission
Cummins X15 is my favorite engine by far! It is smooth and quiet with plenty of power and acceleration. I never really liked the DD13 because it struggled with power when pulling heavy in a tractor trailer. Volvos are plagued with problems once they get some miles on them, and I have never had the chance to drive a truck with a Cat in it. Every heavy duty vehicle on the road has the option to have a Cummins in it and as long as it’s up to me I will go for the Cummins every time.
my sentiments exactly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,based on my experience of having rebuilt many 350 to 220 engines............to me you could almost rebuild one of those engines on the side of the road if you had to..........a great engine in my opinion.............i also liked 8V71 engines ,,,,,,,,,,,,,mechanical , not electronic obviously......
DD series 60, DD 8V92ta and Volvo in the newer coaches are my favorites.
Good Afternoon Mr. Wang, I too am a huge fan of the reliability of the Series 60, although my experience was behind the wheel of a 2000 Freightliner (Freightshaker) Columbia mated to a 10 speed Eaton transmission. That particular rig had a cracked head, so on to the next job I went. The cracked head would have been 5500 bucks for the rebuilt head plus labor, parts, fees, taxes, and the percentage tax that they charge for your cell phone for not so good measure. Ultimately, the trucking industry became better because large firms would order rigs minus engines/transmissions and install the 12.7 litre Series 60 (remanufactured) with a range of different transmission options. The obvious answer to the EPA created debacle with the DPF/DEF "wizardry". I used to pull for Tootsie Roll. We had 4 Freightliner Cascadias with DD15 engines and Eaton-Fuller 10 speed transmissions. My luck was terrible and I survived on hourly pay during the breakdowns.
Ha, I saw a Setra today. It was pretty good looking.
I used to drive a 70's Fire truck we had at our dealership several years ago. It had an old Detroit diesel. That engine was a monster of power.
Great video!👍🏾👍🏾🎉
Love the geek-ing, Mr. Gee-King :)
I personally don't mind the Volvo engines. Volvo buses are quite common here in Australia for modern buses. For Older buses I love the Detroit diesel 2 stroke because that is the best sounding diesel engine in my opinion.
I do love the sound of those 8V92 engines, I had one our 102-3B MCI, it did indeed have a nice sound and huge amounts of power. 500 horse power I believe. Very hard to get parts these days from Detroit. They were also huge oil drinkers or leakers and sometime both. We also had a 6V92 in our Eagle Model 10 however way under powered for hill climbing in Wyoming Country.
Sounds like a jet!
As favorite engine....the Detroit DIesel 6 or 8V92 or 6V71T. The MC9 was just a smooth bus. As a passenger, I love the MAN D2156HM6U and the (drum roll) DD 6V71T but on the Flxible. The turbo spool sounded like a jet engine, along with its floppy suspension was such a fun ride. One day Ill add one to the fleet.
Best to work on? Id say the Series 60 also....but I havent done much work on Volvos or Cats. Cummins are okish..but Ive had issues on reaching things in buses.
Great vid James!
Yes I remember that sound! I was a little kid new to this country and I thought to my self.. WOW THE BUSES HERE SOUND LIKE AIRPLANES!!!
@@MotorcoachWorld Right? To this day it has to coolest sounding engine of anything really...
The USEPA has driven most engine manufacturers from the truck and bus market. It’s becoming obvious that electric buses are the future. That works well for transit lines, but intercity and charter motorcoach operators don’t have good options yet in the electric bus field. There are some interesting proposals out there such as a hybrid design that can run on power delivered from cables buried in the road combined with battery power for short range operation. But that’s years, maybe a decade or more away.
Yep, your pronunciation of Prévost is very good. Once the proud of Quebecers, it’s now owned by the Swedish. MCI was even owned a few years by NovaBUS, a city bus manufacturer north of Montreal. It was bought by Volvo along with MCI that was resold afterward. I worked for them a few years and also went to a MCI plant in Roswell, NM.
Thanks for the comment! Wow you have a lot of experience in the bus world! Thanks for the comment!
DETROIT D 8V92 AND THE SERIES 60 ARE MY FAVORITES. VERY NICE PRESENTATION. LOVE THE CHANNEL.
the short Orian busses of the 90s I'd love to see them if you can
I like all of the US engines and over the years have driven just about all of them, both gas and diesel.
My coach bus experience was the two cycle Detroit's as well as the series 50 and 60. The 50 and 60 seemed more effortless than the two strokes. My experience with the other makes (and fuels) was all in trucks.
Oh, my! I had to look twice to see who the presenter was. You look completely different without the baseball cap on. Now on to the diesel comment. Other then my motor home, I have no bus driving experience. But, being an ex-trucker, I have a lot of diesel experience. I have to agree with many of the comments that the best sounding diesels ever were the 71 and 92 series Detroit Diesels (imo). One of the comments mentioned his bus was powered by a 12V71 and I started drooling. A "buzzin' dozen" is what we used to call them. And, if any DD wasn't leaking oil, it was empty. 😊 Well, enough of my trip down memory lane. Just started binge watching your videos including the older ones like this. Really great informative and entertaining video. Thanks!
Hello Tom in GA. Appreciate your kind words. Yeah I have to agree with that as well. Although I do like the hum of a Detroit Diesel series 60 also.
12.7 Detroit Diesel Series 60 with an Allison B500R transmission is a popular combination because it is just smooth, superb, reliable, throbs quietly with lots of power and lasts a long time. Many of the Cummins engines are very responsive but some of their models buzz when they accelerate. Never tried the Detroit DD13. Everything else sounds like a rattling old farm tractor (Caterpillar and Volvo D13). I find an Allison B500 transmission is a must with most motorcoaches because it makes the most out of whatever power comes out different engine models. It also helps make the most out of whatever power comes out of a tired worn-out engine.
Are you sure we are not related? Cause we think the same way when it comes to engines and transmissions lol
Great looking older bus
While working at the greyhound I had the opportunity to drive a few coaches with the Detroit, Cummins and Volvo engines but all of the transmissions we're mostly Allison while a few buses had ZF 12 speed automated transmissions.
Detroit series engine are the best engines for coaches and buses in my opinion
Very entertaining and fun to watch. Thanks for posting this.
I love the idle sound of a Detroit Diesel Series 50 engine but the sound it makes upon startup scares me. I used to cover my ears at bus exchanges
That “WRONG” buzzing sound for discontinued engines made the video for me 😂😂
(Glad to see you’re getting more fan mail now!)
LOL Thanks Maikha!
2/2 I'm most familiar with Cummins, since that's what is in most of the transit buses that I drive on a daily basis, at least the Gilligs that my agency has. We have a few that have an M11 Allison B400R combo, those are FAST buses! Great acceleration and good/quiet stopping power with the retarder, prefect for transit service. The newer Cummins do well in coach buses and I have no complaints on them.
I'm not a fan of CAT motors, mostly because my only experience with them was from the problematic years. Seems like Detroit, Cummins, Volvo and others figured it out though, wonder why CAT couldn't.
I've only driven a Volvo engine once, but I liked it a lot. Smooth and powerful.
Actually, I was gonna ask what's up with the Ace bandage wrap on your paw ?
Greyhound...Nothing but Detroit's when I drove for them.
lol I broke my pinky.
Bus: MCW metrobus with a Gardner 6lxb engine bolted to a Voith diwa 854 gearbox. Coach: DAF SB4000 vanhool body with a DAF XF 335c 12.6l bolted to a ZF 6hp ecomat 2 gearbox. If it lost the tacho power supply it would do 90mph. If it had a manual transmission 100mph plus
My favorite engine was the Detroit 6V71 or 8V71. That is the only engine I ever had 45 years ago. GM, Detroit, and Spicer revolutionized putting the engine in the rear of the coach with their trajectory Spicer transmissions
Ops hit the post button accidently. GM built the Detroit/Spicer on a 45 angle and installed it in a way that the engine could be removed and a rebuilt engine reinstalled in two days. My company's mechanics could do it in one and a half days. Companies just keep a spare engine and they just kept rebuilding them and they kept their coaches for 20 and they kept putting new duct tape on the driver's seat.
I drove a MCI, retired greyhound over the san Luis pass from king city California to hwy 101, loaded with national guard troops wanting to "take a shortcut" middle of the night poring rain going 1st gear 8 miles an hour along the top of the pass and all the windows fogged over, everybody awake like waiting for a Stephan king thriller, but just anticipating, and that's all......when we got to camp Roberts, late by 2 hours, the Sargent said, Sorry......aaahhahahaaaa 6V71
Hi, you have a lot of great and informative videos on busses. Thanks for posting!
Glad your back James!
Haven't seen an update in a while!
60 series is a great motor!
I never drove Motorcoach, but I did drive Tractor Trailer for a little while. I was also a big fan of the Detroit Diesel 60 Series, drove one in a Freightliner Tractor for a little while. I am also a very big fan of the Volvo D-13 Engine in the Volvo Tractor that I drove for a while as well. Both of those trucks I drove though were Eaton Fuller 10 speed Manual's, only drove an automatic truck once, wasn't a big fan.
I drove in the 80s then went into the maintenance side (trucks for many years then eventually managed a First Student shop) I would love to try out some of those higher HP 4 strokes in a coach. Every coach I ever drove was powered by a two stroke Detroit, either 8-71 or 6-92 in GM, MCI, Eagle and Prevosts. They all leaked oil. I used to do tours passing through Frankenmuth Mi. There was a very nice motel run by an old German guy...when you pulled into his immaculate paved yard, he would come running out with a chunk of cardboard to slide under the engine.In my early mechanic years I worked on a fleet of Freightliner cabovers, several had the big 8-92 turbo engines 430-440 HP I can't remember, I used to think one of those in a coach would really climb hills and rule the road. The series 60 DD was a great engine, I'd be curious to know the service life of one in a coach, they were a long liver in a truck. It's been tough on diesel engine manufacturers trying to meet emission #s, look at VW...I think the glory days of good reliable powerful engines is gone.
Just a suggestion: I like it better when you're sitting in the passenger seats instead of the driver seat. The untinted glass of the front windshield let's in too much light and you are in a shadow of darkness.
As for engines, it has to be a Detroit. It's a shame they can't fit a dd15 into a motor coach
Hey Ron. Thanks for the comment and suggestion. Yes I agree with you, it's hard to fight the brightness coming in from the windshield.
I was actually considering recording in my office and getting rid of the bus background all together but I don't know if that will take away from the content...
@@MotorcoachWorld Yes, but when taking about engines, where cover all and a creeper and talk under the bus...... james, Im just being a smart a$$, but your doing fine, kinda like a back seat /talker that keeps you awake and talks about things and you just say...yeah....uuh huu.... Coach is great....Captain Wang
MW: "Off brand...parts and service not for cheap..."
Me: I feel a disturbance in the force...are you talking about me LOL?
Lol I'd be lying if i said you weren't on my mind when I was mentioning this 🤣
@@MotorcoachWorld LOL. Yeah, well, I will be reviving the old bus this winter...because, thats the perfect time to be crawling under a bus and working on brakes!
The Volvo truck and bus company is a completely separate company from the one that makes Volvo cars.
They were split in 1999 when AB Volvo sold the car division to Ford. In 2010, Ford sold it to Geely motors of China. Geely runs it still as an autonomous division still entirely based in Sweden, and also uses it to provide R&D facilities to the rest of the Geely operation.
The original company, AB Volvo, continued as a bus, truck, and commercial diesel engine maker. Their first acquisition was the almost bankrupt Leyland bus and truck company of the UK. That long established brand only lasted a year or two, after which the name and products were entirely replaced by the Volvo brand and products.
The UK operation provides most of the Volvo bus and coach chassis made for use outside North America, and all Volvo double-deck bus chassis. It also produces a range of complete Volvo busses. All of the trucks and truck chassis and some bus chassis available outside North America are made in Sweden or the Netherlands. All of the engines are made in Sweden.
The two companies have nothing to do with each other at any level, from ownership down. The only thing they share is the name and logo. Technically, they both belong to AB Volvo, but the car company has a free perpetual licence to use them.
There are mutual conditions though - under the licensing contract, AB Volvo cannot produce, or associate itself with, the manufacture and/or sale of small passenger vehicles, i.e. cars, or car based commercial vehicles (small vans). It also cannot make or associate itself with the production of commercial or passenger vehicles with a gvw below 3.5 tonnes (i.e. vans and van based minibuses).
The car company can only make or associate itself with the manufacture and sale of small passenger vehicles (cars), car based vans, and van/minibus vehicles and chassis with a gvw of up to 3.5 tonnes. So far, the car company has not produced ANY light commercial vehicles of any type at all, and looks unlikely to. AB Volvo has no interest in that market, or suitable production facilities even if it could contractually do so.
Both companies jointly run and maintain the Volvo museum in Sweden, being their only joint venture.
Wow some great information thank you Kevin.
Wow, the more you know
There are numerous other splits where companies share the same name but split up and are now independent:
Rolls-Royce Motor Cars (BMW)/Rolls-Royce plc (Jet engines)
Saab Automobile (basically gone)/Saab-Scania (trucks)/Saab AB (aerospace)
Case IH (Agriculture, IH=International Harvester, owned by Fiat Industrial/CNH)/International Trucks (Navistar)
Fiat Automobiles (Stellantis)/Fiat Industrial (CNH)
Mitsubishi Motors (partially owned by Nissan)/Mitsubishi Fuso (trucks, 89% owned by Daimler)
and the latest split, Mercedes Benz (cars)/Daimler Truck.
The company I drive for has all Prevost in their fleet. One of our mechanics told me that Volvo bought the Detroit bus engine/design off them. This way they could keep using essentially the same engine, just updated.
Great video. Only now I saw it. In Europe, Cummins equips Scania Buses with their LS9 and IS6 engines. They were also providing VDL with their IS6, but these ones decided to go fully electric. I love the sound of these engines. Actually, Cummins has been here in Europe for a very long time. It was their engine on Leyland (which became British Leyland and years later was bought by Volvo). The Leyland Atlantean had a Cummins engine with precisely the same sound we hear in the New Flyer XD40. But the gearbox was the ZF4000HP (old-school music). Guy motors was another bus manufacturer that used, among different engines, Cummins.
Now, as for the Scania buses, the sound is not the same as in the U.S. The LS9 is different and the IS6 is too quiet. Still, the LS9 is currently the coolest engine sound in Europe.
This was a great discussion on the various brands of busses available in the USA and the various over-the-road Diesel engines and transmissions they can come with. Allison transmissions have been a favorite heavy duty transmission for a very long time! ZF transmissions has a good reputation, but noting like Allison's. I didn't know that Detroit Diesel had left the motor coach market. Too bad Prevost only offers the Volvo D13. Volvo could at least offer the D16 they sell in Europe and to the USA marine market. It's a big deal when towing trailer or a car in the case of Prevost motorhome conversion. Maybe the D16 has a better reputations than the D13 does for reliability after it gets some miles on it.
Great video. Brings some great memories of the days I could just work on diesel engines. I've been consumed the past 10 months of working mostly on Battery-electric on MCI's CRT-LE. Oh boy.
Great videos
Happy Holidays to you and your Family James.
Hey David! Same to you sir!
I like the Cummins ISC in New Flyer transit buses. I love the rumble when I’m sitting in the rear of the bus. They can be 4 cylinders and 6 cylinder options too.
Before Eagles were manufactured in Texas they were shipped to the United States from Belgium without engines or transmissions. Detroit 6V71 or 8V71s and Spicer manual 4 speeds were installed on the loading docks.
I miss the Detroit 6v92’s and 8v92’s.
DETROIT had good engines but being a decades long CUMMINS stockholder, I respectfully disagree on that but the ALLISON is the greatest.
I wonder if PACCAR will make their way into coaches at some point?
Me too, Detroit Series 60 11.1 Liter + Allison B500 6spd. MCI 102DL3 coach conversion to RV!
Enjoyed the video James, I too am a big fan of the Series 60 and Allison combo! It’s a shame that they let that engine go by the wayside. I am headed to do an overhead tune up on a Series 60 this weekend in a Bluebird Wanderlodge motor home. I also love my 2 stroke 92 series Detroit’s, my Wanderlodge has the 6v92, love the sound and driving experience.
My bus has a Chinese-made engine(YuChai). It is decoded as a YC6L330-42(6-Cylinder, 330 horsepower, Euro IV) engine and has a 7 speed MT(6 gears forward, 1 reverse). It is common to have MT buses in my country but AMT buses are also a growing population. Love your vids btw
My favourite was the 1998 to 2003 S60 with B500 👍, before all the emission changes. Bullet proof and great on fuel.
James, My favorite combination is also the DD60 series. with Allison B-500. We have (2) 12.7, and (1) 11.1 Detroit Diesels. I hope the hand heals soon.
Thanks John, Great minds think alike haha. Yeah the hand kind hurts right now. I did something dumb and Im paying for it LOL
Hi James! Quick annotation: Volvo has not manufactured passenger cars since the last century. In fact, the Volvo Group had been trying to get rid of Volvo Cars since the late 1970’s; unsuccessfully with Saab and Renualt, then successfully with Ford in 1999.
Hey Bobo. So my neighbor drives a 2019 Volvo passenger car. Now I am aware that the brand Volvo Is separated into many different entities and subcompanies with sub companies which I did not go into in this video . But what I was trying to convey was under the brand Volvo there are passenger cars busses and even engines without going into a lot of detail. Is this topic may warrant a separate video in the future. However currently there are Volvo cars of many different models As well as busses and semi trucks and engines.
Never drove a motorcoach, so I can't comment on the Allison. Fully automatic transmissions are extremely rare & custom order in the trucking industry. Most of the trucks I've driven in 30+ years, have been Detroit powered. In recent years, the DD 15. Not likely ever offered in a coach as it's 14.8 liters. The DD 13 was under powered for a semi. I loved the 60 series but never had the bigger one. I even drove one back in the 1980's that had a 6v71. That's a 2stroke engine. Now I'm driving a 2020 Kenworth with a Cummins X15. I'm underwhelmed by it's performance and reliability.
Not sure if the old Caterpillar 3306B was ever used in motorcoach applications, but that was the most dependable/reliable engine I have ever had in a truck. Mine was rated 300HP, and was installed in an '89 model Freighliner FLC, so even for its time, a rather reserved engine at a time when big iron was really pushing hard to the forefront. With all the choices that have come (and gone) along the way, I'd be happy with anything BUT an ovloV, want nothing to do with those problematic boat anchors. And yes, I lived through the Cat ACERT years, what a nightmare it was. My experience was that between the engine maker and the truck builder, it was a never-ending game of pass-the-buck. The "problem" was never the fault of where you just had the darned thing towed, they would spend hours and hours "diagnosing" the problem only to tell you it was the other party's problem. Tow it from The Caterpillar shop to the International shop, only for them to pull the same trick, then you were on the hook for 4 huge bills to pay - 2 tow bills, and 2 shop bills.
Awesome James. I like the combo of DD60 and Allison B500 too. DD13 too. Cummins ISX sounds nice on the highway. It seems like Cummins are more great with acceleration. DD was power and speed. The DD s50 was great in transit buses. Sorry about the hand hope it recovers quick and strong.
Series 60/B500
The college I drive for has mid-late 90's Prevosts (H3's and XL's) with the Detroit Series 60/Allison. I like those buses. We have a few newer Temsa buses - a 30 footer and 35 footer. That screen on the dash always seems to have a fault code. Not a fan of Temsa, neither is the bus mechanic. I heard we are looking for a 2009-2011 coach, we will see what make/model that is, and what powertrain it has! Thanks for your channel. I really enjoy it!
With all the Star Trek references, I was expecting you to point out the Heisenberg Compensators. But then, if there was such, the motorcoach industry (where groups of people are loaded into long rigid metallic frame vehicles [which also includes air travel]) would probably not exist as it does now.
Hey Tyler! Happy holidays! Miss you man! Im glad to see you still watch my content!
Detroit 60 all the way it’s what’s in my truck best engine ever made
Great video, not sure if you’ve covered this before but how come most US bodied coaches have split windscreens? I drive buses and coaches in the UK and we phased out the split windscreen design in the late 90s/early 2000s
Great topic suggestion. I will Add that one to the to do list! Thanks Jonny!
@@MotorcoachWorld thank you, it’s just been an interesting observation guessing it must be something to do with legislation
I realize a coach windshield is easier to clean than a semi. But as a long distance truck driver, I can say the split windshield is much easier to clean.
@@bigdaddeo76 It's also easy to clean a one large windshield, but they're most expensive to replace. Even they're more costly to replace, they offer better visibility.
The Series 60 was definitely a powerhouse of an engine.
great video. maybe you can cover the prices for the different coaches and engines in another video ?
Ummmah may have forgotten the nicest looking double decker from Marcopolo
4:37 I actually didn't expect bus engines to be using 10W-30 oil. I assumed since they're diesel engines operated at lower RPMs than that of car engines they would probably use 40, 50, or even 60 grade oils.
I guess I was hoping that you would get into more details about the configuration of the engines: such as what kind of valvetrain they have (OHV or OHC?), if they have balance shafts, whether they're turbo charged, supercharged, or naturally aspirated, and if they're all or mostly all inline 6 cylinders. When I was a kid, I assumed that bus engines are probably V8s, V10s, V12s, or even V16s on the account of how big buses looked to me. But later I found out that most of them seem to have big inline 6 cylinders. lol
Hopefully you can go into more of these details eventually. I'd be curious to hear about engines that uses natural gas, hybrid drive trains, battery electric buses, and trolley buses also. Although I understand those could be somewhat off topic as they seem to be more commonly seen on transit buses rather than motor coaches.
All of the Engines mentioned in the Video are Inline 6 engines, and they do not require balance shafts, on account of the naturally balanced nature of the Inline 6 engine layout.
I’m not a master diesel tech by any means, but as a truck driver I do like the Detroit 60 series and the Cat 3406 that was in a big Ford that I drove. Can’t remember which tranny the Ford had, think it was an Eaton Fuller or Allison something or another.. Also the Detroit DD15 is decent for a modern era unit. I drove Freightliner with the DD15 and didn’t have nearly as many DPF or regen issues as I did with other modern Diesel engines. I had a Cummins ISX15 and it was a solid engine, but everything else fell apart on the truck.
I absolutely love my bus being a 1989 Volvo B10M MK2, With the THD101GC 9.6 litre horizontal mid mount inline 6 turbo Diesel. That’s coupled to a ZF 4HP500 4 speed auto, With a PMC “Metro 90” alloy / fibreglass body built on the Volvo Chassis at 11.5 metres long (37.7 foot). I’ve driven a bus with a Cummins / Allison combo and absolutely hated it, As it was sluggish to take off and slow to kick down. But other “Mini Buses” I’ve driven like a Toyota Coaster and Mitsubishi Rosa and Higer Munro in the 20 - 29 seat category they are great for around town and the odd highway squirt, Wouldn’t take it cross country though but the coasters are a popular choice to convert to a Motorhome. As the last generation was in production for like 24 years from 1993 / 1994 to around 2017 before a new model came out, Same with the Volvo B10M like I have they were in production from 1978 - 2003 and had the choice of several body builders here in Australia (PMC, Custom Coaches, Volgren, QBB etc) that’s excluding body builders in the UK like VAN HOOL. Like the Engines in 2 seemingly identical coaches in the US, Here in Australia we can have 2 seemingly identical Chassis with 2 completely different bodies. To show what I mean look up “HCVA B10M” and there’s 2 or so videos showing around a dozen Volvo B10M’s all with different bodies. I love the Aussie bus scene as it’s so diverse with active preservation groups as well like the HCVA and Sydney bus museum.
Right now…Volvo D13 mated to Volvo iShift. That’s the closest experience left to a bus with a manual gearshift. If all I can get is a ZF Astronic that is my second choice. I started driving coaches before all this automatic transmission nonsense. Oh how the years flitter away.
The Irizar i6 is sexy as heck in my opinion
Setras in Europe are powered by Mercedes-Benz engines - Setra is owned by Daimler Truck & Bus
I also felt a small slight aimed at me with the Setra minor player comment! LOLOLOL!
LOL I'm sorry I hope that wasn't a hard line for you to swallow haha. I know how fun you are of the Setras. I actually really like them too but they were just so expensive to keep maintained when we used to have two of them
I have the Detroit series 60 with the Allison transmission along with the Pittsburg Power System on my Prevost Featherlite bus. It performs very well and I don’t have to fool with Blue Def! The computer tells me that I average 7.5 mpg fully loaded and towing a 5K+ Lincoln from TN to Indio, CA. The way my wife loads the bus I am probably heavier than you with a load of passengers!!!
The Mercedes Tourrider will have the OM-471 which is the European version of the DD13
When emissions systems came to requirement, Caterpillar got out the truck and bus/RV business. Detroit Diesel is ending because of their owners Diamler which owns Freightliner and Western Star trucks want Detroit Diesel exclusively for their brand.
I have a 1999 prevost with seris sixty with 13 speed Manuel. With liberty conversion 3 slide out for 60000 Dollars with 150000 miles. The Manuel transmission put price down most rv ERS want automatic
Well since I'm old school, my favorite would be the Detroit 6V92TA coupled to an Allison HT754.
6v92 + Allison HTB748. Best combo ever
I'm proud you're going to be in that magazine but I don't call you vintage. Knowledgeable maybe vintage you have many years before that .. excellent video the quality of your work gets better every time
Vintage “to be”
If there was a Motor Coach Hall of Fame, James would be in it!
Personally it's a toss-up between the Detroit and the caterpillar though I am curious to find out if MCI or Van-Hool offers the Cummins X-15 with 605 horsepower because it's becoming increasingly popular with companies that make luxury Motorcoach RVs with Newell leading the pack with the Cummins X-15 and 605 horse
Yeah...cant forget about the 1%.....hahaha
Wow, that's sad that Detroit and CAT pulled out. Maybe the pandemic really shrunk the bus market but expanded the truck market. But actually, I didn't know that truck and bus had different engines. Or maybe Volvo (Paccar?) came and took a big bite out of the entire big diesel market.
James what's up with your hand? I hope whatever happened heals quickly and without further issues.
Love watching your channel. comment not about this video sorry, just wanting to say this to you and not sure how to other then youtube here. I have just got my 1st coach driving job and excited to start going. most my training is now done and I just have to do some ride along trainings now before I can go solo. Do you happen to have any video's for 1st time coach drivers and any tips or tricks?
Hey James I got a few questions I have a 92 MCI Couch with a Cummings with a Allison trans and I can’t find the power steering to add fluid. I can’t find it anywhere. You have any ideas for me
If I may suggest also checking out new flyer buses which took over for Orion buses new flyer now builds their own buses as well as supply parts for buses ranging from early 2000s to the last year Orion built buses
No engines from Paccar in US Coaches ? We have them in Europe, branded DAF.
It's the default option for Van Hool lately.
No more DD60???? NOOOOOOOOOOO.
What the hell..... What's MCI going to do??? They were great....
Detroit Series 60 engine and B500 Allison transmissions
Hey James. Got a question for you: what's the reason for the weird angle on the windshield of the blue bus at 0:20? Is it a style thing, for better visibility or...something else?
Hey David. You know that's a really good question. I've actually wondered that myself since I was a kid. In fact I forgot all about the fact that some buses are designed like that because modern ones don't really have that angled windshield anymore.
So I guess this means I need to find out and do a video on the topic LOL
I think it could just be reflection on the glass.
@@MotorcoachWorld I remember highway coaches and city coaches like the front on that coach and the ones that were owned by the TTC and Gray Coach back then were 1950s era GM coaches. I hope that helps
@@MotorcoachWorld That looks like a FitzJohn Cityliner built after WW2 for about 4 years. The angle on the windshield was to reduce glare on the inside of the windshield drivers drove with the interior lights on at night. Not every manufacture had overhead passenger reading lights that was a new thing. Notice the engine is in the front. GM transit buses had angled windows because the driver had to drive with the lights on at night.
I just love this group of people.. I feel at home with you guys! Love the comments!
Could u do a video of a Pre trip of a bus .. prevost