The Cult of Hockey's "St. Louis grabs Broberg and Holloway from Oilers" podcast
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Let's do this! The Cult of Hockey podcast. By the Faithful and for the Faithful. Today Bruce McCurdy and David Staples dig into the Oilers losing out on promising young players Dylan Holloway and Philip Broberg, a major blow to the franchise.
Fun fact, Emberson had 94 hits in 30 games, spanned to a full season he would be at 250 hits top 10 in NHL same rate as Kane.
I'd rather see "ruff n tuff, hard to bluff" Josh Brown make the team as 6th defensemen.
He is the one unknown & possibly the revelation that makes this whole situation inconsequential. Hopefully he is the missing piece of the puzzle on the right side.
@@user-bi6yf4hv9g Either you are unaware of how trash Brown is or you are another team’s fan which would make sense.
@@jonbenjisnomore7935 He’s also great on the PK. If one of the young guys Pods/Savoie/Lavoie/Jarvente pop then Holloway becomes a moot point.
Matching these offers would have set a bad precedent when you’re trying to get 97 and 29 to take a discount. Bottom line is neither Holloway or Broberg wanted to be here otherwise they would not have signed the offer sheets.
This is one reason the Blues did it.
Hate what happened, but I don't blame the players. Broberg was deliberately slow-played over his ELC so Oilers could low-ball his contract, so why wouldn't he take 4x the salary the Oilers were offering? As for Holloway, he doubles his salary but I think even more significantly he was pushed down the lineup by the Oilers signing a bunch of FA wingers. They didn't owe us any favors, it was just cold calculated business on all sides.
Taking a million for three years with Edmonton vs three million per in St Louis? I'd sign it.
@@jimbrown5070 It's not 3 million its 2.3 and the OIlers probably offered something in the 1.3-1.5 range.
@@inducedcomics St Louis website said $9.16 for Broberg and $4.58 for Holloway for two years. Edmonton Journal podcast said team offered $1 to 1.3 for three years.
Ceci had some of the worst analytics for his contract in the league. Mcleod was a ghost in the playoffs. Foegele was inconsistent. Broberg was unproven, and taking on a high risk contract based on a small sample size would be the exact same Oilers mistake that was made with Kassian, Koskinen, etc. etc. Holloway was pushed out of the top 6 with the addition of Skinner and Arv. Sucks to lose them, but the increased cap flexibility and trade assets will allow them to replace those depth losses. $7.2 AAV for Brob and Holloway is insanity to even pout about.
pretty sure you are right broberg and his potential scare me but you cannot pay everyone on potential also sometimes we watch a guy have a few good games and think he is the second coming of bobby orr or ray bourque
Life goes on. Being out of cap jail with a decent team ain’t the end of the world.
Nurse keeps us in cap hell sadly
nope life is over..:)
@@matthewgraf9449 Nurse deal will haunt us for YEARS! I still believe that Oilers will not win the cup with Nurse. He has been, is and will forever be a momentum killer. He is the one who should be on the LTIR
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I don't agree. The solution isn't giving a huge dollar amount contract, to a totally unproven young defenseman. It's making that very same "mistake" that you claim Nurse contract is. 4 million for Bromberg? Forget it...maybe in 3 years. Watch and see when Boberg isn't around the best players in the world and other stellar stars as well. Broberg won't have 10% of the conditions he enjoyed in Edmonton and his true value on his own merit with lesser players will expose his hubris.
David is sad that largely unproven Broberry and Holloway are gone. Money left to sign Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard- more important then looking back is looking forward. There were lots of decisions made by Holland and Jackson made that aren’t do overs.
So glad the Oilers let them walk. What kind of message would it send to all those guys who signed for less than they could get elsewhere (Janmark, Skinner, etc.) if two kids came along and got huge paydays? This move tells the team, "Go ahead and chase the bag somewhere else, guys sign here to win, not to make extra cash."
It's true. But losing Broberg sucks. That dude looked real good in the playoffs
@@Greenfrom3broberg didn't want to sign. Too bad Holloway left with him.
There's paycut and then there is 75% paycut... Oilers offer broberg 25% what STL offered... Mcdavid will def do what broberg didn't and take a 4 mil contract instead of 16 mil cuse he is a vet and doesn't chase bags right
@@falarusare you seriously comparing McDavid to broberg? Really??? Really??? Be better than that.
@@falarustotally agree with you Even if they offered Bro a couple of mil He probably would have sighed
Lets overpay these two unproven guys and take that money away from the Connor , Leon and Evan negotiations, you guys are nuts!
That's not what they said at all
Whatever helps you sleep at night ☮
@@happytrails151 but suggesting that they should pay them that is nuts. That was never an option.
I thought some said Bruce was smart.
I totally agree with Bruce, you couldn’t match because of the after effect on future negotiations with stars and bottom players, Bruce hit this nail on the head ✅
Brrrrruce is usually not wrong
Smartest analyst in hockey imo.
I’m in the minority it seems but I’m glad they didn’t match. The Oilers management post Holland has made the right decisions with regard to contracts, trades and ultimately walking away from these accepted off sheets. The cap space has value and although Broberg and Holloway were good prospects at that price the oilers can do better and get a “win now” player at the deadline if need be.
It’s time to stop overpaying on players who are not worth the investment. If Broberg said I’ll go 4.58 for 6-8 years then that would’ve made sense but he specifically signed for 2 to ensure this whole circus would remain when he had arbitration rights if the oilers decided to match.
Bottom line, it’s good business giving the circumstances by Bowman and Jackson.
Looking at the comment section, you're not in the minority and I agree with you.
Don't forget guys - Broberg wanted to be traded and we tried and were asking 2nd round pick with no takers - and 4.58M for an unproven dman who only played well against two teams who just went through FIVE (Las Vegas, Colorado, Tampa Bay, Boston, and NYR) meat grinders well.......... Good luck to St.Loo on that contract.
both those guys they brought in have more experience and proof that they can play in the bigs. broberg and Holloway are now way over paid, why would you overpay anyone at this point? the oilers are gathering players that are proven not crystal balls maybes
Not a bad gamble by StL to overpay them, given the position the team is in. They want some help now, they're not up against the cap, and the contracts are only for two years. The upside is one or both develop well and earn the value of their new contracts, and more. The Oilers are at a different stage, and simply could not match the overpayment.
remember when the oilers lost yamo, Jesse p, bear...... list goes on. what happened to all of those guys?
All borderline NHL'ers just like Broberg and Holloway
@@drogontargaryen3428 to be honest i think broberg and holloway were better than those three players you mentioned but yeh i get what you are saying
I fault the Oilers for not signing Broberg and Holloway to fair contracts earlier before STL offer sheeted them.
I don't fault them for not matching the offer sheets. They cannot pay $4.6M for Broberg, when Bouchard was signed last year at $3.9M, and Kulak was signed at $2.75M. They cannot pay $2.3M for Holloway when they just signed Henrique for $3M and Janmark for $1.45M. These overpays would disrupt the team contract structure.
Bruce is the smartest person in oilers media
With a telescope and an excellent supply of Observers Handbooks.
he really knows his stuff i like david as well
Imagine what our opinions would be if he was ever given the chance to finish his thoughts. David constantly swoops in on a Bruce’s thoughts and takes it in a different direction. Arg!
Kurt Leavins & Bob Stauffer also are two more commentators whose opinions that I have the upmost respect for. Very astute imo.
Staples is a whiner
How do you sign Broberg in January when he asked for a trade at Christmas, I’m sure both agents said “don’t sign anything” you can’t sign a player who doesn’t want to be here
I know hindsight is 20/20 and no one can predict how a player is going to perform. Bad contracts are signed all the time. But every time a situation like this arises with the Oilers I can't help but think of Nurse's contract and how different the options would be if he wasn't overpaid by 5 million dollars
Yep, Dave specifically never seems to connect the dots. He falls in love with these players and the hyperbole ensues. He and Bruce talked the same way about JP. Do not pay fringe players or any player really beyond what they're worth, especially given the cap situation across the nhl.
Nurse is not a 4M defensemen. His play has deteriorated so much he is at best a #5 defenseman. That means Nurse is getting overpaid by 7M.
@@user-yb8jh8fu5r i know what you mean because my friends say this quote to me all the time you don't like nurse because he makes so much and i tell them i don't like nurse now even as a 6th dman
Get over it. They arent loyal Oilers AT ALL. They went for the money and thats fine. The status of the Oilers playoff dreams were not considered. That was Broberg's choice and Holloway followed... Period. They already have less shiny replcements that will easily fill those spots. They are free to choose their own future. IF we hoist the cup, imagine the regrets if they never hoist one. Very rarely do the conditions fall into place. They decided it isnt worth waiting for it...they get the curse of the Bambino of hockey and they did it themselves.
What do you say about Nurse,? Was he loyal? Greedy?
I'm SAD that they went. Would be MAD if we overpaid for them (especially $4.6million for Broberg). Broberg might be a stud or a dud. Thats a big bet you'd be making, a massive bet using Cap money possibly use for Connor, Leon and Bouch coming up.
when barrie left he was top pairing defence. bring him back at 1 mil and hes third pair and solid nhler.
I agree…he played well for us especially with kulak!..they were really good together and Barrie was really upset when Holland traded him!
Barrie looked skilled and slow last I saw him here. Consistently bobbling the puck at the blue line under pressure and then unable to prevent the resulting breakaway. Hard Pass imo.
@@Ace96x10 that’s all true. But I know he has it in him. New baby and he really loved the oilers. I trust him more than the three guys they are planning on starting the season with. Plus he’s a great guy.
@@dianedyck3474 I know that for a fact. It was the right move at the time, but getting Barrie back for cheap is also the right move right now. Over sketcher and brown is play him. For 1 mil or even 1.5 mil.
@@myfriendjoe Ya, Considering the apparent lack of Depth at D now, you may well be right.
What a waste of development. Theuve traded, and/or lost 7 of their 1st or 2nd round picks of the last 8 years. Not how you build a team. Its worth blaiming nurse, and management.
I like the decision, a good move out of an unfortunate spot. An unfortunate spot for sure
We can’t change what has happened. It sucks but how could they pay Broberg’s contract? It would completely upset their salary structure and if they paid Broberg how would affect subsequent negotiations?
I love this move of not signing them. They've shown they don't wanna be here. Neither were crucial to the team. F them.
Use the cap space to add a solid stay at home dman at the deadline and we are fine.
Those deals would have screwed us next season.
Well said
Agreed
Thank you for drafting them in the 1st and shaping them up for us.
I just listened to Stan bowman and what he says makes sense…I think podkolzan could be a replacement for holloway maybe!
David is talking utter garbage about these young player kmt there is no guarantee regardless whichever choice they chose. We over pay now and then every player signing new contract want to bigger money. Like everyone was jumping when we got skinner and victor. It's about time we grow up and stop acting like the same players did not decide to sign the offer sheet.
As he often does.
What a goof David is😂
Jackson as a former agent I think knew offer sheets were coming for Broberg since the season ended.
Dave unsurprisingly you again overvalue these players. Foegle? Lol. Get over it. Nobody can excuse not getting a deal done earlier but these offer sheets are ridiculous. Cap space isnt valued enough, thats what got Holland in this mess in the first place. Stop paying players more than what they're are worth full stop.
why would broberg sign here, he couldn't crack the roster. he didnt crack the roster. he asked to be traded! Holloway is another player that is borderline nhl and when he plays in st Louis you will see how lucky we are to not pay him that
You should consider the team purposely suppressing playing time for Broberg and Holloway. Look at the Oilers offers to them! Big time low ball offers because the Oilers thought they had e no leverage!
@giannicardinali175 the oilers never thought that they knew they could be exposed to offer sheets lol, the thing is the player had zero bargaining power other then signing offer sheet simple, so why over pay when the players now what's at stake as in a stanley, clearly being paid is more important then a cup and I don't blame players for that because it's a once in a lifetime chance at NHL cash
I agree to an extant with this post because Hollywood will still be 3rd line regardless alcause St Louis has a set top 6 and he could rotate in and out but Jake is there guy and that russian fella, Broberg will be fine but if elevated to often he may get exposed early
@@matthewgraf9449 St. Louis does not have a set top 6. The first line is set, but camp will decide who starts on the 2nd line. The Blues have a bunch of guys who could play in the middle 6.
@@giannicardinali175 Well, you're not a GM, nor will you ever be. Here's the facts - You gotta pay Drai, next year you gotta pay McDavid and Bouchard. I guarantee you if Broberg signs for that contract here, you lose Bouchard because you won't have the money for him. Go ahead, do the math - you'll see. Sucks to lose them, don't get me wrong, but i'd rather have Bouchard than Broberg any day. Good luck to them in St.Loo - don't blame them for leaving but certainly don't fault anything the Oilers did here.
I think you put much in to Broberg and Holloway
Suggesting Broberg and Holloway should be signed for 6.8 million for two years over 30 goal scorer Skinner for 3 at one year is ridiculous. Unproven rookies got greedy
I don't think you guys understand our current cap situation. It wasn't this years salary that made it impossible to match it was next year when you have Bouchard and McDavid to sign and Drai's extension and Bouchards new salary hitting the cap.
Holland got the Oilers into salary cap hell and he failed to sign Broberg and Holloway. Now new Management will have to clean up the salary cap mess by exercising financial responsibility and better cap management and building up a pipeline of prospects. The Oilers still need to resign Draisaitl, Bouchard and McDavid and S Skinner. The Oilers have to do something with Nurse's contract.
@@user-yb8jh8fu5r he was cleaning up for years though. He brought a steady hand. You gotta remember that Pete C is the person making this terrible overpay, maybe holland will be asked to come clean up the mess in St. Louis in 4 years
You're right about how past Oilers GM's Chiarelli & Holland put this team in cap hell and even though Jeff Jackson hasn't been on the job long imo he did make a major mistake & misstep this summer by not prioritizing these 2 young players over some of his other signings.
Holloway is very very replaceable. broberg is harder to replace but only based on potential, he is very replaceable based on results
That is the most accurate description I have read of the Broberg situation. Well said.
i agree you canot pay everyone on potential time will tell
Everyone will be watching Broberg and Holloway this coming season to see how well they will be playing for their new team. Chances are that they won't both be game breakers. Still, we will have a humongous challenge on defense. Nurse better show up this year. I don't think this story is over yet.
Only Pete C would make such a massive overpay. bye bye , we dont have Pete in our front office anymore. if the oilers matched those contracts we would have been in a bad place for two years, how does that help us win. broberg played 10 games, 4 mil? all of the oilers worst players from the regular season and playoffs are gone. oh well. Vinny D and Foegele were not great. Could care less to see them go, mark my words, they are not going to live up to those deals.
Both are borderline everyday players that betrayed the team that drafted them by signing the offer sheets... Why would you want them back at their bloated contracts now? Good Riddance Broberg is soft as shit and always plays scared so let see how he does on the crappy Blues team and Holloway was gonna be a 4th liner on the Oilers this year. Let them be the Blues problem now with their contracts
@@drogontargaryen3428 can't blame them for taking guaranteed NHL money considering your student because they are borderline players so they want the money that's all there is too it
Throw a tampon in why dont ya
easy boys, we'll work it out. We have time. there are a lot of days till the playoffs.
Could be worse, we all could be in TO cheering for the leafs. js
And now ALL that taunting of the Leafs tying up the majority of their payroll with their core four will come back & bite the Oilers & that part of their fanbase that is so gullible & naive to believe everything that this owner & his mismanagers feed them. 😢
They've barely played. Overreaction
I think we all need to breath. Paying those guys more would have crippled our future cap issues.
Latest line combos have Broberg on the 3rd pair in St. Louis lol
wrong he will be paired on the left side of either parayko or more than likely with faulk on second line . suter and kessel round up the 3rd line. left side is why we signed him.
all I can say is that we better be getting some decent deals done on Bouchard and Draisaitl before the season starts. If that drags on and on it will make me wonder
I’m not devastated about Holloway. Sure he’s a high draft pick but he was given ample time to play with 97 and 29 and could never fully land a spot on either line.
I have Holloway penciled in on the fourth line. why would you break up that third line that we were all stoked to re sign? are you telling me that Holloway is better than any of our top wingers? hes not. Holloway was only playing top minutes in the playoffs because of massive injuries, otherwise he was borderline in the lineup. broberg finally proved he was better than Vinny D with 10 games to go, that's not worth 3 mil. let alone 4
Too emotional. It's a business. You play the odds. Broberg didn't want to sign, and neither showed anything until the last few weeks of the year. This is the price of Connor, Leon, and Bouchard- cap hell. Last year, we started with Vinnie (who had 36 NHL games). We made the final round to game 7. With ~$1M in cap space (worth $4M at trade deadline) and draft sweetener, you can get a top 4 D-man. Come back in December, and we can talk about it. Both offer-sheet players could stiff, and it's a disaster for St. Louis. Edmonton fans overvalue their prospects (e.g., Magnus, Robbie Schremp, Jesse, Nail, Kailer, Ethan, Klim, etc.). Can you imagine if the Oil retained both of them, they flopped and had $7M on the books? Ugh. This offers the best odds for the risk. Play the odds. Q: How much for Larson at the deadline from Seattle - he's on his last year in Seattle?
Both players signed the two-year offer sheet deal for a reason. The Blues know the Oilers can't match the offer in the second year. If the Oilers match the offer, they only have $16M of cap space for next year. The return for those two players sucks, but that is a huge money bet on 2 players that finish their ELC.
If the Oilers have to match either one of them, it will not look good for McDavid, Draistile, and Bouchard's extension.
If only someone would make an offer sheet on Nurse.
If we can't get the Dry deal done, Darnell is the reason why.
Yup!!!... the second Nurse signed that bloated deal, I knew it would be detrimental in the future ( I just didn't know in what capacity).
This is the result.... thank you Ken Holland!
YOU ARE VERY WRONG (hosts), with the benefit of hindsight, judge something that made no sense earlier. You can't sign all 'promising' talent to 1.5-1.8M contracts before they play any relevant games (before play-offs). Then play-offs start and lots of other priorities are there. Then they were hoping/counting on no offer-sheets (didn't happen in 100 years successfully), so where are the mistakes? After the offer-sheets, good-riddance, we can't pay 6.8M for the two, with no games in their feet, that is NUTS. They have cap space and can find better alternatives. The only emotional reaction here is YOURS.
When you have players taking less & hoping to take less(aside from Nurse) to win a cup, matching these 2 sends a different message
Podz works incredibly hard. I hope he turns his game around.
Problem is Broberg had an issue with Oilers management and his agent knew that an offer sheet could be a possibility. Holloway is very replaceable at a much lower salary. The Oilers cup window is now.
Not sure why Staples (and so many others online) are raising the possibility of signing free agents. Given the cap space available, and the benefit of having Kane’s salary on the cap for day 1 of the season, almost assuredly they will delay for a 2RD coming at the trade deadline, after a year of building cap space. Until then, they have Emberson, Stetcher, Brown, Carrick, and Kemp.
You need one RD that can play well with Nurse. Get that, and we win the cup.
Cap era not everyone can stay and the risk of these overpays is not worth it. People forget Oilers added a bunch of youth this offseason too.
you do weigh in on players that you haven't seen 30 games, how about broberg... you are ready to pay him over 4 mil to stay? that's nuts, like Pete C level nuts
Isn’t Chiarelli the VP of Hockey Ops for the Blues?
@@ronlandry7672 yes. Thats the point. He makes awful decisions.
FROM NOW ONWARD for 50 years with the Oilers and otherwise, players will think thrice (especially Holloway who messed up his career by knocking the door open to SL), so that they think of their career FIRST and ABOVE 1M more....
The original draft positions of the players should figure into the compensation calculations. Feeling quite ripped off. Two firsts now gone for a 2nd and 3rd?
The Blues get players who've developed to a fair degree, while the compensating draft picks are not only lower, draft picks always carry the risk of not turning out.
In this situation, the Blues having to give up two first round picks for the next two years would've also been a bigger disincentive for them to make the offer.
The NHL has to change the compensation rules in 10 years, AFTER the Oilers poach some good young talent from the Blues.
Apparently as of now the youngest forward on the team is Connor mcdavid.
And this is a result of running far too close to the cap for years.
And it’s only going to get worse.
Apparently long term thinking & this franchise aren't compatible with one another😢
People blaming this on the early days of free agency this year, like the Perry deal are wrong, the Perry deal, mistake or not, had nothing to do with this decision on either player. Skinner, Avirdsson are value deals of proven NHL players. This was 2 young, mostly unproven RFAs that got offer sheets at a combined 6.9 million. It was their right o sign those deals, but signing those deals are why they are gone, simple as that. How they were treated and developed, play time with the NHL club, etc. definitely are reasons too. The Oilers, like most teams were using their RFA status, their lack of arbitration and bargaining power, to grind them down to 2-2.5 million combined. The Blues and their offer sheets, spoiled the Oilers plans. These players were gone due to a bunch of reasons... McDavid, Drai, Bouchard are wayyyyyyyy more proven and way more important than these 2. Dead cap space from buy outs (Campbell and Neal), bonuses (Brown), Nurse making more than he should. All of these factors added to up to a perfect storm. Armstrong knew this and he shot his shot. It stinks, it part of being a good team, that's up against the cap.
Edmonton is in WIN NOW mode, this year, and even next year are their best chances to win, before before Drai(1year left), McDavid (2 years left), and Bouchard (is 1 year left), all go up in salary. The Oilers got out of cap hell, gave themselves flexibility to make moves (like an upgrade at 2nd paring RH D). IF they kept Broberg,and Holloway for that matter too (just to a lesser extent) they were basically done. Between the inability to trade either Broberg or Holloway for a full year, Kane's unknown health/LTIR status, being over the cap, and our lack of assets to move (picks and prospects), the Oilers would of been stuck with this team, for better or worse. Could Broberg and/or Holloway actually of worked out this year? yes, but, odds are, they wouldn't have lived up to their new deals this season, and maybe, if not probably the next season as well, because, they are young, and they are still developing. The Oilers needed them at 2.5 million-ish max, once they signed these offer sheets, that ended that possibility. Perry did get overpaid with that little bonus, but that doesn't kick in until next year, his base salary can be buried in the minors if they need to, it had nothing to do with this.
yes, this stinks, but the Oilers picked the lesser of 2 evils, the better gamble, simple as that.
I really like Bruce and David, I think they are smart and knowledgable hockey minds, but they are off on this one. The day these 2 signed these offer sheets a week ago, this was OVER. The work did this week by Bowman, the Cecil/Emberson deal, the extra prospect and pick they squeezed out of St. Louis, the Podkolzin deal, the flexibility that they were able to create was probably the best any of us could have hoped for.
it sucks, no one wanted to lose either of these players, we lost 2 good, young players, that both look like are on the verge of taking that next step into developing into every day productive NHLers. Problem is, we couldn't do it without putting ourselves in salary cap hell. No matter what the Oilers chose to do today, it was going to be less than ideal, the second those 2 offer sheets were signed, there was no GREAT outcome for the OIlers. Nothing they did, or could realistically do, was better than having Broberg and Holloway signed at a combined 2.1 to 2.5 million, it's as simple as that.
The MONSTER POINT these two gentlemen have completely missed is that if you pay Broberg and Holloway those salaries it will make other players on the team furious! Several star players took big discounts to help the team win. What does it say if you massively overpay these two punks? You would absolutely positively DESTROY the morale and team spirit in the dressing room. Moreover, these two players would be demonized by the rest of the team. I try to be impartial and honest and in this particular situation, Stan Bowman did the right thing. Now we have no fear when it's time to activate one of the best power forwards on the planet in Evander "The Real Deal" Kane. I say all this really liking the potential of both Broberg and Holloway. It wasn't supposed to end this way with these two players but what has transpired is what's best for the team. That's what really matters, period! Next topic of conversation. ..
I'd take Holloway and Broberg over Nurse....
Nurse didn't get the nod in The Cup Finals... and clearly paid to be that guy. Broberg was preferred over Nurse when push came to shove. Heck, I'd take just Broberg for Nurse straight up. For the loot absolutely.
Big thing everyone is forgetting is if the Player/Agent don't want to sign the contract being offered the team can't do all to much.
Whoever it was on the Oilers staff that allowed Broberg to play that one extra game to be offer sheet eligible should be fired into the sun....c'est la vie, hopefully Broberg, and Holloway can watch the Oil win the cup and think of what if!
Thanks for doing this so soon boys
I'm surprised how hung up you are on losing these 2 players. $7 million for Broberg and Holloway is a lot of money for 2 young, unproven players. Especially when veteran players are returning on discounts and we have major contract extensions coming up.
Also, Broberg played 9 playoff games and 2 regular season blowout games and we are labelling him as our 2RHD which is also his off-side? I'm happy the Oilers didn't match and instead are giving themselves cap space to play with during the season in case Ty Emberson or Stecher or Brown don't work out. Kulak has been vocal about not wanting to play his off-side as 2RHD. Personally, I'm almost as optimistic that Ty Emberson can play with Nurse at 2RHD as I was with Broberg. We already have Nurse at $9.25 million and overpaid - we can't do the same with Broberg who is too young to hand $4.5 million.
They need to pressure Nurse to waive his NTC.
The Blues were in a position to gamble with overpaying the two, while the Oilers were in the worst possible position to do so.
Podkolzin and Emberson might be adequate stopgaps, and potentially more. And they acquired a few assets to trade for a proven second pair RD.
Stecher still seems like a better bet than either Schultz or Barrie - even Emberson's 10 points in 30 games seems a better bet
To bad staples never let's bruce talk 😅
Feel sorry for you Bruce you don't get much chance to say anything.
I think it’s great, they should both stop talking and shorten this to 12 minutes.
What should be done is a more hardened approach on getting deals signed, communicate to the players either they get a deal done or they get traded, anytime you take free agents on a cup run , every other GM is lcking their chops to poach them, i was worried from the start of free agency this would happen , but some of the media in this town thought fans were wrong for thinking that, and now some of those ppl are saying " how could the oilers have seen this coming " Lol
Until the Nurse contract is gone were screwed
These two are great hockey players yet they want $$ more than a cup. Patience might have given them both. Their behaviour compromised the Oilers situation. I believe they might have caused disruption in the dressing room. Oilers did the right thing.
The nurse effect. Need another blue liner asap.
Holly and Broberg had they stayed (at a discount) would have a couple shots at a stanley cup. To leave for the money you'd better hope that shot comes again down the road...it may not.
Staples is the biggest Holloway fan. Let us cry 😭
The Oilers' level of thinking dwarfs his.
Pretty stupid asset management for the oldest team in the league to let 2 young skilled players walk for peanuts. Then to top it off, after letting Desharnais walk, you also turn around and trade Ceci without replacing any one of the 3. Horrible.
Emberson is not a replacement. He has 30 games NHL experience, no one knows what he is.
Emberson might be the saving grace for those who made the decisions and he could be the one player who is ready to breakthrough this season & shines. Hopefully for the Oilers he is.
Don’t forget overpriced goalie jack campbell helped in this mess. Holland overpaid for the goalie who was never going to be the goalie we needed!
can we get arber xhakai from montreal? hes available isnt he?
I would love to have him on the team, tough as nails...
They've had so many inquiries about him that 1. I doubt that he is available 2. If he is available it will cost way too much because there will be a bidding war for his services
Boys this not right every player needs to earn the opportunity either Broberg or Holloway seised the moment here for more than one year. Yes I would like them here but we need to move on with tears but move on we shall
Staples looked like he was gonna song a Blues song 😂 based on his sadness.
How many boxes of tissues did it take to put this podcast to air quit the whining every player in the locker room has taken a discount need I say more
They chased the bag outta town and miss on all the great intangibles that come with a cup contending team.
Oil made a good business decision. Holloway and Broberg chose not to sign offers presented to them by the Oilers previously that were far market value. Those chose the money and change of scenery. Teams can’t be held hostage in a salary cap world. I think the Oil are still a better team today than they were 3 months ago.
Correct me if I'm wrong, please. Would you not want to stay with a team that isn't just a playoff team but a cup contender instead of getting a payday? I admire Hollywood and Broby for betting on themselves, but they went from a cup contending team to a team that is like fringe playoffs contention. This might be their only chance at a cup in their entire career. Just ask Perry (I know, he won in Anaheim) or J Skinner.
Shpuld have traded both before they got papers
Could Holland have signed them earlier? If I were an agent for either, I'd have advised them to do exactly what they did. Don't sign yet, be patient, work hard, show your value and wait until the off-season for offer sheets, cuz the Oilers are capped out.
I don't feel betrayed by these two, what they did was the best for their young careers, in a sport where injuries are common. And they ran into logjams in front of them (again Holland's fault, or not?), which offer sheets provide players a way out of.
How can you be upset with the Oilers. Bowman did the right thing. Holloway and Broberg forced the oilers hand by signing the offer sheet. Let them walk. You can’t have it all. St L overpaid and you guys are over reacting to the situation. What was anyone expecting. The Oilers did not have enough space to make either of those two happy. Get over it. After a nights sleep maybe you will realize what a great move Bowman made. They were not core and were dispensable.
Bruce seemed to get it, David not so much. You can’t pay Broberg 4.5 MM and upset the salary apple cart. These guys sealed their fate by wanting out. They got their wish.
Once those offer sheets were signed I was ready to watch them both go. The real problem is Jackson and we're probably going to be stuck with his clown show for at least 10 months.
I remember when there was a pretty vocal segment of this fanbase who whined & complained of the Oilers Old Boys Club yet imo ALL Katz has done since he bought this team is replace one old boys club with another. The 2 ex Oilers Old Boys Club aka Kevin Lowe & Craig MacTavish that took the 2006 Oilers to a game 7 of a Stanley Cup final to the hockey Canada Bob Nicholson & a NHL insider ex player agent Jeff Jackson (the adult Harry Potter look alike) & his hand picked buddy ex NHL GM & retread Stan Bowman.😢
One thing I see in this discussion; the Oilers have a long, dismal history with Russian born players. There has been virtually no Russian player in Oilers history that played up to his contract and/or acquisition cost. Maybe Boris Mironov was the closest player to his costs and Bobo certainly had his share of fans in Edmonton but, while there have been numerous star Russian players in the NHL - the K.L.M. line, Pavel Bure, the three current great Russian goalies, Ovechkin, Malkin, et al - the Oilers have never been close to getting a Russian star, much less superstar, player. This latest signing of a Russian born player just continues a long trend. Stan Bowman can be forgiven for not knowing this but Jeff Jackson should certainly know this by now. I get it, the Russian is cheap, but it's very likely that there are several other players around the league who are at the Russian's price point and situation with more upside. By now it seems obvious that the Oilers should avoid Russian non-star players like the plague.
Staples is hitting the ground running with that background. i hit the floor. great stuff.
One of my first observations was look at the team speed we lost. This is indeed a downer of a day.👎👎
Our 2nd pairing defense is void right now. Nurse at this point doesn't count.
I keep hearing how we have lost some fast skaters. What good are fast skaters if they have questionable puck control and poor finesse and can’t make plays? How many plays died on McCloud’s stick. How many missed shots on breakaways with these fast skaters. These guys were developing but does anyone know if they were taking the place of a slower but better player? I suppose we will see how they do on their new teams and how our new members do playing as Oilers.
Holloway looked depressed at the Blues introduction video conference.
Stupid kids, temporary money to blow your first chance at a cup.
Either way Oilers front office are to blame for everything. I think it's time to fire Bowman.
Bruce if Broberg beat out Kulak he would be here not Kulak regardless of term
That’s why St. Louis offered two-year deals because they knew you guys couldn’t afford to pay. You guys all figure that Vancouver did you guys a favor. You did us a favour by giving us a fourth round for him .He can’t make our team and he’s not waiver exempt.
I can't understand fans that we booted from the playoffs sry
Why is everyone in Edmonton quick to complain about what STL did? How about looking at the beginning of the off season free agent market or maybe look at the signing of 4 players to over half the cap lol
4.5 M for Broberg is simply too much. A gross overpayment by the Blues.
the return is cap space, so use that 6 mil at the deadline and sign a shut down guy. if you think they can sign both those guys for that money, you and Pete C have something in common.
Mcdavid, Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Bouchard, Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Schaefer,
We've got 2 of our first round picks since McDavid lmao.
Run far away Draisaitl. There's no future in Edmonton