Making and Using Volvo D13 Injector Cup Removal Tools
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- This is a project that was done in the Fall of 2020 for a task I had to perform at the heavy truck shop. We had a Volvo highway tractor with a D13 engine in it which needed injectors and cups, and the commercially available tool did not work. With a bit of scrap metal bits and a lathe, we came up with a solution.
Hope you find it interesting, and as always, thanks for watching!
Everett, I think your boss is lucky to have you as an employee. We are lucky to have you on our screens. Hope the family is doing well.
Thanks Paul, the truck shop is owned by a friend of mine so I like to help him out when I can.
Interesting modification to get out of a tough spot.
Thanks for sharing and stay Safe.
Thanks! It was borrowing ideas from CAT and International, but it worked!
A very intelligent way to solve a problem. Good video. Thanks Everett. Mal
Thanks Mal, I actually used the idea from how International and CAT remove their injectors. It's kind of a meld between the CAT tool and International method where you have to thread the cups.
Great to see you fixing that extractor tool. Oh, my Hyundai Sonata GLS 2.4 4 cylinder engine crashed! My wife was on her way back from Church ( I wasn't feeling well that evening) and the check engine light came on. She was only a couple of miles from home and when she puled in we noticed a noise I was hoping I'd never hear. I've got most stuff unhooked or removed getting ready to pull the head. The cams jumped time for sure and I'll look for the rest of the story (Paul Harvey). Hope to see the new shop set up soon, Greg.
Thanks Greg! Hopefully once you get the head off you don't see too much piston damage, as valves are much easier to replace, lol!
Nice one Everett. You've just proved again that with a little effort you can make life much easier.
Thanks man, we just use what we have on hand. If you don't have the tool, and a new tool would be too pricey (or doesn't work . . .) then make one, lol!
@@EverettsWorkshop Agree with the pricey part. Volvo's are a nice riding truck, but the price of the parts and OEM tools. Ouch!
Best wishes from Northern Manitoba.
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Hi Everett. That tool worked out so well. All the best.
Thanks, it was a mix of ideas from how CAT and International remove the cups from their engines. Hope you're doing well too!
Nice work there. Pulled that cup with ease 👍
Thanks, it's not an original idea to me, I borrowed notes from the CAT and International notebooks for this one
NICE TOOL EVERETT,, WORKS WELL , GOOD WORK. REGARDS RICHARD..
Thanks Richard!
Nice tool Everett. Great improvement over that knurled thing. Take care
Thanks Randy, just borrowed a few notes from the CAT and International notebooks for this one
I give you thumbs up before I finish the video!!!
Lol, thanks, glad you liked it!
Nice Job Everett as always. If you want to reduce your anxiety when threading metric threads there is a way to disengage the half nut and maintain the same location . Disengage when you reach the end, stop the lathe, back up your tool, start lathe in reverse, catch the same number in reverse ( assuming the dial did not go all the way around) then reverse to your start point, VOILA! no crashed inserts.
I've tried that after seeing it done on Abom79 's video and it works nicely, cheers Phil!
Thanks Phil! I only recently heard about this trick, this video was taken in the Fall. Someone said Adam Booth even demonstrated it but I haven't been keeping up on his stuff as much as I'm focusing on trying to catch up on friends' videos after getting behind for a while there.
Very well done there Everett. Great job of tool making.
Thanks Harold, it's a mix of CAT and International tool ideas but it worked, thankfully!
always fun to fabricate useful tooling
I will admit that there is a certain satisfaction in making one's own tools sometimes. There's also the cash savings, but that's if one doesn't count hobby time as work time, lol!
Nice Job Everett. Nice of tools, Home made is the best kind.
Cheers Fred
Thanks Fred, sometimes a custom tool is just the ticket. Especially when the commercial one is ineffective . . .
Great job Everett, better than the commercially available tools
Cheers...Wayne
Thanks Wayne, it is odd that Volvo/Mack don't thread their injector cups like the CAT engines. Too bad as it would have made things much easier!
@@EverettsWorkshop saving time & money on maching costs and disregarding the repair dynamics. my Father was a HD mechanic and he had his share of custom made tools for one off situations
Nice simple design on the cup removal tool. I am jealous about the scrap that you have available through your work. Where I live now there are no scrap yards close by. I didn't know how good I used to have it.
Thanks, I'm just thankful that I have connections and friends with scrap metal bins!
Hi Everett.. Very nice extraction tool to remove the Injector cup. Great video from Start to Finish. Excellent Extraction on the Video. Hope you get your wiring etc done soon
Thanks Ted, glad you liked it. I'm still waiting on permits to even start garage work but once I get the green light I will be using every hour I can get free to work on the shop.
Nice bit of handiwork and film-making too; I recognize enough people in the comments to understand how your channel would get recommended.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for sharing! Pretty slick, Everett!
Thanks Sam, I was glad to have it when I had to change those injectors and cups. We were just surprised at how poor the commercial aftermarket tool was.
@@EverettsWorkshop oh yes I have use most all of then but I haven’t worked on a Volvo engine. I mostly work on caterpillar now our company has had an alliance with them for 20 years now. I spend most of my time replacing external oil tubings.
I wish i could make tools like this. This skill is so useful. Thanks to you
For tools like this, it really is mostly basic lathe turning operations. If you have a lathe then you can do this too, for sure!
Excellent job on this puller!
Thanks! I combined the ideas from CAT and International to put this one together so can't claim originality, lol
Very clever, and great job! I appreciate the "in-action" video.. Your boss has to be thrilled with you Everett.. Thanks for sharing
Thanks, and I do try to get context of what I machine when possible, at least pictures if not video. Glad you liked it!
I second that . Boss must be impressed
It's always great when you can make your own tools to get the job done. Nice work Everett 👍
Thanks Larry, making up special tools and jigs is common in the trades, I'm just thankful to have toys that let me make some tools, lol!
Another Great video Everett. Thanks for sharing, Gary
Thanks Gary! Btw, gotta get a hold of you, now that you have stickers made up, I don't have a bridge picture sticker yet!
@@EverettsWorkshop I have been wanting to send you an email and get your address so I can send you some stickers. I will try to get an email out to you. Gary
Custom extractor hope your boss appreciate your skill set
My buddy who owns the shop and I help each other out in various ways. As he's my friend if I can help him out I like to do so.
Great job and tool
Thank you, it was just something we needed to do at the time to get the truck rolling again in reasonable time
Gday Everrett, another brilliant tool that’s works not like the brought model, very well made, awesome job mate, cheers Matty
Thanks Matty, can't claim originality to the idea as it's similar to how CAT and International cups are pulled but thankful it works!
Nice job Everett. Thanks for sharing your work!
Thank you, glad you are enjoying it!
Brilliant win Everett you've made a superb job of that extractor, that injector cup came out with it's hands up. Great viewing. Tony
Thanks Tony, glad you found it interesting! Hope you're doing well, haven't heard from you in a bit.
@@EverettsWorkshop Hi Everett. I'm still here in the background just too many other things to do at the moment.
Simple and effective! 💪🏼
Hey, it worked and the price (apart from the tap, lol) was right!
I just subscribed, from Michigan will certainly 😀 watching the upcoming episodes. See ya soon...
Thanks Keith, glad you like what you see. Hopefully what I have going on here going forward is interesting for you as well!
Is always nice to see you working and using what you can find to get the job done!
Thanks Robert, I like reused metal. It's free :)
Nice work Everett!
Thanks John!
Beauty! Everett and Steve with Saturday morning coffee, great start to the day.
Love Roling Metal and his pointy bits 😁
Cheers man
Lol, thanks Rick!
You are really creative
Thank you for the kind words, I'm just a home hobbyist. I just hope that what I have been able to share can be of help to someone, even if it's learning from my mistakes! 😁
A portable sand blaster (the type that you stick the hose right into the bag) make a great vaccum when doing that type of work. Cut the hose about 2 feet long and suck the chips out. You can also adapt it down so you can suck fuel and oil out of the cylinders so it doesn’t hydro lock.
Never thought about using a sand blaster, but the shop has one of those air-powered fluid extractor, works on a similar pressure differential idea. As you say, very handy for cleaning liquid schmutz out of cylinders.
Mate that was awesome to watch you making a tool that the pro's never thought about love your work ,,, the way you think outside the box.
Necessity the mother of all invention !!
Thanks Greg, I can't claim credit for the idea though as CAT injector cups are threaded from the factory. Too bad Volvo/Mack didn't follow suit!
12:07 Yes, you can disengage the half-nuts when cutting a metric thread on a lathe with an imperial lead screw. The trick is to stop the lathe after disengaging the half-nuts, preferably BEFORE the thread chasing dial has done a full turn (otherwise, you have to count the turns). Withdraw the threading tool and run the lathe in reverse. Re-engage the half-nuts when the thread chasing dial returns to the number it was on while cutting the thread. This is easiest to remember if you always engage the half-nuts on the same number (say, 1) when cutting metric threads.
You know, I had heard something about that recently (this video was taken last Fall) but have not had a chance to try it yet. That and my new shop is now under construction but when it gets set back up I'm going to try this. A buddy of mine told me about Adam Booth demonstrating it and I will definitely look into it. That would be very handy on this lathe!
@@EverettsWorkshop Sorry, I forgot to mention a crucial point. Don't manually move the carriage while the half-nuts are disengaged. This is the part that requires the most concentration !
well done
Great Job, very interesting
Thanks Jim, this was just one of those things that we needed to do to get the truck running, glad you enjoyed it!
Another succesfull job.
Thanks, it was kind of crude but it works!
Nice design and execution. Good to see the old shop. Thanks for sharing
Thanks, it's a mix of CAT and International cup removal techniques, adapted t Volvo/Mack, just too bad that they didn't make the original tool like this style.
Yep getting anything on time through the post is not going to happen. It is a mess right now. Glad you were able to help boss man out.
Isn't it though? Here in Canada they are blaming COVID, but at times service was spotty before all of this . . . it's just nuts when the regular mainline suppliers are unable to fill orders in time.
Worked great . That is the same way we get the Cat one's out . Cheers .
Thanks Max, isn't it a shame Volvo/Mack don't thread them from the factory like CAT does? Would have made it much easier!
Nice work man!
This was a good idea, looks like that has had sleeves before if they are stainless
Thanks Dean, it wasn't fancy but it worked. If I could find a tap that was a closer size I would use that instead but it was the closest I could get here in reasonable time.
As for stainless cups, I know they had the brass version and the stainless version but we don't work on a lot of Volvo/Mack engines to be able to compare.
Well done!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Well done.
Thank you!
LOL STEP #1 BUY NEW TOOL. STEP #2 PUT NEW TOOL IN TRASH. STEP#3 MAKE GOOD TOOL . LUV UR VIDS
Lol, thanks Mike! To be fair to the tool company, the installation/swaging tool did work correctly!
Your employer is lucky to have you and that you have the equipment to do these jobs.
Thanks, he was my friend before I worked for him so I like to help him out when possible. Stuff like this helps save a few bucks for his company.
Once again you have done a awesome job building a successful tool to do the job at hand. I to have saved those pieces cut from brake chambers to use for various projects. Bravo and good job well done. I can’t wait to see your next project and congratulations on your new home and shop space!!
Thanks Kevin! Those threaded rods are so handy - a lot of imported specialty puller type tools use that thread too so the rods come in handy for cobbling up one-off tooling.
It's so satisfying to watch a master at work, another great video Everett.
Lol, well, thank you for the compliment but I can't really claim the title of "master" at this point . . . Having fun with being able to use the hobby for real world work too though!
@@EverettsWorkshop Well you've mastered what we 'hobbyists would all love to do, enjoy ourselves doing the thing we love whilst making it purposeful and making a bit of money to fund it... sounds Masterful to me... keep the videos coming Everett!
Glyn in England.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Craig!
Enjoyed watching the turning-facing-threading to make a creative tool Nice Job!
Thanks Andrew, I borrowed notes from the CAT and International notebooks as the CAT ones are already threaded and use a tool that has some similarities, and on the old D- and DT-series Internationals you have to thread the copper cups for a slide hammer fitting.
Thank you.
Thanks for coming by again Don!
Nice work I always enjoy your video
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Patent Pending I hope , Nice job !
Lol, I wish - this is a meld of the way CAT and International remove their injectors, so I have a suspicion that the patent is already held. Thank you though!
Don't you just love it when it all works out.. And you end up with a tool will keep working.....
Yeah, the idea is sound as CAT has used it for years, but just seems odd that Volvo does not thread their injector cups too.
Thanks for the video.
Thank you for wanting to come by, glad you could enjoy it!
Great Job Everett. Great video. Excellent ideas. Great machining. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Donald, glad you liked it!
I am Impressed at the work you did its amazing job to be able to do all that! i wish i could do that , the kit your using is not original and they suck at pulling the cups out i bouhgt one as well and had same problem you are , oem ones work great but they cost alot! i had to find a way to do it before i bought the tool , so i used the volvo d12 tool where it taps the cup to pull out , i used that on d13 and have no issue pulling them out i put grease on the end and tap it and comes right out!
Thanks Emir, we just had to get the job done one way or another without losing our profit margin on a tool that we won't use often (we mostly see CAT, Cummins, and Detroit engines). Good to know the D12 tool works though, I'll have to look at those to compare.
Dealing with the same issue using the aftermarket puller. Wish I bit the bullet and bought the oem set after wasting the whole day unsuccessfully.
Very cool very good job
Thank you!
Awesome job adapting to pull the injectors it was nice to see a video from you keep up the great work see you the next time
Thanks Dave!
Awesome, job Mr. Everett. Thanks for sharing! I always enjoy!!!
Thanks Danny!
With my luck, Id break the tap off in the cup..or cut through the cup and ruin the head...(:
NICE tool BUILD JOB!
Lol, thanks! Thankfully there is a lot of forgiveness on both accounts for this one - the only thing I could see being a hangup with the tap is the cup starting to spin in the bore but at that point you've got it part way loose and it should be easier to pull.
Thanks for the video Everett, keep them coming when you can.
Thanks for still wanting to come by, sometimes it's few and far between, lol
great work Everett ! I need to make a vid on the tools I have made for my new lathe . Most of them started life as a car axle or CV axle . That tool worked out SWEET ! Sure ENJOYED , Thanks man..
Thanks Shawn! And yes, reused auto/truck parts are a great cheap metal source, they tend to be decent material too. I use autoscraptonium as much as possible, lol!
Nice! You should patent that 😊. There are a few tools out there that sometimes work but most of the time don't lol. Your method is pretty much a guarantee 😁👍. I was pretty surprised too when that tap actually tapped. That almost never works for me 🤣. Well done, Everett. Cheers!
Thanks Chris, can't claim the patent to this one though, lol - it was a meld of CAT and International tooling ideas, but it worked. Just too bad that Volvo/Mack don't thread their cups at the factory like CAT does. Maybe it's a patent issue.
Scraptonium, eh? I used to say easy-obtanium or easily-obtanium.
Very nice tool set. Looks like it works well.
Thanks! The term "easily-obtainium" works, I was just thinking of Rolingmetal when filming this one
Nice one!
Thanks Mats, just borrowed the idea from CAT engines, but at least CAT injector cups are already threaded . . .
great job Everett as always
Thanks Tom!
A sign of intelligence, see a problem and create a solution. 👍
Thanks Chris, but I can't claim originality to the idea - I really should have mentioned that it's a mix of how CAT and International remove their injector cups. Thankfully it works though!
@@EverettsWorkshop most things are based on previous ideas, an intelligent person knows how to solve problems based on his prior knowledge and some inspiration.
Another good one!
Thanks man!
Nice job Everett, beautiful finish work as well. I would suggest getting a thrust bearing to replace the two washers, it might be nice if you get a real stubborn injector body. Also, in my shop I have started to use cold bluing on some of the parts I make just for a different look. Enjoyed the video very much, be well and cheers!
Thanks Howie, hadn't thought about the thrust bearing idea but if the shop ever needs to do another set of Volvo/Mack injectors it's certainly a thought. I have only blued a few tools so far, more out of just not getting to it. Blued up some gun parts a few years ago but my bluing solution has gone bad, might have to get more once the shop is going again.
@@EverettsWorkshop I made one of those scissor jacks for my Harley and it was tough to lift the bike, but adding the thrust bearing made all the difference in the world when the pulling gets heavy. Congrats on the subs and the move and the kids and job, you are probably as busy as you have ever been, just keep the balance between it all and life happens.
great idea mate nice to watch
Thanks Leroy!
thanks bud interesting
Thanks Robbie, glad you liked it!
Buy the oem Volvo tool. Pulls them with ease
Really interesting as always, thank you.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Hello Everett,
Great work... I must admit after the introduction I was thinking how is he going to shop the chips going into the bore when he tapes the thread in the injector cup... then relief when you put the little plug in before the tapping, sorry for doubting you. See you on the next one...
Take care.
Paul,,
Thanks Paul! No worries about doubting me, I doubt myself a lot of the time, lol! Yeah, we try to keep as much of the metal shaving crap out of engines as much as possible. They don't really like it :P
Good video
Thanks Ed!
Slick!
Thanks!
Is it common to raise the tool height when doing ID chamfers. Very good job enjoy the video and the whole thought process
Usually doing an inside chamfer , you just raise the tool to cheat and get clearance as the radius sometimes interferes with the cutter. I really like the projects Everett gets around to, he is a real innovator and a very skilled hobbyist.
Thanks Kimber, I'm not sure if the raised tool for the small chamfer is a common practice but I just cheat a bit out of laziness sometimes, lol!
Lol, thanks Howie, but I'm just a guy messing around in my garage, like a lot of us, I'm just crazy enough to take footage of my trial and error . . .
Greetings,
I just found your channel. This is the first of your videos I’ve seen.
I’m pleased to have found it, my interests don’t normally include heavy machinery, but I like what I’m seeing.
Your narration is well paced and clear, and the camera work is very good.
I intend to follow you for a while, and check out some of your other videos.
Just thought you’d like to know that my initial impressions are good.
Let’s be careful out there.
Thank you James, I appreciate the kind words. I'm still just a hobbyist, sometimes miss something editing, and even sometimes plain lose footage or mess up focus, but I'm glad that you are enjoying what you see. It really is just me messing around in my garage like I would be anyway, just with a camera on, lol!
Good job Everett, how could the toolmaker of the puller ever think that the knurl would bite into the stainles cup and pull it out with the force needed.
Honestly I don't know what the tool manufacturer was thinking, maybe it was an attempt to deal with non-threaded cups. CAT threads theirs, they are so much easier to deal with, and that's the basic premise I used to put this one together.
Won't you end up with a lot of swarf, from the threading operation, inside the cylinder head? Got the answer near the end of the video :)
Impressive that you managed to cut a thread, by hand, with that bit tap. I tried that with a 1 inch tap but could not do it.
Thanks, it only needs a few threads for the tool to grab properly, but yes the stainless is a bit of a workout to get threads into it. As for the little plastic plugs, I'm such a pack rat that I save little cap bits like that.
Btw, I used your "scraptonium" term, hope you're ok with it :)
Hi Everett nice tool you made, better than the "official" tool. Does the new part just fit in with the new injector, I guess the swage part is not important.
Thanks Eric! No, there is a special tool for installation and swaging of the new injector cups after sealant and o-rings are applied. The installation tool is used to swage the end of the cup into the injector hole in the combustion chamber, but at least the commercial tool worked for that part.
what lathe do you have & is it 3 phase? I've been looking for some time & all I come across is junk or incomplete, I enjoy your vids, learn more watching you than all the others! thanks again
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words, and I'm glad you like the videos. I have a King Canada KC1236ML lathe, it's a pretty run-of-the-mill 12x36 import machine, 240V single phase motor. It's had a few quirks, and still has a couple things I need to sort, but as there is a lack of good used equipment in my area that will fit in a garage, it was the choice I made.
Great tool, just what i need right now! Is there a way i could have you lend this to me?! I purchased the other tool you were showing earlier in the video but doesn’t work and now i am stuck!
weel done ...can you show how to install
Nice job - and I see the "no filming at work" rule is less of rule than it used to be.
Were the heavily skewed cuts on the blue-painted-steel bar due to holding issues in the bandsaw vice?
Thanks Paul! The no-filming thing wasn't really a rule like Motion came down on Adam Booth with before he quit, but more just trying to be respectful of how when you do a task and video it, it takes 2-3 times as long. When I'm on someone else's dime I don't take that lightly. And the cockeyed bar end was due to holding the short stubby rod in the bandsaw - it wasn't held as square as I thought it was but that's what facing is for, lol!
G’day Everett. The original tool had merit but didn’t allow for 200,000ks of engine life holding on, this design appears better, well done making the tool. Looks like the tap needs a large T handle though, I was waiting for you to scrape your knuckles, or was it just the camera angle ??
Cheers
Peter
Thanks Peter, the T handle idea is a good one to add to the kit - and you are right, I almost scraped knuckles a few times on the valve springs. An open end wrench/spanner is all I had at the time.
I hope you put that up for sale!
I haven't, we just used it to get that D13 done and out the door. The tool kit is now in the shop specialty tool cabinet for future use though.
👍👍
Thank you!
Much better cup removal tool all around. I wonder if the tool mfg. didn't bother to harden the tool after knurling?
Thanks! Yes, I wonder about the quality of that tool manufacturer now, but biting into a piece of stainless would be a challenge even with a good quality tool. Honestly would have been easier if Volvo/Mack would thread their cups from the factory like CAT does!
@@EverettsWorkshop After reading some comments, I bet it won't be long before you see this very tool on the market. I think you should put your contact info (or make a new one for jobs) in the description. Have a with and without tap kit price ready for someone that wants one from you they've already seen work. Not everyone has access to a lathe or able to pay machine shop prices for a one off job.
👍😎
Thanks Doug!
This is same tools for D7 volvo?
That made the job easy!! Nice one! How is the move going? Hope you and the family are doing well. Cheers
Thanks Yves, thankfully the tool worked well for what it needed to do. We're doing ok, as for the shop just waiting on permits before work can begin. Once they arrive it will be as much time as I can get working on getting the shop set up.
That’s swage new cup in?
Sold!!! I'll take 2!
Sub'd! Liked! And here's my comment!
Lol, not that I wouldn't make you one, but I don't have a functional shop at the moment. Still building out my new garage. Glad you like what had been going on before we moved, hopefully you'll like what I can do once the shop is going again too!
Nice work bud!It’s nice to get projects like that for work. Do you typically do them after hours,or come home during the day to get them done?
Thanks! Depends on the job, I had some taken home to do in the evenings, and some were during work days as we NEEDED the part ASAP on those jobs. It's always fun to get to play on one's toys and even get paid for it by being on the clock! :)
If the cups are swaged, how do you swage the replaced cups?
And if you do not, why are they swaged in the first place?
There is a special installation tool that has a swaging pit as part of the tool. From what I understand, the tips are swaged to get a better compression seal to the head but then again I am not sure what the Volvo/Mack engineers think at times . . . lol