Zilla Cabs EVM12L VS EVM Black Label Shootout.
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- We decided to set the EVM 12L standard and Black Label speakers against each other, in a pair of TL806 Thiele ported 1x12 cabs and got some really surprising results.
We have a lot of customers asking us to build custom design cabs around their EV speakers so when an EVM12L and Black Label EV were in the workshop at the same time we couldn't resist but make a video. We hope you enjoy the outcome.
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So good
By Fluff Himself ! Nice !
Thanks mate! That means a lot.
dude, come on, this is get old
Came for the speakers, stayed for the playing.....Those were some sweet tones!
So, Classic or BL?
I listened to this every night for about a month. Electrovoice should be paying you for making this video.
haha thanks for that, that is very kind. Last time I tried to talk to them they wouldn't even respond ;)
@@ZillaCabs That's surprising. I e-mailed them and got an answer back pretty fast a couple years ago. Somebody probably just dropped the ball.
black label sounds like it has a bit of v30 blended in. not what i was expecting, great shootout!
Just lovely tones. Classic for me, but just really nice playing. Needed this today - thanks 🙂
Beautiful playing, too!
Glad you think so! Thanks for watching.
Got an EVM12L in a trade. Installed it in my Rivera fifty five combo to replace that 85W white back celestion. What a remarkable difference the EVM made.
It's a really cool speaker, and relatively hard/expensive to get hold of these days. it's always worth having one about.
oh man...this reminds me of what I was playing in the late 80s early 90s. The EV12L just doesn't get in the way- such a great all rounder!
Yeah I get you there. I actually like a low powered speaker that colours the sound but the 12L is such a great speaker I always love plugging it in... its just one of those pieces of kit that sounds so good you can use it for anything. Thanks for watching and for the feedback.
Nice work. The classic is for me, thanks.
Glad you like it. Thanks.
EVM12L is a monster! Had a Boogie MkIIc with one, and that amp was LOUD! EV could anything you threw at it.
Great demo! Shows the awesome clarity of these speakers. They are really good sounding, but they are seriously HEAVY. loading a cab with one will increase its weight significantly. That Boogie weighed 60+ pounds
haha I see you are quite a fan of EV's, they are a great speaker, watch out for a video we have coming up in a few months, it's going to be a Lonestar loaded with a pair of EVs... and yeah you're right, they are damn heavy things.
I have a mid-80's Boogie and with the EVM12L it weighs well over 70 lbs. So what do I do. I add a road case. Now it weighs over 90. YA. But it's wood and wicker so gotta protect it. P.S.Ooh ya forgot to mention I also own a Twin and the Boogie is heavier. 2-12's and bigger but just a little lighter
What do y’all think about jbl d120
Grey or orange baskets
I love them in the fender twin
But damn it’s heavy
Worried about blowing them too
It’s a 135 watt head and run the power section pretty wide open
Between 5 and 8
And set channel gain up to around 3 or so
It’s crazy transients but paired with a mid forward smaller tweed style in stereo or wet/dry is amazing
Both sound very good.
thanks
Great Demo, Thank you. The BL was so smooth. Too Smooth? I cant tell but but on this recording I really liked the sound.
Thanks Earl. The BL was a lot smoother than I thought too.... almost greenback like in certain ways (except power and the way it stayed a lot more consistent). Thanks for watching.
I hope you take another Black label demo for high gain:)
Definitely, that was a mistake not doing some higher gain takes. This was one of our first videos. I can't wait for another one to come in.
@@ZillaCabs Same here. Waited for the high gain. Have you made a high gain version of this video?
Both sound great. I would go with black label for those sweet leads or blend them in a 412.
Sounds killer
Thanks
I have the black label. I love it combined with a v30. Very good video and cool tunes guys!
Thanks Robert. When searching through a few videos I noticed that combination cropped up a few times. I think it would be really interesting as I personally found a few greenback like qualities in the BL speaker.
Does the EV over power the v30? I guess the both have a 100db sensitivity.
@@ScottFuckinRitchie Hi! No problem at all. They mix very well. In a while Im gonna pair it (just for fun) with a Creamback 75, a G12T-75 and a greenback. Right now they are fixed in a Laboga mr Hector open back cabinet. Sounds full. But it can get loud and massive when cranked. See it like The Rock in a suit! ;-)
Finally figured out how to word what I think. I love the bass and bass response of the Classic way better then the Black Label but love everything else about the Black Label more.
Too bad there isn't a way to get the low-end of the Classic but with the smooth rounded highs and mids of the Black Label.
The bass response of the Classic isn't as neutral as the Black Label, it has a mild hump in the low mids, maybe the lack of linearity makes it sound better. The bass response of Black Label is almost linear and clean like a PA speaker. Then again the Black Label is a reissue of old EVM12L Pro-Line speakers.
Back in the 80s when Electro-Voice designed the Pro-Line speakers they designed them to be more neutral and to have more headroom than the Series II speakers. The EVM12L Classic is the re-issue of EVM12L Series II speakers. Since the Black Label is the EVM12L Pro-Line re-issue it sounds more linear and neutral than the EVM12L Classic.
The answer is to get both
Can you make a video showing the pros and cons of other speakers in a thiele cab? I have an Avatar thiele cab and a mesa thiele. I have about a dozen different speakers from varuous amps and cabs. They all sound good. I'm curious to know what I am missing by not buying an EV. Thanks for all the videos!
great video sir :). i got a lil to add....you are gonna kill me but there are car boxes for a 1x12 w/ the thiele port..... i just bought two on ebay for 60 each shipped...brand new...... they r not as nice as your handbuilt ones but they r made from 1 inch mdf and r solid......... one other comment...... i have owned Peavey 4x12f's that have 2 ports, top n bottom!!!!! huge 4x12's with 4 125 watt Rolas from early 70's....... they r not that bassy.... u can eq the boom out and you r left w/ a pretty HUGE sound :). cheers Zilla :)
You'll always be able to buy stuff cheap. Materials alone cost us way over £60 on these cabs. I imagine they are made in China, they have over 2 million slaves working for them and most of the population working in horrendous conditions, we pay good rates of pay and pensions for our staff.
NICE!
Still a rather hard choice here.
I mean, do lean towards BL one especially for some glassy, grand piano-like vibes at the top range, giving more of that atmospheric feel. Though, I’m more than confident, I’d be 100% fulfilling my ego with the Classic version))
I love, and although we don't stoc them ourselves I have three of the 12L's.... I think in this cab I did lean towards the BL speaker. They are both great speakers... thanks for dropping by and checking out the video.
Zilla Cabs, thank you for shooting such content with quality in mind. Not so much of this thiele concept legacy here on CZcams I’ve stumbled into lately. Looking forward for more of these vids. Higher gain evm mentioned here earlier would be much of interest;)
@@kuzWich yeah that is a must, I am working on that right away....
@@ZillaCabs loved sounds off both!
Hmm. I like them better here than in other demos. They sound amazing. Is it the cab? Lovely playing too.
Thanks glad you like it.
The black label sounded really creamy. I just might have to pick up a quad now
300 each man
Yeah I thought it had a real warmth to it, sort of greenback like (funny for a 300W speaker)... they are super heavy and expensive though. Thanks for watching.
pick up a quad
Better put on your weightlifting belt!
Amazing! All your videos are really great and helpful, than you very much for that. I have a question: How would you compare this speakers to the Celestion Cream Alnico? I would really appreciate your insights since i have no way to try them in my town before buying. Thank you very much in advance.
Hi Felipe, the EVM12L is a cleaner more precise sound, the Alnico cream brings in more warmth and colour in to the sound. What kind of stuff are you playing? They are both great speakers.
@@ZillaCabs Thank you very much for the reply! I'm playing a mix of John Mayer/SRV style blues and Richie Kotzen/The Winery Dogs rock. I know that Kotzen uses Vintage 30 speakers, but i just find them too harsh, that's why i thought of the alnico cream maybe as a good alternative too.
Even though the EVM-BL had more bass and less high end it seemed more rounded and was more defined which may be due to the higher headroom.
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
My dream..... A TL806 cab designed around the Greenback. 1960AG sound in a 112 size. Hnnnnnng!
That sounds really interesting. As it goes we found some really pleasing greenback like qualities in the black label speaker, and although the TL806 wasn't designed for that particular speaker, it was sounding really cool.
Can't beat the EVM12L if you like headroom, clarity, & being able to hear not just the notes clearly, but the tonal range as well. That said, it will expose how good your technique is. I have 8 of the older original EVM12Ls. I don't like the the classic compared to them though. And I still prefer my old greenbacks for low wattage amps where I'm trying to get overdrive from the power tubes. That sound needs a speaker that will break up quickly. The EVM12L will not.
The Classic is crisper the Black Label is softer flubbier but either would be wonderful but the Classic is for me...
What Lesley effect is used at 7:00? It sounds great.
I lean more to the EV classic here. It adds more musical character. You can always blend the speaker with something else to get the top end clarity in the room or recorded if desired. I didn’t think the BL really sounded all that inspiring - very linear with hint of top end detail but flat everywhere else.
I thought it was tremolo, but I'd like to know more about the entire signal chain too, as that tone at the end is fantastic.
Hi, it sounds wonderful. I'm looking for a small cabinet for my Celestion F12-x200. Do you think this cabinet would be a good option for me? I mostly play jazz clean or slight overdriven. How much would the cabinet cost?
Hi Attila, thanks for the kind words there. This cab was really just designed for the EVM12L but we make the open source Celestion design cab for the X200, the size is similar, or at least the overall volume is somewhere similar(ish) and that cab was designed specifically for the X200. If you search through our videos we have done a couple of X200 videos, one of which features that cabinet. They are £320 unloaded.
in your opinion. Is or isn't the 300 watt EV12L Black label speaker too big to use in the studio? I think 300 watts need more volume power to make the speaker move and vibrate correctly. While a speaker like a Vintage 30 Celestion should be more manageable as it is more easily stimulated. What do you think?
Do pine cabs sound good w/ overdrive?
Great clean sounds!! I’m wondering if they get too harsh with an open back
I really like them in an open back. We'll have to do a video on it.
I have a Mesa Boogie Thiele 1x12 and a Mesa open back 1x12. Both loaded with EVM12Ls. I like the open back for clean sounds as it let's the sound breath a bit more. Also, anything Fender related, the open back compliments it well. Mine is noticeably louder and brighter than my closed back. Speaking of which, the closed back is very punchy and a bit boxy, but the more you crank it, the less the latter seems to be an issue. In the Thiele, there is definitely a high end roll off, but it compliments bright amps well. You can't go wrong either way, just have to take note of which setup is most appropriate for your rig. Once you go EV, it is hard (at least for me) to go to any other speaker. Hope this helps, take care.
I have both setups, and IMHO, open back doesn´t work with distorted/ high gain sounds. Too harsh, but with cleans not so bad... I definitely would go for the thiele cab.
The larger the coil, the less treble you get. Thats the tradeoff with the Black Label version. I prefer the standard 12L.
100% classic
Thanks William
Really having a tuff time deciding between the Evm12L and the celestin 12-65 I will be running a 2x12 cab with a D style amp.
The classic is more detailed, where the black label is more muted.
I had the original 12L (now the 'classic') rated at 200w RMS in a Sonic 1x12 cabinet. Problem was I had a Galien Krueger 250w RMS guitar head from the 70s. Then my son (the catalyst) blew out the EV coil cranking it. So now I've decided to replace it with the 300w RMS 'Black Label'. $300 hurts for play money though. I think it'll sound nice with my '62 reissue Mary Kaye Strat. After I fix the scalloped end of the nut slot on the headstock he blew out changing the nut!
the Black Label sounds more scooped, but i think it's due to the nature of being Zakk Wylde's sig Speaker.
No, it's because the Black Label is a re-issue of the 300-watt Pro-Line EVM12L.
Unlike EVM12L Classic which is a re-issue of EVM12L Series II the Pro-Line was never meant for musical instruments. It was meant for usage in PA systems. Zakk used it because that's what he had.
It doesn't have a scooped mid-range, its mid-range is neutral like a PA speaker. The EVM12L Classic on the other hand has its mid-range voiced for usage with musical instruments.
BLS EVM seems to be slightly more bassy with less high end
It is harder to appreciate on youtube but yeah that it. The BLS actually had a hint of greenback in there which really surprised me, but that said the cab was design for the 12L rather than BLS. I just saw your stuff the other, it looks really cool, I wish I had known about you when I was in Raleigh a few years back.
@@ZillaCabs EVM12L vs. Organic Timbre shootout?
@@organictimbre8232 let's get it sorted. I would love that.
@@ZillaCabs I sent an email to the email listed on your website.
To my taste you can't use the black lable EVM for clean sounds. For Metal the scooped frequency may be adequate.
What amp did you use?
It sounds like a Laney VC15 to me with the internal speaker bypassed. I didn't realise we hadn't stated that in the description. I will double check for you.
BL EV was a tad bit warmer with more character in the highs. Tad bit less sterile.
Yeah I think that's where I was with it too. I was really surprised in the Black Label.
What type of magnets are in these ev speakers?
They have a ceramic/ferrite magnet, so like most speakers. I just looked on their spec sheet to double check for you and they don't seem to mention it but I have alwasy known them to be a ceramic magnet.... the magnets are massive too, absolutely huge.
@@ZillaCabs Ceramic is correct and heavy as hell.
Ooh, I need a Thiele Cab for an EvM-12L. How much?
Thanks Mark. We have been doing those cabs for £325. They aren't big cabs but technically quite hard to make (loads of bits to them).
@@ZillaCabs I’d love to try one either-12L
I like the classic better
I know what you mean, I loved them both but you just can't beat the classic.
why is there no impulse response for the black label speaker ANYWHERE...would pay for it....i dont think the ggd zilla pack has the black labels either :(
HI Mike, in all honesty it's quite a rare speaker, really expensive and not one that comes up much. I don't think I had any EV speakers around for the GGD session. Maybe one needs to be done.
@@ZillaCabs please?
Does anyone really need a 300W speaker? I've got the 200W in my Mark IV and it's just painful, both for my ears and my back. Wonderful speaker though. This cab sounds awesome!
I put it down to clean head room, so you probably wont use the power but the speaker should work in a more uniform way through your volume changes. They do sound great in a Mark iv... but you know what, so does a neo creamback ;) ... when it comes to it though, if you want that EV sound, nothing else will do it.
@@ZillaCabs Do you make Thiele cabs with figured Bubinga if you can source the wood?
The guy who owns the ZW speaker is not going to enjoy hearing this video ...
Ain't no lie there, time to try and sell my ZW- i figured a 12L was a 12L;wrong.
BL version sounds too ice picky… Classic is smoother on top end
In the room I found the BL was a lot warmer than I expected. Thanks for watching.
What no metal riff? Why do yal hate metal?
We're going to do a version of this video with bigger riffs..... we love a bit of metal, in fact heavier stuff is our go to as players, maybe we are a bit too concious of that in this video and missed it out.Thanks for watching.
That's a 1x12 bass cab.
It a bass reflex cab but that refers to boost in the low frequency like most ported 1x12 cabs. The 12L is a guitar speaker, it was used for bass in the past but that was mostly because there weren't that many decent bass speakers on the market, and the TL806 was specifically designed for the 12L. I hope this helps.
If you look at the plans for the TL806, the F3 is 83 Hz in the normal mode. If you build it with the partial port cover (known as the step down mode) the F3 is down to 53 Hz but you have to boost low end by 6 dB.
In the normal mode they sound pretty good for bass, but the low end is lacking. The EV mids are yummy though!
not really impressed by either speaker..300.00 ea figure they would sound better..too flabby
They aren't for everyone, I'm normally more more into speakers that colour the sound a bit more. Maybe you would prefer them in an open back cab. That EV designed cab is pretty small. They do cost a lot of money, that is for sure. They are a big speaker but yeah they are on the high side. Thanks for listening.
@@ZillaCabs can you give some examples? I’d love to find a good between of the two. I wish the bl would break up a little more but I guess it would at higher volume?