Fedora with KDE by default? XZ backdoor fallout, German state moves to Linux
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00:00 Intro
00:33 Sponsor: Tuxedo Computers
01:34 A proposal for Fedora to leave GNOME for KDE
04:21 XZ backdoor repercussions
07:53 German state moves to Linux & FOSS
09:49 Mint 22 shakes things up
11:42 AMD will open source more docs and code
12:54 Exchange in Thunderbird & Snap package
15:3 Support the channel
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A proposal for Fedora to leave GNOME for KDE
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XZ backdoor repercussions
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German state moves to Linux & FOSS
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Germany wants to secure right to encryption
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Mint 22 shakes things up
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www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/l...
AMD will open source more docs and code
www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Mor...
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Where are you buddy. Long time no seem missing ya
German States switching to Linux (and Back) is almost a meme at this point. Every once in a while on tries to and a couple years later they go back claiming Linux not modern enough and unsupported and it turns out they haven't updated it at all and still used something like SUSE 9
it makes me so sad every time
for those who don't know the dates, suse 9 is from late 2003 (October 2003 to be exact)
@@aceae4210So bascially Windows XP / Windows Server 2003 in terms of age. Wow, what a half assed attempt, at best...
Sounds like Korean government decision making process! We do the same thing with Linux too. Go back and forth all the time.
I personally think it will be static this time, Linux has improved leaps and bounds from just a few years ago, it'll be highly unlikely they switch back again
Just some casual conspiracy theory:
Munich changed back to Windows after using Linux since 2006. Not because it hadn't worked out for them, but because Microsoft moved their europe headquarter to Munich. Also the leading official of the city / capitol of the state is the sister of a women in a leading position at Microsoft.
I don't think that's a Conspiracy Theory as much as a realistic view of how capitalism and corporations work.
it's not as conspiratorial as you think.
a Bündniss 90 politician had also a voice in that with "Der Pinguin muss weg"
@@Reliktish The funny thing is: The newly elected rot-grüne Stadtregierung stated, they would go back to open source. They did not, but quite the opposite.
One could say that shows a pattern how "die Grünen" act, as a pacifist party that LOVES war, an anti-CO2 party that LOVES LMG gas and an anti nuclear energy party that calls nuclear energy environment friendly.
@@Thorned_Rose
>its le capitalism
it would be more effective to use Foss as its basically free and more secure. That has nothing to do with capitalism. its just blatant corruption. If they were actually working by capitalist profit intensives they would use Linux just like literally every major cooperation does. Windows is literally just a IT to Normal Employee translation layer. If Linux can mimic the appearance and functions of windows, windows is basically useless. It literally only exists because of people who don't want to learn anything else
I think the main problem when public institutions attempt to switch to FOSS is that they only do so as a cost-saving measure. But the main benefit for them would actually be that it gives them more flexibility to tailor the software to their needs. I think if they spent at least part of the saved license fees on developers who can contribute missing features upstream, projects like this would have a much higher success rate. They could also collaborate with similar institutions on specialized Linux distros, since there has to be a lot of overlap in the features they need. In other words, I think they'd have to change their approach from being just customers towards active participation in the ecosystem. Then they can actually realize the potential of FOSS for their usecase and then these problems would have more staying power.
At least in this case, data ownership seems to be a motivating factor since a court said that the European Commission's use of M365 fell afoul of European data protection laws.
And the added benefit of paying for developers instead of license fees: the value stays in the country. The developers spend their salaries at home, pay their taxes at home and improve the product in a way most well-tailored to the customers'/users' needs. M$ license fees just go to a giant, tax-evading foreign monopolist that can always dictate the rules.
None of these administrative institutions need that flexibility. In fact, it's the opposite. They don't want it, because flexibility always comes at the cost of complexity. What they want is standardization, consistency, stability and reliability.
They just want the OS to get out of the way and never think about it, and Linux not doing that is why it constantly fails on the desktop. The Linux community simply doesn't have that mindset.
The people who care about flexibility are technical people and tinkerers. They don't work in government institutions.
I'm from Kiel, the state capitol of Schleswig-Holstein. On the one hand I love that switch. On the other hand, after Munich switched to Linux, Microsoft moved their german HQ to Munich. Munich has since switched back to Windows. I don't want Microsoft Germany's HQ in my hometown. 😅
I don't know. Switch to Linux and you'll see big investments from a big tech company in your state might make for a very good pitch to make to politicians.
It's funny that the post above you mentions the exact same thing but also included some sister links between a leading official of the city/capitol and a leading position at Microsoft.
@@Silverflame1 r/whooosh
that's his whole point, he's ironically referring to that
It is well known that the mayor of Munich offered Microsoft a brilliant square of building plot to move their headquarters from the ourskirts to downtown and offered tax reductions. Microsoft reacted with a nice rebate on their products - and accepted the generous offer. It was nothing else that the biggest corruption case in Germany in the recent 10 years - but hardly anybody complained or even noticed.
Pure corruption on highest level. And the press was as silent as I have never noticed before.
German should support homegrown SUSE Linux, give those good folks some grants and keep them in peak conditions for years to come. Needs less dependencies on USA Big Tech.
Been saying that for years, absolutely agree. Can't stop the Suse! 👍🏻 🍻 Suse and maybe also Manjaro and Tuxedo. All three based in Germany.
@@Alexander-ix2jp Tuxedo and SUSE are both great choices, but they should stay far away from Manjaro.
I think Debian should be the best choice for a government
Some time ago I've temporarily tried SUSE out of curiosity and i must say it is REALLY polished. For non tech users it's definitely very usable distro which handles nearly everything through a GUI. It even setup nvidia prime on my old laptop completely automatically(it's really old nvidia + intel gpu so prime is a huge pain to setup actually)
I know it has a practically zero chance of happening, but NixOS would be an interesting choice, assuming it's properly configured.
Easy deployment, automatic installation of any necessary software, easy resets, etc.
More EU countries should follow suit. Less American dependency the better.
Also the fact that they don't just switch the dependency to a European provider but instead get rid of that dependency altogether, since they can contract *anyone* with maintenance and feature development on the existing codebase. Unlike Windows where you can't just ask another company to do that for you from now on.
Even the US would benefit from less American big tech dependency
Fucking drives me nuts when I try to do something as simple as quick printing a few documents on a computer at work and Windows decides the best course of action is opening up a separate MS Office instance for every single document, crashing the computer.
It's always weird when some company or state warns to use Chinese products, but don't you dare not using propriatary American software
It's not that it's American, it's that it's predatory. I've been looking at backup apps for Windows recently, and they're pretty much all encrypted by default. Sure, it's security; but it also means that you can't access them without the program. Same with cloud storage. Kind of mild ransomware. It looks like Stallman was right.
somehow I see this turn into Chinese dependency in a decade or less, as per usual
The fact that Plasma switch proposal was submitted on 1st April by the budgie lead is hillarious, Joshua even posted that even tho it looks very much like a joke - it isn't
Joshua needs to go away and never propose anything again.
Google used to propose genuinely radical policy changes on or near April 1st, in addition to the obvious jokes they would post. . .
... where does a wise man hide a leaf...
The good thing about Schleswig-Holstein moving, is that they're part of a bigger alliance for government IT, shared between Lower Saxony, Bremen, Hamburg, themselves and also Mecklenburg Vorpommern; So this could be the beginning of the entire north of Germany moving if it goes right;
Lets hope that this goes better than LiMux.
@@CathrineMacNiel Munich switched back to Microsoft, after Microsoft moved their European Headquarter to Munich…
👍🏻 let's do this
German State should use openSuse (it is german made after all) and contribute to it or Suse Enterprise.
That XZ thing was a blessing indisguise, I guess. Evereyone's now double checking their submissions.
Jia Tan, is that you?
The xz exploit was successful not just because of trust they built for 3 years, the code was still checked but the backdoor was so masterly hidden it's honestly insanely smart. You need to be a big brain low level coder to at least grasp it even after it was revealed, but even for a very experienced person catching it during a code review is nearly impossible, especially because every single pull request by itself is technically harmless and doesn't really have anything that would by itself enable backdoor. However different changes throughout the year have enabled this multi-step backdoor. You certainly don't look at the code that looks completely safe and think "ohhh wait that 2-years old small change could be used to turn this change into something dangerous and unsafe"
The XZ exploit is as sophisticated as exploits from the NSA.😇
Also, it wasn't even in the main source code. It was in a binary incorporated to the make script. The only way it was found was encountering the issue, then tracing back, not by direct code review.
OnenSource: 1 second slow-down noticed in someone's stack, they trace back the cause, find cleverly hidden exploit. 🌟
ClosedSource: 1 second slow-down noticed in the stack, whelp that's just the nature of modern software. Whatchagonnado? 🤷
@vikiai4241 Yes. But also it was discovered by Microsoft. Task failed successfully.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 But also it was discovered during testing postgresql builds. That's a win
The last case was in Munich. The switch to Linux (Limux) was very successful. The next mayor was only very closely associated with Microsoft and the lobbying then did the rest with the result that millions were unnecessarily sunk into Microsoft licences. They no longer play fair at this level - one of the reasons why I detest this company so much. They are the devil in the business sector and make no secret of it...
Thanks for the News!
Also good pronounciation on "Schleswig-Holstein" !!!
More government organisations in the EU and China adopting Linux, certainly could bring advancements and more mainstream software support, like Adobe Acrobat. I hope this trend continues.
Even if EU government move to an alternative vendor of closed source products (if OSS alternatives don't exist) from the few tech giants that control most of the market. Just increasing competition is great in itself.
Adobe acrobat has always been a bloated mess in my experience, I hate it when windows users use acrobat reader when 90% of them are not even using it for anything more advanced than what their web browser can already do, I think okular or evince would be a drop in replacement for most people, but adobe creative suite coming would be nice for professionals.
I can see why AMD would OSS RocM. They can't compete with CUDA by themselves, so making it open, more adopted and selling for gpus on AI space would be better than just staying behind Nvidia.
Amd should really make something competitive to cuda
Rocm is MIT licensed.
The problem is too much software is written for CUDA and don't use any alternative like Rocm or OneAPi.
People should buy more AMD GPU to make it worthwhile to invest in technologies like Sycl that abstract all these low level APIs away.
If not 2 equal workstation editions, I would at least like Fedora team to take a closer look at current Fedora KDE spin. Fedora with GNOME comes with vanilla shell and vanilla apps, with very minimal suite. Fedora KDE comes with tons of additional software that most people won't use, some of which is extremely outdated. Doesn't feel nearly as fresh and modern as gnome edition in my opinion.
I agree with this. Gnome is already a WAY more polished DE then KDE. Plus with all the new funding they just got, it's about to get a whole lot better. KDE would be a step backwords in UI design, and polish.
The transition to snap is in part because thunderbird stepped up, not the other way around ;)
Either I'm aging backwards through time or we had that exact same news about Schleswig-Holstein a year or two ago.
I think a year or two from now, we'll all look back at the XZ scare as a good thing. No systems were actually compromised, and it was a wake-up call to distros and other projects to make better choices in how they do things. The best security feature of open source is that there is real accountability, and people can see exactly how everyone reacts and works to mitigate vulnerabilities when they come to light. There's no opportunity for a cover-up, and the community won't tolerate projects dragging their feet and being slow to address serious problems. I'm very optimistic about Linux's future after this happened. We got turbo-nerds investigating even the slightest bit of weirdness in packages and tracking down security flaws before they have a chance to do anything, and every major project involved rushed to mitigate it and are proactively seeking ways to shore up security against hypothetical future threats. Linux has done a great job all around.
I can't wait for Cosmic, it is basically cross between Gnome and kde. Finally, I will be able to stick to one thing and won't have to hop from one thing to another, because some people said something was updated, fixed, added.
You'd better knock on wood
I wouldn't hold your breath, it's a brand new DE. It's going to have so many bugs and short comings. Gnome and KDE have been around for years with all that development time. I highly doubt cosmic will come out with anywhere near the level polish, stability, or features the others have.
@@JohnnyElihue Yeah, but I'm still excited to try it out because I'm curious.
6:02 To be exact what Poettering means with "no longer mandates compression libraries as hard dependencies" is that when needed dlopen will be used to open the library. At least that's what I got from the Fedora mailing list.
A lot of nice updates from the Thunderbird team.
One of the reasons that Linux Mint may not want to go with Debian as the only base is that LMDE doesn't allow external repositories.
To be honest KDE fits the Fedora's vision of always being first. They're implementing a lot of things in wayland and I've heard that KDE might follow the 6 months release cycle which will be in line with fedora....
While I prefer KDE, I'm pretty sure Gnome switched to Wayland years ago.
About the release cycle, it's always better to wait a little bit for major bugs to get fixed before using the latest version, so the KDE release would have to happen a few weeks before the Fedora release.
It wouldn’t be a Saturday morning without a new video from Nick. Great information sir.
this channel is such a delight, hopefully this Germany state sticks with Linux and so other countries have a model to copy.
Whatever you think about the fedora KDE proposal, remember this, the important part of this disscussion is what is better for FEDORA, not which is the better DE.
I personally can see both sides:
switching to KDE makes sense because KDE is at the bleeding edge of new developments, which is what FEDORA is aiming to be. (remember pulseaudio, pipewire, wayland, systemd, etc.)
staying on GNOME also makes sense because REDHAT is a downstream of FEDORA, making it more simple to make new REDHAT releases.
another reason in favour of Gnome is that they used it for a LONG time and see Fedora Workstation as more of a complete OS like Microsoft sees Windows 10 and such a switch would be a change which one could argue is even larger than e.g. Pulseaudio -> Pipewire or X11 -> Wayland
@@kuhluhOG I disagree, they may call it fedora workstation, but (in my opinion) it moves too quickly for actual workstation use
@@potatoes5829 I only said how they view it
I use Fedora workstation as my primary desktop (though I'm mandated to use a Mac for work). I haven't had any issues with the pace of updates or anything in gnome breaking.
That said, if they did set KDE as the new default I don't think it would impact me too much. Both DEs are quite usable and stable.
Plasma is so bleeding edge it doesn't even have Chinese or Japanese input methods build-in, after how many years?
I think Plasma default will actually be better for Fedora and Linux in general. Not because I like Plasma more than GNOME, but GNOME is a very unique and specific experience by default that most new comers to Linux wouldn't expect or know their way around. Plasma is more familiar and more flexible to user's needs so new people can both feel familiar from the beggining, but also see the power and flexibility of Linux. And then if they check out GNOME's experience and it's just the thing they're looking for - they'll switch to a desktop that wants to be used by people looking for that exact unique experience.
Nah, there are already plenty of distros with KDE. Gnome is already way more polished and stable then KDE, and they just got all that funding. By contrast, KDE is cluttered, miss aligned UI elements, bloated, and glitchy
Hey Nick:
1. The timestamps are slightly bugged at the end. (There's an unfinished timestamp in the description.)
2. No Linux gaming news?
First time i see this channel. Subbed, i really like the chapterization of the video, good work :)
I Love AMD!! I think they see that the future of computing is open source and they are trying to get ahead of it
Good job as always 😊
Opensuse has had Plasma as the default for a long time and it's been great. And opensuse is basically just a better fedora
You get a choice of desktops during install.
@@balsalmalberto8086 yes and it's a plasma first distro. Just like currently fedora is a gnome first distro but you can get other DE's
Kde and gnome as fedora workstation's flagships would be a nice compromise, but it could confuse newcomers.
Still, KDE should be more promoted than it is now. Making two Workstation versions (one with GNOME and the other with KDE) is probably the best option
Not really. they could just present two silhouettes of each de during installation. One windows-like and other mac-like.
@@cameronbosch1213 Yes, and the website could explain that kde offers a traditional windows-like interface but that it can be customized heavily, and that gnome is more of a minimalist interface, and is much less customizable.
@@shApYT Very good idea!
Seems like a problematic compromise to me, and if I'm honest I can't see the point. A Linux noob isn't likely to pick fedora, which in many ways that is a good thing as its not what the distro is aiming to do, and even if they do Gnome does just work well enough to deal with anyway - they are in for a culture shock moving to Linux and package managers no matter what, so as long as it is good to use and fully functional, which gnome is. Which also means the folks picking fedora know that Gnome is the default and supported platform, and what they are getting into if they want to run a different DE. Which means they will either pick a distro that does lean the way they prefer by default or be able to get their preference set up anyway.
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Nick, your channel is invaluable, thanks for the work you do.
Tbh, as a linux noob user, I agree with the fact that KDE would be way more familiar for a larger group of people. It's simply the same UI paradigm as the most widespread OS out there, people would find it way easier to transition.
As for Gnome... I feel like back in the days of Win 8. It got so simplified and so tablet-ized(?) that it's starting to become cumbersome.
menus are cumbersome
Cinnamon is also pretty similar to w10 I'd argue
Thanks Nick.
Gracias por las noticias 👍
IIRC, the main reason GNOME is so popular as a default DE for many distros is less work for developers and easier integration.Plasma so far has been trickier to implement and imposed more work on devs...we'll see if that will change after the v6.
thanks
I like the stable vanilla gnome in fedora it just works. :)
Exchange in Thunderbird would be awesome! Ok, we do have davmail but having working exchange natively on the desktop and then, presumably, it'll come through to K9 when it becomes Thunderbird for android too.
Schleswig-Holstein is the Bundesland I spent most of my life in after moving up from Hessen and before moving even further up to Småland in Sweden.
From my POV, putting Plasma alongside GNOME in the same ISO is a better idea compared to just replacing one with the other. Fedora seem to be pretty well-known in the newbie corner (even though I think it is a more "experimental" oriented distro because of its early adoption of new technologies such as in the case of Wayland, Pipewire, Systemd, etc) ; and as Workstation is clearly the most used spin of Fedora, it would let the end user choose between the two DEs. Newbies would learn to know the two and finally they would choose what they think is better for their workflow.
Really nice to see public institutions adopting Linux: just as you said, if they plan everything they want to do and search for FOS alternatives to proprietary software, their transition will be smooth. For example, it took me one entire year to create my workflow on Linux and to master the new software that I was not used to. I really hope more institutions will consider Linux as an alternative.
The dotfiles for gnome and KDE conflict. In addition, it would greatly increase the size of the ISO, and begs the question of what services from each DE should be running. It’s quite different from, say, installing sway alongside gnome
@@npgoalkeeper Maybe introducing a part where the user can choose whatever desktop he wants to use between KDE and GNOME and automatically downloading and installing it should resolve this issue. Debian already does that in their standard installer ; and also Fedora in their "everything ISO".
Still, it's true that in the two cases, it could be a problem if the connection of the user is limited or slow...
:53 mark, how did you do that in GNOME? How did you add desktop icons inside of a KDE 4 type container? That is neat!
In Spain, 90% of the IT / CompSci education curriculum is all taught with FOSS. And when I was a secondary / High school student, all PCs in my school were running Ubuntu. However, for the Spanish administration workers, it's still all Windows.
I'm happy that Germany's government is making the move! I feel like modern Linux is very polished and should be apt for most (if not all) office work related use cases nowadays. Feels like the only reason for going propietary now would be because the industry standard creative/artistic software is locked to Win/macOS. However I believe that even that is starting to change (Take a look at blender / Krita / Godot)..
AAAYYYYY! It's Releasing On My Birthday!🥳🎉🎉🎉
Great step from Germany :) Hopefully they will stay with it
at this point it will be best for most linux distro's to use offer both gnome and KDE Plasma. My sister always hated linux until i shown her KDE is similar to windows because she always seen gnome. Now she is a full time linux users and now refuses to touch windows only be kde can be adjusted to similarity of windows start menu and bottom dock can look exactly like windows taskbar.
It would be cool if Fedora moved their default desktop to KDE. I know when I was switching from Windows and trying distros it was that Fedora had a KDE version (and a damn good one at that). I think there's less of a learning curve with KDE than Gnome if you're coming from WIndows, just for the fact everything is there and you're not hunting down add ons to do basic functionality (that should be there in the first place).
However, I'm using Ultramarine KDE now. Mainly because it's easier to install as they add the extra repos, codecs and drivers needed for my hardware (although its not hard to do it in Fedora but just less steps than installing Ultramarine).
Gnome is not missing any functionality because it is not intended to be a "windows like" experience.
@@JohnnyElihue I beg to differ
Fedora switching to KDE would be really nice because, currently, the only distros that mainline KDE are tuxedo and steamOS, both of which are quite esoteric. There's ton of GNOME distros already, i wouldn't mind a single KDE one that isn't made specifically for some ad hoc device.
Fedora and Canonical could do well to have a banner on every desktop spin landing page promoting their KDE variant with the heading _Attention Steam Deck users_ or similar, which would help people using Steam Deck / SteamOS / HoloISO to use the variety of their distribution with a familiar desktop environment.
Yay, thunderbird now maintains the snap :D
I run Fedora and had to switch to KDE for compatibility. Running KDE under the X11 launcher made my PC manageable. When I ran the Wayland variant I couldn't launch most my software without off monitor problems. But to be fair I am still on Fedora 39
I like the idea of KDE and Gnome being co-official Fedora desktops. I like both desktops, and would use both in my home computing ecosystem. I tend to like Gnome better on my laptop, but KDE works better for me on the desktop.
I set up a bicycle shop to use Linux did some gentle training and it went very well. I found out a couple years later they had just switched back to Windows because the owner wanted to install Internet explorer
They said they couldn't get on the internet without it and boy were they surprised to learn about Firefox
I know some Enterprise level solutions require certain operating systems to be optimal, but I'm pretty sure it's just a lot of older people who don't understand technology that keep states cities and other organizations from staying on Linux once they switch
After trying KDE Plasma i loved it
I like the idea. I began using linux around the redhat 7.2/7.3 timeframe... and found I liked the kde flavor better than gnome, primarily because admin tools suited me. Fedora with kde? Yes, please!
Congrats to Land Schleswig-Holstein. All public entities should shift to Linux gradually. They should start a training program, possibly on a specific administration oriented distro flavor. That would be a great project!
Is there a step by step definitions guide for Linux use? Like what everything means in the most computer-ey technical terms? Arch wiki?
Hey bro, what distro do you use?
I hate Plasma and want Fedora to make it the default. If you love Gnome and love how it does what it does then you want this too.
Gnome users and developers cross-pollinating will bring the good things of Gnome to KDE and finally make it the ultimate DE.
Fedora's trial by fire approach has been very effective, look at wayland and pipewire.
I absolutely agree, someone needs to push it so it gets better
I think having both on equal footing is probably the way to go; both are well funded and are the two most popular DEs for Linux. Given the Steam Deck uses KDE Plasma on its desktop mode, I think it's important to have promote the KDE version a lot more than it is being promoted now.
While offering both would be the pragmatic approach, it would also lessen the effect of Fedora pushing something uncomfortable to the end users and thus lessen the benefit to KDE.
Gnome is leagues ahead of KDE in terms of design and general sex appeal. Only those users who are either already used to KDE or coming from windows would pick KDE and the rest of Fedora's user base would pick Gnome if it was presented as an option in the installer.
If Fedora does switch, then the current users don't actually lose anything because they would just switch to the Gnome Spin on the next release. Since Fedora is just vanilla Gnome it is not like users are missing out on some extra sauce that a spin can't maintain.@@cameronbosch1213
@@cameronbosch1213 CZcams deleted my reply since I used the word "Segs Appeal" so I'll keep it short.
Current users don't lose anything by Gnome getting demoted to a spin. "workstation" doesn't have any secret sauce. Just switch on the next release. If the option was presented during install, then only new users switching from windows or already familiar KDE users would pick it.
Yes it would be more pragmatic and less painful, but that would lessen the benefit to KDE and slow down the speed at which KDE would catch up to Gnome. KDE desperately needs some of the "Gnome's eye for design" to rub off from this transition.
...what's wrong with plasma?
Correct me if im wrong, but there is already a Fedora Workstation spin that uses KDE? That is what I currently use.
Linux Mint really is amazing, if they weren't using such an old kernel I would have been using that right now but my hardware is too new for it lol
Another German state (Niedersachsen) did the move to Linux 20 years ago (I was involved in the mass project with hundreds of consultants over years) only to move back to M$ a few years later when a new MP came to power that was strongly funded (bribed) by M$
I'll like snap pack and flat pack.
It’s gonna be OpenSUSE 😊
It be interesting Fedora moving to KDE as a default, but seeing GNOME having pre-established Security STIGS and highly used by companies, I don't tihnk RHEL would move to KDE and Fedora moving to KDE.
Love KDE and GNOME regardless
Give it a few years and cosmic might become a real competitor in the DE space. It’ll be a three-way fight
Competition is always good.
i tried the kde spin for fedora 38 and -being on wayland- it was an awful experience all around. back to gnome for fedora 39 and everything is smooth as always.
gnome is more restrictive but extensions alleviate the issue, whereas kde will likely not ready for prime time yet.
Appimage > flatpak > snap
Switching to KDE default would not be good I think, but making it more visible, like a button to switch to KDE on Workstation would be nice, giving it more visibility.
Mint may as well keep using Ubuntu as their base distro. The amount of software (and hardware!) that suddenly doesn’t exist or doesn’t work with debian is quite something. If they still want to label Mint as “beginner-friend” they should definitely keep Ubuntu
What? Ubuntu is more or less Debian repackaged. Yes, Canonical has added quite a bit of their own spin onto packages which distanced Ubuntu from the source somewhat but the net result was mostly that some PPAs might not work with Debian packages because Ubuntu ships different versions. Honestly, Ubuntu has not been the go-to distro for quite some time now and it is really easy to see why. If anything, the existence of LMDE shows that the reliance on Ubuntu isn't nearly as critical for Mint as Ubuntu lovers want people to think it is.
SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN MENTIONED RAHH
Yea the Mint team should just stop undoing what ubuntu does, and just go solely Debian based, they are creating needless work for themselves with the constant tug of war with ubuntu and i always stated the devs should just only focus on Debian.
I would love to see Norway also move to Linux, though I sadly don't see that happening in the foreseeable future. Some people here seam to love using Microsoft stuff, and they fail to realize that they would save a lot of money by moving from Microsoft stuff to using FOSS stuff instead, also that less data would be collected if this change were to be done.
Oh baby! stripping down systemD would be amazing
KDE Plasma is the way to go. KDE leverages QT and is far ahead in the GUI UX development game.
Are ypu saying something like busybox, but systemD?
I kinda like that. Each "applet" could be hashed and referenced against a sha sum for unwanted changes.
I like both KDE and GNOME. Different strokes and all that, options are what Linux gives us when Windows takes them away. 🥰
Agreed, I prefer gnome on laptop and KDE on desktop, though KDE 6's bugs has me holding back to 5.27.
I hope Germany's transition works this time!
I can understand why people want move their Thunderbird from snap to native deb. But theoretically snap is more secure for the system, than deb cause it has sandboxing. In case with mail clients - it makes sense, i guess. So do they care so much about a little bit faster loading of he app, or just want to leave snaps behind?
If exploits continue, then maybe BSD is the way to go???.
'It was proposed by joshua strobl'
Marc, Troy, Steve and Alessandro: :/
Hi so I don't know which linux distribution should I install I tried using Ubuntu but learning how to use Linux while learning how to program a game is a bad idea. I'm currently in my 1st year as IT student and I bought a pre owned thinkpad and the ram is soldered. Trying Linux again this summer but looking to install LMDE or do you have any other recommendation?
I don't know much about LMDE, but Debian is pretty solid too and you'd get the benefit of having the same package manage as Ubuntu/LM. Debian is designed to run on everything, no matter how low spec.
Also, ram usage is a concern you could always install more lightweight desktop environment, like LXDE or Xfce 😊
@@Jmcinally94 I will download it to my laptop after I finish presenting my Project. Since microsoft and using windows now feels so slow even in my computer with decent specs. So I'm wondering if I installed linux in my pc can play games that I play in windows and just sit and play? I heard the meme of playing a game in linux is 90% running your game and 10 % playing the actual game. I really wish gaming in linux is easy lol if that's the case
What is the bg music name?
Maybe we shoukd reduce our dependancy on systemd
Fedora going with KDE first is actually an exciting proposition and will help the KDE community with development. High adventure.
Salut nick.
As-tu um podcast de tes vidéos d'ici ?
I like good news.
Its debatable whether plasma is stable, every time I try it I always run into bugs, not just small bugs either, bugs that would cause the desktop to crash and restart, or long login times, or logging in and only getting a black screen with a cursor, a more stable desktop would be xfce or lxqt, the latter can be easily run with plasma's kwin window manager, which gives a basic plasma like experience just without the bugs.
Flatpaks are just as worse as snaps, but I use Debian based MX which uses deb Thunderbird by default.
I am waiting for next news and (maybe) coverage of new X-Silicon RISC-V based C-GPU: A processor where one core can be CPU or GPU (and some tittles say even NPU) "core" depending on the need. I don't understand though, what these cores really are, because some high end CPU usually can lets say 64 cores, but GPU's can have thousands of cores. On some news I saw it compared to abandoned Intel Larabee project. Also I wonder if it maybe solves some of the things said in "The Thirty Million Line Problem" (presented on "Molly Rocket" channel): he basically wanted to have something similar to what ISA is for CPU but for GPU; so my question is if this cores are RISC-V, and also what X-Silicon is supposed to be open sstandard (If I heard right) then does that mean that these cores have ISA but also for GPU part? (I know though that they made some Vulkan drivers so current standards can still be used)
Australian Government should make the same move to Linux
Well... after almost software becoming Web based, I think now that migration has better chances of success... hope it does.
11:50 Imagine, if the radeon gpus were open-source
I think its cool that German government is switching to Linux. And I also hope it sticks this time. Wish this would happen in the US.
Regarding the chosen distro - they made mention of a Univention AD connector, so it seems pretty likely they are going with Univention Corporate Server. This is a commercial Debian-based enterprise distro based in Germany.
With any luck their research will lead them to more open source solutions. Seems they still need to find something like FreeIPA for identity services. Also open source telephony stuff that I know exists since there's a distro for it but I know nothing beyond that.
S-H is the most northern state of Germany, one out of 16 states. It was not the German government, but the government of S-H who decided that.
@@macaldente German government as in a government in Germany. Didn't mean the overall German government.
Poorly phrased though, I admit.
Ah Germany has decided to once again move to Linux? Like Munich once did but got baited back by Microsoft. I hope they stay with Linux this time (I am a German citizen, so I may have an opinion on that)
They did not getting baited back, I’m pretty sure the return to MS was the condition for microsoft to choose Munich for their headquarters. And that means jobs and taxes for Munich. The decision grated in me, but it was perfectly reasonable.
@@christianemden7637 It was not only that. The problem was that the transition was poorly done. Not in a natural way that helps the employees to migrate and all.
Transitioning back to Microsoft just because of new jobs and taxes is not perfectly reasonable IMO. If you want jobs, the state should finally start to develop open protocols and a proper infrastructure so that all the towns and vilages can slowly transition to Open Source. Selling freedom and independence is not worth taxes and jobs.