The Retro Gaming Market Is Being Exposed...
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2021
- This week massive questions are being raised at companies that grade video games such as Wata, and sites that deal with auctioning these games off for massive prices. Are they working together in pricing out the average gamer from the retro world? Let's try and find out! Thanks for watching!
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Honestly, crap like this is why people emulate, and I'm not against it.
Yo ho matey
I wanted emulator Zelda......
I love collecting games, but I hate how much they cost. The GBA and DS Pokémon games are so common and should _not_ cost upwards of $100.
@@TheAbsol7448
Most good 3DS games can be worth $100
Sucks to be a SMT fan, when about half of the 3DS games can cost up to $100-300 physically.
And that's not even mentioning collectors edition or some of the PS2 games, or even older than that..
Emulation is the way to go, eventually all those old games and consoles will simply stop working, then what do you do?
Muta’s weight loss is noticeable. Good job man
Be wary of the Twitter SJWs lol
@@mortenera4423 StOp FaT sHaMiNg
@@matthewswart1845 Fat acceptance is the bullshit way of saying "I'm too lazy to keep myself good-looking and healthy, so I'll hate on whoever feels happy about losing weight"
Dead set legend
"yes ma'am, you're definitely healthy and beautiful while weighting 261lb's"
Fun thing is, Karl isn't even pointing any fingers or making any allegations (as he points out himself). His video is so well-made that all he needs to do is just present the evidence and let everyone else decide what the claims are.
That's typical of all of his content. He is a true unobjective journalist.
Journalism done right.
thats why Karl is an ABSOLUTE LEGEND!
Less than 10 years ago, I remember seeing stacks of NES cartridges in one of my local pawn shops for 75 cents each. I wonder what they charge now?
They still don't charge a huge amount. We have one in our area and they average around $10. This shop usually overcharges, so maybe it's cheaper elsewhere.
@@Nakia11798 while $10 isnt much, thats still a 1,233.3% mark up from 75 cents.
The local shops around here sell them from 99 cents to $10. Depends on the cartridge. They have some sealed games they mark up a few hundred, but nobody buys them because they did a poor job resealing them and you can tell they’re not factory sealed.
saw a stack of old NES consoles, reputedly working, for > $10/ea at a mini-mall stall around 2002. None were pristine, but how rich would I be now if I'd bought them?
@@rodneykingston6420 NES consoles working and boxed go for around $100
The most expensive retro game I have ever seen in person was a sealed copy of Chrono Trigger in original packaging, and I thought that was pricey at $100.
Sellers at my local flea markets don't even have prices for their games as they just look off eBay for prices if you ask them. It's not worth collecting at this point and if someone just wants to play old games, just download the ROM/ISO and emulate them. It's actually easier to collect the consoles and controllers, plus you can use special carts to load as many ROMs on there if you want to actually play on old hardware
@UCyjF3AIqoFwPbXgVBx4a-Sg it's sad but true. Back when people didn't use the internet so much dahm.
I could buy more retro games when I was 6 then now, and I had like 15 bucks back then. I'm only fucking 18. I remember dreaming of finally being able to afford buying more retro titles when I was little, but I never got far. Even flea markets have been asking online price for a few years now. There not even fucking fun to go too anymore, it's just fucking depressing.
It al used to be nice old people that sold a SNES or gameboy for 5 bucks, and then games for 0.50-5 at max.
Now mf are asking 30-50 for a Gameboy. Some fucking second hand store even tried selling me a yellow burnt in DMG Gameboy for a 150 bucks like JESUS FUXK MAN it's even worse since it's euros like fuck.
Now it's just retro = money. Like even some fuxkers are selling CRT sets for 300 euros like wtf. With titles like perfect for retro gaming. Rare CRT for gaming. Fuck off i hate this new standard.
At a local indoor flee market this dude is selling games and carts at very reasonable prices compared to their online counterparts, it’s still expensive (like conkers bad furday for $100 loose) but I have gotten a ton from him due to reasonable prices for old cart games ($5-10-15 per cartridge and even some games have cases like old genesis games for the same 10-5 for most and 20-25 for the more sought after stuff like mortal kombat and sonic 2 but the vast majority is cheaper). And gameboy, gameboy color, gba, and gamegear games are $7-30 with the majority being 10-20 and the much more sought after stuff like anything Pokémon etc for $50+ but I’ve only seen the tcg gbc game there. And most of the gamegear stuff has the manuals.
How about Policenauts?
@@NetBattler did policenauts even release outside of Japan? I only remember it being with fan released translations.
I'm still bummed out by the fact that I'll never finish my GBA collection. Greedy ass people always find a way to ruin other people's hobbies.
Download a rom
You can always just buy a reproduction from aliexpress if you don't mind.
@@user-pq4by2rq9y ehhhh reproductions can be kind of iffy. I’ve heard some stories that reproduction cartridges of N64 games are worse than an authentic cart like some repros not working properly or having the game crash since they aren’t official and don’t have the exact hardware inside them that official carts do. With that being said I’ve also heard that people have had some decent experiences with repros and they seem like a cheaper alternative to the real deal (it really depends who you get the repel from) my cartridge for SMASH 64 is a repro and it works fine for the most part though it’s a bit more difficult to put the cartridge in the cartridge slot compared to my other authentic N64 carts, I find it also gets a bit warmer as well, and there was one instant where I got a messy video signal and had to re plug in my video cables into my tv (it could’ve been my video cables though) other than it works fine for me
@@Green_Stache_Productions So he should forgo playing the game? Scalpers making collecting cost prohibitive. Roms, Isos, emulating remove that artificial barrier and should be fully embraced.
@@NineToFiveGamerUC0079 I never said anything about him out right just not playing the game just because it’s hard to collect nor did I ever say emulation or roms we’re out right bad. I’m simply just going through options here. There’s nothing wrong with buying repros but like I said I find their quality to be iffy compared to the real deal which is why sometimes it might be better to buy an authentic copy. But I know that isn’t always the case and that they could be expensive which is where emulation comes in. Emulation is fantastic and a great way of preserving games but like I said earlier he wants to collect the game, not just play it, and if you wanna collect games you usually collect them in their physical state, unless you wanna collect roms. Basically there’s numerous ways to enjoy classical games and none of them are wrong answers. It’s just that each option has their own caveats and all
I'll never forget when GameStop had bargain bins full of retro games like NES and SNES cartridges going for like 5 bucks a pop. probably early 2000's or so. It was such a good time for retro gaming. Of course ROMs fix that little issue now. Thank Zion for ROMs.
I remember when they had GBA games and PS2 games for 3 bucks, good times
29 cent Mario duck hunts lol
@@KevinRodriguez-cm7uh and then there is Nintendoodoo selling SMB on eshop for 5 bucks
That wasnt game stop, that was EB games before gamestop bought out and fucked them.
@@darkworlddenizen my mall back then had an EB games and a GameStop literally next to each other. It was a blast being able to check out both stores for the best deals.
As soon as you mentioned grading companies, this reminds me of the banking crisis of 2008. The ratings agencies assigned various grades to mortgage backed securities which were all junk. The rest is history...
Imagine an era where people start cracking open the graded boxes because it was all a scam.
What will be first? AAA Videogame Crash or Retrogame Crash?
right because the rating agencies forced your dumbasses to buy that 10th house when you couldn't afford one
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 Comic Books are going CRAZY right now! You can get a RAW book for $10, or a GRADED copy of the same book for $100!
@@miyagidojo9479 fantasy land scenario. stick to the reality of the situation.
>Trying to play gamecube games I missed out on when I was a kid
>Checking prices on Ebay
>Closing Ebay and playing them on emulator
*looks at prices for FE path of radiance
*NOPE!*
Homebrew is great because I can get Nintendont on my Wii and play F Zero without paying a shit ton
I am passing on the GameCube. Great library of games but not worth paying for in 2021 onward .
@eric Spencer I been playing some Saturn games on an emulator. Panzer Dragoon Saga, Saturn Bomberman...man these games are lit 🔥.
Got any recommendation on best GameCube games besides common ones ?
@eric Spencer I do remember seeing that game years ago. Cool thanks
The exaggerated swagger of a certain “absolute legend”
@Matthieu how big of a loser do you have to be to dedicate your time to this shit lol
@Louielolbruh bye
Exactly lol
This is the guy who killed Jaystation so yeah he's kind of a legend. Lol
@Dudley Dingleberry Karl Jobst
I love how muta just casually changes scenery and time mid sentence
Straight up had to watch twice to find it.
Yup. As a collector, I'm certainly happy Wata Games and Heritage auctions schemes are (hopefully) soon gonna go down. While prices may never return to how they used to be, this is for the best.
They won't, give up. Americans love nothing more than capitalism, and this is just an extension of that. It's no different than PSA for cards.
@@TachibanaTengoku I'd rather not lose hope for this so soon. With them being exposed I definitely see this as an opportunity to get the market a bit closer to what it used to be.
@@TachibanaTengoku Prices will stabilize, because if for no other reason that vendors setting too high prices DON'T SELL PRODUCT, and thus DON'T EARN MONEY. What do folks do when they have stuff to sell that won't sell? They slash prices. Even simply having merchandise has an associated cost... especially if said merchandise has a preservation factor (which retro games do, especially if they're in-box)
There are certain lines of antique heritage furniture, century+ old, that sell for far less in the USA than they did 10 years ago... because they don't match modern tastes. This is nothing new with collectibles, prices rise & fall based on interest. Retro games right now are still high interest, which allows for inflated prices.
Also, your commie utopia would never have even created the product in the first place. Centrally planned societies with a hate-boner against the very concept of personal property don't produce luxury entertainment products... which is what NES/SNES game carts were when they were being actively produced.
They'll pop back up. People like this just need to be put in prison for mass fraud. No accountability = this kind of crap. I'd say this is just the tip of the iceberg. Our government is rife with this kind of crap and it may cost us the entire country.
I miss the days when old games were just that and you could buy used consoles for 20 bucks and a fiver per game.
Fr tho. Older consoles and games at low prices at local markets.
Yeah, even trying to find old broken consoles to fix and mod is pretty expensive nowadays :/
I remember like 5 years ago or so, at our local flea market I picked up a snes and a few games (nothing like super Mario bros or anything, buy classic games nonetheless) for like 75$ in total.
It's absurd seeing stuff like this
I miss those days too. I found a copy of Star Fox with the box and manual for $5 at a yard sale a decade back. I doubt you can get anything that good these days
I remember my mum buying me cassetes for those older consoles mario and Tetris for 5£ they also sold those ones with 200games but were all the same in the end lol
We used to have fairs usually set up by gipsies and we would usually find them in the stall with all the pirated DVDs lmao
All of that has ended tho because I guess it’s ilegal ahaha
FINALLY we've all known this was a racket
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I remember going to toy shows with my parents and finding complete with box and manual NES games for like $2 not even 15 years ago yet. Always gotta have those people that take away things from others because of greed.
"grading" and appraising are almost the same thing but marketing differences. Appraising is checking the items condition, history, and legitimacy to determine a price. Grading are those who check the details to make appraisal easier or to remarket the item for any particular reason.
It is, and for the exact same reason, price increases. There's a big difference between a house appraised for 600k and a house that the owner FEELS is worth 600k. I'm not going to spend big money on something that has an undetermined condition, that's just gambling, and is precisely why the current housing market where you pay 100s of thousands of dollars but are unable to even check the property is bullshit.
I hate people that overprice games for no reason... i once got a copy of Pokemon Colosseum online for somewhere around $30 to $35 that was honestly nearly Flawless. Not a scratch on the disc, had the manual untouched, original case... the only flaw i could find was a slight scratch on the case plastic which was only visible under certain positions in the light
These games are NOT meant to be "up, got this OG DS Fossil fighters Copy, its worth $267" its a slightly older GAME, not some high end experimental PC part to be sold like crack.
@SNES Nes It's a little easier to call their bluff on eBay. People can list things for any price they want, but 9 times outta 10, they won't sell. It takes a frustrating amount of patience, but eventually they'll either grow a brain and relist it for a better price or (more likely) accept a much lower "Best Offer" price.
like earthbound that game is overpriced af now, I haven't looked at the listing for it to this day but i imagine that it's still overpriced
Fossil fighters is pretty fire tho
It's really annoying tbh, because if you were to try to sell a sealed game on Facebook Marketplace, for example, people would REFUSE to buy it for any more than its original market price, and would probably demand cost off for their time.
lucky to get a price that low for just the loose disc now
Karl Jobst is the F'ing man. Absolute legend indeed.
these darn bots...
When retro doesn't mean pixelated games anymore, I'm gonna cry.
Well, now retro can also mean low resolution polygonal games, PS1 games are now "retro"
I have so many xbox 360 games in basically perfect condition so I might be rich in 10 years
Isn't GameCube considered a retro system? 💀
@@ArwingDing agreed, along with the Xbox and ps2. I’d say Xbox 360/PS3/Wii are on the verge of retro
@@ArwingDing give it another 5 years or so. Once we're in the post-Switch era, it'll be anything pre-Wii for Nintendo.
"Remember I told you when you started, the guys who last in this business are the ones who fly straight. And the guys who want it all, chicas, champagne, flash, they don't last" - Frank Lopez, Scarface
Lol, now Pawn Stars look like even bigger hacks as far as their "experts" are concerned.
Pawn Stars have been proven hacks in the past
Most of the genuine stuff shown there sells for much more than what is asked in the episode
@@Sorrelhas isn’t that what they are supposed to do? have max profit margins, or am i getting ur comment wrong
@@isaac.e The problem is that they "rig" the price with an "objective expert" which they totally work with to lower said price of something really valuable so they get maximum profit. Maximizing profit isn't morally dubious, but lying to your customers/scamming them is.
@@DeathScorpi0 basically capitalism works for its intended person
@@DeathScorpi0 basically capitalism works for its intended person
I still can’t wrap my head around why someone would grade a video game.
I play the games. 🤷🏼♂️
Here's an example, If you just wanted to buy a physical copy of Mario Bros, you'll easily find someone selling a used copy somewhere. Investors don't care about the actual game itself. They care about trying to over value a "never opened perfect condition sealed box." The game itself is common, but a "never opened perfect condition sealed box" is what is rare. Anything that can be twisted as rare there will be someone trying to take advantage of it.
I also play my games, like what is the point on having a sealed game (like cib is understandable but never sealed and or graded meaning it is there not to be played.
Collector markets always does grading, just for the sake of those "investor collectors". The price of those specimens are driven not by rarity but by condition and "market". Yes, collector markets are determined by those who believe certain items must be priced at a certain amount...
I would understand an older game that's sealed/inbox to be graded. Could be something like having the game when younger and seeing one that's still sealed/inbox brings back memories and they want to preserve the game in that condition.
But it's really just people who want to turn out a high profit while also going for the whole graded market that cards and coins have.
i wanna assume its people that dont play videogames in the first place, and ignorant people that wanna get quick money, grading its a fucking stupid and obvious scam anyway
The 1990 Nintendo world champion gold is being sold for $2,000,000 GOD DAMN that cartridge better have been in peaches’ underwear during the world champs game
Who is peaches?
Reminds me about NFTs. The most slimy, shady fad to ever touch the face of earth 🤨
What is it?
Only pay what something is worth to yourself. Don't base it off an appeal to the authority of someone else.
THIS
So facts
Fax
Totally. Same with rare Pokémon cards. They go for insane prices for what to me is a piece of paper not worth 5 bucks.
Wise.
The thing that just makes this case Is the fact that the people who are doing this now are the exact same people who were already charged with millions of dollars worth of fraud with the coin collection bubble awhile ago. I seriously don't know how these people are even legally allowed to make other grading companies after the fraud they have already done.
You imply the authorities and companies, actually give a damn about the customer.
Just look at the stock market. Financial criminals robbing us everyday, and police protected!!!
A LOT of people makes millions from this, as you said, and some of those people work for the state and deliberaly they dont enforce any law.
Laws are made to protect the high classes, white collar criminals can r4pe you and your family, but you would be one to go to jail for sexually harass someone of the high class.
I remember when mums would sell their games in bundles for dirt cheap. They are the absolute MVPs.
Who are mums?
@@Samuelfish2k those ladies that used to live in the same house as us when we were kids.
@@Samuelfish2k your life giver
@@PoptartParasol Holy shit you used the correct “your”… It’s a miracle. You must not be American.
The "shill bidding" thing reminds me a lot of the crypto/NFT market lately, where so much low-effort looking art sells for so much money. How much do you want to bet that those same practices happen on NFT marketplaces?
If it’s an unregulated market then I’d say chances are high
Think of all the rich kids of CZcams who are promoting it.. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind bumping a few bids on one of their friends nft to make it seem valuable
NFTs are meant to make profit on resale, not to look good
i mean its kinda the same as with phones, cars and stuff
selling stuff for 10x its worth and it works because everybody else does the same ^^
@@rafradeki i.e it's rarity, which is what gives it worth. Whichis why you never see a repeat nft, even if they are all equally lazy in terms of effort (majority, not all obviously)
absolutely based. I decided to buy dreamcast games recently since my parents sold off all of my old games, and seeing the prices in the past year for games I used to own has blown me away completely. It's so hard to believe people are getting away with this shit.
dont use based if you dont know how to use it you brainlet
@@nutsackvlogz8892 ? his take on the awful retro game market is based; they deserve to be called out. So aggressive for no reason, calm down dude lol
@@nutsackvlogz8892 Don't call someone brainlet if you have no sense of irony, it doesn't make you look smarter.
@@nutsackvlogz8892 bro you're so salty everywhere 🧂 🍚 🧂 🍚
Dreamcast shit is a bit pricey with most games being $40 and the more expensive shit being 100-200+. That’s why I just got cdi files off of the internet and burnt them onto cd-r disks and I now have 50ish games that work perfectly like sonic adventure 2, skies of Arcadia, phantasy star online, and illbleed just to name a few
That GFuel tower might someday end up being taller than Muta.
@Louielolbruh bye 👋
The GFuel tower is going be as tall as The Eiffel Tower
Unless he knocks it down again lmao
GFuel Tower of Babel
it is already by the looks of it
I miss the old days where gaming market was way more sincere instead of full of scam
Jesus my older brother could make a killing on his collection. He has a working unit for every mainstream console ever released in the US going all the way back to ColecoVision and a good amount of games for each one
Finally... Jeez, these million-dollar games have been kinda bad.
@Louielolbruh too much free time
@Louielolbruh get a life bro
@Louielolbruh bye
@@EightySix86. what did he say
@@silence___ Sadist shit
The retro gaming market is pretty fucked at this point, top to bottom. The WATA-Heritage situation, as messed up and potentially illegal as it is, is a symptom of the wider problem. I mean, even when you go lower down the price ladder and see games like, for example, Mario Kart: Double Dash, DBZ: BT3, etc., game disc only with nothing else, go for anywhere from $50 to over $100 on ebay even though there's like dozens or even hundreds of listings for these games at any given time and they're not fucking rare by any means (especially with, again, just the disc), it really discourages many prospective game collectors from even trying to start. Wouldn't surprise me if many of those listings had shill bidding too. It's why I stopped not just collecting, but stopped selling my retro games (other than trading them in at local stores for whatever price they give me; idgaf about what price it is) long ago. I didn't want to have any part in this greedy sham circlejerk of a system where I'd have to give up/ask for (depending on if I'm buying or selling) a damn kidney just for a copy of Wii Sports or some shit while poor shaming those who choose to emulate due to the insane prices as "evil cyber terrorist peasants".
Things were pretty damn bad pre-pandemic as Muta and others have pointed out in older videos, but since the pandemic started and the scalpers kicked things up a gear, it made shit even worse.
That's why I almost exclusively buy shitty DS games. No one wants them, so they're ridiculously cheap, and due to the super low cost, whatever masochistic fun I get out of it is way more worth it than (genuine) fun by collecting cartridges.
It did stop my brother and me from finishing our GameCube collection. Now we just look for obscure ones we played as kids bc the popular ones are so pricey
Wait till it gets like horror VHS tapes. They frequently break $1,000 now.
All the GCN games I own together are worth almost 2 grand. I got the platinum 2 controller Double Dash bundle from 03 not for resale case
its so full of people just wanting to get rich from it its the worst, cant even buy old stuff to play it
I stopped retro game buying after I went a little overboard buying stuff from overseas. Here's a tip: if the shipping cost costs more than the retro system itself, don't buy it. Buy local and buy cheap. Or emulate.
Pov: you work a barely above minimum wage job and just wants to enjoy a hobby you've been doing all your life because you genuinely enjoy it
Rich people: I don't think so
U can sell out and quit your job
“Stop emulating games”. Yeah, no 😂😂 it’s legit just another reason to do that
I'll stop emulating games when...well, actually, I'll NEVER stop emulating games!
The console/gaming industry is old, but I think the collectors market has really only opened up in the last 15 years. And because it is so young, the buying power and demand hasn't reached the insane prices of trading card/toy collectors. I personally think they are forcing an inflation of prices to meet that market rather than let it grow naturally. The high prices they are seeking will come eventually, but clearly some people are too impatient.
i honestly see the retro game bubble bursting once we get to 7th or 8th gen being considered retro. it's where digital distribution really opened up on top of those being the gens where alot companies started porting & re-releaseing their older catalog of games.
sure collectors could always try to sell you on the authenticity of playing on the original hardware and not every digital storefront lasts forever but unless game companies start pulling out a "reserved list" on their older games why would i buy a copy of a $5000 game that i could get digitally for less than a fraction of that price that's widely available on everything i own?
@@xsoultillerx Emulation moment
No it’s not about being impatient, it’s about greed. Don’t be so naïve
@@V1CT1MIZED Umm I said that. Did you not read my post? What do you think high prices means?
"The high prices they are seeking will come eventually, but clearly some people are too impatient."
Collectible items that are no longer being manufactured have a natural attrition to supply, & of course supply in part dictates price. But it isn't the ONLY thing dictating price, public interest plays a part too.
There are certain types of antique furniture, hundreds of years old, that sells for significantly less than it did a few decades ago... because it isn't to Millennials taste (AKA the current market of furniture buyers). Carnage Heart was a fairly rare PS1 title... you can still get it for $10 because it was also never that popular. Ditto the complete set of Tailgunner Jo (comic book, because I'm pretty sure you never heard of it) I got a few years ago... rare, 40 years out of print... got it for less than $10 because only a very few wackos like me even know it exists.
A lot of these vendors are going to learn the law of the flea market jungle... you have to price merchandise so it sells in order to earn money; and maintaining a storefront for something which DOESN'T sell costs you money in & of itself, 'storefront' here being anything ranging from a craigslist, to a stall in a flea market, to space on a website. Doesn't matter, you have to pay for some facility to sell the thing, and you have to pay for whatever/whereever you are storing the thing until you sell it.
Oh my god he's seriously gotten better. I didn't notice before, but looking at it now, our lad is actually taking care of himself very well. Well done man.
Glad you brought this up! some smaller gaming channels have been bringing this up for years now, But glad that you brought it to light with your huge audience. I stopped collecting a few years back now because its just ridiculous now.
I love the retro community and trying to collect games I love. However for years I've known it's been BS with price gouging/increases on common games and systems that sold millions. Everyone on Facebook thinks their original non working gameboy is worth 50-90$... It's honestly turned me off of the hobby. I just hope the damn bubble bustes soon and prices go back to normal.
Also one thing I do want to point out is that alot of systems are well over 35 yrs old now. They need to matenice/repairs/caps replaced if you want to keep them working. That can cost you alot is money as well.
Aye I've rambled on enough. Keep up the good work Muta. 👍
One day we watched the last haunted gaming and never knew :’(
@Louielolbruh your mom never loved you. she smoked when she was pregnant with you and you will mean nothing to anyone. your family is disappointed in you
@@schztinky2820 what did they say
@@lukereyes6266 something about technoblade. some asshole keeps spamming in the comments about how technoblade deserves his cancer.
@@schztinky2820 oh ok, i found one that wasnt deleted and kinda did something😅😅😅
@@schztinky2820 wait technoblade has cancer
If someone pays, it’s “worth it”.
Prices are too high when a people stop paying them.
The frustration is secretly over people’s willingness to pay. If nobody paid, nobody would care about the price that was asked.
Thank you. This is my point with vintage guitars and cars. It’s worth what someone is willing to pay. So much stuff just sits unsold.
It's not just retro games. Other collectible markets are manipulated in the same way.
Karl is an absolute legend
Absolute...
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Legend
Goldeneye Goat, for sure.
@Louielolbruh Louielolbruh when are you gonna play suicide? Remember the game I told you to play on your gaming channel that’s now deleted?
@@necro9541 Hes well aware people want him to die, so he is letting it all come to him, he enjoys watching the community expose him, he don't care nor does he even consider the fact that HES A FUCKING SADIST!
Since CZcams's system is only run by robots, we can only hope and pray that he eventually gets the hammer and every time he shows up again, they do it again.
They need to filter all possible alts that he may have to erradicate his precense for good and get him arrested.
@Thx ❤ wow quit spamming
You forgot to point out that to co-chairmen of heritage was caught fined and convicted of doing this with the coin market in the 80s
While, that is damning it doesn't mean he is doing it now though, right.
Who knows. Eventually we will know
i hope so
Thank you for bringing attention to this! More people need to find out about this
Great video. As a collector of McFarlane NHL, NFL & MLB figures and I have series 2 of Austin Powers with the box set. They're over 20yrs but many of my later series figures won't be for another 12yrs or so but sell sell for hundreds of dollars some sell for thousands like figures with autographed baseplates which I have a few of. Fantavision is a collector of classic games and has mentioned it many times and I think the both of you making a collab video on this would be awesome. Two of my favorite CZcamsr's. I started watching Fanta for his Tales from Retail series and started watching Muta for his famed Deep Web Exploration series but ended up loving both of you guys and your content!
I kinda figured it was bullshit when I was seeing shit I owned and EVERYONE owned being worth more than a couple bucks. This shit's not as rare as they make it out to be.
Yeah "hidden" gems
Hedge fund tech bros taking over another hobby and killing it.
Us Runescape players are like, Shill auction? "Hey, I've seen this one!"
Lol this entire video just made me think of merching rares.
Stuff like this is the reason eBay needs better seller blocking features, to help hide overpriced listings from search results.
Do you also collect G Fuel? You got stacks of containers, and I can't tell if it's a part of your decor or what.
Collecting G Fuel is lit, yo
@Louielolbruh yes terminal illness is funny, I laughed, is that what you want? Do you want attention for making a joke about a terminal disease? Man I absolutely am on my floor rolling about this joke that you made about a human being diagnosed with a terminal illness that will slowly kill him, and painful chemotherapy. In fact I’m sharing this comment with my entire family and friends. The kids and grandma think it’s funny too. Thank you for the laughs
@@jadecresil4973 he is spamming that everywhere
@@akiradkcn Given the fact that I have lost family to Cancer, and one of my friends who is a fan of Technoblade lost a dog to cancer. I think that the person spamming deserves to be reported for this kind of thing. Cancer isn't a joke.
@@fr0stdr4ke95 already got taken down
I'm lucky enough my family kept their old systems, like the n64. This is getting outrageous now.
Lol in my house still kept our PS1 and 2
We still have ours, but it's kinda damaged solely from wear and tear. We have trouble getting cartridges to start sometimes because they're a little wiggly.
Sad. I had a SNES, Mega drive and Game Gear. They all broke overtime.
@@TwoNumbahNiens Sega moment lol
All jokes aside, that's tragic. I hope you can get some good prices for them so you can play the games again
I still have a 64 but never owned Super Mario 64.... and i probably never will Def not going to pay 30-100 dollars for a cartridge game that is almost 30 years old
I like collecting games, but I'm so annoyed with these prices. I don't collect games to brag about owning them. I collect them to play them. At the very most, I'll collect a few games just to display them, but I don't do that often.
I died at collecting lawsuits like Dragonballs, god Muta and Charlie are the masters of one liners
Karl's video was really interesting. I definitely think some of these unopened rare games should be valuable but the prices are completely arbitrary.
Tbh zoomers won't pay such crazy high prices when they have ROMs so I expect a massive crash when millennials and gen X stop caring about this stuff.
Like modern art, I see this as a way to clean dirty money.
That being said, a sealed copy should be between 4-8 times the value of a loose copy of a game. Graded sealed games to me was always stupid because they grade the literal plastic wrap. But it can add value up to 10x from a sealed copy. If that is the case, there is no mario game that is going to be valued at more than a few thousand dollars.
I have to give you credit for being the one to finally convince me to get out of retro collecting. Just look me a long time to realize how little I actually play the cartridges vs just emulating them. Having said that, I'm selling before the whole market collapses.
@oh darn, it’s me why? did they kill your family?
@oh darn, it’s me collecting is fine. The bad thing is hoarding retro games to bump up the price
@oh darn, it’s me blame the system, not the player
Thanks for covering this, I really don't know more people aren't talking about this!!
If you're driven away from collecting by the prices of everything, maybe look into some tactics that some collectors employ to get games cheap. Retro Rick has a super entertaining series on YT for example on how he gets games called the "10 dollar game collection" which I've personally been loving but I'm sure there are many other examples out there, or just generally look at thrift stores, opshops, flea markets etc. It takes a lot more effort, patience and time, but could be worth looking into?
Deniz Khan, his last name even sounds similar to the word Con
The gengis khan of the games industry
I think thats how you spell the name
I'm officially done with collecting. If there are retro games I want to play. I'll just buy it off Steam or gog if available or just emulate it.
We need someone who can make high quality repros that help drive down the prices of retro games. I know its not completely possible with disc based games, but with cartridge based systems it would at least allow people that want to buy some of those higher price games at a reasonable price.
gen 4 pokemon bootleg makers do a great job
For carts manufacturers would still need to secure copyright permission to be able to legally sell repros in most cases.
I agree that cheaper alternatives to the original physical release copies will help control price... but the best option is actually to encourage interest from folks like Sega, Nintendo, etc. in their older titles. Black market copies (unlicensed repros, ROMS, etc) aren't going to do that. Some people are always going to get hung up on the legality issue, & the rights-holders will go after any pirate who becomes to notorious. Meanwhile the presence of the black market cannibalizes sales of legit remakes... which makes the rights holders less likely to keep making remakes.
While a lot of folks don't want to hear it, the best option to actually encourage better retro gaming options is to shell out for remakes & re-releases, & then complain vociferously about any quality problems. Anything else either requires illegal activity which naturally limits commercial interest, or overturning the relevant copyright law, which is not going to happen anytime soon.
That's already been a thing for 5+ years. Chinese repro market for cartridges is huge.
Muta I love these investigation videos you do. I think you're smart enough and, more importantly, thorough enough to crank out plenty of these quality exposé pieces. Good job bro
Pat Contri and Ian Ferguson have been calling out this stuff for a couple years now on their podcast. I'm glad it's finally picking up steam
Not a huge fan of Pat but he knows his shit when it comes to this.
@Jinxed Swashbuckler - yeah he took his NWC carts on the show lmao
@Jinxed Swashbuckler yeah, but he's since given them a lot of shit for their "experts" and other aspects of the show
Two guys that helped cause the situation.
@Jinxed Swashbuckler no, he just tried to sell something once
The shill bidding was such a tiny part of that video and in my opinion the least damning. The direct connections between these companies and proof of privileges given to employees as well as refusing to release the number of graded copies are the most damning in my opinion
Reminds me of the game Shadow Hearts that I had for PS2.
I traded it in for about $5 store credit at game stop. Now it’s worth $70 apparently, and $1000 new in box.
Rarity caused a spike in that games price, unfortunately.
Two thoughts:
1. One of the reasons why old comics are expensive is because they were printed on low-grade paper and thought of as disposable, similar to a newspaper. As a consequence, there aren't that many left. Is it at all possible that older games have gotten pricier in part because copies are gradually breaking down, meaning that there are fewer and fewer of them around?
2. The value of a thing is determined by what people are willing to pay. Is it possible that old games are selling for more because more people are willing to pay? If NES games are getting to be stupidly expensive, that could be an effect of the fact that an increasing number of people who are nostalgic for that era of gaming now have the disposable income to buy all the stuff they wanted when they were kids. Then there's the fact that gaming and game collecting are increasingly mainstream, and that collecting stuff is one of the main ways people participate in geek culture. Thanks to sites like Ebay, it's also much easier to find old games to bid on, and you're not restricted to local shops and auction houses. Game collectors back in the day would only be competing against other game collectors in their area. These days, they're competing against the entire world. Non-collectors are also more likely to know that there's a market for these things, meaning that it's harder to get good deals by taking advantage of people's ignorance.
1. No, not yet in any meaningful way. Give it a few decades. Disks will go first, then carts will follow.
2. Yeah, that is just normal markets. Lots of factors led to this all. I thought collecting was getting expensive in 2017 when I slowed down. But now everything I have has pretty much doubled or tripled in price.
I just collect games causally I'm not super worried about it being in the original case with a manual.
As long as it's in good shape and it runs that's good enough for me.
It's getting harder and harder to collect, even at thrift shops they are starting to go by eBay "prices". I just want to play some old games on original hardware, emulation is starting to look better and better.
It depends on the system, for me. Obviously, PS1 ought to be complete, because the manual is part of the case artwork, but on other systems that packaged games differently, I rarely give a crap, but I prefer having the cases for disc games. If it was carts, I wouldn't care so much if it was cart only. Doesn't matter, though. The way PS1 is currently in the US, I can't get anything else I want complete, so I'm not going to try for now.
@@hperez2k Other than emulation on PC, you can always mod your consoles to play on native hardware. All consoles I own are modded and it's really nice to have all the games "inside" the console, whether it's reading from an sd card, usb or hdd. Boot the console, go to the menu, pick the game and have fun.
Though consoles that have excellent emulation like the PS1, it's better and more comfortable to just emulate instead. These run well even on potato PCs.
Just to clarify if it does come in the original case with a manual that's great.
But because that's becoming really difficult and expensive I'm not super worried about it as long as the cartridge or disc is in good condition that's what matter the most in my opinion.
Everything that can be collected has been ruined.
Muta has officially moved his recording set up to the heaven 🙌 🙏
Give God the good word about this community king 🤴
Fun fact: a game store that i used to go to had a cib saturn tomb raider priced at $60. At the same time that game was there, I saw the exact same game, cib for $33. There was some cracks in the case and the side art was faded, but that is not a 27 dollar difference. Turns out the store selling it for 60 doesn't use priceharting because it's "too cheap", while the other does and lowers the price if the game is damaged.
I have collected NES and SNES games since I was a little kid. It was one of my favorite hobbies but now it is way too expensive to collect actual games. So now I tend to collect homebrews and ROM hacks physical copies. I would love to get back into collecting actual official games but morons drove the prices up of them making it so it is 100% not worth it.
Did muta just confirm he’s a gamer😳😳😳😳
I knew he was oppressed 😔
@@mortenera4423 No need to call yourself out
@Louielolbruh bye! Lol
@@mortenera4423 No inflammatory comments please
@@EnaTenkiyoGamer They're gone now
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Great video. Thanks for the information. 👍
I'm glad you made a video about this Muta. I love Karl Jobst, and his video was really insightful. I'm happy it's being noticed.
We need to stop letting them hide behind the "private collector" label. When a game sells for $2 million, we should have the right to know who it was that paid that much for it. When the record-setting sale goes to the owner of the auction house who sold it, that's a clear conflict of interest and obvious evidence of fraud.
Anyone who thinks that a copy of Super Mario Brothers is worth $2 million is an idiot. Nobody wants the game that badly, whether it's sealed or not.
I happen to know that some of the merch sold at Heritage gets bought by the execs of that company. It's possible they're buying high to pump their numbers and drum up publicity. I don't think that's illegal, but I guess someone could call it fraud.
@@TheEnmineer I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they're doing, creating "record sales" to pump up the prices of video games. The thing is, when SMB on NES sells for $2 million, that increases the prices of ALL vintage games because it gives the illusion that games can sell for ridiculous amounts of money AND are only going to increase in value (this is true to some extent, but they're not a financial investment like stocks or bonds and there's no guarantee that any particular game will be worth a lot of money in the future).
And if that's what they're doing, it's absolutely fraud. They are representing the value of the game by selling it to themselves, and the rating company is endorsing it as a legitimate sale. That's no different than if I were to put my sealed copy of Hackers on Blu-Ray on ebay and then bought it with a sock account for a million dollars and then claimed that it's now worth a million dollars (except I would actually have to pay the auction fees, whereas these people don't because they OWN the auction house).
And why do I have a sealed copy of Hackers on Blu-Ray? Well, I was so excited to find out it finally got a re-release that I accidentally ended up buying two of them. In 20 years I'll be a millionaire!
But seriously, yes, it's absolutely fraud, and it's totally illegal. Remember, every game that Heritage sells that is illegitimately priced means more money for Heritage at the time of sale. I highly recommend, if you haven't yet, watching Karl Jobst's video on the subject. He did a great job of explaining it in detail. I'm going to post a link to it and hope that CZcams doesn't nuke my comment like they have been lately: czcams.com/video/rvLFEh7V18A/video.html
@@rars0n Ah, well, it's not Heritage selling and then buying back the games, or whatever product. All I'm saying is that I have witnessed a large number of items that the execs buy and keep for themselves. That, and I can see a motive for one of them buying high despite the low personally perceived value.
@@TheEnmineer "Keep for themselves." Even if they're doing that, it's still fraud. Because nobody in their right mind would bid so high unless they wanted to inflate prices, which is exactly what they're doing.
@@rars0n All I'm saying is that it's plausible. Not that it's the case.
I found out years ago just how scummy some the retro collection market could be, when I went to a mall and found Mario Kart and ALTTP on sale for $75. Funny enough, those prices are probably way more common now, even if they're still bullshit. I'm not sure if I'll ever get into collecting again at this rate...
I gave up on collecting because of this. It went from being fun to reminding me that I have too little money and way more pressing things to pay for.
Scalpers really ruined ever
@@NineToFiveGamerUC0079 Scalpels are nothing but bottom feeding parasites who prey a person's fomo.
These last few years I had been frequenting my local Goodwill and buying a ton of 6th-7th Gen, PC, PS1 and GBA games that would randomly come in, and I bought em for dirt cheap. There used to be a TON that would come in, too.
But the past year or so, the number of games that have showed up at Goodwill have dried up to almost nothing.
Great doc, saw it when Karl released it and it made me rewatch Muta's vid from few weeks back when the 2mil mario news broke. Now things have come full circle
Some Gamers: collect physical copy of games for their collection
Idk why me: Keeps original receipt of games I bought from GameStop
@Louielolbruh (You)
Bruh moment
Muta keeps looking younger every episode, than in a month from now he'll look older than he really is.
I bet he finally reached Max Level sorcery for this sorcery.
Very similar to what's been going on in the [antique/collectors'] firearms market the last several years. Costs of common older rifles like the SKS, etc. have skyrocketed for no more reason than what amounts to artificial inflation.
As a person who doesnt collect games BUT collects from discontinued toy lines, I more often than not see a jump in price when it comes to stuff I truly do want to collect on the internet. I resorted to wishing and going to flea markets and thrift stores for prices super cheap from owners who know nothing about what they are selling, its saddening to see people resorting to stop collecting games in general because of the price increase and competition surrounding the finds that are not just rare but honestly common games.
An interesting theory/unhinged conspiracy theory I hear on Reddit alot is that retro gaming is going to turn into a money laundering market more then a collector's market like traditional art is now.
That’s already what’s happening. Watch the video this one is covering and it becomes clear.
Dont care how much more Silent Hill 2’s price skyrockets. I’m keeping my ps2 copy
This is happening in many markets. Trading card games, retro games, computer parts. Everything is being scalped to death, even car dealerships are charging over MSRP.
i love how you always have a blurple growlight setting the mood
That Karl jost’s vid was really good, explaines everything so a dummy like me understands without prior knowledge about the subject
1:30 you know, the fact that i watch EVERY SINGLE VIDEO of karl jobst and i didnt know this video existed. speaks volumes.
I myself has recently started collecting games from my childhood, and systems that I missed out on, and it’s depressing with some of the prices. I think the last game I was looking for was Super Mario Sunshine for the GameCube? Can’t get one unless I’m payin between $50-$80 for it. I remember seeing copies of it going for $5 in GameStop’s just a few years ago. Now I’m aware I could just emulate the games I want, and I can, I would still like to get the game physically because I enjoy having a collection of games I enjoy on a shelf. Might just be me, but will have to deal with it I suppose…
I sold my entire collection of Pokémon games, generation 1-8 everything. Box and everything. For 200 dollars usd. I felt pretty stupid for selling it. Not because I could’ve gotten more money out of it, but because I’m sure whoever bought my collection is probably a scumbag scalper now that I’m realizing. Here I was hoping some kid would buy the collection and actually play it and not just shelf it or oversell. They’re good games, but it’s not 200 dollars each good.
🥲🥲🥲
As to how I got the collection, back when Pokémon X and Y were new, no one wanted the 4th and 5th gen games. NO ONE. I’m serious. I bought black, white, black 2 and white 2 for 5 dollars. All together. No they’re not mint, but they weren’t chewed by dogs. Yes in box. No joke. No one wanted them. Hgss was a bit dicey at 25-30 dollars but diamond pearl and platinum were going for 5-15 dollars. Maybe I just got lucky but yeah, they weren’t wanted when the next gen games came out. Same thing happened to the 3ds games too, actually. But I sold those too LOL
The game on NES that sold the least copies, is the rarest NES game.
I would say that while you have point, what if all the copies of that game that sold the least were persevered the most and thus more copies of that game still remain than a game that may have sold more but over the years, more and more copies of it have been trashed and lost. I think a more correct statement would be that he rarest game is the one currently has the fewest copies still in circulation at the present.
Buy high, sell low. This is how you can maximize your profits from these games.
Isn’t that a loss for you?
For a loss sure
I've been a retro collector for a long time. And I have watched as prices have been skyrocketing the past decade. The past five years prices have really jumped. I always figured it had to do with new waves of collectors due to CZcams, social media, etc. influence. I knew the Grading companies were out there, but had no idea how much they were effecting the entire marketplace.
I got Melee at a swapmeet, case and booklets and all for $40 back in 2015. Now you can’t even get just the disc for under that.
Why dont you start your own market you have a good collection Muta
Mutahar Auctions
And called it "
SomeOrdinaryMarket"
@Louielolbruh deserves what?
That would be epic ngl
@@bobtatbootcat1305 He has cancer.
To be honest, I thought the title was talking about scam coins making low effort games for NFTs or something
I still don't understand what NFTs are
@@rawrdino7046 NFTs are non-fungible tokens that are presented as in images. They have some sort of digital signature, thus making different from a jpeg image, and via that you can sell it for any price, and is one of the main sources for money laundering.
@@forzenzero9846 that sounds very stupid
@@QWERTY-gp8fd that is just in my perspective
The crazy retro pricing is why I still seek original hardware, but now look into multicarts as an option. Regarding both Xbox One and PS4, all purchases have been digitally. The failing CD drives prevalent in all consoles is why I only buy digitally now. Good video.