good discussion and respect to Aaron as he held up a really good discussion and both sides were listening and taking in what they each said. you don't get this a lot at the park as many people come one track and come as if they are 100 percent right.
You all prolly dont care but does any of you know a trick to get back into an Instagram account? I somehow forgot my account password. I love any tips you can give me!
be positive , many nations have this transation as an expression of respect , im Arabian by the way , and if you offer me a bottle of water i will take it , i consider this as an appreciation and it means yourself and what you are offering is a significant to me although it may appear a simple thing , and in some cases it's desrespect to refuse , and our prophet Muhammad sayd give gifts to each other that spread love , and bellive or not it's our duty as Muslims to give presents for decent disbelievers Wich they are (moalafat qolubohom)
@@Alserany Haha that's true. It's considered an insult in some countries to turn down an offer. But the comment is still funny. He didn't bounce... He came back
Nobody would have a problem with Muslims if they act like Shabir the aggressive ones give Islam a bad name. Shabir we have different opinions but you’re a good man GOD BLESS YOU!!!
Here are some of the verses from the Holly Quran regarding some points raised in the discussion: Aal-Imran( 96 ) Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Makkah - blessed and a guidance for the worlds. Al-Baqara ( 127 ) And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael, [saying], "Our Lord, accept [this] from us. Indeed You are the Hearing, the Knowing. Al-Baqara ( 144 ) We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
Abu Musa i dont know. is that important in islam? or can you answer how old was Abraham when he laid the foundation? in the bible it tells us how old he is, and when Isaac was born. AND WHEN Ishmael was sent away from Abraham. so his age in the bible says Ishmael was only 9 yrs old at this time and Abraham was how old? is there an answer in the koran? or how does islam explain his age?
Abu Musa , the bible says Abraham was 99 when Isaac was born and Ishmael was 9. so how long did Abraham wait for Isaac to be old enough to travel 1000km? does the koran tell you how many men it told to build this holy building? and how long did it take? for the bible states Abrahams wife died and was buried in a cave he bought. and when Abraham was old and about to die. he sent his servant to Shem's land (Noah's 1st born son whom he pasted on his BLESSING FROM YHVH) when Isaac was between the ages of 12 to 16. after Isaac married. which means Abraham was to old to travel 100km north to receive a wife for his son Isaac. so how does islam explain how old was Abraham and how long did Abraham take in building this building?
Abu Musa , because of Abraham's age and oldness dictates weather or not he build a building 1000km away from where he lived. and according to Isaac birth and receiving a wife puts Abraham at about 112 and to old to travel 100 km north to receive a wife for Isaac. so how does islam explain when, how long and what age was this building built? do you know how many blocks were hewd to make the 1st building?
Abu Musa from the text surrounding the verses you posted. tells us Sariah sent Hagar away before Ishmael was born. then was sent back to Abraham. then Ishmael was how old? when he was circumcised by Abraham? then YHVH TELLS Abraham next year Sarah will give birth to Isaac. and then Ishmael and Hagar were sent away after Isaac was whined. about 2 years old. these numbers are close to being true be the events. and lets take Abraham at the age of 50 to say that is when Ishmael was born. this still makes Abraham 67-69 years old. and he was still in canaan when his wife died. then sent his servant to Shem's land for a wife. but all this is from the bible. so how do muslims explain Abraham's age, travel, hewing (how many) blocks to make this holy building?
Well learned man. His convictions hold him back from shahada. InshAllah that change will come to his heart. It's too bad their dialogue was cut short by the guy at the end. It seemed as though the man Shabir was talking to really didn't wanna end the conversation. (Unless he texted there guy "hey come save me from this debate" haha just playing)
awan dalu “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says: “The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.” The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq. The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is. But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black. From the book: “the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
Suleyman Yunus “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says: “The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.” The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq. The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is. But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black. From the book: “the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
Newone Very “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says: “The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.” The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq. The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is. But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black. From the book: “the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
In the beginning, every religion is rooted from tauhid, then by times people changed it intentionally untill it was completely different from the original one (which is tauhid). But Islam came to correct every teaching and ritual into the approved one by the God himself, back to the pure form.
There were Christians (kadijah, Mohammed first wife and her uncle) and Jewish people living in The Arabian peninsula for centuries and mentioned and never bowed down to the black stone or performed the tawaf. Check it out for yourself. Also Mohammed (even though belonged to the Sub clan of the Quareish tribe and his father -Abdullah- was the key holder and in charge of maintance of the kabba) was facing Jerusalem during prayers. The direction of prayers (the Kibla)only changed in Medina (then known as Yatrib) when the Jewish tribes refused to believe he was a prophet. Because of that, there is only one Mosque in the world which has 2 kiblas.
“Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says: “The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.” The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq. The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is. But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black. From the book: “the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
Suleyman Yunus “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says: “The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.” The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq. The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is. But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black. From the book: “the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
For many this video might be showing that no answer was given, when infact brother Shabir was trying to show the basis as to why brother Aaron says kissing the stone or going around the Kaaba are not pagan traditions. The unfortunate it fortunate part is that Shabir never tells you the conclusion, he leads you to it, so this is why it takes time, May Allah guide brother Aaron and God bless you bro Shabir.
First of all, idolatry is: the worship of a physical object as a god Therefore, it is impossible for the kissing of a black stone to be considered idolatry. We do not consider it, nor the Kaaba, to be God. It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are *only a stone* which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had *seen the Prophet* (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.” We do what the prophet did, thats it really. Why do we go around the Kaaba 7 times anticlockwise? The prophet did it. Why? He came with 10,000 unarmed Muslims to essentially say "this is ours now and it is a place of monotheism, the pagans can no longer circumvent it", and they all uncovered their right arm to show their strength just in case the pagans thought of attacking. It is pretty much a ritual to show the success of the Muslims in turning the Kaaba and Makkah to a monotheistic land.
You completely missed his point. He said that those customs (circling 7 times around Kaaba anti-clockwise and kissing the stone) predated The Holy Quran but more importantly were pagan customs, not participated by the people of the book that time nor there were any scripture to advice for it. Quite a powerful statement and something worth looking in to.
G00dwILLHuNt1n9 Exactly. And even though there were Christians (kadijah, Mohammed first wife and her uncle) and Jewish people, they never bowed down or even mentioned following the tawaf. Check it out for yourself. Also Mohammed (even though belonged to the Sub clan of the Quareish tribe and his father -Abdullah- was the key holder and in charge of maintance of the kabba) was facing Jerusalem during prayers. The direction of prayers (the Kibla)only changed in Medina (then known as Yatrib) when the Jewish tribes refused to believe he was a prophet. Because of that, there is only one Mosque in the world which has 2 kiblas.
Brother Shabir why don't you use the Dr Zakir's style .. your have to say a lot to get to the point.. Just discuss and present the incidents and signs mentioned in Holy Quran. It's the best effective and shortest way to make your point Infront of such encounters and to the ones who are seekers. Jazaak Allah. Allah SWT knows best.
They actually do. Trace the history of name changes(something you shouldn't do yet they do anyway) and you'll find a dirty trail of people messing around with those books. Old translations used to say Bakka in the Bible and the Quran refers to Makka as Bakka in a verse. Some claim Abraham was never in makka, but you will find verses referencing a fountain of water after him traveling south meaning what is today zamzam springs. Paran is another example of how they changed the name so people wouldn't know yet you can Google that it was agreed on that Paran meant Makka by Christian scholars meaning Abraham was there according to their own book. How about this, Hebrew and Greek have no lowercase lettering, so how is it that selective words use uppercase lettering? Perhaps more important is the fact that we don't have the originals so who knows what else has been changed during the 350 year gap between Jesus and the first full manuscript. I could go on and on as for the reasoning, but it's basically they messed around with their book but traces of it are still there. You can read more in depth hear islamqa.info/en/204341 at the end he says something I have to quote "one of the most famous of contemporary history books, The Story of Civilization, by Will Durant. This book is composed of forty-two volumes in which the author discusses the history of most civilizations, including the history of the Arabian Peninsula, concerning which he says: “It (the Ka‘bah) was built the fourth time by Abraham and Ishmael, his son from Hagar." Allah knows best. Keep seeking knowledge and asking questions, the answer are there.
The modern day bibles are altered to a high degree. Something bible scholars freely admit. Another thing your question is already incorrect. It’s not Torah OR Bible. The ‘Bible’ is made up of the Torah (Old Testament) and the Gospel (New Testament). Saying the Bible OR Torah is an incorrect understanding of Christian scripture to begin with. Either you’re greatly lacking in knowledge or are just an imbecile. Probably both
EmeraldDiamond3 you don't have to be that picky for arguments sake lol gotta take it slowly one step at a time. This person may be honestly looking for an honest answer and knowledge
This guy Aaron knows his stuff, Bro Shabir asking for rituals that pre-existed the revelation and to analyse if there was any truth in this is a little rich. Under pressure to justify 'extra-Qur'anic' rituals he is spinning the same yarn that the Christians, Jews, Hindus do.
That no issues wheather you want to kiss that a hadhist I think the second khalifah of Islam what he says is important just kiss because the prophet do so if not of the prophet he will never kiss actually that a lot of meaning what I'm trying to say a main thing is our 5 pillar and our 6 believing....Wallahualam
Deuteronomy 4:15-31 Idolatry Forbidden 15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the Lord took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.
Jesus statues are made of stone too. It has features, curvatures and shapes. Evident in rio de janeiro and churches around the world. They kneel and say their prayers to it. The Kaaba is a Monolith it resembles nothing it doesn't represent anything. It's a geographical location like a pinpoint in google earth.
badu Joshua for the love of god we dont worship the kaaba or the black stone. Imagine having a stone from heaven ? Wont you wanna kiss it or atleast touch it.
be positive , many nations have this transation as an expression of respect , im Arabian by the way , and if you offer me a bottle of water i will take it , i consider this as an appreciation and it means yourself and what you are offering is a significant to me although it may appear a simple thing , and in some cases it's desrespect to refuse , and our prophet Muhammad sayd give gifts to each other that spread love , and bellive or not it's our duty as Muslims to give presents for decent disbelievers Wich they are (moalafat qolubohom)
This guy was here to win arguments and prove others wrong rather than to learn something new, he kept talking over shabir and assuming what the latter outcome of the discussion would be and made a fool of himself everytime he presumed
Khalid Hakimi “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says: “The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.” The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq. The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is. But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black. From the book: “the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
don't worry about who I am “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says: “The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.” The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq. The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is. But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black. From the book: “the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
This guy, Aaron, was different, In a good way.
Aiman Salman
No,not really
Aaron realised after the 25th min that he couldn't play his game with Shabir
good discussion and respect to Aaron as he held up a really good discussion and both sides were listening and taking in what they each said. you don't get this a lot at the park as many people come one track and come as if they are 100 percent right.
You all prolly dont care but does any of you know a trick to get back into an Instagram account?
I somehow forgot my account password. I love any tips you can give me!
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I can hear Brother Yusuf for 24 hours...non stop...☺️...May Allah bless you
Guy just took his coffee and bounced
Viral-O -Tek Ik right 😂🤦♂️😂🤦♂️😂
Lol ... I saw it and noted. ... total embarrassment
be positive , many nations have this transation as an expression of respect , im Arabian by the way , and if you offer me a bottle of water i will take it , i consider this as an appreciation and it means yourself and what you are offering is a significant to me although it may appear a simple thing , and in some cases it's desrespect to refuse , and our prophet Muhammad sayd give gifts to each other that spread love , and bellive or not it's our duty as Muslims to give presents for decent disbelievers Wich they are (moalafat qolubohom)
@@Alserany Haha that's true. It's considered an insult in some countries to turn down an offer. But the comment is still funny. He didn't bounce... He came back
Nobody would have a problem with Muslims if they act like Shabir the aggressive ones give Islam a bad name. Shabir we have different opinions but you’re a good man GOD BLESS YOU!!!
Peace be with you, thank you for your comments. May God guide us all to the truth.
Why do you worship a statue on a cross? 🤔
Here are some of the verses from the Holly Quran regarding some points raised in the discussion:
Aal-Imran( 96 ) Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Makkah - blessed and a guidance for the worlds.
Al-Baqara ( 127 ) And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael, [saying], "Our Lord, accept [this] from us. Indeed You are the Hearing, the Knowing.
Al-Baqara ( 144 ) We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
alfagulf , how old was Abraham when he laid the foundation?
Abu Musa i dont know. is that important in islam?
or can you answer how old was Abraham when he laid the foundation? in the bible it tells us how old he is, and when Isaac was born. AND WHEN Ishmael was sent away from Abraham. so his age in the bible says Ishmael was only 9 yrs old at this time and Abraham was how old?
is there an answer in the koran? or how does islam explain his age?
Abu Musa , the bible says Abraham was 99 when Isaac was born and Ishmael was 9.
so how long did Abraham wait for Isaac to be old enough to travel 1000km?
does the koran tell you how many men it told to build this holy building? and how long did it take?
for the bible states Abrahams wife died and was buried in a cave he bought. and when Abraham was old and about to die. he sent his servant to Shem's land (Noah's 1st born son whom he pasted on his BLESSING FROM YHVH) when Isaac was between the ages of 12 to 16. after Isaac married. which means Abraham was to old to travel 100km north to receive a wife for his son Isaac.
so how does islam explain how old was Abraham and how long did Abraham take in building this building?
Abu Musa , because of Abraham's age and oldness dictates weather or not he build a building 1000km away from where he lived.
and according to Isaac birth and receiving a wife puts Abraham at about 112 and to old to travel 100 km north to receive a wife for Isaac.
so how does islam explain when, how long and what age was this building built?
do you know how many blocks were hewd to make the 1st building?
Abu Musa from the text surrounding the verses you posted. tells us Sariah sent Hagar away before Ishmael was born. then was sent back to Abraham. then Ishmael was how old? when he was circumcised by Abraham? then YHVH TELLS Abraham next year Sarah will give birth to Isaac.
and then Ishmael and Hagar were sent away after Isaac was whined. about 2 years old.
these numbers are close to being true be the events. and lets take Abraham at the age of 50 to say that is when Ishmael was born. this still makes Abraham 67-69 years old. and he was still in canaan when his wife died. then sent his servant to Shem's land for a wife.
but all this is from the bible. so how do muslims explain Abraham's age, travel, hewing (how many) blocks to make this holy building?
Well learned man. His convictions hold him back from shahada. InshAllah that change will come to his heart.
It's too bad their dialogue was cut short by the guy at the end. It seemed as though the man Shabir was talking to really didn't wanna end the conversation. (Unless he texted there guy "hey come save me from this debate" haha just playing)
Shabir gets jariyah for his dawah and his coffee, sabr and ikhlas is the favour of Allah
Br Shabir ways of go along with other people reasoning is always awesome. But i think in same case its necessary to challenge them completely.
awan dalu “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says:
“The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.”
The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq.
The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is.
But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black.
From the book:
“the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
"im looking at the whole, before i look at the parts. Because if the whole doesnt make sense, i dispense with the parts."
Interesting conversation. He's brought up good questions
sweet combo once brother shabir says hi my name is shabir and he is done ...Allahuakbar
Suleyman Yunus “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says:
“The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.”
The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq.
The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is.
But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black.
From the book:
“the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
Aaron is looking for the concept - supra rational which premise is a intellectual assessment of evidence.
Did anyone hear the reason why he interrupted the discussion? Why he left?
Too bad it was good back and forth
its the Shabir shuffle...
Salaam brother Sabir you are my hero love you,,, 🌹❣️💞
He doesn't get it. The oldest belief practice found does not mean it is the source
Very courteous of brother Shabir to offer the coffee.
What is ice cube doing there in the red hoodie?!
These kemets keep forgetting that the house of worship the ka'abah was built before the idols came
Newone Very “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says:
“The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.”
The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq.
The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is.
But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black.
From the book:
“the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
29:27 ice-cube ?!
he ran off with his tea
Got it at last.. tq admin
In the beginning, every religion is rooted from tauhid, then by times people changed it intentionally untill it was completely different from the original one (which is tauhid). But Islam came to correct every teaching and ritual into the approved one by the God himself, back to the pure form.
Nice discussion BTW
There were Christians (kadijah, Mohammed first wife and her uncle) and Jewish people living in The Arabian peninsula for centuries and mentioned and never bowed down to the black stone or performed the tawaf. Check it out for yourself.
Also Mohammed (even though belonged to the Sub clan of the Quareish tribe and his father -Abdullah- was the key holder and in charge of maintance of the kabba) was facing Jerusalem during prayers. The direction of prayers (the Kibla)only changed in Medina (then known as Yatrib) when the Jewish tribes refused to believe he was a prophet. Because of that, there is only one Mosque in the world which has 2 kiblas.
Shabir is 💪🏽 🕋☪️🕋
for once shabir has a persom that is knowlegable to some point
“Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says:
“The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.”
The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq.
The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is.
But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black.
From the book:
“the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
Ice cube in the park
Ice cube is present at 26:27
smart and well informed but just a bit out of place ..
Suleyman Yunus “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says:
“The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.”
The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq.
The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is.
But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black.
From the book:
“the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
For many this video might be showing that no answer was given, when infact brother Shabir was trying to show the basis as to why brother Aaron says kissing the stone or going around the Kaaba are not pagan traditions. The unfortunate it fortunate part is that Shabir never tells you the conclusion, he leads you to it, so this is why it takes time, May Allah guide brother Aaron and God bless you bro Shabir.
Even when you are well read. You could still misguided if you are not blessed with hidayah.
Cut to the chase and answer the question!!!
First of all, idolatry is: the worship of a physical object as a god
Therefore, it is impossible for the kissing of a black stone to be considered idolatry. We do not consider it, nor the Kaaba, to be God.
It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are *only a stone* which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had *seen the Prophet* (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”
We do what the prophet did, thats it really. Why do we go around the Kaaba 7 times anticlockwise? The prophet did it. Why? He came with 10,000 unarmed Muslims to essentially say "this is ours now and it is a place of monotheism, the pagans can no longer circumvent it", and they all uncovered their right arm to show their strength just in case the pagans thought of attacking. It is pretty much a ritual to show the success of the Muslims in turning the Kaaba and Makkah to a monotheistic land.
The Batman
Nonsense, same thing about Christians, the trinity. Religion is just brainwashing.
You completely missed his point. He said that those customs (circling 7 times around Kaaba anti-clockwise and kissing the stone) predated The Holy Quran but more importantly were pagan customs, not participated by the people of the book that time nor there were any scripture to advice for it. Quite a powerful statement and something worth looking in to.
G00dwILLHuNt1n9 Well said.
The Batman Oxford English definition of the word IDOLATRY:
The worship of idols.
Extreme admiration, love or reverence for something or someone.
G00dwILLHuNt1n9 Exactly. And even though there were Christians (kadijah, Mohammed first wife and her uncle) and Jewish people, they never bowed down or even mentioned following the tawaf. Check it out for yourself.
Also Mohammed (even though belonged to the Sub clan of the Quareish tribe and his father -Abdullah- was the key holder and in charge of maintance of the kabba) was facing Jerusalem during prayers. The direction of prayers (the Kibla)only changed in Medina (then known as Yatrib) when the Jewish tribes refused to believe he was a prophet. Because of that, there is only one Mosque in the world which has 2 kiblas.
The video title should have be: "seeking the right path to believe in god"
Brother Shabir why don't you use the Dr Zakir's style .. your have to say a lot to get to the point.. Just discuss and present the incidents and signs mentioned in Holy Quran. It's the best effective and shortest way to make your point Infront of such encounters and to the ones who are seekers. Jazaak Allah. Allah SWT knows best.
Some people need their biases desconstructed.
Why does the Torah or Bible, or other scriptures not included in them, not speak of the Kabbah, when Abraham is so important to both of them?
Read your bible in Arabic then you will find Kabah mentioned there, Arab Christians know that...
They actually do. Trace the history of name changes(something you shouldn't do yet they do anyway) and you'll find a dirty trail of people messing around with those books. Old translations used to say Bakka in the Bible and the Quran refers to Makka as Bakka in a verse. Some claim Abraham was never in makka, but you will find verses referencing a fountain of water after him traveling south meaning what is today zamzam springs. Paran is another example of how they changed the name so people wouldn't know yet you can Google that it was agreed on that Paran meant Makka by Christian scholars meaning Abraham was there according to their own book.
How about this, Hebrew and Greek have no lowercase lettering, so how is it that selective words use uppercase lettering? Perhaps more important is the fact that we don't have the originals so who knows what else has been changed during the 350 year gap between Jesus and the first full manuscript.
I could go on and on as for the reasoning, but it's basically they messed around with their book but traces of it are still there.
You can read more in depth hear islamqa.info/en/204341 at the end he says something I have to quote
"one of the most famous of contemporary history books, The Story of Civilization, by Will Durant. This book is composed of forty-two volumes in which the author discusses the history of most civilizations, including the history of the Arabian Peninsula, concerning which he says: “It (the Ka‘bah) was built the fourth time by Abraham and Ishmael, his son from Hagar."
Allah knows best. Keep seeking knowledge and asking questions, the answer are there.
The modern day bibles are altered to a high degree. Something bible scholars freely admit. Another thing your question is already incorrect. It’s not Torah OR Bible. The ‘Bible’ is made up of the Torah (Old Testament) and the Gospel (New Testament). Saying the Bible OR Torah is an incorrect understanding of Christian scripture to begin with. Either you’re greatly lacking in knowledge or are just an imbecile. Probably both
EmeraldDiamond3 you don't have to be that picky for arguments sake lol gotta take it slowly one step at a time. This person may be honestly looking for an honest answer and knowledge
Ernest L. Peña. Nah. The moronic buffoon is a tommy Robinson and Tan ‘the ignorant stooge’ loving buffoon. Just click his name hahahahaha.
This guy Aaron knows his stuff, Bro Shabir asking for rituals that pre-existed the revelation and to analyse if there was any truth in this is a little rich. Under pressure to justify 'extra-Qur'anic' rituals he is spinning the same yarn that the Christians, Jews, Hindus do.
Its all about Fiqh, because many people is blind faith.
I find it funny this guy thinks he is smart but Shabir destroyed him in a beautiful way
showing off
Why do you have to kiss the stone is at 14:30
Ice Cobe in red listening closely. Ha,Ha,
I see Messi in The way of brother Shabir led the discussion
football players kiss the world cup after winning the tournament..is it mean they worship the cup?
He didnt explane it..,Idolopostasy is by definition kissing stones,rocks..,So that act in islam is showing idolopostasy in it..,
Explain how is it worship ? When its identified in any Islamic lecture as a god or it's not prayed to..Its kissed because its blessed
That no issues wheather you want to kiss that a hadhist I think the second khalifah of Islam what he says is important just kiss because the prophet do so if not of the prophet he will never kiss actually that a lot of meaning what I'm trying to say a main thing is our 5 pillar and our 6 believing....Wallahualam
Deuteronomy 4:15-31
Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the Lord took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.
Deut .29.16 .20 moses say if any man or women serve stone God the true God moses will blot out his name from under heaven all Muslim need to read
Jesus statues are made of stone too. It has features, curvatures and shapes. Evident in rio de janeiro and churches around the world. They kneel and say their prayers to it.
The Kaaba is a Monolith it resembles nothing it doesn't represent anything. It's a geographical location like a pinpoint in google earth.
badu Joshua for the love of god we dont worship the kaaba or the black stone. Imagine having a stone from heaven ? Wont you wanna kiss it or atleast touch it.
No one does that..
38:00
Poor shabir. ... your cup of tea gone with the idiot. Epic fail .whoever the guy is i don't like his character and nature. .....total embarrassment
be positive , many nations have this transation as an expression of respect , im Arabian by the way , and if you offer me a bottle of water i will take it , i consider this as an appreciation and it means yourself and what you are offering is a significant to me although it may appear a simple thing , and in some cases it's desrespect to refuse , and our prophet Muhammad sayd give gifts to each other that spread love , and bellive or not it's our duty as Muslims to give presents for decent disbelievers Wich they are (moalafat qolubohom)
The stone is a Shivling, full stop. Mystery solved
All religion falls apart when questioned.
Islam is not a religion
Ask the guestion not keep on talking.
This guy was here to win arguments and prove others wrong rather than to learn something new, he kept talking over shabir and assuming what the latter outcome of the discussion would be and made a fool of himself everytime he presumed
Khalid Hakimi “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says:
“The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.”
The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq.
The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is.
But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black.
From the book:
“the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “
This guy has arrogance in him.
Kissing the stone is a pagan practice no matter how you cover it.
Facts & Logic who said this?
Facts & Logic it's a shivling Bruh
But that stone just stone not god, that thing name is hajar aswad and stolen/lost for 23 years doesn't give big impact for our ritual at all.
so I will never kiss my son, perhaps it will turn me into a pagan, thanks for opening my eyes with *Facts & Logic*
don't worry about who I am “Most of the rites and ceremonies which form as it were the outward expression or the garb of Islam at the present day were practiced in the country from time immemorial. The Arabic historian Abdul Fida, treating of this subject, well says:
“The Arabs of the time of ignorance used to things which the religious law of Islam adopted; for they used not to wed their mothers or their or their daughters, and among them it was deemed a most detestable thing to marry two sisters; and they used to revile the man who married his father’s wife......; and they used to make the pilgrimage to the house (the Kabbah), and visit the holy places, and wear the ihram, and run (between the hills as Safa and Al Marwa) and stand at all stations and cast stones (at the devil in the valley of Mina); and they were wont To intercalate a month every third year.”
The same writer goes on to say that ceremonial washings, religious cleansing of the teeth, and circumcision were also in vogue among the Arabs long before Muhammad’s time. In this he is supported by many other Muhammad writers, among others by Ibn Ishaq.
The Kabba was already the central shrine of the whole Arabian nation in ages long anterior to Muhammad. One peculiar method of showing their devotion was running around the shrine in a state of nudity. Muhammad retained this ceremony of tawaf as it is called, but ordered them the pilgrims to perform it when when clad in a single garment. Into the wall of the kabba was built, at some distance from the ground, the famous hajaru’l Aswad or black stone - which pilgrims kissed in token of deep reverence of not of actual worship, just as they still continue to do at present. So many tales are related among Arabian traditions regarding the origin and history of this black stone, that is impossible to detail them all, or to decide what the truth of the matter is.
But in pre-Islamic Times, it was believed that this stone came down from Paradise, that it was originally of pure white colour m, but the sins of mankind or the touch of the ceremonially impure rendered it black.
From the book:
“the origins of Islam, the religion of the crescent “