The Secret Life of Gloria Guinness. The Socialite Spy

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  • čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
  • Step into the enigmatic world of Gloria Guinness, a name synonymous with the clandestine allure of high society and espionage in our new documentary, "The Socialite Spy." Born amidst the Mexican Revolution, Gloria evolved into a mesmerizing icon, mingling with the Nazi elite and dining with historical figures like Hitler, only to later align with American intelligence. Known for her stunning beauty and sophisticated fashion sense, she was not just a socialite but a rumored spy, navigating the treacherous waters of international intrigue. From rivalries with Babe Paley, to Jackie Kennedy, to affairs with the Nazi spymaster.
    This film delves into her remarkable life-from her early years in revolutionary Mexico to her transformation into a countess in Nazi Germany, and her subsequent entanglements in the world of espionage. We explore her role as a fashion icon who shaped trends and her interactions with Truman Capote's Swans, her mysterious wartime activities, and her glamorous yet controversial presence at the heart of 20th-century geopolitics.
    Join us as we unravel the layers behind the glamorous façade of Gloria Guinness, revealing a life filled with contradictions and challenges, marked by her relentless pursuit of power and influence. Discover how she became one of the most captivating figures of her era, leaving behind a legacy that continues to fascinate and provoke debate.
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  • @MythicMindScape21
    @MythicMindScape21  Před měsícem +45

    As much as possible I try to leave personal opinions and feelings out of the videos and simply tell the story of the people. I will say here though that, my personal feelings on Gloria are quite negative, she never criticized Hitler or the Reich and enjoyed herself when the Nazis were in power, then when it was clear the war was lost she got of there as fast as she could and found people to protect her from any problems. There is also evidence she actively assisted the Reich as a spy, though this has never been definitively confirmed. I hope you enjoy the stories, and I am eager to read your comments about her.

    • @TheFinalBoss316
      @TheFinalBoss316 Před měsícem +7

      Thank you, I appreciate your story telling style.

    • @pennybrathwaite5899
      @pennybrathwaite5899 Před měsícem +11

      It never does not amaze me that these women sell their souls so easily....

    • @kimallen9130
      @kimallen9130 Před měsícem

      A woman will do anything to please everybody and just to eat it is 2024 still men are never happy unless they own you so very sad the shit from the very beginning of time we are trash just saying.

    • @janetlamb6812
      @janetlamb6812 Před 17 dny

      Hitlers rise was of the time, Germany were repaying massive war reparations, then there was the depression, so the working class really were on their knees, You also need to remember at the time Jews were not allowed to vote or own land, so they lived mainly in cities. If I look at the protests today where Jews are once again being blamed for the problems in the middle east, if a Hitler came along now, every socialist would be backing them. You also have to remember Germany had a Liberal government, and unfortunately there attitude is live and let live, conservatism had lost its place, not every German who backed Hitler knew about his Jew, Gay, communist or fascist hate, he only tolerated Mussolini because he needed him. I think you need to look at circumstance and preservation of self as well.

  • @doreekaplan2589
    @doreekaplan2589 Před měsícem +35

    Clothes horse, serial cheater, shallow life, etc. Nuts

    • @MilosBrajkovic-rc3ik
      @MilosBrajkovic-rc3ik Před měsícem +11

      Dreadful woman...

    • @Dragonrdh
      @Dragonrdh Před 17 dny +3

      Yeah she appears to be a vapid, petty hypocrite and not inspirational at all.

  • @Mrrossj01
    @Mrrossj01 Před měsícem +25

    Like many of her peers, Gloria Guinness was a smoker, possibly to maintain her emaciated figure. Her death was possibly related to smoking. Not a mystery.

  • @stefaniemore3203
    @stefaniemore3203 Před měsícem +11

    Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis, born under the sun sign of Leo, with Scorpio rising, was, is and always be, the fashion icon, to end all fashion icons. Her personal magnetism made made it possible for her to look chic, even in a simple black top, white capris and sandals. And Mrs. Onassis attraction went beyond her physical appearance. She was brilliant. As a young girl, her favorite poet was Byron. But, she was born during the days when, "Men were men, and women took Valium." There was so much she played down in order to not "scare men away." Mrs. Guinness, unfortunately, sounds like an insecure high school girl who needed a bit too much reassurance. Did she really need to be such a b-with-a-itch to Mrs. Paley? Chronological age can so often differ, vastly, from a person's mental and emotional age.

  • @suzannestanley
    @suzannestanley Před měsícem +17

    Jackie was best of everyone and everything. ❤❤❤ Missed

    • @Luna.3.3.3
      @Luna.3.3.3 Před měsícem +6

      Agreed. When she was first lady, she had to be stylish and classic. When she was with Onassis, I think she had less pressure to look perfect than when she was First Lady.

  • @doonewatts7155
    @doonewatts7155 Před měsícem +11

    Truly beautiful narration. As to Gloria out for number one until she achieved the Guinness millions

  • @GK-up6xz
    @GK-up6xz Před měsícem +20

    Gloria’s mother ‘Never settle for second best’
    Gloria ‘Right! Line up all the men twice my age, the married men and the Nazis’

    • @AM-yi4dd
      @AM-yi4dd Před měsícem +1

      Girl don’t get jealous

    • @judiesuh6858
      @judiesuh6858 Před 12 dny

      Not jealous..
      Social climbing and security in $$$ marriages

  • @seymourclearly
    @seymourclearly Před měsícem +28

    People forget how popular facism was, not just in Germany, it had a lot of supporters worldwide

    • @1samanthalu1
      @1samanthalu1 Před měsícem +10

      Sadly. it still is.

    • @Luna.3.3.3
      @Luna.3.3.3 Před měsícem +9

      And history is repeating itself but, it seems (to me) now in countries I never thought would ever lean in that direction.

  • @katesleuth1156
    @katesleuth1156 Před měsícem +15

    I see Pamela Harriman with Gloria in this video. Wonder if she was good friends with fellow courtesan Pamela?

  • @sonaterese799
    @sonaterese799 Před měsícem +12

    Thanks for this - nice to be reminded how lucky most of us are, not to be as shallow ane pathetic as this dreadful woman was

  • @JustinMaclean-fr5cu
    @JustinMaclean-fr5cu Před měsícem +22

    She only married loel Guinness for the money-soooo sad

    • @LauritaGarza589
      @LauritaGarza589 Před měsícem +2

      A smart woman marries for love and money/ stability

    • @capricemadrid5353
      @capricemadrid5353 Před měsícem +1

      Many women did, especially back then. Look at Jackie O...

  • @Cobbmtngirl
    @Cobbmtngirl Před měsícem +7

    “Fashion in nuns clothing”?!?!😂

    • @judiesuh6858
      @judiesuh6858 Před 12 dny

      That's why Gloria G. was stylish because she saw the design on nuns habit

  • @leafuller3153
    @leafuller3153 Před měsícem +11

    Jackie didn't care ! She wasn't just about clothes !

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před měsícem +2

      Jackie would often buy clothes wear them once and sell them. As Onassis would pay for all her clothes, so she used it as a way to save to money. For her it was about creating money for her children; she and Lee had very different habits.

  • @user-wt3bk9nl5x
    @user-wt3bk9nl5x Před měsícem +9

    Guadalajara is a Spanish city which gave the name to the Mexican one.

  • @Sassy413
    @Sassy413 Před 19 dny +2

    I’m new and subscribed. Left a comment the other day but leaving a new one. Love your voice! Perfect for documentaries and well done.

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před 19 dny +1

      Sorry I missed it. I am glad to have you with us. Welcome:) And thanks.

  • @mikeletaurus4728
    @mikeletaurus4728 Před měsícem +7

    Thank you for this informative and well-produced upload. I'm glad YT's algorithm suggested your channel. I don't find Ms. Guinness the least attractive. She reminds me of Cruella DeVille, or even the Wicked Witch of the West. I'm not favorably impressed.

  • @lagincourt
    @lagincourt Před měsícem +6

    One thing is clear about Gloria and the other swans. They knew what they wanted and pursued it: money and position achieved through marriages to super wealthy men. My interest is this: did these women not self-reflect? To live as they did, it doesn’t appear that they did. It brings to mind today’s “swans” like Melania Trump.

    • @janiceudell2142
      @janiceudell2142 Před měsícem

      And Megain - you know who I'm talking about! Sluts out for money only.

    • @2msvalkyrie529
      @2msvalkyrie529 Před 17 dny

      " and after many a Summer dies the swan... "
      Tennyson.

  • @elviramcintosh9878
    @elviramcintosh9878 Před měsícem +13

    Hmmm. i had never heard of Gloria Guinness before. Interesting yet pathetic in so many ways. Thanks for sharing this.

    • @AM-yi4dd
      @AM-yi4dd Před měsícem

      Look around at the society you live in. It’s not much different

  • @briangraham1024
    @briangraham1024 Před 26 dny +3

    Never heard of her and hope never to hear of her again.

  • @ohmeowzer1
    @ohmeowzer1 Před měsícem +6

    Very interesting thank you

  • @user-on7fo4nr4z
    @user-on7fo4nr4z Před měsícem +4

    narcissist personality disorder is a result of parenting , its a learned behaviour. money is the root of all evil

    • @gentianvandewerken929
      @gentianvandewerken929 Před měsícem

      There is a genetic component too /its not only about parenting - - - much of it is they inherit what is called the stubborn gene/the waring gene/the criminal gene/and their brains have to thin grey matter in the frontal cortex where empathy is!

    • @cw5451
      @cw5451 Před měsícem +3

      Money is not the root of all evil. Rather, it’s the love of money that is the root of all evil. The distinction between those two sayings is meaningful.

  • @franzsolinas7893
    @franzsolinas7893 Před měsícem +1

    Very good ! Marvellous story!

  • @rochellenowik9875
    @rochellenowik9875 Před měsícem +3

    Interesting story and great narration. I will watch some of your other videos. Is there a theme to your investigations into the people you highlight?

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před měsícem +2

      Mostly Yes, The focus is on Iconic Women, both well known and lesser known ones. At times I will do biographies on more contemporary people and men as well as some tumultuous relationships. But Mostly I enjoy telling people's stories; a lot depends what people are interested in.

  • @anneangel3297
    @anneangel3297 Před měsícem +8

    Easy when you trollop your way through life!!

  • @DCFunBud
    @DCFunBud Před měsícem +12

    3:34. I don't understand how Gloria as Mexican was in any danger of running afoul of Nazi ethnic laws. She was a Catholic and the Nazi's did not target Latins. Italy and Mussolini were German allies, after all, and Hitler beseeched Franco of Spain to enter W.W. II on Germany's side.

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před měsícem +15

      Gloria could potentially have faced trouble under the Aryan laws of the Nazi regime due to her Mexican heritage and her marriage to a German-Jewish businessman named Franz-Egon von Fürstenberg. The Nazi regime's Aryan laws, particularly the Nuremberg Laws enacted in 1935, were racial laws that forbade marriages and sexual relations between Jews and persons of "German or related blood." These laws also included broad provisions for who was considered non-Aryan, including people of non-European descent.
      Given Gloria's Mexican background, she would not have been considered Aryan under these laws. Moreover, her association and marriage to a Jewish individual would have further complicated her status, possibly subjecting her to discriminatory actions and legal consequences. Franz-Egon von Fürstenberg, despite being Jewish, managed to navigate the difficult and dangerous environment under the Nazi regime due to several factors:
      Aristocratic Status and Connections: Franz-Egon was part of the aristocratic Fürstenberg family, which had significant social and political connections. This aristocratic status might have provided him some initial protection or the ability to negotiate his position within the society, despite the racial laws against Jews.
      Conversion and Name Changes: Franz-Egon converted to Catholicism from Judaism and changed his name during the Nazi era, likely as a survival strategy to distance himself from his Jewish heritage in the face of anti-Semitic laws.
      Despite these moves by him, he was still sent to the Russian front. Gloria however had a new relationship with the German spymaster, General Reinhard Gehlen, which continued to aid in her protection.
      As for your point about Spain, Spanish people, while European, were generally not considered "Aryan" under the strictest interpretations of Nazi racial ideology. Southern Europeans, including Italians, Greeks, and Spaniards, were often viewed as less desirable compared to the "Nordic" ideal that the Nazis glorified. However, the application of these racial theories could be inconsistent and influenced by political and diplomatic relationships.
      During the era, the relationship between Nazi Germany and Spain, led by the fascist dictator Francisco Franco, was complex. Franco's regime was aligned with Nazi Germany ideologically and politically during certain periods, particularly during the Spanish Civil War when Nazi Germany supported Franco's Nationalist forces. Due to these political alliances, Spaniards may not have faced the same level of racial scrutiny as other groups, despite not fitting the "Aryan" ideal. This political dimension often influenced how Nazi racial policies were applied in practice, showing that the ideology could be adapted for strategic alliances.
      Mexicans, being predominantly of a mix of Indigenous and Spanish descent, with a significant proportion of individuals also having African and Asian heritage due to Mexico's diverse history, would have been classified as non-Aryan under Nazi racial laws. The ideology held by the Nazis placed a strong emphasis on racial purity and was explicitly racist and supremacist, ranking ethnic groups according to a pseudoscientific hierarchy that regarded Northern Europeans as superior.
      Despite this, the real-world application of Nazi racial laws and ideology was sometimes influenced by political and economic considerations. For instance, during the 1930s and 1940s, Germany had diplomatic and economic relations with Mexico. These relations often required a more nuanced approach than the stark categories set out in Nazi racial ideology. However, the fundamental views of the regime remained deeply racist and exclusionary, focusing heavily on ethnic and racial purity as central tenets.
      It is difficult in these brief documentaries to break down all of the details, and how the Aryan Laws were sometimes used selectively, but Gloria could very well have been targeted by these laws had the regime wished it so as for the reasons listed above.

    • @sonyaodesho2665
      @sonyaodesho2665 Před měsícem

    • @livinglife4835
      @livinglife4835 Před měsícem

      As a Mexican descendant, what you do not know about Nazism, is a lot.

    • @DCFunBud
      @DCFunBud Před měsícem

      @@livinglife4835 Oh, really? What did Hitler or the Nazis have to say about Mexico or Latin America? Germany had quite good relations with Argentina during the war. I rather doubt Mexico was even on Hitler's map as he was fighting a two-front world war in Europe and Northern Africa.

    • @thekingofmoney2000
      @thekingofmoney2000 Před měsícem

      @@MythicMindScape21 That’s hogwash, there were Hispanics living in Germany at the time as they didn’t face that kind of discrimination. Mexicans were not seen as non-white people like they were and still are in the USA. She wouldn’t have been a target, but her Jewish husband most definitely would have been. Mexican is a nationality, not a race.

  • @mn4169
    @mn4169 Před 25 dny +2

    Liked money and standing where ever she found it, even with the nazis, disgusting.

  • @liolef7403
    @liolef7403 Před měsícem +2

    Superbe🙏👌

  • @agabrielhegartygaby9203

    As a old fashioned feminist who came of age in the late 19970s I realized that in the '1950s a woman had to seem to always say no to sex, but in the 60s a woman who said no was somehow "uptight".... recognizing the coercive pressure inherent in pseudo-leftist hedonism I looked to the fashion greats whose style worked in every era like Kelly, Chanel, Kennedy, Simpson, to know how to dress during a career that took me too often to professional spaces previously open only to men - to use the power of the aesthetic to allow the men to feel comfortable with me in the work space but disabusing them on sight of any unacceptable fantasies too many harbored. As for their past sins, I was raised to know we are all sinners, myself included, to judge as I would hope to be judged - so I do my best not to. I did not share her politics but the one thing I liked about those amazing women was at least they closed ranks on Truman Capote when his psychopathy was finally revealed. As for the clothing first I learned to sew very well and later on I learned to build a wardrobe around the best black suit I could afford. The French are right: how much better for everyone even the planet itself, were we to make purchasing decisions based on style not trends? G

  • @lynnschaeferle-zh4go
    @lynnschaeferle-zh4go Před měsícem +2

    Spy? Because she was married to the wrong side? Promiscuous? By whose standards? Todays? Compared to men? Give her credit; she wasn’t a traitor like Chanel, and Chanel made millions after the war. And we’re all just jealous because it looks like she had a 19” waist.

    • @elipotter369
      @elipotter369 Před měsícem

      I admire her beautiful long neck and elegant appearance and strong colouring.

  • @roseoreillysievers6057
    @roseoreillysievers6057 Před měsícem +1

    Jackie Kennedy and a beautiful fashion icon

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před měsícem

      Yes, I am sure Jackie was not a bit bothered about it, I spoke a lot about her in the video about Jackie. Whereas to Gloria fashion/appearance was everything.

  • @judiesuh6858
    @judiesuh6858 Před 12 dny

    Gloria Guiness was certainly stylish and beautiful.. but what stands out about most of the women you feature are survivalists.
    They are resilient, ambitious and often petty like whose on the best dressed list above me? And marriages are about money & social advancement.
    Thank you for interesting short bios❤👍👏

  • @carlsmith8815
    @carlsmith8815 Před 24 dny +1

    This lady is really interesting....The Great Survivor ....To say that she was " forced to be just a housewife " is a trite remark . Maybe she decided that her play might not bring her credit and her husband advised her of the fact. This housewife would be the titled mistress of great houses and numerous staff and maybe in the light of that and being able to write for Harper's that her husband advice better be taken. One can only be lucky so many times.

  • @marijo1951
    @marijo1951 Před 15 dny +1

    Why am I not surprised that she made friends with the Duchess of Windsor?

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před 14 dny

      One day I will make a video on her; there is so much to say or maybe I will make it about all of those women who were around the Prince at that time. The 'American Adverturesses' As they were often called. She is certainly an interesting character but her story has been told many times, so I need to find a fresh take on it.

    • @marijo1951
      @marijo1951 Před 14 dny

      @@MythicMindScape21 I was just making a flippant comment on the fact that they were both rather friendly with the Nazi élite!

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před 14 dny +1

      @@marijo1951 Indeed many people forget that about Edward. The Queen mother never did.

    • @marijo1951
      @marijo1951 Před 14 dny

      @@MythicMindScape21 I thinkEdward went beyond just hobnobbing with the Nazis, and was a genuine traitor. Maybe the full truth will emerge one day, but I doubt it.

  • @katherineparker2743
    @katherineparker2743 Před měsícem +2

    What an empty, horrid person she was

  • @surreygirl2075
    @surreygirl2075 Před měsícem +2

    A interesting woman

  • @user-eo5dk2fd4y
    @user-eo5dk2fd4y Před 13 dny

    narration should be more slower
    we cannot run after words and enjoying the story at the same time.

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před 13 dny

      You can change the speed on youtube for how quick or slow you would like video to be. If English is not your first language it is a great way to learn, but the speed at .75 percent in the settings.

  • @janetthomas8244
    @janetthomas8244 Před 29 dny +2

    Sounds like a horrible shallow woman. Jackie was much more elegant IMO

  • @gentianvandewerken929
    @gentianvandewerken929 Před měsícem

    what a bunch of creeps!

  • @CocoCooks1968
    @CocoCooks1968 Před dnem

    Achieved so much in the realm of shallowness and yet so little . Trying to see how her survival instincts and sense of worth or self were honed in childhood to basically deny who she was to marry up and out. It’s a shame that energy could have been used for ethical altruistic goals. Today she would be aligned with the extremist right wing mega rich. Opportunistic and ultimately self hating .

  • @jacquelinebreden5729
    @jacquelinebreden5729 Před měsícem

    Is Daphne Guinness a relative of Gloria.

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před měsícem +2

      Yes, but not closely. Loel Guinness was a cousin to Jonathan Guinness, the 3rd Baron Moyne, who is Daphne Guinness's father.

    • @jacquelinebreden5729
      @jacquelinebreden5729 Před měsícem +1

      @@MythicMindScape21 Thankyou

  • @richardshiggins704
    @richardshiggins704 Před 14 dny +1

    A vacuous and pointless existence .

  • @TR-ne7tt
    @TR-ne7tt Před měsícem +2

    And your point is she is nothing.

    • @AM-yi4dd
      @AM-yi4dd Před měsícem +1

      Not much different than the American goddess Kim kardashian. Except Gloria was much prettier

  • @kimberleymansfield1099
    @kimberleymansfield1099 Před měsícem +32

    After reading your personal opinion of this woman, I am disapointed. You have set a dark tone which has clearly had an impact in this comment section. I would like to say that we do not know, what it was like for her (and other woman) survival is a complicated thing, requiring us to consider and actually do things we are not likely to do at other times in life. I am even more disappointed that so many people rush to comment and judge her private sex life as harshly as they do. For those of you who do make those harsh judgements maybe ask yourself why hers matters to you! I would also like to point out your statement "There is also evidence she actively assisted the Reich as a spy, though this has never been definitively confirmed." IF it has not been definitively confirmed.....it remains RUMOUR-GOSSIP!

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před měsícem +16

      Sorry to disappoint you, I included no opinion in the video. Telling her story in a fair and I hope unbiased way, and allowing people to make their own decisions. However in the comments section I gave mine. The video speaks as a biography, the comment section is only an opinion where mine is as valid as yours or anyone else's. It is why your thoughts and opinion are welcome and just as valid as mine, and I hope people engage with you to either agree or disagree.

    • @kimberleymansfield1099
      @kimberleymansfield1099 Před měsícem +2

      @@MythicMindScape21 The video you presented was well done I thank you for that. I failed to state that at the start of my comment. You are correct, your opinion is your opinion and of course as valuable as any other. I

    • @MythicMindScape21
      @MythicMindScape21  Před měsícem +2

      @@kimberleymansfield1099 Thank you for your opinion as well.

    • @mariamead4444
      @mariamead4444 Před měsícem +9

      My opinion is that she was not someone I would have been interested in knowing.

    • @virginiacorrea4322
      @virginiacorrea4322 Před měsícem

      @@mariamead4444 I would have been very interested in knowing her!!!!!

  • @williamevans9426
    @williamevans9426 Před měsícem +1

    Gloria seems to have been a nice person .... !!! 😆

  • @massimosquecco8956
    @massimosquecco8956 Před 17 dny

    What an adventurer!
    Her quotes, coming from her mouth are really laughable!

  • @valpurves45
    @valpurves45 Před 19 dny

    What an awful emoty life. She was nt a verynice person at all

  • @livinglife4835
    @livinglife4835 Před měsícem +3

    The women of Mexican descendants, are ao beautiful and so interesting. Gloria is one of the best.

  • @Blonde111
    @Blonde111 Před měsícem +1

    BORING, another rich ladder climber. Who cares.