Ted DiBiase on Backstage Tension in the nWo
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- čas přidán 6. 11. 2023
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Millions dollar man one of the best gimmicks ever
It's strange how Hall and Nash are always referred to as "new comers" or "new blood" in the WCW era in comparison to Hogan, but both of them were nearly 40 by the time they got to WCW.
I think what they meant was career wise. Anyhow Hall and Nash was only a few years younger than Hogan, but their careers didn't take off until ten years later after the Hulkamania Sega. Scott started wrestling in 1984, the same year Hulkamania took off but he didn't actually got a break until in 92. With Nash on the other hand, started in 89 or 90, but his career didn't start taking off until in 93. Between theirs and Hogan's break, that's almost ten years difference. What Ted should have say was, the "latter comers" instead of "new comers" or "new blood" because Scott by then was a 12 years veteran in the professional.
"the outsiders" if if my memory is correct.
WCW in the early nineties had both Hall and Nash as The Diamond Stud with DDP as a manager for Hall. Nash was Oz. They both left for the WWE where Vince made them major stars. Then WCW paid the Outsiders a fortune to return.
Hall started in wcw as the diamond studd ddp was his manager
They started in WCW
OG TED DIBIASE#1 LEGEND!
Nash has said him and Hall were happy anyone getting pay raises. That meant Nash and Hall would get raises.
The favored nations clause was a brilliant move on their part
The favored nations they had didn’t apply to everybody though. It was a nuanced clause and primarily applied to people who came from the WWF over to WCW not simply people in WCW who got a raise on their money. But Eric has spoke on it and how some people of high levels that would command an absurd price to swap over, like Hulk as an example, weren’t guys that would trigger the clause but rather it applied to people of a similar level that they were if they moved over and got paid more money than they were. If you look at the people who jumped over the only one who made the jump and earned more than they were at the time they made the move was Bret Hart and before Bret got signed the company got Hall and Nash to agree to waive the clause to allow for Bret to get signed, as the clause would’ve required them to both get roughly $1M a year each compared to what they earned at the time. Other than him basically every jump wasn’t making more than them so it’s likely the clause never even got used and the one time ir was going to get triggered they agreed they’d waive it so Bret could come in. A lot of the mystique of Hall and Nash having all these genius triggers where they got constant raises are largely just fishing stories they’ve carried out for years and years because the actual court records of their contracts and what they were actually paid while in WCW doesnt back up all the stories they tell. Like when they say that the announcement of the characters on WWF got them new deals for more money right away is silly because they’d already signed contracts and if they tried to leave like that they’d have been in breach. It’s entertaining when they spin the yarn but there isn’t any real world documentation or common sense that fleshes out the claims, including the actual records of what the deals were and what they got paid that was official court record.
@@Matt-cr4vv you just wrote a story saying I was correct except when Hall and Nash waved their rights.
Everybody has a price for The Million Dollar Man. Hahahahaha!
All i can think of is the 1989 promo before survivor series and Ted saying "I'm thankful that I'm rich and your not!"
Why would it have bothered Dibiase then? He was, as Hogan called him, “The Multi-Million Dollar Man”!
What Hall and Nash waved around was couch change to him! 😂
I really wondered what ever really happened to Ted’s kid, he was in a faction with Rhoda’s and someone else I can’t recall and I honestly thought he understood the game and had a brilliant future between the ropes and then poof 💨 he is done and out.
I'll never understand how Hall and Nash got so much power in WWE and then WCW. What did they ever do to acquire influence?
Thank you!!! Both are extremely overrated. Sadly I know EVERYONE is a Scott hall fan but I just don’t see it. Though lex Luger is my favorite wrestler and people think I’m crazy too. Sad😢
In the WWE, they got power by association with Shawn Michaels. Early on in WCW, they got power by being in the hottest angle in the company and an angle where their boss (Eric) was involved in the angle onscreen.
They kept power later in part because of the size of their contracts. They were being paid like they were the most important people in the company which made them the most important people in the company.
Two words: Shawn Michaels.
Vince McMahon _Junior_ (he hates being called that, by the way) was extremely sweet on Michaels. So, anyone who was friends with Michaels received preferential treatment. Additionally, Nash received a huge push on top because Vince adores big men, as in *really* big men. That explains the WWF.
The influence in WCW? Simple: Hall and Nash were brought in as The Outsiders, the gimmick caught fire and was huge right from the beginning, and when you have a gimmick that's making money, you get what you want. Hall and Nash were seen as the ace in the hole for WCW. Nitro was no longer just winning the ratings battle two out of every three or four weeks, the show was winning *every* week.
When you have stars who are making money for your group, you take care of them, and you allow them to have an influence if they wish.
@@chrisvietro4360lmao I like Luger but to knock Hall and talk up Lex in the same sentence is absurd
@@UnHolyWible I think hall is extremely overrated. His best matches were because of someone else. And his demons affected people in and out of the ring. I know lex had them too don’t get me wrong. But no one knew about them until they came out. I feel the same way about Nash. I think both are extremely overrated. I appreciate any lex fan. 😊
FACT The Undertaker was offered to go to WCW but turned down the offer and Vince said that had he have took up the offer then WWE would have gone totally
wait how ironic.. the guys waving their newly found fortune in front of the man who portrayed the guy who did the same in character to the world in the 80s and early 90s.
I wonder if Hall and Nash ever encountered Ted in a restaurant and paid the management a few hundred bucks to have Ted kicked out.
@@markv1274 thats a great line!
I liked hall and oates better
@clayton5584
“You’re out of touch. You’re out of time…Time!”
😂
Sounds like snl. People all trying to get the spot light cuse that is how you get paid
Did you even listen to the video? Everybody had guaranteed contracts regardless of their spot on the card.
Scott Hall made all that money then years later had to do a gofundme to have a surgery done.
divorce took half
@@joe77750 addiction(s) may or may not have had a role in that too.
Women are expensive. You will find out one day
@@SychoSam drugs and alcohol too
@@SychoSam drugs and alcohol too
only strong point for nash was his size. couldnt work at all
True...But, there was a LOT of "talent" like that in wrestling for better or worst.
According to Kevin Nash, Ted DiBiase left the WWF because he was disgruntled over The Kliq's power to wreak havoc in the company. Well, not long after DiBiase arrived in WCW, Hall & Nash arrived. 😂
dibiase joined wcw after hall and nash he was the 4th nwo member
Nash may say that but it’s clearly not true. He gave his notice to leave the WWF in May 1996, so by the time he’d provided his notice they had both just left the WWF but if they hadn’t left just yet they’d both given notice they were leaving for WCW in February or March so Ted was already aware they were going to be there so clearly the claim by Nash isn’t accurate. But Ted has also spoken on this show about why he chose to make the jump and it was because he was told he would be performing the same role he was performing in the WWF, only working one day a week for WCW, while he was having to perform the commentary duties with the WWF and they’d also put him on the road to keep Sid in line which he didn’t like because he didn’t want to be on the road because of the temptations it carried along with it and mentions that both he and his wife didn’t want him to be out on the road. He also speaks on the motivation being financial as well since it was the first true no cut guarantee he’d gotten where he knew what he’d be paid for the three years and knew he’d get the money since it was a true full guaranteed deal that they had to pay him even if they sent him home. And he points out that it was quite a bit more over what he was making with the WWF so it would be more surprising if he hadn’t taken it. I mean who else wouldn’t take a deal that has you work less, lays out what you’ll be paid versus the back box of variable pay in the WWF, fully guarantees the pay you’ll earn, and is going to pay you a sizable higher sum to boot. He may not have enjoyed the time he spent there but he was pretty clear that the deal was too good to walk away from until it was done.
Like i always said way to many members in the nwo it should of been hall and nash group and then hogans group nwo Hollywood and nwo wolfpack nobody else
Maybe only five or six members only in each group
I don’t understand. I really don’t get it at all. It’s a salary chart up from 1996-1997. Hall and Nash were making a couple million a year. Of course Hogan was making the most but Hall and Nash were top 6 or 7 after Sting and Flair. Neither had been multi time world champions or was a face of a company. Why would you get sick and tired of getting that much money and think you should get what Hogan is getting? I mean I love The Outsiders but Nash has 3 moves and Scott Hall basically has the same match with the same spots. I would have been cool with my guaranteed 2.5 million. Shit at the time Goldberg was making a $150,000. The point is they were undeserving of the 2.5 million.
They started at 750,000 when they came in in June 1996. Their contracts were redone after Bret came over in Dec. 1997. Bret received around 2.7 mil per year and Hall and Nash were then on an escalator ranging from 1.2 mil - 1.6 mil per year over the next 4 years. Flair wasn't in this ballpark and Sting was a little behind the Outsiders as well. I guess Hogan was around the 12 million mark. Hall and Nash had a major beef with what Hogan was making and I can see their point considering they were major players in the NWO and the coolest cats that the fans wanted to see on Monday Nitro.
Without The Outsiders, Hogan was done in WCW. This is what he needed to revive his career.
@jmiyagi12345 Done in WCW? I doubt that. People wanted a change but if he hadn’t joined up I would bet more than likely they’d have had him be the opposition to the NWO but yes joining up was a shot in the arm no doubt. But the outsiders also have to keep in mind that the NWO being such a huge shock and having so much interest when it began was largely because of it being Hogan as the third man because of who he was and what he’d been and the widespread exposure of his name which made his turn the biggest possible option for the NWO. It’s a chicken and the egg that Hogan needed it to revamp things that were going stale while the outsiders needed him because the shock value and impact of his turn is what sparked the NWO to be the NWO. Sting wouldn’t have been anything close to the impact as the third man that Hogan was. At best the impact of sting would’ve been big for existing WCW fans as he was the consistent good guy face there but it wouldn’t have been the shock for the WWF fans that Hogan was. So maybe they felt they didn’t get their just due but as much of a role they were it always has to be recognized that without hogan the NWO isn’t as big as the NWO was.
@@Matt-cr4vv let’s not look back too fondly on what the nWo with Hogan became. But I’ll get back to that later. People were tired of the red and yellow and he wasn’t getting nearly the reaction as in WWF. He was fighting WCW’s version of dentists, farmers, and garbage men.
As for Sting, the same story could not have been told, but honestly, it may have had more legs for longer. The moment Hogan came out at Bash at the Beach, you knew it was him. Are you really going to have the faces go 4 on 2 against the heels?
The story could have kept the same tone, not the same beats though. The nWo is still taking, and you have Sting as an equal to Hall and Nash. Maybe he sees this as the way to get rid of Flair, or whatever story you give him as a reason. Hogan comes in with all this fanfare, when he (Sting) has been there from the beginning. You think I am going to play second fiddle to Hall and Nash? Nah, better to be with them. And you let Nash and Hall do the majority of the talking. We don’t need any 20 minute promos.
But I would have capped it at Sting, Hall, Nash, Syxx, and Norton as the muscle. You can have The Outsiders going for tag, Sting for World, Syxx for Cruiser and Norton for US - and also making sure Syxx keeps his belt. If you want someone for each belt, you can get another member, but no more than that as far as wrestlers go.
We’ll never know what it could have been like, we just know what it was. But it’s a good scenario to ponder.
@@jmiyagi12345 the fact remains that despite the Outsiders angle being very hot - it was Hogan's heel change the blew everything off the charts. People need to really stop acting as the things Hogan did were random or by chance in his success, he deserved the money he made and did the most to get the NWO over in a position to dominate against Vince. It is amazing how people always mention the fans being tired of Hogan as if the rest of the roster was lighting up the ratings or generating fan interest. Bischoff clearly states that the WCW was not profitable until Hogan's name was attached and they didn't beat Vince until Hogan's heel switch. The NWO like everything else in WCW went awry but Hogan didn't book the cards or create angles. It is tiresome to see so-called fans constantly work in angles to dig or underplay Hogan's importance and value.