Ted DiBiase Responds to Jake Roberts' Criticism of Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels
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Truly one of the worst takes I’ve ever heard from Jake. Bret sold every punch he gave and every punch he received like it was ending his life. He took all those chest first buckle bombs like a champ. He made every second he was out there feel like it was real. Rarified air and a 1%er all time. His look, his gear, his move set, his passion could be felt with everything he did.
You can always tell when Jake's Jealousy is speaking. .
How. Bret and Shawn are midcarders
Jake was one of the most over guys in late 80s early 90s WWF. He was number 2 or 3 in terms of popularity in about 88/89 or so. Bret probably made more money because of his huge WCW contract so maybe Jake is bitter about that.
@@benjaminmartin9073😂 get out of here
Bret Hart is Mr jealousy
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Shawn is pretty much the least over WWF champ ever.
Jake saying that they didn't sell is insane. Literally their strongest points.
LOL.... Bret not selling? Yeah.....nice try Jake.
I don't know what The Snake's talking about. Hart was awesome when it came to putting his opponents over in some way.
Bret was a bit boring, true, his promos were meh, true, but to criticize his in-ring, especially his selling, is`, well, ignorant.
Bret sold just fine in his wrestlemania 13 match with Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Brett and Sean Waltman . Actually thought the 123 Kid was gonna beat him.
Bret could sell. Are you serious? He sold the hell out of his opponents offense.
Bret & Ted are both ring generals and had the ability to make their opponents look better than what they were.
You can tell theirs backstage issues between them
Bret trashed Jake as well
this is more of personal issue then a professional issue
What did he say about jake in his book?
I've to strongly disagree with Jake on this one, a lot of matches with Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Big John Studd and some of the other big guys from the golden era put on some really boring matches. We needed a change in the early 90's, guys like Bret, HBK, Waltman, Owen and others gave us something new. Not disrespecting the golden era because Million Dollar Man, Savage, the Dragon and Dynamite Kid opened the door for smaller guys.
50s and 60s will always be the golden era to me.
Ted, Savage, and Steamboat were never small
@@danielcody874 They were compared to most guys at that time.
@@EddieHenderson92 bret and shawn belonged to the low card. They were crap as champions. Hogan on his worst days was a bigger name. Bret made the WWF title feel like the cruiserweight championship. He never felt like the WWF champion. Same goes to Shawn.
@@coolguy298 I disagree but to each their own.
teds coming across here likes he doesn't want to disagree with Jake publically.
100%
That’s exactly what it is… Because it actually seemed like he would have said Bret Hart the way he was talking but he heard what Jake said and started treading lightly with what he was saying so he wouldn’t sound like he was saying Jake is a hater and a liar but I feel like that’s just what Jake is… from how he talks and his demeanor he seems bitter about a lot of things that may have happened with his time In WWE.
@@deedavis1170the only time you see Ted get worked up about anyone on this podcast is when he talks about the Warrior. He’s vanilla with everyone and everything else. Jake’s a dick but at least he speaks his mind
What the cohost should have done was ask Ted his opinion of Bret and shawn first, and then let Ted listen to what Jake had to say about it and then compare the two's opinion. That way Ted's opinion wouldn't be "tainted" by Jakes.
No he knows Jake speaks truth
Bret is maybe the best seller in the history of the business. Looked like he was injured for real in nearly every match!
Agreed, and a very realistic seller. Never over the top.
He’s great, but I wouldn’t say he’s the best. There are so many great sellers, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Ricky Morton, I’d actually say Dolph Ziggler is a great seller, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude sold well for a heel. There are so many greats, I can’t even think of them all. Bret is one of them but I wouldn’t say he’s the very best.
@@pandavelli8176Shawn oversold often and other times didn’t sell, so I can’t put him in that category
@@pandavelli8176Shawn and Flair over sold way too much.
@@pandavelli8176 He's the one who made his beating actually look realistic, so I'd say he was the best seller by quite some distance.
The others turned their selling into comedy.
Jake is obviously still bitter about what Bret said in his book. Jake allegedly broke his leg and couldn't travel the road while in Stampede. One night, Bret forgot something at his house before going to the other town, and saw Jake through the window walking around no problem cooking a hearty meal for himself. Jake has also been called a liar by countless people in the business -- so his opinion doesn't really hold water.
Case in point -- Bret didn't sell?....He was one of the best at selling an ass kicking!
Jake really needs to stop with his bold-face lies -- it comes across as pathetic.
Jakes right
@@RT-bt5qlJake’s right that Bret Hart didn’t sell? 😂 No.
@@RT-bt5qlso is the original poster. Known liar
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lol. No he isn't. He is a drunk and a deadbeat dad.
He didn't really sell with his facial expressions.@@wellesradio
Survivor Series 1990- Dream Team vs Team Million Dollar Team. Debut of The Undertaker. Ted and Bret are the last remaining guys for both teams. You can feel the tension of both guys and Bret's selling and ring psychology was next level. On top of all that the day before..Bret's brother Dean Hart passed away from a heart attack.
I was about to comment just on that. The end of that watch once it got down to Brett, hammer and Dibiase was awesome. Especially when Dibiase and Hart went at it. Crowd was so into it. When Brett faked the knee injury and rolled him up, flying crossbody block over the top rope and especially when Virgil held Brett and Dibiase kneed Virgil. Crowd lost it. For me, One of my favorite parts of a match in WWE history.
Bret: "Fuck!" 😄
Early on, before Dusty and Taker eliminated themselves from that match, Bret sold and made Taker look fantastic. Say what you will about Vince, but he picked a fantastic group of guys to sell for Taker to get him rolling right off the bat.
@@mattheweble5550- Koko put him over like a pro too.
@@airfixx_8952Koko B. Ware was easily one of the crowds favorites. He should have been treated better. Won a belt, or something.
Bret and Shawn didn't sell??? lmao!!!
that was weird. Bret and Shawn sold big time.
Right Jake is high
Bret did, Shawn didnt.
Michaels is alongside diesel the worst and lowest champ ever
@@carlosgaleotegandara7812 lol
@@carlosgaleotegandara7812 Shawn wasn,t a great champ and i never actually liked him much, but to say he didn't sell is very wrong.
It makes a lot of sense when you realize that Jake lost his mind about 25 years ago.
What's that got to do with Bret being boring and overrated?
@@mws755 Lol how was the hitman boring and overrated? Brett had the best feuds with Vince, Shawn, Austin etc. Go look at hitmans matches some of the best ever.
HBK literally had a some of the best matches ever at the end of his career and he’s talking about not “selling”
Shawn is one of the greatest sellers in history.
Taking an ankle lock for 10 mins is selling?
The way Shawn “SOLD” for Hogan is Legendary!
Bret is the best to ever do it. Most five star matches of all time back when it Meant something.
Japan was putting on a lot of 5 star matches in the 90s. Bret was gifted but there were wrestlers in Japan with far more great matches than Bret. Bret was limited by being in the WWF though.
@@ssssssstssssssss doesn't count unless its in the big leagues
Who has more Match Of The Year awards than Shawn Michaels?
On WHAT planet? Dude was a dud. LOL Case and point, that horrible debut in WCW with Goldberg and the spear. LOL This dude couldnt sell anything. For being from a wrestling family, pretty sad
He's not even remotely close to being the best
To be fair Jake is only giving his opinion, for me I think Bret and Shawn are the two best ever in ring performers with Steamboat and Hennig right at their heels but again just an opinion
Please find me ONE time Bret didn't sell.
Ted is sounding really diplomatic here. It's like he doesn't want to disagree with Jake, but he knows that Jake is wrong. Ted has wrestled against Bret (most notably at Survivor Series 1990), and he was ringside for HBK's matches against IRS, 123 Kid, and King Kong Bundy. He knows that both of these guys can work and sell.
Jake is blatantly wrong and must have never watched a Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels match. Ted is just fleeing from disagreement with him. It’s ridiculous
Jake Roberts mostly wasn't around when Bret Hart was champion so not sure why we should value his opinion. His promos were middle of the road for most of the time but they were mostly really good after he came back to the WWF in 96. Not on Jake's level, but not many are.
I agree. I've never understood the hate that Bret gets for his promo work. Sure, he wasn't as loud or intense or flamboyant as the likes of Hogan, Warrior or Savage, but he was never supposed to be. On the whole, his promos were, at worst, average but more importantly they were consistent, articulate and effective in telling you what you needed to know. TBH, the whole "Bret's promos were crap" thing just strikes me as one of those bandwaggon opinions that has become blown way out of proportion.
@@MrBam79Bret fan crying
@bigolebot Nope, just expressing an opinion based on my own observations. Maybe instead of wasting your time writing meaningless nonsense, you could conserve enough mental energy to formulate an original opinion of your own?
@@bigolebotMore like Bret hater coping...why r u on every video of his when u hate him so much...may be he did ur old woman dirty😂😂😂😂
@@MrBam79very well said..haters are galore on YT these days....
Bret was some technical wrestler in his day i enjoyed his style
+ Ted DiBiase is looking well+ enjoy listening to him + should have been wwf champ
EVERYONE HAS A PRICE
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I think he was in the running for NWA World champ in the 70s. At least they pushed Harley vs Ted really well in ‘79-‘80 on Wrestling at the Chase (St Louis, Missouri)
he was for a few days he even defended the title ona live event after he brought the title from Andra The Giant
@@ajsgaming8003 true BUT I just think he deserved to have at least 1 good run 👍🏻incredible wrestler was Ted DiBiase to not hold title and run with it😎👍🏻
Thank you ajsgaming 😎
@@Del_81 back then i always thought he would have made a better IC Champ has he was a great worker bk then i always thought the big guys had the world title and the harder workers (exept Warrior) had the IC Title
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@@ajsgaming8003 I gotta agree tbh mate 👍🏻 jst I loved a bad guy as a kid and always thought wld of been good BUT gotta agree👍🏻😎jst wlda been cool hehe
Least Bret didn’t lose his smile unlike Shawn
But Shawn is living a good life. Hot wife, busy with NXT.
Bret cries about the same thing over and over, lies about his career, mentions Goldberg and Hogan nonstop..
Wow, what a life
Did Jake ever watch matches of Hogan and Warrior who made a career out of not selling?
Doesn't mean they didn't sell. In fact Hogan was a fantastic seller
Jake was from an era where Bret and Shawn were too small to be taken seriously, so just them not getting killed like jobbers every match translates to not selling in his mind.
Makes it way more hilarious to see him take a paycheck from Tony Khan and participate in the dwarf interpretive dance routine show on TBS. Bret would be much bigger and stronger than all but a few dudes in AEW. But he would probably just get run off for trying to make the matches look logical.
Jake was not taken seriously enough to be positioned as a main eventer either. He rarely had a better than average match.
Jake can only say he was a few inches taller though lol. Bret was def out lifting Jake in the gym.
Which is double stupid because Bret would beat the fuck out of Roberts in real life.
I still go back and watch Bret’s matches over 30 years later. I couldn’t name one great Jake match. Great on interviews, no doubt.
If you look at the entire WWE roster in late 1992, I don't think there was a better choice than Bret Hart. In mid-1991, Mr. Perfect suffered a serious back injury and was out for a year. In late 1992, Bret headlined his first PPV main event at Survivor Series, and Hennig made his in-ring return in a tag-match in the mid-card. Hennig was plagued by back problems and was out again in early 1994.
I completely disagree with Jake saying that Bret Hart's speeches were dull. Bret Hart had me hanging on to every word he would say. Definitely not dull at all.
Hart Promo's was dull untill he turned heel
@@ajsgaming8003 yeah Bret was baby for so long but looking back it didn't really suit him, once he turned heel then the fun really began, that was him finding his spark
Absolutely. Loved his segments when he turned heel and reunited with Owen. Davey Boy. Jim Neidhart and having Brian Pillman join them. The first initial segment where Bret came in to break up the fight between Owen and Davey Boy which started the build up of the new Hart Foundation. Bret talking about family values and the lack of them in America.
Bret sold everything well and always looked in trouble. Winning a match out of no where and in so many ways.
Michaels used to oversell like Rick Flair.
Always love Ted's thoughtful responses. Thanks for the pod!!
If ANYONE can make a claim at being the best to ever do it other than Shawn, it’s Bret. 1a and 1b. No one wrestled better than those 2. Period.
lol saying Bret and Shawn didn’t sell is hilarious . Get back in the pipe
I guess Jake was watching the Hogan /Michaels match from Summer Slam lol
That match showed who was the man and it wasnt Hogan.@@thedarkangel1975
30 years ago I didn't like Ted DiBiase , but I was a dumb kid. Today, I really like him and totally love his role. He played it so well back then.
I love Jake Roberts but I disagree with him on Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels didn't sell really well.
Did Jake missed Bret's corner bumps? Did Jake missed when Shawn sold as good as the late, great Ray Stevens?
Stevens was an overseller
@@jabrockobiden9434 that's a bad thing?
Ray Stevens and Bobby Heenan were ahead of their time.
Bret was great at selling
Primadonna Shawn however didnt sell enough for the likes of Vader, Sid, Taker, Diesel, Razor, and oversold for Hogan while having a hissy fit. lol
@kenterminateddq5311 please don't talk about Ray Steven's in the comments please
@@michaelmcclenon6663 why not? He's underrated.
To Jake Roberts: Instead of being so bitter about others, think about why they made it and you didn't. There are so many reasons, but I'll tell you the most important ones.
1) You are a stick man. Instead of drinking and doing coke in the bars every evening after the matches, you could have gone to a gym more often and worked on yourself. That's why, for example, an Ultimate Warrior had an advantage over you and why Vince made him champion and not you.
2) Wrestling talent and skill: Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels may have been a little shorter than you, but had more talent and skill on their left finger than you had on their entire body. The Hitman is a living legend who has performed gigantic matches in the ring that average followers like you can only dream of. I understand that every wrestler has strengths and weaknesses, but wrestlers like Bret Hitman Hart and HBK (and I don't like Michaels at all) were fantastic athletes in the ring that were very rare.
They took wrestling to a higher level in the 90s and were pioneers compared to the 80s. If you had consumed fewer drugs and alcohol and worked on yourself in a more disciplined manner, you would certainly have been more successful. Many wrestlers from back then like Dibiase, Roberts etc. should stop speaking out of bitterness about our heroes from back then. They just lose the respect and favor of the fans.
you are 100 PERCENT RIGHT. if it was not for DDP he would have died NAKED IN A DITCH!
plus i here his recovery was a NIGHTMARE!! what kind of man lays naked in a bed for everyone in that house to see!
LOL You dont seem to get that being talented in the ring, doesnt mean you can sell. LOLOL Learn what that means
You know you’re right. As a kid I never took Jake roberts seriously. He looked like a bum, and i only looked forward to seeing the snake as a kid. He should have went to the gym, and looked more presentable.
So here's a crazy story Jake said some years back. Apparently he started getting in good shape, but Vince got angry and told him to stop getting in such good shape. Doesn't excuse the drug and alcohol abuse though.
Love all 4 of these guys n I'm glad their all still alive and well
"I understand criticizing Bret for his promos (personallly, I thought he had an authentic understatedness that rang genuine), but saying Bret didn't sell? That was one of his best attributes! When he got hit, he made it look like it REALLY hurt!
Can’t help but feel that this has something to do with Jake’s comeback in 1996 when he was chopped liver compared to HBK and Bret. He is probably bitter that he didn’t have that spot. Jake was a shell of himself from when he had left a few years earlier. He looked as if he himself had transformed into one of those parodied wrestlers like the Nacho Man or the Huckster in the Billionaire Ted skits.
Maybe with Hogan , piper , warrior , flair gone and macho man on commentary in 92/93 Jake thought he would be the top guy.
Bret had calculated charisma, Shawn was a showman. Also both were apart of the next generation of young talent in the early 90s that Vince could depend on in their roles post steroid trial.
I gotta say that looking at a wrestler like Ted DeBiase "Million Dollar Man". At the age he's at. The guy looks great. And he's wrestled for his whole life. He was very young starting up. Worked the territories, he was actually a good guy. And Vince took him in and he gave him a great gimmick that Ted ran with. But his body wasn't huge and chiseled. He wasn't on a bunch of steroids. He obviously wasn't abusing anything to look the way he does. And the guy looks great. Probably the best of the Golden Age.
It is hard to compare wrestlers from different eras. The business was changing constantly from the 70s to the 80s and to the 90s. Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart were great performers in their era. The style they used was very different from the style Jake Roberts had in the 70s and 80s.
In a world where so many of this generation have died early or suffer from impact of the business, I love see DiBiase looking and sounding so good. Hopefully he's around a long time.
Both Bret and Shawn were great sellers. Jake is talking nonsense there.
The reason Jake seemed critical of both because he hated both guys backstage issues. Jake stated in Hannibal interview that he would have fired both guys if he was the promoter.
Jake was unreliable, was heavy into drugs, esp from the moment Honky Tonk blasted him with the guitar. His entire indie run after the Monday Night Wars ended, was him showing up to show absolutely wasted. Him and Hall were literally on fans' death watch from like, 2004 to 2010. Jake isn't in a position to have said he'd have fired anyone for their backstage issues.
Bret sold the pain and anguish of applying his own finisher to win matches, so I don't think Jake is remembering that correctly haha. But I CAN see what he's saying about Shawn. From about WM X onward, HBK rarely sold anything. He sold for Razor and Diesel, but really nobody else until his comeback with Hunter... and then the massive oversell of a lifetime against Hogan 🤣
Bret's interviews were decent but not his strong suit. But the overall package was excellent. Shawn's backstage attitude is probably affecting Jake's outlook in his case.
He's 100% right that Bret was not good on the mic.
He's 100% wrong that Shawn didn't sell.
That is one of the most asinine comments ever made by a pro wrestler, and there's been a lot of them.
Go watch 96-98 HBK - Just show Ted - Good Friends Better Enemies, the two matches with bulldog, Mind Games, Survivor Series 96; RR97, KOTR 97, Ground Zero, Bad Blood, IYH DX(Where he sells for Shamrock something rotten) RR98 AND Mania X4(where he sells despite being injured.)
That's when shawn was on top and he sold his heart off Jakes lying.
Oh and are we forgetting the boyhood dream is over angle with Owen which literally was him selling like he had to retire.
Bret was a master in-ring storyteller. In my opinion Shawn didn't become that until his 2002-2010 return. My criticisms with Shawn's 1995-1998 run stems from his backstage antics which taints my view of his in-ring work, but I can see where Shawn was a poor seller depending on who he was working with. He sold poorly-to-half-A$$ with certain mid-carders, sold well for his buddies or stars on his level who would legit kick his arse if he pulled that sh*t on them during a match.
As much as I love Jake's work, I often get the feeling that when he says he doesn't regret that he never got a world title run because he didn't need it, his comment towards Bret and Shawn makes me not believe him.
Bret was a great seller, hbk over selled like ray stevens.
Bret sucks
Yeah HBK is a shit seller, Bret was the most believable guy
@@RT-bt5qlyour opinion sucks
@@wolfpacsyxx you saying Mr Pefrect was a crap seller then too??
@@ajsgaming8003 nope, don’t equate the two and if you do you are just telling everyone you haven’t watched that much of his matches and also don’t know anything. The end
That backdrop behind Ted is beautiful.
Please make thisman mandatory watching for all current wrestlers in AEW and WWE/WWF....!!!
Jake's jealous of Bret's success in the business it's plain and simple jealousy on Jake's part
Success? The worst the company ever did was on his watch, yeh great champion, and I'm not a Michaels mark, so don't even.
@EBC-ENTTo be brief Jake Roberts during his WWE run was never positioned as the top babyface nor was he positioned as the top heel who got to work the top babyface. Those were the money positions in WWE. Jake was the guy who the top heel worked with prior to working the top babyface.
Jake was also one of the first wrestlers to leave the good ship WWE for WCW with the expectation of making a windfall only to find out upon arrival that Bill Watts had sliced his pay in half. At the same time, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels start to make inroads into occupying those main event/big money slots in WWE that Jake never had the opportunity to occupy. In short if you ever look at the homes that Hart and HBK live in, they’re millionaires homes. Jake’s isn’t. Thus lies the issue at hand.
I totally agree.
Agreed @EBC-ENT
I wasn't expecting that lol
Pro wrestling is definitely an art, from being a baby face, heel, selling and getting the crowd to react to you. At 45yrs I liked the 80's more. The characters to me were stronger, but I am definitely still a fan. Shout out to Ted, Jake, Bret and Shawn💯💯💯
Jake basically dismissed them both.
I disagree with Jake on this one. Just because you don't like a wrestler's style doesnt mean he didn't deserve to have the success he had. Bret was very talented in the ring and yes, he didn't draw the kind of money that Hogan did but he was a believable Champion and he could tell stories in the ring.
I watched Jake growing up. If anyone was boring it was him. Both Brett and Shawn were amazing talents that entertained.
Jake isn't wrong about HBK selling less and less as he went up the card. Of course, if he was wrestling one of his friends, there would be an exception and he'd sell all kinds for them.
My biggest gripe with both of them, but especially Brett was they tended to wrestle the same match over and over. Ric Flair and Hogan were the worst at this. But it's like how many times can you see it, before you get tired of it?
LOL Flair is the ALL TIME best seller in a wrestling ring. LOLOL Every aspect of Flair is a textbook to study for a pro wrestler that wants to learn what to do in a ring. LOL His matches with the Von Erichs and Harley. Pure brilliance
I love the show title on both fronts
I grew up on Mid South Wrestling. DiBiase and Roberts two of the greatest.
I think I recall Shawn himself saying he felt at a certain point he was no longer good at selling. That it was either too much or not enough and he just couldnt get that perfect in-between where he was prior to the turn of the century.
It would be weird for Bret to not be methodical in the ring. His style fit his persona. If you were to think of what it means to be The Excellence of Execution, you think of something almost surgical, serious and intense.
Promo Jake ahead of both but nowhere near Shawn or Bret for in-ring work. I can remember way more Shawn and Bret's matches than the likes of some of the bigger guys from the Golden Era.
bret and shawn were both great sellers! i loved seeing shawn get his ass kicked almost as much as seeing him win
Jake was great im the day. I remember his stuff with the Macho Man, The Undertaker and the end of his best stint came v Steve Austin.
However he didn't have great technical skills in the ring & ability like Bret & Shawn. He was good but never great as the other 2. You could see the ability growing from HBK & Hitman from their tag days and they grew as single competitors. Jake could sell and was good at interviews. However he always stayed at 1 level. He never looked after himself well either. How big would Jake Roberts been without his snake? Without that gimmick, prob would have been very average. Whereas the other 2 relied on what they could do in the ring with their abilities. Jake couldn't do half the moves those 2 could do, with all respect. So it come across that he was a bit bitter or jealous cause these 2 were behind him at 1 point as attraction but both ended up eclipsing him and got to be the main attraction & World Champions which he never got. Jake was a good performer but never really raised his level enough
Bret fills the niche of the non-vicious heel perfectly. He xould cause faces to do vicious things, break character, etc. Use him to make faces turn heel. Its the way, he turned Steve Austin face. But, with Bret filling Austin's role. The face turns need to be short. His betrayals should set up the next heel angle of his. He is the Anti-Flair. Like Flair, he has exceptional skills. But, a bit more demure so you cannot tell where or when he does his nefarious acts. His face work is meh. But, it's meant to be. He was champion material. But, he has to be used in a specific way
Sad to see the bitterness. Such a child
Jake might be talking about how guys like Bret and Shawn had like twenty moves and they felt like they had to get their stuff in every match where as Jake would snap the jab all night before going into his finishing sequence.
When is the episode on how to use religion to separate people from their money?
Part of that era that quit selling things. Says this about two or the best sellers at that time. Shows you weren't paying attention Jake!
7:05 Tell that to Vince lol
Jake could do a great interview but that was about it, never had a great body, never had a great look, his wrestling ability was poor, his personal demons destroyed him, holding kids up for crack or he wouldn’t show, it’s because Bret said a few things about Jake in his book that he’s still lashing out, Jake Robert’s is the real life Randy the ram
Bret didn’t sell what?!
Million Dollar Man, could cut a promo on a dime, wrestle like a machine, should has been a world champion for years.
With Jake, this is clearly sour grapes. He's still bitter that WWE pushed these smaller guys, who were more athletic than him, and could do way more than him in the ring. I will give it to Jake, that he was a better promo than Bret, but both Bret and Shawn had him beat in pretty much every other area, including selling. The only times Shawn didn't sell is when he had an issue with someone or something, even then, it wasn't every time, as he sold well against Bret, and oversold against Hogan.
When Ted's talking about selling when your a top guy look at Hogan. He'd get beat up the whole match pretty much till the hulk up ( then the crowd would go insane ) to the finished. It just worked and still does till this day.
Lollipop & sharpshooter Lol
I always thought Bret sold the best, but to say HBK didn’t sell is crazy talk. HBK would sell, but maybe too much and over the top. Just watch the HBK vs Hogan match, HBK made a point to over sell. lol
Oh dear Lord, that was an intentional oversell job because Hogan is a joke.
In the Summer of 1991 , nobody wouldve anticipated Bret becoming WWF World Champ a little over a year later. Bret was 34 yrs old in the Summer of 1991
This is why i laugh at people who think theres no chance Owen wouldve ever become WWF World Champ had he not died in 1999. Owen was just 34 yrs old when he died
Owen was low to mid card lil homie
@@michaelmcclenon6663 Youd be saying the same thing about Bret if his career ended in the Summer of 91, little home slice. lol
I loved Owen but I think he screwed himself by severely injuring Steve Austin and then apparently not apologizing. And you had people politicking like HHH which I think Owen was not good at. He obviously had the talent and character to be a top guy in the WWF. But sometimes the top brass in the WWF didn't recognize that in people.
@@ssssssstssssssss I think Owen wouldve had a good shot to be a top guy in the Fall of 99 with Austin being out for a year..I mean you had Big Show as champ and even Boss Man was in the title picture...November of 99 to November 2000 wouldve been Owens best opportunity
@@ssssssstssssssss Envision this.. Blue Blazer( Owen) vs Big Show for the title at Armageddon 1999. Two Blue Blazers interfere at the end of the match to help Owen win.. They unmask to reveal themselves as THE BRITISH BULLDOG and JIM NEIDHART.. Owen unmasks as well and creates the BLACK HART FOUNDATION... Jericho later joins as an unofficial honorary member ala Pillman in 1997
THIS IS AWESOME AF!!!!
Always great hearing 2 ex-wrestlers whom never held a singles-title analyze the lacks of champions. Those old sobs will die bitter menn.
I used to love the methodical technical wrestlers. That's why I loved Brett.
Jake is one of my all time favorites, but he is a snake through and through. He's a liar and he sais what he said because Bret is honest and called him out on it multiple times.
No matter the title he held, Bret always carried himself like a champion when he was a champion. He looked the part when he was a champion and even when he wasn't champ, as a fan at the time, you knew it was a matter of time before he became a champion again. Guys like Bret, Hogan, HHH, Taker, Rock Austin, Roman (I said it), Cena are living embodiments of what a champion should look like when they are champion. Not sorry on this. Love Jake, really do, but Bret's promo skills got way better post 96 as someone mentioned. And like Ted mentioned overall, im going to apply it to his promos; he wasn't in a rush to get his point across. He took his time and the message was always delivered. Bret isn't the greatest of time on the mic but he's not the worst. His 97 heel run promos make up for everything pre 96 😂😂 cuz I will agree, that sh** was trash Bret.
Marcus (Co-host) basically "led the witness" here by feeding Ted some strong opinions from one of his most respected friends. He should have asked Ted what ye thought about Shawn/Bret before showing him that clip for more authenticity.
Although I think Ted would have still tried to be diplomatic about it and say that he just didn't watch it that closely.
Jake's right. HBK bumped 20 times in the 92 Royal rumble on one clothes line from the Texas tornado
By 1996 he was no selling the Vader bomb
So you've never seen a match since 1996, even though his matches with Undertaker are among the all-time best ever. Got it. Valuable opinion here, folks.
Bret sold but he never died . Bret was in my opinion one of the last greats . I haven’t felt that way about anyone after him . Its been over twenty years since I gave crap about wrestling
first of all: I loved Jake back then. Much more than Bret. He will always be one of my favorite Wrestlers. You have to know - in our Generation - it wasn´t important how good the guy was in the ring. It was all about the character himself, the image, the style, the look, the apperence. And Jake Roberts had it all - plus excellent promo and mic-skills. But if you see his matches today, you will find out that his wrestling repertoire was very limited. Most of his moves were basics like Clothesline, Backdrop, a high knee-lift, Atomic Drop - moves, that everybody can do easily. He never go on the top ropes for an axe-handle or something. But he has the (back then) most iconic Finishing Move, that everybody wanted to see: the DDT. That was enough for us fans. he´s got right, when he called Bret a bit dull - because i thought the same at the time. Ted DiBiase by the way was one of the hardest workers ever. Never saw a botch or bad timing in his matches and he executed his moves PERFECTLY - especially his vertical suplex and his powerslam. But I love them all: Jake, Ted, Bret and Shawn!
Ted is covering up for his disagreement of Jake’s opinion.
They were both coming from the cartoon era. The Harts were not meant to work a mic. Anvil was a ass kicker but Their technical prowess made up for shit mic work. He was easily the most boring champ ever to hold the mic. Maybe Bob Backlund was worse 🤷🏻♂️. Shawn was too small to be a champ in the WWF, but his charisma was unmatched at the time. The reason they were champs when they were is because Hogan & Macho left the WWF in a bad way. Undertaker coulda stepped in & been a 3 year champ, but that wasn't the business anymore.
Jake's issues with the both of them. It's not that he's jealous. Behind the scenes, writing Angles and trying to get them (Bret &Shawn) to do angles. They were very difficult. So that turned Jake off on both of them, Point blake period. Jake is old school, so when they got angles, they sold them.
Bret and Jake were supposed to work a program in 1992 after Wrestlemania 8. I think these two would have a completely different opinion of each other if they had a few matches.
Bret sold insanely well, considering that he was the champ when the industry was at a low point, but mainly carrying the WWF at the time at the peak of the whole steroid scandal, which caused viewership and sales to dip. The fact that Bret was able to keep the company going during that time says a lot. I didn't like Bret back in the day, now I do.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Here’s mine, Brett was given several runs with several belts. Jake had none. Ted was offered a role of a lifetime and did well with that. When both Ted and Brett’s run came to an end both offered lucrative contracts with WCW during the Monday night wars, Jake wasn’t. Jake was an incredible talent heel or face. Great mic skills too. At the end of the day it’s all a work. It’s about drawing and making money. I think Brett did better on both.
Not to mention on Jakes 2nd run with WWE he was used to help put Steve Austin over or job to him. Austin had a great run with both Brett and Shawn. In all fairness Jake did with Ted. Brett had a phenomenal match with Benoit too.
Shawn and Brett both could have and carry matches with big men very well too.
I’m glad to see Jake doing so well too.
Jake was his own worst enemy. He was a complete mess at that time so yeah, nobody wanted that headache. There's a lot of bitterness and jealousy in Jake when he speaks.
Bret and Shawn were the beginning of the 90's era. Jake doesn't see them as champion because he sees the Macho/Hogan title runs and Bret and Shawn wouldn't have been big stars on their own then. Jake probably would have thought someone like Razor Ramon should have been WWF Champion.
Jake has an opinion and isn’t bothered if people don’t agree. At least he says what he thinks. Michael’s and Hart were two greats.
Jake couldn't lace either Bret or Shawn's boots. Both sold their asses off, pure jealousy from Jakey.
Jake isn't the first to say he "didn't get Bret", Vader said the same once. I'm a bit surprised that Jake wouldn't appreciate Bret over Shawn as they seem to have more in common. Didn't Jake say earlier that he thought guys like Bret and Shawn were too small to be champions anyhow?
If circumstances hadn't forced WWF to begin moving Bret and Shawn into the top positions I might never have started watching WWF seriously again after learning about kayfabe and dismissing wrestling as childish and comical.
Completely agree with Jake. HBK selling was great when he was on the come up.. but it did get less and less as he began becoming the main guy. Nobody disagrees that Bret was never in a hurry for anything and his mic skills are subpar
as hard as they were pushed, Bret was still more over than Lex in '93 and Diesel in '95 so he must've been doing something right.
He wasn't over as you think. Luger was supposed to be the champion but Bret Hart cried backstage and they did the count out finish to water down the backstage heat between Lex and many wrestlers who wanted a main event push like Ramon, Shawn, Bret and a few.
Again with Diesel was Vince idea and when. It wasn't doing anything well Patterson and Gerald brisco told Vince to go with Shawn.
Shawn and Bret both belonged to the low card division. Only because of Prichard, Brsico and Patterson being a fan of them gave them a run with the belts.
The ppv buys, house shows etc prove how big of flops were Bret and Shawn.
Ted dibiase, cornette and even others hate these outsiders like Hogan, warrior or Goldberg so they keep shitting on them.
Just because they have a high regard for Bret and Shawn doesn't make them successful.
@@afdcg Bret got way louder pop than Luger at 94 Rumble
@@doomedhuh all that doesn't prove that he could draw.
Bret Hart was a long term baby face at that time. Lex was a WCW and had not toured much in WWF territory. Luger schedule in 93 was very less. He hardly did house shows.
Fans probably had seen Bret more than Luger at that point.
You can go back and see the footage and Lex Lugers entire reaction isn't showed in the clip. Then they switch to Bret and show the entire audience reaction. They mostly did that because Bret was planned to win the belt on wrestle mania.
@@afdcg Bret was more popular. They gave him a trophy on raw for being voted superstar of the year by the fans in 93
@@doomedhuh no point being popular if you can't draw.
Had WWF stuck with Bob Backlund even if he was over, WWF would be in the territory days.
Again despite being over Luger was a part of some of 1994 bigger sell outs of tours
I recall Bret always having has leg "injured" in his matches quite often, allowing his opponent to beat the crap out of his leg. Thought he did a pretty good job with that.
I never had any problem with Hitman's wrestling. He had a solid moveset and and did everything with highest precision. Made wrestling look real. However his personality was a bit dull, he was always being whiny, bitter and serious in every interview from what I can remember. Never in a happy mood. That was already before the Montreal screwjob. Didn't get any better after that.