Tottenham To Green Light Ivan Toney & Marcus Edwards?
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4 goals in 14 games. Other Striker alternatives get criticised for not scoring for a couple of matches, but not Toney,who became elite at 28, during his ban 🤡. Why did all the other teams backed down on him? 🤔 and why do Brentford ask half the price from Jan.
Brain dead
Sean, mate. My objection to Toney, is that he is 28 years old, and 50m, plus wages is too much to pay in my opinion. I, do, however, believe Marcus Edwards would be a quality, squad addition. COYS.
Neither
With respect to Edwards
Brentford manager likes reguilon and he would at least be sold for 20 to 25 million. If spurs can sell him to brentford and take toney it would be great deal for both. And that toney transfer would come down. And toney has premier league experience.
@@manjunathprabhu9053 Deluded
porro edwards link up 🔥
Sesko for me over Toney (considerably younger, cheaper and more prolific).
Lets be honest Tony got that shotta attitude talented but would be no team spirit and no loyality It would only work in spurts. Might aswell stick with Richie .
If you have that attitude might as well stick with Richie, then we will NEVER challenge that top 3 or win the prem. We cannot carry passengers, Richie is NOT good enough to challenge top 3 and win the prem !
I watch Edwards regularly for Sporting here in Lisbon and he's a tricky little player but he's not the standard that we require and doesn't even start regular for Sporting anymore, I wouldn't rate him higher than Solomon tbh.
perfect levy signing then another 2nd rate lad
I think that's why there's rumours for him and Walker-Peters, it's just signings to fill the "home grown at club" rules for Europe. I think Noni Madueke would count as home-grown at club too so that might be a better signing for Spurs than Gallagher if Chelsea do need to sell then they'd probably consider selling him if they got their money back as I think they've got quite a few wingers anyway.
That's also why I think they're buying 18 year olds like Bergvall and Vuskovic, if you get them when they are 18 and they stay at the club for 3 consecutive years then they count as homegrown at club (which is the lowest age now since Brexit, we can't get Fabregas at 16 like Arsenal did). If they got out on loan to a team in England I think they'll count as "homegrown" but I think Spurs want the "homegrown at club" as that will make it easier for them in a few years time if they are in Europe.
I rate Solomon higher than all our wingers except Sonny
I remember Marcus from when he was at primary school practising in the playground with his dad while waiting for his older brother. You could see the talent even then.
When he played against us a couple of seasons ago, he tore our defence apart.
It was great to meet you at the weekend.
Sonny aint going to Saudi. Its also about player wants not just xlub wants.
He wants to find some form - totally desserted him !
Sean can you please explain to me why you think Toney is any better than Richie , Toney had his best season scoring 20 goals from the 9 with 6 penalties Richie had his best season at Everton on the left wing with 13 goals no penalties and does Toney even press
24k up Seany!! Brilliant, mate, truly brilliant. 👏
If Ange wants them, you know the rest. Big up Sean and the whole STS!
Would love Marcus Edwards to come back and be a success at Spurs.
porro n edwards link up again 🔥
Sesko is my first choice striker, and this is by a mile, then Ferguson and then Toney and Solanke. I prefer KWP to be HG and to replace Emerson as back-up to Porro and maybe Udogie then Edwards.
Sorry, I do not see us selling Sonny any time soon
Get Benjamin Sessko
I remember Sporting saying we forfeited the sell on clause as part of the Porro deal. In any case, I still wouldn't have Edwards. He's essentially another gamble we'll have to sit with for 4 years. We need to start signing ready made players, the academy boys can fill these other spots. The lack of depth might hurt us short term but I'd much rather that than dealing with another Ndombele/Lo Celso case.
Much rather do Eze or Olise with the second signing being Toney. We can always give Timo a 3 year contract on reduced wages.
Great channel Sean
He placed 13 bets on his team to lose. 29 bets on club he registered with. He shared inside information to others and uses 3rd party accounts to place bets. He also gave false answers to the investigation. Well, that's a lot of red flags to ignore. This is far worse than arrogance.
Most chairman's and footballers bet on their own teams to win or lose . The PL is flooded with dirty money . The online bookies are offshore companies. laundering dirty money . 😊
Rather risk it on a Sesko :)
We definitely need a striker who can lean up against a defender, stay strong, and win the 50/50. You'd think richarlison could do it but he ends up on the floor 90% of the time. Even taiwo awoniyi would do a better job leading the line than our current 9s.
Sesko is probably not possible but he’d be first choice. Need a clause in toneys contract so we don’t pay him if banned to keep him honest. I like Edwards but probably means Kulu is mainly 8/10 going forward and I’d still want Eze to do a similar thing on the left. But those 3 for Gil Solomon Perisic/werner and GLC would be a big step up in the final third
The other question to raise about Marcus Edwards is his size. That's not a red flag, just a question as to whether he can cope with the physicality of the EPL - the question asked about Bryan Gil, after all. Edwards is only 1.68m. I'd be most interested in any winger's ability to cross both on the ground and onto a striker's head. Spurs really, really lost out this season through Perisic's injury. People were asking 'what if VdV had been fit all season?' I ask the same about Perisic. I think much of the fan vitriol about Johnson is masking the fact that, when he came in, it was likely his first season would be as a squad player/impact subsitute, but when both Solomon and Perisic were goners, he was thrust in earlier than expected. Perisic is the sort of standard of crossing recruiters should be benchmarking against. A winger worth EPL wages should be able to cross accurately to near post, far post and the penalty spot and shouldn't be giving the goalkeeper catching practice. It's also arguable that they should be able to cross with both feet, since that means a defender doesn't have the option of just pushing them onto their weaker foot. I'd rather a slightly less impressive athlete that delivers pin point crosses and can bamboozle defenders than a sprinter that misfires 50% of crosses, to be honest.
Both Olmo and Edwards are not prolific goalscorers, so they should be judged on their goal contributions rather than scoring exploits, probably.
Ivan Toney: you could easily say that any contract signed contains 'consequences clauses' regarding a return to gambling. No pay if any suspension is incurred, any sign on bonus released on a yearly basis over the contract and cancelled if any regression occurs. There's no point being held to ransom - Toney is quite expensive and alternatives exist if his agent starts getting silly. But you need a striker to be arrogant and a bit selfish at the top level. So if Toney is realistic, humble and honest about all of that, there should be ways to find a deal acceptable to all parties in principle. You could also structure a deal with bigger incentives toward the end of the contract i.e. more guaranteed pay year 1, less year 4 but more 'pay as you score' incentives. That's a way to keep a player hungry throughout a contract and a way to minimise the risk uncertainties of the future for the club. It also makes a player more saleable as their guaranteed salary becomes more affordable for slightly smaller clubs (if you think his Tottenham move is to be the highest level he will get at club level if things go well at Spurs). Obviously, if he does so well that the absolute elite clubs come calling, his salary won't be a hindrance to them.
Foden... David silva, bernardo silva, Hazard, Mahrez...all on the shorter side... yet can still cope with the "physicality" of the Prem
Addelstone ! Very local to me as I’m in Woking ! In the videos I thought I recognised the scenery …… I guess you’re weybridge based ? COYS !!!
Big up Sean see u at the game
Was annoyed when we sold Edwards, more of a dribbler and quicker than Deki but similarly goes left a lot but at least there is productivity or attempts at productivity whenever he does! Interestingly Edwards needs a player good in the air like Toney (or Veliz) to exploit his crosses. Would take both despite wage demands and not approving of Toney’s betting issues.
God bless, Seany.
Home grown is going to be significant for our summer strategy. We’re clearly observing avenues in what area the HG meets the position requirements. Either way HG is going to dent a good percentage of the budget.
There are couple ways to look at his situation at Brentford. 1. It's really bad if he is running down his contract after the damage he done to Brentford. 2. Brentford wanted to sell him asap because he already lost team mates. He has no future at Brentford. 3. Gambling addiction is a risk for longer bans in the future. You sign Toney for 40-50m. If he gambles again, how you replace your star striker in mid season? Your 50m striker becomes worthless.
Edwards is a good player he is home grown and from the Tottenham area and Tottenham trained. Nonetheless, is he going to improve our squad, yes, he does. But the problem with our squad is Solomon, Johnson, Warner, are poor quality and need replacing this summer. Edwards is better than them, definitely. But thats partly because how poor quality our front wingers are not fully down to that Edwards is better than them in every way ability wise. Even Son could be moved on considering his age and some of his preformenses this season. I'm uncertain of selling Son because he is still our best player for Spurs! Overall, I'm uncertain whether Edwards is a good enough quality signing considering who is out there to purchase this summer and the fact that Edwards doesn't start regularly for his club. 🤔
Big up shawn hope ur well would love toney n Edwards plus brought the 91 retro shirt absolutely gorgeous
If the rules are in our favour then yes to Marcus Edwards
Addlestone! My grandma used to live there - used to love spending time there in school holidays.
Happy with Toney if he brings the goals and leaves the baggage.
Bro u most be joking for thinking about selling Sony
Don't have the money to go but thanks for offering 🙏🏽
You never cure a gambling problem and you can get better than him.
Or even Pedro Goncalves?
Thumbs UP! - For EDWARDS!
Ange likes a target man to keep a low block guessing...... Also when Ange managed Australia and didn't have the cattle, he had no better option than Tim Cahill's head.
Tony had no pre season, he's brilliant
Toney and eze and william,toney great set pieces,big strong in box,clinical,his strong as
Great content - as always. Ange has already said that Sonny is staying. I believe Toney will be an asset. Sell Richy to Saudi and then we still have the original budget to improve other areas of the team.
Dunno about Toney but I would be very happy with bringing Edwards back home again
Tonali hasn’t had his ban extended. He’s been given a two moth suspended ban. He’s due to be back August 27th.
No to Ivan, Yes to Marcus, and in relation to the latter, look into Rafa Mujica. The guy is perfect for Ange ball with his 20 goals in Portuguese top flight and a team player despite only having only 2 assists (Arouca is in 7th and looks to not be great at finishing). Give him a look.
Toney would elevate us as a first team instantly he has all the playing qualities we are calling for and imo the gambling was boredom playing for a low league table club but regardless of that I think we go get him asap
Not sure about Toney but worth a punt...much rather Giminez but as you say maybe get both... Still think the midfield needs fixing as well because we badly a midfield Ball winner 😮
But after just watching the Spurs v Burnley game think we need one to play in front of the back four because Bissouma is just not good enough 😮😮
Good striker. Comes with risks. Dont think Ange will buy into his attitude/personality. As a 2nd Striker then most likely. If he cost 50m-60m no more. Wages gotta be less then everyone in the Spurs squad unless he banging in more goals then everyone else and at least 25+
No to either of them, Toney's hugely gone off the boil since his ban and Edwards can't get in the Sporting team at the moment. We should be looking at Bakayoko, Minteh or Zhegrova before Edwards too. Striker wise we should go for either Gimenez or Sesko who have far higher ceilings and don't come with the risk of Toney
Toney for me a game changer. A true Kane replacement
I think you’re not making many friends in Seoul! lol. Enjoy the game mate. Can’t see anything but a win. Big up!
What are you talking about in regards to Marcus Edwards? He's only got 4 goals and 5 assists in the Portuguese league this season? That's worse than Kulusevski and Johnson.
Toney Eza oilse Paulinho all 4 players would start for us amd take us to the next level
Complete woofull from this channel
Solanke or Sesko(1st choice ).Not sure about Gimenez maybe
Vlahovic?
Prime Toney might have made sense but at this stage in this rebuild it’s not worth the gamble wen Santiago is only 70-80
Gotta consider the locker room impact of Toney, seems like maybe not the best character, would rather a player of lesser quality who has character
I dont think Toney would get past Ange. Ange knows he didn't want come to us if Arse or better came in for him.
I said hello and you blanked me - 😂
I can't deny Toney as a player, think he would do well, but his overall attitude worries me!! On Marcus, we should never of sold him in the first place, he was a great talent, but I would take him back as long as the fee is not astronomical!! I think our sell on clause is only 20% now, there was a reduction of it included in the Porro deal, I'm not 100% on this though. A positive on both players is they're both homegrown, something we are very short on and maybe even shorter if we have a summer clear out!!
Toney is a good striker regarding the betting aspect it’s a yellow flag for me but in today’s market for a prem proven 50m bargain
And with Edwards didn’t we wave sell on to sign porro I heard?
Eze and partner 100%❤
Yes please to both but let's fix our major problems first. First week of the window will.show whether our data driven recruitment is working if we are quick out of the blocks. New players will need time to adapt. Dragusins lack of game time is all down to a disastrous night at Fulham. Had we progressed in one of both cups then there would have been opportunities. Ange has to learn to set up to win knock out ties. No cups for just playing our way.
I would also get gazzaniga back as goalkeeper
Sean and Bugsy . Toney I don't mind . Think he should have learnt his lesson if he loves football.. We need a Striker. Don't know much about Edwards now. We need better than some of we have got.
To those who have concerns about Toney's attitude and the whole gambling thing ask Brentford fans. What do they say, they know him best.
Please Daniel, bring in Toney
The flag for me is his time at Norwich when he was sent back for alleged poor behaviour.
Yep I'd cash in Sonny now. As much as I love him. 80 mil for a declining 31-year-old would be a good deal.
It's not just what he does on the pitch though, as he brings in 10s of millions in extra revenue
@aaronbeat1136 That's great for the business, but no good for the team.
We as fans want the team to do well
I beg to differ, he's a club legend, keep him until his career is over or he wants to leave and bring in his understudy.
TRAVASITY THAT EDWARDS IS NOT PLAYING WITH US!
I really don’t want Toney. Sounds contradictory as I often criticise us for penny-pinching, but I don’t see the value in buying Toney. If we were going to spend £60m+ on a homegrown player then I’d rather it be Olise or Eze.
If TONEY is 50mil what MBUEMO cost? I'd be more interested in that.
Good prospects but do we want Toney with his backstory? 🤔
LFG 🔥 COYS!
Yes sign him but put in his contract if he's caught betting then while/if he banned then no pay on ban, even ability to sack no pay out...
Whats hes pressing like? That is important in angeball
We need to bring in a younger striker and mold him into the team.
I don’t want Toney I would prefer Gimenez , Isak , Solanke or Watkins
But I would like to see Marcus Edward’s because he is great system and fits the system perfectly
of course Spurs are being connected with Tony but so have West Ham, Chelsea. Man U and Arsenal even think Newcastel are linked
Sign him. Spurs are toothless upfront
Dont want either not good enough
Yeah let's win UCL with bang average players that are expensive with that English tax!!
They could've got SÊSKO or DOVBYK or some other great striker but no , now we're left with absolute tap in,heading, penalty merchant with shit open play with no PROGRESSIVE carries,no build up ,no crossing ability ,no passing ability
Yeah 🤣 we'll win european trophies with toney.
Definitely LEVY interrupting in a coach's decision again
50 mill is a bargain, and if he wants to gamble he can always take up poker, without having a compliance issue
I can see a move for Edwards by Crystal Palace if they lose Olise and are willing to stump up the £35m Sporting are likely to ask them for.
Toney for 50 mil is worth it. He elevates us
As good as Tony could be .... a BIG NO from me. Thanks🤔
Fair enough, someone else will get him and he will score goals. He knows the EPL and is less of a risk than these overseas potentially good strikers
What about Summerville?
I don't want Toney and better choices for us who are younger
From chanting ivan toney you should have cashed out to ivan toney you should come cash out?
I'll take edwards happily. Ivan I'm not sold on yet. COYS
Like Toney Edwards , but prefer Sesko and Roony Bardghji
green light all we want players and people are clued up to our board and know it will fail ,, maybe thats why we seem to end up with the runts of the transfer litter AKA the crap no one wants
Trying to say more to bonding than wins & losses
No to Toney (overrated in imao) better options out there. Edwards would be good though.
Wasn't Edwards' sell on fee waived as part of the deal that brought Porro in? Don't see Toney happening. Ange is big on attitude issues. Feeling Giminez is the most likely. Don Fabio seems to have already laid the ground work. Also Make weight options, e.g. Veliz going to Feynoord on loan as part of the deal or indeed Vangelis Pavlidis could also work. Has scored more goals than Giminez this season in Eredivisie. Big, strong boy. Kind of player for English game. Veliz could head to AZ on loan as part of the deal. Edwards - how does Bryian Gil and 15 MN sound Great for all parties concerned from my side. One guy needs to resurrect his career. The other needs to take his resurrected career to the next level.
Can Toney have an immediate dismissal clause if he’s charged with gambling again?
I’d take Edwards over Johnson any day
Why are spurs fans concerned with the money side of things. It’s not there’s just pay what’s needed to get proven prem players in sons better on the left and Richardson’s a backup at best
Ivan Toney is such an addict that he has to gamble SPECIFICALLY on games he’s not allowed to gamble on. Just to get that same rush. Meh. 😊
yes Toney, he can take a chance, our finishing is non existent !
4 goals since he returned, so much for taking a chance and finishing.
@@jeffrman777 You make the mistake of comparing the chances that our front 3 miss and if Toney will take them - YES he will take them in my opinion, Brentford are not Spurs you are not comparing like with like. Some of the chances we are missing a schoolboy could take, he cannot do any worse than our pathetic efforts !!
@@TooDarnSoulful Based on what? He missed like 4 sitters against United. There are players at Brentford with more goals per minute than Toney. Solanke plays in Bournemouth and look at how many goals he scored this season. Are Bournemouth that much better than Brentford at creating chances? What exactly is this Toney hype based on?
@@jeffrman777 I rate him and he may be picked for England, all about opinions. I am dying to know who your choice would be ?
@@TooDarnSoulful Sesko, Zirkzee, Gyokeres, Openda, Solanke, Guirassy, Gimenez. I would take any of these over Toney.
24k subs and we'll earnt !!
If Ange feels he can get something out of them then ok. But Gibbs’s white and Solanke better. And what about Eze?
Otherwise no,no,no.
I like toneybut I’m not totally sold … but selling our captain and losing all that revenue w get from him ? That’s mad..