"THE ONE THING DIDDY HAD OVER JERMAINE DUPRI WAS...." JOC EXPLAINS..DROP A COMMENT
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Joc just showed me that he would do more as an executive rather than an artist. It was great to see how intelligent he is
Agree
I don’t think y’all appreciate the soso def bass allstar movement if you not from the south. That’s prime southern music.
Jermaine Dupri had Big on a song with Brat. #Classic
B-Sides
He also did the Big poppa remix that didn’t work
Jd did Ari Lenox pressure
"The streets consistently contradict the streets "! That's real talk and should be the theme for 2023 and beyond 💯
I'm jealous I didn't say that first Salute Edrice real m/f talk!!!
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Say less! Best bit of knowledge I wished that I would've acquired back in the 80's & 90's! Bravo Edrice Cepheus, Bravo 👏👏
The YSL situation
You know what's funny.... It seems like everybody forgot that Diddy produced multiple albums of Mary j Blige, jodeci, usher's first album, invented the remix (nobody was doing remixes prior to Diddy) etc...has done songs with Mariah Carey too.... Did y'all forget Honey featuring the Lox and Mase? That's just a tip of the iceberg. I'm not taking nothing away from JD, But just because puff don't write songs doesn't mean he doesn't orchestrate it.
Exactly!!!!
False… Diddy never produced anything he executive produced. If he has anything to do with a song, album, or anything he wants a producer credit…
Put JD and Puff in a studio alone, only one walks out with a complete record. JD.
People really sleeping on JD. Dude really can spit, produce and ✍️.. it’s not going to go like you think. #AtlHoe
What can Jermaine play against who shot ya? 10 crack commandments? Or any of the lox. But jus biggie alone. And Jay z American gangsta album
@@bbkingme8831 Diddy has his own songs which is what Joc was saying. Even if it's only his own songs from his own albums Diddy has a super STRONG 20
That you Big Gipp? Since when has JD been considered somebody who can spit? Lol he had ghostwriters
@@bbkingme8831 All respects to JD, but Puff had a GOAT on his roster, JD can't counter BiG in no way.
he cannot spit...LOL Better than diddy, yeah. But he's average at best.
Great interview
Dope segment
JD confirmed that he has written/produced a hit record every year. His catalog is crazy.
As a New Yorker please excuse my blasphemy, but I’m goin wit JD. He is a writer and a player of instruments, as a great pretender myself. I do put extra respect in that.
NY so bias it’s INSANE. 🤦🏾♂️ You had to excuse yourself for your OWN opinion 😂 This sh*t is crazy! 😂😂😂😂
As a NEW YORKER I AGREE
New Yorkers not biased,they just not gonna let no one take away their credit for starting that hip hop shit.And ALWAYS BEING IN THE GAME!
@@peedot39 Nah. Don’t do that, that’s not even what the topic is.
I'm from Harlem / Washington Heights. I agree. 💯
real talk enjoyed this
🔥🔥🔥🔥 These Gems
Can’t lose with a young Joc interview 👍🏽
I am rolling with JD too
People have to realize that JD had only two kids acts on his label. He had more than one artists on So So Def. He had Kris Kross, Trina Broussard, Xscape, Monica(Management only), Bow Wow, Playa Poncho, Jagged Edge, Fundisha, Whodini, Dem Franchize Boyz, Harlem World, Ghost Town DJ's, R.O.C., TLC (Management only), T. Waters, YoungBloodZ, Bone Crusher, Anthony Hamilton, Daz Dillinger, 3LW, Miss B, Brooks Buford, Rocko, DJ Felli Fel, Young Capone, Hot Dollar, Johntá Austin, Dondria, 9th Ward, Leah Labelle, who had passed away and he had Lil Jon, which he was working for So So Def as a A&R since 1993 and he had put together the So So Def Bass All Stars album compilations.
Gat Murda blurts out some wrong shit outta nowhere EVERY episode 😂😂😂😂 one episode they were talking about different eras of the South and Gat came outta nowhere with "PETEY PABLO"😂😂😂😂😂 that shit almost killed me😂😂😂😂
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Y'all get off My Man Gat.. That's the BROOKLYN WAY😏
“JD WAS POPPIN KIDS OFF” 😂pause bruh we in NY lol
I’m surprised they let that slide lol they say pause about everything
Allll in the video! Alll in the song !! All in pictures !! Lol 😂
This is a funny segment… This also shows the difference between how their artists turned out… Joc is praising Diddy’s showmanship and how he made himself the flag bearer of Bad Boy… While JD built SoSoDef and allowed his artists to be the stars of their projects… Ppl not familiar are gonna learn a lot about how deep JD roots go…
Real talk interview fasho shout out to you brother's let's talk about it
the real verzuz should be Puff vs. Dre, JD need to battle Dallas Austin
There are three types of talent. I know it makes me sound old but hear me out. You have true artistry. Talent that can write and create works of art like JD. Then you have the Beyonce type that can act out what is written and perform it masterfully. Definitely talented but behind the scenes someone is teaching choreography, writing the lyrics, making the beats. I feel like you can be rich but not a great artist by simply being great at copying style. Diddy is simply who he has stood next to. Beyonce is a master of recognizing great work and performing that work. There is no Diddy without Big and the other artists. So, before you hate just step back and think about it. Would you consider it a great painting if someone else painted it and another person just copied it and put their name on it? We have to separate the artistry from the promoters. Diddy is great at making money off someone else’s art but the real artist is JD. Respect both, but one is dependent on someone else’s creativity and the other is truly creative. Beyonce is somewhere in the middle of both like an actor or something.
Puff was the hottest young executive in the game as exec his job was to find the hottest producers writers and artist for his labels to be successful the Nigga literally ran the 90’s Uptown and Bad Boy he was so hot La Reid hired him to help roll out Outkast and Usher
@@MrWARBUCKS24 hmmm... Well this Is wrong! Diddy is one of the GOATS no doubt about it BUT he's not the youngest when it comes to executive roles. JD did it a younger age. And yes L.A REID let Diddy produce the first Usher's album but did it work? NO. That's why REID gave Usher to JD for the second round and that's when we had "My Way", then " 8701" and after that JD produced "Confessions" 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@MrWARBUCKS24 He is a great executive , true. I'm just saying he isn't an artist. He is the Don King of the music industry. He isn't in the same category as JD. Would we compare Don King to Ali or Tyson?
What about the painter who painted somebody's idea. The painter shouldn't be the only one getting credit cause they drew it. If the painter was never told to paint that picture by someone it wouldn't exist.
Beyonce writes too.. You kind of discredited her., I get what you’re saying but you’re not saying it all
Diddy or JD both very talented there on my top 5 list of producer's for sure but I feel like people don't take JD as serious he damn near focuses more on R&B
Diddy just put his name of shit, JD really wrote the song and made the beat
@@dwillwilliams1240 do u understand what a producer is he don’t have to physically touch the equipment
@@MrWARBUCKS24 Exactly💯 and the funny part is he does half the time and JD don't touch every project there's a guy named B.Cox that people forget about that's making the music lol
So whut RnB where it's at and been at n the 90s
@@tgmidaz223 Nah R&B coo but we talkin that bout that Rap shit when it come to these Verzuz
It’s gonna be a blowout! And I feel bad for JD cause he really deserves his flowers, but puff is HIM!!!
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LOL.....Diddy ain't had a hit since Black Rob's Whoa
@@TommieGun71 and JD didn't have a hit since money ain't a thing 🎯
@@TommieGun71 I laughed out loud 🤣🤣🤣 don't do bruh like dat
Jd got songs on the chart tho as of 2022 tho y’all sleeping on that man he ghost wrote an written so many songs for people
The song with JD and Nas is I Got to Have It, featuring Monica.
That welcome to Atlanta remix with Diddy. They’ll end versus with that 🔥🔥
Yeaaah!! It will Be fire!! 🔥🔥
Nobody wanna hear that
Thank y'all for having the maturity to not say "pause" when Joc said "JD was popping kids off"😩
I said it 😂
Joc is not from NY so when he says things, his mind is not in "dirty mode"
I ain't gonna lie math gotta chill with that..a guest will be in a serious moment speaking on historical facts and here they come with that pause shid🤦🏽♂️..it says alot when you always find gay connotations in EVERYthing, even when there's no intent there.. 🤔
I listened to 4 hours of music produced by Diddy. He worked with alot of artists as well. You'll be surprised. It's gonna come down to music selection, guest, and performance.
Diddy showmanship > JD
He worked with a lot of other producers too
@@markwilson1071 So has Jermaine, Dre, Kanye, and other big name producers. It's usually a team effort.
@@jamellgordon6108 yeah but Diddy plays 0 instruments nor write. He's a great business man bc he was the owner of all of the work his producers put out.
@@jamellgordon6108 Tru
JD has songs to keep up but Diddy has the showmanship
As much as I hate to admit it, you are right! Unfortunately, in front of a crowd, showmanship has the advantage. JD is the overall better producer/writer but nobody is gonna care about that during a versus. I respect what both of them has given to culture though.
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Boom! Showmanship....Bad Boy concerts was🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wrong
JD actually wrote and produced, period. Diddy hired all his writers and producers.
The songs Diddy is affiliated with are definitely my favorite and a part of my life, but what you're saying is true. I wonder why this major factor goes overlooked. If you put both of them in 2 separate rooms with the tools to create a song, only 1 of them comes out with anything. Diddy's role is essential but in the way that Dj Khaled's is.
@safiyaworld Khaled actually makes beats too. Lot of people dint know that.
@@betbet5606 Yeah I saw that video last year where he unsuccessfully tried to make a beat. He knows his strengths and excels at them. He's great at what he does. Again, that's why he's more comparable to Diddy.
@safiyaworld that video showed him working on who knows what, but to say that proves he can't produce a beat is an exaggeration. He doesn't make every beat on his albums, but he has made some and even for other artists as well.
@@betbet5606 Of course it proves he's not great at producing. 🤷🏾♀️ He tried and it wasn't good. You're talking about some beats made 10 years ago. Lol It's not debatable. He does not make beats. He's an executive producer. And he's great at it. A verzus with Khaled won't consist of a bunch of hits that he physically made beats for. What are you arguing. 🤦🏾♀️ Listen to his description of what he does. It's on CZcams. He orchestrates the overall production. So you're arguing with him? Lol
Respect to both but Diddy is a genius mogul. Even though he may not be more talented than JD musically Diddy will def invest in the best producers, writers, singers, artists
Yeah u from NY I can tell. U bein bias 😂 SMFH
@@BeatzByJones No bias. I honestly don’t even fuck with Diddys music like that. But if I was an artists and I had to chose who to go with I’m taking diddy. His resources are beyond NYC.
@@flex_nyc9885 Right. That proves my point. You don’t even fw music and u STILL went wit him 🤦🏾♂️😂
@@flex_nyc9885 the problem is This: Diddy will fuck you with a shitty contract, take a part of your publishing and make you pay for all these expansive music videos. I hope you have your own publishing and that you write your lyrics? He will dry you off of your rights 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@BeatzByJones I guess you didn’t understand my reasoning for choosing him. I don’t have to fuck with his music. I’m going to him for his international resources. Gotta take your emotions out of the business. JD is super talented but if you were to go to Africa, Brazil, PR, DR, Dubai and showed them a picture of Diddy and a picture of JD who do you think they will recognize first?
I love your swag ❤🎉 0:45
Diddy already won 🎯
How tf did JOC turn into JADAKISS @ 5:45?? 😂😂😂😂
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the difference is, Diddy is literally only a marketer. JD actually makes his music from scratch. that takes a lot more mental power. Diddy could afford to market cuz it ain’t like he’s writing songs.
5:50 wow that's crazy
Everybody know to leave Dre TF alone 🤫
Dr. Dre = Thanos
Why, its only 20 records not 100
Diddy a whoop em
DRE different and I'm from Harlem
Lol when quik better
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Watch Diddy pull a Dipset move and not play the 🔥 songs in his catalog. If he play anything after the G-Dep and Shyne era it’s over. Don’t play none of them weak acts. He better play everything from Biggie to the G-Dep/ Shyne era.
The thing that people don't realize is that JD is a beast!! He kills it on R&B and on Hip-hop! Just as Diddy and you can't name many producers who signed and produced platinum and gold superstars like JD and Diddy. To me it's only both of them in the game! Dr Dre is the best when it comes to Hip-hop but for the R&B part? He ain't signed big R&B acts! 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️ Rodney Jerkins made big hits on R&B but what about the Hip-hop part? You see? JD and Diddy are the only ones in the music industry to do that!! But now here is my point of view: when it comes to Hip-hop Diddy wins with Biggie and his own tracks. JD got Da Brat and Bow Wow but they ain't on the same level. But when you move on to the R&B side? Diddy won't be able to battle against Usher and Mariah Carey's hits that JD produced! Period. So the selection will Be important. For me, JD is the winner for the R&B part and Diddy wins when it comes to hip-hop 😎😎
Maybe r&b diddy got hip hop c’mon cross cross and bow wow lol lol c’mon man.Ugly xscape bitches.lol lol c’mon man.
Yeah but Diddy got Mary J Blige she got hits to get tho
@@wandaerving3065 Yes but that's where things get confused: Diddy didn't produce all MJB's hits! And, to be honest, I don't know which MJB's songs can beat Usher's "You got it bad", " Burn " or "Confession" all produced by JD or Mariah's "We belong together"? This gonna be hard for Diddy
@@heatmentouch Nobody cares who did what and how many producers made the song on verzuz. Puff Daddy will win even if he only uses his features and records as an artist.
Diddy wins hands down, you didn't even mention Mase, NY not losing to no country dudes
A And math was saying it as I was typing wow
we need to tighten up one the audio and video editing fellas. reach out if necessary for input.
9:08 - 9:10 is crazy and also the harsh sounding language edits in the Toomp clips.
Some of y'all must be around 30 years old. Nothing JD has can fuck with those first 2 MJB albums. The only thing that is close is 8701 by Usher which is close. Diddy has Mase, the Lox, Biggie, Total, Craig Mack, Black Rob, Danity Kane, Day 26, Total. Even the later acts have 1 hit. Oh...CARL THOMAS. JD, would need Bow Wow to come out and put on a show. Mariah, J.E. and Exscape is not gonna do it. Diddy still got 112 too.
Don’t forget French Montana
diddy simply stuck his name on other peoples work. he cant play a instrument or beat machine or write a lyric, he's dj khaled before khaled. JD actually writes and produced the hits his name is on.
I'm 37....and you are Delusial. Jd will kill puff with just Mariah Carey.
Don't forget Puff Daddy as an artist
You can’t even be taken serious bringing up day 26 & danity kane. Might as well have brought da band too while you was at it. And outside of Flava in ya ear and whoa, who outside of NY really cares about black Rob & Craig Mack?
Diddy ain't got NOTHING on JD but New York/Eastcoast bias and favoritism.
Puffy ain’t even close never forgot JD in songwriters hof
Puff got showmanship and Mary j blige so I’m good
JD got hits wit Mary too goofy
JD got the song “I got to have it” wit NAS…. And I think they introduced Bow Wow at the end of that video
Yep, classic. Good times. Big Mommas house lol
He got 2 songs with Nas and they won’t work in verzus against Puff 1 with Nas
@@MrWARBUCKS24 That’s a fact. They aren’t his best. I got Puff in that versus but JD ain’t no slouch… I’m a fan a hip hop and it’s hits on both sides
My only problem with a verzuz is that you shouldn't be allowed to use records you didn't yourself create. Slapping your name on a record and saying you made that when you know you didn't is disingenuous.
Puff winning even if he only uses his own records as an artist
Thats the music biz bruh
A producer don’t have to physically make the beat to be the producer
@@MrWARBUCKS24 That would be an A&R which is what Khaled does and Diddy has done that a lot. Which is why during that live with Dupri, Dupri was calling him out for not making a lot of those records he was playing.
@@ImCaliKidOfficial Exactly. Diddy, Suge, Khaled, Prince, Dre, JD are all EXECUTIVE producers
JD gonna have serious bangers with Mariah and Usher but Diddy is gonna kill it.
artistry wise JD is superior cuz he can make beats write the music etc but diddy had that jene se quios to make songs bigger and better.
It's verzus, track vs track you on some other sh*t
@mrcabone what part of what i said dont apply to a verzuz..? i said diddy made bigger and better songs so song for song clearly i think diddy gonna win
The ice eater was OD in the background
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JD never will out shine diddy ever …he don’t he talk enough 🤦🏾♂️😂😂
Shut yo goofy ahh up… go listen to country music 🤣💯
🤔 that would be epic. A Jay-Z vs Nas Verzuz via Diddy and JD. 😳
JD don’t have enough hip hop records I’d rather see Puffy vs Dre
That would be insane.. a flashback of east coast vs west! That would do numbers!!!
I'm NY all day, but things might get ugly against Dre
@@mrcabone if Dre pull out 50 cent it’s over
@@bigfendii77 Easily lmaooo
Puffy dont have enough RNB records
Diddy easily
JD and Nas song was on that Big mommas house soundtrack
Jd gonna style on love 😂😅
We need Jody breeze up there next
Well Joc was signed to Diddy I know he’s excited about their hit resurgence during the versus 🎊🎊
JD is a DJ too. He would know what’s the best in a rotation
JD did a song with Nà over the Sledgehammer sample
Look at the careers of artists JD did the bulk of production and look at Puff. It’s really not even close, JD by a mile but Joc makes a solid point ✊🏼
JD got the evil genius smile on rn.. ppl sleep.. its gonna be a great battle.. ppl forget JD is an actual DJ.. a lot of these battles come down to showmanship.. Yea Diddy can perform but ill match that up with the DJ who can rock the crowd
Would the verzuz be bad boy vs so so def. Or would it be more about what they actually produced? Cause producing wise I got JD but if we talking labels and label acts then it goes to diddy
THE 3 BEST HIP-HOP RAP MIXED WITH RNB CREATING figures of all time is probably Dr.Dre and P.Diddy JD THEY TOOK THE CULTURE N GAME TO SOME OTHER LEVELS THAT WON'T BE MATCHED. U CAN FEEL HOW U WANT ABOUT DIDDY BUT U CAN'T DENY PUFF ACHIEVEMENTS AND IMPACT AND INPUT AND CLASSIC SHIT HE BEEN INVOLVED IN ON THE RAP HIP-HOP RNB GAME. IN HISTORY I PUT HIM ONLY BEHIND DR.DRE WHO IS NR 1 BUT DIDDY IS NR 2 OR 3 OR JD NR 2 OR 3. BUT JD UNDERRATED NEEDS MORE LOVE LIKE DIDDY AND DR.DRE 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 3 GOATS 🐐🐐🔥🔥🙏🏾🙏🏾🏆🥇😤🗣🎯🥶🥶🎨🪄😎😎🎤🎤
JD catalog is crazy
Diddy was all in tbe music videos dancing 😂😂
I couldn't pick one or the other...its like Prince vs Michael smh
It was Jody Breezy.. He wasn't the only one saying that..
You can block your blessings !!!✊🏾🙏🏾✊🏾
Bank takes all Money 💰💯
all about the benjamins baby
JD wrote Usher’s Confessions album. Seriously
Just the intro alone to victory is getting JD the fuck outta here!
If JD had not been so short and had more swag he may have been bigger. But even in the A he GM gets shitted on. Diddy came to ATL and was a bigger presence.
Diddy don’t write his shit JD do an one in the song writers HOF an the other one isn’t so der ya go goofy..
JD has more than you think
Team Bad Boy 🎉
J.D. wrote for usher, mariah carey need I say more
People sleep on JD hit songs just google who he wrote for and produced you will be shocked from rap legend Rnb and Pop . .I got him winning big
Jd got that joint with Mase to don't forget that
JD gone smoke his boots
Why you wear the dress Joc???
GO GET JOE MOSES OUT OF CALIFORNIA AND INTERVIEW HIM
Jeezy and Gucci mane was on the same tour together which is unbelievable
Maaaan puff not fuckin wit JD... JD is still writing shit for people today thats knocking
Young Joc look more like Young Joc then he do himself hahaha
He meant Diddy could get him through that NoRe door and Fat Joe's "gay mafia" lol
JD all day. He's a producer. Puff is a co producer
Diddy won't let his artist shine is what joc saying
The difference is jd makes the hits like the beat the structure of the song all that diddy jus connected n finds the hits idek if anyone ever seen diddy make a beat or a song jus him
Puff stood next to what's hot and was great at revamping old scool hits.
JD mimmicked what was hot in regards to hip hop. Examples, Brat was a female copy of Snoop, Kriss Kross was a direct copy of Naughty By Nature and even J-Kwon's Tipsy, the beat and some of the song mimmicked Grinding. I can go further. JD is definitely a better writer, especially for R&B.
Puffy ain't been hot since dirty money if that, that was his downfall
I'd love more coherent speakers.....and not sounding the sound just like the shaking of ice in the cup
I just feel like Diddy has always been outspoken and in your face and at times outshined his artists. Lol People underestimate Jermaine Dupri because he isn't as flamboyant as Puff Jermaine Dupri has quietly made tons of hits for other artist.
Hov would never pop out for “money ain’t a thing” 😂😂
He wins by default then.
I can't see Jay doing versus. Period
He did at the Soso Def anniversary
@@amirgashua3118 damn u right. He did. And it was only 10 years ago. Shit he might do it lol. I just couldn’t picture him getting on a verzuz as a guest. But idk if he did I could see him coming out for Puff first doin his young gz verse or doing a biggie verse
There's 0 chance Jay shows up for a cameo for Money Aint a Thing
I'm not doing business with somebody that's possibly gone stab me in the back
Thats because JD looked out for his artist best interest and hisself. Puffy only looked out for Puffy. JD from the south. Where we come from in the early 90s you couldn’t move shaky or you wouldn’t make it to be JD /So So Def/ southern pioneer. You had to be a solid dude to make it in the south on that level at that time. JD comee from the UGK/Geto Boys/8ballMJG era ..all solid dudes.
JD in the song writes hall of fame it’s only four other hip hop artists in there Hov Missy Elliot and the Neptune’s that say a lot JD got weapons of mass destruction lol
JD was the genius behind Usher's Confessions album. He got Maria, JE, Brat and Bow on speed dial. Don't play.
You mean the album JD wrote?
You know JD wrote and produced the hits off that album lmao
Negative
My bad y'all, I don't know why I wrote Diddy instead of JD🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bow and Brat,😂😂😂😂
JD copied what was already hot Snoop/Da Brat, House of Pain/Kriss Kross.