Swiss Style Brexit: Is Sunak Un-doing Brexit?
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Thus far the results of Brexit have been mixed at best, so with Britain's fortunes looking rough some are suggesting that the UK realigns with the EU. This could involve forging a 'Swiss Style' deal with the EU. So what would that mean & is it likely?
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You don't hear much about Brexit on German television anymore, and I'm sure it's similar in the other member states. It's history. What's done is done. If the UK is struggling, it's not the EU's problem.
Because its not working out how the Germans hoped.
đđđ We don't even hear about it in the UK. Tory backing media hide and divert all attention and the tories are holding the bbcs balls in their hands. You would think they would constantly talk about how amazing it is.
@@PhoenixLord777 oh you poor delusional thing: any dumber and you'll start walking backwards on your hands
And from spain I would like to add: we neither give a đ© anymore.
I mean you cant talk about it when nothing realy changes around it . Brexit isnt EUs problem funtionaly but economicly you woud want to havw the UK as partner of course with EU rules .
6 years later British politicians are still struggling understanding that the EU is not going to give them benefits without counterparts. EU protects the interest of its members/citizens, itâs not a charity!
Basically, British want privilege and benefits of EU members without the share responsibility and limitation.
For example, British want more lenient rules for their export product etc but on the other hand, they give strict export rules to other country.
But we're British, the EU should be paying us for the privilege of sitting off our coast!
please spare us the anti UK rhetoric. Brexit is a result of democracy being hijacked by a cadre of self serving lying bastards. The majority of UK citizens never wanted to leave the EU
European politicians are still struggling understanding that Americans are not going to give them security benefits without counterparts. NATO protection comes with a cost, it's not a charity!
Tell that to Hungary and Poland
As a European (Dutchman) I am actually pretty content with the way Brexit has been going.
Why? Because ever since, all these local 'exit' parties have lost their voice, since their listeners realized what it did to Britain, and how it can only be way worse for a mainland European nation.
Yup. The extreme right wing parties were starting to play around the idea of EU independence before Brexit. All of that is gone.
Also another thing put alot of these right wing parties in there place is there like of Putin till recent events.
They are still very active with isolationist, anti science, pro-eastern propaganda on socials and affiliated journals, but at least they are not a constant presence on TV anymore.
@@emib6599
Le Pen has lost 3 French Presidential elections in a row. Time for her to give up, she's never going to be President on an isolationalist stance.
Glad we did Europe a service in at least one way đ yeah I remember the domino affect we were sold, apparently frexit was next, that played out đ đ„Č
I hope you guys will actually get a functional government, that you guys like. Because at this rate with your P.M.'s, the king will have seen more P.M.'s in his first year, then the queen in total.
lmaooooo
@DoubtingThomas Where were you when the Brit decided to let and Indian billioniare oligarch run the birth place of the anglo sphere. Lol this so exciting to watch im watching karma come back in full circle while the brits destroy there own legacy in real time.
Well if the next one goes hopefully we will get a general election so we can vote the Muppet show out and replace them with the other Muppet show
None of these PM's have been voted in by the people.
The Queen had a few more years of life in her, but gave up her will to live when after meeting Boris Johnson and then Liz Truss.
I love how England still thinks it can just pick the deal it wants and everyone else will just be happy to accommodate them.
You do realise increase trade between Eu and UK also benefits the Eu.
@@maxdavis7722 You do realise that the UK had the best deal out of everyone when they were part of the EU, they blew it and on top of that left with such bad faith and so many bad relationships that no one wants to deal with them anymore?
@@maxdavis7722 the UK needs the EU, the EU does not need the UK
*UK
@@RealGOJI Ye know how ye lot whinge that the EU is a German/French/Belgian/WEF conspiracy?
Well to us and everyone that's unfortunate enough to have had ye visit the UK is just England and it's remaining colonies. Hence why Scotland isn't allowed leave and why ye don't gaf about the others opinions.
The problem with "free movement" is the fact that the british only want the benefits of traveling but want no foreigners in their counry.
Yes the british want free movement just for themselves....
It's not such a crazy request, though. We cannot all go to be crammed in Britain, can we? The problem is, they now still get immigrants but non-Europeans. Good luck with that. At least Europeans were culturally compatible with much greater prospects of returning to their base.
@@hermespsychopompos8753
The British didn't want the polish either, so that "we will if it's white people" doesn't even apply.
@@hermespsychopompos8753 you understand the definition of an immigrant, yes? those who go back and forth are residents, dual citizens and so on; immigrants come and stay, and bloody contribute to the economy. non-white immigrants are the least of problems for the crippled united kingdom right now, and frankly they deserve the consequences from believing in that silly bus.
@@evrtt_trn The British are capable people, they can increase productivity on their own. The goal is not simple bigger GDP for the nation. Blindly keep adding non-Europeans won't fix the issue, actually, only worse it will make it. The goal is to have the British people, and every other nation, to improve its people's standards of living.
As a french - therefore European - citizen, I can say that a "swiss style deal" is not on the table in Brussels. The relationship we have with Switzerland is way too complicated to manage and the needed evolutions quickly transform into a nightmare of endless negociations since potentially all agreements between the EU and Switzerland have to be reviewed to assess the impacts of the desired changes. There is no way we want that kind of framework for an agreement with the UK.
On a broader point of view, there is little appetite in the EU for a dive into British-European negotiations again. Trust has been deeply damaged and the UK is now seen as an untrustworthy partner, unwilling to abide by the treaties it has proposed, signed and passed into laws. If the UK is unable . unwilling to fullfill its current obligations, why on Earth would we accept to go through yet another unpleasant negotiations only to see the "partner" ditch the agreement a few weeks after having signed it?
Last point: EU people and countries have no interest in Brexit. That is purely a British subject. We have moved on, the consequences of the soverign british decisions have been dealt with. There is very little to gain for the EU in the reopening of negotiations.
The UK has sovereignly chosen Brexit. Deal with it now.
Well said
I remember a couple of years ago, when the UK's passing fancy was a _"Norwegian-style deal"._ Only, they didn't want _any_ of the drawbacks, and in a fraction of the time it took to broker it.
The EU, obviously, was having _none of it._
Seems that the UK hasn't learned much since...
As someone who voted remain it saddens me that the older generation was preyed upon and sold a bag of lies. They all want to go back to the glory days, not realising that's in the past and by trying to back in time they fucked the futures of everyone younger than them
I live in the UK and this hurts to hear. Especially since me and all my family voted remain with no hesitation...
@@BimpytheWimpyShrimpy The only problem UK seem to have is deciding which cherries to pick from the pie
Who'd have thought erecting trade barriers with your biggest and closest trading partners would damage British businesses? Why oh why didn't business owners, financial experts, the Bank of England, teachers, doctors, scientists, and 16.4 Million voters mention this 6 years ago...đ
We're joining the TPP. The EU isn't even close to being our biggest trading partner.
I'm pretty sure some of us tried
Because 17.4 > 16.1
@@Ganymede559 haha. Usually your biggest trading partner is the closest, it says a lot that the UK needs now to go across an ocean to repair a broken business deal
@@Ganymede559 good luck buddy.
Britain is like that ex-girlfriend that broke up with you and made it the most public thing ever on Instagram, she accused you of harrasment, then she flirted with all your mates (that finally rejected her), she turned some friends against you... and now, after a while, when she begins to feel lonely because, in spite all her efforts, she didn't get a new boyfriend, and she realises she has no money left... now she's sending you PMs, asking how you've been. :D Ah, the very nerve...
... albeit a conjoined twin with another girl who never did any of those things. (-:
@@JdeBP đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Way to specific so must be your own experience.
I strongly believe that in retrospect, the EU is glad they don't have to deal with the british anymore.
Agree even those rules were designed by the British. The fact is Brits have mindset that we are a superpower/Empire.
Oh but they miss all the power and money...
@@darren253 we? You're a Brit that willingly submits to the EU? Disgusting.
I'm British and I wish we didn't have to deal with our politicians either.
@@PhoenixLord777
no they don't, the only country that is struggling in the G7 is the UK. If anything they have proven that they will do just fine, with or without the UK
after watching this video.. my husband asked what ever happened to the 350 million pounds per week the NHS was supposed to get after the UK left the EU ?
Nothing happened it never existed
Already in the NHS budget. Theresa May announced it. So nothing to do with pandemic. 20bn p.a. above inflation. Been fully kept to.
@@danielwebb8402 This is a lie. The money is just passed through the NHS onwards to the Tory cronies, while nurses and other personnel have to accept salary cutbacks and higher taxes and have to rely on foodbanks. You're a Brexit liar. Watch Peter Stepanovic's and Phil Moorehouse's and other channels. But beware, they are evil 'leftists'!
@@frankhusel5033
Boris Johnson should be facing a prison sentence for that.
UK: We want a Swiss style relationship with you.
EU: No thank you.
A Swiss style relationship is not going to be replicated. The EU granted Switzerland privileged access in anticipation that the Swiss would join the bloc - that hasn't happened yet.
The EU is quite irritated with the Swiss because last year an agreement which was supposed to harmonize movement of labour (among other statutory improvements) was axed by the Swiss government - when it was them who requested it.
You see, the EU is not going to grant Great Britain the best possible deal...
SWISS-EU deal is dead, UK gov is stupid if they don't know that
Long story short, EU is salty countries only want the benefits and not the shitty part of being a member. What a surprise.
@@DanihelMetalPromotion EU gave Swiss the deal because they said they wanted to join the EU which they didn't after that.
So now there's no point on EU side to keep the deal.
UK and Bielorrusia are the only countries in Europe that doesn't have any access to the European single market
Yeah after the Northern Ireland "shenanigans" the EU will not be giving the UK the benefit of the doubt.
@@DanihelMetalPromotion Well if someone doesn't pay the bills then no one enjoys anything.
"We quit, but we'd still like to enjoy some benefits of membership."
Uhm... how about no.
Brexit is a disaster & with the cost of sanctions the UK is in terminal decline. The EU has said there will never be another Swiss agreement. And anyway, the UK economy is much too big. The Tories are scabbling around for a fix that doesn't exist.
Terminal decline? Do you think the EU was the only thing keeping the UK economically stable?
Also when did the EU say that?
@@maxdavis7722 capitalism by defaults grows exponentially until a terminal decline.
@@maxdavis7722 Yes, it largely was. Free trade with the largest single market in the world that just so happens to be right next to you is hugely important for an economy.
Majority UK people voted for Brexit. Conservatives backed it. Same people who supported Liz Truss over Rishi Sunak in the previous election. Dumb democratic voters. Dumb democracy. They should have realized Brexit will cause some EU companies to pull out reducing UK economy. Nearly half of Scotland is eyeing independence and thinking of joining the EU. It's karma.
@@toyotaprius79 not true at all, capitalism under neoliberal policy does; not all forms of capitalism necessarily do
I don't think that the EU will again build another contract-based relationship like this with swiss.
Especially when no one knows when a whimsical tory or a protectionist Labour PM might just break the terms just to fit politics.
Correct! Because the consequence would be renegotiate with all contract partners when the EU makes any decision.
This would take away EU sovereignty! The call for internal reforms within the EU is getting stronger. We want to get rid of all exceptions, exclusions, advantages for certain members, etc. Countries should be a full member with all obligations, or no member at all.
It's probably why labor doesn't even support joining EU. The British will have to make many accommodations for the EU rather than the other way around. The EU needs to be presented a strong hand to deter more European Nigel Farages or swish style agreements from happening again.
Yeah, ask the Swiss how things are going with their bilateral agreements... Brussels is completely fed up with cherry-pickers who want all the rights but little to no duties.
UK had literally the best EU membership deal. They had 4 opt-outs, more than any EU member. And Brits be like ânah, we do not like itâ. Needy and childish Brits deserve to suffer, tbh.
Itâs so selfish how governments act like this then expect the other side to accommodate yk im an American and for the longest time I thought European politics was more civil than what we have here in the states boy am I wrong
Cherry-pickers, little to no duties??? you really missed out a lot. What we pay in so called cohesion billions, to bring up eastern europe to standard - we signed to that and we pay it. then all the infrastructure we put in place in time for European north-south transit and transport.... na! then look at Brussels! and inflated body of incompetent and corrupt bureaucrats!
and you wonder why some countries want to get out or never joined in the first place?
Aren't we all
ON TWITTER? You mean the site thats "dying" and losing so many "active users" aka Bot wiping off twitter, guess its not dead??? Weird how you don't quote from "tribel social" exactly cause twitter will always be #1 social platform for real time opinions of ongoing events.
Not going to happen. The EU is already regretting their "Swiss model" deal with Switzerland and Norway, which allows Switzerland to cherry pick nice EU deals, but they dont have to deal with all the drawdowns. The EU is not going to hand Britain the same deal.
Well atleast Norway doesn't cause too much friction unlike Switzerland
As a Dutchie, we're kinda getting tired of having to put up with UK's shit, no offense
Brittain keeps forgetting to ask one thing, why would the eu agree to a favourable deal for the uk and gain nothing for it self
You know, after all the complaints about various small quality issues on this channel. It's really impressive that you're able to put out so many videos with this level of visualization and scripting so quickly. It really far outweighs the effort most news channels (on TV) manage to put into their daily news.
Little by little the conversation is moving on how to undo Brexit. The true of the matter is the UK needs to rejoin the common market ASAP or is it going to be "Sick man of Europe 2.0". Brexit might be one of the biggest political mistakes ever made. If you think about it, the UK had the most privilege position at the EU and they renounce to it. Now we are on the way on having one of the weakest (have to join the common market without any influence on the regulation making).
The UK comparatively got the least out of the Eu compared to every other EU nation. I know the UK negotiated some benefits with the EU but economically, politically and socially the UK got far less value than countries like Germany and France.
I donât see how you can say we got one of the best deals when we were simply getting less benefit.
@@maxdavis7722 It is more about foreign attractiveness of the market. You either need very very low taxes or big market
Eeeeh considering how much land the ottomans lost in the transition to Turkey, as a welsh girl I would 100% be down for the UK following that pattern and getting shattered entirely, with Northern Ireland being returned to Ireland, and the independence of Scotland and Wales.
EU should punish UK put them on the waitlist for 5 years behind Ukraine. đ€Ł
@@000Dragon50000 as an Englishman I hope and pray yous get independence so you can get a taste of what an unmitigated disaster that would be you dumb sheep shaggerđ€Ł
As a Swiss, I can confirm that this is a video
As a fellow Swiss, Iâm 1 year late, and I refrain from picking a side, whether this is really a video.
The symbol âŁ, an F with a double bar, was proposed but never officially adopted as the symbol of the French franc. It has nothing to do with the swiss franc, for which CHF is the actual currency symbol
Grinds my gears when they do that
Iâm Swiss and was like: âHuh?â đ
I've lived in Switzerland since Brexit. This whole "Swiss style" proposal is just marketing, because Brits know the Swiss are wealthy, have a great quality of life, and also are not part of the EU. It doesn't really mean anyhing substantive.
Two things struck me at the weekend
1. I think this has more to do with the Northern Ireland Protocol than the general UK/EU deal. There seems to be a feeling that alignment of standards would take most of the checks at the Sea border away, and Labour will definately go down that route and the pragmatic Tories are looking for an easy solution. The Swiss deal was kite flying/ softening up.
2. They have opened Pandora's box. It is blindingly obvious that closer EU ties will give a boost to Growth in the UK, we all know it.
It's a low hanging fruit, if parts of the Tory party are prepared to look at it, Labour will too after the election.
I don't think Re-joining, or even Norway style is immediately available (its almost British Exceptionalism from some remainers to suggest we could just decide to re-join after all of the disruption we have caused).
But closer ties accepting parts of the 4 pillars for closer trading ties will happen until we are so aligned that we can easily rejoin, is now inevitable and deep down everyone knows that.
That it may be, but who in the right mind would want us back? Just look at the unholy mess we are in right now, its certainly not the publics fault thats for sure. Unfortunately I
don't hold any hope from any party. For the last 50 years we have gone from one mess to another, neither party ever thinking of a national plan.
Brexit is toxic to tories as much as it is to Labour. Brexit supporters make up a large number of their votes, and there's a reform party who'll happily sweep them in. At the same time if the tories don't come up with something that'll ease the cost of living crisis they be slaughtered in '24.
Norway has freedom of movement, pays the same net contribution as UK did as a member, has ECJ rules etc. There's literally 2 sub clauses paragraph 761 difference vs being in EU other than doesn't get a vote.
Or Mark UK x 4leaves complete like any country expects..irexit not happy if arran island left behind like discarded thrash..
@@danielwebb8402 leave as per tin
You canât have free trade without regulations, these two things go hand in hand, itâs because of regulations that nations can trade freely together
Fair enough but countries that have trade deals donât usually have one country paying tribute to the other.
@@maxdavis7722 agree with you on this point, but the fact of the matter is that free trade will benefit the economy with billions, which makes the 1 billion contribution insignificant.
@@maxkuijper000 the âfree tradeâ also has one side dictating the trade and the other one unable to control its national standards. Hardly fair for a bloody trade deal.
@@maxkuijper000 also itâs a joke to have to pay tribute for a trade agreement.
@@maxdavis7722 ...Why? To buy a condo, you pay HOA. To be listed on a stock exchange, you pay a fee. To sell in a mall, you pay rent.
Tons of markets have fees to enter. If you stop and think about it, and decide that for whatever reason you're better off staying out of that market, then fine. But refusing to think at all because one was insulted that a fee _exists_ seems... suboptimal.
Switzerland and the U.K. are about as culturally similar as Canada and China. What works, swiss-style, will likely fail in the U.K.
The UK seems to want free access without providing free access.
BREXIT WAS A INSANE STUPID IDEA AND ECONOMIC SUICIDE ON PURPOSE!
we buy more than we sell. if the eu doesn't want to trade with us, that's fine. we'll go elsewhere.
@@noelhanna6432 Wonder what happened to the English people that wanted Brexit with no deal. They have completely disappeared.
@@noelhanna6432 Noone is stopping you. Go elsewhere and be a pain in the butt for other counties, e.g. Australia. Take your time and don't come back.
Free access for goods not people. That is what every country wants
True enough. Unlike Switzerland, England does not have a functioning democracy. Until that changes it is difficult to see much change.
I find it weird that the words of either Frost or Farage are still worth anything. Frost negotiated something he didn't stand by, and Farage just comes on the scene every so often to make a fuss when his ego needs feeding then buggers off when any hard work is needed.
In EU nobody cares about UK anymore. It was enormous market, accepted plenty of migrants who contributed to the economy but eventually decided to hear radicals who had some vague dream about being fully independent with keeping all perks of being EU member. Also, EU must teach a lesson other member countries which will definitely use UK as example if it manages to get good deal without any contribution. So there will be no will from EU side to give an inch to UK. So, UK is left to suffer for now. Nobody told in EU that UK cannot rejoin EU but this will not happen soon. It would be image distaster for UK and would result in raise of more radicals possibly even making to House of Commons.
My favorite comments are always the ones about how the EU "secretly needs the UK really bad!" and they're itching to "sign to any agreement any second!". I'm glad the pro-Brexit group still has some optimism left.
That is silly but they might decide to be pragmatic in areas where they can be if the UK suddenly decides to be pragmatic.
@@timmurphy5541 And in what possible world could the EU trust that this turn by the UK to "suddenly ... be pragmatic" would actually last?
@@PhysicsGamer ...for any agreements which could easily be cancelled. We'd have to build trust over time and obviously the conservative government as it is couldn't build much.
@@timmurphy5541 The EU already offered everything they can offer. What they can't do is offering free trade with no equal regulations nor free movement. It's not the EU who are blocking these type of deals, it is the UK. Dealing is about giving both sides something, not just one.
@@germangarcia6118 indeed - I'm talking about what would happen when we defeat the Brexiters. More reasonable behavior from the UK should then follow.
You left out probably the most important reason why the UK simply cannot emulate Switzerland. The treaties you named between the EU and Switzerland were only possible to negotiate and agree at all because Switzerland is an EFTA member and therefore subject to the authority of the EFTA Court which, due to joint jurisprudence agreements between the two blocs, jointly ensures compliance.
Switzerland, in other words, is a "second country", one which is utilising a relationship defined by the bloc of which it is a member with the bloc that manages the market to which it wants privileged access. Without that agreement governing compliance by a higher authority the bilateral treaties it negotiated couldn't even have been proposed, let alone put into effect. (Note: The EEA operates on exactly the same principle)
The UK, at its own vehement insistence, is a third country from the perspective of any bloc. It's about time people in the UK actually worked out what this status actually means.
Next thing you'll be saying you should adopt the "Norwegian model"!
The EU isn't in the EFTA. The EFTA is the three EEA countries + Switzerland
@@ye9206 Who ever said it was? Maybe you should read what is actually written before deciding to make such an idiot of yourself.
listening about UK's post-brexit struggles is my guilty pleasure
BREXIT WAS A INSANE STUPID IDEA AND ECONOMIC SUICIDE ON PURPOSE!
all of europe has the same struggles thanks to the pandemic and ukraine war.
@@noelhanna6432 And the same level of entertainment by Brexit. Greetings from the EU.
@@Harry-tb8yo you were entertained by the pandemic and russo-ukrainian war??
@@omar9k I mentioned Brexit, no other topics.
Brexit fantasies part 25.
EU would prefer a better trade deal with the UK, especially for Northern Ireland. It's northerners, Tory voters and the Tory plp that is making life in the UK extremely difficult.
@@HShango Vote them out pronto
How's the re-join campaign going?
@@JwayT nice and slow, we'll get there eventually, but on worse terms cause Brexitards gotta spurg
@@reddragon3163 How slow lol? Hehehe!
Still trying to figure out what to do about Brexit nearly 7 years later, does that clue anybody in that it was a bad idea
Haven't the EU regretted giving the Swiss the deal they have?
Just because they do doesnt mean they can go back on that, and also doesnt mean uk politicians cant pretend to not be aware of that
They complain about the workload to keep all the agreements updated and negotiating with the Swiss is hard work but they like the money
The problem with any "Soft" approach to Brexit is that it essentially argues for a continued following of the EU rules and regulations, while rejecting the oversight and voting power the UK would have in them, giving us the worst of both worlds. We've had one of the best deals in the union, other countries also had to opt outs, and some other countries also had a lot of power, but no one had as much of both at the same time. Anything we agree on in the future will be a shadow of what we had.
"Anything we agree on in the future will be a shadow of what we had."
It will be like the dark side of the moon.
Also, at the moment, it is hard to trust the UK government of fulfilling any agreement. They are turning their back on the one was signed less then a year ago. So, negotiatinng a new one? For what? It's the UK that loses business, not the EU.
There are times when I could just scream from sheer frustration!!!
When are the English going to understand that the EU are the ONLY ones to permit England to join the single market?
I say 'England' and 'single market' because :-
1. By the time any negotiations on rejoining begin with the EU Scotland will be independent, and
2. EFTA has already told England they will not be allowed to join, and
3. The two routes to joining the customs union are EFTA or EU membership.
This is the reality for ANY 3rd country wishing to join.
There is NO bespoke deal for England.
Any 1 EU member country can veto England's application to join.
As a serial Treaty and Agreement breaker, England is not trusted.
Lastly, and most importantly, England is entirely irrelevant to the EU.
Only in the fevered dreams of the intellectually challenged does English exceptionalism mean rules don't apply to them.
I have not the faintest idea how to make the English understand this.
"entirely irrelevant"? Seemed fine signing a free trade deal with. As is a net exporter to. EU exports more to UK than China. Is second largest market for EU goods after only the states.
Damn numbers / facts.
England thinks sovereignty means colonizing the EU. The 52% will not be disabused of this notion until London is a smoldering crater after the 2030 Ireland Border Wars turn nuclear.
@@SuperSmashDolls A little extreme. But I understand the frustration. The English appear unable or unwilling or both, to understand that whatever reamnamts of Union there were are gone.
The Supreme Court just guaranteed that every pro-Independence Scot will vote to escape English tyranny at the next GE.
If they try to pull the same trick over the Border Poll then Northern Ireland, with the agreement of the Republic, will probably do the same.
It is unbelievable to many foreign watchers, and there are plenty who are interested for one reason or another, just how insular the English are. They appear sublimely unaware that their behaviour is being scrutinised.
They are being judged. At a time when the disUnited Kingdom is in terminal decline, the English Supreme Court just supercharged the process of dissolution.
@@danielwebb8402 Yeah, Little Britain is already falling behind. Just wait while having your cup of sovereign tea.
No, no, no UK's only problem is which cherries to pick from the pie, in other words, what kind of deal to go for. But - they would be dissatisfied with any deal and ask for something else tomorrow. Like a naughty brat in front of a candy shelf
Wait... Did Britain finally realize that they aren't in a position of power over the EU? Nah, probably not
We know đ©đ. It just people back then were stupid. Now we shall learn.
The UK just want the premium tv subscription without paying the subscription costs. Itâs ok tho, they can always stream from dodgy websites in the rest of the world.
I wish I could pay my electric bill with all this sovereignty we got from brexit. It feels like the only thing brexit gave us was inflation.
that was quantitative easing from 2008. plus the pandemic, plus the ukraine war.
not brexit.
@@noelhanna6432 everything but brexit? I guess you don't want to feel responsible for your decision.
at least it solved illegal immi... oh
@@tedcrilly46 Favorite comment right here.
All this feels like a
"You couldn't live with your own failure" moment irl đ
Just a heads-up from the other shore of the Channel: in Europe, Brexit is no longer in the news. For us it's old history. I'm actually watching this channel just for amusement đ
Which means, my British friends, if you want to negociate anything with the EU in the future, I suggest you come up with some value proposal in hands, not just complaints. Going through another long and painful discussion with an untrustworthy government must be worth something... significant.
Good luck!
I hope one day we can a lot of people in the uk didnât want to leave
its old news in the UK too. You don't have to look very hard to see that pretty much everyone in the comments is European and not many are British.
no one asked
@@ApricityGamingHD I am thank you
@@ApricityGamingHD Iâm from the uk European
Just keep the UK out of anything related to the EU. As EU citizens we don't want a Trojan Horse in our union. The UK should just form an EU style Anglo Union with Canada, Australia and New Zealand if they can. That would be a more realistic approach.
Edit: Oh that's right there was something called CANZUK how's that going?
If you include the US the Anglo union that might be something
Even Switzerland wouldn't get a Swiss style deal (relation) today.
Something similar to the Swiss deal have been on the table for a short time before signing the TCA - it has not been afterwards and most of all it isn't today!
Out means out!!
Wrong, as a Swiss person i like the bilaterals as they are, and iâm sure iâm not the only one.
could you please make a video about why the EU should take the UK back ? From my current day-to-day experience, there seems to be a lack of motivational factors in the EU to do so. Sure, there's always some money to be made if there's a bigger market But right now, I don't seem to be missing anything in my life which the UK would be a valuable provider of. But I may be an outlier. I'd be really interested to learn about the value the UK would bring to the EU.
I mean, I think the EU wants the UK back, but the political climate doesn't really favor it. It'd be great to have another large economy, but it'd also look like the UK can do whatever it wants
They only ever wanted our money, never listened to what we proposed, its all about France and Germany. The rest just make up the numbers. Right now the UK is on a par with Greece, Italy and Spain. a liability.
@@sosukelele Do we really though?
The EU is slowly bleeding to death without the money from the UK, they're just trying to save face.
Trade, UK buys a shitload of goods from the EU. Over time if the UK does complete more trade deals, the EU trade will drop.
Swiss style or Norwegian style - both are EFTA members. I finally means an EFTA deal as these deals need to be signed up. One way or another it would be based on close collaboration with the EU, the opposite of Brexit.
EU is in need of the UK as much as an astronaut needs a bikini for a space mission. Economically, and politically. Also is the UK a thing, or we should say England? Thinking of Scotland and possibly NI and Wales wishing to be independent and re-joining the EU. It seems that English politicians should think strategically and realistically for the future of their country in relation with partners like EU, USA, and Canada, considering they are just a country like any other, not a union of anything.
Wales voted for Brexit fyi
Scotland can't leave, NI would rejoin with IE and wales voted to leave. Stop fapping off to the idea of haiting English people.
BTW the swiss franc doesn't have a logo like you showed at 3:00 . It's simply called CHF.
As a Swiss, I am glad of the current bilateral agreement system. It's not ideal, but being landlocked smack in the center of the EU, we don't have much choice. Why not join the EU all together you may ask? It mostly has to do with our political rights. The EU does not guarantee the same rights which are actually far better than the Brits currently have and could have enjoyed had they stayed in the EU. Very bad deal for the people in the UK.
Which rights are these the EU doesn't guarantee?
@@cancerino666 Mostly the federal initiative and referendum rights would be greatly affected. In Switzerland any federal law introducing new taxes and and foreign treaties have to be approved by the people. This would block many decisions made in Bruxelles, especially those involving approval by all member states.
@@koantao8321 The EU allows for such rights on state level - see the failed free trade agreement with Canada that ultimately even failed on REGIONAL level in belgium.
As a Swiss, I'd prefer to join the EU as we are currently adopting European regulation without having anything to say in its creation.
And it's a myth that every international treaty triggers a vote. It's possible, but very rare.
I'm actually really proud and love how the Swiss handled their country, I wish I could move to Switzerland due to their competent and libertarian government.
Hopefully I could move to Switzerland đšđ, Vive la Suisse đšđ. đđ»ââïž
as a Swiss person I can assure you the UK shouldn't want a relationship with the EU similar to ours. There are so many problems and it's a constant talking point in our politics that can never really be resolved.
How much focus is on EU relations in the swiss media?
@@haha__hihi quite a lot imo
@@MarcHatePage could you shed some light on these EU talking points/controversies? what are the issues as the swiss public sees them and what does your political establishment has to say ?
I'd appreciate it.
@@haha__hihi well basically everybody agrees that our relationship with the EU is not at a good place right now. but our parliament and government are both too scared to do something about it. the right hates the idea of being closer to the EU and the left is too scared to lose voters to do something or even talk about it. every time another round of EU negotiations fails miserably, the media is outraged but that's it. our politics are completely frozen about this topic, but there is also a light sprinkle of panic that surfaces every now and then.
@@MarcHatePage thanks for reply :) I get the gist now
Free movement of goods without FOM? How are you gonna expect PEOPLE to transport goods across borders freely.
It's the idea behind GATT and the WTO. The people are only let in long enough to drop the goods off and then told to leave.
Problem is, if you don't let people IN, you're just letting jobs OUT, because immigration barriers are also de-facto price ceilings on wages. This is why everything gets made in China nowadays; they figured out how to optimally exploit the WTO system and America's very low tariffs while keeping their own markets closed off.
Transport of goods and immigration are very different. You can be strict on immigration, yet participate in global trade at the same time.
@@Michael_the_Drunkard Not gonna happen, over 60% of truck drivers in Europe are immigrants
@@Michael_the_Drunkard my point was its not truly frictionless. Prior to 2020 no checks were required hence goods and people moved easily. The new proposal suggests the same frictionless trade without FOM, which is just a fantasy.
The way the UK left the EU, i would be surprised if they are even allowed in with the worst deal possible.
Honestly, if I was running the EU, I'd push hard for ending all negotiations with the UK (Irish border excepted). Article 50 should be treated as irrevocable - you leave the EU, you don't come back.
Nah, economic policies are cold. If the deal is fair for the EU, they'll accept it. The EU population would be annoyed, tho, but the goberment would take it.
@@germangarcia6118 probably right there. People would not bother after a couple of months anyway.
Maybe the people who are against such a deal should tell once and for all what kind of Brexit they considered they were voting for.
Brexit is the incarnation of that bike meme where the guy makes himself fall and blames some else
Dynamic spelt as "dynanic", tacit spelt as "tactic"; you guys produce great content, and I know it's tough to get things out quickly, but may be pause before publishing and re-read things one more time? Or even get a completely fresh pair of eyes to review everything, as once you've watched something dozens of times already you stop noticing things anyway.
Lol I saw that too, kind of funny
They've made a few spelling errors before. They've gotta reorganize to focus on checks & balances, or they have to hire another editor.
They also used use a weird f symbol to represent Swiss francs, which was the old symbol for french francs⊠we use âCHFâ
If the UK ever gets invited back into the EU, I'd hope they'd be excluded from exceptions, had to fully integrate and reform things according to EU standards. I doubt it will be in the close future as trust clearly has been damaged and the overall consensus seems to be that people are happy or relieved that the UK is not a part of the EU anymore.
Smh I really don't have patience for the brexiteers. I wish I had more understanding of their positions, but I can't find anything substantive... It's like a conversation with a flat-earther.
I'm assuming it's people who are nostalgic for the British empire and want to see a world where Britain is far more prominent unlike now where the same people perceive Britain as just another European country. Brexit was likely, mostly just an emotional decision, in the same way, Putin invading Ukraine was also an emotional decision for Putin
@@haydencantthink is that a joke? Have you ever talked to people who voted brexit? They donât care or talk about the empire and it certainly doesnât relate to voting and it hasnât for decades. This fascination with the empire is only ever brought up by pro-Eu people.
Again, nothing substantive in what you are saying, just emotional appeals. there is no causal link between leaving the EU and magically becoming the unipolar naval power of the world, or being less dependent on EU legislation for navigating UK foreign or domestic policy.
@DoubtingThomas I sympathise absolutely with the soft remain position. The troikas treatment of Greece alone was enough to give me some emotional bias for Brexit. But once you actually engage it's just that.
Unless the UK is going to accept the 4 pillars of the EU then they probably won't closer alignment with the EU
Just a quick side note: Von der Leyen's name is pronounced more like "von der lie-en" than "lay-en" :)
Is his name really Lord Frost? Does he live in an ice castle? đ
You're going to see a VERY FERVENT political movement among small business owners who are going to demand SOME kind of improved form of trade agreement with the single biggest trade partner they have! Say whatever the hell you want about EU membership, it doesn't matter now. The UK economy can ill-afford to screw around with promising, aspirational small businesses that are gonna be forced to move out of England as soon as they can, whether it's to France, an independent Scotland, a reunified Ireland, or anywhere else EU.
EU-Swiss relationship is in struggle since 2010. The UK is Late on the news, like it was Late to catch the changes in the EU institutions back in 2015. You will eat rocks in comparison with what you had before leaving.
As someone who has written about the Swiss EU relations, this will never happen. The EU is fed up with the Swiss and the complexity of the relationship. The sentiment in Switzerland is not any better towards the EU. Honestly, that people in the UK politics even are considering this path is a bit beveling...
Great video :)
For anyone who might be interested, here is a quick tutorial on how to correctly pronounce 'von der Leyen' without speaking German:
-> 'von' is phonetically equivalent to 'font' minus the t.
-> 'der' is phonetically equivalent to the first three letters in 'derelict'.
-> 'Leyen' is phonetically equivalent to 'lie and' minus the d.
There you go :D
Ist it lay and minus d?
I am a German learner. So your answer would be appreciated.
@@paupsa7712 its âLeyâ=âlieâ | âenâ = âandâ minus the d -> Leyen đ
So Leyen is pronounced as "Lion"?
@@NNA1984 Yes indeed :D Very accurate actually! Did not think about this one! đ
The issues britain is currently facing are almost exclusively caused by years of mismanagement by our own politicians. Yes, exacerbated by Brexit, but always growing.
Ultimately our politicians need to learn how to grow this country's economy sustainably and independently. We are less resilient due to Brexit, but we would still be struggling even if we were in the EU. It's time our politicians stopped abusing our economy.
And to re-take land from the royals. The biggest and strongest real estate company on the planet.
EU: "Do you intend to leave, UK?"
UK: "YesNoButYesMaybeFromAlmostYesYesNoHatsIrelandProjectfearFishOfYesUnicorn"
EU: "Noted. Text us when you're done."
The best possible ending to this drama-arc is the UK making amends after an intervention, years of therapy, and turning their life around or something.
I'm an American and... you know, my country has a lot of issues that needs to be worked out, but I am glad I don't have to deal with Brexit. I can't image the headache of hearing news that the government enacted a policy on Brexit, only to change its mind later. I've been following Brexit since 2017 and I find it exhausting.
@@hermes6910 we too who voted against Brexit knowing full well it's benefits laughing at their hubris. Please let us back in đ. This time we will use the Euro
As a foreigner living in EU and a citizen of a former colony, itâs just so amusing and interesting to see these kinds of squabbles.
Imagine leaving the EU
England needs elections and then a referendum to give the government a mandate for something like this...anyway, they created this problem for themselves.
*at this point the UKs best chance of economic survival is ubiquitously electing labour and groveling to the EU to let you back in*
Perhaps, although the only English political party to officially support EU membership right now is the Liberal Democrats.
British people are far too proud to grovel.
Not the worst strategy I've heard but you would be spending at least 30 years grovelling
And the irony of all this is that Britain had a comparatively cushy deal with the EU while being a member, with several notable compromises due to being a prominent trading partner for so long.
Having an economic relationship with the EU like the Swiss have is a privilege, a privilege the UK no longer deserves.
UK forget they not superpower anymore.
UK still living with the UK Empire copium.
The EU doesn't like the Swiss Agreement because they are not in charge. The EEC worked until the Federalists took over and saw a European Superstate.
It's really an incredible nerve that uk wants to go back to europe by the small door, simplistic very cute...
Farage made a lot of promises of different types of deals we could have with the EU if we voted to leave, I wonder if we looked back if the Swiss style deal was one of them he promised we could have. Would be a bit hypocritical of him now to be against it.
He called Switzerland the "inspiration" for Brexit in an interview on RTS back in 2020.
No such deal on the table. There will never be such a deal on the table for anybody, the EU was very clear about that.
No such nonsense as a Swiss model. Either rejoin, in case there is a STABLE majority of at least 55 % in favour of it, or stay out.
This Swiss-style arrangement was never proposed by Sunak. What this is really about is the continued civil war within the Tory party. Boris's supporters sense that Sunaks honeymoon period was short-lived and they didn't like his so-called socialist budget, so they sense there may be a way back for Boris in the spring after a winter of discontent. So they have spread this remainer treachery smear to discredit Sunak. If they can topple Sunak it would leave an opening for Boris and the ERG would be much happier with their puppet back in charge.
I was considering moving to the uk to work in finance. Initially I was extremely excited because there are plenty of offers and job requirements are much more reasonable than most European countries. Then I watched the bureaucracy and how much the work permit would cost me. The uk is now 3rd country option to work.
This feels like someone breaking up with a partner, then the person wants to keep all benefits of being together. Then we get the surprise Pikachu face, when the ex does not agree with this "deal"
Have been there. Dated a girl 25 years ago. When we got serious I gave her a mobile-phone and paid for the monthly bill (moblies weren`t so common that days, and so I could avoid speaking with her parents).
5 years later, when we broke up, se demanded that I kept paying her phone-bill, because "she have gotten used to have a mobile-phone". The look in her face when I said "NO" was priceless........
I can perfectly picture the british negotiators with the same look if they ever propose some "Switzerland-deal" BS....
Not sure if you already have something planned, but it would be interesting if you did a video regarding the planning reforms in the levelling up bill, and the contention around them recently.
Britain wont get the Swiss style deal for sure :)
Switzerland is de facto economically in the EU with a few exceptions. And the areas were it is not aligned are a disaster. As a Schengen member and a member of many EU agreements, Switzerland is more in the EU than the UK ever was. In the long run even in Switzerlands discussion about EEA membership are likely. So far it is still a difficult topic as it was closely rejected in a referendum in 1992 which was driven by the far-right Swiss People's Party mainly on xenophobic grounds. So it's very similar to Brexit.
Interestingly, Liechtenstein is in the EEA and has far less problems in its relation with the EU.
@DoubtingThomas it is. Norway and Iceland are in the group mainly because of fishing, which I think has become so much of an issue that it should be returned to the nation states as it is hurting the EU reputation for basically nothing. Liechtenstein is not sufficiently democratic to even be in the EU and it is at the same time in a customs union with Switzerland. So they all have at least some rational reasons, but the UK actually just had disinformation.
Its called giving up power, nobody likes that. The EU is a two party state, France and Germany, the rest are just numbers. That included the UK. I would love to be part of Europe but as always the sticking point is the EU.
@@johnchristmas7522 itâs sharing power and not giving up. Regarding France and Germany they are not the ones calling the shots. They are usually on opposing sides with many other states backing one side. Hence when Germany and France can agree than all can agree. When in the British press they say Germany opposes something that almost always means: Germany, Benelux, Austria, Scandinavia and sometimes the Baltics. France is representing by southern Europe. Thatâs of course oversimplified. The UK never had any clout because it always discussed whether they should be in or not. Or the ârelationship with the EUâ while being in it. The UK refused to have a role. Thatâs why.
@@tobiwan001 as I have said before, the problem has always been Westminster with lack of information and lies together with a far right biased press. I always knew there was far more to it, to what the British public were fed unfortunately we are now in the state of poor man Europe with a bunch of clowns in Westminster without a clue as you surely saw from PM Truss
You explained the bilaterals well. However, the guillotine clause (cancel one agreement - cancel them all) is an integral part of these bilaterals. Your video made it seem a bit like this was just not an option for the UK. The InstA was well explained. One thing to add though is that the "Swiss-Style" deal was only possible because it was still believed in the EU and Switzerland alike that this was a first step to Switzerland joining the EU during the bilateral negotiations.
I can't see a Swiss-style agreement happening. As the video says, it's way too complex a relationship for both sides. It's likely the UK will remain completely outside and viewed as any other country outside the EU who not applying to join. We'll have a fringe movement that has wet dreams of us rejoining but in reality I don't think many EU countries would want us back in, despite them diplomatically saying the door is always open.
The swiss situation is different. Swizerland is enclosed inside the EU. In such a situation some sort of agreement is needed. Like micro nation enclosed in other countries territories have.
While EU politician might see those agreement as a path to full integration, I'm not sure that is citizen's view on both side of the border.
If I undertand correctly those agreements where an upgrade and expansion of the bilateral agreement between Swizerland and neightbouring countries. Since this include 3 of the biggest EU countries any hard liner might have a very tough sale.
It's not a case that swiss speak those 3 countries languages.
For the UK a swiss stile agreement will preclude the possibility of any brexit advantage. It reduce uk control and get only some of the benefit of membership.
I think brexit was a bad idea. But a swiss stile agreement is worst. The uk goverment should check what it can do to help reduce the burocracy cost on business in sector the uk is still aligned with the EU. Not how many form you need to fill to export, that would require the EU collaboration, but making more easy to fill the required forms.
Itâs funny because literally the first video on my channel was predicting that we would end up with a Norway style deal in a number of years. Pretty close haha.
Keep on dreaming...
So why does the EU not like the current Swiss agreement?
put extremely simply, because the eu cant boss the swiss around as they can just decline any change they dont like since all their deals and etc are seperate on paper and they arent formally in the eu
Weirdly, the Swiss people has to much power. When they donât want, the government stop wanting as well
There is the option to expand on the existing TCA. We need to get past the NI Protocol noise first. Then we can look for areas of cooperation.
As someone who uses captions, it would be great if you could add them to your videos instead of having to rely on auto-generated
But UK can now regulate their plugs, bat handling and other super important laws within their country, they should be happy :)
UK plugs are in the IEC standard, if you did not know.
I'm sorry, why should anyone give a toss about what Frost and Farage are on about? They're too busy fleecing pensioners as it is!
It's getting even better than fools and horses. đ