Lord of the Rings Superfans FALLOUT! ATTACK Peter Jacksons Trilogy To Defend Rings of Power
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2022
- Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power from Amazon Prime has been showing 20 minutes of new footage to several fan sites. Although they weren't happy with the comments they received, especially regarding their free trip and gifts, the backlash and fallout are worth investigating. What exactly makes everyone so confident in the show, even if it may not get good until season 3?
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What do you think of the latest superfan trip and their responses after they got called out for it? Does their comments about the showrunners give you any more faith that season 3 might be good? Let me know your thoughts below, and as always, thanks for watching. Even if apparently, the algorithm controls all! 😂😅😂
Your content is awesome I'm reading the Fellowship right now and i'm enjoying it and this LOTR show will be terrible and will have a very hard time keeping viewers Hail The Fellowship.
I've fingered the problem...remember when big projects we secret? The security that used to go into things.. because people wanted to get that access... because what they were making was awesome.... this is the opposite... the result will be trash.. you've just been eassed into it...
Disparu do you think they (woke people that make this trash) are genuinely crazy, stuck in a bubble, or know what they are doing?
There was at least one 'superfan' among them whose content I enjoy, he said that he didn't take money or let himself be influenced by anything.
Even though I believe he's a decent guy and tries to be objective, I think it simply isn't possible to NOT be influenced by a treatment like this. If someone else is being nice and generous to you, you will think more positively of that person and his work, that's just how humans work. It WILL influence you no matter how hard you try to remain objective. You're not going to absolutely trash the cherished ideas of someone who just has been very kind to you for several days.
That's why, for example, an auditor is not allowed to accept any kind of gifts or favors from the client he is auditing that go further than, say, accepting a cup of coffee.
I thought it was funny they sent the superfans to the international imperial city rather than somewhere meaningful like shropshire, or to look over the Herefordshire & Worcestershire beacons.
Imagine having the *SHEER NERVE* to discredit Peter Jackson’s trilogy, as if EVERYONE involved in their creation wasn’t completely committed 🤦🏾♂️😤🤬
It actually hurts me to the core 😢
See the term racist getting thrown around, yet you don't buy the bs and you're black, so kinda of destroys their narrative, I'm fine with black people on screen just not when its forced and makes no sense. Which is the case with ROP.
To be fair there were many unhappy fans with his trilogy as some of the changes were quite unnecessary, replacing Glorfindel with Arwen for a single instance, I'm not a Tolkien purist (Dune was more my thing to be honest) but since all this kicked off with Amazon's upcoming crap I find myself being drawn deeper into the lavish world of Middle Earth and I'm going to buy the Silmarillion come payday and maybe just keep going and got all his (and his son's) works.
@@andeeanko7079 Really ?? There are many things wrong with Peter Jacksons trilogy and many things I have critized it for dispite the fact I still mostly enjoy his films. ANY deviation from Tolkiens narrative will upset certain fans and Peter Jacksons films have more than a few of these. And I'm not talking about certain aspects of condensing an 1100 page book into 3 movies which is impossible to do, I'm talking about changes which were entirely unnecessary.
Arwen instead of Glorfindel
Sam being turned away by Frodo in favor of Gollum
Faramir 'not showing his quality' by taking the hobbits to Osgiliath
Denethor whole personality
Sarumans death
Gandalf stating that Sauron 'could not yet take physical form' when he was in fact in a physical form.
Witch King beating Gandalf the White
Most of these are minor and don't really bother me but they all could have been corrected but PJ left them in.
By the time the Hobbit movies came around he clearly didnt care anymore as he butchered the hell out of the story.
@@markoconnor7163 true, you are right about these changes. Still, I absolutely love the films and have watched the behind the scenes content countless times and really saw how dedicated everyone was to bringing Tolkien's world to the screen. I still feel Peter Jackson's films are outstanding and even die-hard fans enjoyed them. I'm not a purist, though. I can live with Peter Jackson's version. Amazon's version seems to not care about Tolkien's lore half as much as Jackson did.
I consider the Peter Jackson trilogy to be cinematic perfection. Yes, it didn't follow the books 100%, but that is pretty impossible in such a shortened time frame. For these freaks to try and use it as an argument is sad beyond words.
The main thing is he didn't try to make it his own after getting the rights to make them like we're seeing with this new show or say the other most recent fuckup by Amazon Robert Jordan's mega loved fantasy series The Wheel of Time. It's VERY disrespectful to the authors, their families and the superfans of these properties. Not the fans who just got into it because they heard the showrunners have the same politics as them and pushing their inorganic worldview on us in the West.
Jackson put his soul in trying to adapt LotR closely and it wasn't 100% by the books.
D&D started adapting GoT closely, then started taking liberties and after books run out they rushed an ending and it wasn't 100% by the books.
Amazon has crap writers trying to put their own foul stamp and inject their politics into great works and it isn't 100% by the books.
pj trilogy was close e enough to the books to give you the general feels and ideas that Tolkien wanted to express. I read Tolkien because of pj trilogy and reading the books did not take away anything from the movies experience because THEY WERE an adaptation
But he didn't need to shit on Faramir for pointless drama with Frodo & Sam including transporting them to Osgiliath!!!
True that. As someone who's recently listened to an audiobook version of The Fellowship of The Ring, and noticed many things that were left out in the film, I still find Peter Jackson's films to be fantastic cinematic works of art.
Also, when comparing the film to the book regarding Fellowship of The Ring, I see the film as a perfect show-don't-tell representation of the book, unlike Ralph Bakshi's version which was very slow-paced at times (I still appreciate it for what it is, though).
They should've never messed with the WoT. I love how hard you're going after them
They really should never have gotten into the video production business in the first place. With few exceptions the world would be better off without them.
The wheel of time follow saidar
Like we say in sweden, they have shat in the blue locker.
Wheel of time or World of Tolkien?
@@himynameis3664 Wheel of Time. That's where I found this channel, he had the best breakdowns of what's wrong with the show
Remember the statement by one of the show runners: This is the story Tolkien never wrote but should have. Well sorry Amazon if Tolkien never wrote it, it's not his Middle Earth creation. It's fan fiction with LOTR and character names slapped onto it.
Did one of them really say that?
@@The_Reality_Filter
Yup. In the Vanity Fair article (interview with the showrunners---Payne and McKey).
It's not even fan fiction, just Tolkien adjacent fiction. These people aren't even fans, they hate the source material.
@@queenberuthiel5469 they really are shameless, it makes me wonder if they've read Tolkien. I guess me you and the 150,000,000+ that have read and loved Tolkien got it wrong?
@@The_Reality_Filter
Yup. Apparently they can write something that's on the level of Tolkien. ☠️☠️☠️
Seriously you need to read everything in that two Vanity Fair articles if you haven't read them yet.
They can attack Peter Jackson’s version all they want. It was massively successful, groundbreaking and quite frankly one of the best movie trilogies of all time. There is absolutely no way the tv series would even come close to topping Peter Jackson’s movies. Even if the tv show was decent and not woke, broken, inconsistent to the original material, and quite frankly filled with propaganda.
But hey let’s all just laugh at them, vote with our wallets and our eyes. Let’s watch them squirm. Because we are winning against these big corps and woke showrunners.
Even the Witcher got a bunch of flack for alterations to the lore and promised to stick to the books.
But the Witcher did some things right, the rings of power cleary is so far from being lord of the rings it might as well be game of thrones for all we care. It’s going to die in a ditch, crying and sobbing; blaming everyone who walks past, unwilling to help or care. Until it takes its last breath and is forgotten.
I say to these woke fucks, in OUR fandom “hahahahha you have no power here! Amazon the woke”
And thry have a lead thats actually a fan of the games and knows better than to badmouth the fans they need. Henry cavill is too good for modern Hollywood but ill take him definitely.
I liked the movies but I still critised them at the time for the uneccessary changes to the story.
I have not played nor read the Witcher books but only season 2 because GF wanted to watched and I didn't mind not having context from season 1 but from general knowledge of the franchise I could easily follow, and frankly was a bit annoyed by how the focus was more about How sad it is for Jessica for not having powers anymore and justifying her actions throughout the show (+ add the elves and powerful diverse woman who isn't taking crap from anybody sidestory), I had empathy of course but only the first time it was mentioned.
Wasn't wild hunt focus on the relationship of Geralt and Ciri? about how they both protect each other in some way or another?
There is a need for worldbuilding and character development sure but was it really necessary that 60% was not about Geralt and Ciri?
@@jeremyboughtono2 I just always missed Tom Bombodil, the whole Barrowdowns in general and missing out the scouring of the Shire. But you have to compromise somewhere with book to film.
@@Grim_Bud My only real criticism of the Witcher show is you took something that was beautifully, intrinsically slavo-baltic fantasy and turned into this boring, non descript western fantasy that has a serious lack of soul and feels far too clean compared to the world the books and games conjure (dark corner of eastern europe with monsters and serfs)
Well, at this point I see it like this. In the PJ trilogy, we can point out things that were changed or were not in the original story. In "Ring Of Power" we barely can point out things that were in Tolkien's stories. Soooo... how can they compare LOTR to ROP?
Brilliant!!
Lol.
Simple. PJ's LotR is an ADAPTATION of the books. Amazon's LotR however is an absolute FANFICTION.
They're barely comparable.
And for those ones who trash PJ's trilogy, then you guys should loathe the series because you're a hypocrite if you won't. Lol.
You see there’s a clear difference between the two, one is adapting a story from a book with a clear, defined narrative, the other is adapting an appendix that contains barely enough information for one season, let alone five
@@waylander9265 specially since they dont have the rights to the book that contains the actual stories.
@@waylander9265 They are not adapting anything, they are pushing a political agenda using a name of prestige, Tolkien's name, as a bait and as an excuse. When the materials they are using are not so structured as LOTR, obviously, they have still all the rest of Tolkien's works to understand its universe, if they would have any interest in Tolkien's works, they would know for instance that Galadriel was not a warrior... The Middle Earth world was drafted enought to use it as a guide of what you should not do, but their only interest in Tolkien's works, it is the brand, the prestige of the name, in order to make profit, that's all.
It's almost like people who are being bribed hate for people to know they've been bribed because being bribed ruins your integrity!
“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien
Bruh... Write that on the official videos, not here. It's quite useless
-Treebeard
@@blenderguy3250 Bruh...I'll write it where ever the fcuk I like....
@@greyallen6494 and who gave Treebeard his voice and his words...?
@@The_Reality_Filter man you are so angry
Rings of Power isn't Tolkien.
So by definition anyone who likes it is not actually a Tolkien fan.
It's the attempt to bring down Peter Jacksons trilogy while also tying themselves to it that gets me every time lmao.
@@disparutoo it's their pathetic attempt to insert their poisonous woke lunacy into every aspect of our history, literature and culture that gets me.
Ironic really as they clearly hate it with every fibre of their beings.
They are to Tolkien's legacy what Hitler was to emancipation.
Bingo !
@@disparutoo A classic strategy these days. If you want to make your own story in a world with a large established audience, just diminish your predecessors to make yourself look good. This way you don't have to actually come up with ideas to make your show equal to those who came before you.
And worst yet is insisting that it be accepted as Tolkien's.
I replied to the “Tolkien Professor” that the fact that every single person who got to see the preview “loved and gushed about it” was suspect. And this was before I knew about the gifts handed out to the invited.
Yeah that's shady af.
Also the fact that these people were specifically picked from a very small pool of people that already mostly agree with what ScAmazon has done to LOTR.
They can attack the Peter Jackson trilogy all they want. But everyone knows those films are perfect movies and far more iconic than the Rings Of Power can ever hope to be. Lol
They aren't perfect movies, in this one guy's opinion, but they were made for the right reasons by people with a proven track record.
I really do think they're near perfect. Now I have a few issues with it. I wish we had more Denethor, I'm heartbroken they didn't have more Eowyn and Faramir, and I hate the scene where Sam tells Frodo put on the Ring and escape. I also can't decide whether I hate or am ok with the scene where Frodo tells Sam to go home. It's so well acted and Sean Astin's performance there in particular makes me cry, but then again it doesn't make much sense and is in place of a great scene from the books. Besides my very small nitpicks, those are the best movies I have ever seen, and in my personal opinion the best movies ever to be made. I hate how Rings of Power defenders best strategy is to take nitpicks from the trilogy and blow them out of proportion.
@@gianna526
I know right?
Like, what exactly is their point?
This series literally unite frenemies----book purists and casual fans of PJ's trilogy (like elves and dwarves) to fight against those hacks.😂
@@gianna526 Near-perfect? No - I consider the last two failures as adaptations. But even at their worst they did a better job of reflecting Tolkien's work than this series.
There are bits that deserve fair criticism like comic relief Gimli and the ghost army but overall they are fantastic. I think even the biggest detractors of Jackson will have to admit his first trilogy is the best version we are ever going to get.
Completely agree. Interesting that in almost every other corporate profession, hospitality/gifts are heavily restricted and must be disclosed due to the corruptive influence it has.
Nobody cares about conflict of interest anymore when it comes to journalism. Even if it's entertainment journalism.
@@JosephArata We know they do it for gifts and free booze and not because they actually care or are unbiased.
@@JosephArata remember when people showed concern about ethics in journalism? ;)
@@JosephArata they aren't journalist's they are shills lapping up the juice of Bezos' cock.
@@octapusxft It's only a concern when it's convenient to care about it because of relevant events dictate it be discussed. Any other day of the week, they act like ethics don't exist. That's why we're hit with fabricated news stories that reflect a certain narrative just to create controversy and airtime viewership.
Why would you attack something that is considered a cinimatic masterpiece? Especially when it's pretty clear they where trying to copy the same aesthetic as Peter Jackson's films for this show.... So attacking the films doesn't really make a lot of sense....
They are acting the same way like an animal that got rabies, just randomly attacks anybody without any logic behind it.
The left reacts to logic as a vampire does to a cross.
@@Galeanthropist Lol. Ahhhh it hurts it hurts!!!
They are jealous. They would remove it from circulation if they had the option.
Cinematic.
They tried and failed.
The art direction in the trilogy was going for something I'd call "enhanced realism". Locations were realistic and slightly enhanced to convey a feeling, but nothing was over the top. Even Minas Tirith was realistic, it was just the mount St Michael but scaled up to make it more majestic and fit the idea of it being the city of kings.
Absolutely every LOtR location could easily exist in real life and would look natural.
In Ring of power, everything is just over the top. They are trying make the locations "epic" and the end result is what you'd see in a God of War or Final Fantasy game, that uncanny look simply doesn't work in a movie. R
ing of Power locations have the kind of aesthetic that you'd expect seeing in Disneyland.
Jackson respected the overall story and the nature of the characters 95 percent of the time. Jackson had the wisdom to pull back when fans said they did not support Arwen being at helm's deep. He was smart. These people are nastily accusatory and so arrogant they hear nothing but their own narcissisticly warped self delusion
no he didn't. You peter jackson fans make me sick.
The people that defends Amazon's LOTR show are BOTS
Wormtongues and nazgul is all they are
Peter Jacksons movies will always be a part of my childhood.
And a amazon sub-contractor employee will never change that.
I'd really want to return to the comfortable universe where we are trying to follow Tolkien's and other original content creatures' visions and lore rather then fighting over IP's integrity, dignity and ultimately excistence.
Bahahaha... Content Creatures! Thanks for that, what an apt description of Amazon.
Γλώσσα λανθάνουσα τα αληθή λέγει.
Ahmen!
I bought a copy of the extended editions of the Peter Jackson trilogy from Walmart out of pure spite of articles like this. I love the trilogy, I know it's not 100% faithful, but Peter Jackson didn't need to attack the fans to get people to watch.
3 seasons? No. I'm sorry, but I don't have time or energy to invest that much care into something if I don't like it.
Peter Jackson's trilogy was much maligned?
By who!?!! Every single person I know or have seen who has seen it has said it's one of the greatest film trilogies they've ever seen.
A lot of hardcore book purists hated the trilogy from day one and still do. They wanted an exact duplication of the books on film, never mind that it would be impossible.
Any time I see someone suppressing other people’s ability to reply, I get downright suspicious. Why should anyone who is giving their opinion be shielded from criticism? Are they above criticism? No, it sounds like they can’t abide people who disagree with them. Keep making good videos, Disparu. :)
Amazon is such a mixed bag... they can produce amazing shows like Reacher, with no "message" ... and pretty faithful adaptations to The Expanse series... but then do THIS SHIT to Lord Of The Rings... incredible.
Reacher had 92:8 ratio of good to evil white guys and vice versa of the black guys.
The Boys is also another great show too.
Reacher was great for sure. Seems to be down to what they intend each show to be, as they can hire and influence it that way. Rafe was hired because he pitched the Wheel of Time as this disastrous mess. And for ROP we've all seen the trailer, that's what they pitched.
Bosch was another very soild show as well, that did seem to havebthe creator involved, not sure about the spin off. Reacher seemed to have both the creator and Tom Cruises production company involved so it was protected there. The Expanse was already established and Jeff Amazon himself was a massive fan and personally wanted ot saved. Guess they had protection in some way because almost everything else....
@@billybatts8283 The spinoff is equally as good and it has Connelly on board.
I'd have more respect for these people if they said something like "The trailer was a disaster but please give the show a chance and judge it on its own merits". That would be a fair thing to ask rather than attacking people for their opinion.
There's a very big difference between making changes to better suit the medium you're adapting to and just changing things to suit your own views and opinions. When you're adapting a beloved series it should be your duty to uphold as much of the original content as possible. Peter Jackson knew the difference and so he made some changes to better suit the medium which sadly cut out some stuff. Amazon are likely going for opposite. For whatever reason newer directors and writers think they're amazingly creative people who can only improve the work cause they spent like 6 months on a script or project. When something like LOTR possibly took years/decades to write.
I'll also back this up with an anime example: One of the big hitters was a show called The Promised Netherland and during S1 it was an amazing production that the studio put a lot of work in to. They didn't change anything but rearrange and add some scenes. However during S2 they completed removed story arcs and changed the ending. This completely miffed off the community and S2 is pretty much regarded as never happened. Now to be fair to the anime they have a lower budget and only a set amount of EPs. Amazon can't use either of those as excuse.
Very well said. Which yeah I recall the promise neverland being very faithful to the manga. With some of the changes, I recall them doing. Being one of the characters talking to a doll about their plans, rather than thinking it inside of their mind. Getting across the same point, in a slightly different way. For it captured the soul and spirit of the original. A shame that quality did not last.
Which you are spot on about new artist, seeming to think they are just better than or able to improve on the old works. reminds me of stuff I used to see on video game forums all the time, where game is old so it sucks, new game is better for it's new. Seems to be the line of logic used by these new writers. That the old stuff is worst, simply due to being old and since they are creating something new, it's better than the old. For to truly improve on the old, would take alot of study and understanding the original source. You would need to know even the smallest of details like the back of your hand. Fully understanding how each thing works. Along with understanding, what happens when you remove this or that element. How things would change if you add something else into the mix. Which I doubt the people working on this show here understand. With how they can't even get minor details right, like dwarven women and facial hair. Making me it just the classic case of, they know better, when really they don't.
The show should be good by episode one. If they're saying you have to wait until *season 3* for the show to get good, then the show's obviously a waste of time.
Yeah since, while episode one might not be the full story. It can still start off on a very good note, by getting to know the characters you will be spending a majority of your time with. Giving the viewer important information, maybe a bit of action and foreshadowing of later events. Which is something a run of the mill ultraman series does all the time. Lays out a solid ground work, to use for the rest of the series. Which is something Geed does very well with it's first two episodes. Setting up everything you need to understand, the story and later episodes. While having characters interact with each other and a few giant monster fights.
For fail to catch the viewer, by offering them a reason to stick around and you will lose them to someone else. For to create a reason to get invested in a story and follow it, shouldn't take three seasons.
Your show is trash if it isn't good by episode 3, let alone season 3.
I agree. I personally don't like critical role. I have played rpgs before but its a boring thing to watch someone do in my opinion. Even playing could be boring depending on who's playing really. I gave ten minutes to critical role to change my mind. I was bored to tears and like hell no I'm not wasting 2 hours of my free time to this. A fan tried to down me saying I should've watched all 2 hours then decided. I ssid im not wasting 2 hours to something thatd boring me! If it hasn't hooked don't waste your time.
I mean when every response sounds almost identical, how can you not be skeptical 🤔
10:07-10:17
“He-Man does no stepping aside in this series.” -Kevin Smith
How’d that Q and A work out for ‘Masters of the Universe’?
The Peter Jackson Trilogy is as close to book adaptation perfection as I've seen. To be 100% honest I read the books in prison before the movies came out. Those books were special and helped me mentally escape. The Trilogy was as I imagined while reading. The Ring Wraiths were perfect.
"Το κακό δεν μπορεί να δημιουργήσει τίποτα καινούργιο, μπορεί μόνο να διαφθείρει και να καταστρέψει αυτά που οι καλές δυνάμεις έχουν εφεύρει ή κατασκευάσει." - J.R.R. Tolkien
I don't want to hit the "translation to English" button. I kind of just want to respond with a, "yes I bet this quote doesn't suck"
@@verumdoctrina4215 your intuition serves you well
11:12 I also LOVE the statement that "most TV shows don't get good until season 3." I mean, are these people aware of the existence of Westworld?
When you have a massive budget, it darn well better be good out of the gate. Rome was awesome and it was still cancelled because of production cost.
Uh, game of thrones, Westworld, deadwood, Rome, Battlestar Galactica. I could go on and on, what kind of excuse is that. If you don't knock it out of the park the first time, chances are you're gonna be cancelled.
That statement just goes to show how truly terrible modern writers are.
OMG so how did Batwoman fail? LOL
We do yearly training at work and one of those relates to anti-bribery and spotting what bribery etc looks like. What Amazon did here absolutely fits that. If you were working for a company and being put in this situation by a client then you'd likely be charged/disciplined with accepting bribes through gifts. I don't think this is much different in principal as the specific views of these commentators have been compromised by the bribery/gifting that has taken place here. It's why we have such rules and regulations to avoid this kind of behaviour. Amazon have breached bribery laws from the looks of this, at least in the UK, they should be reported to the appropriate regulatory body in order to be investigated.
Pretty sure anyone that gets a corporate job now has to do that bloody training. If we all get it, how do they not? ;p
Ah, yes, this show that got immediately downvoted to oblivion with just the teaser, that Amazon had to get CZcams to remove millions of comments, millions of downvotes... yup, totally the algorithm, and not our own damn eyes and ears.
That said, the better I know someone? The more likely I am to trash talk them.
I understand the latter comment especially guys. But that's different than a friendship group where you're playing a game, and when you're talking about their multi million dollar TV production that you would also like to succeed. And I just LOVE the idea that the algorithm completely controls peoples opinions. OOOO scary maths. It's better at pushing topics or supressing something, but controlling the opinion someone has on a tv show? Nah. The algorithm doesn't care whether you like it or not.
Peter Jackson did make a lot of bad decisions, even in the original trilogy. I certainly wasn't blind to them at the time. But what he got wrong was overwhelmingly eclipsed by what he got right.
And what he did get wrong, he had a clear reason or explains the method(s) behind it and are mostly understandable. Also, funny how he never needed to attack the fans - almost like there wasn't a reason for them to be angry....
Honestly, I think the closest we got to "toxic" in the PJ Trilogy was when they almost put Arwen/Liv Tyler into Helm's Deep and got backlash from those in the know.
"No true Tolkin fan will dislike the Rings of Power"
I don't know about you, but my truely Scotsman grandfather might have something to say about that.
That's nonsense--I won't watch any more of Amazon's "woke" bastardization of Tolkien...
The original Lord of The Rings trilogy films are TIMELESS. Even after 1,000 years, humanity will still watch it. Tolkien's universe and creations are gift to mankind which we should cherish, protect and preserve.
I have watch them 1 time and will never watch them again, same with the Hobbit..
90 days ago, i started on every page available a search of ANY info on where is the elf prince from Doriath, the one who was the Northern general of the elven forces against Morgoth, Galadriel's husband, Celebrian's Father, Lorien guardian and one of the last Elven Lords... now I'm came to you once again... for pity sake... where is Celeborn?
What if he's now Celebornia Elven Lady
Gay-ladriel I'm afraid. He's a man so was banished.
Oh they cant have him in there because that means that galadriel will be settling down and having Celebrian instead of being joan of ark lol
I’m already ticked that this show has no advertising of Celeborn, Cirdan and even Elros! Geez I thought showing a brotherly relationship between Elrond and Elros would deepen everyone’s understanding of Elrond. That concept was a “no brainer” to me.
Galadriel is about 2000 yrs old at the start of The Second Age; 5,400 at the end. Showing her and Celeborn during this age is another “no brainer”. And don’t you need Celebrian around anyway? So that she and Elrond can get together? Those are two love stories they ought to depict: Galadriel & Celeborn…and…Elrond & Celebrian. Instead we’re getting some Amazon-created elf/human love story - something (like hobbits) to appease viewers that “don’t know the books”
@@wd2989 wdym by 2000 she born at the age of trees thus mean she's 8000 minimum
Do these "writers" not understand the importance of first impressions? You only have one chance to not screw up. You might get a do-over but it's important not to screw it up again because the trust bar has been set way low and will only take forever to get back. If we won't stick around for season 1, what makes them think a season 3, let alone 2, would happen?
Overtime, I start to think more and more. Most have forgotten how important a first impression is. Since when it comes to a viewer and a show. You want to give them the least amount of doubt possible. For you want them to get hype and interested in seeing it. Not do everything you can to turn them off. For they are just putting up so many barriers between them and the view, it's making me doubt if they even care about money at this point.
Sauron was also known as Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts." 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
The Peter Jackson version is one of the greatest film adaptations of our time. It's a masterclass on how to keep the soul of a work while not getting able to use even a third the material.
Surprise, surprise! The unscrupulous people willing to sell out their credibility for a free vacation and some trinkets are also cowards, crybullying the people trying to hold them to the standard they should have held themselves to as being the self appointed "authorities" in the Tolkien fan community.
Journalism is dead. That they're crying we don't hold them to journalists of old is laughable. If I see one more mass effect article with a click bait title but really has nothing and a maybe in it, I remember when I took Journalism in high school and had every paper thrown back at me, and want to scream.
Reeks of desperation, considering Amazon is worth $1.5 trillion Dollars. You would think they would not be freaking out so much.
Im sure whoever is responsible for at the very least the PR surrounding this is rather desperate. I'd imagine if this doesn't do well commercially heads will roll. I know I simply wont be checking it out. Even if it's so bad it's like watching a car crash in slow motion. Not even out of a grim curiosity. Im so disgusted that they would try to pervert Tolkien and at the same time waste such a chance to expand the cinematic world. All the things they could have done. And they squandered it on woke virtue signaling. It deserves to fail as hard as possible.
I hope other ppl feel similar and just avoid it till it ceases to be.
The marketing strategy seems to be "how can we convince these people that what they think and see before them isn't true". Rather than just making something good in the first place. When that's your goal, I can understand why anything they do seems crazy frvom an outside persepctive.
@@disparutoo …. ‘oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive’. And tangled it is.
@@maybeitsyou1317 how do they measure commerciality of it though ? other than admit the viewing figures which theyll never release, I mean I have an Amazon prime account for my sins,sorry I am considering dumping it,but I wont be watching Rings of Power regardless, yet Amazon still collect my money whether I watch it or not, so they still get paid to make it.
Disparu! You villainous man! Once more your ‘Algorithm’ dragged me into a van from the street, beat me up, then tied me to a chair and forced me to watch this video! No control at all!
Lmao I imagine that’s what the gatekeeping Amazon shills think is happening. Or what they’re bribed to say is happening.
Came to your channel from the Failo show, the Algorithm once again of course 😜, and really enjoyed your reviews! Loving your content, keep it up!
I can't wait for this series to come out. Not that I'm going to watch it. I'm just looking forward to your reviews of each episode.
If Amazon was truly interested in doing the best it could to extend an olive branch to actual Tolkien fans with this event, they should have invited key opponents like you and Nerdrotic. Obviously I never expected them to try and make a good faith effort to extend a genuine olive branch, so it's not like I'm surprised; but it just goes to show that on top of everything else, they're not that great at chess.
Which I also expected.
Honestly I'm kind of insulted they are actually going after the Peter Jackson trilogy. I remember it well. I was living in Wellington. I was surrounded by the people making those movies. There was no agenda other than to be as faithful to Tolkein as possible and be able to translate that into an enjoyable movie experience. Everyone around me took the source material into their hearts and lived and breathed it. I knew actors and extras and guys from Weta. I new film crew also. It was all the same. They were devoted. There was a sense of not trying to inject modern sensibilities into something timeless. Tolkein's work spoke for itself. The fact that people from this new production are actually now calling what we did back in 2000 somehow racist or misogynist kind of breaks my heart. That is why I want nothing to do with this new production. I wont be watching it. It makes me more sad than anything else. A little betrayed actually.
That had to be exciting essentially living in middle earth for that period of time 💯 and you’re spot on, they went all out to adapt and present the material in the most devoted fashion it really is unreal the scope of the challenge and they met it spectacularly.
@@michaelwills1926 Yes, there was 100 percent belief and commitment in what we were doing. Things like this just never came to NZ so everyone was thankful, nothing was impossible. Everyone gave everything to it in heart and.soul. We wanted to show the world that this is what we could do all along. We still do.
Season 3?!!! The way I see it, many series start out great and then it's downhill from there.
If a show has a terrible first season, why would I ever stick with it till season 3!
Yeah, that has to be the most questionable statement I seen in awhile. It just another version of it gets good later. Are they telling people the show will be awful until season three? So if it gets good in season three, why would I watch season one or two? If I need to watch the first two seasons, for the third to make sense. Why would a normal viewer, who is not a reviewer. Want to sit through what is pure pain, when I can watch a Ultraman series, like Orb, Geed, Z, Trigger. Which is not only good from the start, but can tell a full complete story in one season. Throw in attacking the fans and acting like they are better than the lord of the ring films made by Jackson. To me all of this adds up to the makers of this show having no fate in their own product. If they had fate, they wouldn't need to do all this and could just let the show speak for itself.
@@tacticianAlexandra The original *Star Trek* found its voice midway thru Season One, when Gene Coon became the day-to-day showrunner. The early episodes are very much a show in flux, figuring out what it was and what did or didn't work. But it didn't take three seasons for it to become a juggernaut. (If anything, network interference and studio indifference sabotaged Season Three, with then-showrunner Fred Freiberger being wrongfully blamed.)
Typically a show will get itself together as the first season goes along. Otherwise it's a dead fish.
Truth be told, it seems like by Season 3, the show actually gets really good or gets really bad with hardly any in-between. For example Star Wars The Clone Wars gets really good from S3 onward (admittedly, S4 onward is more accurate but S3 has more interesting moments than S1/S2) and Legend of Korra S3 is one of my favorite TV seasons ever made because it's that good but S1/S2 are just... not good.
Then there's the ones that go south after S3. This is our Walking Dead's, our CW Arrowverse and the like.
Basically, I think the that if it starts out great, the writers and showrunners realize they don't need to actually try. If it starts off bad, by the 3rd season, the writers and showrunners know that if S3 isn't successful, they're out of a job. Of course, there are anomalies like the original Avatar: The Last Airbender which is great throughout all 3 seasons and Batwoman which is terrible through all 3.
@@reidmason2551 in that case. The writers are actively trying to give the viewers something good to watch. Along with trying to improve as they go along, due to caring about their craft. Which is something Jojo did. Part 2 I would say is overall better than part one, due to refining it's self. Keeping what was good about the series while getting rid of what didn't work when moving forward. So even if the quality is not the greatest around. There is still value there and is worth watching. Which in both star trek and jojo, at the time of their original release, were original ips. Which does give them more creative freedom than say adapting something as well known as lord of the rings. Letting them truly improve as they go along, without worrying they are messing up the creation of another.
The algorithm recommended your video and it got me! Can't stop watching, it even made me subscribe...
These producers are like a desperate villain at the end of an action-thriller who has resorted to holding a gun to a kid's head while backing towards the edge of a cliff, monologuing about how his plan will still work...
Whilst PJ's trilogy certainly had its faults they were in some way justified in its adaption from book to the big screen , they were at least respectful to the source material , with the up and coming Rings of power i am not holding my breath and from what i have seen of it so far , talk about a lost opportunity :(
What was done to WoT robbed me of the last of my ability to have faith in adaptations.
Keep up the great work! Your truth has brought you a new fan
Security guards aren't allowed to take $20 in gifts at one period...
What a lot of people don’t realise is the alterations to Jackson’s movie trilogy were small and done so for pace and emotional impact as a viewer. This, of course, is a completely different medium, and was considered impossible to adapt before it was made.
This is just nefarious, politically charged bullshit, and they hate being called out for it.
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I saw what they did to my beloved Wheel of Time. I have no confidence in them.
Thanks!
Whoa Low Water Mark thank you for this really appreciate it :) It's going to be interesting to see how the marketing for Rings of Power evolves as the show gets closer.
Well said 👏.
I've never seen a show try so hard to convince people it's going to be good. Red flag
Also shows that don't get good until season 3 are called "canceled after season 1".
Dude you are right on the money. If they turn of their comments then we can clearly see their lack of conviction.
I'm in tech-sales... If we consider the supplier-customer relationship, Amazon's and the influencers' behaviour is far past the grey area of what either company would consider reasonable business and entertainment expense. We, and our customers have very strict policies in place around these things, and for good reason - throwing cash at someone does create a conflict of interest or the appearance of a conflict of interest, and either of those is a huge ethics problem.
Its hot outside drinking riesling and listening to disparu on my hammock. Cheers
One point I never heard so far (but maybe someone else said anyway):
Even if the showrunners really know about the stuff, doesn't mean that there are being faithful to it.
Absolutely, this happened with Wheel of Time. I do think Rafe likely read all the books, but he despises them and thinks they must be destroyed.
And it's not a question of if they will be faithful to it, we already know they are NOT being faithful to it. We all saw the trailer.
They talk about the showrunners Not the show
There is the ODD comment about the show, but their thoughts on that are currently under NDA embargo so I can understand not giving details. Likely they want to get this over with first as they must have known trips and free gifts would cause more news to come out. When this dies down the embargo will likely drop. But until then, everyone saying the showrunners made them more confident than the footage is NOT a compliment.
I remember when LOTR and the Star Wars prequels were going toe - to - toe in the early 2000s.
For sure, LOTR trilogy was winning. Everyone could see how much love, craft and respect Jackson and his team put into it, but everyone was digging the SW prequels all the same.
It was a really exciting time, and WingNut and LucasFilm were going out of their way to impress and dazzle audiences - not just with cool visuals and great actors, but with verisimilitude and sincerity. They loved the fans. Skip forward a couple of decades and we get Soylo Ren and Rings of Poop. Sad, sad, sad...
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Thank you, glad you enjoy them and cheers for watching :)
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If you read Tolkien’s letters, you’d know, that he would absolutely despise what Amazon is doing. He absolute despised anything related to “the machine” and Amazon is pretty much the manifestation of it. If he were alive, this is pretty much is worst nightmare if he were alive.
I stand with the original Tolkien stories and true unbiased fandom . Never never back down . Stand stronger for what we love .
When people bring up that you should pay attention to who is being positive or offering smiles, I like to remember that Ted Bundy was known for being positive, charming, and smiling. Point is, none of these traits indicate honesty. Both honest people and manipulative people will use the same tools.
No matter how much bla blah blah they put out, no matter how many people I have no respect for leap to its defense, no matter how much I'm called toxic, I won't watch this until its all out AND people I trust say yes, its worth a watch. Until then its all corporate gaslighting.
Go away now.
LOTR had some changes, and people did complain (and still complain) about them. But the changes were few and far between.
The Hobbit trilogy (look how they conviniently forget that it exists) had far more changes, because they were trying to make a 9 hour trilogy from a short book, and most of the added material was bad and pointless. And heavily criticised.
The Rings of Power, based on the teaser and the interviews with the showrunners, seems to be only made of changes. They are making 10 hours (times 5) worth of footage from a few pages, and they can't even stick to those few pages correctly, before adding all their stuff.
Great video, as always. Can't wait to see you on Friday night tights!
Thank you dude, going to be very surreal I've watched that show for a couple of years at this point.
@@disparutoo me too. It's genuinely the best thing on the internet right now. I love how they pull in guests like you and shad and Gundam. The regular cast has a great dynamic and it's just a really fun show. You deserve it.
"whoever needs to depreciate another work of art to promote his own deserves no respect neither as an artist nor as a person."
sooo " how was the 20 mins
of new footage?"
well. " the show runners
are nice."
amazon is scared.
In my field of work if this sort of thing happens we call that Compliance. Every employee is obliged to follow courses and sign a contract as to not participate in this and actual participation is prone for an immediate sacking. Why in this case this would be any different and the ones actually having benefited of this don't see it as the exact same thing is baffling. Just goes to show how deep corporate greed runs.
Reminds me of Ernie Hudson's line in Ghostbusters - "If there's a paycheck in it, I'll believe anything."
2:38 Hey! That's me that Shaun quote tweeted. I'm Lord J.C. Nice to be featured
Ha no problem dude, couldn't believe that little string of messages. Yelling Bingo at people who like the trilogy is certainly a new tactic I'd never expected anyone try before lmao
@@disparutoo Right? As if "bingo" is somehow a comeback. Lol.
Spot on mate. Love the channel. Sorry to bother, are you from Perivale? You sound like a young Robin Leach. Keep on!
You can tell when people shill these days they make it so easy, like when some youtubers defend trash games and claim its the bestest ever when no one likes it, this had the same vibes so please Disparu keep point this shit out your doing a great job :)
So first they attacked the real fans, then they attacked Peter Jackson´s trilogy and soon they will be attacking Tolkien. In fact they already attacked Tolkien by rewritting everything.
My friend is a true Tolkien Scholar, unlike the so-called "tolkien scholars" of Amazon. He hates it - not because of bandwagon, initially he was excited for it - but as it dropped, both I (not as big a fan as he) and him (religiously a fan) both thought that the show looked like a crappy, generic fantasy series that tries to imitate Tolkien.
Tolkien's work is like a sculpture from Ancient Greece, the Jackson trilogy is like a sculpture from Madame Tussauds - the Amazon TV show is like a happy meal toy.
AY UP DISPARU
What I find funny is Amazon went to the channels already saying the show will be good. They changed noones minds.
I listen to every video you post BECAUSE.
Shaun Gunner's first comment is making my head hurt. How is that a contradiction? Also- I'm sure that the showrunners were able to quote from the Appendices and Letters- because that's just about all they have to work with re the Second Age! As for minds being eased that the showrunners love Tolkien- what I want my mind to be eased about is that they know how to run a show in the first place, considering their paltry imdb sections. None of the shills seems to be asking that question, it's just "Do they love Tolkien or not?" I love Tolkien, but I've never made a show and wouldn't know what I was doing.
I think the contradiction he was aiming at is this narrative that the movies and memes are not tolkiens exact work and therefore they shouldn't mind Rings of Power just doing whatever it wants.
It's a standard argument used by certain groups. They will try to find some kind of exception or just get you to accept a premise, then take that inch and run a mile with it and go from "you accept this, so now you'll accept ANYTHING". It's demonstrably wrong, easily disprovable, but if no-one can respond and he just says "bingo". Easier to just laugh.
I'm looking forward to seeing Amazon go into panic mode and disable comments when they bring out the first episode of this travesty and it falls flat on its face.
Fantastic, you’ve earned a sub by telling the truth; funny how that works. Keep up the good content mate.
I disliked the Peter Jackson Trilogy so my dislike of what I've seen of the Scamazon travesty is more pure? Nah, it's pretty obviously a turd
Ahh, the drama that keeps on giving! 😂
On some days I dream of having someone like you in my life, so that we can diss idiots together. Love your tees, every time! 🥰
Start doing livestreams bro. 🔥 content.
I'm planning to :D Freeing up time now and then the plan is to get started doing streams on here and twitch.
All you have to look at is the team Amazon hired to put their show together compared to the one Warners put together for the anime movie they’re making. Warners has hired a TON of people who worked on the Peter Jackson Trilogy, while Amazon hired JJ Abrams (destroyer of franchises) and his team. With just that information I have no hope for ROP.
same comment , other video : ähhm I'm feeling very optimistic ... ähhh i'm in good hands ...to know the show runners with all the knowledge ... everything is amazing and this is good !
You mention Journalism Ethics. So, I guess they can blame Gamergate for the hatred of this show too?
lmao, I missed that whole debacle so I've only found out information after it all went down. But from everything I've heard, the fact they still bring it up is astonishing. They should want that to vanish into the ether, it was NOT a good look for journalists.
There’s gotta be at least one human being in these catered parties hosted by “the show runners” that is willing to spill the beans on this trash tv show to the public. Afterwards, fans can start disassembling this “exclusive footage” and we would have nearly beaten these woke tyrants.
Dunno about that. In a company that would be true because people get hired for many reasons. These people will all have been vetted specifically for this purpose.
That they were always sending these kind of messages.
So, Amazon's first attempt at presenting "super fans" as loving their product was massively (deservedly) ridiculed and scorned.
Then, Amazon buttered up a group of fans highly invested in online fandom with a trip, gifts, and cool experiences. They exposed the fans to a pair of master level Hollywood manipulators with the title of showrunners. Those men were obviously successful in impressing their message on the group. The fans have all been repeating the same words, phrases, and ideas. It's really hard to resist highly motivated, highly adept manipulators in person, but the rest of us weren't there, weren't exposed to it, so it hasn't got any effect on us. We still aren't buying it.
I keep asking myself, as you said in this video, why are they doing this at all? One theory I've heard is that the people making the show are convinced it's the greatest thing ever. They've talked about it, and gotten ridiculed, and responded with name calling, and attacking the fans. That negative reaction caused Amazon to try damage control, and every time they do damage control, it horrendously backfires causing more rejection of their show. Amazon is in a vicious circle at this point.
It's classic narcissism. There is a complete allergic reaction to all criticism, inability to take responsibility, overestimation of their own skills and creations, and viscous redirect, placing all blame, devaluation and minimization of those who point out something they are doing that is found hurtful, or could be improved.
Man if it takes until Season 3 to peak, imagine what Firefly would have become...
I've just recently binged Firefly and I'm now like an hour into the movie as I type this. Seen the movie before but not the series. Great work, but SO many shows were back then, because it didn't care about any of the stuff shoved into the TV shows now. If that was made now the captain would have been a COMPLETE fool or tyrant or both.
Awe man..... did John Howe sellout too?!?!
I'd bet money that Alan Lee didn't....
They should subvert our expectations and make something good.
That would be a plot twist no-one saw coming.
Oh my, oh my.
Star Wars,Star Trek,Marvel...DC.... now Tolkien.
" The line must be drawn here! Here and no further!!"
People should be called out on their insolent hypocrisy.