Luffy Vs Natsu | The Complete Breakdown
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2024
- In this video, we break down the epic battle between Luffy and Natsu. We'll analyze their strength, abilities, and tactics to determine who would come out on top in a fight.
If you're a fan of One Piece or Fairy Tail, you won't want to miss this detailed breakdown by Tuckalmighty. From Natsu's Dragon Slayer magic to Luffy's Devil Fruit powers, we'll cover it all and explore how these two iconic characters match up against each other. Who do you think would win? Watch to find out!
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Little late but all the anime filler arcs are canon per mashima and are all referenced in manga canon arcs Natsu wins
I don't know anything about fairy tail but I'm pretty sure Natsu beats Luffy
Exactly
Natsu can eat his own flames its not like he’ll die from eating his own flames its just they wont give him more stamina
Your comment on Base Natsu being relative only to Spriggans is highly outdated... That was true up until the Dogramag Labyrinth Arc, where Base Natsu was able to hang with Base Suzaku, who scales relative to Human Selene's casual moon enlargement and then in Gold Owl, where Base Natsu is easily dealing with far greater than Dark Dragon Slayer Knights characters. I know you consider Selene's casual moon enlargement shaky and stupid, but even without "fan calcing" as you call my work, it's clear to see the moon is far bigger than before and therefore Selene's magical power has the ability to create a planet sized moon, which should have a level of Attack Potency far above Luffy. Luffy's best feats reach Small Planetary and just doesn't come near to Selene's feat and at the end of the day... Base Natsu alone can just take out Luffy with one Fire Dragon's Iron Fist with minimal difficulty. Also Natsu does scale to Fairy Heart Zeref with his best form, but he don't need that. Your understanding of Fairy Tail Scaling also seems flawed as well... With the claim that Aldoron is weaker than the other Dragon Gods in general, when that's explicitly not true
You claim that that sciency fan calc stuff is stupid... But the literal only way to scale 2 characters with any type of consistency is with calcs... As there's no other bar to scale two people from completely separate series
My thoughts on Base Natsu are definitely a little contentious. Since like I mentioned towards the end, he did get stronger following his fight with Aldoron.
However the manga makes it pretty clear that the Dark Dragon Slayers (Suzaku included) couldn’t really hang with a fully fledged Dragon God in the first place.
Which was the only reason I mentioned it in the first place. As It’s clearly shown that the Full Power Dragon Gods Fold Base Natsu, and pretty much everyone else.
And because their Dragon forms scale to Acnologia (not their human forms)
I thought it was important to make a distinction between the scaling for the two forms for Natsu. With the spriggans seeming like a more obvious benchmark to me (using etherion) as opposed to Suzaku. Who is vaguely around- or slightly above Spriggan level.
For hanging with a somewhat unquantifiable Human Dragon god. And assuming erza finds him stronger than Irene potentially?
As for Gold Owl? With God Serena being a member, and blatantly stating he’s the 4th strongest in the guild. It sort of backs up the notion that characters like August & Irene, should partially hang with those 100 YQ characters like Base Natsu (and to a lesser extent Suzaku) due to their portrayal as “strong” even this late into the series.
As for how Luffy compares to all of that? Luffy’s best pixel calced feats are 100% not as high as Selene, or even planetary in general.
But when keeping in mind that-
A.) Luffy’s Haki modifiers are not included in any of his strongest calced feats
B.) Aside from Selene’s single calc, Fairy Tail is concretely Multi-Continental, without anything in the manga continuity to support Large Planetary.
I don’t find it all that unreasonable to say that Luffy (with marginally worse AP) can make up for the difference using Hax against someone who doesn’t even fully scale to Selene (usually needing amps or outside help to compete with & defeat dragon gods.)
My statement on FH Zeref comes from Irene’s multiple statements of FH Zeref > Base Acno
But it’s fine if you disagree there, since it’s mostly a complaint with people who use Fairy Heart to make Uni+ claims.
As for Aldoron. I claimed he was the weakest Dragon God, because he was the first to face defeat. Sort of an Occam’s razor situation, where stakes will usually increase within a story as it goes on.
But Aldoron doesn’t have to be the weakest necessarily? It’s just hard to point at anything in favor of him not to be.
In general though? I don’t see anything wrong with “sciency” fan scale stuff at all.
I just disagree with using it as a standalone scaling method. Without statements and preferably other feats to back it up.
As I try to value consistency over raw numerical outliers. Since fans can calc almost anything to absurd levels (with pixel scrunching, or Cherry picked pages of art) while ignoring the author & intent of the story (such as the One Piece big worlder scaling we mention for Luffy)
Which would obviously invalidate the whole practice if not taken with a grain of salt, or context from the story. At least IMO.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY
I should clarify when I said Spriggan level for Base Natsu, I meant Spriggans aside from August and Irene, who are verbatim stated to be in another dimension of power from the other Spriggans. The weaker end Spriggans are the source of the Multi-Continental and Etherion level power, with August and Irene directly stated to be in another league from that benchmark. August and Irene are still very much relavant in the current Top Tiers. But as for the others, Base Natsu has long since surpassed the likes of Wall, Invel, Brandish, etc.
"However the manga makes it pretty clear that the Dark Dragon Slayers (Suzaku included) couldn’t really hang with a fully fledged Dragon God in the first place"
Oh no, this is completey accurate. Dragon Form Dragon Gods are equal to the Acnologia before he absorbed the Space Between Time and they can one-shot Georg, who is far above Suzaku's Full Power. That isn't a problem for me. But the source of the Selene Moon Enlargment, which to me is Planetary-Large Planetary is a slightly serious Human Selene, who loses to Full Power Suzaku, with Selene herself saying that Full Power Suzaku is above her Human Form in terms of power. So it's the HUMAN FORMs of the Dragon Gods that are the benchmark for Planetary-Large Planetary, meaning it ends up scaling to a lot of folks.
"I thought it was important to make a distinction between the scaling for the two forms for Natsu. With the spriggans seeming like a more obvious benchmark to me (using etherion) as opposed to Suzaku. Who is vaguely around- or slightly above Spriggan level. For hanging with a somewhat unquantifiable Human Dragon god. And assuming erza finds him stronger than Irene potentially?"
The weaker end Spriggans such as Neinhart and Brandish were long since surpassed by Base Natsu, who was verbatim stated to be stronger than them, and Base Suzaku casually one-shot that version of Natsu. So Base Suzaku easily one-shots the Spriggans aside from August and Irene. Natsu states he gets stronger and his Base is able to moderately hurt and keep up with Suzaku and do as well against Dogramag. And in Gold Owl, Base Natsu's scaling goes nutz... We see Base Natsu easily overpower Athena 2, who has all of Wendy's Magic Power, with Wendy's Full Power being capable of beating Haku, who's at least relative to Base Suzaku. In the latest chapter, we then have Base Natsu counter a serious stomp from a Full Power Viernes, whereas Georg got turned into a puddle by a serious stomp from a Full Power Selene. So at worse, base Natsu is now relative to the guy who's above Full Power Suzaku
"As for Gold Owl? With God Serena being a member, and blatantly stating he’s the 4th strongest in the guild. It sort of backs up the notion that characters like August & Irene, should partially hang with those 100 YQ characters like Base Natsu (and to a lesser extent Suzaku) due to their portrayal as “strong” even this late into the series."
God Serena is stronger than before. Which a lot of people take issue with for some reason... But even if he wasn't, he was never limited to the Etherion and Multi-Continental level feats that other Spriggans were scaled to. The statement that God Serena was equal to the other Spriggans was misinformed as when the 4 Gods of Ishgar challenge him, they say he's gotten even stronger. So the God Serena they thought was equal to the other Spriggans is even stronger than before.
"But when keeping in mind that-
A.) Luffy’s Haki modifiers are not included in any of his strongest calced feats
B.) Aside from Selene’s single calc, Fairy Tail is concretely Multi-Continental, without anything in the manga continuity to support Large Planetary.
I don’t find it all that unreasonable to say that Luffy (with marginally worse AP) can make up for the difference using Hax against someone who doesn’t even fully scale to Selene (usually needing amps or outside help to compete with & defeat dragon gods.)"
Well Luffy's Haki is for sure impressive, all he's ever had to deal with powerwise is Kaidou, who is vastly inferior to Natsu's best currently. Since Base Natsu by now is at the very least relative to Suzaku and Suzaku scales above the Planetary-Large Planetary level of the Human Dragon Gods, this means that at his absolute weakest, Natsu is hundreds of times stronger than the strongest person Luffy's ever had to deal with. Luffy's had to deal only with Kaidou's Fire, Heat, Durability, and Attack Potency output, which is vastly inferior to what Natsu is capable of in Base. And with his strongest forms, Natsu has one-shot people in that Planetary-Large Planetary range, meaning he's one-shot people stronger than Luffy's absolute best. So if we're going peak to peak, Natsu just needs to land one attack at all to finish Luffy off essentially. And while I agree Luffy's overall faster and future sight will help a lot, considering the insane AOE Natsu has and how much stronger he is with his strongest attacks, Luffy doesn't stand a chance and most likely couldn't just block his attacks with Haki. As for the internal damage Luffy can do, well first he has to get close enough to land the attacks, which puts him in range to get nuked by Natsu and secondly Natsu has shown very good internal damage durability when Guttman created several magical explosions inside his body and he took them just fine. Natsu's endurance is also just nutz as we've seen many times he is able to continue fightly despite insane internal, external, and overall painful injuries, so even if Luffy does start hurting him, it's not like Natsu's going down fast.
"My statement on FH Zeref comes from Irene’s multiple statements of FH Zeref > Base Acno. But it’s fine if you disagree there, since it’s mostly a complaint with people who use Fairy Heart to make Uni+ claims."
I agree that Fairy Heart Zeref isn't Universal as Neo Eclipse is clearly an exception to his attack potency and doesn't scale to Dark Blast Inferno. As for the Irene and August statements, they imply Zeref could maybe surpass Dragon Acnologia, but at best that makes them relative. Natsu only scales to that Zeref with Savage Dragon Fire, which is quite literally a last resort where he breaks his limits and has to hurt himself to gain enough power to overpower said Zeref. It's basically a non factor in most fights because Natsu's rarely if ever forced to go beyond his limits to that extent and if he was, he can't do it for long. Regardless this is Natsu's power and not the Guild or Book of END giving him any boost, it's moreso a sacrificial power he gained from hurting himself and breaking his limits in a way he can't even sustain for long.
"As for Aldoron. I claimed he was the weakest Dragon God, because he was the first to face defeat. Sort of an Occam’s razor situation, where stakes will usually increase within a story as it goes on. But Aldoron doesn’t have to be the weakest necessarily? It’s just hard to point at anything in favor of him not to be."
Well at their peak, all the Dragon Gods are equal to each other and Pre-SBT Acnologia, we know that. With Dragon Force, Natsu was able to defeat an Aldoron who was at 40% because 3/5 of the God Seeds were destroyed and somewhat weakened him. It's still impressive Dragon Force can beat 40% of a Dragon God, but he definitely doesn't scale to their full capabilities. But he still scales above the moon enlargement by many times considering how a slightly serious Human Selene did that feat
"In general though? I don’t see anything wrong with “sciency” fan scale stuff at all. I just disagree with using it as a standalone scaling method. Without statements and preferably other feats to back it up. As I try to value consistency over raw numerical outliers. Since fans can calc almost anything to absurd levels (with pixel scrunching, or Cherry picked pages of art) while ignoring the author & intent of the story (such as the One Piece big worlder scaling we mention for Luffy)"
Oh I agree, power scaling can essentially be whatever people want it to be. But when it comes to stuff like on-screen feats where something clearly insanely powerful happens, I'm all about that. Stuff like Luffy's Bajrang Gun or Selene's Moon Enlargement to me are valid and backed by "World Destroying" statements of power. You also have Human Selene threatening the entire planet of Elentear from overflowing with magic power and her magic power causing Tsunami's in other dimensions just because she's too strong. So yeah, in general I see direct feats like this to be valid, but when you get to stuff like "Natsu is Star-Universe level as early as X791 because he merged dimensions that had stars in them", I find those to be clear outliers. In general, I don't think your video was bad, but I do think you overestimate Luffy's chances with his hax, as it's very clear all Natsu needs is one solid blow to get the W. As for Gear 5th, it's hax hasn't displayed anything that can handle Natsu's level of power and thanks to the fight with Kizaru, we know that for the moment, Luffy can't maintain it for that long and the second it deactivates, he's left completely defenseless as an old man. So considering Base Natsu is above Gear 5th Luffy's absolute best, all he has to do is hang in for a little bit and then Luffy's finished. And if Natsu uses any higher forms like Dragon Force or Fire Dragon King Mode, Luffy's cooked for real.
Wow... That was a lot of text... I'm way too passionate about Fairy Tail Power Scaling
Why does everyone forget she did the moon feat WHILE AMPED
@@marqusmedina5983 Because she did it again on Earthland, just read the manga.
@@Narrativerse she didn't. That was explicitly an artificial moon created indoors
You have really good editing
Thanks, we always appreciate it!
Yall didnt cook. Luffy in gear 5 could put up a fight. But the second he runs outta stamina he is fucked. Also any of the fire attacks luffy uses will only help natsu win
Natsu LITERALLY killed a war god like it was cake for his family. Not even close; Natsu turns Luffy to ash
And? God is relative. Nothing in fairy tail is close to GOW or beerus
@@marqusmedina5983 And? Nobody said anything about those franchises
@@DuttyPosh my point was him killing a god wasn't a deciding factor
@marqusmedina5983 depends on the god though
@@DuttyPosh exactly
As someone who loved long ring long lang, does that mean that foxy, or someone more powerful, can increase his range all to cover the earth/increase the time of his slow slow beam
While AP (the potency of an attack) and DC (the destructive range of an attack) don't always correlate. In the context of One Piece in particular. Giving someone like Whitebeard Foxy's fruit- would in all likely hood? Give him planet wide range on his slow slow beams. And at bare minimum, should at least be able to slow entire Islands or countries (off of seeing Kaido just casually carry an entire island through the sky for half the Wano arc)
Hope that helps!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Other than zoans devil fruits don't seem to accurately scale with character base power like this. It seems to be much more focused on their skill and creativity with the fruit, and that's how there are fruits that act as straight upgrades of other ones exist.
Love your videos :D
Always glad to hear it! Thanks!
Ngl where did ur scans come from? For natsu 2 of them arent looking right
We used an AI upscaling tool, so some of them might look a bit wonky, but they are legit.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY the zeref one he didn't say that its diff in my scans
@@TUCKALMIGHTY nor ultear
nahh luffy base line is easily country to large country in base seeing how his haki clash with kadio engulf the entire country of wano and luffy scales above his gear 4 self from dressora being large island to even country with luffy mastering the form in wano
plz do more fairy tail content your the only channel that produces good fairy tail content and we need more yt like you !
I'd definitely love to cover more Fairy Tail content in the future! Hopefully we can get a good matchup for them soon.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYnatsu just powering up slightly erases luffy
@@rapidcougar3785 fr
@@rapidcougar3785 That's not even cap bc luffy ain't surviving 200 million degrees
@@michikatsutsugikuni3098 yeah sun god vs the dragon slayer that's slayed gods
Natsu would scale to zeref
Not sbt acnologia
But with the zeref fight 1 natsu didnt use any End powers to best zeref he only used ds magic and 2 lucy with the book only healed natsu she never gave him a power boost
Natsu best zeref using flames of emotion zeref says this himself
Foe is something natsu has had access to since episode 8
Natsu would scale to base Zeref 100% but his scaling to Fairy Heart Zeref is a bit controversial in my mind.
And SBT Acnologia is the strongest in the verse by mashima's own statement, so yes Natsu doesn't scale to him.
In Natsu's first fight with Zeref, he used the power of Igneel (FDKM) which he no longer has access to (he can only use his self activated version of the form)
And as for the second fight, tampering with the book of zeref + flames of emotion + potential mental nerfs for Zeref, are what made him lose. It's 100% possible that Zeref lost to Natsu legitimately, but at that point? You could also just say that Irene's statement about Zeref is not true- further backing up the notion of a non-universal scale.
So IMO? It's either
Natsu < Base Acno < FH Zeref
Or
FH Zeref < Natsu < Base Acno
Whichever you find more reasonable honestly.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY natsu at his peak in alveraz sbt acno>>>>natsu>=fhzeref>=base acno
Zeref had no mental nerfs his goal in that moment was to reset the timeline
And he was trying to get natsu out the way
Natsu proceeded to beat him with a form hes had the whole zeref
Natsu would scale to him regardless because he literally evicerated him in FDK+ DF and zeref reversed time on himself to comeback and put a hole in natsu natsu scaled to him in ap he just didnt have anything to counter the reverse of time
@TUCKALMIGHTY How when Natsu erased Zeref completely that true time manipulation was used and Natsu just proceeded to burn the fairy heart power
What mental nerf when zeref was in god form and is serious at fighting Natsu his hax maybe held back but AP and durability don't just fall down and fairy heart is a separate power source so Natsu pretty much bruned away godly powers
Editing the book possibly affects base Zeref but not Fairy heart cause why would it when they completely different beings at that point and flames of emotion don't actually boost power in anyway it's just a fancy way of going all out
that's Natsu's own power why wont he scale when he's outright stronger Zeref just has better hax
@@4nero_Dem0n1c i said he would scale to it
@@ReidnReactn sorry I meant the reply to @TUCKALMIGHTY bruh low-balls less popular or less loved verse
He did the same to bleach last time
Second time I made a wall in his comments
I love the pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack being used it brings back so many memories and good feelings we love and miss you captain Jack😢🫡
nice vid but i guess ure biased towards a bigger fanbase...
reply if u wanna debate or know what inconsistencies i found in ur vid
It’s a literal fact that Natsu would beat Luffy. Natsu scales way higher than Luffy. It’s crazy how you tried to downgrade Natsu compared to Luffy. You do not need precog to beat Luffy. It’s funny since he beat Katakuri who’s future sight was better than Luffy’s and Luffy still beat him. Luffy ain’t getting through his dragon scales since his ap is nowhere near compared to his durability.
Luffy defeated Katakuri only thanks to haki bloom which eventually made Luffy's observation haki comparable with Katakuri, before that Luffy was folded by Katakuri being unable to land a single hit, while Katakuri was toying with him.
Luffy mid diffs Natsu in all possible scaling. Either it stacking multipliers, using shown feats or comparing statements.
@@manlight5035 Luffy used superior speed to outdo Katakuri’s future sight. Also no Natsu’s power completely outclasses Luffy and that’s just in base alone. Luffy doesn’t even scale to Moon level, and you think he can take on Natsu that’s insane. With shown feats Natsu scales way above Luffy so that’s no issue. With multipliers Luffy still gets wrecked especially since multipliers work in Natsu’s favor more than Luffy.
@@YesNani Wrong. Luffy never had superior speed over Katakuri. The only time where thet went evenly was Snakeman and at that period of time Luffy already was comparable to Katakuri in observation haki.
Natsu isn't Moon level either. If we scale on raw shown feats Luffy is continental and Natsu isn't even island level. Natsu never destroyed anything bigger than that with his attacks, while Luffy's Bajrang gun without counting haki effect with raw size already can oneshot Natsu
With scalings basing on numbers, Luffy's is easily star+ without counting G5 with huge lowball, upscaling him from Old Whitebeard who could shake OP planet which gets easily scaled to size of a Sun by several methods of scaling.
Even in scalings and multipliers Luffy beats Natsu after Wano arc where litteraly all powerscale of his forms got rebooted over each other several as he was learning advanced variation of haki
@@manlight5035 Snakeman was already shown to be able to hit Katakuri and be fast enough to counter his future sight.
Natsu isn’t moon level since his power surpasses that since in base he can be scales to large planet level. I said moon level as an extreme lowball. Selene was able to enlarge the moon in base and affect Earthland from another dimension so I can honestly scale her higher. Suzaku was able to beat Selene and Natsu was able to tank the same attack Suzaku used on Selene to beat her. The fact you said Natsu isn’t even island level proves your hating 😂😂😂. Lol no Luffy is nowhere near star level. It’s funny how you downplay Natsu but wank Luffy. Just because Natsu didn’t destroy anything moon size literally means nothing your getting AoE confused with AP. No the One Piece planet is not the size of a Sun stop 🛑 the wank.
Lol Natsu beats current Luffy the trolling has gotten out of hand. Even with advanced haki Luffy still loses he does not match up to Natsu. Damn Luffy can’t even beat Aldoron.
@@YesNani Yeah, just like Katakuri was able to hit Luffy who also was using future sight. That's why they were equal. And don't forget, Katakuri technically won that fight, Luffy was out of haki and barely was standing, while Katakuri just gave up and let Luffy win.
So you litteraly using hax in scaling AP? Well in that point i can easily scale Luffy to omnipotent level because Luffy (base Luffy) even before his fight with Katakuri was much stronger than Mont D'Ore, who could create and maintain parallel universes (in vivre card they are called "isekai" or parallel world/parallel universe) and we have seen entire library of those universes, so upscaling litteraly everyone over Mont D'Ore gives half of one piece verse multiversal+ for fodderising Mont D'Ore.
And stop accusing me in hating Natsu, I'm not talking that you hate Luffy because you said that he isn't even Moon level even though he at very least is stronger than old Whitebeard who shook Sun size planet with one casual attack. Accusing me over that is just biased take.
So if you say that you don't need to destroy anything to be scaled on that level, you litteraly can't lowball Luffy too lower than Moon level AP, just because he didn't show AoE.
You just destroyed your own logic which indicates that Luffy isn't Moon level. And OP planet is actually Sun size (was stated to contain 20 million islands and distance between those islands can be higher than 4000km according to Viola who had power to watch everything in 4000km and said that there is no islands around Dressrosa + additionally there is pixel scaling which also puts planet of OP verse to Sun size starting it with width of Alabasta river).
If we apply the same upscaling logic to Luffy you use for Natsu, Luffy casually destroys Natsu, and it's not even close. Aldoron is getting knocked out by Luffy's Conqueror's release, Omnipotent Luffy through upscaling from Mont D'Ore litteraly solos FT verse. You see, FT verse isn't the only verse who has insane hax to upscale, everything FT has, OP has better.
Can you do gojo vs kakashi. Just to see the possible outcomes of how the fight would go.
I’d be happy to cover Kakashi Vs Gojo once there’s a little more interest around the topic!
If you’re curious about my thoughts on Gojo though, we have a full video on Gojo Vs Makima in the same style!
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Respect
The absolute bias bruh you haven't changed since Ichigo vs Naruto the hell is the research
Country level etherion did you even bother noticing how the smallest country in FT is almost bigger than our real continents with solid evidence and one of the bigger countries is wider than earth how is it that you think Natsu in 100YQ is only spriggan level when just in the Alvarez arc the spriggans were supposed to be equal except for 2 yet Brandish was legit scared of an amped Neiheart and Natsu slapped him like a fly and consistantly a Natsu traumatized Dimaria (and partial END is weaker than Natsu fighting Zeref) and continental spriggans is solid when one of them just has magic confinement=magnetic confinement (author proved) you know the same thing that produces heat hotter than the sun (oh yeah and Natsu's base heat is hotter than that with Invels statement) and with dragoncry being canon solidifies spriggans are fodder to a going all out Natsu except Irene and August
And what do you mean not a threat to top tiers when Natsu erased Zeref in his strongest then right after burned his powers away including the concept of time and thats an already worn down Natsu
just take into account Natsu even got stronger throughout 100yq just think about him taking blows from full powered Aldoron who's comparable to Ignia who destroyed countless continent-moon sized countries and Selene who can enlarge the moon to planetary sizes on a whim and passively affects alternate worlds from separate dimensions just by flexing her power
no hax no spells just raw power and Natsu legit destroyed a weakened Aldoron so he's at least 1/3or/4 of their power making him solid planetary he's easily FTL in base just upscaling from his relativistic self at earliest arcs
Luffy has zero advantages his precog won't help when Natsu's basic attacks are default AOE with serious heat no one in OP can handle Conquerors won't work the dura neg/internal damage won't work on someone with stronger insides (Natsu's organs tank explosions his skin couldn't and dragon scales with serious durability that tanks attacks that can cut dragon gods
Natsu's speed is enough to keep up
Luffy ain't escaping a one shot large city wide
attack that can destroy planetary characters
Luffy doesn't even have the AP to hurt Natsu as he's only multi-continent his hax won't do much his toonforce only works on relatively strong characters even scaling him to White beard don't work and even if white beard still ain't even solid planetary as A. could be hyperbole or B. world destruction doesn't apply to AP since his fruit just grants him the hax to reach such effects
It's pretty obvious how the fight goes Natsu can't hit Luffy gets annoyed then one shots with purgatory flame
Nastu ate that explosion. An actual shot to the mouth straight up knocked him out
@@marqusmedina5983 bruh he ates fire explosions work differently learn physics
Doesn't need no purgatory flame, being near him while he's using any kind of flame is enough for luffy to melt like chocolate
@@4nero_Dem0n1c I was just clarifying the difference between his durability and his magic protection
@@marqusmedina5983 and his magic protection protects him from fire not explosions do you even know the physics and difference between heat and explosion
Bruh
You clarified nothing
Please do a how strong is seiya from Saint seiya g assassin ❤❤❤
Kaido’s maximum heat level, which heavily damaged G5 Luffy with just the ambient heat, is base Natsu playing around immediately post-1 year timeskip.
Not even
Kaido died in magma which is colder than molten steel
Natsu melted steel like 20 chapters in the series
@@mynameisjeff7091 I meant him melting the area around him(Kaido melted onigashima’s top, Natsu melted the GMG arena and vaporized the clothes of everyone in it aside from himself). Difference between those feats being that Natsu’s ambient heat didn’t hurt anyone, but that’s just because he willed it not to.
Also, base Natsu can turn the ground to Lava and reshape it, so…
@@mynameisjeff7091kaido was literally unphased by lava. He basically drowned
@@marqusmedina5983 he was literally dissolving
That's supported by the VFX as well
@@mynameisjeff7091 he's literally fine and you can directly compare him to big mom who was in even longer
18:57 this isn't true. Kaido was explicitly amped in drunk mode and the gorsei explicitly stated that gear 5 is exponentially stronger than base Luffy
Gear 5 Luffy is stronger than Base Luffy. But the “exponential” increase just isn’t that large to be considered noticeable.
Kaido’s drunk amp was still competing evenly with Gear 4 Luffy before Nika Luffy. Which by itself, was already an unquantifiable amp over Kaido’s regular hybrid form- which Base Luffy could already contend with.
Showing a sort of middling stat increase between all the forms, at least IMO.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY fair enough
aldron isnt the weakest dragon god the earth dragon is
Bro was able to burn through time
You gotta have the worst FT scaling on YT 💀
haven't seen the full video yet , but I'm guessing luffy losing again but i like the impressive editing, your videos are visually impressive more now than ever
Luffy won with haxs theyre scaling is nearby natsu is physically stronger but luffy speed, haxs
@@greenspeedsernatsu negs luffy with actual scaling
@@rapidcougar3785 whole bunch of cope no negging here just high diff luffy favor
@@greenspeedser natsu is at minimum universal+ and at max outerversal
@@greenspeedserNatsu eats concepts and ate time and space OP has no such feat
Luffy isnt beyond time and hasnt slain gods like Natsu
Natsu is only debatably “beyond time” and Luffy is by all accounts- his own god.
@TUCKALMIGHTY well, Luffy is a vessel, but even so, in terms of raw power, Natsu scales far far higher once you get to 100 year quest, it's like putting Ichigo or Goku against Luffy and saying it'd be close, Natsu really is just stronger, I liked the video but I very much disagree with the result, if Luffy barely beat Kaido, he wouldn't stand a chance to someone 100x stronger than Kaido in every way
@@TUCKALMIGHTYand nothing suggest Luffy is planetary making Natsu just one shot him with any AOE
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwherever you scale natsu, it's not so ever less than luffy
Nevertheless, you didn't haven't seen the full capable of gear 5 ... Because when he fight kaido .. he is just awakening only but not master ... That's why the five elder are afraid of him now because of his awakening devil fruit ... It takes episode to see what truly capable of gear 5 Luffy has .
Celestial Arc is not an anime filler arc also don't forget acnologia ate the space and time which an 4th dimensional concept basically universal+ feat
Celestial Spirit arc is anime filler.
It’s not in the manga (meaning filler) and it’s anime original (making it anime filler)
As for SBT? Acno was too weak too absorb the SBT, and it was literally going to unalive him. To the point that he got split in half trying to contain it.
SBT Acno is also the strongest character in the verse- so take all of that for what you will.
If you believe Acno is above SBT fully? Then yes, he could potentially be 4D
@@TUCKALMIGHTY wdym acno is too weak to absorb the sbt he literally ate it
When he ate it, the power was so strong that it literally ripped his soul in half.
Splitting his physical and spiritual body, into two beings. Which could heavily imply that Acno < SBT.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY doesn't matter he ate it like nothing happened lol
By all means, interpret it however you want.
I’m just saying that if Acno could control all of it? And was completely superior in power to the SBT.
Then he probably wouldn’t have been ripped in half by trying to eat it.
Is really hard for me to choose between Luffy and Natzu, since i really like both characters
first in the celestial spirit arc natsu merged 12 worlds into one, he ate the lacrima that aborbed a transcendental spacetime destruction magic, he burned infinit energy and no ultears feat does cout sheliterassy explaines it she creates different possible futures and each of the futures is a parallel universe that she creats and she shrinks it into the little orb thats how she explaines it and the debunk with her turningt back time is also cap becuase the spell she uses is working with her lifeforce and btw base natsu is human form selene level who transcemded elentir wich is a transcendental universe earthland is a 4D universe Elentir is a 5D uniberse and selene transcendet elentir what scales her to 6D and low to multiversal. and btw jellals heavenly body magic uses the force of the universe so toh arc natsu scales already tu uni Natsu>op verse (no hate)
The one piece world just logically is larger than ours. Giants and massive sea serpents a rather common, even base humans can be much larger than they are in our world. I think just rationally, for a world to have these giant things, the world is likely larger than ours
Both verses worlds are larger than our Earth
I appreciate the amazing editing in the video but the results are not something to be satisfied wit as much as i truly love luffy n one piece in general ik natsu would fold luffy maybe not one shottin him but ik he would it hurts to say it honestly cz i love luffy but gotta see it from a realistic perspective
☠️☠️☠️☠️we got to pd this
Damn, youve scaled natsu the worst out of everybody ive seen
Real
damn you're grammar is worse tho
@@ZiKayOGIronic how you say that when you can't tell the difference between the words ”your” and ”you’re”.
@@GojoClearOfMakima i do know that you say YOUR in a "Your mom" sentence
@@GojoClearOfMakima plus atleast I'm not a die hard anime fan who always tries to create arguements for the sake of powerscaling 👍🏼
Don chinjao didn't split the ice continent but cause a small rift within it, and the ice continent isn't even country sized. It's like saying "well vatican is a country and russia is one too so if someone could destroy the vatican that someone could automatically destroy russia" or some shit like that. Something can have a title, but until that title isn't actually confirmed, then it doesn't account as a feat. And natsu fodderizes luffy + verse btw not even close
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Natsu solos One Piece
Now starting the video
What a mess.
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Aldoron is not even the second weakest, Dogramag was described as the weakest, to te point that Elefseria was able to kill him, risking her life.
Even Selene openly said that if Ignia hadn't hurt her, she could have killed Dogramag herself.
The there's Mercuphobia, which literally only has half its power.
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Are you not even going to mention that Natsu in the GMG fought with Sting and Rogue and sai tha he could notice the way yhey both breated, Sting exact pulse, or that Rogue puts her foot in a exact position when performing an attack?
All this with their dragonslayer senses, they practically said that they already know all their attacks and Natsu spent his time humiliating them.
You also haven't mentioned that Nika has a low usage time and that when it runs out, Luffy is on his las legs.
On the other hand, Natsu was fighting for a whole day when he went to rescue Lucy in GMG.
I think Natsu wins for now, but Luffy should definitely be able to win by the time One Piece ends.
Outside of just having stronger villains to take down in the future, we've also seen more advanced applications of Haki than he currently has that he'll more than likely gain to take down said villains.
I always find discussing matchups where one characters story is over while the others isn't to be a lot less engaging because there's always "room for growth" arguments and a great deal of uncertainty around abilities that have yet to be fully explained in universe that could completely upheave how the matchup goes. Or they can just get some random tool that negates everything the other person has and the matchup becomes infinitely less fun to discuss.
This one is still kind of fun though. I'll wait for One Piece to end before giving it any focused thoughts.
Natsu solos OP
The Eclipse Celestial Spirit arc is canon and the members of FT have reacted to the Celestial Globe's Light which travelled to different constellations almost instantly, putting them at MFTL+ speeds easily. And by the end of the main series, they move faster than the Celestial Globe's Light even, speedblitzing characters that scale above the FT members' versions in the Eclipse Celestial Spirit Arc.
The Eclipse Celestial Beast is stated to be capable of destroying the entire Celestial Spirit Realm, which is stated to be infinite in size by the Celestial Spirits themselves. As stated also in the afterword in a volume by Hiro Mashima himself, the Spriggan 12 are stronger than ANY antagonist before them aside from Zeref and Acnologia. The Eclipse Celestial Beast is included among them.
Natsu's heat lowballs 200 million degrees celsius in base form, scaling higher than wahl's magic confinement fusion which is stated to be the same as magnetic confinement fusion which lowballs 200 million degrees celsius. Who in One Piece has shown same level heat feats? Becauss Natsu in base form, just by existing could just instantly kill them all.
In 100 Year Quest, Natsu in Dragon Force gets stronger by millions of times, seeing as how hes capable of throwing hands with Aldoron, and actually clashing with him evenly. Aldoron is stated to have 1 billion stamina points, and one Fire Dragon King's Destruction Fist only took out 1 point. By law of averages, assuming that the power for Aldoron is divided equally into the God Seeds which number up to 5, this would mean that each seed would have the power of 200 million points of Aldoron. By the end of the arc, 2 seeds remained. One of them being God Seed Aldoron that Natsu fought and defeated, the same God Seed that carried all of the power of the main body of Aldoron.
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It's been 2 months, but at least there is some tries to make FT verse at least comparable with OP verse, so I think I'll spend some time to debunk that pile of assumptions and speculations.
Let's start with MFTL+ feat of dodging Celestial Globe light.
Well, first of all, this feat takes place not in actual world but in different dimension of Astral Spiritus and all constellations there are placed close to each other which proves that distance between the place and constellations aren't as large as they are in our world + Globe's light didn't reach constallations one by one, it was spread at all constellations at the same time due to how globe was sending beams in all directions. So there is no actual scale that would put that feat into MFTL+
If you go with statements about destroying infinite realm, this game can be played by OP verse as well.
In one piece there is a character called Mont D'Ore. His ability of buku buku no mi was stated by Oda in vivre card to be able to create parallel universes where he can trap people. Additionaly it was stated by Big Mom that every book created by Mont D'Ore contains infinite array of worlds. Jimbei also stated that Mont D'Ore's worlds are infinite.
The same Mont D'Ore was outmached by base WCI arc Luffy who just defeated Cracker who was 3rd commander and the strongest in the Big Mom's crew including Mont D'Ore exept for Big Mom herself, Smoothie and Katakuri. And in the end of WCI arc the same base Luffy boxing with Katakuri who is 1st commander.
So in the end we get just 1 dimension for Celestial Beast vs Infinite array of infinite universes for Mont D'Ore. This feat alone makes Luffy omnipotent and he literaly wipes entire FT verse by ACOC release.
200 millions degrees argument was already debunked years ago, but since we know source of that nonsense it's not hard to track where this so called "feat" comes from.
Magic confinement fusion NEVER was stated to be magnetic, this assumption was created by one English translator who just pulled theory out of his ass that Magic fusion is equal to magnetic fusion with no arguments. The same translator already was caught making several mistakes in his translation, excusing himself by saying that "japanese is difficult language and sometimes his assumptions can go either way". There is no a single statement from manga or from author directly implying that Magnetic fusion is as hot as Magic fusion.
And it's really funny that you say "Who in One Piece has shown same level heat feats?" - because you didn't bring a single feat, even if these words were confirmed, it wouldn't be counted as feat, but statement.
So in the end we still have no feats of statements of Natsu having 200 million degrees and his biggest temperature feat is vaporizing sand, while in OP Akainu could permanently change climate of Punk Hazard island turning it into litteral magma hell, Ace with his presense alone causally changed climate of snow island for a week until he left all those feats take much more heat energy to vaporise sand, so litteraly even Ace outscales Natsu.
So having base WCI Luffy from the beggining of the arc and before improving his haki to be already Multiversal+, scaling all his form (G2, G3, G4) and his armament haki improvement (after fighting Katakuri), than scaling his amps in Wano where in G4, having improved armement he was blitzed and oneshotted by base Kaido who took the strongest attack of G4 to the face and didn't get even scratch and then having base Luffy with ryuo haki casually dealing damage to Hybrid form Kaido and than scaling all forms with ryou haki (G2 + ryou, G3 + ryou, G4 + ryou) and than scaling additional improvment of Conqueror's haki where base Luffy with ACOC could clash with Hybrid form Kaido splitting the Heavens outscaling G4 + ryou and than scaling all his forms with ACOC (G2 + ACOC, G3 + ACOC, G4 + ACOC) and than putting it together with ryou, since as was stated by Kaido, it's possible to use ACOC and Ryou at the same time having in the end G2 + ryou + ACOC, G3 + ryou + ACOC, G4 + ryou + ACOC we get huge numbers of how Luffy was amped to the end of Wano and I didn't even count G5 with Ryou and ACOC.
Sorry for breaking your world, but Luffy mid diffs Natsu, if we go with feats, and neggs FT verse if we go with wanking using statements.
Natsu can probably 1v1 anyone and beat them in that verse, but i don’t think the power of friendship or any of his others power can help beat all of them together.
overall Luffy= multi continental to planetary and 3D while Natsu scales from high Uni to low multiversal with inaccesible speed and scales from 5-6D
LOLL who made u do this easy natsu dub video
fairy tail wolrd is larger than ours, unlike one piece, fairytails confirmed
kaidos heat damaged luffy…. natsu burns at over 1,000,000° in base this is hilarious
Dog crap natsu scaling. Im out
Fr? He’s way higher
The celestial spirit Beast is clapping everybody in one piece
Guys Luffy is immortal because he in gear 5 bends reality to rubber or be giant then the earth | he is sun god after all
Talking about hax???? natsu fire can burn Luffy soul,existence talk to me when luffy have resistance to it
Luffy (and weaker characters than Luffy) have resisted Soul Hax, both with & w/o Haki.
Natsu does have some impressive burning feats though, for sure.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwhen was there even solid soul hax in OP at best you got is brook and big mom and those aren't even relevant and those hax scales to nothing so resistance is irrelevant
aside from soul hax what do OP got against fire leagues hotter than 200million degrees that burns concept of time
I'm waiting
I don't think anyone in one piece is tanking momento mori 💀@@4nero_Dem0n1c
how did kaido and oden die?
i believe both had haki...
is haki never ending?
I believe Natsu's flames r way hotter thn anything we've seen in OP
but also putting aside natsu's superior AP...I believe he have a more solid AOE DC which can literally negate all the speed feats luffy have..a large AOE attack shld negate OB Haki too...@@TUCKALMIGHTY
@@weird_perspective68kaido drowned and Oden was shot
Eclipse arc is canon . Ultear n zeref feats are solid
I talk about eclipse arc in the video.
And If you find all of the uni+ feats legitimate; than Natsu stomps Luffy no contest obviously.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYLuffy destroys Natsu not see why even bother there's no point of scale in this crap
@@TUCKALMIGHTYstop scaling when there is no scaling talk about the stats and the powers that's pretty much about it you don't have to do this extra crap there is no multi Continental what the hell is that even mean
@@TUCKALMIGHTYwhat are you talking about lacking feats so you can say the same thing about bleaching Naruto so yes I'll try to be biased trying to downplay one piece I'm so sick and tired of power scalers trying to use that as an argument that's not a valid criticism
@@TUCKALMIGHTYhow is any of the one piece statements are nonsense but you never use them in order to have Luffy win your argument is never make sense please stop and make it make sense please
I'm glad at least everyone in the comments knows that natsu low diffs this fight
Solos the verse
Nah, Luffy'd win.
@@polibomarques1201 Natsu one shots the verse. Lucy is enough tho
@@flareshuriken1661 Nah, Lucci humbles the verse.
@@polibomarques1201 Bro happy one taps
Natsu is stronger than Luffy, enough fire heat is stronger than Kaido's transformation, which burned Luffy's hand with the Fifth Gear. For Natsu, this heat is nothing.
but then after a few seconds his toonforce kicked in and the fire didnt afect him, so natsu fire useless in this scenario.
His Ap is useless aswell because Luffy negates all types of matter with his imagination hax
never ever cook again
"And while yes, this is a stupid calc that makes a lot of assumptions"
Haters gonna hate on me
Are you the guy who actually got the calc approved for Vs Wiki? It’s awesome to see you in the comments, hope you enjoyed the video.
Anyways though. I just wanted to say, that I didn’t see anything wrong with the math presented in the calc. And that I actually really appreciate the work behind it.
The only disagree with it’s usage, is because I find it pretty inconsistent with most other feats in the series.
Making it seem like an extreme outlier to me? Which is honestly a problem of almost all pixel calcs. Especially creation ones.
So don’t take it personally. There’s no hate towards you from me. Just a comment about how I find creation feats in general silly to scale.
Ye, I am the guy who made the calc. People can scale however they want and I acknowledge that. But the Selene Feat don’t seem like an outlier to me.
Super cool to see you here then. FT scaling has changed a lot with your scales for them!
But yeah, I only really see a lack of consistency with Large Planetary for two reasons.
1.) No upscaling in universe, since nobody has ever surpassed Acnologia (yet)
2.) No other feats/statements to back up the pixel calc.
Everything else within FT is vaguely in the Multi-continental range for feats? With statements about “destroying the world” being reserved for Zeref, Acno, & other top tiers.
So the idea of the whole cast just sort of surpassing all that by leaps & bounds off screen. Without any in universe explanation above these aforementioned Multi-Continental to Planetary statements & feats (as Dragon Gods = Base Acno)
It just never really sat right with me.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYhow though when
1 direct statement dragon gods scale to Acnologia and that's author intended since why would you bring in supposedly weaker big fight opponents
2 ever realized how Selene casually enlarges the moon and her raw power no spells and hax were affecting multiple planets from alternate dimensions so your logic don't add up
3. Again Selene herself said she toyed with multiple worlds before not just the residents entire planets and not all planets had magic problem like elentear and each dragon god scales to her even Ignia is proven superior so you just sound biased downolay at this point
i feel natsu wins but thats just me
Same but for Luffy. Props for avoiding toxicity
@@marqusmedina5983 the new fairytail game is kinda ass
money grab im sad
@@Packirup1234 they made another game? Original story?
@@marqusmedina5983 kinda not really following the story directly but its a hack and slash game like one piece fighting path and the gacha is terrible
@@Packirup1234 oof
Na you are wrong
You all just can't and won't believe that Luffy will, but if u really go off facts Luffy gets the dub and i love Nastu💯
BASE NATSU 100Y QUEST SPRIGGAN LVL? irene and August MAYBE but natsu 1 taps anyone else
I don’t know if I’d say he one taps everyone else, considering the spriggans varied quite a lot in power as a group.
But I’d say he could give August or Irene a good fight in base for sure.
@TUCKALMIGHTY hmm which one gives him a problem?
Ajeel ,jacob,wahl and invel , neinhart gets Purgatory fisted
Brandish would be a problem VIA hax but natsu would burn her away
Bloodman gets turned to ashes
God Serna I mean he definitely get 1 shotted he's stronger in the 100Y and lost to jellal Natsu>jellal
Dimera definitely not a prob she scared of natsu
Irene and August the only ones I see that could give natsu a problem
Natsu would have to Go DF
Atleast
But yea . Luffy can beat anyone in the 12 that's haxed out
@@kzglo9403 don't bother with him he's biased Natsu literally fodderized an amped Neinheart whom Brandish was scared of and went and traumatized Dimaria and was clashing evenly with Zeref who in base should be stronger than all spriggan
100yq Natsu is way stronger at best Irene and August would make him go lightning or king mode heck his base form should be enough
@@4nero_Dem0n1cwith dimaria it was with his END power which is still contentious as to whether it scales to his dragon cry feats.
If it does natsu wins
@@marqusmedina5983 yeah it was END but that's just partial form which that level of power has long been surpassed
My bet is that Natsu has vastly superior AP to the point he should one shot Luffy, I mean you could argue Natsu has infinite AP. However Luffy's superior speed scaling and future sight would turn Natsu into a living punching bag. I just don't see Natsu tagging current Luffy without massively lowballing Luffy's consistent FTL+ scaling, or highbally FT's messy speed scaling if that's even plaussible.
Pretty much my thoughts on the matchup!
Very close, Natsu just lacks the tools to compensate for the few Hax Luffy actually has IMO.
Great comment all around.
Have you considered Natsu's durability tanking attacks from planetary dragon gods and Natsu's speed can keep up though he has been light speed since tartaros Can he easily tag Luffy definitely not but his attacks are AOE and I don't see Luffy tanking the heat hotter than anything One piece can imagine and the passive heat reaches quite far Strong mages barely resist via magic power
so Luffy takes damage regardless of speed and precog
So if Natsu gets pissed which he would thanks to Luffy he'd just raises the heat even further go Purgatory flame an attack that instantly covers a large city and can destroy dragon gods Luffy ain't surviving that
@@4nero_Dem0n1cLuffy has blocked island sized fire and nastu doesn't spam AOE as much as people think. At the time this video was made I agree but in the new chapters nastu blocked a full power dragon god so he's too strong now
@@marqusmedina5983 Luffy has blocked island sized fire not dodge Luffy can't travel a large city distance in an instant and Natsu's fire is 200million+ degrees in base his hottest burns time his destruction fist already covers a whole city and purgatory flame covered a larger radius and destroyed a good portion of Aldoron who's body is country size heck Luffy touching Natsu is fatal metal melts in contact with his skin in an instant
and the heat increase to ridiculous levels through transformations his heat also depends on emotions like getting pissed A Luffy who's obviously faster and hard to hit would easily make Natsu explosive in rage since even his guild mates pissed him so bad he almost killed Max
And since the earliest episode even a casual iron dragon fist destroyed a good portion of a port then a mountain a casual roar covered a mountain sized range and body heat vaped a few kilometer wide lake as I said most of his attacks are default AOE and all mentioned were done casually and Natsu isn't dumb Cobra mentioned Natsu having several strategies to counter against precog
So he'd easily utilize his good range and heat
Based on fighting a nerfed Aldoron and tanking attacks from full power Aldoron and fighting Suzaku Natsu is easily 1/4-/3 level of dragon gods you know like Selene who can casually enlarge the moon on a whim and affect several planets dimensions apart just by raw power no hax or spells and Natsu scales to that at the very least slightly
@@4nero_Dem0n1c Luffy being able to block large fire (which natsu doesn't spam and can't do to his limited magic) takes care of that.
Luffy literally spent an entire arc learning to destroy kaido's organs without touching them non issue.
Cobra reads minds he doesn't see the future and despite this he gave ERZA a hard time and would've killed natsu if not for brain.
Note that I'm saying I agree with the video AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE. Current natsu block viernes(who seemingly wasn't nerfed like aldoron and mercphobia) in Base. Unless next chapter reveals viernes was weakened current natsu is too strong for Luffy's speed and hax to bridge the gap
Luffy struggled with people like Kizaru and Kaido who Natsu would 1 shot. Natsu burnt time itself and a beyond transcended above it. Luffy stands zero chance
goon more sigma!
Bro imagine this luffy that is smart with gear 5 done natsu cant win
in one piece fire is a big factor(kaido,sabo,akainu) or heat anything...not saying that haki is baseline useless but if we do the right scalings...I do certainly believe natsu's flames to be way way way hotter thn any flames or magmas or heat sourcce shown in one piece...
and haki cant protect it forever...as we know how oden and kaido died..
Oden was shot and kaido basically drowned
@@marqusmedina5983 oden was shot..but did his haki have immunity to the boiling oil?..wasnt he like at the edge..
kaido died in lava..if ure a one piece fan u knw kaido cant drown..
and I'm sure natsu's flames are hotter thn lava...
@@marqusmedina5983 if u want i can debate...
flames hot enough to burn time and space..
flames hot enough to get through black hole...
he have access to urgatory flames and FOE..
he was melting steel instantly to molten lava just in ep2..
he can burn intangible things..
@@weird_perspective68 There is no flame which would burn time and space, mostly because time and space don't have boiling point, it's magicall aspect which allows burning other magic which manipulates time, Luffy doesn't use space or time manipulation, so it's kinda useless against him. Melting steel is level of relaxed Akainu who wanted to finish off Luffy and that magma was tanked by lots of people. However Akainu's magma was hot enough to permanently change climate, that amount of heat energy to completely disturb climate Natsu's flames never could show.
@@manlight5035i wouldnt say his lava was hot enough to change the climate. Doesn't an awakened fruit just allow you to change the surroundings?
Is aokijis ice 'cold enough' to change climate? How does that work? Ace destroyed his ice, his fire is way cooler than akainus magma, but aokijis ice was right up against akainus magma.
I dont think the temperature caused the change, but instead the ability
Its country level vs universal, Natsu absolutely solos, Luffys haki wouldnt get through Natsus skin
If you believe in Universal metas, then yes Natsu stomps.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYNot even. Natsu being at all relative to Acnologia puts him massively above Luffy. Also Natsu literally has Luffys hard counter as his base abilities
@@Frstypwngaminguh no Luffy hard counters natsu in terms of abilities
@@marqusmedina5983with what 💀
@@_Budlightyear_ immune to lightning.
Highly resistant to blunt force.
Has 2 different counters to fire.
Has 2 different counters for super tough scales.
It really is only high ballers who argue natsu wins without a fight
Lol Natsu fans are so salty
Science fun fact: Fire can melt rubber
So Natsu can defeat Luffy
And? Kaido tried that and lost.
Ace and sabo would lose.
Akanui will eventually lose.
Sanji and oven would lose
@@marqusmedina5983Why is that a good argument?
Natsu has burned concepts at his strongest and at his weakest, his flames in base form reach 200 million degrees celsius scaling higher than Wall's magnetic confinement fusion.
Who in OP has heat of that level?
@@Noah-fg6km scaling natsu to walht magnetic confinement never really made sense but my point was natsu having fire hot enough to kill Luffy doesn't mean he wins. Kaido tried that and still lost
Luffy turns those fire into rubber lol
@@marqusmedina5983 Wdym? Why you using Kaido as a substitute to the argument for Natsu. Kaido doesn't have nearly the firepower to compete with Natsu's. Therefore it's a no limits fallacy argument
Fairly tail are not SHONEN JUMP 😒
I love both, but fairytail scales SO much higher
Please, never scal natsu again. There are literally tons of other feats you didn't mention and some of your fears are literally contradicted many times 😭
Luffy Bajrang Gun's is filled with air, it's not a solid mass of rubber.
When you account for this the small planet level feat turn into a 523.9 megatons of TNT to 327.43 gigatons of TNT feat. (Gt If I use 1⁄25 second like the VSBW calc' )
Still ain’t touching Natsu ☺️
It's pure rubber. He literally couldn't blow air
@@marqusmedina5983 Ah yes, Luffy do not bleed he is made of pure rubber silly me
@@Narrativerse I meant he didn't fill his fist with air to make the bajrang gun. He literally couldn't as his other hand was holding kaido
@@marqusmedina5983 He can bite his thumb
Natsu would win if Fairy Tail depends on it. In any other case, Luffy would win, no question about it. Natsu's strength is largely not his own but that of his friends. He'll win with the "flames" of emotion, but he won't win if he doesn't need to. That's actually how his power works, and Fairy Tail fans should know this, in my opinion.
So much salt in this comment section. If Diet One Piece makes you this toxic ill stick to my happy pirate show
Fairy Tail and One Piece or two totally different anime what are you Talking about 💀
fairytail fans actin like animals trying to defend natsu😭
Could say the same for one piece fandom they be saying rob lucci beats natsu you seem like the type to not know natsu obliterates luffy
@@Scarking719 nobody saying Lucci beats natsu💀; And Luffy blitzes bro to death natsu just can’t win
He ws going on and on about some shit for whole minute there so i stopped the video is what i have come to say,🥱😴
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