TF2 Step 1: Make a PvP shooter. Step 2: Have no real anti-cheat. Step 3: Get a rampant cheating problem. CS2 Step 1: Make a PvP shooter. Step 2: Have no real anti-cheat. Step 3: Get a rampant cheating problem. Deadlock Step 1: Make a PvP shooter. Step 2: Have no real anti-cheat. Step 3: ??? Why are they like this
TF2’s so old, it’s more like: Step 1: Make PvP shooter Step 2: it becomes one of the best multiplayer games of all time Step 3: after 10 years, let it rot Step 4: your anti-cheat gets outdated and game gets infected by cheaters Step 5: still take people’s money for new microtransactions Step 6: repeat steps 4 and 5 ad infinitum.
@@Brother_Piner step 5.5: add more microtransactions instead of events ro content ... step 7: community has enough, protests. step 8: "we are working on it!" step 9: update the anticheat. step 10: repeat steps 4 to 5. and if the #fixtf2 geos the way it is supposed to be going, then : step 11: community protest stops giving money. step 12: money lost. step 13: actually start doing something. that is of course if they just don't work around it, or ignore it.
Do you prefer kernel level anti-cheat? Because that's the next step they have to go to just to try to get cheaters caught. Kernel level anti-cheat is more intrusive then vac anti-cheat.
@@pyerack yeah, even cosmetic only nobody should be forced to gamble to get the hat they want. I bought all my hats from the marketplace but them being there means someone bought a lootbox key to get it.
Market oversaturation and derivative content plays a large role in that. Well, also the fact that most of these games are merely vessels for microtransaction/lootbox/virtual economies. They have it down to a science what kind of shit people are willing to put up with/the bare minimum they have to do to make money. Creativity isn't really the point of these.
Just a reminder Valve wasted thousands on this garbage while continuing to let their successful titles like Team Fortress 2 wallow away due to neglect..
@@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX it's "updated" 3 times a year with lootboxes. Valve has an official Steam page and hosts official servers for it. They expect you to dump money into it. It's an active, live-service product. Don't strawman with "you're just mad your old game isn't getting major content updates!" That's not the issue. The issue is the game literally cannot be played due to a 5 year and going infestation of cheating bots. I am incapable of booting up and playing the game. That is unacceptable
@@x_hiberniadude they’re literally making hl3 my man. Hl3 is gonna be like gta6. Full lockdown. No info is going to be allowed to be put out. Valve can’t risk a leak so it’ll be announced a year or two before completion. My theory anyway
@@its_radit Just because he doesn't play a couple of their popular games doesn't mean he's a hater. I don't play CS or Dota either, but that's because they aren't games that appeal to me. I'm not a fan of tactical shooters, and, while I've not played one, I've never been a fan of the concept of MOBAs. I still love their other games though, and can appreciate what Valve has done to innovate in the industry.
The bot count on TF2 is disturbing. The constant DDoS attacks L4D2 faces is frustrating. The hacking in CS2 is downright unacceptable. Valve's been complacent for too long, and needs to be called out.
playing left 4 dead 2 (versus) these days feels like hanging out with a bunch of rude strangers, in a minefield, while playing a high stakes poker game where there a no chips or rewards for winning, and only your gamer honor to lose. Also the savetf2/fixtf2 guys are just pitiful, stop crying and start donating to community devs or something.
@@BeerCanBennytheIV I never thought someone could describe L4D2 versus so accurately, its always been like this, unless you got friends to play with (pain in the ass to find 8 willing individuals that arent dickheads for a full lobby) its always gonna feel like everyone on that lobby is on edge. The FixTF2 thing i see is like a last ditch effort to try to convinve Valve to maintain their servers, but there is a huge percent of the playerbase who only play Official servers and never bother with communiry servers even though they're ultimatemy gonna be the thing that will keep TF2 running in the long run, they treat TF2 like its a modern day game and forget that its an old source engine multiplayer game and its a miracle Valve is even bothering with official servers.
@@Source121 Overblown my ass, anything above top 5% percentile is infested with cheaters You're probably the gold nova projecting, I was global and I have been around 18k in cs2 playing with friends and it is absolutely fucking infested with cheaters, while faceit and similar third party services only have the occasional cheater (and they usually get banned, while by VAC they don't) And if 18k is infested I cannot imagine how 20k+ is, probably a cheater in nearly every match, it's probably rarer to get a cheat free match than a match with a cheater, they have verifiably absurd inhuman leetify stats very often and they go unbanned for months, if not years.
@@youbaouahdi4358 People always conveniently forget that TF2 is still being actively monetized by VALVe, till this day, you can expect cosmetics being dropped on the game 3 TIMES A YEAR complete with cases, new unusual effects and taunts so you can gamble away all your payday, all of it community made slop that's either not in touch with the games artstyle or down right not working, while at the same time ignoring one of the most blatant hackers we've ever seen in VG history only because they are too lazy to do something that will actually work, any other company would've been burned at the stake for this, but VALVe made Half-Life 25 years ago so they can't do no wrong. Community servers are going to be the future eventually, but until then VALVe in no point or opportunity has confirmed that they ceased development of TF2, until then we can expect them to at least fix the blatant and most playerbase damaging issues that pop up here and there, no one behind #SAVETF2 is expecting for VALVe to also do the teased Heavy update or rebalance certain weapons to be more useful or fun, we just want for the vanilla game to be playable for many reasons, community servers aren't perfect either and you can't expect every single type of player to just go over to community servers when the browser sucks and looks super ugly, the servers could have changed any number of gameplay values, they could reserved spaces that either won't let you ocupy while joining or you get kicked because someone that donated money to the server patreon wants to join, and the servers withouth this problem tend to attract the kidn of people that have 10K+ hours put into the game that wil stomp you and make your stay on said server miserable, it just makes more sense to fix the official public servers since, again, the issue is so blatant it stoped being funny years ago.
its insane to think that valve is making ANOTHER multiplayer pvp game when their 2 biggest, TF2 and CS2 are BOTH being destroyed by hackers and cheaters and neglect because valve considers anti-cheat to be "treadmill work" that isn't worth doing. How the hell can they expect people to dedicate time and energy to a new multiplayer game when they've shown us that they don't care to actually take care of their multiplayer games on even the most basic level.
it aint even treadmill work lol, community servers with their SMAC and STAC are hard cock-blocking tf2 cheating, restricting even the best cheats to low fov aimbot (barely useful lol), clientside visuals and ESP. can bots really work on those AC? No. Can you code a cheat that lets you use every current feature without getting banned on STAC? No. It's not treadmill work, you dont need to make an anticheat that bans every cheat and every cheater. you need something like STAC that doesnt let you shoot 270 degrees away from your camera, like bots do, doesnt let you fake player angles (anti-aim), like bots do, doesnt let you perform pixel-frame perfect movement, like bots do. let cheaters play the game, they're really not that good and they never were a problem in a game that isnt even about shooting all that much, its move about movement and teamwork than anything
As someone who's played in the closed beta for this game, Tyler's comment about it being like basically every other Valve game combined is grossly incorrect. The game that Deadlock is closest to being is like Smite from Hi-rez but you have freedom to aim in all directions. Deadlock has no elements from TF2 or CS. It's just a 3rd person over the shoulder MOBA.
Tyler is a bad source honestly. He made a bunch of fuss and clickbait saying "VALVE IS SUING FANS!!!" when in reality it was people straight stealing tf2 source code and another group getting told by valve to not piss off Nintendo. Then refused to edit the video,
It’s deeply depressing that a company who made their name through doing brilliant things no one ever thought of (“let’s release a toss-off pack-in puzzle game that’s secretly a grand satirical epic” or “what if game, but also *physics*) is just chasing trends now without trying to understand what people like about those trends. It’d be a little like the Disney parks just deciding to do whatever Six Flags is doing, but the only actual innovation is that you get to ride a coaster while eating bad food next to a guy in a Bugs Bunny costume *all at once.*
@@tehjamerz I KNOW, some of the employees at Valve tried to force the old heads to make a PR response during the Black Lives Matter movement. WHY?! VALVE IS A VIDEO GAME COMPANY, WHO CARES WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY! Gabe understands this and so he gave his employees $100k each to donate to whatever charity they wanted. He had to give them hush money, this company is fucked!
@@RambunctiousRaccon I never got the idea of big companies trying to make a statement about any political affairs. Most of the time it's so horribly executed and makes them look out of touch. I thought Valve was better than this, but you could say that for anything they've done for the past few years.
@@tehjamerz I've heard that Valve employees are jealous that the TF2/CS2 community does a better job at creating and maintaining Valve's games than Valve. I'm starting to think that's true because there's no excuse for these issues to remind for so long. Unless modern Valve wants to do away with the other games and replace it with this Dota Dota Overwatch slop no one enjoys.
@@RambunctiousRaccon How many of the devs that made TF2 will work at valve? If it is close to none then i can see why valve does not want to work on it.
Valve went from creating a new genre post-DOOM/QUAKE, to ripping of genres that were *already* ripped off of the games *they made* that started these genres in the first place. From trend setter to trend follower. *Pathetic.*
Valve games: TF2: Neglect CS2:Neglect Half-life:don't care Potral:forgoten Dota:only one they didn't forget Day of defeat:Lost to history Left 4 dead: forgoten Alien Swarm:exists
The most baffling thing is, Valve is a private company who runs the largest games platform on PC with a massive revenue stream. They don't HAVE to do this, they don't HAVE to pump out cash grab trend following games, they have an effective blank check to make literally whatever they want and not even care about the sunk cost. They can literally make anything but they've become stale and creatively bankrupt
The inverse truth of it is that they don't HAVE to make games period, so of course a company that has effectively abandoned game making as their primary output is going to lose the talented people that actually want to make video games, the talent that made the Valve name what it is today.
Thats why I dont think this game will see the light of day. Beta testing the hell of the game is pretty normal practicd at valve. That doesnt mean that this wont be scrapped.
yeah! unlike a publicly traded company that has to maximise shareholder profit, Valve is allowed to do literally anything they want to do as long as they don't go bankrupt, which is guaranteed to basically never happen given the amount of money they make from Steam. furthermore, a controlling share of the company is owned by Gabe Newell - ie. the man who was in charge of the company when it was a small studio making the original Half Life. I don't understand why an artist, who has uncontested control of a private company, which already has a massive and stable stream of revenue, wouldn't be more interested in using those resources to create things people enjoy
"Let's mix a 60's themed dress up game with a fighting minigame, a tactical shooter which is the grandfather of its genre, a hero shooter with abilities, a fantasy top-down MOBA, and some other shit with no anticheat whatsoever, and see how well it'll do."
@@hellwire4582 so what you're saying... is that no one knows anything. Maybe we should consider acting like it then. Instead of farting out hot air. If it is shit it is shit if it aint it aint. Until then just go do something else.
@@M1ndblast Dude smoke less crack and wirte comments that relate to what was written instead of randomly typing something based upon one word. Maybe you are just a bot and writing comments nowadays is just a massive waste of time. Actually no a bot would write an answer that somewhat makes sense so you must be a human.
@@hellwire4582There is a closed beta with 9000+ players. The game is not like that. It is quite fun tho. You all need to stop whining that valve isn't making YOUR next favorite game. Let someone else do that. I for one don't NEED the most innovative game of all time, which is a weird expectation many ppl seem to have to have. I just need the game to be fun and have a soul. This game is fun already and on track for the latter lol.
Remember that there were multiple TF2s before they released TF2. There is like a 90% chance that whatever this is would have quietly ended up in the dumpster and a new attempt started up without us ever knowing if not for leaks.
It's baffling to me that Valve can't figure out how to make anti-cheat to save their lives, yet are making another multiplayer online shooter that is supposed to be played in esports. CSGO and TF2 are pretty much unplayable in pubs due to cheaters. Can't wait to see the bot swarms that will infect Deadlock lol
The main reason Valve games have become notorious for cheating is because Valve is trying to be non-invasive with their products. Steam does not force a strong DRM on you (except when publishers do), and similarly CS and TF2 don't come with invasive anti-cheat, and most of their games are on Linux etc. The only deterrent to cheating problem IMHO is slapping a 70$ price tag on multiplayer games with perma-ban and active moderation going on ban sprees. It might sound like I'm defending Valve here, but this is entirely a problem they cooked for themselves by inventing the F2P model. TLDR online gaming is fucked
@@r.g.thesecond Another thing is, cheating is getting more advanced as time goes Back then, it's just a simple cheat engine script Fast forward now, cheats now runs at kernel level, and gaming companies retaliate by making kernel level AC In the future? Hardware based cheat I bet, and how are they gaming companies gonna counter that?
How a grown man manages to jerk off his own ego and infantilize developers at the top of their industry this easily over a secondhand description of a game he hasn't played, with zero clue how game development or design works, is baffling to me
What? Rockstar released arguably the largest game ever only a few years ago with Red Dead 2 and they currently have a full team working on what's looking to be most ambitious game ever with GTA 6. They're a studio that actually keep pushing the boundaries of what's possible in video games, something Valve hasn't attempted in years bar Alyx.
@@oldyearstillme Lmao, they abandoned Red Dead Online. The RDO community did the same exact thing as the TF2 community did and Rockstar still didn't care. TF2 is going down the same path.
“Gee, it’s almost like the biggest companies make the worst crap.” -A lot of people for a very good reason Valve’s legacy is being absolutely destroyed by morons. We are like Chell and potatoized GLaDOS in the bowels of Aperture while the fools have the run of the place… Unfortunate that Gaben is too busy sleeping on his money mattress to establish any order. Actually, he’s more like pre-recorded Cave Johnson at this point. The CEO of soundbytes and memes.
@@minestar2247 That's the point. I'm being sarcastic. Some of the best games out there are combinations of genres but this video acts like that indicates no real vision.
Valve had rivalry with Blizzard and Epic Games on multiple layers. Dota 2 vs DotA/HotS TF2 vs Overwatch Half Life vs Unreal Steam vs Epic Games Store Each of the three influenced eachother greatly. There's also id's influence because Gabe worked on porting Doom to Windows. Later Half Life also fought with Quake 2/3. Also what's important is an idea of "Ship of Theseus". These companies are no longer what they used to be despite calling themselves the same name.
@@speemus6223 Does it really or are you just following the bandwagon of shitting on Overwatch over-zealously. I dont even like Overwatch i dont play it and dont like it but i dont see how people are saying this game looks better
The thing about Valve was that they released a game only when they had a technological break through as a foundational reason to. Half Life 1 was about the transition to fully 3D environments, Half Life 2 was about the debut of in-game physics simulations, Half Lify Alyx was an attempt to explore VR gaming. The problem is that they became so profitable as a games distributor that I think it took focus away from pushing technological game advancements and then because of the massive release cycle, people quit or retired and eventually all those people deeply passionate about games got cycled out for people who were more geared towards game distribution and with that Value lost the ability to make the iconic games they used too.
thats why that part of technological breakthough are now geared towards their hardware division. their lack of hierarchy except for gabens final word and its hands-free approach to development where one dev could spend its time at Valve only working on prototypes that will never be released its also a problem that doomed released games unless two or more devs are interested on maintaing or fixing a game (like it happened with HL1 25th anniversary update).
Not exactly. Like, you're correct with those specific examples, but sometimes it was more about a good game design concept as much as it was about tech. Like, Left 4 Dead WAS about the "Director AI" or whatever, automatically tuning and subtlely altering a map's enemy and item distribution to better tune the experience, but it was ALSO just about creating an interesting game design dynamic of a cooperative episodic *narratively focused* online shooter, which hadn't really been done before. Portal was about the portal tech, which had been done before, but not so flexibly (in Prey specifically), but it was ALSO about telling a funny story and trying to make an FPS without it being about the "S" so much, since you weren't shooting all your problems away (or at least not directly). These were games where the tech shift was minor, but the game design shift was actually much more novel and interesting. So Valve needed to have at least SOME kind of "big new idea" at the core of the game for them to find it interesting enough to make, but it wasn't *necessarily* just a tech based idea.
@@fantastikboom1094 Half lifes break through was in the innovative approach to story telling, where most other games where just gimmicky arena shooters with barely any story.
Rants about valves new title that is still in development hasn't played the beta bases nearly all opinions on 4 screenshots and a couple clips of someone playing the tutorial with no other players mentions only valves failures the past few years likely intentionally doesn't mention half-life: alyx likely intentionally doesn't mention aperture desk job doesn't mention how much longer they already supported tf2 than any other AAA dev mentions Erik wolpaw leaving (he's been back at valve since hla) conveniently barely hiding the text that says he returned at 20:53 same exact thing for jay pinkerton many such cases.
I agree. Though I personally still cannot say that Valve have been good as a company for the past decade. Because they mostly either made pretty good games for the hardware that is only available for rich people (both VR and Steam Deck), or they simply focused on profit from Steam and microtransactions in multiplayer games. Like, the only games that most people can afford are CS2, Dota 2, TF2 (now its hardly playable because of the bots), and the singleplayer games that were released in 1998-2011! It would be great if they would also make some more singleplayer games for PC and/or consoles. But for now it doesn't seem like an options in the near future.
Yeah this video sucks. I don't get the point of making a video of just being "hey here's what this guy said and I'm angry" Like I get it, I wanna get on the hate valve bandwagon too but like... this ain't it.
I have a problem with your TF2 point, Valve absolutely deserves all the condemnation they’ve gotten over their terrible handling of a bot crisis in a game that they still pump new paid content into even though they are unwilling to properly maintain their own servers. Also WoW has been supported by Blizzard for longer so that point about Valve supporting TF2 longer than any other AAA game is incorrect, other games will also soon surpass or have already surpassed TF2 in how long they’ve been fully supported by their devs (remember TF2 had significant Valve development from around 2007-2017) games like World of Tanks and even Fortnite are getting close to or have already surpassed TF2’s active development so Valve deserves no praise there
"Half Life Alyx and Aperture Desk Job" A game most people didn't play either because they couldn't afford to, or didn't want buy a vr headset for 1 game, and a 5 minute tech demo. Also why shouldn't Valve maintain TF2 AND CSGO when they still make money off them?
"Nothing exciting for the past decade" Someone is living under a rock. > index >steam deck >Alyx >CS2 >linux, proton support At least stay somewhat fair, jeez
The first example is a VR headset that not many can afford, the second seems ok, the third requires VR, the fourth example is cs2 is merely a graphical update and lastly, a vast majority of steam users use windows and idk what proton is. You have too much optimism regarding valve.
Ok, let’s see >not a game, costs more than most can afford >not a game, costs more than most can afford >glorified tech demo >soon to be abandoned graphical update of Csgo >something that should have been done 10 years ago Valve are lazy as fuck and are desperate to target the zoomer dopamine addict market.
Fix needs to fix/keep updating the games that literally got them where they are, if they weren't so devoid of seeing what the people want then we would have like 5 new games by now
I wouldn't put Valve and Bungie into the same category lmao. Valve is doing fine for themselves, even if they make games that you might not enjoy. Bungie, on the other hand...
I see a lot of people dismiss Half-Life Alyx because it's a VR game saying things like "it doesn't count as a Half Life game", but having actually played the game it makes the current situation Valve is in so much worse because even if it's not the best Half Life game, they CLEARLY still have the ability to make excellent games. They CLEARLY still care about the worlds they've created, they just don't want to work on them, and it hurts to watch.
they were just in the middle of developing a vr game and just so happens to realized that they can slap the half life IP onto it for a safe bet. Half-Life Alyx is one of the games alright.
Ehh Id rather it go to them than pretty much any of the other big gaming companies. While when it comes to making games valve has rly dropped off by letting their older titles pretty much rot. But on the other hand the people at valve working on steam deck and linux i think are doing outstanding work without them i wouldn’t be able to play like 90% of the gamess i play and allows me to pretty much ditch windows and not deal with all of Microsofts BS
I stopped buying games through steam years ago. you can 90% of the time get them cheaper elsewhere, and your money doesnt go to this rotting, dead company that doesnt care about you or the games they abandoned.
As someone said - Valve has corporate ADHD. They are unable to keep taking care of their games for the long run (like TF2). They constantly make projects that they won't finish (infamously: Episode 3) And obviously the one garbage project that requires the least attention from them - Deadlock, is the one they're focusing on.
@@me67galaxylife there have been like 30 attempts at making HL(E)3 The issue is, they have a work ethic that lets employees work on something else if they want to
@@minestar2247 It's why personally I think that deadlock at the very least has people who want to work on it there, and that at it's core it will probably be pretty good for what it is. Unfortunately, it's going to die because of a lack of support.
@@bow-89 No, the problem is that the "higher-ups" (veterans) don't want you to work on something that they're not interested in. As such, if you don't want your pay to get cut, or get fired altogether, towards the end of the year when it's time to get rated, everyone leaves "unimportant projects"
Bruh, you spent a ton of time making this video, in order to make me sit there for 20 minutes listening to you ranting "nah, bro I don't like the idea. I just hate the lanes and dota and nah i dont like it" with no facts or data, no gameplay mechanics or gameplay videos
Imagine not uderstanding that when beta testers say "it's like a mix of these games" they don't litterary mean the devs slamed these games together and called it a day. When a beta tester says something like that , it means that they can see inspiration taken from these games. Like: Who said that the game being compered to CS means it's gritty and realistic? It might be just refering to the feel of the guns.
it truly baffles me that a company that literally has no shareholder pressure, and is possibly set for super life is trend chasing just like the rest of 'm.
@@Faygo2215 ah thanks, it’s from Collective Unconscious! Which is an online multiplayer fangame of Yume Nikki! Super duper niche stuff, they’re all nothing but pixelated walking sims that take place in dreams connected via nonsensical means, but they’re like the ultimate format for putting cool pixel art in games! It’s definitely NOT everyone’s cup of tea, but i like it at least lol
lmao what does that even mean? Replacement in what way? They dont give a single crap about tf2 and after playing deadlock its very obvious that this game has absolutely nothing to do with it. Though tf2 is influential, insufferable tf2 fans overstate that and think that its on everyones minds 24/7, but its really not..
This game has very little to do with TF2... This comment is a circlejerk within a video that is a circlejerk ("I watched 1 video..."). Deadlock is a moba.
Valve the private company without shareholders to please and an infinite money printer called Steam, that can maintain their games to the highest standards and who could release pieces of art, still somehow manages to do the exact opposite of what they could do.
I dont know what made you think most people think hero shooters are a joke, apex, valorant, siege, and overwatch are all hero shooters. They are also easily all top 8 fps in the US right now
because all of those games you listed get clowned on so much, thats why. even if they are super popular they all are known for having questionable types of people in their playerbases.
who? Also, top 8? Blizzard hid the player count for a reason, and when they landed on steam the OW fanbase is so tiny that it got dunked on immediately lol
The situation is even worse. The entire "Deadlock" IP was almost last minute, as just a month or 2 ago, it was originally "Neon Prime" and was set to be a "cassette-future" sorta aesthetic. Not to mention the lead dev IceFrog, the main dev for Dota 2, seemingly left the project as he's been working on Dota 2 this whole time. This game is set to either be the most hilarious failure of all time, or a miracle child for Valve.
Valve employes can chose there what to work on, the are not put on a game they chose to work on it. So Iceforg working on Deadlock, got an idea for Dota and went to work on that game. Sometimes they just stop working on a game.
uhhh no it was definitely not cassette futurism, idk abt citadel maybe that looked cool but neon prime’s art direction looked like complete a55, overwatch but 1000x more soulless, so glad they changed it. Still looks kinda mid sadly.
I feel like this video is cherry picked. While I'm also disgruntled with Valve's adandonment with their titles we can't just brush off how much Valve has contributed in the VR space for the past 10 years. Half Life Alyx was a ground breaking title and their VR Headsets are top notch in the industry. I wouldn't call Valve incompetent it's just a matter of their priorities are somewhere else. And considering how Valve operates in terms of re-acculating resources and development it makes sense.
1) Genre mashing is an incredible way to make innovative games! You are trashing on it with no explanation! I'm baffled by the comparison with food because it doesn't apply to games AT ALL. 2) You keep saying Valve "haphazardly" mashed all these games together, but how exactly do you know Valve did it hapahazardly? Valve hasn't released a single game haphazardly (kinda maybe CS2, but that's like 1 out of 16) 3) From what I've seen, Deadlock isn't just another hero shooter. It seems to be leaning into the Moba elements far more than anyone has ever done. It is more comparable to Smite than anything else (least to CS). 4) Hero shooters aren't dead. See Valorant. 5) Did you actually do a poll on the venn diagram of moba and hero shooter players. I think the intersection is bigger than people think. Also, Deadlock wouldn't be catering to the intersection, but the union of the circles. Or at least the intersection + the hero shooter players because on face value it still is a hero shooter. You just dont seem to like Mobas and are superficially offputted by genre mashing and are preemptively calling the game "garbage", and I didn't hear a single good argument as to why.
Valve just forgot that what makes their games unique is the fact that they are simple to understand, simple to play and to watch. Creating a new thing because some new genres are poppin up is not the right thing to do.
The lanes of dota the toxic community of cs and dota the flashy over the top effects of overwatch and the bot problem of tf2 all mixed together in one game sounds like hell.
And then VALVe goes full Thanos and says: "finally, i have them all" If the rumors are true, then Deadlock seems like the Infinity Gauntlet of "Awful video game aspects"
@@davisdf3064 Lets think of it this way, they could have better maintened there ips or used a few moba style class roles in a otherwise tf2 esc game but instead they made this, Valve lost there way and this game is the final proof to remove all doubt.
@@minestar2247 A case study of how not to add moba inspired mechnics to shooter games, well there is right way to that grafting togather conflicting elements isn't it.
Everyone keeps going on about #FixTF2 hoping for Valve to give them an answer or anything. Valve has already given their answer, its Deadlock. They have no intention of fixing TF2.
I kinda see a world where when Deadlock fails and all the Deadlock devs are really in hero shooter mood and start getting the urge to remake TF in Source 2. Just a dream of mine.
The way I described Deadlock in a conversation is that it's a Hero Shooter trend chaser by the company that invented the genre. It's absolutely delusional to create a new IP based on a genre that you invented instead of using the IP you already have.
It kinda reminds me of the 343i-era Halo titles. Halo basically invented the modern console FPS, standardizing many things now taken for granted (2 weapon limits, regenerating health, grenades/melee being a "hotkey" rather than a separate weapon you need to swap to, aim assist/magnetism, etc.), to a generic trend-chaser trying to do whatever's popular at the time. (Halo 4 tried to copy COD which was at it's peak at the time, Halo 5 tried to copy Titanfall which was at it's peak at the time, Halo: Infinite tried to copy the generic Ubisoft open-world slop which was at it's peak at the time, etc.) Halo at least has the excuse of the rights being given to a new company that was, by their own admission and in their own words, consisting of "people who hated Halo".
valve the company that has been praised for its originality and constant new IPs for decades is now being bashed for not just reusing the same old IP's and doing nothing new? would you rather valve made a cashgrab with an old IP because they know it would get lots of money instantly just because its a beloved IP like every other game developer does??
Really, I think it's down to "what are the long term prospects for this game?" The biggest killer of DeadSLOP is not that it has no audience, but that it's run by nu-Valve who has proven for the past decade that they can't manage the live service games they have, and actively work to undermine what made them great. Even Robin Walker refuses to do anything to save the franchise he created. They're nothing but trend chasers and a handful of the lazy old visionaries, who keep releasing unfinished games into a saturated market years after the trends peaked. The character designs don't even match because they re-did the game's artstyle three times! Even then, a cool setting alone won't save the product from Valve's negligence or the cheaters who follow them.
(Its actually more or less ready to be launched, but its being delayed for investor call purposes) Edit: Holy absolute fuck the Redditards are at my throat over this. I made a joke. Take the fart neutralizer out your ass and laugh for once, jeez. You guys are the reason why TF2 got abandoned.
Deadlock is Dota with the RTS mechanics replaced with shooter mechanics, it's that simple. All the Dota mechanics that were not inherited from RTS are there, it's just the perspective and the way you move and attack enemies that's third person shooter-based. Not saying it's going to be good, but anyone who tells you it's a nonsensical mashup of overwatch/tf2/counterstrike is an idiot because it plays absolutely nothing like any if those games. It's Dota + TPS.
From the artstyle alone it just looks so soulless. It looks like tf2-esque vague art style but colorless and soulless, its actually really sad to see. Valve sitting on an entire pile of historical classics releasing just another class based team based multiplayer shooter is just absolute soul death. I know it sounds delusional but the entire purpose of this is to do real measurable damage to your mind and soul, to see the last people who ever made good art in a medium make another piece of slop, please don't bother caring about it.
It plays really well though, the game is super fun. Only a soulless automaton would hate on something before trying it just because a CZcamsr told them to.
I was feeling down, and then I saw a new downward diary was posted and the downward spiral sucked me in. Now I'm still heading downwards, but I'm upside down now.
I'm in a fickle spot with Deadlock. On one hand, when Valve actually finishes a product, it is clearly something they are passionate about enough to cross the finish line. Due to their unconventional structure, they only give attention to something they are internally enjoying. So I'm happy to see anything they do, and what breakthroughs they felt they uncovered to warrant a release. Even if it isn't for me, I want to see the effort. On the other hand, the precedent they have set on their own games alone is horrific. As many have seen, Team Fortress 2 is absolutely suffering while still receiving community content and official server support. That should fall under false advertising in my opinion to willingly keep up a broken product with everyone making it public how broken it is. Counter-Strike 2 had its own well documented cheater wave which I think is being tackled, but I don't know everything. So it's clear the PvP market is suffering enough from cheaters alone, so that ends any hype I would have for Deadlock. And Valve makes it clear that they don't have any remorse for abandoning their games, let alone simply communicating that they want to abandon something. I'd feel so much closure if they just said they were done with TF2 and dropped it, instead of keeping it up to be exploited, but that's just me. As Emp discussed, I don't think I'm the target audience for whatever Deadlock is going for, it sounds alien to me. I am not sure who the target audience actually is. Though I am excited to see the reception, positive or negative, moreso than the actual game. I want to see how the room reads it, but I don't think I'll support it. I wish their priorities were elsewhere. I wish them the best, but I'll only tune in from afar.
"when Valve actually finishes a product" I'm gonna have to stop you right there. I'm Joking. But doesn't it seem like Valve fears closing out the stories they create?
I don't expect Deadlock to have a huge marketing campaign like Valve's major titles of the past. Valve making forgettable projects isn't really anything new. It all starts with Ricochet, then Day of Defeat, Alien Swarm (actually a banger, deserves a sequel), VR stuff, and of course Artifact. I'd even add Dota 2 despite it's popularity, since it's so far off from what they're known for. I see this more as Icefrog's game than Valve's, and I think they do too. So when they go about revealing and advertising this game, they should probably avoid trying to hype it up and release it low-key. Like Alien Swarm, it could basically say "we developed this game to test out our new hires capabilities" in the first line of the description.
Based off of the precedent Valve has set, TF2 will receive whatever CS2 receives after an extended period of time, as long as the playerbase exists. For example, V-Script and 64bit support was recently (in TF2 terms) added. Perhaps CS2's AI-powered anti cheat that they're working on will bleed into TF2, and that's why they haven't addressed it. But to let the game rot with zero word on the future of the game isn't right, even if the game WAS playable on official servers.
I love how people always mention artifact as one of valve' biggest recent failures but their auto chess game bombed so hard that nobody even remembers it enough to mention it LMAO
Bro is hating on the burger-taco-sushi-pizza SO HARD and he obviously hasnt even tried it. That's ok,... more for me. _wipes chunky vomit from moustache_
@@augustinehuizing6683 Well at least just Half-Life. It's dirty but it has an air of cartooniness to it. It tried to be as grounded and realistic as it could be on the tech available and that produced an ugly but extremely lovable and memorable style. It doesn't look like TLoU or CoD, it despite mainly aiming for realism is recognizable as Half-Life and not just Realistic. It's like Breaking Bad. Despite being grungy and realistic and shot in a very similar way to a lot of other gritty TV Drama's, not only does Breaking Bad have some admittedly goofy moments you don't immediately notice because of how well the story gets you engaged, but also iconic visual motifs like the New Mexico filter. Unrealistic isn't always stylish and realistic isn't always styleless. Half-Life's style isn't just "Realistic", it's Dirty and Grimy on each individual piece in a shot but clean and readable as a whole, grounding but engaging, like it's a movie and runs on movie logic as well as game logic. Counter-Strike shares ancestry with the Half-Life series and so a Half-Life dedicated PVP Game rather than just a Deathmatch mode would probably look similar but with Half-Life's unique stylings, mainly in the clothing, weapons, and the unique apocalyptic urban environments you could fight in, or the sprawling rural areas as shown in Half-Life 2: Episode 2. Not to mention the creature designs. It would've been nice to visit the Half-Life universe again and have a Half-Life experience and a big part of that is the realistic and grimy but clean and readable cinematic Half-Life visual style.
I agree the half life aesthetic is washed out but looking like a neon puke bomb is not any better, those screenshots are NOT readable @@augustinehuizing6683
@@slamjam7676 That's fair enough, but most of those are secondary additions and aren't essential to the game, vs. a proper hero shooter where (almost) every class has a set of cooldown skills
@@Pimploaf_YTPcooldown skills don't define an entire genre, it's such a broad mechanic that's existed in plenty of other genres long before hero shooters
@@Pimploaf_YTPcooldown skills don't define an entire genre, it's such a broad mechanic that's existed in plenty of other genres long before hero shooters.
"Last five or six years" My guy there have been signs the industry would go the way it has without course correct since the 2010s. A bit late to the party.
I feel like DOTA2 and its competitive brainrot has eroded Valve, for some reason they think that if whatever they make doesn't contain at least some aspect of DOTA then it will fail.
the problem with artifact could be described in 3 points 1. we had already been waiting for a new concept or ip for years already after all the canceled projects 2. the monetization system they had in place just was never gonna work 3. and it was released at the wrong time considering people were already getting exhausted with the genre and its bloat at the time deadlock could be a very fun game potentially better then its peers but the breaker for me is they were doing this while 2 of their big multiplayer games where going down the shitter teamfortress and counter strike had to die for this to come out i like the steampunk aesthetic but i dislike the current artstyle i'll try it but the fact they sacrificed tf2 for this shit will always sour it for me
gabe is a mascot, not really manages steam anymore, think of him as the company face, when you think of gabe you immediately think of steam, although he doesnt manage there, he do owns it
@@elfascisto6549 half life, portal, l4d, tf, but mainly half life since it has a famous cliffhanger thats like 15 years old now or something with no resolution.
I agree mostly with what you've said, but my man. Every shooter map has lanes, corridors and sidewalks. TF2 for example mostly have one lane or 3 lane map. Also, I am a fan of CSGO, Dota 2 and TF2, but still after that I wouldn't play Deadlock.
I think i fundamentally think your hot take is kind of bad. that's Not every game that everyone makes is a banger, especially in the multiplayer genre, especially after it gets played for long periods of time. I actually think pub tf2, is kind of a shit game, competitively with competitive rulesets, its one of the most fun games ive ever played. But default pub tf2 kind of sucks. It's a bunch of people in servers with no concept of coordination or roles kind of just doing their own thing, teamwork is so far off the table in the average server that it feels like people are annoyed that they would have to stop staring dead eyed in a corner while they repair their sentry gun, not caring if they win or lose. If that is the kind of experience, that valve is "saving", and that is what public tf2 is, atleast for me has been for years i kind of don't give a shit. What is the captivating gameplay of tf2 that you guys experience on the regular? Was it due to the game and game design, or was it a cool casual game to hang out with friends and chat a bit with? Sure, you could also just chill in a discord and talk to random people. And i kind think you are alone in this, tf2 has had more or less the same player numbers for 10 years, and they are around 10-12 percent of dota 2's player numbers. Dota 2, even if you dislike it, is an amazing game, CS, is an amazing game. Artifact failing? so what, it was a card game that failed? clearly not a huge project with alot of resources behind it, and valve cut thier losses and went on. Valve also made the steamdeck, an amazing piece of engineering as well as early competent vr, and one of the best VR experiences in half life alyx. Dota 2 is constantly changing up its meta and game and keeping its player base reasonably happy. You may just be older now, and know what kind of games you like, that's fine. I hope that valve creates a captivating hero shooter that is fun, i actually am excited about it. Valve is actually a pretty competent company when it comes to gameplay. Hillariously, i think tf2s in practice gameplay, to kind of be shit, ill take lootbox filled gameplay that i completely ignore with a tight captivating gameplay experiences, over a server with 6 snipers just fucking about, a battle medic that is high as hell in the corner, the 2 people in the server that actually want to take the point and do some battle. The tight narrative driven games that valve created are not it's core business model, It wants games that are highly captivating and engaging that will keep you on its platform, so they can take thier 30 percent when you buy other things on the store. And i would love if valve made tight narrative games again, but the incentives aren't really made for that.
If Valve cannot maintain their current games, what hope does a consumer possibly have that they’ll maintain Deadlock more than 3 years after release? Also, It’s honestly mind boggling that a company like Valve, who deliberately stayed a private company for creative reason, have drummed up something so dull and uninspired. It’s a slap in the face to both TF2 and CS2 fans who were under there impression that Valve were working on something special.
cs2 and dota 2 being at some of the highest numbers theyve been for awhile? dota 2 the game that has had a massive updates recently that are loved by the community? crownfall is regarded as one of the best updates. Get over tf2. It's 17 year old dead game with the same pool of 1000 autists
ikr, it just seems like they're "trying" to make something that stands out but doing it in the safest way possible by combining things that are already mainstream
@DuncanWilliamsOFFICIAL What would it even mean to have an idea based off of literally nothing? What you're saying is obvious and couldn't logically be any other way.
Instead of spending $300 on a TF2 tradeup to give me a 20% chance of getting a cool item (and an 80% chance of a garbage Christmas hat worth 30 cents), I put that money toward a PS3 and a ton of games at the last second, which so far have brought me more joy than TF2 has in the past 18 months. I will not support or buy Valve anything, and I encourage others to follow suit. They're completely out of touch just like their peers
honestly so far deadlock looks like valve's attempt on trying to look "trendy", like they saw fortnite and valorant and stuff and were like "oh that's what teenagers nowaday want" and just kinda went for that style, but that's just not how it works…:( it's like coming back from school as a kid to your dad overusing slang words when talking to you :D by trying to be something that you aren't you'll just look silly if not stupid… you just have to be what you are Valve, you just have to do what YOU want to do, I know that Valve "wants to keep being a small indie company so they don't hire a lot", well small indie companies also do what THEY want, and not something that is trendy…
At least TF2 has the excuse of being a 17 year old game. Valve's most recent title was CS2: a glorified source port of CSGO with barely any new content, and it's probably the most buggy unpolished mess right now, not to mention the game is barely a year old and already has a bot crisis, and Valve has done jack shit to fix it.
could you explain why cs2 is a buggy mess? been playing since beta and I personally believe that the game is actually very polished, I agree with you on the lack of content, not like they haven't already made the content, they just choose to drip feed the content such as maps, game modes etc. and as far as I'm aware with the bot situation, valve really is doing something, they banned roughly 300k bot accounts just last week, there are public stats you can look up.
@@consolegamer1122 There are a million tiny minutiae things that add up which would take forever too list here, but to summarize it: probably one of the biggest issues outside of cheaters/bots right now is just the general gunplay feeling off compared to CSGO, the main reason for this I suspect is the subtick system that Valve was hyping up to the launch of CS2. If you're a casual player this probably won't affect you much, but if your competitive then you understand that ticks are basically everything when it comes to the smoothness of gameplay. One of FaceIt's main selling points is that it hosts 128 tick servers which are double that of Valve's embarrassingly outdated 60 tick servers. Outside of that, I also find it particularly scummy especially of Valve when they forced CS:GO players to migrate over to CS2 rather than have a natural community segue. It comes off as insecure, like Valve no longer has the confidence they used to when it comes to making sequels to games. Imagine if Valve forced players from L4D1 to move to L4D2, but L4D2 has less content - and is full of new bugs and a substantial lack of polish.
@@spimpsmacker6422 the gunplay feels fine. Subtick at any tickrate (64 on Valve servers btw, you sped) is objectively more precise than traditional tick-based networking. They forced the upgrade to CS2 because of the skin economy and the competitive scene - Left 4 Dead is not a competitive shooter with a tournament scene and complex network of organisations and sponsors. You think like a child
@@acex222 Okay sorry I accidently got the number off by only four digits, I didn't mean to set off your sperg alarm. Secondly no, the subtick system is shit. I don't know what exactly it is within the code that causes it to fuck with the game, but most people will agree that it screws with the gunplay and hit registration too much. Forcing players to move to a new platform is something Valve has never done with a sequel, they didn't do it with 1.6 and CS:GO, they didn't do it with TFC and TF2, so why is this such an exception? 1.6 tournaments still went on years into CS:GO's early life and both games were completely fine in the end. Skins make even less sense when they're literally just game textures with an arbitrary price value, even if Valve had to update both games simultaneously to keep the economy in balance, I don't think it will kill them to keep up with the task of adding a few pngs to the game.
@@spimpsmacker6422 64 ticks is something anyone who's qualified to have any opinion on tickrate should know - it's a sign you're thick as a brick outhouse. "most people will agree" isn't meaningful, because it goes in the fact of hard facts - it makes hits and misses more precise. Subtick is an improvement over 64 ticks because categorically cannot miss a shot that was going to hit due to tickrate. "Adding a few PNGs" child with no concept of work detected, opinion dismissed
7:01 Even though its not announced, the core gameplay seems like AIDS. Its like as a little kid in art class when you try to mix a bunch of colors together to make a rainbow color or smth and end up getting a muddy brown or gray. Also valve saw people wanted games... So instead of looking at all of the games that are still loved and played years after their release, they looked at the companies that were doing good 5 years ago but are now drowning because they made terrible design choices that were not sustainable and went "damn... Looks like we gotta get on their level!" Im genuinley convinced that valve got all of the good people still left at the company and have them locked in a closet somewhere being forced to work on bug patches for half life 1 and 2 for bugs that require you to go through a 15 step program on a PC using a cursed totem of the sun god as its CPU to actually do.
TF2
Step 1: Make a PvP shooter.
Step 2: Have no real anti-cheat.
Step 3: Get a rampant cheating problem.
CS2
Step 1: Make a PvP shooter.
Step 2: Have no real anti-cheat.
Step 3: Get a rampant cheating problem.
Deadlock
Step 1: Make a PvP shooter.
Step 2: Have no real anti-cheat.
Step 3: ???
Why are they like this
TF2’s so old, it’s more like:
Step 1: Make PvP shooter
Step 2: it becomes one of the best multiplayer games of all time
Step 3: after 10 years, let it rot
Step 4: your anti-cheat gets outdated and game gets infected by cheaters
Step 5: still take people’s money for new microtransactions
Step 6: repeat steps 4 and 5 ad infinitum.
@@Brother_Piner infinite money generator glitch
@@Brother_Piner
step 5.5: add more microtransactions instead of events ro content
...
step 7: community has enough, protests.
step 8: "we are working on it!"
step 9: update the anticheat.
step 10: repeat steps 4 to 5.
and if the #fixtf2 geos the way it is supposed to be going, then :
step 11: community protest stops giving money.
step 12: money lost.
step 13: actually start doing something.
that is of course if they just don't work around it, or ignore it.
Do you prefer kernel level anti-cheat? Because that's the next step they have to go to just to try to get cheaters caught. Kernel level anti-cheat is more intrusive then vac anti-cheat.
@@Gigakoopz Yes i do prefer, no I'm not a schizoid linux user. i prefer a cheaterless game than stealing my non-existant data
Steam rusted the valve. This game is not the oil we need.
Well said
10/10
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Did you make that up or steal it?
The valve is stuck in a deadlock
19:33 pretty rose tinted there. Tf2's crates have been aids for more than a decade now
I was about to disagree with you but then I realised 2015/2016 was nearly 10 years ago
I love TF2 but yeah, the crates are terrible
TF2's crates poisoned the gaming industry in the long run. It's a miracle we managed to bully the major coporations into stopping that practice.
@@pyerack yeah, even cosmetic only nobody should be forced to gamble to get the hat they want. I bought all my hats from the marketplace but them being there means someone bought a lootbox key to get it.
@@pyerack And the fact Valve tried to introduce CS:GO match-making and a loot/quality system into TF2. That was when TF2 died for me.
It feels like every game studio has the same devs and staff.
The utter death of inspiration and vision in the gaming industry needs to be studied.
Market oversaturation and derivative content plays a large role in that. Well, also the fact that most of these games are merely vessels for microtransaction/lootbox/virtual economies. They have it down to a science what kind of shit people are willing to put up with/the bare minimum they have to do to make money. Creativity isn't really the point of these.
the consumerbase is rotten.
millennials entered the work force as game devs. hence the horrible lawbreaker/hyenas/concord character design and purplepinkneon colors.
@@johnsmith-dx2ql Devs arent the problem, they have passion, the execs are at fault.
@@Bread-nx9fo clearly they dont have passion for good character designs
Just a reminder Valve wasted thousands on this garbage while continuing to let their successful titles like Team Fortress 2 wallow away due to neglect..
Millions. Possibly tens
Bro that game is 17 years old let it go.
@@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX You’re 17 yrs old its over just give up on life
@@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxXMinecraft is 14 years old and yet it still gets dev support, regardless of its quality. Valve has no excuse
@@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX it's "updated" 3 times a year with lootboxes. Valve has an official Steam page and hosts official servers for it. They expect you to dump money into it. It's an active, live-service product. Don't strawman with "you're just mad your old game isn't getting major content updates!" That's not the issue. The issue is the game literally cannot be played due to a 5 year and going infestation of cheating bots. I am incapable of booting up and playing the game. That is unacceptable
Gabe gets on stage to announce Deadlock. Says "now doesnt that game sound epic!? Here's the reveal!" They proceed to show a half life 3 trailer.
bro... it won't happen...
God, if only.
Then we wake up and realise it was just a bad dream
Here you go - ARTIFACT VR!
God, I sincerely wish it would happen, but man it sounds so insane and cartoony
Nobody asked: Valve makes Artifact...
Nobody asked: Valve makes Deadlock
People asked: To fix their games that made them big? Naaaah....
Also nobody asked: valve makes TF CS and dota
@@vladislav721just about to say this people need to put some respect on Gabe's name
@@yourlocalfishservent9213respect is earned not given and Gabe is far from earning it from me or anyone else for that matter, no hl3 no point
Yeah who TF asked to make doom a game
Get some logic
@@x_hiberniadude they’re literally making hl3 my man. Hl3 is gonna be like gta6. Full lockdown. No info is going to be allowed to be put out. Valve can’t risk a leak so it’ll be announced a year or two before completion. My theory anyway
"Why are you shitting on my plate?"
"How do you know it's shit? It isn't even out yet!"
this man doesnt even play dota or cs, 2 of valve biggest games. he's just a hater
@@its_radit Just because he doesn't play a couple of their popular games doesn't mean he's a hater. I don't play CS or Dota either, but that's because they aren't games that appeal to me. I'm not a fan of tactical shooters, and, while I've not played one, I've never been a fan of the concept of MOBAs. I still love their other games though, and can appreciate what Valve has done to innovate in the industry.
I'm in the Alpha the game is great.
this is definitely one of the dumbest analogies I've ever heard
@@its_radit Yeah because they're both boring garbage. CS is the most overrated game series in the fucking world.
The bot count on TF2 is disturbing. The constant DDoS attacks L4D2 faces is frustrating. The hacking in CS2 is downright unacceptable. Valve's been complacent for too long, and needs to be called out.
playing left 4 dead 2 (versus) these days feels like hanging out with a bunch of rude strangers, in a minefield, while playing a high stakes poker game where there a no chips or rewards for winning, and only your gamer honor to lose. Also the savetf2/fixtf2 guys are just pitiful, stop crying and start donating to community devs or something.
@@BeerCanBennytheIV I can tell why you have no friends if you can't scrounge up a group to play versus with.
@@BeerCanBennytheIV I never thought someone could describe L4D2 versus so accurately, its always been like this, unless you got friends to play with (pain in the ass to find 8 willing individuals that arent dickheads for a full lobby) its always gonna feel like everyone on that lobby is on edge.
The FixTF2 thing i see is like a last ditch effort to try to convinve Valve to maintain their servers, but there is a huge percent of the playerbase who only play Official servers and never bother with communiry servers even though they're ultimatemy gonna be the thing that will keep TF2 running in the long run, they treat TF2 like its a modern day game and forget that its an old source engine multiplayer game and its a miracle Valve is even bothering with official servers.
@@Source121 Overblown my ass, anything above top 5% percentile is infested with cheaters
You're probably the gold nova projecting, I was global and I have been around 18k in cs2 playing with friends and it is absolutely fucking infested with cheaters, while faceit and similar third party services only have the occasional cheater (and they usually get banned, while by VAC they don't)
And if 18k is infested I cannot imagine how 20k+ is, probably a cheater in nearly every match, it's probably rarer to get a cheat free match than a match with a cheater, they have verifiably absurd inhuman leetify stats very often and they go unbanned for months, if not years.
@@youbaouahdi4358 People always conveniently forget that TF2 is still being actively monetized by VALVe, till this day, you can expect cosmetics being dropped on the game 3 TIMES A YEAR complete with cases, new unusual effects and taunts so you can gamble away all your payday, all of it community made slop that's either not in touch with the games artstyle or down right not working, while at the same time ignoring one of the most blatant hackers we've ever seen in VG history only because they are too lazy to do something that will actually work, any other company would've been burned at the stake for this, but VALVe made Half-Life 25 years ago so they can't do no wrong.
Community servers are going to be the future eventually, but until then VALVe in no point or opportunity has confirmed that they ceased development of TF2, until then we can expect them to at least fix the blatant and most playerbase damaging issues that pop up here and there, no one behind #SAVETF2 is expecting for VALVe to also do the teased Heavy update or rebalance certain weapons to be more useful or fun, we just want for the vanilla game to be playable for many reasons, community servers aren't perfect either and you can't expect every single type of player to just go over to community servers when the browser sucks and looks super ugly, the servers could have changed any number of gameplay values, they could reserved spaces that either won't let you ocupy while joining or you get kicked because someone that donated money to the server patreon wants to join, and the servers withouth this problem tend to attract the kidn of people that have 10K+ hours put into the game that wil stomp you and make your stay on said server miserable, it just makes more sense to fix the official public servers since, again, the issue is so blatant it stoped being funny years ago.
its insane to think that valve is making ANOTHER multiplayer pvp game when their 2 biggest, TF2 and CS2 are BOTH being destroyed by hackers and cheaters and neglect because valve considers anti-cheat to be "treadmill work" that isn't worth doing. How the hell can they expect people to dedicate time and energy to a new multiplayer game when they've shown us that they don't care to actually take care of their multiplayer games on even the most basic level.
it aint even treadmill work lol, community servers with their SMAC and STAC are hard cock-blocking tf2 cheating, restricting even the best cheats to low fov aimbot (barely useful lol), clientside visuals and ESP. can bots really work on those AC? No. Can you code a cheat that lets you use every current feature without getting banned on STAC? No. It's not treadmill work, you dont need to make an anticheat that bans every cheat and every cheater. you need something like STAC that doesnt let you shoot 270 degrees away from your camera, like bots do, doesnt let you fake player angles (anti-aim), like bots do, doesnt let you perform pixel-frame perfect movement, like bots do. let cheaters play the game, they're really not that good and they never were a problem in a game that isnt even about shooting all that much, its move about movement and teamwork than anything
@@vaseslavy8516 Would the anti-cheats that community servers use work well if all the cheaters were trying to crack it 24/7?
you mean fps games not pvp. dota 2 is much bigger now than tf2 ever was.
Also dealing with cheaters is always going to be treadmill work. Unless you have a anticheat that cannot be beat.
@@Fighter_Blue there is no such thing possible as an unbeatable anticheat
As someone who's played in the closed beta for this game, Tyler's comment about it being like basically every other Valve game combined is grossly incorrect. The game that Deadlock is closest to being is like Smite from Hi-rez but you have freedom to aim in all directions. Deadlock has no elements from TF2 or CS. It's just a 3rd person over the shoulder MOBA.
literally is.
bah Tyler is annoying and makes constant click baity videos, and even Valve hates him for other reasons.
@@someguy4512Don't get me even startarted on that guy i hate him so mutch.
Tyler is a bad source honestly. He made a bunch of fuss and clickbait saying "VALVE IS SUING FANS!!!" when in reality it was people straight stealing tf2 source code and another group getting told by valve to not piss off Nintendo. Then refused to edit the video,
@@total_epicness6776 his a leach.
It’s deeply depressing that a company who made their name through doing brilliant things no one ever thought of (“let’s release a toss-off pack-in puzzle game that’s secretly a grand satirical epic” or “what if game, but also *physics*) is just chasing trends now without trying to understand what people like about those trends.
It’d be a little like the Disney parks just deciding to do whatever Six Flags is doing, but the only actual innovation is that you get to ride a coaster while eating bad food next to a guy in a Bugs Bunny costume *all at once.*
CS:GO: Infested with Hackers
* Ignored *
CS2: Infested with Bots
* Ignored *
TF2: Infested Hackers and Bots
* Ignored *
Deadlock: (Your Answer Here)
Protoman: cool as usual
L4D2: being practically unplayable due to DDOS attacks against official servers
Lootbox sales down 1% : REAL SHIT
Half life 3
:ignored:
@@karmawin7970not even l4D2 is spared
Most of the original devs don't work at Valve anymore which is why modern Valve is so out-of-touch with their player base.
@@tehjamerz I KNOW, some of the employees at Valve tried to force the old heads to make a PR response during the Black Lives Matter movement. WHY?! VALVE IS A VIDEO GAME COMPANY, WHO CARES WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY! Gabe understands this and so he gave his employees $100k each to donate to whatever charity they wanted. He had to give them hush money, this company is fucked!
@@RambunctiousRaccon he should just sell to Microsoft so we can all give up hope
@@RambunctiousRaccon I never got the idea of big companies trying to make a statement about any political affairs. Most of the time it's so horribly executed and makes them look out of touch.
I thought Valve was better than this, but you could say that for anything they've done for the past few years.
@@tehjamerz I've heard that Valve employees are jealous that the TF2/CS2 community does a better job at creating and maintaining Valve's games than Valve. I'm starting to think that's true because there's no excuse for these issues to remind for so long. Unless modern Valve wants to do away with the other games and replace it with this Dota Dota Overwatch slop no one enjoys.
@@RambunctiousRaccon How many of the devs that made TF2 will work at valve? If it is close to none then i can see why valve does not want to work on it.
Valve went from creating a new genre post-DOOM/QUAKE, to ripping of genres that were *already* ripped off of the games *they made* that started these genres in the first place.
From trend setter to trend follower.
*Pathetic.*
🤮
Valve games:
TF2: Neglect
CS2:Neglect
Half-life:don't care
Potral:forgoten
Dota:only one they didn't forget
Day of defeat:Lost to history
Left 4 dead: forgoten
Alien Swarm:exists
Ricochet: 🗿
day of defeat is cool
Deadlock will be neglected too.
l4d is getting updates tho...
@@2Syndras1Cup what kind of updates? And why tf can't they do it with tf2 instead of just adding the yearly summer, Halloween and Christmas cases?
Valve is in the cars 2 era
No, they're in the current pixar era
cars 2 was at least cool in theory. this is more like planes era.
Kachowski
lol they would never go full cars 3 for brand reasons.
Cars 2 doesn't deserve this slander 😭😭
The most baffling thing is, Valve is a private company who runs the largest games platform on PC with a massive revenue stream. They don't HAVE to do this, they don't HAVE to pump out cash grab trend following games, they have an effective blank check to make literally whatever they want and not even care about the sunk cost. They can literally make anything but they've become stale and creatively bankrupt
The inverse truth of it is that they don't HAVE to make games period, so of course a company that has effectively abandoned game making as their primary output is going to lose the talented people that actually want to make video games, the talent that made the Valve name what it is today.
@@Rusty_Spy Imagine if VALVe starts hiring people again and it's all TF2 players.
Thats why I dont think this game will see the light of day. Beta testing the hell of the game is pretty normal practicd at valve. That doesnt mean that this wont be scrapped.
yeah! unlike a publicly traded company that has to maximise shareholder profit, Valve is allowed to do literally anything they want to do as long as they don't go bankrupt, which is guaranteed to basically never happen given the amount of money they make from Steam. furthermore, a controlling share of the company is owned by Gabe Newell - ie. the man who was in charge of the company when it was a small studio making the original Half Life. I don't understand why an artist, who has uncontested control of a private company, which already has a massive and stable stream of revenue, wouldn't be more interested in using those resources to create things people enjoy
@@Rusty_SpyThe solution? Start buying on GOG only or even Epic
"Let's mix a 60's themed dress up game with a fighting minigame, a tactical shooter which is the grandfather of its genre, a hero shooter with abilities, a fantasy top-down MOBA, and some other shit with no anticheat whatsoever, and see how well it'll do."
That's not what this game is. Idk why everyone is acting like VNN of all people has accurate information on the topic.
@@Scroolewse What is the game like then? You seem to know more then the rest of us if you know he is wrong
@@hellwire4582 so what you're saying... is that no one knows anything. Maybe we should consider acting like it then. Instead of farting out hot air.
If it is shit it is shit if it aint it aint. Until then just go do something else.
@@M1ndblast Dude smoke less crack and wirte comments that relate to what was written instead of randomly typing something based upon one word. Maybe you are just a bot and writing comments nowadays is just a massive waste of time. Actually no a bot would write an answer that somewhat makes sense so you must be a human.
@@hellwire4582There is a closed beta with 9000+ players. The game is not like that. It is quite fun tho. You all need to stop whining that valve isn't making YOUR next favorite game. Let someone else do that. I for one don't NEED the most innovative game of all time, which is a weird expectation many ppl seem to have to have. I just need the game to be fun and have a soul. This game is fun already and on track for the latter lol.
Remember that there were multiple TF2s before they released TF2. There is like a 90% chance that whatever this is would have quietly ended up in the dumpster and a new attempt started up without us ever knowing if not for leaks.
It's baffling to me that Valve can't figure out how to make anti-cheat to save their lives, yet are making another multiplayer online shooter that is supposed to be played in esports.
CSGO and TF2 are pretty much unplayable in pubs due to cheaters. Can't wait to see the bot swarms that will infect Deadlock lol
From the looks of it, Valve doesn't want to make intrusive anti-cheat
They have been developing AI based VAC and it seems to be working on CS2
The main reason Valve games have become notorious for cheating is because Valve is trying to be non-invasive with their products. Steam does not force a strong DRM on you (except when publishers do), and similarly CS and TF2 don't come with invasive anti-cheat, and most of their games are on Linux etc. The only deterrent to cheating problem IMHO is slapping a 70$ price tag on multiplayer games with perma-ban and active moderation going on ban sprees. It might sound like I'm defending Valve here, but this is entirely a problem they cooked for themselves by inventing the F2P model. TLDR online gaming is fucked
@@r.g.thesecond Another thing is, cheating is getting more advanced as time goes
Back then, it's just a simple cheat engine script
Fast forward now, cheats now runs at kernel level, and gaming companies retaliate by making kernel level AC
In the future?
Hardware based cheat I bet, and how are they gaming companies gonna counter that?
To be fair no games have no effective anti cheat. Its basically over devs will never keep up.
@@amspook Or you just send display input to a AI then have fake mouse driver deliver auto aim.
Never thought I’d see Battleborn get a sequel and that Valve got the rights to make it
I was thinking the whole time while watching this, "this is just Battleborn"
It’s funny when he cuts back to him typing, it shows more stickers and stuff on his desk relating to what he said
Yup
How a grown man manages to jerk off his own ego and infantilize developers at the top of their industry this easily over a secondhand description of a game he hasn't played, with zero clue how game development or design works, is baffling to me
It won't take long before cheaters infest deadlock. Idk why you guys are so optimistic about the game.
“I came in at the end.
The best is over.” - Tony Soprano
just when i thought i was out.... they pull me back in.... to this....
how much more betrayal can the TF2 community take??
@@tadeojablonski105Valve was seen developing a 5v5 hero shoota…
You’re leaving out the best part.
They put quirky overwatch style characters in it
@@tadeojablonski105it feels like i been stabbed in the haath
-Paulie “Walnuts” Gialtieri
Valve unfortunately got the "Too comfy to do their job" disease, just like Rockstar
What? Rockstar released arguably the largest game ever only a few years ago with Red Dead 2 and they currently have a full team working on what's looking to be most ambitious game ever with GTA 6. They're a studio that actually keep pushing the boundaries of what's possible in video games, something Valve hasn't attempted in years bar Alyx.
@@oldyearstillme I agree, due to the state of triple a games. I'd rather wait longer.
rockstar is taking longer than usual because they used to crunch their employees
@@oldyearstillme Lmao, they abandoned Red Dead Online. The RDO community did the same exact thing as the TF2 community did and Rockstar still didn't care. TF2 is going down the same path.
thats not true at all, rockstar just makes games that are absolutely colossal
Valve is basically spoony if he was a gaming company
oooooof that hurts
Spoony, now that's a name I haven't heard in a while
@@biodtox what's it about, if I may ask?
“Gee, it’s almost like the biggest companies make the worst crap.”
-A lot of people for a very good reason
Valve’s legacy is being absolutely destroyed by morons. We are like Chell and potatoized GLaDOS in the bowels of Aperture while the fools have the run of the place… Unfortunate that Gaben is too busy sleeping on his money mattress to establish any order. Actually, he’s more like pre-recorded Cave Johnson at this point. The CEO of soundbytes and memes.
A game made for everyone is a game for no one.
same for youtube channels, being bland doesn't make things popular, it has to pop, to have cool colors and ideas, and to be consistent
While that's true, I feel like a shooter mixed with DOTA elements is pretty far from made for everyone. It surely doesn't sound appealing to me lol
Yeah, mixing genres is always a terrible idea! For example, RPGs and literally any fun active combat mechanics CANNOT MIX
@@hahasamian8010 Actually, they can, A LOT, that's like, the whole basis of the western rpg genre
@@minestar2247 That's the point. I'm being sarcastic. Some of the best games out there are combinations of genres but this video acts like that indicates no real vision.
The little overly excited dragon creature in artefact is the least valve thing ive ever seen. They keep talking about wanting to be blizzard.
Valve had rivalry with Blizzard and Epic Games on multiple layers.
Dota 2 vs DotA/HotS
TF2 vs Overwatch
Half Life vs Unreal
Steam vs Epic Games Store
Each of the three influenced eachother greatly.
There's also id's influence because Gabe worked on porting Doom to Windows. Later Half Life also fought with Quake 2/3.
Also what's important is an idea of "Ship of Theseus". These companies are no longer what they used to be despite calling themselves the same name.
It's a tax writeoff. It'll take a shit and they'll be able to use the loss.
Mixing overwatch and dota alone is like mixing monster energy and guiness
The Gonster
Why can't valve understand this after seeing the disaster of overwatch 2?
Except the Gonster is actually not that bad
@@patryk8368 it's gonna get infested with bots just like valves other games.
More like mixing trash with garbage 💀
Wouldn’t be surprised if Deadlock has hackers Week 1. Since VAC is such a joke.
actually there's some rumors that the closed beta already has cheaters.
@@idkwhattotype511it was confirmed
@@idkwhattotype511Please say sike.
@@hapyjoy82 nah I'm being dead serious.
Going to be honest, I’ve never seen a time where VAC actually did it’s job right.
"So many more exciting products" _shows Valorant clip_
Isn't this the same Downward Diary that has a video from ~1 year ago called "I don't enjoy playing video games anymore"?
It's sad that Valve is following trends instead of setting them.
i aint exactly an expert but deadlock look way better then overcrap will ever be even gameplay wise
@@speemus6223 that doesn't mean much
@@speemus6223 Does it really or are you just following the bandwagon of shitting on Overwatch over-zealously. I dont even like Overwatch i dont play it and dont like it but i dont see how people are saying this game looks better
@@jebreggie4225 Considering the fact that Deadlock is fundamentaly a moba and not a "hero shooter", I'd say he's somewhat right.
@@jebreggie4225 im not jumping on any bandwagon, i didnt even know people hate overwatch zealously, thought its only LoL and valorant
The thing about Valve was that they released a game only when they had a technological break through as a foundational reason to. Half Life 1 was about the transition to fully 3D environments, Half Life 2 was about the debut of in-game physics simulations, Half Lify Alyx was an attempt to explore VR gaming. The problem is that they became so profitable as a games distributor that I think it took focus away from pushing technological game advancements and then because of the massive release cycle, people quit or retired and eventually all those people deeply passionate about games got cycled out for people who were more geared towards game distribution and with that Value lost the ability to make the iconic games they used too.
Transition to fully 3D environment was done in Quake though, 2 years before Half-Life.
thats why that part of technological breakthough are now geared towards their hardware division. their lack of hierarchy except for gabens final word and its hands-free approach to development where one dev could spend its time at Valve only working on prototypes that will never be released its also a problem that doomed released games unless two or more devs are interested on maintaing or fixing a game (like it happened with HL1 25th anniversary update).
Not exactly. Like, you're correct with those specific examples, but sometimes it was more about a good game design concept as much as it was about tech. Like, Left 4 Dead WAS about the "Director AI" or whatever, automatically tuning and subtlely altering a map's enemy and item distribution to better tune the experience, but it was ALSO just about creating an interesting game design dynamic of a cooperative episodic *narratively focused* online shooter, which hadn't really been done before.
Portal was about the portal tech, which had been done before, but not so flexibly (in Prey specifically), but it was ALSO about telling a funny story and trying to make an FPS without it being about the "S" so much, since you weren't shooting all your problems away (or at least not directly).
These were games where the tech shift was minor, but the game design shift was actually much more novel and interesting. So Valve needed to have at least SOME kind of "big new idea" at the core of the game for them to find it interesting enough to make, but it wasn't *necessarily* just a tech based idea.
People forget valve only makes tech demos
@@fantastikboom1094 Half lifes break through was in the innovative approach to story telling, where most other games where just gimmicky arena shooters with barely any story.
Rants about valves new title that is still in development
hasn't played the beta
bases nearly all opinions on 4 screenshots and a couple clips of someone playing the tutorial with no other players
mentions only valves failures the past few years
likely intentionally doesn't mention half-life: alyx
likely intentionally doesn't mention aperture desk job
doesn't mention how much longer they already supported tf2 than any other AAA dev
mentions Erik wolpaw leaving (he's been back at valve since hla) conveniently barely hiding the text that says he returned at 20:53
same exact thing for jay pinkerton
many such cases.
I agree. Though I personally still cannot say that Valve have been good as a company for the past decade. Because they mostly either made pretty good games for the hardware that is only available for rich people (both VR and Steam Deck), or they simply focused on profit from Steam and microtransactions in multiplayer games. Like, the only games that most people can afford are CS2, Dota 2, TF2 (now its hardly playable because of the bots), and the singleplayer games that were released in 1998-2011!
It would be great if they would also make some more singleplayer games for PC and/or consoles. But for now it doesn't seem like an options in the near future.
Yeah this video sucks. I don't get the point of making a video of just being "hey here's what this guy said and I'm angry"
Like I get it, I wanna get on the hate valve bandwagon too but like... this ain't it.
I have a problem with your TF2 point, Valve absolutely deserves all the condemnation they’ve gotten over their terrible handling of a bot crisis in a game that they still pump new paid content into even though they are unwilling to properly maintain their own servers.
Also WoW has been supported by Blizzard for longer so that point about Valve supporting TF2 longer than any other AAA game is incorrect, other games will also soon surpass or have already surpassed TF2 in how long they’ve been fully supported by their devs (remember TF2 had significant Valve development from around 2007-2017) games like World of Tanks and even Fortnite are getting close to or have already surpassed TF2’s active development so Valve deserves no praise there
@@thepulle4722 Yeah, It's amazing people bring up how long Valve supported TR2 when WOW exists?
"Half Life Alyx and Aperture Desk Job" A game most people didn't play either because they couldn't afford to, or didn't want buy a vr headset for 1 game, and a 5 minute tech demo. Also why shouldn't Valve maintain TF2 AND CSGO when they still make money off them?
"Nothing exciting for the past decade"
Someone is living under a rock.
> index
>steam deck
>Alyx
>CS2
>linux, proton support
At least stay somewhat fair, jeez
The first example is a VR headset that not many can afford, the second seems ok, the third requires VR, the fourth example is cs2 is merely a graphical update and lastly, a vast majority of steam users use windows and idk what proton is. You have too much optimism regarding valve.
Ok, let’s see
>not a game, costs more than most can afford
>not a game, costs more than most can afford
>glorified tech demo
>soon to be abandoned graphical update of Csgo
>something that should have been done 10 years ago
Valve are lazy as fuck and are desperate to target the zoomer dopamine addict market.
It's so nasty to see how they treat tf2 so they can focus on making trash
And also neglecting games like CS2 with rampant cheater problems and L4D2 with the DDoS attacks
@@iriswav7379That why I only play single player in left 4 dead 2
@@Erorblck same, hopefully Valve gets their shit together
Fix needs to fix/keep updating the games that literally got them where they are, if they weren't so devoid of seeing what the people want then we would have like 5 new games by now
Yeah, our FixTF2 campaign is honestly a little too focused. I think what we’re looking at is a FixValve issue.
Seeing Valve and Bungie rot into zombified shells of their former selves in real time is very depressing
how good was valve if having two of their decade+ old games in the top 2 of steam's most played is being "zombified shells of their former selves"?
I wouldn't put Valve and Bungie into the same category lmao.
Valve is doing fine for themselves, even if they make games that you might not enjoy. Bungie, on the other hand...
Yeah, the company that makes more money than facebook is a zombie, suuuuure
Not even zombified shells man, they died, rotted away, got dug back up and were revived in a SATANIC RITUAL.
@@elfascisto6549 are you confusing making money with making good games?
hearing emplemon complain always makes me feel good inside
I see a lot of people dismiss Half-Life Alyx because it's a VR game saying things like "it doesn't count as a Half Life game", but having actually played the game it makes the current situation Valve is in so much worse because even if it's not the best Half Life game, they CLEARLY still have the ability to make excellent games. They CLEARLY still care about the worlds they've created, they just don't want to work on them, and it hurts to watch.
half life alyx fucked the storyline and also has extremely safe gameplay. made 16 years after hl2 and the combine soldiers STILL SUCK, very impressive
they were just in the middle of developing a vr game and just so happens to realized that they can slap the half life IP onto it for a safe bet. Half-Life Alyx is one of the games alright.
This weird hatred for VR is just absolutely baffling to me. Like you said, people outright dismiss Half Life Alyx "because its VR".
Used to think
“I’m glad part of my money goes to Valve when i buy anything on steam”
Now that same idea disgusts me
Ehh Id rather it go to them than pretty much any of the other big gaming companies. While when it comes to making games valve has rly dropped off by letting their older titles pretty much rot. But on the other hand the people at valve working on steam deck and linux i think are doing outstanding work without them i wouldn’t be able to play like 90% of the gamess i play and allows me to pretty much ditch windows and not deal with all of Microsofts BS
I stopped buying games through steam years ago. you can 90% of the time get them cheaper elsewhere, and your money doesnt go to this rotting, dead company that doesnt care about you or the games they abandoned.
At least it isn't Ubisoft or EA
it's not just a small part of the money
it starts at 30%, then once a game makes TEN MILLION it goes down a whole 5% to 25%
@@selectionnWho? Epic? Microsoft? hahahahhaha
As someone said - Valve has corporate ADHD.
They are unable to keep taking care of their games for the long run (like TF2). They constantly make projects that they won't finish (infamously: Episode 3)
And obviously the one garbage project that requires the least attention from them - Deadlock, is the one they're focusing on.
episode 3 AND half life 3 too, how many times have they tried it
@@me67galaxylife there have been like 30 attempts at making HL(E)3
The issue is, they have a work ethic that lets employees work on something else if they want to
@@bow-89 you sure? if that was the case deadlock would be understaffed
@@minestar2247 It's why personally I think that deadlock at the very least has people who want to work on it there, and that at it's core it will probably be pretty good for what it is. Unfortunately, it's going to die because of a lack of support.
@@bow-89 No, the problem is that the "higher-ups" (veterans) don't want you to work on something that they're not interested in. As such, if you don't want your pay to get cut, or get fired altogether, towards the end of the year when it's time to get rated, everyone leaves "unimportant projects"
Bruh, you spent a ton of time making this video, in order to make me sit there for 20 minutes listening to you ranting "nah, bro I don't like the idea. I just hate the lanes and dota and nah i dont like it" with no facts or data, no gameplay mechanics or gameplay videos
Imagine not uderstanding that when beta testers say "it's like a mix of these games" they don't litterary mean the devs slamed these games together and called it a day.
When a beta tester says something like that , it means that they can see inspiration taken from these games.
Like: Who said that the game being compered to CS means it's gritty and realistic? It might be just refering to the feel of the guns.
Was feeling this way halfway through -- thanks guy for saving me 10 minutes.
VALVe went through: You die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain
it truly baffles me that a company that literally has no shareholder pressure, and is possibly set for super life is trend chasing just like the rest of 'm.
Nice pfp :)
@@Faygo2215 ah, uh thanks! I'd, i'd actually be REALLY surprised if you knew where it's from but... I appreciate it!
@@brogoyle nah I don’t know where it’s from but it does look cool tho
@@Faygo2215 ah thanks, it’s from Collective Unconscious! Which is an online multiplayer fangame of Yume Nikki! Super duper niche stuff, they’re all nothing but pixelated walking sims that take place in dreams connected via nonsensical means, but they’re like the ultimate format for putting cool pixel art in games!
It’s definitely NOT everyone’s cup of tea, but i like it at least lol
They were hoping this game would replace TF2. They want to just scrap TF2
Noting can replace TF2. But Valve is really trying to sweep it under the rug but always comes back.
That's what I thought too😢
lmao what does that even mean? Replacement in what way? They dont give a single crap about tf2 and after playing deadlock its very obvious that this game has absolutely nothing to do with it. Though tf2 is influential, insufferable tf2 fans overstate that and think that its on everyones minds 24/7, but its really not..
This game has very little to do with TF2... This comment is a circlejerk within a video that is a circlejerk ("I watched 1 video..."). Deadlock is a moba.
@@stormer7502 yeah
Valve the private company without shareholders to please and an infinite money printer called Steam, that can maintain their games to the highest standards and who could release pieces of art, still somehow manages to do the exact opposite of what they could do.
I dont know what made you think most people think hero shooters are a joke, apex, valorant, siege, and overwatch are all hero shooters. They are also easily all top 8 fps in the US right now
because all of those games you listed get clowned on so much, thats why. even if they are super popular they all are known for having questionable types of people in their playerbases.
who? Also, top 8? Blizzard hid the player count for a reason, and when they landed on steam the OW fanbase is so tiny that it got dunked on immediately lol
@@wilburdemitel8468 most pc overwatch players still use battlenet probably around 20-30% are on steam from my own experience
@@wilburdemitel8468 Most players still use battlenet, probably around 20-30% going off how many steam users I see when I play
Minecraft, Roblox, and Pokemon are the biggest games who make the most revenue.
Valve now announcing Artifact 2!
No no no. Ricochet 2 VR.
@@theforgeryttv6449 Would honestly play that.
The situation is even worse. The entire "Deadlock" IP was almost last minute, as just a month or 2 ago, it was originally "Neon Prime" and was set to be a "cassette-future" sorta aesthetic.
Not to mention the lead dev IceFrog, the main dev for Dota 2, seemingly left the project as he's been working on Dota 2 this whole time.
This game is set to either be the most hilarious failure of all time, or a miracle child for Valve.
To be fair, I've seen one or two older leaked screenshots (released in the recent wave) and it looks just as bad.
Valve employes can chose there what to work on, the are not put on a game they chose to work on it. So Iceforg working on Deadlock, got an idea for Dota and went to work on that game. Sometimes they just stop working on a game.
Maybe they'll never launch... Probably... They have zero reasons to.
uhhh no it was definitely not cassette futurism, idk abt citadel maybe that looked cool but neon prime’s art direction looked like complete a55, overwatch but 1000x more soulless, so glad they changed it. Still looks kinda mid sadly.
@@pufflepersonwhere?
I feel like this video is cherry picked. While I'm also disgruntled with Valve's adandonment with their titles we can't just brush off how much Valve has contributed in the VR space for the past 10 years. Half Life Alyx was a ground breaking title and their VR Headsets are top notch in the industry. I wouldn't call Valve incompetent it's just a matter of their priorities are somewhere else. And considering how Valve operates in terms of re-acculating resources and development it makes sense.
They are taking their priority at VR development and hardware in general.
1) Genre mashing is an incredible way to make innovative games! You are trashing on it with no explanation! I'm baffled by the comparison with food because it doesn't apply to games AT ALL.
2) You keep saying Valve "haphazardly" mashed all these games together, but how exactly do you know Valve did it hapahazardly? Valve hasn't released a single game haphazardly (kinda maybe CS2, but that's like 1 out of 16)
3) From what I've seen, Deadlock isn't just another hero shooter. It seems to be leaning into the Moba elements far more than anyone has ever done. It is more comparable to Smite than anything else (least to CS).
4) Hero shooters aren't dead. See Valorant.
5) Did you actually do a poll on the venn diagram of moba and hero shooter players. I think the intersection is bigger than people think. Also, Deadlock wouldn't be catering to the intersection, but the union of the circles. Or at least the intersection + the hero shooter players because on face value it still is a hero shooter.
You just dont seem to like Mobas and are superficially offputted by genre mashing and are preemptively calling the game "garbage", and I didn't hear a single good argument as to why.
Valve just forgot that what makes their games unique is the fact that they are simple to understand, simple to play and to watch. Creating a new thing because some new genres are poppin up is not the right thing to do.
Im sorry but neither hero shooters or moba's are pooping off
Valve has gone from setting trends to following them religiously
Dota is not really simple to play or watch
Bro has never played dota
@@aregulargenericname8794 minor spelling mistakes
i win
The lanes of dota the toxic community of cs and dota the flashy over the top effects of overwatch and the bot problem of tf2 all mixed together in one game sounds like hell.
They regret neglecting there other games once this dumpster fire starts.
And then VALVe goes full Thanos and says: "finally, i have them all"
If the rumors are true, then Deadlock seems like the Infinity Gauntlet of "Awful video game aspects"
@@davisdf3064 at least it's gonna be a big case study for bad game design
@@davisdf3064 Lets think of it this way, they could have better maintened there ips or used a few moba style class roles in a otherwise tf2 esc game but instead they made this, Valve lost there way and this game is the final proof to remove all doubt.
@@minestar2247 A case study of how not to add moba inspired mechnics to shooter games, well there is right way to that grafting togather conflicting elements isn't it.
Everyone keeps going on about #FixTF2 hoping for Valve to give them an answer or anything. Valve has already given their answer, its Deadlock.
They have no intention of fixing TF2.
I kinda see a world where when Deadlock fails and all the Deadlock devs are really in hero shooter mood and start getting the urge to remake TF in Source 2.
Just a dream of mine.
Not familiar with TF2, but what problems has it developed?
And could it be time to make a TF3?
considering nobody at Valve held back on releasing Arifact,
I would not be surprised if they released this stinker as well
The way I described Deadlock in a conversation is that it's a Hero Shooter trend chaser by the company that invented the genre. It's absolutely delusional to create a new IP based on a genre that you invented instead of using the IP you already have.
It kinda reminds me of the 343i-era Halo titles. Halo basically invented the modern console FPS, standardizing many things now taken for granted (2 weapon limits, regenerating health, grenades/melee being a "hotkey" rather than a separate weapon you need to swap to, aim assist/magnetism, etc.), to a generic trend-chaser trying to do whatever's popular at the time. (Halo 4 tried to copy COD which was at it's peak at the time, Halo 5 tried to copy Titanfall which was at it's peak at the time, Halo: Infinite tried to copy the generic Ubisoft open-world slop which was at it's peak at the time, etc.)
Halo at least has the excuse of the rights being given to a new company that was, by their own admission and in their own words, consisting of "people who hated Halo".
valve the company that has been praised for its originality and constant new IPs for decades is now being bashed for not just reusing the same old IP's and doing nothing new?
would you rather valve made a cashgrab with an old IP because they know it would get lots of money instantly just because its a beloved IP like every other game developer does??
"It's absolutely delusional to create a new IP"
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@@FantasmaNaranja "old thing good, new thing bad #fixoldthing"
@@elfascisto6549 never new thing me hate new thing
Emp’s saga of despising everything he once loved continues!
Really, I think it's down to "what are the long term prospects for this game?" The biggest killer of DeadSLOP is not that it has no audience, but that it's run by nu-Valve who has proven for the past decade that they can't manage the live service games they have, and actively work to undermine what made them great. Even Robin Walker refuses to do anything to save the franchise he created. They're nothing but trend chasers and a handful of the lazy old visionaries, who keep releasing unfinished games into a saturated market years after the trends peaked. The character designs don't even match because they re-did the game's artstyle three times! Even then, a cool setting alone won't save the product from Valve's negligence or the cheaters who follow them.
Does anyone remember Super Monday Night Combat ?
Oh god I’m getting old.
It only took 5 years for people to realize that Valve are no longer the “good guys” of gaming.
The thing is that despite Valve doing a lot of wrong, they are still the best compared to the likes of Epic, Ubisoft, and EA.
@@NoahWanger theyre lazy piles of shit dont worship any company for barely doing the bare minimum
@@NoahWanger "That's like saying the shit I took last night was better than the shit I took today." - AVGN
@@Spanishdog17 I will take the lesser of the two evils, thank you.
@@Spanishdog17 No Gaming AAA company is good, not even Nintendo nor CD Projeckt Red
Dont worry guys its a closed alpha!!! (Its actually a late beta)
(Its actually more or less ready to be launched, but its being delayed for investor call purposes)
Edit: Holy absolute fuck the Redditards are at my throat over this. I made a joke. Take the fart neutralizer out your ass and laugh for once, jeez. You guys are the reason why TF2 got abandoned.
@@_Devil valve is a privately owned company thus does not have to answer to investors
Valve has so much money that it went to their heads
@@_Devil where the fuck did you get this idea from lol
@@swagmaster9eleven people just be making shit up
Deadlock is Dota with the RTS mechanics replaced with shooter mechanics, it's that simple. All the Dota mechanics that were not inherited from RTS are there, it's just the perspective and the way you move and attack enemies that's third person shooter-based. Not saying it's going to be good, but anyone who tells you it's a nonsensical mashup of overwatch/tf2/counterstrike is an idiot because it plays absolutely nothing like any if those games. It's Dota + TPS.
From the artstyle alone it just looks so soulless. It looks like tf2-esque vague art style but colorless and soulless, its actually really sad to see. Valve sitting on an entire pile of historical classics releasing just another class based team based multiplayer shooter is just absolute soul death. I know it sounds delusional but the entire purpose of this is to do real measurable damage to your mind and soul, to see the last people who ever made good art in a medium make another piece of slop, please don't bother caring about it.
It plays really well though, the game is super fun. Only a soulless automaton would hate on something before trying it just because a CZcamsr told them to.
I was feeling down, and then I saw a new downward diary was posted and the downward spiral sucked me in. Now I'm still heading downwards, but I'm upside down now.
I'm in a fickle spot with Deadlock.
On one hand, when Valve actually finishes a product, it is clearly something they are passionate about enough to cross the finish line. Due to their unconventional structure, they only give attention to something they are internally enjoying. So I'm happy to see anything they do, and what breakthroughs they felt they uncovered to warrant a release. Even if it isn't for me, I want to see the effort.
On the other hand, the precedent they have set on their own games alone is horrific. As many have seen, Team Fortress 2 is absolutely suffering while still receiving community content and official server support. That should fall under false advertising in my opinion to willingly keep up a broken product with everyone making it public how broken it is. Counter-Strike 2 had its own well documented cheater wave which I think is being tackled, but I don't know everything. So it's clear the PvP market is suffering enough from cheaters alone, so that ends any hype I would have for Deadlock. And Valve makes it clear that they don't have any remorse for abandoning their games, let alone simply communicating that they want to abandon something. I'd feel so much closure if they just said they were done with TF2 and dropped it, instead of keeping it up to be exploited, but that's just me.
As Emp discussed, I don't think I'm the target audience for whatever Deadlock is going for, it sounds alien to me. I am not sure who the target audience actually is. Though I am excited to see the reception, positive or negative, moreso than the actual game. I want to see how the room reads it, but I don't think I'll support it. I wish their priorities were elsewhere.
I wish them the best, but I'll only tune in from afar.
"when Valve actually finishes a product" I'm gonna have to stop you right there. I'm Joking.
But doesn't it seem like Valve fears closing out the stories they create?
I don't expect Deadlock to have a huge marketing campaign like Valve's major titles of the past. Valve making forgettable projects isn't really anything new. It all starts with Ricochet, then Day of Defeat, Alien Swarm (actually a banger, deserves a sequel), VR stuff, and of course Artifact. I'd even add Dota 2 despite it's popularity, since it's so far off from what they're known for.
I see this more as Icefrog's game than Valve's, and I think they do too. So when they go about revealing and advertising this game, they should probably avoid trying to hype it up and release it low-key. Like Alien Swarm, it could basically say "we developed this game to test out our new hires capabilities" in the first line of the description.
@@DukeOfGumby there is Alien Swarm Redactive Drop from what i remember and it even has workshop suport too
Based off of the precedent Valve has set, TF2 will receive whatever CS2 receives after an extended period of time, as long as the playerbase exists. For example, V-Script and 64bit support was recently (in TF2 terms) added. Perhaps CS2's AI-powered anti cheat that they're working on will bleed into TF2, and that's why they haven't addressed it. But to let the game rot with zero word on the future of the game isn't right, even if the game WAS playable on official servers.
Deadlock had impromptu design change.
It's nowhere near finished and it'll be a slow disaster
I love how people always mention artifact as one of valve' biggest recent failures but their auto chess game bombed so hard that nobody even remembers it enough to mention it LMAO
Wait, didn't you know that putting 5 mediocre things together makes a masterpiece?
Bro is hating on the burger-taco-sushi-pizza SO HARD and he obviously hasnt even tried it. That's ok,... more for me. _wipes chunky vomit from moustache_
I'm sorry but this is a baffling comment and doesn't really disprove any argument.
@@ruzgar1372 it's a joke
@@ruzgar1372more like barfling
@@ruzgar1372 Zoomers be like "WHAT IS THIS MEANT TO CONVEY??? I DOn"T DGETTT ITTT...BUHHH???GUHHHH?" to the most obvious posts ever.
@@InvadeNormandychumming
b-b-but tyler mcchicken said it was going to be good!!
How fucking weak do you have to be, that you spout whatever person you agree with without fucking trying it or looking at it yourself.
Tyler said Tf2 will be fixed in two weeks.
This video is why companies don't show alpha footage.
and just let it get leaked cuz they just let testers do that?
that’s true
Im actually one of the closed alpha playtesters and if you played dota 2 before, this game is perfect, i loved it, some issues but its a good game
hate it then
The cherry on top btw is that early concepts had this in the half-life universe so I could have at least been aesthetically appealing
I NEED MY GAMES TO LOOK LIKE DIRT FOR THEM TO BE AESTHETICIALLY PLEASING
@@augustinehuizing6683 And do you need shit hot takes to stand out ?
@@augustinehuizing6683 Well at least just Half-Life. It's dirty but it has an air of cartooniness to it. It tried to be as grounded and realistic as it could be on the tech available and that produced an ugly but extremely lovable and memorable style. It doesn't look like TLoU or CoD, it despite mainly aiming for realism is recognizable as Half-Life and not just Realistic. It's like Breaking Bad. Despite being grungy and realistic and shot in a very similar way to a lot of other gritty TV Drama's, not only does Breaking Bad have some admittedly goofy moments you don't immediately notice because of how well the story gets you engaged, but also iconic visual motifs like the New Mexico filter. Unrealistic isn't always stylish and realistic isn't always styleless. Half-Life's style isn't just "Realistic", it's Dirty and Grimy on each individual piece in a shot but clean and readable as a whole, grounding but engaging, like it's a movie and runs on movie logic as well as game logic. Counter-Strike shares ancestry with the Half-Life series and so a Half-Life dedicated PVP Game rather than just a Deathmatch mode would probably look similar but with Half-Life's unique stylings, mainly in the clothing, weapons, and the unique apocalyptic urban environments you could fight in, or the sprawling rural areas as shown in Half-Life 2: Episode 2. Not to mention the creature designs. It would've been nice to visit the Half-Life universe again and have a Half-Life experience and a big part of that is the realistic and grimy but clean and readable cinematic Half-Life visual style.
I agree the half life aesthetic is washed out but looking like a neon puke bomb is not any better, those screenshots are NOT readable @@augustinehuizing6683
The game IS aesthetically pleasing
The hero shooter genre just fucking blows tbh
Tf2 is the exception to prove the rule
All of them have been underwhelming time draining slop
TF2 is a class-based shooter, hero shooter has more of a connotation of having a set of skills with cooldowns.
@@Pimploaf_YTP alot of classes have consumable weapons on cool downs tho like jarate, sandvich, and ubercharge
@@slamjam7676 That's fair enough, but most of those are secondary additions and aren't essential to the game, vs. a proper hero shooter where (almost) every class has a set of cooldown skills
@@Pimploaf_YTPcooldown skills don't define an entire genre, it's such a broad mechanic that's existed in plenty of other genres long before hero shooters
@@Pimploaf_YTPcooldown skills don't define an entire genre, it's such a broad mechanic that's existed in plenty of other genres long before hero shooters.
I'm still waiting for Ricochet 2. Any day now.
"Last five or six years" My guy there have been signs the industry would go the way it has without course correct since the 2010s. A bit late to the party.
I feel like DOTA2 and its competitive brainrot has eroded Valve, for some reason they think that if whatever they make doesn't contain at least some aspect of DOTA then it will fail.
Tbh all my friends play PC, and not one of them likes Dota myself included
@@BigDipLipYou know who does? China! Valve looooves China!
@@TwistedFireX Not even true. The biggest Dota community is West EU and CIS. China is 3rd biggest Dota market.
@@TwistedFireX Dota right now is not popular in China.
@@TwistedFireXnope its league and pubg i believe
isn't even L4D2 dealing with bullshit lately. Whats next, all their games are gonna be bombarded with shit they're gonna just keep ignoring it?
Can we all agree that Lootboxes and E-sports completely ruined gaming?
in the nicest way possible you are really stupid
yup, we can. i literally don't play multiplayer anymore if it's not between friends.
It was so obvious when it all first happened and it took this long for people to wake up but it's too late.
No. Counter strikes loot boxes are th best form of in-game cosmetics, competitive games are some of the most fun online games out there.
@@Moli05 Awful bait comment.
the problem with artifact could be described in 3 points
1. we had already been waiting for a new concept or ip for years already after all the canceled projects
2. the monetization system they had in place just was never gonna work
3. and it was released at the wrong time considering people were already getting exhausted with the genre and its bloat at the time
deadlock could be a very fun game potentially better then its peers but the breaker for me is they were doing this while 2 of their big multiplayer games where going down the shitter
teamfortress and counter strike had to die for this to come out
i like the steampunk aesthetic but i dislike the current artstyle
i'll try it but the fact they sacrificed tf2 for this shit will always sour it for me
Gabe 1990s: "Hmm, I feel like revolutionizing gaming industry"
Gabe today: "Hmm, I feel like destroying the legacy we've built"
gabe is a mascot, not really manages steam anymore, think of him as the company face, when you think of gabe you immediately think of steam, although he doesnt manage there, he do owns it
@@Thispersonisreal Wait, doesn't he own more than half of Valve's assets anymore?
@@mysteryguyiscool5054 he absolutely still owns the company, idk how involved he is in it's endavours though.
@@mysteryguyiscool5054 Think of him more like Bill Gates or the US President.
@@Omegaset Largely he’s hands off.
Valve had the past 20 years to make a sequel and all they could muster up is Overwatch 3 💀💀
20 years to make a sequel to what ?
They made multiple sequels in the past 20 years.
More like Overwatch 2.5...remember they can't count to 3.
@@elfascisto6549 half life, portal, l4d, tf, but mainly half life since it has a famous cliffhanger thats like 15 years old now or something with no resolution.
@@ConcavePgons True, true
I agree mostly with what you've said, but my man. Every shooter map has lanes, corridors and sidewalks. TF2 for example mostly have one lane or 3 lane map.
Also, I am a fan of CSGO, Dota 2 and TF2, but still after that I wouldn't play Deadlock.
I think i fundamentally think your hot take is kind of bad.
that's Not every game that everyone makes is a banger, especially in the multiplayer genre, especially after it gets played for long periods of time. I actually think pub tf2, is kind of a shit game, competitively with competitive rulesets, its one of the most fun games ive ever played. But default pub tf2 kind of sucks. It's a bunch of people in servers with no concept of coordination or roles kind of just doing their own thing, teamwork is so far off the table in the average server that it feels like people are annoyed that they would have to stop staring dead eyed in a corner while they repair their sentry gun, not caring if they win or lose.
If that is the kind of experience, that valve is "saving", and that is what public tf2 is, atleast for me has been for years i kind of don't give a shit. What is the captivating gameplay of tf2 that you guys experience on the regular? Was it due to the game and game design, or was it a cool casual game to hang out with friends and chat a bit with? Sure, you could also just chill in a discord and talk to random people.
And i kind think you are alone in this, tf2 has had more or less the same player numbers for 10 years, and they are around 10-12 percent of dota 2's player numbers.
Dota 2, even if you dislike it, is an amazing game, CS, is an amazing game. Artifact failing? so what, it was a card game that failed? clearly not a huge project with alot of resources behind it, and valve cut thier losses and went on. Valve also made the steamdeck, an amazing piece of engineering as well as early competent vr, and one of the best VR experiences in half life alyx. Dota 2 is constantly changing up its meta and game and keeping its player base reasonably happy. You may just be older now, and know what kind of games you like, that's fine.
I hope that valve creates a captivating hero shooter that is fun, i actually am excited about it. Valve is actually a pretty competent company when it comes to gameplay. Hillariously, i think tf2s in practice gameplay, to kind of be shit, ill take lootbox filled gameplay that i completely ignore with a tight captivating gameplay experiences, over a server with 6 snipers just fucking about, a battle medic that is high as hell in the corner, the 2 people in the server that actually want to take the point and do some battle.
The tight narrative driven games that valve created are not it's core business model, It wants games that are highly captivating and engaging that will keep you on its platform, so they can take thier 30 percent when you buy other things on the store. And i would love if valve made tight narrative games again, but the incentives aren't really made for that.
Imagine after Deadslop releases valve starts working on their next game: a Vampire Survivors clone
We need Ricochet 2
i mean i'd fuck with a vampire survivors clone as long as its a new ip
Or another dota 2 shitty game
Left 2 Dead 3: scrapped because Souce 2 was Dead on Arrival
If Valve cannot maintain their current games, what hope does a consumer possibly have that they’ll maintain Deadlock more than 3 years after release?
Also, It’s honestly mind boggling that a company like Valve, who deliberately stayed a private company for creative reason, have drummed up something so dull and uninspired. It’s a slap in the face to both TF2 and CS2 fans who were under there impression that Valve were working on something special.
The creative juices are looking dry boss...
cs2 and dota 2 being at some of the highest numbers theyve been for awhile? dota 2 the game that has had a massive updates recently that are loved by the community? crownfall is regarded as one of the best updates. Get over tf2. It's 17 year old dead game with the same pool of 1000 autists
@@dothork Nice bait, mate.
@@dothorkbad bait.
@@dothorkthe whole argument is as worthless like An nft
Valve has not invested into a red ocean: they are head first in a black ocean.
It's kind of cute how Emp tries to not look like a massive tf2 fanboy but gets trouble breathing from anger when talks about it getting left out
Not going to lie, it’s quite embarrassing to see as a TF2 player.
when your schtick is copying other popular games without any sort of imagination, youve fundamentally failed as a creative.
ikr, it just seems like they're "trying" to make something that stands out but doing it in the safest way possible by combining things that are already mainstream
Nothing is original, every idea came from somehwere else. Originality 101
@DuncanWilliamsOFFICIAL What would it even mean to have an idea based off of literally nothing? What you're saying is obvious and couldn't logically be any other way.
they've had a solid 2-3 decades of making games everyone else copies i think they've earned copying one game you know?
@@FantasmaNaranjauhhh. no
Instead of spending $300 on a TF2 tradeup to give me a 20% chance of getting a cool item (and an 80% chance of a garbage Christmas hat worth 30 cents), I put that money toward a PS3 and a ton of games at the last second, which so far have brought me more joy than TF2 has in the past 18 months. I will not support or buy Valve anything, and I encourage others to follow suit. They're completely out of touch just like their peers
as a tf2 player why would you ever even consider the first choice
if you spend money on cosmetics for f2p games that literally sounds like a you issue. Congrats on learning to spend your money in a better place lol
The fact you had a 300 dollar casual gamble on the mind shows maybe even if the game was good, it isn't good for you...
or you could own a $1000 cosmetic... no judging tho!
Wasted. You should have used that money for heat by burning it.
Remember when valve used to innovate and other companies would copy their work?
honestly so far deadlock looks like valve's attempt on trying to look "trendy", like they saw fortnite and valorant and stuff and were like "oh that's what teenagers nowaday want" and just kinda went for that style, but that's just not how it works…:( it's like coming back from school as a kid to your dad overusing slang words when talking to you :D by trying to be something that you aren't you'll just look silly if not stupid… you just have to be what you are Valve, you just have to do what YOU want to do, I know that Valve "wants to keep being a small indie company so they don't hire a lot", well small indie companies also do what THEY want, and not something that is trendy…
At least TF2 has the excuse of being a 17 year old game. Valve's most recent title was CS2: a glorified source port of CSGO with barely any new content, and it's probably the most buggy unpolished mess right now, not to mention the game is barely a year old and already has a bot crisis, and Valve has done jack shit to fix it.
could you explain why cs2 is a buggy mess? been playing since beta and I personally believe that the game is actually very polished, I agree with you on the lack of content, not like they haven't already made the content, they just choose to drip feed the content such as maps, game modes etc. and as far as I'm aware with the bot situation, valve really is doing something, they banned roughly 300k bot accounts just last week, there are public stats you can look up.
@@consolegamer1122 There are a million tiny minutiae things that add up which would take forever too list here, but to summarize it: probably one of the biggest issues outside of cheaters/bots right now is just the general gunplay feeling off compared to CSGO, the main reason for this I suspect is the subtick system that Valve was hyping up to the launch of CS2. If you're a casual player this probably won't affect you much, but if your competitive then you understand that ticks are basically everything when it comes to the smoothness of gameplay. One of FaceIt's main selling points is that it hosts 128 tick servers which are double that of Valve's embarrassingly outdated 60 tick servers.
Outside of that, I also find it particularly scummy especially of Valve when they forced CS:GO players to migrate over to CS2 rather than have a natural community segue. It comes off as insecure, like Valve no longer has the confidence they used to when it comes to making sequels to games. Imagine if Valve forced players from L4D1 to move to L4D2, but L4D2 has less content - and is full of new bugs and a substantial lack of polish.
@@spimpsmacker6422 the gunplay feels fine. Subtick at any tickrate (64 on Valve servers btw, you sped) is objectively more precise than traditional tick-based networking. They forced the upgrade to CS2 because of the skin economy and the competitive scene - Left 4 Dead is not a competitive shooter with a tournament scene and complex network of organisations and sponsors. You think like a child
@@acex222 Okay sorry I accidently got the number off by only four digits, I didn't mean to set off your sperg alarm. Secondly no, the subtick system is shit. I don't know what exactly it is within the code that causes it to fuck with the game, but most people will agree that it screws with the gunplay and hit registration too much.
Forcing players to move to a new platform is something Valve has never done with a sequel, they didn't do it with 1.6 and CS:GO, they didn't do it with TFC and TF2, so why is this such an exception? 1.6 tournaments still went on years into CS:GO's early life and both games were completely fine in the end. Skins make even less sense when they're literally just game textures with an arbitrary price value, even if Valve had to update both games simultaneously to keep the economy in balance, I don't think it will kill them to keep up with the task of adding a few pngs to the game.
@@spimpsmacker6422 64 ticks is something anyone who's qualified to have any opinion on tickrate should know - it's a sign you're thick as a brick outhouse. "most people will agree" isn't meaningful, because it goes in the fact of hard facts - it makes hits and misses more precise. Subtick is an improvement over 64 ticks because categorically cannot miss a shot that was going to hit due to tickrate.
"Adding a few PNGs" child with no concept of work detected, opinion dismissed
They used to make trends, now they chase them. It's pathetic.
Perfect summary of their situation.
Don't remind me of Half-Life era of FPS games, that was a bad age.
@@ValveFanboy-eh5bh Bait used to be believable
7:01 Even though its not announced, the core gameplay seems like AIDS.
Its like as a little kid in art class when you try to mix a bunch of colors together to make a rainbow color or smth and end up getting a muddy brown or gray.
Also valve saw people wanted games... So instead of looking at all of the games that are still loved and played years after their release, they looked at the companies that were doing good 5 years ago but are now drowning because they made terrible design choices that were not sustainable and went "damn... Looks like we gotta get on their level!"
Im genuinley convinced that valve got all of the good people still left at the company and have them locked in a closet somewhere being forced to work on bug patches for half life 1 and 2 for bugs that require you to go through a 15 step program on a PC using a cursed totem of the sun god as its CPU to actually do.
"Greatest works of art"
-next scene-
*HL1 soup explodes*
10/10
artifact if it was an fps
its a moba
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