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- In 1984, news reports that hundreds of children had been abused at a California preschool helped spread panic across the nation. But the case was not all it seemed and its impact continues to be felt.
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Key statement here: "The children weren't allowed to say in their own words, what happened to them." BIG red flag for me.
Cylenium i don’t think he was “protecting child molesters” ??? the psychologists who talked to the kids clearly led them to say certain things rather than listening to what their stories were without any kind of manipulation. I don’t think that wanting to hear the untampered with truth is the same as protecting child molesters.
@Cylenium no such thing gotta read more than one sentence
Sophie Willson-Quayle Cylenium is a troll who calls anyone who criticises the SRA panics a paedophile. I’ve seen enough of Cylenium’s comments to know.
Photographic evidence from FBI. czcams.com/video/GiSy3KcJPBg/video.html
Sophie Willson-Quayle No one led children to reveal the truth. Blaming the victim is just what abusers do. Shame on you.
Repeating the question to force a child to give a positive answer seems like a typical story for false child confessions.
It's been confirmed to be real.
@@TheKnoxvicious no it hasn't
Confession exactly you were a crazy predictor if you didn't agree
The repeated questioning may have even brainwashed the child into thinking it was actually true. Just like what Socrates said: if you keep telling a man he is five cubits high he will end up thinking he is five cubits high, even if he is only three cubits high.
I dated a woman once who would tell her children, basically what to say and believe and when they repeated it to her to appease her she would use that as "proof" that she was right because "even a child can see it". It's pretty scary how bad adults can be with kids.
Those interviews eerily remind me of how actual child molesters speak to kids to get them to commit sexual acts.
Gravity_Falls_Up how would you know?
Yup been there seen that...watching it gave me anxiety!
not how I was talked to annnd I was molested 5 years
Yeah it creeped me out too. I remember being told "you don't remember anything bad now do you? You weren't scared huh?" very manipulative stuff like that.... and reading that line "oh you don't remember? You must not have a good memory then," was creepy af, just that specific suggestive stone gave me shivers. Not saying anyone necessarily did it on purpose but the snippets of interview they showed here were noticeably manipulative.
Kidda ha
That juror was wise: "they were never allowed to say *in their own words* what happened to them."
ontledingen sensible juror.
@@Goodiesfanful have you read the book on it might chane your mind it was written by an fbi agent
@@markguthrie9901 If the FBI agent's name is Ted Gunderson, I think the book would be a waste of my time.
@@markguthrie9901 Thought so. Already checked it out and it's a load of cobblers that was debunked years ago, and is not an official FBI report.
@@Goodiesfanful didnt come out years ago
I was sexually assaulted at 4 years old by a daycare worker in 1987... because of the panic associated with this case, my abuser was released and allowed to work in a daycare in California..... Even though my case was real, and had substantial evidence to prosecute.
omg unreal it makes me sick you maybe my age I was born in 83, went to catbolic school and 3 priests were found to molesting kids its so unfair and really makes me mad, I hope you the best
what evidence did they overlook I'm just curious if you don't wanna talk about it I understand.
+Joey Walker I was physically damaged by the offender... he used needles and other things on me... but a four year old saying someone stuck her with needles "down there" is an extreme story... and since the California abuse stories were extreme, they were scared of prosecuting the case .. obvious physical evidence or not.
+Stephanie Hughes that's sad I'm very sorry but it's good your open about it tell your story.
+Anissia i Aww honey I am so sorry you had to go through this horrible experience that guy will rot in hell. I am happy that you overcame this trauma with your guy :)
I relate to this so much. When I was 4 my grandmother coached me into saying that my stepfather molested me. Fortunately I was able to tell my doctor exactly what she had done and he was released from jail. She was even punished and lost visitation w me for a while. I still resent her for this. My step father never did treat me any differently even after this traumatic experience he endured.
They Hate The Truth proven? There were no convictions and there was sufficient evidence to acquit these people. I take sexual assault accusations very seriously and am more inclined to believe accusers than those accused 99/100 times, but I also can see how this situation was handled extremely poorly and how the school encouraged parents to essentially coach their children into saying things and even make them question their own memory. I obviously don’t think this was anyone’s intentions but they didn’t know at the time how to properly interview children. (And the trial by media only made this case so much worse. If anything, the media was quick to virtually convict these people, pre-trial(s). Not quite the kind of propaganda you’re describing. The very opposite, actually.) As I said, I know first hand how confusing it can be to have adults constantly ask you if you’d ever been touched inappropriately by someone. For years I questioned whether something really did happen to me, so yes I even understand and relate to the children who stand by their original complaints. Please don’t tell me what I can/can’t relate to. I’m perfectly capable of drawing my own comparisons, thank you.
i’m glad u were able to see around the manipulation and help ur grandfather
Typical women
@@nickjacobs4265 bingo, this is why many men are in jail and innocent
@@mothermayi9545 They were all aquitted, doesn't matter what you believe or not
I was sexually abused by a childcare provider. I was only 3 years old. I am 40 now and still remember it like it was yesterday. My story hasn't changed then and it never will. Children have extraordinary minds. Sadly they can also be led and I think that's what happend here. Especially after reading the apology letter to these daycare workers from one of the "victims " later on in life. I feel awful for them that they lost everything while so many people who really are monsters go free.
@They Hate The Truth this says that there were no tunnels and no bones ever found. That they were looked for by prosecutors and police and never found. This went to trial 3 times wasn't it? So why was it never brought to evidence? Why does the evidence only say nothing was ever found in the way of tunnels or remains? I am honestly asking, not in a hostel way. I know it is hard to tell through text if someone is getting an attitude or not, I assure you I am not. I just need some kind of facts. Can you lead me to those facts? Do you have links resources with pictures and things? I fight for abused children still to this day. It is my passion and a believe purpose in life. So when false reports are made it damages us and makes people doubt real reports. I am sure you understand that. Thank you for you time and I look forward to your response! :)
I was sexually abused by the school bus driver in kindergarten. Every day. He was an elder at my church. I was 5. You’re right…I can remember it like it was yesterday. I’m 61.
@@karen1866iam sorry to hear that
You don’t remember anything from 3 years old lmao
@@jferg8956Yes you do you weirdo
I like watching these retro reports; it makes me feel less like I'm wasting my life on youtube.
Yess
Then you/we probably are.
They say to “go” with your gut feeling so
@@AG-zv9jo as awesome as internet technology is- I don’t even want to add up the wasted hours that all of us have spent mindlessly on here. Lol
The lead therapist who interviewed these children at Children's Institute was also dating Wayne Sikes, the Channel 7 reporter that "broke" the story. The interview techniques were flawed and it began to take on a life of its own. Ira Reiner was also running for District Attorney for LA County and he needed something to keep his face in the news, so he was part of the problem. My brother-in-law was a district attorney investigator working on this case and said it was problematic from the start. He had to spend night shifts guarding a vacant lot where the children said the dead bunnies were buried - no dead bunnies were recovered. It's sad that Ira Reiner, Wayne Sikes, and Children's Institute International were able to ruin seven lives, not to mention victimizing the children, for their own personal gain. They should be tried.
Spike Coen
Thank you for your comments. You speak truth.
My brother's sister-in-law had a close relative who dated the lead head chef at the McMartin Cafeteria. He told me Satanism doesnt not exist, and the ratio of pedophiles to people in positions of power is normal levels and nothing to worry about, and it does not have big repercussions on society, money doesnt have enough influence to cover-up such stories right? Surely, history has taught us this type of things are better to look away I mean they are "debunked". (EXTREME SARCASM)
alfredon
Trolling? Sarcasm?
Interviewing methods were much more flawed back then - including interviews of suspects of crime. There was more of a focus on "close the case" and "get the confession", at a cost of "find the truth" and "innocent until proven guilty". We learn and we move on. We might have learned some more if these people dared to appear in this little documentary - but they're probably afraid of harassment.
Discernment is a skill few people posses and discerning mainstream media's BS will always be for the minority. That is why it is called MAINSTREM media its made to appeal to the masses. Yes pedophile rings exist, yes the ratio of people in positions of power being connected to pedophile rings and pedophile tendency is extremely high. Yes the Mcmartin pre-school was used as such for many years, and so are many other schools and agencies acting as fronts are actually selling and exploiting children on a daily basis.
"It is easier to continue telling someone the same Lie, than to try and convince them they have been lied to their whole lives" - My English traduction of a famous quote.
are none of these children around now to say as adults whether they remember being molested or not?
Even as children they were saying they weren't molested. This entire thing was made up by a schizophrenic alcoholic mother
Check out "I'm Sorry: A long-delayed apology from one of the accusers in the notorious McMartin Pre-School molestation case" in the LA Times
+Lexi Kamen Turner That was sad but interesting article. Thanks for sharing the title.
Mr Leslie You sound like someone who enjoys seeing innocent people locked up. .
Mr Leslie real pedophiles obviously need to be stopped. But we need real evidence against them and in this case there was none
Why on EARTH isnt that psychologist locked up for perverting the course of justice and mental and emotional abuse of minors??? Absolutely staggering.
This story should never been forgotten, it shows how hysteria even in the legal system can get out of control.
New moral now. It shows how we really cant trust the media or parts of the government
this is everywhere in our country now. The hysteria.
Except this kind of stuff happens on a larger scale today than it ever has. Keep living in a daydream...
I mean, we should’ve realized that after the Salem Witch Trials but alas humans are unable to learn from history and apply it.
It resulted in a hung jury and mistrial. How is that out of control? That is the way our legal system is supposed to work if there is a reasonable doubt. The system was exercised and did the job it is supposed to do. You would think people would just be relieved that due process was carried out correctly. But evidently, many, many commenters are still furious that any investigation results from over a hundred accusations of abuse. God forbid any prosecutor be allowed to indict anyone and put them on trial! By your standards, evidently they have to have fresh DNA evidence or every abuser gets a get-out-of-jail-free card. How convenient for people guilty of assault that would be.
The psychotic woman who made the original molestation claims also said Ray Buckey was able to fly.
Red flag?
And she drank herself to death before the trial even started.
Dana Ashlie over 1200 children all coming out with the same stories and descriptions which matched up with one another. more and more of these stories are popping up around the world all the time...the media and powerful discredit these stories by their social status. too much coincidence and convenients for these stories to just be made up, also matching the exact descriptions of satanic ritualism books like Allester Crowley's. its funny if someone speaks out and says that Sandy Hook was a hoax or any like it, that the parents are faking or in on a hoax then "shame on them" for even questioning evidence which doesnt add up to the narritive, yet its okay here for it to be done even by the media. what a double standard! people beed to wake up and notice something is bad wrong with the justice system and anything like this ALWAYS gets swept under the rug, you are very correct! "Satanic panic" HA!
David Underferth no way 1200 kids have imaginations this insane and depraved. This is enough proof for me.Anybody who doesnt take into account that major fact is just part of the problem.This is a completely messed up world where kids wont be believed and have no safety net.I am ashamed of this "new" society.And the insanity is only going to get worse and worse where up is down and left is right.
why you think they go after kids cause it easy to dismiss them..all gal defending this school hope y'all kids go through let see your perspective then!!!!
it's very easy to influence children and make them say what you want them to say.. take your pills
They should talk to those children today now that they're adults.
SANPH this is not true...i would like to see the videos or interviews with these victims saying that it was "made up"...and wven if i did see it, i do not think i would believe it without very good evidence put behind it. too much is covered up and swept under the rug that invilves satanic ritualism today, especially when it involves the rich and powerful.
David Underferth even if they would speak out now as adults it is still complicated. as it s said in the interview many of them were led into giving certain answers. it is mentioned that the first few times when asked if they took part in "naked games" kids would answer no and that after noticing that there would be no end to the interview if they don t give the expected answer kids started to admit to different things. this raised the problem of induced memories on these children that could even be traumatised later in life by this false memories. all this just because some incompetent person was putting the questions in such ways that the answer was already in the question. kids just had to aswer positive.
Young Bloodyy is right. The memories of those children have been irrevocably tampered with. We understand that pretty well today. Some of them may still report that these ridiculous claims happened to them. They didn't even get into some of the insane things that the kids reported that were taken as absolute truth at the time, such that the children were flushed down gigantic toilets to get to a secret bunker under the day care where they were made to be part of Satanic rituals. There was no basement or any kind of man-made space under the day-care, and a few of the investigators looked really, really hard for it.
Gabriel The Magolor Main a man who owns a local paper called easy reader tried. He said now as 30yr olds they refused to answer. Now, if this happened I'd still be screaming it to the sky. I'm not blaming the children, they were used as scapegoats for a bunch of IA idiots. They still are corrupt and inept to this day.
One child-now-adult retracted his testimony, saying he was coerced into it. I don't know about the others.
There is an article that one of these kids wrote recently apologizing for lying about being molested. He mentions that he was never molested and just went along with it because that is what everyone wanted to hear. For example, when his mother was going to question him, he kept insisting that he was fine because nothing happened to him. He asked her seriously to listen to him, she says she will listen, and when he tells her again that he was not molested she continues to not listen. Obviously this is one case of a person coming out to say they lied, but there is still a likely possibility that many kids came out with these accusations because that is what they wanted to hear.
It's embarrassing to admit you lied because you cracked from the pressure but that's what happened I just wished we (the kids who were forced to lie just to be left alone)knew for a fact they don't hate us for what we Did if you're reading this Ray Bucky there isn't a word for as bad as we feel 😥
Something similar happened with one mom in the Peter Ellis SRA case in NZ. In her book "A Mother's Story", she constantly asked her son if he had been abused, each week, to reassure herself. The first time he was asked he said no, but with the repeated questioning his replies progressively changed until he was saying utterly fantastical stories about Ellis abusing him. Experiments, including the Mousetrap experiment, have shown that simply asking a kid the same question each week for a period of time will cause them to start saying a false story that grows increasingly detailed and they become convinced it is true. So I reckon that mother is far more likely to be responsible for her son's horrific stories of SRA abuse than Ellis is. BTW, she founded a society against SRA, and members had to believe SRA existed without question. Those who did question it were expelled. I wonder how they took it when SRA was finally discredited as a hoax and mass hysteria.
That is really sad to me. These children have nothing to apologize for. They were all victims of a botched investigation as well. I heard that many of them needed therapy years later for some of the things they heard during the questioning. These kids were preschoolers!
coolguy bubs in the Peter Ellis case (another McMartin) one mother kept asking her son each week if Ellis had molested him. Research, such as the Mousetrap Experiment, has shown that even asking a kid the same question each week will have them going from "no" the first week to spinning increasingly detailed and convincing stories several weeks on. This is what happened with the boy. First he said no in the first week, then a vague yes in the second, and as the weeks went on he was telling stories of abuse that got more and more bizarre.
@@vinnystern3598
Thank you for your honesty. Someone should help you contact Bucky.
That's why trained child forensic interviewers are so essential.
THIS
i will never understand why anyone would want to sexually abuse a child.
barbara chipley because they have demons inside their soul and have departed from Gods grace. They only care about themselves and their sexual needs and that is what the devil does. Causing the complete decay of the innocent soul we’re all given by God when we’re born. These people that worship Satan don’t care about the innocent they only care about power and they will do whatever it takes to get more of it. The children of God need to open their eyes and understand that the richest people on earth are satanist and sacrifice hundreds of children each year. But God will end the pain and suffering when he comes. Amen
If you want a real answer alot of the times it's people who were abused themselves. It traumatises them and warps their views on sexuality and intimacy.
barbara chipley you should be wondering why adults would make it up and WRONGLY ACCUSE AND INDICT. It's all fun and games until it happens to you.
@@emmanuelyohannes6041 what
@@marioedc5610 💯💯💯💯❤️
This would be funny if innocent people hadn't had their lives ruined by this nonsense. Child abuse is a real issue, but the vast majority of cases involve someone close to the child (parents, family friends, etc).
There was a literal witch hunt in the 80s and 90s. The Satanic Panic resulted in many innocent people getting sent to prison. Some are still locked up today. The "evidence" was so outlandish there's no way it could've been true. Kids being peed and shat on, taken through underground tunnels, witches flying through the air...just pure nonsense.
The quack psychologists and prosecutors pushing this BS should be rotting in prison.
You have a fake CZcams account. Why do you have a fake CZcams account?
Exactly. Really well said, Anon Girl.
And to the gutless interlocutor who I has set his comments to disallow replies, username, the interlocutor with the username "Foghorn Leghorn":
YOU have a fake CZcams account, you goddamn hypocrite. Why do YOU have a fake account ? What are YOU hiding ? Or more to the point, what are you trying to imply with your veiled remarks ? Goddamn coward.
Foghorn Leghorn A cartoon character is accusing another user of having a "fake" account?
Could you be more of a hypocrite?
+Vincent Cuttolo Just like drug and alcohol testing is in every aviation job, this McMartin Preschool kiddie abuse was very very real.
+Penguin Weird comment - you stoned?
This is so messed up, some therapists are so unethical they should lose their license to practice. Innocent people's lives have been ruined by this.
They would be at risk of losing their license now. At the time, it was less clear what they were doing wrong and the therapists didn't realize they were doing wrong. Maybe you still think they should never practice again...and some of them probably decided not to, based on how horrified they would have been when they realized what had happened.
That therapist should be locked up
FBI just confirmed it was real, dude.
Yeah, when you say to a preschooler, "Did someone touch you?! Tell me the truth!" They're going to say yes to get you to calm down. Can't believe police sent out a letter to tell parents to ask their kids.
Can't believe you a. apply such a broad, stereotyping, nonclinical diagnosis to "what preschoolers do," and b. You think police giving parents a chance to discuss this with their kids themselves, versus police investigators knocking door to door of hundreds of families was a bad thing. How do you think accusations of child abuse should be investigated? As a result of this case, and decades of other cases following, we have hopefully developed some better procedures around it. Before this, without physical proof, many accusations would just be disregarded, and that is a shameful, dark period of our history when child abuse did not used to be taken as seriously as it is now.
Art parents will usually become over emotional and demand the “right answer” until they’re satisfied.
Because of people thinking that children aren’t capable of lying or imagining things, lots of people were falsely accused and had their lives destroyed.
There’s a right way to investigate, and this wasn’t it.
they abused and scared these kids for life trying to prove a fictitious crime without being held responsible
There was this study done by Loftus detailing the impact of false memories. The brain can fabricate false memories and they can seem just as intense as real memories. So in a way, this therapist traumatized these children unnecessarily.
Unfortunately, she was part of the discredited False Memory Syndrome Foundation. It is worth noting: The American Psychiatric Association has NEVER included "False Memory Syndrome" in their diagnostic manual, the DSM. Because it has always merely been a theory. There is no such syndrome, officially. There are people like Loftus who have been attempting to prove their theory that there is, nothing more. So, it begs the question, why, after so many decades, have they not been able to prove it? Why has their theory not been affirmed by the APA after all this time, all the "expert witness" appearances in these types of trials that people like Loftus have made?
Loftus made the False Memory Institute to discredit her abused children.
Honestly, I was sadly abused as a child and I was brought to a child psychologist like this and these similar techniques with a Barbie Doll were used on me too. I didn’t open up though because I had been threatened by my abuser so I was scared to say anything. So idk about this I feel like just how the reporter said it can be traumatic for those children who actually haven’t been abused to question children on things like that.
Yep
Mrs. McMartin has to be innocent. She has tiny stuffed bears sewn on her sweater.
lol I seriously thought the same... guilty trying to look like a wonderful loving person, a wolf in sheeps clothing
+Madeline Sheffler i am curious was anyone in this thread alive when this case unfolded??
+b52gf16c it did happen just not by them the cops had true culprate but fixated by pure lazyness they let correct 1s go an aimed thier targets on these innocent ppl. I am 1 of the victims I was shipped of to arizona to protect the true idenity of the truely guilty
+esser yes I am alive but be4 I could see this "unfold" I was shipped off to protect the guilty. the school employees were innocent it was some1 they knew cops were lazy then an today are still lazy. they dont want 2 do thier jobs.
+Madeline Sheffler One reason she has to be innocent is because they spent tens of millions of our dollars and never have found any evidence, and no one has been convicted. The accusers today are being looked at differently than they were when you formed your opinions.
Children are so impressionable. This is awful.
FBI just confirmed it was real. Just spreading the info.
@@TheKnoxvicious No they didn't. They are just historic records of their communications etc, there's no evidence of anything happening. The 'tunnels' were obviously not real, the 'evidence' is entirely based on an extremely one-eyed interpretation of the soil under the building and other completely normal things. To anyone that has built a house/building, it was immediately obvious the disturbed soil where the 'tunnels' were, was precisely where the sewer pipes would be.
If the 'FBI confirmed it was real', they would obviously do something about it.
Rabidcolombian you mean the fbi that spied on the President of the US. Lied, colluded with Russia, let clinton go even though under subpoena to turn over her illegal server, deleted 33,000 emails, bleach it and broke her phone with hammers?
TFOH
@@keelsmac01 thank you sir
@@DoubleMonoLR an independent group found that there were in fact tunnels. The people involved were highly specialized and had credentials. But, of course, you don't hear about that
There is a definite double standard about “believe the children”. Believe them when they say they were being abused, but not believe them when they say they weren’t. Why? Because the investigators were trained to think that when they say they’re not being abused, they’re in denial. Never occurred to the investigators that when the children say they weren’t being abused, that’s because they weren’t.
The second that the kids started claiming satanic sacrifices they should've thought this one over.
Haha about that...turned out to be real, check out the new fbi document drop
Just the mere allegation can ruin someone's life.
@shahla1123 They are however very capable of lying, if they want to.
Yeah but not speaking up can ruin many more innocent lives. We all know these children were molested. Satan is the father of lies!!
That's why people shouldn't abuse children.
The false memory foundation was created by two of the pervert child abusers, so there's that.
@shahla1123 children do Lie and don't say you didn't like when you were little because we all told some lie when were little.
None of the teachers were convicted, the police used improper techniques in interviewing the kids, and the primary accuser was diagnosed with and hospitalized for schizophrenia. She died of cirrhosis of the liver before the case ever went to trial. One of the most frightening miscarriages of justice, even though no one went to prison. Buckey spent five years in jail, held without bail, even though he was never convicted of anything.
We have held foreign nationals in Guantanamo for four times that long without due process.
There’s still one person in prison who was also falsely accused at their job a few years after this one.
So many people were falsely accused and had their lives destroyed thanks to a delusional, Schizophrenic woman!
@@sarcasticallyrearranged Well, as long as you can claim that there is supposedly someone innocent in an unrelated conviction still in prison, unable to win any appeals, then I guess it must be true? Don't like, name the person you feel is wrongly convicted, or anything like that.
They found the tunnels. Go look inyo it
The police did not interview the children it was CII. Not the police.
This channel is absolutely amazing to discover cases and stories that happened in the past, and not necessarily known by all of us. thanks for that ! amazing channel 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This reminds me of another situation that just happened in a tunnel and mattress
Somehow, there always seems to be clever ways to manipulate kids to help an overly zealous adult meet their aspirations in a socially acceptable manner.
I am loving these Retro Reports!
Bring those kids back and ask them now.
Well there is one smack above you at the thread "tiny teddy bears sewn on her sweater". User's name goes by "Liv4 Sun" and she posted 4 years ago claims it's all true and was shipped off to AZ to protect the paid'oz. By whom? Cops? Sadly, there's a LOT of enablers who seek to shame the rational truth seekers.
Only one out of at least a hundred has ever recanted! Does that tell you anything?
we had a similar case here in the early 90s in New Zealand. Early childhood teacher (and effeminate presenting man) Peter Ellis was accused of interferring with children. It was the same- one dubious parent making a radical claim and all the other parents calling, grilling, and implanting false memories in these very young children. The guy was ruined. Children must always be believed- their parents- not so much.
You would have thought someone, anyone would have said....You know this seems kinda like the Salem Witch Trials maybe we should slow down.
Satanic ritual abuse really happened at that location and those tunnels were discovered by a retired FBI chief.
+Jtzkb There *are* tunnels under Washington, moron, that can't be credibly disputed any longer. And your mocking little reply is a clear demonstration of arrogance and denial. Spirit cooking and tunnels have been established beyond a reasonable doubt. Now if you used to believe in that other stuff, that's a little strange considering the evidence for it is scarce. If you had any interest in the truth rather than following the mainstream media like a faithful dog, you would apply the scientific method to these findings rather than giving in to your atheistic confirmation bias.
Jtzkb Shhhh! That’s supposed to be secret.
Valthirian Sunstrider There are tunnels in every city. I’d be willing to bet very few of them were built by Satanic child molestation rings.
@@valthiriansunstrider2540 no and no
The McMartin Trial is the equivalent of the Salem Witch Trials. Not just the McMartins either. Other pre-schools were caught up in this frenzy as well.
This happened in Canada as well, more than once. Martinsville, and Saskatoon in Saskatchewan.
I really feel for the people who were unjustly accused. I can't even think of a worse accusation.
I feel so bad for that McMartin guy.
+HarpsiFizz You feel sorry for a pedophile? Wow...
RagGamingPC there is no pedophile.. it was a witchhunt
🤦🏻♂️ hopefully we will get nuked
Ashes Henry He wasn't a pedophile, I've done extensive research on this case and a lot of the claims were from mass hysteria. Frankly, the only villain in this case was the child therapist who manipulated those poor children into framing innocent people.
Consider as well that in 1991, they sued the mother who made the initial claim for slander, and the court ruled in their favor. The amount the court awarded them for the damages done as a result of said mother's false claim... $1.
Not only do those children have to live with this for the rest of their lives, children who were actually molested will have a harder road because of this case
Exactly
This really sounds like an episode of South Park.
I know the episode you mean. South Park likely referenced this incident in that episode.
@@CountryWatchdog What episode?
So does pretty much everything about the Donald Trump presidency, so America clearly hasn't changed much.
@@charlottesometimes9182 rent free
I was 14 when this happened.And I talked to Mom about this. I didn't understand at the time. I'm a Mom now and if a school said I couldn't drop in at anytime I would call the police.
This was one big clusterf***.
When I was really little I went to the doctors for a simple rash on my legs, but because it was the inside of my upper legs they had me talk to a child protective services social worker type character. She was really pushy, trying to get answers from me. Showing me these anatomical pictures of male, and female parts. Asking if I knew the names of them, asking if my parents touched me, and all this other malarkey that she wanted to use to indicate molestation. She wouldn't take no for an answer is what I'm basically trying to get across. Of course nothing was happening, and if anything it was just some poison ivy growing near my kiddie pool that done it. I just have this distinct memory of her trying her hardest to find some proof that my parents were abusing me. Now this was in in 90's. So watching this its like almost nothing has changed.
Cheat... This was my job for nine long years. You got a bad worker!
Sometimes a rash is simply that, a rash.
Me too abridged
Oh my god
I’m sorry that happened to you
This case needs to receive the same treatment as the Central Park 5 case. Clearly there are some careers from the prosecutors office that need to be ruined in very public manner
There's a Danish movie called The Hunt which is about a preschool teacher falsely accused because the other preschool teachers who have no bloody clue what they're doing lead a child into making an accusation. It's really good and I cried a lot. I don't know if maybe it was based on this case but this report reminded me of it.
there have been a lot of cases like this, sadly. 😞
For you future parents and parents, IF YOUR CHILD TELLS YOU THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED (in anyway) you MUST believe your kids!
You take them to a professional and don’t interrogate them since parents will be too emotionally distraught to properly investigate!
@nwo detox That's stupid
this is how witch hunts happen
It was a witch hunt.
@Juana Torres
Trump is not on your side. He hates latinos.
2degucitas when has he ever said that
@@2degucitas ok, racialist.
This summarizes the radical left these days.
I was in preschool myself when this was going on, thank God my parents were rational critical thinkers.
@Kazakh Stallion parents fail to protect their children. They leave them in the care of others .
I dont want my mom to blame me....or hit me as usual. No trust only fear of parents.
@Kazakh Stallion ...is this English? Are you having a stroke?
very good indeed.
Thank god they evidently did not send you one run by generational luciferians/pedophiles.
I like the justification of the prosecutor... Yes I traumatized and ruined hundreds of lives, but at least we found out that badgering children into giving you the answer you want out of them won’t stand up in court...
Imagine all the innocents that moron put in prison.
Go google Lawrence E King Jr., the Franklin Cover Up, and Conspiracy of Silence 1993. After Jeffery Epstein and Jimmy Savile I genuinely can’t fathom the depth of idiocy and ignorance in which you lurk. disgusting.
and that is the reason why i don't work with children as a psychologist... 1. i wouldn't be able to deal with the real stories about molestation when a child is telling me about it and 2. i would have to take legal actions. when i work with adults, i don't have to do that, i just have to help them to help themselves.
Linda Lemoni Agreed. Any chances I had of becoming a teacher have been killed off by how many idiotic parents and Internet crazies think teachers are all molesters and perverts. My parents (teachers) had enough other stuff to deal with, including working with kids who'd been physically abused at home and possibly more, without becoming witches to burn in the community. I'd rather get low wages and have no vacation time for the rest of my life than be accused of a sick crime I'd never commit.
I remember my mom grabbed me from preschool because of this and no one else since has gone to preschool up to this day! I’m 39!
I cannot imagine what those people have gone through. And the children and families and community as well. All victims in the end. Each and every one of them.
I was starting out in therapy for sexual abuse as a child around this time. Thank heavens I had sensible, sane, therapists who had no axe to grind. These children *were* abused - by people whose job it was to help people. The proof that it was all made out of invisible cloth is that it all vanished like morning mist. Leaving devastated adults and children.
Why are you telling people what to think instead of showing evidence? Where are the physical examination records?
Good point - how to evaluate a case you haven't really looked at?
I saw the transcripts of the interviews.
You really do see what they’re referring to as far as Kee MacFarlane coercing these kids into giving her the answers SHE wanted. Also the medical record from the first child stated the child had hemorrhoids. That could have been caused by dehydration coupled with poor fiber intake.
Chronic constipation in kids causes the same things it does in adults. Unfortunately it's easy to fit the "evidence" to match the theory/foregone conclusion. I do remember in the '90s that some therapists used hypnosis (on adults) in order to retrieve repressed memory of childhood sexual abuse. I think it was an unreliable and misleading tool and led to a lot of confusion and family alienation. Many of the women were blamed for making stuff up, even if they were sincerely trying to help themselves via a faulty and unreliable method. But did that mean there were no valid cases? And how to separate them and evaluate what actually happened? Unfortunately, society did its usual thing and cried "witch hunt!", and decided repressed memory didn't exist and sexual abuse of children was extremely rare, which of course is nonsense - we see reports of it (especially child pornography from the most shocking sources) every night on the news. And I won't even get into the Catholic church - almost none of that had come out then, and if it had, it likely would have been met with denial and disbelief. It was the usual flip-flop from one extreme to another, with the truth sinking in the swamp. Though it was on every magazine cover for a couple of years, the whole thing went underground and you never heard about it again. If I mention the whole "false memory" controversy to anyone, they look at me strangely and seem to think it never happened (hmm, interesting) because they have no memory of it at all. (Should have kept some of those magazines.) I often wonder what happened to all those women with devastating sexual abuse histories who stepped into a trap not of their own making.
@@missmoxie9188 the roads were from worms 😆 seriously
@@missmoxie9188 pin worms that's what it was
This is the exact US equivalent of what happened in Italy in the "I diavoli della bassa modenese" case. The resemblance is crazy, and makes you realize how delicate and creative children minds are and how careful psychologists should be when interviewing them
My 3rd grade teacher disappeared one day, never came back to teach, we were told he was "sick" and would have a new teacher the rest of the year. Then we found out he had molested a classmate. My religious private high school principal (my 1st, I went to several schools) was molesting exchange students for years. It happens alot.
For gods' sakes, why would the prosecutor wish the verdict was different if there was NO EVIDENCE? This country really did go insane there for a while. It was a very scary time, especially for anyone in an alternative religion. The hysteria was quite frightening.
No evidence? What about chlamydia? Some kids had stds.
darkmath100 probably from abuse going on from other places and potentially from other family members instead of the McMartin place. offenders aren't just random people.
@@darkmath100 Yep. Sadly, they probably got that from where real child sexual abuse cases happen: At home or at friends' houses. Child sexual abuse simply doesn't happen like this in real life. The really sad thing is, during the day-care panic, parents across the nation were pulling their kids out of day-care and putting them with babysitters at home. Statistically, they were much, much more likely to be molested in that scenario than at a day-care. So this probably did lead to hundreds or thousands more children being abused.
Prosecutors care more winning a case than the actual truth. They've locked up thousands of innocent people just to satisfy their egos.
@@dacypher22 Right, abuse happens, but it's always someone else who never aroused suspicion. It just couldn't possibly be perpetrated in a daycare. Or anyone into the occult, because all pagans are kind and gentle. They would never do anything bad! How dare anyone suggest they could be as flawed as many other humans of mainstream religions!
Totally off topic, but the reporter who appears briefly at 01:55, Tawny Schneider, was Miss America 1976. Born Tawny Little, she was married to Dukes of Hazzard star John Schneider (Bo Duke) for a few years.
Them Duke boys sure do get around
cool
When you are young you are so innocent that you don't know that you are being abused. I was 16 when I realized what was happening and then depression and anxiety starts.
So much has changed over the years. Amazing.
This is so saddening and maddening. Children can lie, it does not mean they are maliciously lying. Children want to please to give ‘the right answer’ but when that child grows up and realises the damage done by that ‘right answer’ the guilt and downfall begins.
That therapist reminds me of the “psychics” out there.
this comment section is making my head hurt
I wonder how a person suspected of molesting children in daycare would be investigated today and how parents would be advised of suspected abuse?
Revisiting this as we enter into a new age of moral panic
How's that?
There were literally tunnels under the daycare though, the FBI proved it in their documents on the finders, and many of the children in this case are now adults and still insisting they were abused.
@@nimbletimplekins7601 the tunnels are debunked and it's not hard to see people not wanting to recant from having implanted memories from early childhood.
@@Curtis006 they are not "deboonkt" it's literally in the FBI's FOIA documents on the finders, part 1 of 4 page page 47-48 look for yourself. How can children remember something they usually have no concept of if they weren't exposed to it in some way?
@@nimbletimplekins7601 They were exposed to it, from their parents talking, the leading questions of the CII, and just the general talking, hysteria and gossip in the community. And yes the tunnels are debunked, it's a total fringe theory at best. All the evidence in the tunnel points away from the story.
To all the commenters talking about satanic ritual abuse, try looking up satanism before you accuse people of performing a "ritual." What you read might surprise you.
Sinister Sweet ....I'm not a Satanist, or a Luciferian...but I AM a Pagan, a Druid & a Witch to be exact. And *I* am told almost Daily by these same types of "well meaning" christians......it's Intolerable.
Cat Momma Oh, so you’re insane essentially?
Probably OnDryLand
Why, because I Follow the Path of my Ancestors, the one I was Born Into? Or is it because I don't Believe Right-Wing Christian Idiocy & Propaganda???
Lazy attempt at an insult, Try Again..only Please, at least *be Original*....LMFAO
MrHappyBollox not all satanists are the same. Most are totally harmless goths looking for some fun but there are some who partake in rituals and what not.
MrHappyBollox At least they haven't started any wars. Just saying...
Did they find the space ship the kids got to ride in ?
Perhaps they found it in the tunnels that so many people in the comments are gibbering about.
No but the children mysteriously somehow found stds such as chlamydia....js
@@Jtzkb This isn't a partisan issue. twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/status/1187790941215584256?s=19 m.imgur.com/a/EhAxwyq The fbi released this last week they found the tunnels.... Pg 49 in the documents states the tunnels were found.
They didn’t find the tunnels but many believe they existed.
Did you get the satisfaction you wanted out of ridiculing alleged victims of abuse who may have had their minds altered by drugs and confused by bizarre rituals in candlelit rooms with people in robes and masks?
In my opinion, the abuse happened in those interviews. I cant wrap my head around a bunch of adults putting little kids through this
This was so tragic, but in defence of reporters, parents, etc, it was such a different time. Our society just didn't know about such things as child sexual abuse, leading interrogation questions, repressed memories, etc etc. In many ways today we are just so much more aware of the horrible parts of life, that we've learned what they really look like when they are factual rather than hysterical.
Seriously? Have you not heard of qanon?
When my brother-in-law voiced his opinions on this case, he was deemed not a "team player". His career at the LA County District Attorney's office took a nose dive. Add one more casualty to the list. He did do good work on the "Hillside Strangler" case and put away Angelo Bono and Kenneth Bianci.
Is your brother in law still alive? And if so, would he be willing to talk about his experience during this case?
@@McKinnonMitchellStudios it’s not his brother in law. People lie for attention and likes on here.
Why is the prosecutor of this trial not in prison?
Matt Bunch because a lawyer cannot be prosecuted for doing their job. You’re told to prosecute: You prosecute. Doesn’t matter whether you think the client is innocent or guilty. She may have believed they were guilty, but once again, not a crime. If they started prosecuting lawyers on the losing side, then what’s even the point of having them in the first place?
It's a shame that prosecutors like Ed Jagels get to their lives without any consequences for "doing [his] job". He ruined lives and actually in way "mentally molested" the kids that he was claiming to protect. Watch Witch Hunt narrated by Sean Penn.
Tom Sneddon, the prosecutor in both Michael Jackson trials, is another vulture of the law. But he didn't get off so easy. Thanks cancer! :)
Some prosecutors are motivated by the money and power that they will get from putting someone in jail or sending them to the death chamber, not because they are interested in true justice.
Like @@AtOutoftheBlue said, it is important that the lawyer is always on the clients side and should never be tried, but perhaps you meant the plaintiff?
I never knew about this and I live really close by. I've always questioned those preschools when I saw them around town
Regardless of the results of such accusations, it's a tragic fact that child molestation still occurs to this day.
Shame on all those involved and blew this up. I’d like the cops, families, doctors, and community who did this to say what they feel now.
Ted Gunderson confirmed there really were tunnels. These kids really were assaulted.
I don't understand how anyone could possibly have even the thought of going there.
That this went to court and turned into one of the longest trials in history, really does boggle the mind. Those child social workers have got a lot to answer for. Feel very sorry for the innocent people caught up in this, must of been a hellish nightmare for them.
I remember there being one report that one kid claimed that they were taken into a hot air balloon to be satanically molested, and the fact that such a silly accusation didn't shut this whole thing down is astounding.
I'm glad I got to hear about this case. I've always had an interest in satanic panic, and it certainly seems this played a huge part in it. I hope we remember this case for a long time so nothing like it ever happens again.
Don't let the label put on it convince you that things aren't worse now than they've ever been
Lmao, you are letting the NYT smear piece shape your opinion about this time period.
I wonder what the NYT liers say about The Finders CIA child trafficking case of 1987 and it's clear coverup using the national security classification system to hide the documentation.
I mean, it found new life in Qanon
A similar case happened in Brazil in 1994. And it is eerie how much resembles this one. All media jumped in and in no time an angry mob destroyed the school to the ground. In the end not an ounce of concrete evidence was found and the case was closed. I remember even one American businessman with not relation to the school was arrested because someone tipped there's one gringo living in a nearby building who was "unusually" nice to kids.
After Jeffery Epstein, Jimmy Savile, the Franklin Coverup and the Finders, it’s absolutely baffling how naïve and ignorant you have to be to take what the media says at face value on the subject. There was a literal independent investigation into the property of the McMartin school in which they dug up the tunnels in the exact locations the children said it would be, including many other corroborating pieces of evidence all painting an extremely disturbing picture. Look into Ted Gunderson.
@@CAAvgvstvs Wow now I'm curious. So are you saying the whole judicial system failed in this case and they got away with it? I mean, for what I read around the net the consensus are that they were wrongly accused (in contrast to the people you mentioned, Epstein and the rest, that are overwhelmingly believed to be guilty.) Are you implying all these people, not just the masse but very much established news people, are "naïve and ignorant?" I don't know since I never lived in the US I can only assume from what I see through the filter of the media so your implying sounds more conspiracy theory. But anyway I'm all ears. Maybe you can present some convincing evidences? Now the similar case that happened in my country I know pretty well because it happened in my city and nowadays is a subject in universities and law institutions as the classic case study of false accusation and mob mentality. By the way the American guy gave a lengthy interview years later in a talk show (a very mild-mannered guy who to me reminded me of car racer Bobby Rahal) and it was pretty hilarious: the police seized "crucial evidences" Playboy magazines and photos of him posing with his friends' kids and even one of those joke shavers molded in female body. But the sad part is according to him he had to abandon his business as a industrial machinery salesman because wherever he went, even Africa, his business rivals would tip the potential clients with copies of newspapers and magazines about the case. And no matter how much he presented documents of his acquittal people would go "yeah maybe you were innocent of this one but you did get charged so maybe you had a bad reputation in the first place so..."
@@CUMBICA1970 First, I’d like to thank you for your surprising degree of openmindedness on the subject (considering the platform and topic matter), and while I would love to continue this discussion in good faith here, I unfortunately had to rewrite that comment upwards of five different times switching key words and phrases as to avoid CZcams automatically deleting my comment within 2 minutes, so while I will try to give a quick vague response to some less controversial points (which even then might prove to be difficult) I believe it would be best if we continue on a different medium so we both have the ability to openly express ourselves without restraint, of course so long as your comfortable with that.
@@CUMBICA1970 If you please, I would also like ask you to watch this quick 4 minute video to give you some context as to precisely why I cant discuss very much openly on this platform especially concerning a member of a certain nations secret service of whom we’ve directly named…
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(Also, this video is nearly impossible to find via search unless you know the exact name, and even then it was like the 12th result for me…)
"we believe the children" yet when I child tells you something important there always lying.
a) grammar much? b) the problem wasn’t believing children, it was not believing children when they said they weren’t abused
@@EyeofZai The problem with this assertion is that the parents first received a letter from law enforcement asking them to inquire with their own kids themselves about their experiences. No one can explain why a parent whose kid denied any abuse would have then insisted they go and see a therapist who was part of the investigation regardless of being told there was nothing to worry about in their case. It makes no logical sense. So, there was not an overwhelming problem with kids not being believed. I can see why you would be criticizing the one recording that is out there of a therapist pressing the one kid we can say denied the abuse when sent to therapy. The problem is, we don't have the benefit of hearing all the other sessions where that did not occur. We have no way of knowing what all the other sessions were like. The one questionable session gets taken out of context, and people jump to the conclusion that over a hundred others were flawed and trying to overcome objections. Quite possibly none, or the overwhelming majority, ever denied it, but reiterated what they had ALREADY TOLD THEIR PARENTS that got them in therapy in the first place.
This is a very interesting series. I wish this episode addressed how the New York Times reporting has held up to historical review.
It would be quite fascinating to see interviews with the children involved at the time today.
Watch the Oxygen documentary on this case. There are several.
@@Art-uc6dj thanks will have to look that up.
Thank god the justice system worked in this case! It’s terrible to think of how the owners & employees of that daycare had their reputations destroyed!
It was all real, the finders, it’s not a panic, it happened
Social panic has always fascinated me
Does it still now that it'd been confirmed?
Those that were panicking were right to do so.
The people that were questioning the kids tortured them more than anyone else.
I used to live in EL Segundo, right by Manhattan Beach. I had no idea the daycare used to be there.
So what happened to these parents that accused these teachers of abuse?
What a nightmare for these people (everyone) I was just a teenager when this happened and I knew it was BS I hope everyone has gotten their lives back
What a waste of time and money.
Meanwhile, at Presidio Child Care Center
20 seconds in and my jaw drops.
This is why our laws will protect these predators and leave the victims to remain silence in complete shame
So now it doesn’t happen at daycare so much
Now it’s abductions
My heart to every person here that have been effected, lost a child or had a child affected by anything like this
My heart truely goes out to you
We need reporting on todays child trafficking and predator crisis
This is the stuff that you could never see in a history textbook.