Riker's excuse for not hooking up with Deanna Troi
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Makes you wonder if Picard requested Troi to join the Enterprise just to fuck with him
Picard never fucked with his Crew bar Worf.
Even his lowerdeck cadets were reviewed and considered with measure.
Worf is a Klingon and that man is denied Honor on the fucking daily.
One time all he wanted to do was go to yellow alert. Not only was it a denial it was almost a huniliation.
But again Worf in Star Trek Picard reigned all the way in and felt he had to be more zen.
Picard did that with all the PTSD
Or... he brought Riker on board to screw with *her*! He was the last to come on in the pilot.
I think in the first episode, Picard is caught off guard that they know eachother.
Only O'Brian had a stable home life in all of Starfleet
Keiko was cute but a huge nag! I suppose that is normal...
@@Cole205no she isnt. Name one time where her grievances were unjustified. Their conflicts were completely normal for a married couple whose career ambitions are often not compatible, and it so happens that almost every episode involving Keiko was focused on their conflict.
If Colm and Rosalind had better on screen chemistry no one would feel this way.
@@LGrian
keiko is horrible bro lmao
@@jasonvoorhees5640 or shes written that way. Consider the following: if she was always that way you think O'Brian would stay with her? The nookie wouldn't be worth it. It's implied, grossly, that she's actually very easy going and quiet and giving of herself most of the time. Sadly, we usually only see her during dramatic crap.
@@DembaiVT
you make a god point....
As someone who's been on a large ship, you don't sleep where you work. If you want a relationship, you pick a different department than your own
Just seems like they love each other but aren't ready to settle down, despite living on the same ship..
There's a difference between being in a relationship and just hooking up
Just about every girl he hooked up with he wanted a long term relationship.
That's what he pretended, once he got his hole, he was like "Beam me up O'brien!
I think Riker wants to have a relationship, and he would put lots of effort on it, but he would prioritize his carrer a bit more. Deanna wanted a relationship where the relationship was first, their careers were just their jobs. As the story went and even beyond TNG, they came to understand each other more and give concessions. Riker did pursue his career with passion, but he also put her and her family above it.
They should have just let them be together like Torres and Paris on Voyager. I'd rather they explore the dynamics of raising a family on a starship with all it's dangers, than the down low hookup culture they insinuated that was poorly portrayed.
See the episode “Change of Heart” from DS9, I would say that is one of the ways their relationship could impact his career
Riker’s on the career track and hopes to be the captain of the enterprise before 2371. But then Picard meets Kirk in the Nexus who tells him don’t let them promote you! Poor Riker.
Riker got 3 promotion offers to become a captain and he refuses them all.
They wont make a commander the captain of the flagship, but he clings to his seat like a tick, he has no one to blame but himself.
@@hafor2846 he did get the Enterprise during best of both worlds after Picard was declared lost
@NX1701 that's different. A battle field promotion atleast at first they wouldn't change his ship. If Picard never came back, they very well could have moved him to another ship.
@@hafor2846 Yeah, but he wanted the Enterprise! Kirk messed it all up! 🤣
I honestly feel like if it wasn't Picard in the captain seat, Riker _would_ have taken one of those other captain positions. But he respected Picard so much, and felt he was learning from him, that staying there was worth it. Holding out to eventually captain the Enterprise, or a new flagship, makes sense in that context. If it was someone else, like Jellico, he would have taken promotion to captain any ship.
Troi supposedly sees images of others' feelings so you have to wonder what image pops in her head when she is "feeling" Rikers feelings about,ahem, "what he wants" 😅😅
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I think it’s the opposite - Riker would pursue a relationship with Troi (see how quickly he jumps at the slightest hint of flirting in Insurrection). Troi consistently puts the brakes on things - here, because she thinks his career will take priority (to be fair, at this point in the show, she had just been burned). Later, the excuse is that they shouldn’t be involved while serving on the same ship. By the sixth season, he seems to believe she doesn’t look at him romantically anymore. Interestingly, for this episode, in the final working draft of the script, Riker is much more explicit - his response to her question is to tell her he loves her.
Yeah, and later in the genderless Je'nai lady episode he tells Troi he's dropping her for the Je'nai lady because he needs something serious.
Seems like the Enterprise is the perfect ship for relationships though
I've always interpreted Rikers actions as a reflection of how he FEELS Picard would approach a situation. The character absolutely respects Picard, and emulates Picards actions whether he understands them fully or not. Jean-Luc is highly successful and unmarried and it makes sense for Riker to equate a serious relationship as a distraction from his career path
If it has a hole, Riker is DTF lol
Not technically canon but in the book "Imzadi" Riker is Troi's first sexual partner.
Whoa
@@NewbieStarTrek Yup. And, it explains why Riker leaves Betazed and Troi. It also shows a lot of tension between him and Lwaxanna that was barely hinted at in the series.
They don't just "serve together", he's her commanding officer. We saw what a strain that creates when Picard dates someone under his command.
Actually, it does. He just doesn't want to be a Captain, he wants to be Captain of a ship that's the best like the Enterprise. I mean think about it, Picard - Single, Kirk - Single, Sisko - Single (when he made Captain), Archer - Single.......just saying.....
Troy is just along for the High she gets when emotions are present. She’s an emotion junkie.
He idolized people like Picard … a man that eschewed romance due to they’re strong conviction to duty.
I think it made Riker more relatable. Because he’s torn between what his heart wants duty or love… you watch him grow and accept that he can have both
I think it would be one thing if they were away from family all the time, but their families live on the ship with them.
I thought it was agreed upon that they shall not be intimate with each other as long as they served together. This lasted until Insurrection where they ultimately hooked up and got married in the following movie.
The funny thing about this is
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Not only does Riker become a Captain, Troi goes with him and they are married.
It makes perfect sense. He doesn't want the distraction of a relationship. He doesn't want to ever have to choose between one or the other.
At least, at this point. Later seasons, his focus changed.
Long term romantic relationships are one of those weird aspects of Star Trek that they could never quite fit within the utopia conceit. Roddenberry and Berman were incapable of that level of introspection and growth with regards to women and gender. So they just axed a lot of it, or hand-waved it. The closest they got was Kaiko/O'Brien and domestic/emotional workload conflicts of working-class parenting (and those episodes sucked).
Honestly though, the whole concept of a power couple didn't really exist in the zeitgeist until the Clintons, so it was societal.
Anyway so happy we're actually dealing with these issues in nu trek 40 years later...ohhh....
Hahaha Miles doesn’t have coffee in the afternoon. OH YES HE DOES! HAHAHAHA! Oh DS9……..
It's still the first half of season 1, most of the characters are still pretty amorphous. One thing we lost with the decline of weekly network TV is that the production was only a month or so ahead of the audience. They could change course in almost real-time in response to what was working or not, or they could rewrite a character to play to the actor's strengths, etc. Nowadays "prestige" TV is filmed a season at a time; at best the production can do a postmortem at the end of a season.
Further, she's a counsellor. She could easily help him work through those feelings, but doesn't. Plenty of Starfleet Captains are married and live successful lives, even leaving loved ones behind, yes, when they are blown up by the Klingons, Romulans, or Borg.
It doesn't make sense. However many seasons of teasing, back and forth, and casual relationships which clearly strain their own composure towards each other and aside, and then get married in a movie regardless.
Oh yeah, she should just do ALLLL the work. Nah-uh.
Lmfao they used to date, she can't be his fuckin therapist! I think they even mention the conflict of interest in the first episode.
riker also becomes content with being first officer though
I feel like before we see him, he was career oriented. But after years on the enterprise he learned to become a different person, and valued his relationships. So much so he rejected promotions to stay with his crew. Also his relationship with Deanna became way more friendly then romantic at times. I liked that.
Councillor Troy has the empathy of a drunk person you just at the bus stop.
I suspect the reason is that a relationship between two of the ships senior staff would result in one of them being reassigned to another ship due to conflict of interest.
Speaking as a former forward deployed military personnel, having a personal relationship is one of the most difficult things you can try to balance with a career in the military. The most unrealistic part of this is Riker pretending to be mature enough to say he doesn’t have space in his life for a family. Most ambitious officers pretend that they can have the wife and kids and lead a platoon, and 99/100 times they are wrong.
Troi was his golden egg.
Remember, he already was offered a ship several times but turned it down. This is also why it's not believable
I don't think that's the case at this point, in season 1. Pretty sure he gets offered his own command later. Could be wrong though, been a while.
I think Deanna set the boundary, not Riker.
Riker should have had his own show
Not so much that Riker doesn’t have room in his life for a relationship. We know that he and Troi met when he was stationed on Betazed, and I think the implication is that he was offered a promotion on the starship he was assigned to when he got transporter cloned, which meant leaving her behind, which he chose to do. And I personally headcanon that the “starship captain” phrasing came from an argument they had when he told her he was leaving
Early episodes of TOS had this theme of how Kirk is married to his ship that the burden of command excluded real relationships. Given Gene's heavy involvement in the season this doesn't surprise me.
I see this as an immature assertion by Riker. To quote young Bashir, a lot of “career officers” feel this way. Later, when Riker was more “seasoned” he realized he could have the things he wanted in life AND a command. Probably helped that Troi was a full CMDR by then.
Riker would still question why he was still aboard the Enterprise during The Best of Both Worlds. In all reality, I felt that he didn't accept promotions because his Starfleet career and personal life both felt complete now that he was on the Enterprise. His life growing up with his dad wasn't one with much joy. But aboard the Enterprise, he had friends... No. A family. It wasn't just Deanna. Will would reach out and cook for his colleagues, ultimately deciding that playing Poker was the better choice. It's actually why him playing the NX-01 Enterprise's chef in the holodeck made some sense, as Riker did like to cook... Even if the results weren't always the best. (At least Worf liked his eggs.)
You see, season one just needed a rewrite. They get married in the first season. They have a baby. They name it Wesley. Wesley is 7 when the show ends. Meanwhile, child actor Will Wheaton gets guest roles on Full House, Married With Children, and Beauty and The Beast. Win-Win
He's following the batman loner track of trying to have a career and it's stupid
It's an 80s ideal, where both men and especislly women couldn't progress in a career when they have a relationship, because of this conflict between mobility and making time for a partner. During this time whwn the show came out, this idea was understood. Likewise, it later comes out thay he NEVER made time for her. Ever. He also never talked to her about how his career was going, and eventually, just flaked on her after getting a promotion.
This makes a lot of sense. Young Riker assumed personal attachments would prevent him from becoming captain at a young age. Obviously, his priorities changed over the decades that follow.
It seems like to an empathic species, they would either want to stick to their own kind, who are used to being empathic, and so either have learned to not give a shit what others think about them (like Troi's mother), to be controlled and measured in their thoughts and behaviors (like Deanna), or seek out species that cannot be read telepathically. Another thing would be that the temptation towards manipulation would be a strong drive most likely. Imagine if you could easily peak into another's thoughts. Those little moments where you wonder "is she mad at me?" or if you have a sudden suspicious thought "is he cheating on me?", and what if you could satisfy that desire at any time? I could see how it could become something a Betazoid easily falls back on, just constantly peaking at people's thoughts. But then we can see how some rare Betazoids, I think his name was Tam in that episode of Star Trek with the ancient organizer starship, have powerful telepathy, and can peer into minds from great distances, but cannot suppress their abilities.
Troi is more pushing him away and useing here abilities as an excuse. It’s not him that thinks that it’s her that wants that for him.
Season One characters were so nebulous: Picard worshiping any and all things French, Data not understanding basic human phrases, Riker being this hard-nosed career-focused officer etc. all quickly falling away.
There are a lot of Starfleet captains that are married Riker just wanted to be a player.
He wants a star fleet career and doesn't want to hold Deanna back.
Bro wants to be a Captain but like any man worth his weight would also wanna stay under the command of Picard.
I'm confused ...
DOES RIKER WANT PICARD'S RANK AND MORE ???
First few episodes she called him Bill instead of Will which was odd and no one else does
You are not taking the death of Roddenberry into account. Once he was out, the show went in a different direction.
Troy knows if she tried they could be together… but she doesn’t want him. She left him after all and thinks she would have to sacrifice too much to be his wife(tho nothing would of really been sacrificed because they stayed on the same ship and eventually married anyway).
In all honesty she could probably tell he still wanted to do a Kirk and sow his seed across the universe before settling down. Which Riker did… and once he matured Troy married him.
Riker doesn’t have time for a relationship because he’s too busy trying to pork anything that moves.
the Planet-of-the-Week set especially from season 1 is absurd
Riker gave up on being a captain, as evident by him passing up promotions to stay on the Enterprise.
Out of curiosity what is driving the order of these uploads? It’s hopping around seasons.
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Tbh Sisko was a captain and managed to have a wife and son without issues. Then some time after losing his wife, he found Kassidy Yates and had a kid with her.
So yeah, Riker's just talking nonsense, he can bone and be a Captain.
Not a “serious” relationship, you know? But then he slows down and finds his lane and they get back together
A ship that carries families
Riker is the man recognize
Character growth. That’s why ‘later seasons’ didn’t fit the same initial viewpoint for Riker.
It’s true. Look at the failed families of great military leaders.
Yet he turned down being a captain how many times?
What was his excuse for not being a captain yet? That's the question..
He just wants to follow the example of the late great Captain Kirk and bang aliens across the galaxy.
Its the sexual tension, the show wouldn't be the same without it.
Yeeeee buddy
come on y'all. clearly he learned that at home. maybe he had workaholic parents and subconsciously he doesn't want to subject a kid to an absentee family. maybe an overbearing father who put the idea in his head....
lol 😆 that it doesn't make sense at all....don't we do the same thing in our own lives, make decisions that if we were on the outside looking in we'd see were irrational or not in our best interest? 😋 it's probably just me
Dicking everyone in sight only to settle with the first one to possibly be the one.
Is very par for the course. I feel like he needed to mature still like most lads.
Emphasis on most. So if your like thats bollocks I married my childhood sweetheart. You really are an exception to the modern rule. Or probably born in the 50s