I own many Surefire's and use them on my firearms best lights made on earth. Customer service is fantastic. I don't think they're hurting in the market place at all. All most all military law enforcement and other agencies use them.
Ive had two of my four fenix flashlights fail under light use. I've also had my only nitecore fail and have to be returned. They're fine for playing with, but I won't trust my life to them.
It's dumb to trust on anything other than yourself (skills n knowledge). Death is the only out come, if you mainly only trust your life on equipments and tools.
Totally valid points. Past 5 years surefire has been slow to respond to the market innovations. Thrunite TN12 perfect example. Hopefully surefire gets with the program soon.
I have 14 surefire lights. They're all awesome and I'd buy them all again, without question. I lost a P3x fury in about 10 feet of muddy river water. For 2 years, yes TWO YEARS, I was sick to my stomach about it. Miraculously, a dock building company employee found my flashlight when we had a large dock built. Two years underwater in the St. Lawrence river, the light works perfectly to this day when I take it to work. Believe the story or not, that sold me on surefire for life.
Lol 😆 🤣 cute story bro way way way better options for the price of surefire and streamlight in today's market im sure you have changed your mind acebeam imalent jetbeam nitecore fenix are the top quality brands of today thurnite sofrin emisar and metemico are a few of the best budget brand quality flashlights(DONT BUY OLIGHT THEY ARE DANGEROUS)yes in their hay day I loved surefire too my dad gave me a backup mv and I loved it but then I saw there was more out there that was more functional for what I needed I need instant nauseating strobe so when I turn it off it takes you a second to see that big ol .40 cal barrel!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
After watching your video, I’m still going to buy their new Edc2T.... lol. I have more than a few of Nitecore, Fenix, Five7, Klarus, while they are all great lights, I can’t seem to find customer service readily available. I remember a x200 I bought years ago when they first becomes available, it fail on the first range trip, bad tail switch. Called SF, they expressed a new switch to me, no question asked... yes they are expensive bc we are buying after sales service.
He has a point. Also its worth noting 'quality' isn't synonymous with durability or toughness. Manufacturers want you to believe it is but it doesn't take an engineer to explain it.
Thanks for a great informative video, keep telling the truth. I can understand why Surefire fan won’t like this video though :) Everyone is different & have their own opinions.
I've used SureFire for over 20yrs and I can't say I agree with your opinion. I tried a Fenix about 10yrs ago and it went kaput in about 2months and forgot about getting it repaired. SureFire on the other hand I sent my E2 Defender to them in Fontana, California after something I did to the light and they fixed it sent an extra bulb and sent back free of charge + they gave me a check for the insured postage I spent sending down to them from Oregon. So .. I'm a #Surefire customer for life .
what I want to see is nitecore and surefire taken apart and compared. I want to see what is done to surefire lights to make them so great. I spend $550 on an m&p 9mm. and a surefire is almost the same price. some people backing the surefire price, say is your life worth less then the surefire price tag? I feel surefire is over price and a lot of the people are just going with what others say and so they buy it.
Please ignore Surefires MSRP. Most of the products can be found at retail for 20-40% less than MSRP. Less than that sometimes if you shop around. As far a $550 Surefire goes, that is on the high end of their product line. Yes I know they have $2000 lights as well, but a M&P would be the equivalent of a G2X or 6PX. An entry level gun with a really high end light. They don't compare well.
+slumberpass nothing about a Surefire flashlight is worth $550! .. especially when you can get a very bright Nitecore or Fenix light, way more lumen output for $300. and waterproof. please, explain what is so special about Surefire lights. why are they so expensive?
As a heavy equipment mechanic, I use a stinger everyday. I've dropped the stupid thing more than I can count and in 3 years of rough service, it works great and still bright. It looks beat to shit, but still works awesome!
Funny how this is 6 years old and streamlight and surefire are just now giving us 1500 and 2000 lumens and charging way way way to much for what they actually do
I'm in Europe. The switch on my Surefire failed after many years of use. I emailed them with a picture of the flashlight. Next week, DHL stopped infront of my house. They sent me a brand new switch free of charge. That is one reason, why the initial price if high for Surefire.
I have had multiple fenix and other Chinese lights over the years and they all have failed on me. My sure fires have not and have endured a lot of abuse. I have one 17 years old that runs excellent and others for years that still run excellent and out perform a lot of lights. Yes Olight and Fenix make much better cost to lumen ratios and are "techy" but when they quit on me my surefire is always brighter because its working. I honestly have nothing against any brand I'm just passing on what has been my experience on this topic. Cheers
I have several Surefire flashlights and weapon lights. They range from 350 lumens to 1500 lumens. They all serve a purpose and do it very well. I don't need 20,000 lumens. I need and want a light that will work every time and when it doesn't work, the company will warranty it.
only reason someone would choose an overpriced surfire over other brands is that its made in the usa. even 4sevens make better lights in the us and are cheaper.
4sevens are made in China. They have a US address just so they can say it's made in America. In reality, it's just assembled in the US. I can't remember all the details, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Ask any serious shooter! When it comes to their life being on the line, the only weapon light they will use a surefire !!! It's not about brightness or lumens. It's about when your military or law-enforcement and your life is on the line and you turn the corner and you push the button you know without a shadow of a doubt you're light it's going to work !!
What flashlight gets at least 500 lumens and close to 200m by using cr123a throw away non rechargeable batteries❓ I dont want to use rechargeable batteries. I need it to fit and small enough to put in my front pocket ❓ I can only spend under $100.00 What would you suggest Sir..Thank You for your help.
latest version of surefire g2x or 6px went constant on 600 lumens on high with 180m or so throw, you can find them both under 100, both using cr123a, it's not small by any means, but still pocketable.
I used to be a surefire loyalist. Then I tried the klarus. Way brighter. I own 3 surefire flashlights. But I use and carry the klarus xt11gt. My surefire flashlights just collect dust now.
Well my friend I respect your opinion,,, BUT I have owned every 'top' end Chinese light and every one is broke and always end up back to my surefire that has taken a lot more abuse than all the others combined,so for and EDC or weapons light Surefire is the only light that you can depend on
No, Surefire is high priced because of dependability not high lumen lol. I had 2 fenix which one broke under a year of use. One still works. I contacted Fenix and they did not want to warranty it. Surefire will warranty their light after 5 years. So, you tell me, what did Surefire lose? LOL Fenix is bright yes, but they have a higher probability of failing on you at anytime when you need it most.
Maybe that's one reason Surefire has to charge so much up front, because they loose so much money on warranty work! Lol When it comes to lights, always have a backup. Guns, too. ;-) Personally, I really like Convoy and Eagle Eye. They are high quality, but are fairly inexpensive. Replacement parts are very inexpensive and redily available. If it breaks, it's easy to fix myself. With some companies, if it breaks, it's a complete loss because they won't fix it nor will they sell the parts to fix it. I avoid those companies.
Surefire lost their market. Yes, the Fenix broke. So what? I've had broken Surefires too. But it cost me 1/4 to replace a Fenix than it does the Surefire, and the Fenix is brighter. So what if I break it? I buy new flashlights every two years. The bottom line is, people started buying lights other than Surefire. Whether you would or not isn't the issue.
he has a good point,all hes saying is they are way over priced.$500 for a light is simply too much for what you get.I understand hardcore sof needing that 10% diffrence but for civis which are over half the market,cmon there not the only ones and there not bullet proof,save $400 and get ammo to train or a training class you will be much better off.plus look on ebay,its the iphone of lights.everybody selling to get the next best thing,aka dont buy the media or paid supporters buy a trully good light.tlr4=$100.
Are those alkaline batteries in that Fenix. Don't let them spill their toxic guts and kill that Fenix. The SF 6P rocks. Thick walls and reasonably priced. Add a good drop in and bingo. I prefer Fenix over the 3 chinese made bands named in the title.
I understand the point of this guy.He may be asian and now the Chinese make amasing lights for a good price so he defends their products and Surefire comes close to a hand gun or a shotgun in retail and many of these are US made.Surefire are way behind.Nitecore comes with a new model every two, three weeks.
Dont be confused by the lumens. You dont need over 1300 lumens in tactical use. I had a very nice build chinese flash light few months ago. 2200lumens when a big fire start behind a house i took my flashlight and run there the flashlight was useless. The very same day i throw it away and bought a nitecore tm03. Its2800lumens but trust me you cant use it in tactical mode. But build quality is good
I actually don’t like any current surefire lights because they are too bright. As leds become more efficient, you can either get more brightness/same runtime or same brightness/better runtime. One thing sure fire has always been good at it reflector/tir design. Getting the most out of the lumens available. I have an a2 aviator. Officially 50 lumens. It puts out a more useful beam than many 1000 lumen lights. I also have a maglite magtac. 325 lumens. Better than any 1000 lumen light. Because it’s a well engineered reflector. When I saw surefire start to enter the lumen war with overseas lights, I stopped buying them. Take the edclt2. 5 lumens low and 1200 lumen high. I’m not trying to flag down a passenger jet! It’s too bright for any practical use. Lower it to 300-400 and keep the same lens. And I’ll buy it again. I will agree with you though. Their tactical promotional material is pretty gross. They’re selling to armchair warriors with neck beards
Surefire wasn't slow to boost their lumen counts because they "didn't know what to do." Unlike those other manufacturers, they have a good reputation to uphold and aren't going to release anything without extensive testing. Also, heat kills LED's, so by making it all about the lumens these Chinese manufacturers produced low quality and overdriven lights that would quickly destroy themselves. Surefire builds their lights to last even if you use them hard, so they're never going to have the same brightness as a poorly designed gimmick light that only needs to look good on paper.
All the guys hating in this video. This guy is exactly right. First I modified my 6p with a Chinese bulb. It worked awesome. Then I got a thrunite TN12 and it was like a game changer.
Intellibeam? You mean TIR lenses and multi-textured reflectors available in almost every brand of light offered today? Surefire can name it what ever they want, it's still old technology by the time they put it in a production product.
Tombs Clawtooth do your research. Intelibeam means it adjust its brightness relative to ambient light. Search before you act. Major rule of media literacy.
The Chinese versions do not handle the Tactical world... I worked in a Tactical Field for 35 years.. Let me explain.. One... Using any other battery other than a CR-123 will decrease your operational time....Two... Chinese models break down...Tail switches break...Bulbs burn out faster... Their Bodies are made cheap and do not take the test of time... You can talk until you are blue in the face and you cannot prove your gripe... Sure Fire is the best on the market for Tactical use... They are Dependable and the Chinese models are not...
lol! your brainwashed man! give me a fenix or thrunite anyday......surefires are washed up in the flashlight buisness.....overpriced snobbs did it to them selves....they cant even compete with whats out there now
doubleu dee Say what you wish... Over the years I have never once had trouble with any of my Surefire lights including a HellFire which has many hours on it. Nothing beats the test of time. If other cheaper brand Flashlights held up I would use them however I have never had one that did.. Thanks
drink the cool fucken aid. sure fire is American garbage. I have a china flashlight from 2006 . HID flashlight with rechargeable battery. 10 years later still ripping
RT CE look we get your esl and I have no doubt your chi com flashlight that you pull out of your junk drawer every couple of years works well for you, that's not what Surefire is made for. They are made for military and police use where conditions for usage are less than kind to equipment. If your life depended on the reliability of your flashlight no one in their right mind would trust a Chinese made anything.
And yet people still buy them, because they cost 1/4 of a Surefire, which means if you do break them they cost 1/4 to replace. And most people aren't elite operators. They're just having fun or defending their house. You can't sustain a market on operators alone. That's what, .0005% of the population? Not a great target demographic.
I've read all the comments and understand how the world works. Here is a solution: That top part of the Surefire that you just screwed off, now that cartridge with the next evolution of LED, just export the cartridge to the US, make a deal with Surefire. Make sure the factory from where you source the LED's are reliable and you are in business. Think like Jack Ma. You will make loads of money indirectly from Surefire's contracts with the US Government and a strong brand in which everyone beliefs. Surefire will increase margin and everyone wins except the US consumer. He will still pay plus the import tax. But he doesn't mind because when he wants it, he needs it and he wants it yesterday. So everyone wins right 🙊🙉🙈
Its all true. I am a American and for the life of me I don't understand how Surefire has everyone fooled. Ill take a Fenix any day over a antiquated Surefire.
o kay,so pk paul once worked for surefire,and he left! i wonder how the CRE comp.with there LED market is doing,supplying all the flashlights in the world with the LED's these days! as it seems there the ones making the profit these days.
I will all ways trust Sure Fire, so much. That I’ve given my wife and son one. I’ve tryied all the newer cheaper lites. They DO NOT take the beating that Sure Fire does period. And they have saved my ass and life. I buy things according on if they have slave labour or not. And they have great customer serves. Sure Fire has both and provide American jobs. And by the way , what’s a 100 dollars if it saves yer wife or other family member from rape or some other violent crime. I do have a couple of First light torches . There great! but they cost a lot as well. But they do have IR mode with mult colour lites. And have that 90* lamp on it.
Surefire has gone down in quality in their manufacturing process since P.K. left. I've been buying Surefire since 2006 and look at the L4, L5, L6 lights to the E2DL (200 lumen version) and the build quality is impeccable. Since 2013 the E2DL Ultra is playing catchup in lumens game but you'll see significant output drop after 2 minutes of continuous illumination. I see imperfections in body machining, screw down spring in the head vs the old rivet type, etc. These are all cheaper manufacturing processes. Still though Surefire is head and shoulder above others, it's more or less coming down to Fenix like quality....
The only Chinese-made flashlight I could rely on is Jetbeam, well-made and reliable.Fenix? Hell no! Quality that sucks!Nitecore? Not so tough.Olight? Maybe, 50/50.
what the heck? It has to be cheaper! Cheaper labor, cheaper components, cheaper plant, cheaper taxes, cheaper everything! Way to much bs in your comments bud! knock it off...
Surefire makes a good product, but they're ridiculously overpriced, especially for what you get. When you consider that Nitecore and others make incredibly good flashlights at a third of the price, it makes you wonder why they continue to mark up their product so high.
Ive never had a Chinese LED fail, but the tail caps and poor metal alloy (stripped threads and corrosion) are no where near as durable. Thats the difference you pay for...
So if you are happy with your Chinese light, why do you need to come on here and trash Surefire? In my experience, Surefire does have a great warranty, their reflectors/optics are top notch, and their build quality is superior. They have historically underestimated their lumen ratings, and other companies overrate theirs. I have experience with Olight and Fenix and they are fine, but the build quality is definitely not as good. I also find the Chinese lights often have more complicated UI and more modes, strobes, etc. I don't want all that, just gets in the way. If you think Surefires don't look great on paper, double their lumen ratings and that's about what you're going to get, with great beam quality and usability. If you're using a cheaper light that claims 2,000 lumen, it's probably not really 2k lumen - and what is the runtime? Can you use it for more than a few min. without overheating the light or the emitter and shortening it's life? How can you use that much light inside without blinding yourself? Can it stand up to repeated drops? Recoil from a weapon? Water inside it? Are the electronics coated or potted? Also it costs more to make things in USA, that is well known. Workers get paid more. Corporate taxes are high. Also what company with a lifetime warranty doesn't charge more? I'm not saying Surefire is perfect - they've discontinued some of their best products in my opinion. But they are more than they look on paper. And nobody ever broke their surefire dropping it 3ft onto pavement. Also they have models for well under $100.
This guy has it so wrong! Surefire used 1 cr123 battery and made 300 lumen but 800 candela. The Chinese made flashlights use two CR's or an 18650 battery making a claim 1200 lumen which is really 600 lumen and only make 400 candela. The Chinese made lights need three times the battery and only make half the power and produce more heat. This is why Surefire is the best flashlight in the world
You get what you pay for...I've seen way too many Chinese lights fail. You can tell the difference in quality just by picking up a Surefire and holding it next to a Nitecore, Thrunite, Olight, etc. Made in USA, virtually indestructible, best customer service I've dealt with for anything, simple UI (No BS strobe, beacon and other gimmick modes). I've owned some of all of them and there are several good Chinese brands, but that's just it, Chinese. Lower quality, cheaper components, lower tolerances etc. Surefire is by no means a front runner in terms of innovation, but if I want something reliable, especially if I trust my life with it, it's going to be a Surefire with primary CR123A SF batteries.
100% agree, lol! surefire is sure-dead-fire now, staying super low tech today and charging so much because they have a bunch of "gov contracts" lol. Forget it, you can also torture test nitecore and fenix and such and they are just as tough as a surefire. They are dead if the fan boy club is gone
You must be PK Paul.what did surefire lost??Really??And now we do not know what is Surefire...i am an electronic professional,and by the way,output does not defines a flashlight,what about lux and Candela...yes now they have the same output but they do not fail like the others when dropped,their beam and reflector seems better and better adjusted to the human field of view and the effective range of possible battles ,in special CQB,you can feel the SUREFIRE metal is better...by the way,that first LED light that you Showed is still in production and it is the Inova X5 and not the X5 and it is at the Smithshoniam museam,yes,Surefire is full of fear of the Chinese ones....really??Surefire,Led .lenser and Elzetta seem to be the best,i never owned na Elzetta but the others like fenix,Inova,Nebo,Led Lenser and so on i did,let me teLl you a brand that is manufactured in China and with great quality flashlights,better then the one´s you mentioned in my view,5.11 flashlights are great but they are not Surefire,they loose in the lack of simplicity...a light to be used tactically or for self defense does not need more than 60 lumen,what about the flood,spill and so on?So Surefire people are liars?Well,heavy accusation ...another thing:a 3D or 4D Mag-lite can put you in dreamland do not even need the light to do that,they are Still Made and very good...Chinese are genious,man,Chinese produce with "slave" work the projects that are created by the genious from all the countries that work in the USA,look at the 5.11,Nebo and such,even Buck Knives produces their designs in China.I am Portuguese,not an US citizen.Ah,the Surefire G2 LED that you say that only produces 80 lumen,do you know for how long?Compared to the Fénix,how long does that fenix produces that output you show,what about the advantages of lithium batteries in regards to temperature changes...?I could say so much...what about the Luxeon Leds and the Nixias,and so??So,a flashlight is very simple,really?YES I DO SEE MILITARY USE IT... are the special forces wrong??The G2x Is Crap,WHAT??...to be an electrotechnical engineer like me it must have been super simple,like building flashlights??Do you know that Light and iluminations is a almost a science in his own?NITROLON IS NOT pLASTIC and inside the Nitrolon is a metal tube,by the way The Nitrolon models are Surefires...by the way look for MrGunsngear channel and the vídeo ThruNite vs Surefire 6PX,a good Mag-lite Led 2 D with only 134 lumen can concentrate more light than a 300 LUMEN LED -LENSER,DO YOU KNOW WHY?If you don´t, learn...!!AND RESPECT!!
+Domingos Thanks for your reply, I didn't finish all. Let me make my point, Most the American flashlight or tool or what not company today are either closed or all Made in CHINA.(same as the 800$ phone you using) inova is all down and MADE IN CHINA, streamlight is down and again MADE IN CHINA, Pelican is almost dead, they are all good company 10 years ago. You can check who are the best selling flashlight on ebay, amazon etc. today. Clearly all MADE IN CHINA, AND CHINESE COMPANY. I am a veteran and patriot, But what I feel and see American is going down, Same as many American business. So, lets see how long surefire can hold. something going wrong in our system and conutry, Many us military gears are now again MADE IN CHINA, because they are cheap and again US,Military fund is down. Once they don't buy surefire, what happen? I am not saying surefire is bad, but If a 5$ flashight and perform 70% like a 50$ flashlight , what we pick?
+Domingos 60 lumens for a flashlight is a JOKE man..you're crazy. Surefire is WAY to expensive for what it is. ive had a klarus xt11 for 3.5 years now and an olight sr90 for 3 both held up to this day with more use than youd imagine. Recently purchased an xt11s and a nitecore mh20, not a single surfire light near the price point of those two would compare. It would be a joke to even try.
Have you seen the latest Surefire flaslights?But lets talk about tactical operations,i hope you know the diference between Candela and lumen,but i respect your opinion and you speak about two good brands: Klarus and Olight,Now ,plese tell me why most Swat teams all over the world use the Surefire and in many cases the Surefire G2 ,and not the new ones wilth the LEDs (wich are great) but they use the ones with incandescent light bulbs that Surefire continues to sell,do you know why?Do you know the colour what clour is more effective to our vision,or in scientific termilogy wave lenghts,each wave lenght is a colour.Let me suggest one experience:Get one surefire G2 with an incandescente bulb with 60 lumen and good batteries,now get one other flashlight that follows the F1 Standards/ANSI with 300 shine them in a mirror directed to your face in order to blind you momentarily,tell me the results .Imagine you are in a tactical situation or in your bug out or bug in site with your big lumen Klarus and Olight,do you know what will happen?As most of the colours in the walls of our homes are clear,the reflection factor would be huge,and i hope you know that there are tables for the reflections of light in diferent materials to use when you do a lighting project.A good Swat or seal team if they use a Surefire Fury or some Surefire light that goes to 500/600 lumen has to coordinate the light use between themselves,turn them on in diferente times for each member,do you know why?Because with the reflections of that so many lumens the all team would be easily engaged,if you speak about using your Klarus to point at the ceiling of a room it will light the whole área,man the Swat team would be visible for miles,did you know that the light in the most elite special forces are surefire ones with two simples and low visible red LEDs,do you know that navy ships and carriers light their decks with red ligt in order to keep their night vision,do you know green is for hunting and blue to read maps?Do you know that the light produced by the incandescente light bulbs is the only one that shows the real dimension of colours because as it is produced by a burning metal as a flame reproduces the colours as they really are,imagine you have a wound ,if you illuminate it with an LED you will nort see the real colours and aspects of it,do you know that the colour that gets our most attention is acombination between live yellow and green and that is why isn the colour used to paint ambulances from the state forces in European countries,and the ambulances from fire departments are red,and you cannot paint you car with that colours?And what about the resistence of the materials ,easy of use,and so on...why do that big maglites still sell so much today,both Led and incandescente,because they are great clubs...you wrote that i am crazy,do you still think that,if you want to search for a person in peacefull times ,walk your dog,light your house in an emergency you have made a great choice,and in fact you did,i am not saying that you are crazy,but people who comment on flashlights like me have a engeeniering degree in electricity ,electronics and light...image this,the normal number of lumens for a car Headlight os 700/800 lumen but how many lux hit the target surfaces(there are luximeters),pavement and sides,what is the science and materials inside the reflectors.An Example,i believe you know that the famous Lisa Kelly,the female star and world famous driver from the TV show Ice road truckers promotes the brand: "light force" ,the best you can get for your car,it is an Australian brand of headlights,when a professional driver,in this case a top driver and pilot chooses his or her light set,why do they choose a combination between LED and HID (a kind of incandescente on steroids)?Because light of the Leds will not illuminate all the things because some colours will not show up in your vision,it is like the sounds dogs can hear and you can´t,,imagine you are in a blizzard lighting your way with your Klarus and it is a Whiteout,than what if you do not have a tint of yellow?As the snow particles are like mirrors you will blind yourself.Do you know that if you use incandescente or others in museams you will burn the painting and it must be restaured more often because the only lightform that does not have the infrared wavelenght wich is the one that burns is the hallogen produced light so the best museams use hallogen lamps...did you watch that vídeo where mr gun and gear simply droped one thrunite to the floor and the tnhing went out,but thrunite is a very good brand,and maybe other would not crash and burn,do you think you can activate strob if you are scared..and what about EMPs ,do you still keep one or two incandescente flashlights,please subscribe the Surefire youtube channel,subscribe the elzetta channel(the owner will teach you a lot) and in the Surefire you will see how to use big lumne flashlights in tactical ways,they are still ahed,waht about the good combination between spot and flood?But of couse if i show up with a 60 lumen Surefire to a friends meeting and you apear with your Klarus and Olight i will be the crazy and you will be the hero. Iam Portuguese and i live in Portugal so i hope that my English is understandable.All the best to you ACE E.
If you bought a surefire, this video is incredibly offensive and you think it calls you stupid for spending so much for a wayyyy lower lumen light. And you can see that as of now, about 199 people dislike to about 215 likes. With that ratio you can assume either a ton of surefire's customers came to this video or the likely explanation that the ratio of people who disagree will stay near half no matter how many times its viewed. So this would show that surefire is actually doing well with many customers who are offended
I have 3 surefires… he’s not wrong. Haven’t bought a surefire in 10 years. For the price they are outperformed by others. Just checked surefire’s website for the first time in years. Their product line has been decimated. They dropped the ball on the led revolution.
I mean really, it's all a complete load of lies is what you posted: 1) Surefire flashlights are used extensively by military and police at least in the United States. 2) Just a simple set of parts, but significant quality. SWITCHES are one of the biggest failure points in flashlights. There is enormous difference in quality and reliably from the cheapest switches to the most expensive. Next is surface treatment for corrosion so that batteries always make a good contact. Next is high quality surface mount machines, good quality control, no manual soldering, etc. ... all add up to ensure your light turns on. 3) High Output -- Output is tuned for battery life and always a trade off. NO, YES NO LED flashlight has a replaceable bulb ...... that's just stupid ... sort of like you. You need a reliable and good thermal connection to the metal shell of the flashlight with a LED ... and that means LED not easy to change. 3000 people in your command ... sure ........ LUMILEDS started the LED flashlight market, not CREE. So why is Surefire good weapon light ... is it because they withstand vibration? .... why is that ... oh, better construction .... which makes more reliable. OH, and the Chevy Malibu is more reliable now than almost every Japanese car in it's segment with perhaps the exception of the Camry, but even that is not necessarily true any more. Bye loser.
hahaha.... i see you are very butt hurt by this guys opinion of surefire. I've seen people put olights and fenix on their gun and never had any failure. you're argument about the reliable switch is useless. wear is going to be different on every piece of equipment. i have an old fenix ld10 and haven't even needed to change the o rings or tailcap switch. I also have a streamlight pen light that I had to get replaced with the first week because after getting a little wet decided it didn't want to turn back on. everyone's experience is different. surefire makes quality but at an unreasonable price for the amount of lumens and/or candela. i get what he is saying. they dropped the ball and are struggling to get back up.
This dude is a joke. He can barely speak English. He needs to no what he is talking about before he spreads loads of bullshit. Surefire just renewed the contract with the military.
+Precogvision Everything he said is right. might help if you all actually understood what he means..Surefire lights are overpriced. also, for the money, some of their 2400 lumen lights are $1400! STUPID!
First ,surefire flashlight was mainly used for tactical purpose. 2 or 3 CR123 will deliver high output for good period of time which AA battery can't match . About rechargeable, Who have time to charge a battery when you're in emergency? Besides, output time will decrease significantly after certain number charging. Second, couple of hundred lumens will be sufficient enough to blind your enemies when pointing directly to their eyes. Having 2000 lumen flashlight, you will probably blind yourself in a dark warehouse before you can even see your enemy. Moreover, Surefire is slower than other brands in the competition of lumen because they want to make sure their flashlight can survive all the shock and abuse. Imagine after firing one bullet, your flashlight fail. It would be a disaster if your enemy know where you are and you can't see them.Most of surefire flashlights are tactical light, not search light.
First of all, come and think about it. When your fenix,nitecore and whoever lights those are, after a year or two, if youre lucky if you dont get a lemon from production, 1-2 years to its life, it fails. Will the company replace it? When the switch fails? The head unit fails? Will your fenix send you a replacement part without you sending the light to them and spending money on postage? Its not about the lumen and output. Its about the aftermarket warranty. And also its a straight forward light. If youre thinking of the tacticool strobe funtion of your fenix, okay goodluck finding it after 3-7 press on the button under stress and surge of adrenaline. No hate tho, tell me, does your fenix and nitecores etc, have an intelibeam technology? Hmmm guess not. Now that is advance in my book. But whatever it boils down to, whatever makes you happy, buy it.
Surefire is the Industry standard.
Surefire makes the BEST reflectors, I really admire Surefire flashlights and I TRUST them.
Agree'
I love this guy
+1 thumbs up 👍
Great video. Very in depth on the details of flashlight components.
I own many Surefire's and use them on my firearms best lights made on earth. Customer service is fantastic. I don't think they're hurting in the market place at all. All most all military law enforcement and other agencies use them.
C4commando And you spend a small fortune on all those lights ?
Michael J no sir I bought most on eBay for a fraction of the cost. Pennies on the dollar. I do own a limited edition Jetbeam Ti and it's great.
Love your video Dude....thank you for the info!
I agree with you. Surefire need to move to the next step to make a significant revolution for loyal customers like you and me.
Dude! You rock!
Ive had two of my four fenix flashlights fail under light use. I've also had my only nitecore fail and have to be returned. They're fine for playing with, but I won't trust my life to them.
It's dumb to trust on anything other than yourself (skills n knowledge).
Death is the only out come, if you mainly only trust your life on equipments and tools.
you're lying. I fenix it never failed on me
Totally valid points. Past 5 years surefire has been slow to respond to the market innovations. Thrunite TN12 perfect example. Hopefully surefire gets with the program soon.
I have 14 surefire lights. They're all awesome and I'd buy them all again, without question. I lost a P3x fury in about 10 feet of muddy river water. For 2 years, yes TWO YEARS, I was sick to my stomach about it. Miraculously, a dock building company employee found my flashlight when we had a large dock built. Two years underwater in the St. Lawrence river, the light works perfectly to this day when I take it to work. Believe the story or not, that sold me on surefire for life.
i am a jabroney and how do they know that's it's yours???
Lol 😆 🤣 cute story bro way way way better options for the price of surefire and streamlight in today's market im sure you have changed your mind acebeam imalent jetbeam nitecore fenix are the top quality brands of today thurnite sofrin emisar and metemico are a few of the best budget brand quality flashlights(DONT BUY OLIGHT THEY ARE DANGEROUS)yes in their hay day I loved surefire too my dad gave me a backup mv and I loved it but then I saw there was more out there that was more functional for what I needed I need instant nauseating strobe so when I turn it off it takes you a second to see that big ol .40 cal barrel!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Star Gazer1212 …. Curious what line of work would abuse gear like that?
Can you put a link to the previous video?
After watching your video, I’m still going to buy their new Edc2T.... lol. I have more than a few of Nitecore, Fenix, Five7, Klarus, while they are all great lights, I can’t seem to find customer service readily available. I remember a x200 I bought years ago when they first becomes available, it fail on the first range trip, bad tail switch. Called SF, they expressed a new switch to me, no question asked... yes they are expensive bc we are buying after sales service.
What is APS? I thought it is ASP, isn't it?
I own alot of flashlights...they are all Nitecore products...I love the EA 11..single aa/ 14500 battery puts out 900lm....great video 👍👍
Excellent ❗..Thank You very much for telling the truth ❗
He has a point. Also its worth noting 'quality' isn't synonymous with durability or toughness. Manufacturers want you to believe it is but it doesn't take an engineer to explain it.
i like my surefire lights, they are quality products that have held up quite well over the past decade.
love your video
Youre so brave man!! And you are telling the truth..thumbs up!
Thanks for a great informative video, keep telling the truth. I can understand why Surefire fan won’t like this video though :) Everyone is different & have their own opinions.
I've used SureFire for over 20yrs and I can't say I agree with your opinion. I tried a Fenix about 10yrs ago and it went kaput in about 2months and forgot about getting it repaired. SureFire on the other hand I sent my E2 Defender to them in Fontana, California after something I did to the light and they fixed it sent an extra bulb and sent back free of charge + they gave me a check for the insured postage
I spent sending down to them from Oregon. So .. I'm a #Surefire customer for life .
Speak the truth brother!
Great wideo!
just sent this to my good buddy dave, hope he likes it
what I want to see is nitecore and surefire taken apart and compared. I want to see what is done to surefire lights to make them so great. I spend $550 on an m&p 9mm. and a surefire is almost the same price. some people backing the surefire price, say is your life worth less then the surefire price tag? I feel surefire is over price and a lot of the people are just going with what others say and so they buy it.
Please ignore Surefires MSRP. Most of the products can be found at retail for 20-40% less than MSRP. Less than that sometimes if you shop around.
As far a $550 Surefire goes, that is on the high end of their product line. Yes I know they have $2000 lights as well, but a M&P would be the equivalent of a G2X or 6PX. An entry level gun with a really high end light. They don't compare well.
+slumberpass nothing about a Surefire flashlight is worth $550! .. especially when you can get a very bright Nitecore or Fenix light, way more lumen output for $300. and waterproof. please, explain what is so special about Surefire lights. why are they so expensive?
Lights-Guns-Outdoors Greed?
It's their brand you're paying for.
The CR123A batteries put me off Surefire . They were well behind the times !
To answer the spirited back and forth volley of insults of one brand, or another: The Best "X" is the ONE YOU like the most!
As a heavy equipment mechanic, I use a stinger everyday. I've dropped the stupid thing more than I can count and in 3 years of rough service, it works great and still bright. It looks beat to shit, but still works awesome!
Funny how this is 6 years old and streamlight and surefire are just now giving us 1500 and 2000 lumens and charging way way way to much for what they actually do
I'm in Europe. The switch on my Surefire failed after many years of use. I emailed them with a picture of the flashlight. Next week, DHL stopped infront of my house. They sent me a brand new switch free of charge. That is one reason, why the initial price if high for Surefire.
I have had multiple fenix and other Chinese lights over the years and they all have failed on me. My sure fires have not and have endured a lot of abuse. I have one 17 years old that runs excellent and others for years that still run excellent and out perform a lot of lights. Yes Olight and Fenix make much better cost to lumen ratios and are "techy" but when they quit on me my surefire is always brighter because its working. I honestly have nothing against any brand I'm just passing on what has been my experience on this topic. Cheers
anyone selling e2e executive elite?
I have several Surefire flashlights and weapon lights. They range from 350 lumens to 1500 lumens. They all serve a purpose and do it very well. I don't need 20,000 lumens. I need and want a light that will work every time and when it doesn't work, the company will warranty it.
only reason someone would choose an overpriced surfire over other brands is that its made in the usa. even 4sevens make better lights in the us and are cheaper.
?? In contrary. The "made in the USA" marking , would be the main reason to avoid a product.
4sevens are made in China. They have a US address just so they can say it's made in America. In reality, it's just assembled in the US.
I can't remember all the details, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
SF can be trusted, period. And when its fkg dark, I need to see, and thats priceless.
A lot of the Chinese flashlights can't stand the muzzle blast from a rifle!! When it mounted on a rifle.
Smiffer Smaffer they can now. Chinese light company's have surpassed surefire.
Ask any serious shooter! When it comes to their life being on the line, the only weapon light they will use a surefire !!! It's not about brightness or lumens. It's about when your military or law-enforcement and your life is on the line and you turn the corner and you push the button you know without a shadow of a doubt you're light it's going to work !!
way better than sure fire. i got a 15$ 300lumins light on my shotgun. blast it all fucken day. no issues
+Smiffer Smaffer Exactly"
Good video dude
Cree is an American company
Surefire aviator 250 lumens 2017 cost 300 dollars ahaahahaaaaaaaaa Paradox
What flashlight gets at least 500 lumens and close to 200m by using cr123a throw away non rechargeable batteries❓ I dont want to use rechargeable batteries.
I need it to fit and small enough to put in my front pocket ❓
I can only spend under $100.00
What would you suggest Sir..Thank You for your help.
latest version of surefire g2x or 6px went constant on 600 lumens on high with 180m or so throw, you can find them both under 100, both using cr123a, it's not small by any means, but still pocketable.
I used to be a surefire loyalist. Then I tried the klarus. Way brighter. I own 3 surefire flashlights. But I use and carry the klarus xt11gt. My surefire flashlights just collect dust now.
Anything POST PK is simply NOT a SureFire. End of Story.. Great video!!!
Well my friend I respect your opinion,,, BUT I have owned every 'top' end Chinese light and every one is broke and always end up back to my surefire that has taken a lot more abuse than all the others combined,so for and EDC or weapons light Surefire is the only light that you can depend on
great story
No, Surefire is high priced because of dependability not high lumen lol. I had 2 fenix which one broke under a year of use. One still works. I contacted Fenix and they did not want to warranty it. Surefire will warranty their light after 5 years. So, you tell me, what did Surefire lose? LOL
Fenix is bright yes, but they have a higher probability of failing on you at anytime when you need it most.
Maybe that's one reason Surefire has to charge so much up front, because they loose so much money on warranty work! Lol
When it comes to lights, always have a backup. Guns, too. ;-)
Personally, I really like Convoy and Eagle Eye. They are high quality, but are fairly inexpensive. Replacement parts are very inexpensive and redily available. If it breaks, it's easy to fix myself.
With some companies, if it breaks, it's a complete loss because they won't fix it nor will they sell the parts to fix it. I avoid those companies.
Surefires are guaranteed for life, not 5 years.
Surefire lost their market. Yes, the Fenix broke. So what? I've had broken Surefires too. But it cost me 1/4 to replace a Fenix than it does the Surefire, and the Fenix is brighter. So what if I break it? I buy new flashlights every two years. The bottom line is, people started buying lights other than Surefire. Whether you would or not isn't the issue.
Maniac742 the broken surefire is replaced for free though. So by the time you buy two Fenix lights you could have had a surefire
Sean H So are the Nitecores and Fenixes. The only difference is Surefire charges more.
good info
i agree with you buddy
ctfu this dude is a comedian
For a long time I couldn't understand why Surefire was so high and how the market was yanked out from under them. For me it's Nitecore and Olight.
Really? you spent a large mount of money for SF illumination tools. I am a Surefire Flashaholic as well. However, I just have 4 of them
its funny how a chinaman downing surefire ctfu
he has a good point,all hes saying is they are way over priced.$500 for a light is simply too much for what you get.I understand hardcore sof needing that 10% diffrence but for civis which are over half the market,cmon there not the only ones and there not bullet proof,save $400 and get ammo to train or a training class you will be much better off.plus look on ebay,its the iphone of lights.everybody selling to get the next best thing,aka dont buy the media or paid supporters buy a trully good light.tlr4=$100.
PRO self offense dumb fuck regual EDC lights are like $150 I bought eb1 eb2 and e2d for $150 each. Don't know where you got $500 from fucktard.
This guy speaks the truth
Are those alkaline batteries in that Fenix. Don't let them spill their toxic guts and kill that Fenix. The SF 6P rocks. Thick walls and reasonably priced. Add a good drop in and bingo. I prefer Fenix over the 3 chinese made bands named in the title.
for weapon lights I only trust surefire.
Ian Cornell You should rethink your opinion. Lights like the thrunite TN12 have changed the game.
Elzetta flashlights baby ..
Exactly "
@@__BERSERKER__ a tn12 on a weapon?? 12 guage or 308 battle rifle?
Try Armytek, way better.
I understand the point of this guy.He may be asian and now the Chinese make amasing lights for a good price so he defends their products and Surefire comes close to a hand gun or a shotgun in retail and many of these are US made.Surefire are way behind.Nitecore comes with a new model every two, three weeks.
The more lights models produce, less reliable after market service. Just like in mobile phones. Compare samsung to google phone.
Dont be confused by the lumens. You dont need over 1300 lumens in tactical use. I had a very nice build chinese flash light few months ago. 2200lumens when a big fire start behind a house i took my flashlight and run there the flashlight was useless. The very same day i throw it away and bought a nitecore tm03. Its2800lumens but trust me you cant use it in tactical mode. But build quality is good
I actually don’t like any current surefire lights because they are too bright. As leds become more efficient, you can either get more brightness/same runtime or same brightness/better runtime. One thing sure fire has always been good at it reflector/tir design. Getting the most out of the lumens available. I have an a2 aviator. Officially 50 lumens. It puts out a more useful beam than many 1000 lumen lights. I also have a maglite magtac. 325 lumens. Better than any 1000 lumen light. Because it’s a well engineered reflector. When I saw surefire start to enter the lumen war with overseas lights, I stopped buying them. Take the edclt2. 5 lumens low and 1200 lumen high. I’m not trying to flag down a passenger jet! It’s too bright for any practical use. Lower it to 300-400 and keep the same lens. And I’ll buy it again.
I will agree with you though. Their tactical promotional material is pretty gross. They’re selling to armchair warriors with neck beards
😆"surefive save my liefe"
Surefire wasn't slow to boost their lumen counts because they "didn't know what to do." Unlike those other manufacturers, they have a good reputation to uphold and aren't going to release anything without extensive testing. Also, heat kills LED's, so by making it all about the lumens these Chinese manufacturers produced low quality and overdriven lights that would quickly destroy themselves. Surefire builds their lights to last even if you use them hard, so they're never going to have the same brightness as a poorly designed gimmick light that only needs to look good on paper.
I agree with you, I'm tired of this "high lumen" flashlight over heating and burning my clothes when I put them away
All the guys hating in this video. This guy is exactly right. First I modified my 6p with a Chinese bulb. It worked awesome. Then I got a thrunite TN12 and it was like a game changer.
look at surefire technology today and the intelli beam to me surefire is the way to go
Intellibeam? You mean TIR lenses and multi-textured reflectors available in almost every brand of light offered today? Surefire can name it what ever they want, it's still old technology by the time they put it in a production product.
Tombs Clawtooth do your research. Intelibeam means it adjust its brightness relative to ambient light. Search before you act. Major rule of media literacy.
Tombs Clawtooth stupid ass
They did not lost sheet!
The Chinese versions do not handle the Tactical world... I worked in a Tactical Field for 35 years.. Let me explain.. One... Using any other battery other than a CR-123 will decrease your operational time....Two... Chinese models break down...Tail switches break...Bulbs burn out faster... Their Bodies are made cheap and do not take the test of time... You can talk until you are blue in the face and you cannot prove your gripe... Sure Fire is the best on the market for Tactical use... They are Dependable and the Chinese models are not...
lol! your brainwashed man! give me a fenix or thrunite anyday......surefires are washed up in the flashlight buisness.....overpriced snobbs did it to them selves....they cant even compete with whats out there now
doubleu dee Say what you wish... Over the years I have never once had trouble with any of my Surefire lights including a HellFire which has many hours on it. Nothing beats the test of time. If other cheaper brand Flashlights held up I would use them however I have never had one that did.. Thanks
drink the cool fucken aid. sure fire is American garbage. I have a china flashlight from 2006 . HID flashlight with rechargeable battery. 10 years later still ripping
RT CE look we get your esl and I have no doubt your chi com flashlight that you pull out of your junk drawer every couple of years works well for you, that's not what Surefire is made for. They are made for military and police use where conditions for usage are less than kind to equipment. If your life depended on the reliability of your flashlight no one in their right mind would trust a Chinese made anything.
And yet people still buy them, because they cost 1/4 of a Surefire, which means if you do break them they cost 1/4 to replace. And most people aren't elite operators. They're just having fun or defending their house. You can't sustain a market on operators alone. That's what, .0005% of the population? Not a great target demographic.
Fenix rust very fast. Then it will not work. Surefire uses way better materials.
I've read all the comments and understand how the world works. Here is a solution: That top part of the Surefire that you just screwed off, now that cartridge with the next evolution of LED, just export the cartridge to the US, make a deal with Surefire. Make sure the factory from where you source the LED's are reliable and you are in business. Think like Jack Ma. You will make loads of money indirectly from Surefire's contracts with the US Government and a strong brand in which everyone beliefs. Surefire will increase margin and everyone wins except the US consumer. He will still pay plus the import tax. But he doesn't mind because when he wants it, he needs it and he wants it yesterday. So everyone wins right 🙊🙉🙈
Its all true. I am a American and for the life of me I don't understand how Surefire has everyone fooled. Ill take a Fenix any day over a antiquated Surefire.
You like cheap products we get it. If that makes you happy cool. I'll stick with a quality Surefire or Elzetta.
o kay,so pk paul once worked for surefire,and he left! i wonder how the CRE comp.with there LED market is doing,supplying all the flashlights in the world with the LED's these days! as it seems there the ones making the profit these days.
Cree mostly make leds for interior and exterior lighting, not for flashlights. It's the flashlight industry that buys the Leds and repurposes them.
I will all ways trust Sure Fire, so much. That I’ve given my wife and son one. I’ve tryied all the newer cheaper lites. They DO NOT take the beating that Sure Fire does period. And they have saved my ass and life. I buy things according on if they have slave labour or not. And they have great customer serves. Sure Fire has both and provide American jobs. And by the way , what’s a 100 dollars if it saves yer wife or other family member from rape or some other violent crime. I do have a couple of First light torches . There great! but they cost a lot as well. But they do have IR mode with mult colour lites. And have that 90* lamp on it.
Ohh sit! You got frashlight?
lol my bad :-)
Well, Still he speaks better English than you speak Chinese. Or any other language for that matter.
Hehehe language impaired Americans. Can speak only English, And even that in a limited way.
Sam Pitt
Rery vell
Surefire has gone down in quality in their manufacturing process since P.K. left. I've been buying Surefire since 2006 and look at the L4, L5, L6 lights to the E2DL (200 lumen version) and the build quality is impeccable. Since 2013 the E2DL Ultra is playing catchup in lumens game but you'll see significant output drop after 2 minutes of continuous illumination. I see imperfections in body machining, screw down spring in the head vs the old rivet type, etc. These are all cheaper manufacturing processes. Still though Surefire is head and shoulder above others, it's more or less coming down to Fenix like quality....
I think i might have seen you from shoudian.org.......
The only Chinese-made flashlight I could rely on is Jetbeam, well-made and reliable.Fenix? Hell no! Quality that sucks!Nitecore? Not so tough.Olight? Maybe, 50/50.
Saiful Ikram Try Klarus.
Try Armytek, way better than Sure-dead-fire
what the heck? It has to be cheaper! Cheaper labor, cheaper components, cheaper plant, cheaper taxes, cheaper everything! Way to much bs in your comments bud! knock it off...
love your video! keep up the great work. surefire is pure over priced garbage
Then you've never used a Surefire.
U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.!
I don't care what people says, have my surefire p6 for the longest time and never failed on me, wouldn't settle for anything else but surefire.
Why settle for surefire when they're nearly at the bottom of the barrel? Elzetta at least makes an effort, with a 100% US made product.
Tombs Clawtooth wtf you say elzetta is 100% USA made well news flash buddy so is surefire.
Surefire makes a good product, but they're ridiculously overpriced, especially for what you get. When you consider that Nitecore and others make incredibly good flashlights at a third of the price, it makes you wonder why they continue to mark up their product so high.
@@METRIKxv1 Yeah, I'm a Nitecore guy myself.
Ive never had a Chinese LED fail, but the tail caps and poor metal alloy (stripped threads and corrosion) are no where near as durable. Thats the difference you pay for...
So if you are happy with your Chinese light, why do you need to come on here and trash Surefire? In my experience, Surefire does have a great warranty, their reflectors/optics are top notch, and their build quality is superior. They have historically underestimated their lumen ratings, and other companies overrate theirs. I have experience with Olight and Fenix and they are fine, but the build quality is definitely not as good. I also find the Chinese lights often have more complicated UI and more modes, strobes, etc. I don't want all that, just gets in the way. If you think Surefires don't look great on paper, double their lumen ratings and that's about what you're going to get, with great beam quality and usability. If you're using a cheaper light that claims 2,000 lumen, it's probably not really 2k lumen - and what is the runtime? Can you use it for more than a few min. without overheating the light or the emitter and shortening it's life? How can you use that much light inside without blinding yourself? Can it stand up to repeated drops? Recoil from a weapon? Water inside it? Are the electronics coated or potted?
Also it costs more to make things in USA, that is well known. Workers get paid more. Corporate taxes are high. Also what company with a lifetime warranty doesn't charge more? I'm not saying Surefire is perfect - they've discontinued some of their best products in my opinion. But they are more than they look on paper. And nobody ever broke their surefire dropping it 3ft onto pavement. Also they have models for well under $100.
Elzetta: "Say whut?!"
Surefire is like Apple phone no improvements lost market to chinese phones
are you 100% sure every word your saying??
dawanghaoa，hhh
Lol, so many butthurt Surefire fanboys on comments ...
This guy has it so wrong! Surefire used 1 cr123 battery and made 300 lumen but 800 candela. The Chinese made flashlights use two CR's or an 18650 battery making a claim 1200 lumen which is really 600 lumen and only make 400 candela. The Chinese made lights need three times the battery and only make half the power and produce more heat. This is why Surefire is the best flashlight in the world
You get what you pay for...I've seen way too many Chinese lights fail. You can tell the difference in quality just by picking up a Surefire and holding it next to a Nitecore, Thrunite, Olight, etc. Made in USA, virtually indestructible, best customer service I've dealt with for anything, simple UI (No BS strobe, beacon and other gimmick modes). I've owned some of all of them and there are several good Chinese brands, but that's just it, Chinese. Lower quality, cheaper components, lower tolerances etc. Surefire is by no means a front runner in terms of innovation, but if I want something reliable, especially if I trust my life with it, it's going to be a Surefire with primary CR123A SF batteries.
100% agree, lol! surefire is sure-dead-fire now, staying super low tech today and charging so much because they have a bunch of "gov contracts" lol. Forget it, you can also torture test nitecore and fenix and such and they are just as tough as a surefire. They are dead if the fan boy club is gone
MakHobby
They really aren't as tough.
just say no to made in china
too expensive and not competitive outdated
You must be PK Paul.what did surefire lost??Really??And now we do not know what is Surefire...i am an electronic professional,and by the way,output does not defines a flashlight,what about lux and Candela...yes now they have the same output but they do not fail like the others when dropped,their beam and reflector seems better and better adjusted to the human field of view and the effective range of possible battles ,in special CQB,you can feel the SUREFIRE metal is better...by the way,that first LED light that you Showed is still in production and it is the Inova X5 and not the X5 and it is at the Smithshoniam museam,yes,Surefire is full of fear of the Chinese ones....really??Surefire,Led .lenser and Elzetta seem to be the best,i never owned na Elzetta but the others like fenix,Inova,Nebo,Led Lenser and so on i did,let me teLl you a brand that is manufactured in China and with great quality flashlights,better then the one´s you mentioned in my view,5.11 flashlights are great but they are not Surefire,they loose in the lack of simplicity...a light to be used tactically or for self defense does not need more than 60 lumen,what about the flood,spill and so on?So Surefire people are liars?Well,heavy accusation ...another thing:a 3D or 4D Mag-lite can put you in dreamland do not even need the light to do that,they are Still Made and very good...Chinese are genious,man,Chinese produce with "slave" work the projects that are created by the genious from all the countries that work in the USA,look at the 5.11,Nebo and such,even Buck Knives produces their designs in China.I am Portuguese,not an US citizen.Ah,the Surefire G2 LED that you say that only produces 80 lumen,do you know for how long?Compared to the Fénix,how long does that fenix produces that output you show,what about the advantages of lithium batteries in regards to temperature changes...?I could say so much...what about the Luxeon Leds and the Nixias,and so??So,a flashlight is very simple,really?YES I DO SEE MILITARY USE IT... are the special forces wrong??The G2x Is Crap,WHAT??...to be an electrotechnical engineer like me it must have been super simple,like building flashlights??Do you know that Light and iluminations is a almost a science in his own?NITROLON IS NOT pLASTIC and inside the Nitrolon is a metal tube,by the way The Nitrolon models are Surefires...by the way look for MrGunsngear channel and the vídeo ThruNite vs Surefire 6PX,a good Mag-lite Led 2 D with only 134 lumen can concentrate more light than a 300 LUMEN LED -LENSER,DO YOU KNOW WHY?If you don´t, learn...!!AND RESPECT!!
+Domingos Thanks for your reply, I didn't finish all. Let me make my point, Most the American flashlight or tool or what not company today are either closed or all Made in CHINA.(same as the 800$ phone you using) inova is all down and MADE IN CHINA, streamlight is down and again MADE IN CHINA, Pelican is almost dead, they are all good company 10 years ago. You can check who are the best selling flashlight on ebay, amazon etc. today. Clearly all MADE IN CHINA, AND CHINESE COMPANY. I am a veteran and patriot, But what I feel and see American is going down, Same as many American business. So, lets see how long surefire can hold. something going wrong in our system and conutry, Many us military gears are now again MADE IN CHINA, because they are cheap and again US,Military fund is down. Once they don't buy surefire, what happen? I am not saying surefire is bad, but If a 5$ flashight and perform 70% like a 50$ flashlight , what we pick?
In that you are right
+Domingos 60 lumens for a flashlight is a JOKE man..you're crazy. Surefire is WAY to expensive for what it is. ive had a klarus xt11 for 3.5 years now and an olight sr90 for 3 both held up to this day with more use than youd imagine. Recently purchased an xt11s and a nitecore mh20, not a single surfire light near the price point of those two would compare. It would be a joke to even try.
Have you seen the latest Surefire flaslights?But lets talk about tactical operations,i hope you know the diference between Candela and lumen,but i respect your opinion and you speak about two good brands: Klarus and Olight,Now ,plese tell me why most Swat teams all over the world use the Surefire and in many cases the Surefire G2 ,and not the new ones wilth the LEDs (wich are great) but they use the ones with incandescent light bulbs that Surefire continues to sell,do you know why?Do you know the colour what clour is more effective to our vision,or in scientific termilogy wave lenghts,each wave lenght is a colour.Let me suggest one experience:Get one surefire G2 with an incandescente bulb with 60 lumen and good batteries,now get one other flashlight that follows the F1 Standards/ANSI with 300 shine them in a mirror directed to your face in order to blind you momentarily,tell me the results .Imagine you are in a tactical situation or in your bug out or bug in site with your big lumen Klarus and Olight,do you know what will happen?As most of the colours in the walls of our homes are clear,the reflection factor would be huge,and i hope you know that there are tables for the reflections of light in diferent materials to use when you do a lighting project.A good Swat or seal team if they use a Surefire Fury or some Surefire light that goes to 500/600 lumen has to coordinate the light use between themselves,turn them on in diferente times for each member,do you know why?Because with the reflections of that so many lumens the all team would be easily engaged,if you speak about using your Klarus to point at the ceiling of a room it will light the whole área,man the Swat team would be visible for miles,did you know that the light in the most elite special forces are surefire ones with two simples and low visible red LEDs,do you know that navy ships and carriers light their decks with red ligt in order to keep their night vision,do you know green is for hunting and blue to read maps?Do you know that the light produced by the incandescente light bulbs is the only one that shows the real dimension of colours because as it is produced by a burning metal as a flame reproduces the colours as they really are,imagine you have a wound ,if you illuminate it with an LED you will nort see the real colours and aspects of it,do you know that the colour that gets our most attention is acombination between live yellow and green and that is why isn the colour used to paint ambulances from the state forces in European countries,and the ambulances from fire departments are red,and you cannot paint you car with that colours?And what about the resistence of the materials ,easy of use,and so on...why do that big maglites still sell so much today,both Led and incandescente,because they are great clubs...you wrote that i am crazy,do you still think that,if you want to search for a person in peacefull times ,walk your dog,light your house in an emergency you have made a great choice,and in fact you did,i am not saying that you are crazy,but people who comment on flashlights like me have a engeeniering degree in electricity ,electronics and light...image this,the normal number of lumens for a car Headlight os 700/800 lumen but how many lux hit the target surfaces(there are luximeters),pavement and sides,what is the science and materials inside the reflectors.An Example,i believe you know that the famous Lisa Kelly,the female star and world famous driver from the TV show Ice road truckers promotes the brand: "light force" ,the best you can get for your car,it is an Australian brand of headlights,when a professional driver,in this case a top driver and pilot chooses his or her light set,why do they choose a combination between LED and HID (a kind of incandescente on steroids)?Because light of the Leds will not illuminate all the things because some colours will not show up in your vision,it is like the sounds dogs can hear and you can´t,,imagine you are in a blizzard lighting your way with your Klarus and it is a Whiteout,than what if you do not have a tint of yellow?As the snow particles are like mirrors you will blind yourself.Do you know that if you use incandescente or others in museams you will burn the painting and it must be restaured more often because the only lightform that does not have the infrared wavelenght wich is the one that burns is the hallogen produced light so the best museams use hallogen lamps...did you watch that vídeo where mr gun and gear simply droped one thrunite to the floor and the tnhing went out,but thrunite is a very good brand,and maybe other would not crash and burn,do you think you can activate strob if you are scared..and what about EMPs ,do you still keep one or two incandescente flashlights,please subscribe the Surefire youtube channel,subscribe the elzetta channel(the owner will teach you a lot) and in the Surefire you will see how to use big lumne flashlights in tactical ways,they are still ahed,waht about the good combination between spot and flood?But of couse if i show up with a 60 lumen Surefire to a friends meeting and you apear with your Klarus and Olight i will be the crazy and you will be the hero. Iam Portuguese and i live in Portugal so i hope that my English is understandable.All the best to you ACE E.
+Domingos fuck surefire. they are WAY overpriced! there are many weapons lights that put out light just as good and they cost way way less
If you bought a surefire, this video is incredibly offensive and you think it calls you stupid for spending so much for a wayyyy lower lumen light. And you can see that as of now, about 199 people dislike to about 215 likes. With that ratio you can assume either a ton of surefire's customers came to this video or the likely explanation that the ratio of people who disagree will stay near half no matter how many times its viewed. So this would show that surefire is actually doing well with many customers who are offended
I have 3 surefires… he’s not wrong. Haven’t bought a surefire in 10 years. For the price they are outperformed by others. Just checked surefire’s website for the first time in years. Their product line has been decimated. They dropped the ball on the led revolution.
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I mean really, it's all a complete load of lies is what you posted:
1) Surefire flashlights are used extensively by military and police at least in the United States.
2) Just a simple set of parts, but significant quality. SWITCHES are one of the biggest failure points in flashlights. There is enormous difference in quality and reliably from the cheapest switches to the most expensive. Next is surface treatment for corrosion so that batteries always make a good contact. Next is high quality surface mount machines, good quality control, no manual soldering, etc. ... all add up to ensure your light turns on.
3) High Output -- Output is tuned for battery life and always a trade off. NO, YES NO LED flashlight has a replaceable bulb ...... that's just stupid ... sort of like you. You need a reliable and good thermal connection to the metal shell of the flashlight with a LED ... and that means LED not easy to change.
3000 people in your command ... sure ........
LUMILEDS started the LED flashlight market, not CREE.
So why is Surefire good weapon light ... is it because they withstand vibration? .... why is that ... oh, better construction .... which makes more reliable.
OH, and the Chevy Malibu is more reliable now than almost every Japanese car in it's segment with perhaps the exception of the Camry, but even that is not necessarily true any more.
Bye loser.
hahaha.... i see you are very butt hurt by this guys opinion of surefire. I've seen people put olights and fenix on their gun and never had any failure. you're argument about the reliable switch is useless. wear is going to be different on every piece of equipment. i have an old fenix ld10 and haven't even needed to change the o rings or tailcap switch. I also have a streamlight pen light that I had to get replaced with the first week because after getting a little wet decided it didn't want to turn back on. everyone's experience is different. surefire makes quality but at an unreasonable price for the amount of lumens and/or candela. i get what he is saying. they dropped the ball and are struggling to get back up.
+trocha419 Watch his Part 1 video of this and you'll understand where he's coming from lol.
This dude is a joke. He can barely speak English. He needs to no what he is talking about before he spreads loads of bullshit. Surefire just renewed the contract with the military.
+Full Metal jacket 88 Yeah haha...couldn't agree more. Still funny af, so I watch him for the entertainment!!!
+Precogvision Everything he said is right. might help if you all actually understood what he means..Surefire lights are overpriced. also, for the money, some of their 2400 lumen lights are $1400! STUPID!
First ,surefire flashlight was mainly used for tactical purpose. 2 or 3 CR123 will deliver high output for good period of time which AA battery can't match . About rechargeable, Who have time to charge a battery when you're in emergency? Besides, output time will decrease significantly after certain number charging. Second, couple of hundred lumens will be sufficient enough to blind your enemies when pointing directly to their eyes. Having 2000 lumen flashlight, you will probably blind yourself in a dark warehouse before you can even see your enemy. Moreover, Surefire is slower than other brands in the competition of lumen because they want to make sure their flashlight can survive all the shock and abuse. Imagine after firing one bullet, your flashlight fail. It would be a disaster if your enemy know where you are and you can't see them.Most of surefire flashlights are tactical light, not search light.
First of all, come and think about it. When your fenix,nitecore and whoever lights those are, after a year or two, if youre lucky if you dont get a lemon from production, 1-2 years to its life, it fails. Will the company replace it? When the switch fails? The head unit fails? Will your fenix send you a replacement part without you sending the light to them and spending money on postage? Its not about the lumen and output. Its about the aftermarket warranty. And also its a straight forward light. If youre thinking of the tacticool strobe funtion of your fenix, okay goodluck finding it after 3-7 press on the button under stress and surge of adrenaline.
No hate tho, tell me, does your fenix and nitecores etc, have an intelibeam technology? Hmmm guess not. Now that is advance in my book.
But whatever it boils down to, whatever makes you happy, buy it.