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- The Kraken, a giant scratch built swappable flying wing gets equipped with an airsoft gun for some FPV air to air fun!
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Maybe we'll revisit this one someday :)
The FAA will make that hard tho.
But i really want to see this as well
I really want to see this again
Soon we need the kraken toe get back in
2022????
Please do
11:16 That's only true if the object you're shooting at is stationary. Both planes were moving at the same speed. The chase plane is moving and will hit the bebe's at the speed relative to your chase plane.. :-)
Yeah, I thought that too.
ikr i face palmed so hard
even BB's have air resistance
Brian Link thank you
Brian Link can I sub to you
The canceled momentum of the bullet would be made up by the trailing plane's forward momentum so the net momentum loss is zero.
+John Nelson yeah, but that's only if the bb hit the other plane.
The (small) loss of momentum and addition of light turbulence from wind and the wing itself would destabilize the bb and it would veer off... becoming completely inaccurate past a couple of feet. I don't know how strong that battery fed auto airsoft gun was, but generally they don't have a very high velocity... especially if they are using lighter bbs, which are inaccurate in the best of circumstances.
+Magical Fungi Considering the Airsoft gun appeared to be an inexpensive walmart gun, I would imagine it probably didn't shoot any harder than 200 feet per second.
Maxwell Ryan yeah, i'd assume the same. Doubt they would use a gun powerful enough to actually hurt the other craft.
But i would :)
Yeah but its trying to do it that's what counts
+Magical Fungi The paintball moves faster than the two aircraft, therefore it will gain a (reduced) opposite momentum but will "see" much less air friction than on the ground, so in constant flying speed it will reach the second plane much faster, with a bigger impact, not smaller. If the planes do a sharp turn though during shooting, precision will be affected a lot.
What if you make a foam plane (which you already did) and replace the airsoft gun with a water gun filled with acetone. This will desolve any foam on contact causing extreme damage to the aeroplane.
It wouldn't work. Water guns are made from High Density Polystyrene, which dissolves really quickly in acetone.
The acetone would atomise and vaporise very quickly and it doesn't have the density of water so would difficult to maintain a sharp jet. Nice fire hazard though :)
It's unlikely to vaporise at altitude. And a sharp jet is not always wanted for a gun turret, a little bit of spread is required to actually allow for accurate firing.
Acetone filled paintballs?
Next time just attach a real .22 cal, we wanna see them taken out for good. ;D
make a spitfire and a Bf 109 with airsoft guns and film a dogfight :) i think you guys are able to do that,would be awesome
yas
Oh yeah
FW190!
bernisweltredsun f
Fw 190 is a bomber hunter.
Epic scene at 6:17 and then "I'm shooting at you" at 6:34 Love the sense of humor you guys have!
you guys should mount the gun in a fixed position, then do FPV dogfights... that would be SO COOL
This shows how the rear gunners had such a hard job shooting down incoming fighters!
Fantastic vid guys, so much fun.
Now what you MUST do is build a B-25 Mitchell Bomber (American WWII bomber) and have the sides, rear, bottom, and top turrets be fully functional and then have the bomb bay loaded with bags of powder or some thing that explodes easily. then have a designated hit area on the ground as if your doing a mission. Build/ modify some (German Fighters) Messerschmitt and try to make them shoot down the bomber and have the bomber try to bomb an area and survive and have the bomber shoot back.
Adam Chvala it should drop paintballs
Now all you need to do is get this hooked up to an Oculus Rift :3 1 Trigger and the movement of your head moves the turret.
Loved this! More dogfights, airsoft turrets, etc. Super fun and exciting!
The amount of wow for this find is unspeakable
The airsoft rounds are still just as powerful in the air between aircraft, the relative projectile speed is the same, as both aircraft are flying at same speed.
correct
the problem was the power of the walmart BB gun, its only about 175fps or so.
Airsoft wargame gun shoot at 300-400fps so yeah, but it was fun to watch! :D
Then explain to me why aircraft ammo in WWII had extra velocity?
That isn't how momentum works.
Care to explain?
Adam Chvala Sure. Speed is relative. Imagine there is a gun mounted on an aircraft and this gun fires it's rounds at a speed of 3,000 feet per second. The rounds always travel at a speed of 3,000 feet per second relative to the point they originate from - in this case, the moving aircraft. If the aircraft is traveling at 500 feet per second and the gun fires forward, that bullet is now traveling at 3,500 feet per second relative to the ground. If it fires in reverse, the bullet is now traveling at 2,500 feet per second relative to the ground.
However, if two aircraft are traveling at the same speed - say, if one is chasing the other and shooting at it - then to both of those aircraft, the rounds are traveling at 3,000 feet per second and in effect the aircraft are "stationary" relative to one another. If the front aircraft shoots back at the rear aircraft, the speed of the projectile relative to both aircraft would still be 3,000 feet per second. The front aircraft may be traveling forward, but so is the rear aircraft - this cancels out any "momentum" that the round may have.
Relative to the ground is a different story. If the plane were traveling fast enough as to completely negate the speed of a rear-fired bullet, the bullet would land on the ground at around the point it was fired from. However, to the person on the jet from whence the bullet was fired, it would appear normal - that's because the ground and everything behind it are moving away from you as fast as you are traveling forward.
Einstein's Special Relativity, Reference Frames, etc.
NeuroticLobster Ah. Thank you.
NeuroticLobster You're forgetting about atmosphere though.
AwkwardCheeseIsAwkward Please elaborate, that wasn't really enough to go on.
Your videos got me into RC plane building, although I'm still a novice I hope to be able to build amazing things like you guys do!
That was great! Nice job by David!
Actually the explanation about the bullets is WRONG! yes, momentum may be cancelled when shooting backwards, but since the other plane is moving forward at the same speed than the first one, momentum is reacquiered... Evenmore, airspeed is not dragging the bullet, thus the muzzle speed is mainly conserved at impact. Shooting forward is the hard way since the bullet has to overcome both its own speed and the airspeed.
A more reasonable explanation about bullets not catching the plane is the shape of the wing: it shows such a "slope" to the bullet that the bullet itself gets "reflected" bouncing on the wing. But a further explanation is that since airsoft bbs are so light, they may get stuck into an airstream, floqing with that stream over the wing, without touching it. The same effect can be seen in bugs not crashing into the windshield of a car. Most bugs get crashed on the lights and the front panel, but only a few (denser ones) get crashed on the windshield.
the applepi 3.14
a bit complex to explain...I study Architecture but my heart is on engineering and science overall. I always look for the correct explanation...
What about you?
the applepi 3.14
Go for it! I envy you... My very first passion is flight. I'd love to learn hanggliding... so good luck and nice to meet you
the applepi 3.14 Thanks for following...but for now I can't handle a "famous" channel. Studying keeps much of the time...but soonner or later I've gotta upload some works about compressed air engines and related.
Do you have a channel? I didn't find it
the applepi 3.14
Seems like YOU should upload that because AFAIK there is not a single theory about lift. I love airplanes but the deep understanding of flight is beyond my studies. Someday maybe I'll take some time and get a degree on aeronautical engineering.
And btw 500mph is like 804kmh if I'm not wrong... Wasn't there an old WW2 airplane capable of that with just an old V12 engine? And evenmore, what is exactly a jet? Do you count a turbojet driven propeller as a jet? (not sure if I'm making a mess of mistakes here...)
the applepi 3.14
Let's go in parts... First I have to say I'm not English nor from USA, so please what's EDF? XD yes, should have asked before.
As you say, a supersonic propeller would have a constant sound barrier. there were some planes like that, and they were damn loud but the propeller didn't break. It vibrated so much that it actually had too many problems overall. (search loudest airplane price)
The theory I heard was something like a mix between air particles colliding against the lower side of the wing (thus causing an upward force to the wing) plus a differece in air pressure due to bernouilli effect (the classical theory revisited)
So that explains things like a wing still generating some lift when airflow over the upper side is broken, which theoretically would produce an immediate stall.
For RC aircraft everything should apply the same, but due to the smaller scale some things affect less or more. Maybe you know the following, but just in case... e.g.: you blow a small stone (1x1x1 cm) and let's say you blow at 10mph... the stone spins and flies off. When we scale things 10 times we have a rock of 10x10x10cm, and a wind of 100mph. With the small stone, surface area against the wind was 1 square cm, and mass was let's say one unit. On the big rock wind multiplies by ten. lenght gets the same, but since area is lenght*lenght, area multiplies by a hundred! So we could say that the rock would fly 100/10=10 times faster than the small rock (surface/wind). BUT...mass multiplies by...1000!! so 100/(10*1000)=0,01 The big rock is 100 times harder to blow than the small one (all supposing I haven't mistaken, but the truth is stone blocks don't get blown on a hurricaine)
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The only reason the bullets didn't make any real marks, is that it was a cheap crappy wallmart version.
If they had put a version 2 airsoft gearbox with a 6.03mm tight-bore 60mm long brass barrel with up to 400fps, it would of chewed that attacking kraken!
Then again, i dunno if these planes could carry a AEG gearbox, probably be too heavy. ah well....
12treeGoldfisher haha. Maybe!
But imagine how much cooler it is to see some real damage? :p
I don't think the weight would be very good, if you put in a full metal version 2 gearbox with a full metal miracle barrel(because that would be the best), would probably be as much as a whole gun, I mean if you made it a flying gearbox now that would be cool! I think before we can merge airsoft and rc planes we have to first make bb shower bombers, thats the idea I want to try and bring to life...
littleferrhis BB shower bombers?! I like your thinking!
What we should do is have a "bomb" that release BB similar to a tornado BB grenade device that will spin and spray BB's in a wide area when triggered by a time delay, wire or even drag-line delayed parachute set to specific altitude.
Preferably just about 3 metres.
Maybe when add a percussion bang to go off to mark where it fell..... :D
littleferrhis flying gear box....
If flitetest can make a toaster and a concrete cinder block fly, I'm pretty sure they can do that too!
But if we are going to do that, might as well make it a warthog A-10 flying BB gun with rotating multiple barrels along the length of the plane! :D
xD
MORE!!!! This was awesome .
That was awesomely fun to watch. I like the ingenuity. Let's get KRAKEN!
next time use flamethrower
Great idea
I dont think that would work because of the wind
It might
Bobby he'll have to put it shooting backwards
it has been tried before in real life *shrug* search up he111s with flamethrower
The pellet would indeed be losing the speed of the aircraft its fired from (if shooting behind) BUT the target is also flying at the same speed forward so that would cancel out the loss of speed from the first plane.
Yeah, you're 100% right but the BB was traveling slow before it hit the plane, so any that landed on top of the plane would glance off and not really get the bonus of the target plane moving forward.
what do u mean the bb was traveling slow before impact? The bb would have been moving the same speed if i stood one meter from you and shot you with it. It would indeed have no speed gain from the plane like you said though.
Nitris Well when the BB is fired from the back of the plane it does lose a lot of it's velocity, but like you mentioned the plane that the BB hits is moving fast as well and if a plane moving at, say, 200 FPS hits a stationary BB, it's just as though a BB at 200 FPS hits a stationary plane.
You already said this and obviously the BB is still moving fast and is not stationary but if a stationary BB was hit by a plane moving 200 FPS at a really shallow angle ( like on top of the wing ), the BB would barely do anything to the plane because it was basically just deflected off of the plane.
Sorry if I am being really confusing.
this is one of the coolest videos I have seen.
One of my favourite Episodes so far guys! Keep up the good work with these awesome challenges. Really 'inspirational and educational' whilst looking so much fun :D
I think your hypothesis about why there were so few hits needs a revision. The cancelled momentum is irrelevant because in a dogfight it's all about relative speeds. If anything, the air rushing 'backward' with respect to the gun would help its cause.
My guess is that the shape of the wing helped protect the plane. With wind rushing over the wing to create lift, coupled with the nearly horizontal angle of fire, the bullets couldn't hit. It's like a force field of air.
Please please please make more like this!
1i1
+DanAzin That is not pretentious of him.
Lol angry
when you consider both aircraft are flying at the same relative speed, the BB will hit just as hard as though you were not moving.
Oh, where’s Albert Einstein when you really need him?
Really fun episode guys well done
So much potential - could be really effective in the right hands! Good job guys!
Want to hear a bunch of Drunks fly RC? Go to setting button in right hand corner of You Tube video and change the speed to .05. I LMAO watching the flying segment in slow motion. I don't know who sounded like he was toasted the most, David or Josh. Give it a try and you will find yourself cracking up. PS. Great way to watch flying segments too.
Do a proper dogfight next! Front mounted ASG
Still love these old videos
From the Country Down Under, love love love this and the WW dogfight, you you guys are just bloody awesome.
its like watching 2 insects trying to mate in mid air.
Lol
Imagine a polar star on that :0
Oh, and you think this plane would carry the tank? =_=
Edouard Duhamel [BlackJackAirsoftTeam] If it's big enough yeah.
TheWrangler48 or you could ditch everything but the gearbox, the barrel and a tiiiny tiny tank. the main weight is the huge tank and the gearbox, and we cant reduce gearbox weight.
That would be cruel and unusual!
Guys, uare amazing. U make planes manufacturing and flying so easy. No doubt, you have a very special gift in yourselves. Great channel.
loved this one need part 2 and 3 .
Please make a balloon obstacle with this airsoft gun on a plane but facing forward flying fpv. Whoever pops the most balloons win. This would be fun to watch.
I want to build one tbh.
A dropship-gunship that fires paintball pellets and can drop off RC APC's
No. Choppers are weak, go big!
I love the kraken videos it looks like a fun wing to fly. I really love wings and would like to have a kraken for myself.
ROFL "in the face?" that was great and these vids are awesome! subbed
All the airsoft fans are dissapoint at that cheap gun.
so dissapoint, much sad
such necropost
DayDreams necropost much?
Loh Jia Hung yes. Im surprised this post has been kept alive so long with 3 comments.
Catwithanm16
Mark Saltzman u wot m8
Since the plane your shooting at is the same speed. the velocity of the bb should be the same if it hits.
I love it guys! I can't watch one episode with laughing out loud and scaring my daughter. Thank you guys and keep up the great work!!
Hey, nice job! That was some pretty tricky flying!
"Next time we revisit this" -Josh
2 years later
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It's like a HO229 German ww2 jet, with a gun on it.
HO229 bomber.
Noice.
Horton hos are cool
AWESOME VIdeo. Cant wait for the buld video and the plans.
I mentioned this idea about sticking a mini airsoft gun on a fpv to shoot at another fpv plane long time ago! Finally u guys pull this off thnks!
the kraken looks like a twin engine bomber with a tail gunner
I hate to say it david but your physics was right if you were shooting at a stationary target but considering both planes were moving at basically the same speed it is the same as them both being still, the plane moving would slow down the bullet but the other plane would also fly into it making up for the lost speed. Probably you lost a lot of speed or power because of the wind and maybe not as much penetration into the foam because of the wing shape it hit at an angle and bounced off. Good show guys always enjoy it thanks!
If both planes are moving at the same speed, then relative to each other, they are motionless.
Yea thats what I said just summed up in one sentence better!
Sorry if I came off prudish! I was just trying to clarify.
However, Velocity is still lost from the forward momentum, and if relative to each other, they are motionless, then the BB would hit the plane at the same speed that it left the barrel.
You guys are AWESOME!!!
You guys are awesomely NUTS! I think you have a great show and channel. Keep up the fantastic work.
I don't need your machine gun I have a pen!
-David
Momentum is cancelled relative to the ground,but to the following plane which have the similar speed would still about the guns original speed.
What a wrong sentense
Love the train in the background.
Great job guys
make a flying rv to scale similar to the one on space balls
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!
NEXT AIRSOFT BATTLE COMMON
ROUND 2 BABY!! Let's turn those guns around!
U guys rock, but ur bb shooting backwards theroy is offf.
You guys should find a way to use a paint ball gun you would get better results
But heavier I think
Definitely need a round 2!
loving it guys....subscribed...
I point airsoft guns at people all the time... I also shoot them .. kinda the point of it all eh?
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Makes sense to me.
You're aware that in pointing an Airsoft or other BB / Pellet gun at an individual, it falls fully under the regulations of a full fledged firearm and you could be charged with assault with a deadly weapon right?
Scott Halbert not if they're consenting dumbass
Alaska Waite
Consenting or not, the law is the law. These guns if they exceed 500 fps must be registered as a firearm and pointing one at someone else, consenting or not if seen by LE will land you in jail with charges of assault with a deadly weapon assuming they don't shoot you on the spot. "Dumbass" Learn your laws surrounding the "toys" you play with because regardless of whether the person you're shooting agrees or not, when the cops roll up and see you shooting someone else, you're in the wrong on the spot because they don't know about your "Agreement".
Ignorance is NOT an excuse, it's just pure stupidity.
6:17 OH SHIT! You guys used that music before Rick and Morty did!
@@dynapimp886 The beginning sounds exactly like rick and morty
That looked like alota fun!
I think you did well as the gunner. Both in the US and Germany it was estimated that only 2% of ammo fired actually hit the target in air to air combat, and many of the pilots had lots of training.
enemy counter uav spotted
They should have done this with 5.59mm paintballs.
***** 5.59mm paintballs are fired out of airsoft guns, not paintball guns. No additional weight and much greater visibility on impact marks.
Jacob Landry they should have a 3.57 magnum on that shiz
Why stop at a .357? Why not make an RC plane to carry a .50 M2? It would be great for when you need to take out a plane and suddenly launch your own RC plane through the sound barrier whilst flipping wildly out of control.
that was awesome guys
11:22
The projectile is travelling in the frame of reference relative to the speed of the armed plane. So long as the plane behind you is travelling a similar speed the relative velocity does not affect the shots as you say.
Lol the 200 fps Walmart gun.
They should put higher fps guns on their instead of cheap maybe 100 fps ones.
very cool vid keep them coming
That was awesome!
What he said about the canceling out of the speed of the rounds is completely irrelevant. The planes are flying at the same speed so the strength of the shot hitting the other plane will be equal to if they were both not moving.
***** Yeah, well the air drag would slow down the bbs although that aircraft is designed for very low drag. Also air will circulate around the target and the surface is very angled and the profile of the target is tiny so shooting will be very difficult, however im sure that the phisics is the same: 50m/s bb - 100m/s + 100m/s = 50m/s
***** Maybe, but the point is that they said the speed of the plane would cause the round to loose all its power, which is technichly true however since the other plane is moving toward it they make up for each other. What they should do is mount the gun forward then have the planes coming at each other head on. In that case the net kenetic energy would be the speed of both planes and the gun all combined. I think. Go watch the mythbusters on 2 cars hitting each other, they explain it.
***** Well,
1. Drag will cause air to circulate behind the plane, which slows the round down and pulls it downward. (The fusulage causes a large part of drag so this plane will have very little drag)
2. Hop up increases when facing a headwind because the round has stronger lift it also pushes the round so it will fly high and short. It decreases when the wind is behind because the air is moving with the round giving it less to lift off of, however the wind pushing it. I like to fire with the wind behind me because I find it more natural to have less hop up.
***** if anything, the relative speed of the BB will INCREASE, since the air flow is in the same direction
***** care to elaborate?
They sell Airsoft BBs that are actually 6mm paintballs, so you should use those next time to see where you hit the other Kraken. Here's the link to buy them: www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=24175
this would be cool
***** I doubt they would. I've seen that Airsoft gun on several online stores, claiming to shoot at only 120 FPS. Low-power Airsoft guns (Such as spring and electric pistols) can handle them alright. It's the higher-power spring rifles, CO2/Propane pistols, and electric assault rifles that would be jammed by these BB's.
This, plus the scratch built bomb drop mechanism? I'd say that'd make for some fun scenarios! Perhaps against a tri/quad/hex gunship? Imagine the fun you could have!
air-soft, nice. looks really good with fpv. needs two servos and a faster motor.
not more power, but more rounds per min. makes it easier to see where youre pointing.
You know what sad...
The video has 1mil+++ views and they don't even have have that at the time of this comment
+Pretzil295 That comment should be nicknamed project "CZcams Breaker"
Awesome, yeah maybe a paintball gun be better
+INMERSO A decent airsoft SMG would have been better.
nurvanuh
+Mikael Stubb for this it is better but airsoft games are definitely better
Definitely a Paintball gun for sure...that would be so cool!!!
Mikael Stubb omg
Awesome video guys. It was very entertaining. Innovation saves the nation. Dream B!G
love the shirt bixler
use paint balls next time that would work better
Not possible, too heavy for the kraken to carry, they couldn't even put a wargame usable CO2 airsoft pistol on it, only a cheap walmart kid safe version.
The low quality bbs... people calling bbs as bullets.... what is life??
To address 11:16 like other people are, the bebe gun and ship have equal velocity. For his statement to be true, the plane would have to be moving as fast as the gun at a stationary position could shoot. The air around the plane however does not share momentum, so the pellets from the bebe would encounter a higher level of air resistance, which would kind of provide the same effect.
The 'Blind High-five' was priceless!
They should stop insulting David for being Swedish.
Whoa, CZcams added a sound when you like a comment.
same when you dislike it :D
Great job, guys. Thanks for doing all that you do, and inspiring so many (like myself) to get into the hobby. You're amazing.
How did you get on with your new found hobby, did you get a plane in the air?
@@lewismo1 yes, and have many times since. I enjoy drones a little more than planes, but don't currently have a plane since I crashed it a few months ago (it was fantastic!)
People will go to amazing lengths just to say "Release the Kraken". :-)
It looks like you guys have A LOT of fun filming these episodes. Keep up the good work.
Very cool,looks great fum
Too cool...Love you vids!!!!
i wonder why people dislike ur stuff....they r awesome.....
my two most favorite things in one video
About the "momentum":
Sure it loses the velocity of the plane flying forward (and therefore momentum because it's proportional to velocity) however because the plane behind is flying at the same velocity it doesn't make a difference, it's as if the planes are shooting at each other when they're stationary. However yes obviously the bullets would have more velocity (and therefore momentum) if the guns were faced forward.
Fun video :)
Why is this channel so cool? Idk anything about flight I'm a hockey player.
What a cool video guys....
"The Face" is so awesome! :D