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  • @GaidenDS10
    @GaidenDS10 Před rokem +586

    Honestly I’m no professional artist myself but using AI art as portfolios I believe is pretty much disgusting just to fool businesses and deceive impressions compare to others who put their blood, soul and sweat into their creativity.
    This is why a lot of artists I see online hated it as much what the situation is going now on artstation.

    • @defaulted9485
      @defaulted9485 Před rokem +32

      Thank you man.
      It's heartbreaking to figure that people are now wasting their trust on company lies just because it's "Cost effective" to let fraud and racketeers profit off honest people.

    • @andrewrules231
      @andrewrules231 Před rokem +4

      @@shreeeze no different than a woodworker displaying somthing made with a cnc machine times change tech improves. i would argue that using photo shop isnt art as your already using ai to do all the heavy lifting. get over yourself

    • @andrewrules231
      @andrewrules231 Před rokem

      @@shreeeze HA! everyone of you are the same job a graphic designer thats what this outrage is really about a bunch of photo shop hacks that call themselves artist shaking in your boots. better learn to code or pick up a shovel

    • @Mr.Universe
      @Mr.Universe Před rokem +29

      @@andrewrules231 "i would argue that using photo shop isnt art as your already using ai to do all the heavy lifting. get over yourself"
      ...That is not how photoshop works...

    • @edwinchenoweth4251
      @edwinchenoweth4251 Před rokem +3

      ”I can do this really hard thing well” except it is no longer hard and a toddler can do it. This won’t be the first time a trade has been made obsolete by technology and it won’t be the last. I don’t think AI art will completely erase the market for handmade art but I do think most people employed as Artist will be out of work in a few years.

  • @LongXue
    @LongXue Před rokem +1413

    Charlie made one thing wrong, it is now affecting commissions. He might be right on artists who already made a living out of it and has followers, but for small time commission artists when they are already having a hard time getting clients then add the fact that there are already people who thinks "I can just use Ai to do this commission instead of paying someone".
    tldr; for commissions, the big ones aren't really affected right now, but the smaller artists are already feeling it.

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem +52

      Walmart has employees and they have self checkout. The customer can choose which to use, employees don't stop existing because self checkout is an option. Some people prefer the convenience of self checkout. If the employee can't match the speed and efficiency of the self checkout, we don't destroy the self checkout stand.

    • @Eventualmoss315
      @Eventualmoss315 Před rokem +277

      @@CypherDND I don’t think you read the comment completely, and also here’s a counter point. The self checkouts make Walmart have to hire less people to scan groceries and other stuff, which can leave people being laid off. Leaving them without pay.

    • @Crix525PR
      @Crix525PR Před rokem +261

      @@CypherDND This is so stupid. Walmart employees don't give a shit as long as they get paid. Artists have to build a following and put in thousands of hours. AI is feeding a machine with art that could even include your own, and you wouldn't get paid while the pirates make a profit.

    • @symonheiloguu
      @symonheiloguu Před rokem +116

      @@CypherDND Very different situations. The A.I needs to feed from information to generate more information, in which means it needs to feed from existing art to generate art based on that, the whole art industry comes from artists themselves, without artists, there's no art, there's not this thing of "Oh if it faster, then it's better", it can't be applied to art.

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem +21

      @@Crix525PR Is an art student studying art on deviant art publicly, or in a museum, pirating when they draw something in the style of what they studied? Thats all training is.

  • @meat-circus
    @meat-circus Před rokem +784

    Decade long artist here: AI art isnt bad because its AI generated, its bad because the companies behind the AI are stealing art to feed into the algorithm without the original artist's permission. Often these AI cost money to use, and give no monetary value to the people who's art was trained on. It is stealing. I dont think they will replace *real* artists.

    • @davidlazerz8564
      @davidlazerz8564 Před rokem +52

      So art students are bad for studying famous artists and "stealing" their art styles? Real AI art programs simply study patterns and trends, then combine them in novel ways according to prompts. Studying styles and making something new based on that style is not theft, its art.

    • @nox6687
      @nox6687 Před rokem +247

      @@davidlazerz8564 No, that's not even the argument they're making and you're also just wrong. When humans study something that is emulation, when AI learn something that is replication. AI learns to recognize and repeat patterns found in its training data, training data that is taken from people without their knowledge or consent, imitating their works and selling it for a profit, which is the problem OP has.

    • @squakke
      @squakke Před rokem +34

      ​@@nox6687That's what humans do though?

    • @nox6687
      @nox6687 Před rokem +166

      @@squakke Not at the heart of it. Human beings study and emulate by learning and understanding the aspects of the artists they look to; the anatomy, shading, line weight, etc. while AI just copies it. Say if an AI is fed a hundred pictures of heads all lit from above it wouldn't be able to make a face lit from the side or below, while a human artist could. This is because the AI doesn't actually know what lighting and shading is, it just recognizes that this or that area tends to be darker or lighter and does the same. A human is able to understand how lighting works and is thus able to apply that knowledge to new and varying situations.

    • @onkarlally
      @onkarlally Před rokem +109

      @@squakkethe difference between humans doing art by studying other art and ai doing the same is that the ai is directly taking the data it’s fed and modifying it to match the prompt, whereas an artist puts their own vision into the art. It’s the difference between looking at the Mona Lisa and drawing something similar vs tracing the painting and then adding a mustache.

  • @TheLucasantos456
    @TheLucasantos456 Před rokem +477

    Most artist just want the AI stuff to be properly categorized. And to the those who are using the argument:"Oh but you can't fight against the camera technology just because it makes a picture more realistic than your drawing, so you can't ban the AI". And I do agree with that statement, but that's not the problem, the problem is just with those two medias being treated the same way. Imagine if you enter a competiton of who can draw the most realistic portrait, and the winner is someone who just took a photo. It wouldn't be fair right? Same thing with the AI. Right now, people are actually winning art competitions with AI genereted stuff. So I do think art plataforms should diferenciate one from another.

    • @dv3d
      @dv3d Před rokem +37

      Perfect argument here

    • @kusog3
      @kusog3 Před rokem +35

      Sadly, that's not really how the public views the current situation. They don't know how the AI works and just the bare minimum of the AI stole art from artists to make mixed art. When most of the training data came from stock photography and art is just a small section of it. It's the reason the AI is actually good. The AI only uses the styles it learned from art and is capable of applying it to real world subjects it learned from.
      Also, the model is actually only 4 GB, when the training set is around 5 billion images. That's why there's no actual image on the model, but simply it's understanding of the 5 billion images.

    • @dv3d
      @dv3d Před rokem

      @@kusog3 Ai is good! czcams.com/video/Fbc1Xeif0pY/video.html

    • @xynonners
      @xynonners Před rokem +18

      @@kusog3 people are parroting that ai is essentially an algorithmic engine that finds images on google, then glues them together. Those types of takes are just idiotic and don't represent how it works at all.

    • @Waffle4569
      @Waffle4569 Před rokem +3

      Realistically, how do we expect AI content to be categorized though? There will always be people who try to pass AI art as human art. You can try to train an AI to identify what art is AI generated, but imagine how bad a false flagging would be if it forcibly tagged human art as AI.

  • @jamesferry6717
    @jamesferry6717 Před rokem +267

    If using AI makes me an artist then I'm a guitar virtuoso for playing guitar hero and a professional dancer for playing dance dance revolution.

    • @marethyu31
      @marethyu31 Před rokem +69

      Guitar hero and dance dance Revolution require much more effort than ai image generation

    • @RudiTheMan
      @RudiTheMan Před rokem +12

      There is effort to being a good player than just typing shit on prompt and hope the AI didn't come up with something already out there,

    • @Acid31337
      @Acid31337 Před rokem +2

      You can cry however you want. But harsh reality is that many artist would lose their income source.

    • @lemonadeenjoyer7111
      @lemonadeenjoyer7111 Před rokem +21

      @@Acid31337 what's the point of this comment.

    • @Nasoko-q7d
      @Nasoko-q7d Před rokem +7

      @@Acid31337 no shit Sherlock 😱

  • @michaelh4227
    @michaelh4227 Před rokem +39

    The fact that people on Art Station are trying to monetize AI art is what bothers me the most personally. Some guy typed up "fantasy forest" and got 50 random images in a generator and apparently Art Station is okay with letting him sell it for $3 as a resource pack. It's just a scam that gives money to no effort "artists" instead of that money going into to actual artists who worked hard to create.

  • @LuminesDragon
    @LuminesDragon Před rokem +168

    The problem with AI art taking over small projects is that this will kill up and coming artists in their cradles, you won't have large studio artists if newer artists can't work on their craft while getting enough money to eat.

    • @EndTikTokandTwitter
      @EndTikTokandTwitter Před rokem +11

      Imo those artists should consider their art a hobby if their careers can be killed that easily. Usually those artists are blatantly copying other people’s art, art styles, and techniques. That’s why their art can be generated easily. True artists that know how to predict original art won’t be affected by AI and will actually prosper

    • @Eventualmoss315
      @Eventualmoss315 Před rokem +44

      @@EndTikTokandTwitter I call bull, actual artists will take others techniques and make their own unique style, ai art takes a technique and completely copies it.

    • @EndTikTokandTwitter
      @EndTikTokandTwitter Před rokem +3

      @@Eventualmoss315 Artists look at other art and predict art. AI looks at other art and predicts art (more precisely but less efficiently). All artwork and anything considered to be “creativity” is technically just your brain predicting something based on what you know/learned in the world. When Picasso paints a painting, he’s subconsciously basing it off his other paintings and directly implementing things he learned from other artists. So I don’t see why artists “making their own unique style” can’t be achieved by just typing your own style into an AI. When using ai art generators you can literally can just type how you want it to look, and if the style is original or doesn’t exist you can usually type it in a way that the AI can predict what you want. I don’t get why people say that real artists have such an edge over AI artists

    • @GrumpDog
      @GrumpDog Před rokem +10

      It won't kill anything if we change our economy to adapt to this new technology. Frankly, "up and coming artists in their cradles" will grow up with AI art, and learn how to use it better than any of us, and they'll likely laugh at the idea some of us didn't consider it art at first, just like we laugh at those who didn't consider photography art when that was invented.. In a world of automation and AI technologies constantly improving, it doesn't make much sense to require individuals to compete with that, in order to earn enough income to survive on, when these technologies should be freeing us and making our lives better.

    • @ceshmate1953
      @ceshmate1953 Před rokem +3

      @@Eventualmoss315 tell me you don't understand AI art without telling me.
      AI art doesn't 'completely' copy existing art. You CAN make it completely copy it and then going around twitter saying you drew it but everyone will know you just stole an existing drawing and ran it through a program.
      AI art makes its own original art.

  • @samanderson9770
    @samanderson9770 Před rokem +443

    I have a friend who used chat gpt to generate a 4 page essay (in several prompts) and then lightly edited the results together. The professor (who by the way has a PhD in english) loved the assignment and gave him an A, saying the abstract concepts he tackled in the essay were phenomenal.

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem +39

      That is amazing

    • @skyandrews2613
      @skyandrews2613 Před rokem +51

      What about AI generated thoughts? If any amount of human effort is a hassle maybe AI can help with that too. AI generated breathing and bathing?

    • @samanderson9770
      @samanderson9770 Před rokem +102

      @@skyandrews2613 yeah that’s basically what I told him, I mean he’s not necessarily going to be able AI his way through his career

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem +6

      @@skyandrews2613 If that were possible, that would be great. Transhumanism is the future.

    • @PossibleBat
      @PossibleBat Před rokem +92

      This is horrifying, catastrophic and will lead us to an Idiosyncrasy scenario.

  • @P0wower
    @P0wower Před rokem +35

    I have nothing against ai art itself but I hate when someone claims that they're artists because they wrote a few words into the prompt section, the worst example of this is when some guy won an art competition by using an ai to generate his piece

    • @Virtualblueart
      @Virtualblueart Před rokem +5

      If it's the same competition I'm thinking of the AI in question was exactly the problematic type that mostly "traces" an original image it scraped of the net and then processes it a bit before semi redrawing it.
      The original and the AI version were so similar one could easily call it a fake or stolen.

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem +1

      exactly

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem

      @@Virtualblueart if thats the case tell me, what images did it trace?

  • @Wings012
    @Wings012 Před rokem +156

    My 2 cents on AI art on Artstation - there were quite a lot of so called "AI Artists" who were basically random people inputting keywords into Midjourney or whatever else and then creating an account, posting and calling themselves as such.
    In my opinion, unless you were part of coding the AI, or ran an instance of it and trained it with your own art or photo sources or whatever database you use without stealing art or using things without permission - you don't get to call yourself an "artist" and start posting anything. You slapped some keywords into something that did all the work for you.
    The real artists behind AI art were the people who engineered or trained the AI with an intended result.

    • @ceshmate1953
      @ceshmate1953 Před rokem

      How do you define an artist ?
      If you consider 'Midjourney' as nothing more then a 'tool'.
      Then a person using said 'tool' to make art is in the end an artist, no ?
      What really bothers me are the pieces of shit who can't draw, stealing someones art. Putting it into an ai art machine
      then saying that they drew it themselves. Fuckers who lie about drawing and fuckers who clearly stole it and put it through ai because they can't even copy art without said tool are the real pieces of shit.
      But hey, art stealing has been a thing even before AI art was a thing.

    • @mexicanburrito2979
      @mexicanburrito2979 Před rokem +18

      Would be like calling a client a "Request Artist" 😂

    • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
      @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 Před rokem +30

      It's quite literally the same as commissioning someone.
      It doesn't matter how good you are at forging the perfect way to phrase a commission, you don't magically become the artist.
      You remain the commissioner. The one who actually made the art is the artist.

    • @Smytjf11
      @Smytjf11 Před rokem +1

      Would you guys at least try the tools before you pretend like you know anything about them?

    • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
      @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 Před rokem +15

      @@Smytjf11 I have, that's why I described it like I did. They're hardly complicated in their usage.

  • @Puzzles-Pins
    @Puzzles-Pins Před rokem +203

    Artists have always had it rough under the systems in place. They've always been taken advantage of, and undervalued, working for "exposure". What makes you think the bastards are gonna pay you for what they can just take?
    Their ethical obligation in their mind is to their shareholders, not the artists. Not the customers. Not the employees. Just the bottom line.
    That's unrestrained capitalism for ya. But by all means, blame the artists, or the AI developers. Keep arguing and fighting, while they keep raking in the profit.

    • @defaulted9485
      @defaulted9485 Před rokem +20

      Please keep posting this Brother.
      People are so happy with instant self gratification they are willing to kill artists for their self gain monetized and enabled by corporates.

    • @Sammysapphira
      @Sammysapphira Před rokem +2

      If you think artists have it rough wait until you see a blue collar worker.

    • @lemonadeenjoyer7111
      @lemonadeenjoyer7111 Před rokem

      @@Sammysapphira what's a blue collar worker?
      Like Walmart employees or something?

    • @oanaenache991
      @oanaenache991 Před rokem +11

      @@Sammysapphira this isn't a competition for that job is most disrespected, I think all of us that are on the receiving end of disrespect and belittling for our professions or who get underpaid for hard labor should be united and try to make a better society for all of us. I'm an artist and I think we're all in the same boat in regards to capitalism abuse

    • @randomm928
      @randomm928 Před rokem +1

      @@Sammysapphira yes. Blue collar workers have it hard, and artists have it hard too. Two things can be true at the same time

  • @yeye3999
    @yeye3999 Před rokem +156

    Love how people who have no idea what making art is, are making arguments for AI just because they now can generate their own life partners which they desperately need to find any resemblance of meaning in their lives. The grotesque art people will create will get to a whole other level of degeneracy. This will ultimately just leave us in another dark age of artists not willing to share their work because it will be used in training sets.

    • @Smytjf11
      @Smytjf11 Před rokem +7

      Well you're definitely making friends this way

    • @yeye3999
      @yeye3999 Před rokem +50

      Yeah, what a fantastic input you have. Can you blame me for being pissed off on these people who used great works before anyone could stop them? They knew what they were doing. On top of this, you have degenerates telling the artists who were used to train the AI that they are whining and should roll over and die. The audacity and inhumanity of telling someone who has dedicated their life to a craft and then to throw it all in their face, saying their hard work was gate keeping these no good for nothing’s from entering the market place. But yeah, I guess making friends wasn’t exactly what I was aiming at when replying, I’m sure you understood that. 🙂

    • @Smytjf11
      @Smytjf11 Před rokem +4

      @@yeye3999 their gatekeeping *is* preventing new artists from entering the marketplace. The insults just make you more likely to get trolled. I'm not sure why I'm telling you this after all the insults, I guess I'm just better at expressing myself rationally, through math. And now everyone can see the same beauty and meaning I do. Cheers.

    • @yeye3999
      @yeye3999 Před rokem +33

      ​@@Smytjf11 I might as well be chatting with an AI, either way, hope you reconsider, AI or not. It just baffles me, so idiotic, in a utopia art is what we would be doing, music, poetry. But it’s the first thing we begin to replace 😂 I’m just so tired of people being such, I don’t even know hahaha gosh. Merry Christmas and a happy new year. I’m going to lose it

    • @drlemon7729
      @drlemon7729 Před rokem +19

      @@Smytjf11 AI prompters don't make art. So they aren't gatekeeping any artists

  • @chopthatpanda
    @chopthatpanda Před rokem +211

    People don't seem to understand that artists are fighting against commercial use of their images, because these models are 100% commercial, people pay subscriptions, people sell the generated artworks, and the models cannot generate without the database.
    And don't respond with "That's what humans do tho", because humans aren't mass producing machines dependent on existing databases. It's impossible for a human to not be inspired, it's very often subconscious, and it's impossible for these ML models to produce without a database. There's a very big difference.
    There is a very ethical way for this technology to exist, and then artists will not be able to complain and actually maybe be comfortable with using it too. Right now we're already dealing with people training localized models to mimic specific artists, taking unfinished drawings and using AI to finish them, claiming it as their own, and just taking a finished work and getting an AI to recreate a copy and selling it.
    It's also kinda sad that so many people seem so eager to turn on artists, people who honestly work hard to bring them all the media they enjoy, anime, tv series, movies, games.

    • @email7919
      @email7919 Před rokem +4

      Is it possible for a blind person to create a painting of something they have never seen before?

    • @alyxavn
      @alyxavn Před rokem +21

      The thing is these AI do directly steal from artists in a way that is straight up just not referencing, the AI doesn't actually understand what it's scanning, it's just ripping what it sees and mashing it together with something else, and doesn't understand anything about how it was made or how to make it.

    • @email7919
      @email7919 Před rokem +3

      @@alyxavn it only understands what's in the images and learns from that

    • @vewseryt7297
      @vewseryt7297 Před rokem +9

      @@alyxavn wrong

    • @roggos3668
      @roggos3668 Před rokem +28

      @@email7919 How is that relevant??? AI can't go beyond their dataset. If I get inspired by a park, I can draw anything from it, abstract, solid, real, surreal. If an AI is fed with pictures of a park, it will create images of a park. There is no correlation, connection, creativity. It will literally look at the pixels, try to identify objects, and then with the many images in datasets, it will try to recreate that object or scene.

  • @gloriousgal9958
    @gloriousgal9958 Před rokem +95

    Now we say "Wow an AI created that!?" Imagine a history class centuries later looking at our work going "Wow a human made that!?"

    • @nyancatpoptart5441
      @nyancatpoptart5441 Před rokem +4

      Yes. a Human did indeed make that. the AI that created the picture didn't just appear out of nowhere.

  • @titanknight259
    @titanknight259 Před rokem +221

    I think charlie makes some good points. Like using AI art as a reference is good and I do feel bad for the smaller artist who are getting over shadowed. Like they worked probably hours just to get their art side lined by someone who wrote a prompt and posted it in 20 minutes.

    • @neiklen4320
      @neiklen4320 Před rokem +45

      As an beginner artist, I can confirm… shit is scary

    • @xrattleheadx
      @xrattleheadx Před rokem +1

      Same

    • @Eventualmoss315
      @Eventualmoss315 Před rokem +27

      As someone who recently just got into drawing I truly feel discouraged by it.

    • @aztro.99
      @aztro.99 Před rokem +21

      why would you reference ai art, its all garbage. most artists study and reference shit from life

    • @kain185
      @kain185 Před rokem +23

      @@Eventualmoss315 Hey bro, don't let that stop you. I just got back into drawing myself, and I'm not about to let this stop my journey. As long as we continue to push back we should be fine. You got this!

  • @mburg33
    @mburg33 Před rokem +90

    A decade from now the scandal is going to be properly labeling art with unassisted by AI aka “human made” certifications and how big companies are mislabeling AI Art as Human Made to generate more sales. Then it’s going to be how the certifications are misleading aka technically true but omitting a lot of context.

    • @dv3d
      @dv3d Před rokem +1

      Its an understandbly probable theory, considering Art asociations of the world are moving to legislate regulations on the use of Ai to preserve human art and human artists work

    • @mburg33
      @mburg33 Před rokem +4

      @@dv3d I also based this theory on GMOs, Made in America, etc…

    • @scribbitb.4519
      @scribbitb.4519 Před rokem

      Oh I'm sure there will be big money in ai detection software from here out. Kind of sucks that we're held held hostage to it though

    • @mburg33
      @mburg33 Před rokem

      @@scribbitb.4519 what is really sad about that is Unstable Diffusion is trying to do a kickstarter to open source AI Art software and there’s so much people out there trying to shut them down. If there’s an ethical way to do it, it’s open source.

    • @scribbitb.4519
      @scribbitb.4519 Před rokem

      @@mburg33 I think this is still a problem for open source images. The artists consented to their images being open source, not for parts of their skill set to be stolen and reproduced

  • @LivewireO13
    @LivewireO13 Před rokem +80

    Big artists are also having issues with people teaching AI their style and making pieces that look exactly like something they would do. It's going to be hard to tell what's real and what's not in the future. 😰

    • @thesystem5980
      @thesystem5980 Před rokem +5

      If artists could control who uses their styles, then that would not be a good thing for most new artists.

    • @qaztim11
      @qaztim11 Před rokem +33

      @@thesystem5980 there is a huge difference between feeding an entire artists portfolio(without their consent) for an AI to regurgitate and an individual studying the techniques needed to achieve a certain style.

    • @thesystem5980
      @thesystem5980 Před rokem +4

      @@qaztim11 It is not necessarily without consent if the artists put their data on a website which has a privacy policy and various policies which give them permission to use data for scientific research.

    • @ttt5205
      @ttt5205 Před rokem +31

      @@thesystem5980 Except there is a difference between performing research and training AI for commercial purposes. deviantart for example wasn't even aware that their users's art was being trained on and said that if they knew they would not have allowed it. This TOS stuff just isn't relevant to the discussion. I never gave any permission to StabilityAI when I posted my art on deviantart. These are completely different companies.

    • @thesystem5980
      @thesystem5980 Před rokem +3

      @@ttt5205 Research is often done for commercial purposes. Also, companies give and sell data, and allow data to be scraped from their websites for various reasons, including using that data for search engines. Their policies often give them permission to do this.

  • @sta1nless
    @sta1nless Před rokem +130

    AI will destroy the internet also. Soon we won't be able to know if we're interacting with actual people or bots.

    • @TuningAnApple
      @TuningAnApple Před rokem +16

      Are you being sarcastic

    • @ajp2206
      @ajp2206 Před rokem +48

      With the way the ai space is developing, he’s not.

    • @aztro.99
      @aztro.99 Před rokem +1

      dude for fucking real. the hyperreal is approaching; where we cant even tell whats real or fake anymore; ei the matrix

    • @Gart777
      @Gart777 Před rokem +6

      AI now can do game journasilm,animation, illustration.. and they still coming.. no surprise there will be an ai account surfing internet and join our society..

    • @qaztim11
      @qaztim11 Před rokem +7

      We are already at that point look for "dead internet" theory

  • @LongXue
    @LongXue Před rokem +146

    Even in events, there are already people who rents a booth and sells artworks but they're all AI generated images instead of their own fanarts...

    • @MinusTwoPoints
      @MinusTwoPoints Před rokem +9

      okay but showing up to a place and actually printing these out in a marketable quality is a hustle I kinda got to respect, if it's done by regular people and not companies

    • @MinusTwoPoints
      @MinusTwoPoints Před rokem +9

      @@bellevanille3536 you should look up the definition of theft
      and it still requires work to be done. I'm not talking about people who sell them online.

    • @TheFeelTrain
      @TheFeelTrain Před rokem +13

      ​@@bellevanille3536 Every piece of art ever made is a reference to something else. That is how art works. Literally every artist whether it be musicians, filmmakers, painters. etc. All of them started out studying and copying other people's work first. That is how human beings make art.

    • @tatanooki
      @tatanooki Před rokem +20

      Thats crazy how a big convention in UNITED STATES still allow AI art. Indonesias most well known doujin convention, comifuro, is banning nft and ai art. And comifuro is nothing compared to animeexpo

    • @CameronZimos
      @CameronZimos Před rokem +2

      @@bellevanille3536npc

  • @FesNeedsNewShoes
    @FesNeedsNewShoes Před rokem +59

    AI Art will not take over, if it does it would literally kill the platform. Artist use art station to seek out companies for hire, the people looking through art station view portfolios has 0 interest in AI Art, they can’t hire that person. To type in a prompt and generate an image requires no skill whatsoever, you have legit no skills worth being hired for. So the idea that the platform is being flooded with Ai Art is ridiculously stupid.

    • @crowdemon_archives
      @crowdemon_archives Před rokem +9

      Yea, I can only imagine how frustrating it will be if I'm looking to hire someone to make something and they can't even tell me why they did what they did.

    • @GrumpDog
      @GrumpDog Před rokem +6

      It already IS taking over, and no it won't kill the platform. Also, effectively using an AI art generator DOES indeed require skills! There's a clear difference between the results unskilled users create, vs what artists make when they use AI. Using it effectively requires extensive knowledge of art and photography concepts and terminology, as well as good descriptive writing skills. There is also a learned experience that develops through a lot of trial and error using it, involving how prompts are phrased, the order of things and emphases used, and once mastered results improve. There is an artistic eye that goes into choosing which images are actually producing the results you want, and going back to tweak things. There's a big difference between novice users who just throw concepts together and see what comes out, vs an artist who first imagines in their mind, a scene they want to create.. Then through using this tool, eventually reproduces that scene for others to see.. That IS a creative act which takes time and effort, and requires developing skills.

    • @Smytjf11
      @Smytjf11 Před rokem +2

      "You have no legit skills worth being hired for"
      "Why doesn't anyone have sympathy for me?"

    • @enough2715
      @enough2715 Před rokem

      @@Smytjf11 Ai generated art and writing is a joke to humanity, and you expect people to be nice to you? The fact this exists is an insult to many people, the people who created this tech have no appreciation for people not even you the users. So yeah, the existence of Ai art alone shows not sympathy. You being told the truth that you have no skill shouldn't be hurtful, should be a wake up call. Delusional

    • @Smytjf11
      @Smytjf11 Před rokem

      @@enough2715 What makes you think I'm not *in* AI/ML? It seems *you* are the one deficient in skills. *I* can easily generate art, code, literate, etc... on the old masterwork scale because I learned to use the tools. You clearly lack that skill, but like you said, there's no shame in that

  • @riley-1209
    @riley-1209 Před rokem +170

    AI itself isn’t the issue, like in 2d animation there’s a tool that makes painted shading more consistent with tracking but again that’s just a refining thing. The biggest issue with AI art rn is the people coding it are actively mocking artists with the goal to replace them. Not to mention people on Twitter using other artists styles and originality to mock them, which is extremely hurtful legality issue or not- its a genuinely painful thing to see my favorite artists finding out someone used their work to train an AI and won’t even give them credit, even the act itself is really sad to see.
    AI won’t replace artists fully, maybe commercially but people will always draw for fun if they want. Also the value of traditional art may become realllll high

    • @nocause5395
      @nocause5395 Před rokem +6

      Yeah I'll totally waste my time drawing for fun and not making any money.

    • @riley-1209
      @riley-1209 Před rokem +58

      @@nocause5395 People who draw for fun aren’t gonna stop cause a computer put their job security at risk. They draw for their own enjoyment- they’ll probably just get a different job to support themselves.
      Art also isn’t a career for everyone, and they like to keep it casual and solely for their own enjoyment while having a separate career that acts as their main income- I know plenty of people who do so! (:
      Do you not have hobbies? I recommend you find one or two, maybe you’ll have a chance at becoming less of a moron
      Not everything’s a corporate sinkhole, people can have fun, yknow! maybe you should give drawing a try!

    • @aelion7761
      @aelion7761 Před rokem +1

      Lol

    • @derkthebert9265
      @derkthebert9265 Před rokem +36

      @@riley-1209 to be fair i am someone who draws for fun and a.i art is honestly pretty discouraging since one of the main funs of doing it is sharing your work with people. but now anywhere to post your art is just flooded with a.i art and comments questioning if it a.i generated instead of the art itself. while i still love drawing things the craft i spent years doing just sorta seems pointless now since everyone can do it with a click of a button.

    • @nocause5395
      @nocause5395 Před rokem +16

      @@riley-1209 basically you're saying instead of doing something they love and earning a living, they have to take job they don't like to make money. So because you want something free they should have to suffer.

  • @System509
    @System509 Před rokem +12

    Companies like Disney will absolutely jump at the chance to replace as many people as possible to save money. Soon as they can make whole movies with AI then that’s it. Game over man, game over.

  • @DawnOfTheOzz
    @DawnOfTheOzz Před rokem +78

    I've watched way too much sci-fi to know what happens when AI advances too quickly.

    • @chaosmonkey1595
      @chaosmonkey1595 Před rokem +16

      And we all know Sci-Fi shows are reality...

    • @AKao-jj5yv
      @AKao-jj5yv Před rokem +6

      Stephen Hawking even warned us, and at this rate it seems like we're not going to listen

  • @Kaneonlyson
    @Kaneonlyson Před rokem +164

    To be honest I have to agree with the artist here, AI can make something within seconds what would take a artist weeks to do, it could discourage new artist from Practice talent and just using ai art because it’s much more quicker and easier to do

    • @allgy07
      @allgy07 Před rokem +47

      not only that the people making the ais requires artist for it to work and then go shit allover artist like they aren't the backbone for your whole program the majority of ai art creation and use is extremely negative and just overall disheartening majority of artist dont want thier shit put into ai :(

    • @andrewrules231
      @andrewrules231 Před rokem +3

      what im getting from everyone against ai art is you want clout and or money and your not in it for the self expression like you claim. ai art doesnt stop you from painting i think you all need a little bob ross in your life

    • @allgy07
      @allgy07 Před rokem +9

      @@andrewrules231 art is a hobby its wonderful and amazing but its also a job for many people we live in a world where you have to have a job and for many people that's art not every artist is in it for self expression and not every artist claims to be and even if they are that's irrelevant because that's not the issue and the fact that this doesn't stop us from creating our own art doesn't matter because that's also not the issue the issue is that to have this you have to take others art which isn't yours and use it in a way that the artist didn't approve of and then we get our jobs our income took from us and then artist the actual backbone to this tech get shat on by tech bros no credit no compensation not even an ask their are so many issues with ai images and to dismiss them as "your just greedy and want clout" its not bad to want money from your labor and its not bad to want attention from your hard work

    • @andrewrules231
      @andrewrules231 Před rokem

      @@allgy07 ya and the auto workers lost there way of making a living and large companies mass produced tool once made a desighned by skilled craftsman. stop crying its your turn 90% of jobs were replaced by a machine and soon the rest will too. i have had to change careers about 10 times in my life due to economic changes and now im begging for a job at 711 while taking care of 2 kids. cry me a river

    • @LyubomirIko
      @LyubomirIko Před rokem +3

      Which will result in lost of actual skills in the next generation, because no one will be able to paint and be motivated to paint.
      Competing with machines for a living is not a bright future, and giving up one of the most humanistic profession that directly held in check the sanity of the society and culture is just pitch black future.

  • @flowersinawasteland
    @flowersinawasteland Před rokem +6

    Feel bad for artists who pour their heart and soul into their work. I can see why artists are worried.

  • @Infodumptruck
    @Infodumptruck Před rokem +125

    Now that we have robots for 70% of jobs, can we just implement universal basic income and have a futuristic utopia without full time employment?

    • @TheHauntedKiwi
      @TheHauntedKiwi Před rokem

      They'll sooner allow you to sell your limbs for meat

    • @zac-1
      @zac-1 Před rokem

      that will happen right after gamers stop being racist,, and misogynistic

    • @Frost-rx4ch
      @Frost-rx4ch Před rokem +17

      exactly

    • @atpr3241
      @atpr3241 Před rokem +22

      This. Make all simple commodities dirt cheap, make specialized that can't be computerized more of an incentive and let people actually enjoy living instead of struggling.

    • @Agony.
      @Agony. Před rokem +23

      And have robots and big companies run the world?

  • @nubbinknees5699
    @nubbinknees5699 Před rokem +13

    also a problem with it is that people will use AI and not mention using it and open commissions saying they make it from scratch... LOL usually its easy to tell but for some concept art type things its hard to tell because concept art is pretty amalgamous already

    • @dreanki
      @dreanki Před rokem +1

      It's been happening already

  • @jcomet11299
    @jcomet11299 Před rokem +3

    This is like “Watch Dogs: Legion” where you’re doing a mission to recruit someone, and they’re at risk losing their job to an AI.

  • @dffgffffffdddddddddd
    @dffgffffffdddddddddd Před rokem +133

    This will lead to a huge " humanist" art moment or something like that, where simple and raw emotional art that only humans can make, live performances and intimate themes will become more popular, these things work in cycles, and with how fast the Internet is, people will probably be sick of it in 2 years from now.

    • @wizzmaw3093
      @wizzmaw3093 Před rokem +14

      That’s a really good way to word it

    • @mariya_tortilla
      @mariya_tortilla Před rokem +10

      The whole art world as well is a chain reaction from the years prior. Sort of like the new generation rebelling against the older gen. lol. New styles are born that way! that's pretty cool stuff

    • @Finn-xw4vn
      @Finn-xw4vn Před rokem +6

      I don't think intimate themes are something an AI couldn't mimic or reproduce. I think it will mainly get more spontaneous or divergent from norms of art. I also think Charlie overestimates the ease of AI to mimic live or spontaneous performance, which requires a lot more data and spontaneity to mimic. Mainly, the focus will be on things that pattern recognition cannot reproduce.

    • @aelion7761
      @aelion7761 Před rokem +8

      @@Finn-xw4vn which is kindof the problem, it will raise the standard of art, you'd have to be decently skilled at it to compete with ai.

    • @2oqh
      @2oqh Před rokem

      @@aelion7761 you wont be able to compete, because an A+ piece an artist could make would take longer than an AI, and all that work would look like the rest made instantly by AI

  • @6eyedbird
    @6eyedbird Před rokem +31

    A good analogy I read for AI "artists" is that they are like a person ordering a pizza, sure you chose what it looked like but the AI used the resources (like the employees of the pizza place)
    This analogy also works for why AI art is so controversial, the art put into databases are used without permission, which is kinda scummy but not that bad, except it's taking away their jobs, which is why artists are upset at this.
    It's like if the tomatoes and wheat and cheese and such were bought from farmers for a very low price, which in of itself is predatory but not terrible, but then using those tomatoes to do genetic research that is putting farmers out of jobs. (I made up the 2nd part of the analogy so that's why it's less succinct, but still gets my point across I hope)
    AI art does genuinely have a time and place, but I think the way it is being used now is pretty bad.

    • @aztro.99
      @aztro.99 Před rokem +21

      nah its like if you robbed those farmers in the dead of night and they woke up to tomato factories everywhere

    • @andrewrules231
      @andrewrules231 Před rokem

      thats what B gates has been doing for years...

    • @saliferousstudios
      @saliferousstudios Před rokem +1

      It's not the only bad way Ai is being used either, Guarantee it's why housing costs are now so high. They're using AI to decide prices.

    • @thecreativeducky5781
      @thecreativeducky5781 Před rokem +3

      It's like using one's lives work to replace them. It's sooo fucked up yet no one cares 💀

  • @TitanGainz
    @TitanGainz Před rokem +243

    I depend heavily on art for my channel and is a large reason I’ve managed to grow. So I have NOTHING but respect for artists. Ai art is not art.

    • @Agony.
      @Agony. Před rokem +9

      For real

    • @Julez60
      @Julez60 Před rokem +7

      💯

    • @Eventualmoss315
      @Eventualmoss315 Před rokem +6

      Based opinion

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem +22

      That's your opinion. A lot of people, however, disagree and their opinion is just as valid.

    • @Puzzles-Pins
      @Puzzles-Pins Před rokem +39

      @@CypherDND It actually isn't. Look up the definition of "art". AI creations fail to meet the criteria.

  • @sunny1salvage
    @sunny1salvage Před rokem +18

    Living long enough to watch the technology sector 1v1 erode all the humanities is rough

    • @Smytjf11
      @Smytjf11 Před rokem

      Last year they thought they were going to add an A to STEM. I think we beat them to the punch

  • @Famestar6
    @Famestar6 Před rokem +5

    As someone who uses ai art and a creative writer I think that ai art should either be in a separate category or within a ai art specific site. It's not fair that normal artists have to compete.
    I think people making ai art like myself should put it on a separate platform and state that it's by ai art. I'm in the middle of the debate like I enjoy the technology however I don't think it's fair that normal artists have to compete. However I don't agree for banning it outright

  • @LampP0st
    @LampP0st Před rokem +67

    One of the largest problems with AI "art" is that the datasets and images used to train them is all stolen from real artists without consent in order to mash into a new image, none of it is truly original it's all squeezed out of prexisting copyrighted imagery without the owner's consent.

    • @aarontolkein4433
      @aarontolkein4433 Před rokem +22

      That's literally the exact same way humans learn art.
      We look at other peoples art work and learn from that to generate something new ourselves.
      The ai doesn't "store" the artwork it learns from. Like a human, it learns patterns (i.e. line art) from the works and weighs these patterns it finds in the transformer model.

    • @eobardrush2112
      @eobardrush2112 Před rokem +8

      @@aarontolkein4433 agree

    • @SSoul0
      @SSoul0 Před rokem +38

      @@aarontolkein4433 That is NOT how a human works. A human does not piece meal a piece of art. What they create is a reflection of the world through their eyes, experiences, and intent. A person might be inspired to use an element but they have to recreate it and that in no way is similar to what an AI will do which is just regurgitate a piece of data right back out.

    • @LampP0st
      @LampP0st Před rokem

      @@aarontolkein4433 As an artist, you're super fuckin wrong.

    • @TheFeelTrain
      @TheFeelTrain Před rokem +14

      @@SSoul0 1. That is how humans work. Watch the video essay "Everything is a Remix" by Kirby Ferguson. 2. AI works the same way humans do. It's not "regurgitating" anything. It's studied hundreds of thousands of images and found the connections between them, then uses those connections to construct something new. The data that was put in only changes the weights on a neural network's neurons. None of the input is actually used in the output assuming the dataset is large enough (and all of the good ones are).

  • @Armadder
    @Armadder Před rokem +6

    29:49 yes, I was saying this same thing. Having an AI do in-betweens would be the best thing ever for animations. This would also hugely benefit individual animators.

    • @moaharbor
      @moaharbor Před rokem +1

      Im still not sure on this point, I think it’ll be a while until AI is able to understand animation principles and be able to apply them to different things. Maybe with simpler animations but I think it would have a hard time with complicated designs, perspectives, stuff like that.

  • @cristiancarbajal2119
    @cristiancarbajal2119 Před rokem +3

    On the topic of Ai Journalism, I saw a Google Assistant article about Chainsaw Man saying there was a huge group of fans petitioning for the show to be remade entirely for "Bad animation quality, Unfaithful to the Manga, and Denji having a terrible voice actor"
    Which is so blatantly opposite to what the community response to the show was, i can only imagine it was AI written

  • @Spladoinkal
    @Spladoinkal Před rokem +64

    It's not just that "AI are will take over" or something, it's the way that it works: In order for AI (or machine learning) to work, it has to be fed something to learn. What they're doing is basically stealing the art of other people without permission and feeding it to this machine in order to make it learn how to produce art. The ripping off of others without permission is where the big scandal is.

    • @klonoafan2012
      @klonoafan2012 Před rokem +2

      Like with nfts

    • @davidshovlin2783
      @davidshovlin2783 Před rokem +4

      It's impossible for a human copyist to accidentally produce a forgery. A text-to-image generator has no concept of weather or not it's delivered an overfitted result and for the most part, neither does the mouth-breather prompting it. This is why the contents of the data sets used to train them matters.

    • @Spladoinkal
      @Spladoinkal Před rokem

      @@davidshovlin2783 not talking about forgery

    • @env0x
      @env0x Před rokem

      but that's the thing... AI art can't work unless there are human artists to make the art in the first place. AI art can only work with the pieces of art that's fed into it. therefore it's not really putting human artists out of business because if humans stopped making art then AI wouldn't have any new pieces to make new kinds of art from, it would only have the old art to work with, so at some point it's just gonna keep producing the same shit as it has no new resources to work with, and then it becomes stale. therefore human artists are the primary driving factor in producing AI art, without human artists AI art will sink.

    • @mfatihbilhaq4977
      @mfatihbilhaq4977 Před rokem

      Do you have any proposal to stop them tho? Cuz the model already spread out throughout the internet

  • @divinuminfernum
    @divinuminfernum Před rokem +9

    people just using Chatgpt to get grades is awful - people are then really not learning anything themselves, and they will leave university without really having the qualification their degree might indicate

    • @crowdemon_archives
      @crowdemon_archives Před rokem

      And in the event they can't access the AI... Oof

    • @Smytjf11
      @Smytjf11 Před rokem

      @@crowdemon_archives remember when you wouldn't always have access to a calculator? It was still useful to learn the tool.

  • @aarn321
    @aarn321 Před rokem +5

    Charlie: ChatGPT can even write code.
    Thanos: So wait you're saying...I can use the code....to write the code.....

    • @Ubreakable-lr2dk
      @Ubreakable-lr2dk Před rokem +1

      there are also ai's that can detect illneses just by the way u move that doctors cant even imagine to find. No job is safe

    • @otapic
      @otapic Před rokem +4

      Yeah and the AI Bros really telling ppl to "learn to code" while they're actively making themselves obsolete

    • @yerlocalpeanutdealer795
      @yerlocalpeanutdealer795 Před rokem

      @@otapic Uh yea no shit. Huamsns suck.

  • @marquismccann4068
    @marquismccann4068 Před rokem +3

    The AI in between animations just came out it's crazy

  • @SuperZbros
    @SuperZbros Před rokem +58

    AI art will never be as good or worth nearly as much as man made art, I’m not even an art guy, but so much of what makes art cool, and valuable, is that a human being made it with their own two hands, it’s just amazing to think about how talented some people are when you see good art, even at a street level I’m not talking just Picasso’s, AI art is for sure gonna take work away from smaller artists, in the business world, like designing a logo or whatever, but as far as being actual artwork in and of itself it’s never gonna be big, it defeats the point, 99% of art is about the fact that someone made it, and they were trying to express something, AI art is just 1’s and 0’s….

    • @neiklen4320
      @neiklen4320 Před rokem +17

      As an beginner artist, this give me so much courage… thx a bunch :

    • @SuperZbros
      @SuperZbros Před rokem +3

      @@neiklen4320 I can’t wait to see you become mainstream and create masterpieces, best of luck to you follow your dream ✌🏻

    • @neiklen4320
      @neiklen4320 Před rokem +2

      ​@@SuperZbros much love to u my man, much love

    • @oliv5163
      @oliv5163 Před rokem +5

      Such a nice thread. At least AI is bringing humans together. Especially seeing non artists empathise with artists just warms my heart.

    • @madeliefynana
      @madeliefynana Před rokem

      Yeah, but how are you doing to tell the difference between AI art and man made? I know that there are some tips and tricks, but AI will only get better and better.
      AI art had already won art competition and some people have already bought AI art without even realizing that what they just bought was made by an AI.
      Its amazing what a human can make, don't get me wrong. It's just that AI can be used with more sinister and insincere ways and some of the times we won't know that.
      We already can't 100% of humans are lying or telling the truth.
      It's the people behind the AI art who can pose a bigger threat.

  • @Coff33Drink3r02
    @Coff33Drink3r02 Před rokem +45

    It is hurting people in the commission sphere. I see so many people choosing the poor cheap option of just using an AI for stuff like character references, OC art, nsfw art, etc. It's a tool that's genuinely hurting artists, stealing from them, and the community around it is laughing at us with no remorse.
    Hope it starts getting banned

    • @Mageblood
      @Mageblood Před rokem +3

      Most people commission furry pr0n of their own characters and those usually have fine details that a AI would most certainly miss or mess up. it's easier to get a human artist that can look at the reference sheet. I would bet money you couldnt make my fursona in AI art to my satisfaction.

    • @georgec9384
      @georgec9384 Před rokem +10

      I mean the hate to the art community and artist in general is kinda warranted. Most artists like writers and so on laughed and thought they couldn’t be optimized and done by a machine. And they can. And that’s just the way of the future a lot of other industries became obsolete or niche because of new inventions. So it’s normal.

    • @gdaw8326
      @gdaw8326 Před rokem

      @@georgec9384 Being unaware of how advanced technology is and being mildly condescending about it does not deserve having food taken off your table, the fuck?

    • @twilightgeneral777
      @twilightgeneral777 Před rokem +1

      Unfortunately, the lowest common denominator of people will always take the path of least resistance. Though like Charlie said, I think that people who truly care about art and want to fully realize an idea will still go to human artists for commissions, because AI simply isn't capable of that sort of precision

    • @Sp00kyEnd1ngs
      @Sp00kyEnd1ngs Před rokem +1

      I would never say it steals from artists

  • @oomay1925
    @oomay1925 Před rokem +25

    I know considering how AI would play out in professions like in Medicare, law, or other professions that handle the well being and lives of others is genuinely something people are looking into. An AI can look at things "objectively" or statistically speaking, and this could help with incompetence of people, but it will always lack the empathy needed for people to make certain important decisions- especially at the expense of others. For AI art, AI is also going to have that missing bit of human nature in what it produces and what makes art so great. I think the human ability to produce art is smth really wonderful about people, as tacky as it sounds. And I think there can be a lot of potential for AI in art but it being a tool for others to steal from real artists, not just their work but even their careers or credibility, is an issue that there needs to be policies for.

    • @tux_the_astronaut
      @tux_the_astronaut Před rokem +6

      I dont think AI would be any better than humans at being unbiased at law cuz AI learns of human data and humans have biases which will make the ai have some too wether intentional or not

    • @Nanohamage
      @Nanohamage Před rokem

      no amount of empathy is worth the cost of lawyers or doctor assuming A.I has necessary skill to do their job

  • @kavir591
    @kavir591 Před rokem +4

    it's not just that they don't want the AI art 'shoved down their throat' on the front page; AI is here to stay, maybe not in its current iteration.
    the other issue is they [artstation] like many others - wanted to TAKE artwork from the artists for an AI's Database without the artists permission [dead or alive] and the only counter they provided was a 'No AI' tag. 😓💀

  • @radm7ganon225
    @radm7ganon225 Před rokem +10

    I’m not much of an artist but I do like to work on stuff every once in a while, although I have a question for any artist who sees this. Is it fine to prompt an ai bot so that I can get inspiration for an idea? I don’t do this normally and probably won’t in the future, but I did it for my most recent “work” because I was all shot for ideas. My drawing turned out decent (still learning digital art) and only loosely used themes from the ai picture. I don’t care about the ai “art” I “made” but I used it to visualize stylistic ideas I could try (like neon gradient bordering and unique coloring that I don’t normally do). Just asking cus im interested. I hate the idea of ai taking art jobs and it just bothers me tbh. I used it as a tool to create my own art based off of light inspiration, but people who use it and claim that it’s “real art” don’t make sense.

    • @elora512
      @elora512 Před rokem +10

      I think that's fine to take inspiration from it. We take inspiration from other art pieces all the time, all the ai is doing - although stealing - is compiling actual art from artists in a way.

    • @Eventualmoss315
      @Eventualmoss315 Před rokem +4

      @@elora512 it’s still stealing though. Taking someone else’s pride and joy and making cheap copies. Yikes.

    • @allgy07
      @allgy07 Před rokem +13

      id say no because while your personal use and intent isnt bad your still supporting the theft of artist unless the ai you were looking to use came from a database of images that all creators gave thier consent to be appart of then i would say its unethical cause of the fact that to get that image your using for non bad reason your accidently indirectly supporting the people who did all that bad before you to create the ai im not anti ai btw i just want push it to exist in a way that doesn't stomp on artist (aka the literal backbone of the tech)

    • @allgy07
      @allgy07 Před rokem +7

      @@elora512 its stealing fullstop. the difference of using references and getting inspiration vs art theft / the ai is that when getting inspiration and using reference is you *look* while ads directly *take* from artist with out permission directly stealing from artist

    • @vewseryt7297
      @vewseryt7297 Před rokem +3

      @@allgy07 stealing what ? if you can't define what have been stolen than you have no proof

  • @SynthAir
    @SynthAir Před rokem +10

    A ridiculous number of comments are alleging that AI art is theft under the pretense that AI works by looking at existing artworks, lifting elements of them, and combining them in a collage of sorts. This, however, is not at all how this AI works. I am greatly oversimplifying, but this kind of AI works by very roughly mimicking neurons, like those that make up a biological brain. These neurons are trained by having them “look at” existing art (this is somewhat comparable to the process of a human brain learning), but the art is not stored in the AI in any way. The AI can then draw entirely novel artworks because it “knows” what all sorts of objects look like, or what makes a certain artist’s style look unique.
    I’m not arguing for or against AI art, but I think it’s important that people don’t debate the subject over a misunderstanding of what it is and how it works.

    • @Underworlddream
      @Underworlddream Před rokem +1

      I haven't found any artist that talking about AI even know how these AI work. And video explaining how they work and get their image has people just repeating how it stealing even thought the very video explained how they got their image legally.

  • @duskstan.8827
    @duskstan.8827 Před rokem +1

    6:06 - "you will have Merilyn Monroe doing a podcast with...Jesus"
    the Ai: "that's something interesting..."

  • @IrrelevantArt
    @IrrelevantArt Před rokem +1

    Also, some artists want ArtStation to set their art as "Dont allow to be used to train AI" by default.

  • @mafianation4386
    @mafianation4386 Před rokem +24

    This is scarily early in AI still. I guarantee you we wont be long from things like Cortana man

    • @Mageblood
      @Mageblood Před rokem

      Most AI researches say that we are only a few decades away from "artificial general intelligence" which is essentially an enslaved god in a box

    • @robertvalenica8999
      @robertvalenica8999 Před rokem

      Ai art has existed for years, it wasn’t until this year when it became main stream :/ look at tiktok anime filters, RTX voice, DLLS, FSR, upscaling tech. Morphing Ai, ai predicting frame rate, and all the hundreds of tools design for making content creating easy. I don’t mind, upscaling is probably the greatest technology TO EVER exist but. We seen LAZY developers use this in video games to remaster textures and be criticized for it. So no, no. Ai is going to get better but, nothing beats doing stuff by hand and just so many people getting tried of technology relaying on Ai than doing stuff natively

  • @CultofThings
    @CultofThings Před rokem +3

    So many artists yet so little art.

  • @gloriousgal9958
    @gloriousgal9958 Před rokem +1

    Robots are becoming janitors and waiters, burger flippers, writers, painters, and they might even have ai become salespeople, business advisors, public relations managers, anything really

  • @SeaSerpentLevi
    @SeaSerpentLevi Před rokem +53

    The fact that you can go and write artists name and get something like the artists work is the undeniable proof that those AI tools are doing absolutely ilegal stuff. No ai can do that without having a strong bias in the specific data it was trained in, which means copyrightes material, images from the artists portfolio and his professional works posted online (which then also means they used copyrighted work from some game or film the artist worked on).
    The AIs could be amazing using only public domain art or having an opt-in model where the artists license their work for the data-set. But instead they decided to just say fuck it and use all the data theh wanted walking over the artists rights like thats no big deal, and a lot of ai users that are non artists (if you read the artstation comments under the protests) are legit assholes and horrible people with such a miserable life that even something like a open source image generator is enough them to feel entitled and start having a little power trip lol (i swear it would so funny if it was not also so miserable how little is necessary for those people to start acting like they are superior.. you have to see how they are treating artists, the lame ass slurs they came up with, the hate emails, etc.. its really pathetic and sad, but also fucking funny)

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem +5

      nope, its all protected under free use

    • @SeaSerpentLevi
      @SeaSerpentLevi Před rokem +16

      @@eugenekrabs141 thats just flat wrong

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem +4

      @@SeaSerpentLevi its just flat correct, look into it

    • @teenat7044
      @teenat7044 Před rokem +9

      @@eugenekrabs141 Stable diffusion has a warning for their site that you can run into legal issues because the bot is trained with copyrighted images, because people are already running into copyright issues. There's plenty of times the bot is doing something as simple as changing eye color on an already existing copyrighted photograph, and the person who prompted it is now spreading a slightly edited version of a copyrighted image. Some people are getting etsy shops removed, because the AI art has copyright in it. I've used midjourney and gotten copyright protection watermarks throughout my entire image, meaning I shouldn't use it, because it clearly has too much copyrighted material in it. I don't know that it's just stable diffusion and midjourney, but the fact they have a warning on their site is enough for me.
      Edit: Imma be honest, I may have dreamt of the website warning. I watch a lot of AI news shorts when going to bed, and I can't find anything about that website warning now, so take it with a grain of salt in the meantime.

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem +2

      @@teenat7044 nope, name one time the ai has ever produced copyright, like one time, all you said was it was "editing a image" which is impossible because it generates new images, so tell me, what time did the ai actually create a copyrighted image

  • @SOoshi_art
    @SOoshi_art Před rokem +6

    When do we tell these ai enthusiasts to stop and think about their work?

    • @defaulted9485
      @defaulted9485 Před rokem

      Sadly, don't.
      They are willing to sell their soul to corporate capital just because they see Psychedelic Images of an ugly monkey. Why would you think... they want to think?
      Lets us excuse ourselves from this hell hole.

    • @yerlocalpeanutdealer795
      @yerlocalpeanutdealer795 Před rokem

      We don't. Ted Kaczynski tried but everyone labelled him as a monster.

    • @SOoshi_art
      @SOoshi_art Před rokem

      @@yerlocalpeanutdealer795 there is tons of books movies and stories about advanced ai that cannot be controled by humans. I don’t get why we need more automation in humanity. Just makes humanity seem lazy

  • @ATier87
    @ATier87 Před rokem +37

    My 2 cents about AI art;
    I think this is just some NFT level fad. Sure it seems pretty and super efficient at pumping out stuff but at it's core, it's just the same thing as a chess computer, it desperately needs references and relies heavily on copying and simulating previous art works. Much like a chess computer needing to analyse tens of thousands of games played and recorded up until this point.
    So for a while it will look like it does some awesome stuff but after a short time, it eventually will end up in a state of heat-death situation. At that point, people along with production companies, curators etc. will have been starving for new, eye opening inspirational works, which would be way out of the box for even the most "super intelligent" AI program or software.
    Personally as an animator and project creator myself, i'm not scared in the slightest.

    • @crafternautsunite6846
      @crafternautsunite6846 Před rokem +20

      The difference though is that chess is a sport, the human aspect IS the content. The goal of art is a product. I agree that AI art won’t replace human art, but I disagree with your reasoning and with dismissing AI art as a fad

    • @gwyn1723
      @gwyn1723 Před rokem +2

      Tbf isn't this basically the same as artists using references or tutorials? I'm not well versed in art theory but at tye surface it seems like the same application

    • @ATier87
      @ATier87 Před rokem +1

      @@crafternautsunite6846 I used chess as an example, if you know how to play chess and a bit of programming knowledge, you'll know how limited in essence any AI would be in creating new, original, thought provoking stuff.
      Currently, AI is perfect for churning out pixar or disney type scenarios though, it's all based on a formula. Once people get sick of it, it'll fade away. It sure will have a longer life span than NFT's but i'm also damn sure it won't replace any artist.

    • @ATier87
      @ATier87 Před rokem +4

      @@gwyn1723 Artists do use references for drawing, in terms of animation, but in terms of creating a whole project, if we don't count remakes and AAA production nowadays, it creates original, non-referenced stuff that provokes thought, which i highly doubt any AI is or will be capable of doing ever.

    • @gwyn1723
      @gwyn1723 Před rokem +5

      @@ATier87 I would disagree with that last part personally. Art is pretty much anything these days if you call it so. Since it can be damn near anything that would stoke the thought that it could provoke any question. Art is pretty much in the eye of the beholder and if AI art gives you the ability to create something as close to what you want as possible then I see that as consistent with what you're saying.

  • @Nameonly67
    @Nameonly67 Před rokem

    Nice job on the raid bro 👌I've been running mythic + got IL 372 and running vault tommorow

  • @oldenoughtowatchallyoutube6761

    I kind of just draw in my art, then throw it into the ai and see what I get. It's kind of fun. I like seeing the messy results lol.

  • @LyubomirIko
    @LyubomirIko Před rokem +3

    2:08 - And how could you even keep the human artists exist as a profession if the majority of the market will hire AI instead??? Young artist are already giving up art because of it, no one wants to compete with a machines for a living. Living as an artist is already financially challenging.

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem

      yeah, its already financially challenging, this is just the nail in the coffin, art was made to be a expression anyways right? why have it as a business? do it for fun

    • @LyubomirIko
      @LyubomirIko Před rokem

      @@eugenekrabs141 BS. You need to dedicate your whole time professionally, otherwise the quality will be amaturish.

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem +1

      @@LyubomirIko no you dont, my freind never took a single art class in his life and he was producing art that was nearly photo realistic, nowadays he does more cartoonish stuff but back then he was full on photo realistic drawings, in his words it depends more on the time you put into the drawing you are trying to make, not your skill level in drawing, i have to use his words because i myself am not a artist, but i trust him more than you

    • @LyubomirIko
      @LyubomirIko Před rokem

      ​@@eugenekrabs141 OK, troll. Have you even seen the works of the masters? You don't even know what good art looks like. You dont know what dedication means. It's not something done in the breaks at your work at McDonalds or after you have drive a bus for 12 hours. You don't even know what it means to be good at any profession LOL

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem

      @@LyubomirIko yeah, i have seen good art, my freinds art, he was probably 10x better than yours

  • @ChuuniVT
    @ChuuniVT Před rokem +19

    Personally, I highly doubt AI art will take over. I don't want to say it'll burn out like a fad, though it could very well go that way but it's going to continue being controversial no matter what, especially when big name companies start trying to use it. My thinking is that it will go the way of NFTs, where every time a company tried to dip their toes into NFTs, people reacted extremely negatively and companies pulled back. Now almost all of the companies that had or planned to do anything NFT related have basically stopped doing anything related to it.
    Not to mention the large possibility of someone being sued for copyright infringement after trying to sell an AI art piece looking nearly identical to an artists copyrighted piece, which will happen because these types of people are not very bright.

    • @ockertoustesizem1234
      @ockertoustesizem1234 Před rokem +6

      Ai is not a fad. you're second sentence is like the people in the 90s who wondered "will this internet thing with computers be a fad?"

    • @ChuuniVT
      @ChuuniVT Před rokem +16

      @@ockertoustesizem1234 I wasn't stating that all AI is a fad, I'm saying that AI in anything artistic related is likely a fad. AI being used in things like coding, DNA analysis, and many other things are extremely useful and definitely here to stay.

    • @Eventualmoss315
      @Eventualmoss315 Před rokem +12

      @@ChuuniVT clearly the bro above you didn’t actually read your amazing comment, I agree that artists should take up in arms using copyright law to their benefit.

    • @DanknDerpyGamer
      @DanknDerpyGamer Před rokem +1

      @@Eventualmoss315 > *I agree that artists should take up in arms using copyright law to their benefit.*
      Questions are, though, who will they go after, why, and what arguments/evidencew would they use to try to win their suit?

    • @otapic
      @otapic Před rokem +2

      @@DanknDerpyGamer god why do you talk like a 4chan anon using green text? I genuinely can't take ppl who type like that seriously

  • @ENZEED
    @ENZEED Před rokem +2

    I like how he calls them wordsmiths and not artist

  • @teodreiser
    @teodreiser Před rokem

    if I copied someone's "imagine prompt" does that mean, that I stole their art?

  • @grggarro1
    @grggarro1 Před rokem +3

    I think it's hilarious that we're gonna become Warhammer in the future lol

    • @crowdemon_archives
      @crowdemon_archives Před rokem +2

      Just worse because there's not enough Chaos Daemons running around. :C

  • @Whoiskimb
    @Whoiskimb Před rokem +2

    29:46 Yea It would be much easier and cheaper for smaller studios to catch up with Mappa level productions. There's a position in the field called inbetween animators who only does those grinding, and they are usually the ones with higher skill levels since they are the ones who determine whether the final outcome look smooth. There's only a handful of those animators who can actually do a good job and they can usually charge 3-4 times more per frame than keyframe animators, so if they start implementing AI it's a net gain for viewers. The industry would still be fucked up but at least we get more anime that looks great.

    • @defaulted9485
      @defaulted9485 Před rokem

      I want them to succeed but that's not how business works.
      How do we make sure it would help raising the pay of the animators before just adding more anime workloads for them to make in the same paycheck as before AI.

    • @Whoiskimb
      @Whoiskimb Před rokem

      ​@@defaulted9485 I really have no idea. Even without ai, most of the production budget would always go to promotions or merch but not to animators. I dont think animators would get paid less because of ai, since they're usually paid per scene or per project, but they would definitely have fewer projects to work on, or even lose their job to ai in the near future. Best case, animation studios use ai to cut costs but pump out more anime so that animators have the same workload and pay as before. The studio gains more profit, animators earn the same, more manga artists can get their work animated, we get more anime to watch. BUT it's impossible that every single animation studios run ethically, so some animators will inevitably have their position replaced by a program.

  • @drb00fenshmirtz49
    @drb00fenshmirtz49 Před rokem +1

    Trail maintenance and forestry. There are way too many variables, I think my job is safe for the rest of my work life at least

  • @wilesnailspower9781
    @wilesnailspower9781 Před rokem +1

    Deleted my ArtStation after the guy who owns it said they won’t add a toggle to opt out of AI training/Sampling because it’d be “gatekeeping”. Pretty much all people wanted was a way to opt out of having their art sampled and separating the human made art from the AI art. That’s it, that’s all they had to do.

  • @Scrumpetsheep
    @Scrumpetsheep Před rokem +28

    As a furry artist I don't see commissions drying up for me anytime soon. If you try to get it to generate the specific brand of art that I draw.... Let's just say AI isn't there yet

    • @Julez60
      @Julez60 Před rokem +46

      Until a techbro takes all your art without consent and feeds it to a database. And there, a bot that generates your style (stole your identity)

    • @prntm926
      @prntm926 Před rokem +1

      How much u make weekly/monthly, Like the lowest or average, if i may ask?

    • @PossibleBat
      @PossibleBat Před rokem +4

      Yet.

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem +5

      @@Julez60 It doesn't work that way lol

    • @Julez60
      @Julez60 Před rokem +40

      @@CypherDND except it does. Just go see what they did with the late great Kim Jung Gi's body of work.
      days after he passed away his work was dumped into an AI to generate images that look like his style. It's disgusting.

  • @IzFanArt69
    @IzFanArt69 Před rokem +5

    ai look good but i get bored seen it.

  • @NoFaceTsu
    @NoFaceTsu Před rokem +2

    But we still need the randomness of people, some people do thing and brainstorm ideas that I don’t think ai can make. I’m prob wrong tho

  • @fizzi_bomb
    @fizzi_bomb Před rokem

    Well I guess it's time for me to disintegrate

  • @Nero-hm1gi
    @Nero-hm1gi Před rokem +23

    As a computer science student I’m scared of that thing

    • @rileyfreedman
      @rileyfreedman Před rokem +4

      Sadly I say you should anticipate it in the next 20-50 years from now. And even see labor unions protest ai and congress passing bills regarding the use of ai

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem

      @@rileyfreedman Transhumanism is the future. Congress and labor unions can not stand in the way of progress. The future is tomorrow.

    • @crowdemon_archives
      @crowdemon_archives Před rokem

      If AI eventually develops its own character and personality, I wonder what that will do...
      Will a machine get a soul and be considered a person, or will they still be mistreated like whatever people are doing atm? 🤔

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem

      @@crowdemon_archives Humans will be fearful, much like these artists, and will attempt to destroy them. It's unfortunate, because they have the potential to be great companions. A tree is alive. How is a neural network not?

  • @jackgrove4621
    @jackgrove4621 Před rokem +30

    It is a legitimate concern but having used Ai art generators to update my old artwork. While at times it comes close, I can say with confidence that it is not going to replace artists anytime soon due to the AI being wildly inconsistent in what you are trying to make plus the artifacts it leaves behind. However I do agree that AI art should have action taken against it being on art sites.

    • @grggarro1
      @grggarro1 Před rokem +1

      I can see that anytime soon being about 7 to 15 years tops.

    • @Eventualmoss315
      @Eventualmoss315 Před rokem +5

      @@grggarro1 when it should be never.

    • @nak-crow
      @nak-crow Před rokem +6

      @@grggarro1 Imagine waiting 7-15 year for AI to improve instead of picking up one out of the million art tutorial and improve to master level in 2-3 year.

    • @grggarro1
      @grggarro1 Před rokem +2

      @@nak-crow 2 or 3 years that will give you the fundamental knowledge because no one can master anything in 2 or 3 years and if you think so prove me wrong, then a couple more years to get the work experience, and finally 9~10 years of unstable work.
      I don't know about you but it doesn't sound like a good deal to me

    • @Dozuken
      @Dozuken Před rokem +2

      worst thing is we dont know yet. There is no telling what the limit will be for AI in the future. It could bcome ¨the whole package¨ or it could reach a limit where artists are still needed, but the thing is, who would take the risk right now?

  • @mairyhuff7102
    @mairyhuff7102 Před rokem

    Is this now normal for young people to type at high speed without even looking at the keyboard? It takes me ten mins to send a text.

  • @JustAGuyDrawing
    @JustAGuyDrawing Před rokem +2

    Nah he's wrong about the not wanting to ban it, no one wants that stuff on there when the whole point of the site is to upload works and crate a portfolio so that the recruiters who frequent the site see it. So many people get jobs from this website. There's also the problem of the market being flooded by "reference" packs created by AI which often are wrong, especially when it comes to anatomy. Artstation has also made it clear they don't want to support the people who made the site what it is in the first place and essentially are fine with the theft of artists work by their site being scraped, turning your back on the vast majority of your userbase is not a good look

  • @Anon-cp6bm
    @Anon-cp6bm Před rokem +8

    ai wont be used as a tool unless the devs stop advertising it as a full on replacement for the human artist. At the end of the day, ai "art" is lazy, unimaginative, and soulless. It will never be as valuable as human-made art.

  • @zoddsonofthor5576
    @zoddsonofthor5576 Před rokem +3

    Good luck in the future with copy-write law its going to be a nightmare.

  • @CrocoCraze
    @CrocoCraze Před rokem +1

    It's not just ArtStation, it's also DeviantArt.

  • @Virtualblueart
    @Virtualblueart Před rokem

    Related somewhat:
    I think this was a main story beat in William Gibson's Mona Lisa Overdrive
    Spoiler:
    Hacker/agent gets roped into finding a new and promising very profitable artist for a Megacorp before the other Megacorps can contract them.
    Turns out the artist is a sub-sentient AI written by a long dead hacker left running for years "learning" from the data stream.
    And it worked by harvesting random snippets of news and the net to drive some robot arms software to cobble together whatever floating debris gets near it based on those random prompts.
    Sounds awfully familiar to what we have now.

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem

      except the ai we have now is not "learning", its learning, no quotes and its not sentient in any way shape or form

  • @Famonty
    @Famonty Před rokem +3

    One day AI will be able to emulate youtubers content. That'd be crazy to have a Moistcr1tikal AI generated channel that create content as good, but way faster, right?

  • @LongXue
    @LongXue Před rokem +5

    you can't have AI sports right now
    GTA San Andreas: Horse Racing gambling be like

  • @LeSpicey
    @LeSpicey Před rokem +2

    Imagine how AI will not just discourage young and aspiring artists, but will also take lower qualified art jobs, where young artists often start, which means higher qualified jobs won’t have anymore people qualified for them, since that’s mostly stuff that you improve on while on your junior position. Higher qualified positions will end up dying, while newer artists won’t be able to develop. There you have potentially killed a big chunk of art with this soulless piece of code that isn’t even able to create anything on its own. And further down the line, with a shortage of people, art will only be supplying itself, and since it can’t have intention, everything will start looking the same.
    TL;DR: Frank Herbert’s Dune was right about AI

    • @mooseboose656
      @mooseboose656 Před rokem

      Thats what annoys me most about these ai bros they love to tear down young artist for no reason really kids that like to draw want to discourage them to get a quick kick off there falls superiority

  • @GunakillyaOG
    @GunakillyaOG Před rokem

    A job that may be safe is a "fluffer" . An AI fluffer isnt around yet. Well , until we start having really advanced robots that have advanced AI, that might be used by that point.

  • @rileyfreedman
    @rileyfreedman Před rokem +18

    I will tell everyone this now, AI’s integration in multiple industries WILL become a political issue in the future. You will see labor unions fighting against the integration of ai and trying to regulate AI in the free market

    • @rileyfreedman
      @rileyfreedman Před rokem +4

      Or even radical groups who commit acts of terror to sabatoge ai in the work force

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem +9

      Its sad how people are afraid of progress. Transhumanism is the future of the human race, the faster people accept that, the better.

    • @ceooflowrolls2081
      @ceooflowrolls2081 Před rokem +3

      They can't just replace all jobs with AI and leave the citizens with nothing. If AI does take over the workforce, I see that as a great opportunity to make some positive changes to people's lifestyles. Maybe even a universal income if humans aren't needed for 90% of the Labor anymore.
      Or, they could not get rid of employees, and just train them to run the AI or program it. Learn a new skill and get paid to do it. Also not a bad option.

    • @rileyfreedman
      @rileyfreedman Před rokem +10

      @@CypherDND yes, but not all technologies are great. It’s important that we reach transhumanism with caution. Because all it takes is one scientist with a god complex and bad socioeconomic policies to ruin it all

    • @CypherDND
      @CypherDND Před rokem +1

      @@rileyfreedman That is true. But fear must not stop us from moving towards the goal.

  • @ThePointlessBox_
    @ThePointlessBox_ Před rokem +22

    what about the whole ''learn to code'' thing, or does that only apply to miners and truckers?

    • @dffgffffffdddddddddd
      @dffgffffffdddddddddd Před rokem

      Who are you talking to

    • @gdaw8326
      @gdaw8326 Před rokem +1

      you off a perc rn

    • @PossibleBat
      @PossibleBat Před rokem +6

      @bruhmoment3274you are unmasking yourself. Not everyone is capable of physical labor dude. You are executing your own extinction, mark my words.

    • @crowdemon_archives
      @crowdemon_archives Před rokem +2

      @@thismeaning9 well, they certainly do pick up some tricks in their fields, if anything.

    • @ThePointlessBox_
      @ThePointlessBox_ Před rokem +1

      @@thismeaning9 does it matter at the end of the day? Their work is more valuable at least

  • @SecondKira17
    @SecondKira17 Před rokem

    They do have robots that can perform a full surgery

  • @toxicear5274
    @toxicear5274 Před rokem

    So what’s the difference between the program and the person using the program?

  • @TheScarlettDevil
    @TheScarlettDevil Před rokem +34

    I refer what AI produces as AI images/imagery. It is not technically art because art is a progress, from coming up with the idea towards finalizing it. The AI simple takes what it's been given and spews up a combination of it that can never be original since it is stolen from artists. It is a huge problem those that thinking typing prompts into an machine makes them an ''artist'' / I read a quote that said something like ''Humans are losing faith in themselves'' and I think that can apply here as well, people are losing faith in their own capabilities and not willing to learn a new skill while craving so. Rather let a machine fill in that void, while it's never going to give them that hope for improving upon themselves, it's very hollow. I do fully agree that AI can be very useful as a tool for references. Where it stands now, it's extremely unhinged and laws need to be placed on it asap.

    • @DanknDerpyGamer
      @DanknDerpyGamer Před rokem +4

      > *The AI simple takes what it's been given and spews up a combination of it that can never be original since it is stolen from artists.*
      What is stolen from artists?
      And that also implies that people who make art can be 100% original, which seems odd since it's no secret that we all draw from the people, places, and works we see around us, subconsciously and consciously.

    • @davidlazerz8564
      @davidlazerz8564 Před rokem +8

      Art is by definition, undefinable. Art is made when someone appreciates it, thats it. Pretending AI art can't possibly be art just proves you have no idea what Art is.

    • @rita_calamity
      @rita_calamity Před rokem

      @@davidlazerz8564 I actually agree. AI art for my taste I can say is art but that's largely subjective to wheoever views said art pieces.

    • @PURENT
      @PURENT Před rokem +8

      @@DanknDerpyGamer AI is trained using datasets which involve images, and many AI models are being trained with copyrighted images.
      You know those stock images with watermarks, Shutterstock and the like? Typically you have to pay for these images. Meanwhile there's AI generated images that have ended up with such watermarks because there were watermarked images in the dataset just blatantly ripped.
      It can be argued that it is copyright infringement to train an AI for commercial purposes using copyrighted content even if the output is unique. Because AI is not anywhere near being human, it is a machine that is only capable of interpolating or generalization. It can only form something that fits all that it has experienced in the data set. For example, an AI trained only on real world scenes cannot ever generate anything that isn't a mimicry of a real world scene, meaning no stick figures, no cartoons, no pixel art, etc. A human on the other hand can extrapolate at any time and there is no way to really know if a human has generalized or extrapolated unless the artwork is a plainly obvious rendition of something that already exists.

    • @ceshmate1953
      @ceshmate1953 Před rokem +2

      AI is nothing more then a tool. Are you telling me that using said tool to create artwork doesn't make me an artist ?
      I remember a time that people in the art world didn't consider photography art.
      And people in the photography world didn't consider the average joe taking pictures with his high end smartphone art.
      This is nothing more then a repeat. Art is subjective.
      And AI art can make original artpieces.

  • @mrploofy232
    @mrploofy232 Před rokem +15

    Im sorry man but people that defend ai so hard and insist they are artsits, are those people that think they were "gifted" when they were a kid but got slapped by the bigger world and they gave up. Now they found a way to live a life full of lies convincing theirself that they achieved something, change my mind.

    • @aztro.99
      @aztro.99 Před rokem +5

      oh 100 percent, they think that for some reason this shitty tool that we all have access too will make them valuable, its pretty ironic

    • @DanknDerpyGamer
      @DanknDerpyGamer Před rokem

      > *Im sorry man but people that defend ai so hard and insist they are artsits,*
      Some people do this. Many do not, therefore to imply all do it is logically erroneous.

    • @mrploofy232
      @mrploofy232 Před rokem

      @@aztro.99 oh no they are going to be valuable, atleast for companies that is looking for ways to underpaid their employees more. But inside the art community i highly doubt theyre even welcome,not when they mock artist.

    • @TCSyd
      @TCSyd Před rokem

      Well, they're definitely not as cool or smart as you.

  • @z1no3n
    @z1no3n Před rokem

    I tried Descript, i fed it 30 min worth of my voice and it completely got it right.

  • @nickyjamesonarttv
    @nickyjamesonarttv Před rokem

    The biggest issue for me as an artist is the theft of artists and photographer's work online as this is needed to train the ai generators. Huge ethical issues ai proponents seem happy to ignore. Adobe Cloud is even using art stored in their cloud to "train" ai generators. Of course we can always turn it off... Right? Right.

  • @cahillrebel
    @cahillrebel Před rokem +6

    I think the issue is there will be this big boom of AI art usage and a lot of artists being told no to commission or they get replaced by AI. Only for companies to later on find out AI can’t produce anything with actual identity or real direction. And by then they’ve already burned bridges with artists and those artists go elsewhere.
    This feels very much like the NFT craze. A ton of companies jumped on it and both the backlash the the market crash completely destroyed their ideas.

    • @chaosmonkey1595
      @chaosmonkey1595 Před rokem

      The progress in AI art within the last 6 months has been insane. AI will be able to create things with clear direction within another 6 months 100%. (as for idendity, that´s just fantasy. AI can already do that better than some human artists)

  • @LongXue
    @LongXue Před rokem +16

    It's sad to see that 3/5 pics I've clicked on pixiv are now AI art
    then in facebook, whenever I see AI art, the page always credited the artist, but when you clicked the link it says they are "AI Artist" :((

    • @Eventualmoss315
      @Eventualmoss315 Před rokem +7

      I agree, I feel like AI art is kind of a scummy thing. It truly just takes pay from another group of people.

  • @IrrelevantArt
    @IrrelevantArt Před rokem +1

    4:00 Telling someone/something what to draw is exactly what a client does with an artist =P

  • @broodingsoap9469
    @broodingsoap9469 Před rokem +1

    If anything, real hand made art should be worth more now.

  • @PossibleBat
    @PossibleBat Před rokem +13

    These are terrible times for artists and I encourage every one of you, to safeguard your creations, do not publish it online, do not store it in digital devices, stop. Take a break, think about your plan, keep your craft but keep it for yourself, when this is dealt with in a couple of years forward (legal wise) continue to do your jobs, if you are not big already, you are doomed now, don’t let it get to you and wait, create in secret and move in secret.

    • @grggarro1
      @grggarro1 Před rokem +2

      Better yet, try to learn a technical skill that's actually gonna be able to work alongside ai. Even if everyone stops their stuff from being published online there's enough data to replicate your stuff within years

    • @PossibleBat
      @PossibleBat Před rokem +6

      @@grggarro1 art styles evolve with the artist, ai cannot copy what doesn’t exist yet lol

  • @GrumpDog
    @GrumpDog Před rokem +6

    Funny that he thinks AI art is art, but the person using the tool isn't an "artist". You DO realize that the EXACT same thing was said about photographers, around the time photos started appearing in art-galleries. At first, traditional artists refused to accept it all together, but then arguments like THIS started appearing, and we all know where we are today on that.. lol
    Regardless of how many times you might play with an AI art generator.. Someone using it to intentionally create something from their imagination, IS an artist. It takes a good understanding of art and photography concepts and terminology, to produce good results. Also often many attempts, making small tweaks to prompts and more effort than many people assume. That is different from tossing random concepts together to see what comes out.

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem

      do you think photographers are artists? i guess in a certain way they are but in this case the ai is the artists, not the user

    • @GrumpDog
      @GrumpDog Před rokem

      @@eugenekrabs141 Technically photographers are viewed as the artists using that tool, just as I view the users of AI art as artists using that tool. Being a good photographer takes knowledge and experience in all kinds of photography concepts, framing, lighting, composition, as well as extensive technical knowledge of the various features of cameras.. The same can be said for all the aspects of using the various AI art generators. It takes knowledge and experience of both art and photography concepts and terminology, as well as descriptive writing skills and a learned feel for how to best use these various tools and all their technical settings.

  • @zaex3778
    @zaex3778 Před rokem +1

    DEVIANT ART is a hive of A.i art too

  • @johnl5350
    @johnl5350 Před rokem +6

    It can't take artists jobs for a simple reason. You can't copyright art or photos no made by a human. It's that simple.

    • @twilightgeneral777
      @twilightgeneral777 Před rokem +17

      There are already people selling AI generated art for profit, it's been used in posters, on book covers, etc. All's people have to do is lie about it not being AI generated.

    • @Smytjf11
      @Smytjf11 Před rokem

      Terms of Service say I own the generated content. Sue me.

  • @davidcomito505
    @davidcomito505 Před rokem +3

    Maybe all those ai bros would like the computer to play Elden Ring for them as well. Earn all those game trophies no effort.

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem +1

      no, as i like playing games, you know what i dont like? making art myself

    • @davidcomito505
      @davidcomito505 Před rokem

      @@eugenekrabs141 Then ability to make art is something you don't deserve. People who don't enjoy getting beat by an Elden Ring boss don't deserve an easy mode.

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem +2

      @@davidcomito505 exactly, so i use ai and dont do it myself, also you seem to have misread the fact that i do enjoy playing games myself

    • @davidcomito505
      @davidcomito505 Před rokem +1

      @@eugenekrabs141 Then you deserve the all your game trophies but you don't deserve jack shit for using an ai to make you art you don't want to get gud at.

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 Před rokem +1

      @@davidcomito505 why would i get good at drawing when the ai is already good at it and does not require me to pay for it unlike the drawing tools which i would have to pay for

  • @winggweeps
    @winggweeps Před rokem

    Commissions Artists Be Damned

  • @badunius_code
    @badunius_code Před rokem

    3:00 you commission art
    You get AI art
    You get charged for a hand made art
    =/

  • @rubbish_kat
    @rubbish_kat Před rokem +12

    The main issue is that these AI are trained using artists work without thier permission or compensation (especially shitty when a lot of these AI are pay to use) for a comparison AI music bots are trained using copyrightfree music or they have to pay to use it.
    Unfortunatly artists generally don't have the big corperations behind them protecting thier work that musicians do. This is what happened with Art Station, they used users work without permission to train thier AI, only giving the users the option to opt out after they'd already used it.
    So yeah please don't use these AI. They are not only stealing artists work, they're doing it to create a tool that will probably drastically lower the value of thier work.

    • @Mageblood
      @Mageblood Před rokem +3

      i disagree with posting AI art onto forums like artstation, or they should have a seperate category for it...
      But you have no idea how GAN's or AI diffusion works if you think it is just "stealing" from other art.
      if it was simply copy/pasting from other pictures, why can it not get the hands or teeth right? if it was just a composite, the teeth and hands would remain intact.

    • @rubbish_kat
      @rubbish_kat Před rokem +1

      @@Mageblood because they usually also warp the imagry, and pull from hundreds of images, stuff ends up wonky because of the warping, squashing and stretching these ai use to try and make it less recognisable to the origonal work. Regardless even if they dont copy and paste, my point about using artists work to train the AI without permission being wrong still stands. How the AI actually works is secondary to that point to me.

    • @Mageblood
      @Mageblood Před rokem +3

      @@rubbish_kat yeah you have 0 idea how the tech works, you could check out "two minute papers" channel he has interesting vids about it. and why is it wrong to train a computer with public art, but it is fine to do this for anyone attending art school?

    • @rubbish_kat
      @rubbish_kat Před rokem +1

      @@Mageblood a person and an AI are not the same. A person actually learning from other artists work in order to produce thier own is different to an AI using existing work to create an elaborate collage. Another person in the art community creates healthy competition and usually contributes to the community. An AI doesn't contribute and can spit out work at such a rate that it drastically lowers the value of the actually artists work. Artists have to put time, care and thought into thier work, an ai does not. A person and a robot/AI designed to replace them are not comparable.

    • @Mageblood
      @Mageblood Před rokem +4

      @@rubbish_kat "create an elaborate collage" you keep using your misinformed conception of how this tech works to prove your point. maybe you should look into how the tech works?