10 Moments Of Star Trek Foreshadowing You Never Noticed
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One forshadowing I really liked was in early Voyager. Throughout the entirety of season 2 (i think), Tom Paris constantly is rude to Chakotay and other members, shows up late to work and is super annoyed constantly. In a quiet moment with B'Elana he reveals that he just doesn't feel right aboard the voyager anymore. It's totally believeable and heartbreaking.
A few episodes later, he leaves his life on Voyager behind to start a new life with the Talaxians. Later he gets captured by the Kazon.
But then it gets revealed, that all of this was intentional by Tom, Tuvok and Janeway to identify a spy aboard the Voyager, and that all of his behavior was just to make people believe, that he's leaving for real.
In the end he tells the crew, that he totally loves his life aboard the Voyager and is sorry for being rude the last few weeks. It's honestly super heartwarming and I love it
this one as well
I wouldn’t call that foreshadowing though. It’s very clearly setup for that episode and then a reversal of expectations.
@@shamsham1229 I mean, this video also plays fast and loose with the definition of "foreshadowing". Kirks retirement in Generations was one of the movies main themes, for example.
Voyager had a ton of subplots that spanned seasons 1 through 3. I thought it was great, but apparently the writers didn't feel the same way.
That is the best one. By far.
Here's one from TNG (Best of Both Worlds Part I) that I missed for so long:
When Guinan and Picard are talking about the tradition of touring the ship before a hopeless battle, he brings up Nelson of the HMS Victory before the battle of Trafalgar. Nelson toured the ship before the battle and they were yet successful -- however, Guinan points out, Nelson did not return from the battle. (In other words, foreshadowing Picard's loss to the Borg.)
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The foreshadowing with Lorca actually goes a bit deeper, when he sleeps with Admiral Cornwell and tests the water with Michael Burnham.
If you pay attention to those scenes, you notice, that a) he is suprised about the relationship with Cornwell in this universe and b) hopes for a different reaction from Burnham... but he plays along, so nobody notices...
What did it for me was the agonizer scar they showed when he slept with Cornwell. There was no way he would have a scar that shape and they show it for how long they did, just long enough for you to know it meant something, for it not to have been an agonizer.
@@adamofgeekheim Nice catch. I didn't even realize that.
A stronger example.... in The Wrath of Khan, there's the scene where Kirk and Spock are walking down a corridor before going to the Enterprise. Spock was asking for Kirk's assessment of the Kobayashi Maru sim. The first line Kirk says when they meet is, "aren't you dead?"
And don't forget Kirk's other line which could theoretically serve as foreshadowing for Spock's death and/or the Enterprise's destruction in The Search for Spock: "They destroyed the simulator room, and you with it!"
My favourite is Vreenak in Pale Moonlight drinking his drink “it really is an impressive replica”
Good one! I didn't think of that.
Great example of actual foreshadowing, as opposed to many on the actual list!
In Star Trek Online, you get to interact with both Lorcas and immediately notice the difference after the switch. He’s colder and more willing to accept casualties, while also encouraging Landry to use her pain (from losing her girlfriend) and anger against the Klingons.
Makes you wonder if Lorca was somehow privy to the knowledge about the Defiant, allowing him to immediately realize where he ended up and adapting
The Lorca reveal really impressed me. One of those "I didn't expect that but in hindsight it makes perfect sense" situations. That twist probably kept me watching discovery.
Possibly unintentional, but the fact he listed Elon Musk as one of the 'great men of history' certainly sets off warning alarms for me now. Maybe in the Mirror Universe he actually invented things, rather then scammed people into thinking he was brilliant?
The light sensitivity thing is also something that was a retcon, it's not shown in any of the prior series mirror universe episodes.
I really felt it cheapened the character. We'd watched a man struggling through some serious PTSD who kept going just to find out he was a baddie all along.
@@AzraelThanatos Previous series had darker lighting in the Mirror Universe.
@@scittw22 It also ruined the "rousing speech" given by Burnham when she tried to stop the detonation of a superbomb in the caverns on Qo'noS.
Sounded much more like it was meant for Lorka instead of the bloody Empress of the Terran Empire.
I felt that "Year of Hell" may have also foreshadowed an alternative "what-if" reality for USS Voyager, which we would eventually see in the Season 5 finale, "Equinox." In "Year of Hell," we see a darker and more desperate Captain Janeway make several controversial decisions similar to Captain Ransom of the USS Equinox. Ransom's claim that it's easy to hang on to Starfleet regulations and morals when your crew isn't starving and your bulkheads are barely holding is, ironically, portrayed by the usually straight Janeway.
Didn't Terry Farrell just want to have more time to explore other projects? She didn't want to quit DS9 entirely iirc. She just wanted to step down from being a regular cast member. But the producers said no.
I heard both over the years, it was probably a negotiation and the original reason (mentioned in the video) was revealed later. I don't think many actors can retire from Star Trek 💰.
The worst part about that situation is that there was so much opportunity for both sides to make the best out of it.
The producers could have killed Jadzia just like they did, but still had Farrell back occasionally as a flashback or memory of her past host just like they already did several times in DS9 for previous hosts. It could have added more depth to Ezri's struggle to accept her transition as the new Dax host.
@@HermanVonPetri - Being jet back to make her replacement more palatable? I don't think anybody would have agreed to that.
@@CovenantD Terry Farrell already had asked to have her part in the show reduced so that she could work on other projects.
_She_ asked to have her role cut down. The producers instead decided to write her out entirely. My idea seems like a decent way to have it both ways.
She didn't wanted, hadn't gotted, nevered expected, hasn't returneded.
Amazing video! Also there’s that episode where Kirk’s Enterprise gets infected with the drunkenness virus. At the end when they restart their engines and slingshot around the black hole, they discover the slingshot time travel method as they’re thrown back a few days. This then becomes the standard method of time travel in TOS and in Star Trek IV.
And Picard
@@stefanmisch5272 yes that does happen to Picard’s Enterprise, but it’s only Kirk’s that ended up slingshotting around a gravity well and going back in time because of it.
That was also the show where Scotty developed the “cold start” method of igniting warp engines. Before that it had to be done slowly over 30 minute period or else the engines would explode. Of course I don’t remember of any ship actually needing to start it’s engines at all anywhere across the franchise ever again, but in-universe it seems important.
(4:16-5:25): # 7: The Next Phase is one of my favorites but while watching I kept Wondering "Why aren't Geordi and Laren phasing through the floor"🤔
It's a standard plot hole in every story about people being out of phase (with the exception of The Pegasus, as it's a ship that does it). It happens in Stargate SG-1, as well.
@@PetersonZF Funny you should mention that, the characters actually ask the same question in the episode itself.
As I understand it, Terry Farrell has said she didn't want to leave the show, she just wanted her schedule cut-back/opened-up so she could do more away from the show.
As always thank you so very much for the video.
The Lorca story was very well done in my opinion. I was ready to accept a different take on a Starfleet captain with unconventional ideas and tactics; but I only realised he was Terran practically at the same time as Michael did. All the hints, all the remarks, all of it fell into place. And I am grateful for this experience for it has become rare for a character in a story nowadays to fool me so completely. I like being surprised like this - the last major surprise for me before this one was the ending of the 2009 Star Trek movie.
I really enjoyed his character a lot. He did a great balancing act between having things his way without going too far to where people would be suspicious outright.
How about the Voyager Episode Course: Oblivion. I don't know if this is really considered for shadowing or not but, throughout the episode Paris is still a Lieutenant when Janeway had previously Demoted him back to Ensign. That was the hint to me that it wasn't the real voyager. Not really foreshadowing that they were a duplicate from the demon planet, but definitely a subtle hint that something was not right, or that it didn't add up.
I love that episode for that exact reason. The whole thing has a "something is... off" feeling before the threat really kicks in, although wow that episode is quietly horrifying.
That would have worked better if they hadn't continually got Tuvok's rank pips wrong, previously. And Chief O'Brien too, while we're at it.
I still wish Voyager would have went with the whole season story arc of Year of Hell and the Krenim. Don't get me wrong, the 2 parter is one of my favorite Trek episodes ever, but I would have loved to see it as a whole season story instead, slowly showing the ship being destroyed and losing people here and there. And they could have went deeper into Annorax etc as well.
5:08 Wonder if anyone onboard pegasus went through what jeordi and ro went through and went outside the ship and died or are still roaming around invisible
You have just made that episode like 100 times more quietly horrifying. All those bodies of people that will never be recovered and nobody will know what happened to them.
@@efulmer8675 💀
I am surprised you missed The Wrath of Khan. In the opening scene with the Kobayashi Maru simulation, they are attacked by Klingons, almost everyone on the bridge "dies", including Spock. Then Kirk appears and gives a lecture on facing death. This is direct foreshadowing to what was going to happen to Spock towards the end of the film.
Isn't it supposed to be about facing one's own death more than colleagues/those under your command?
@@maxek46 which Spock did. He's the Captain here.
@@sureshmukhi2316 Possibly, but I was referring to Saavik who's in command during the simulation :)
@@maxek46 Kirk specifically told her that "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life, wouldn't you say?"
Spock took that literally when he went to the engine room to repair the engine. It may not have been Saavik who died, but definitely Kirk was foreshadowing someone's death, in this case Spock's.
@@sureshmukhi2316 Oh I see what you mean, sorry, I thought your original point was more about the Kobayashi Maru part. Need to watch the movie again now we've been talking about it!
All Star Trek shows, have many many many episodes of foreshadowing, actually practically every episode of any of the shows .. 🙈list needs a part 2 and 3 or even more
Most glaring omission here is how ST:TNG episode "Coming of Age" foreshadowed the episode "Conspiracy".
My favorite bit of foreshadowing was the parasite aliens from TNG's Conspiracy! that still hasn't panned out. So much potential.
They should have turned out to be Species 8472
Lower Decks should show them coming back, but after dealing with the Borg and the Dominion, the little bugs are barely a threat and get dealt with in an off-hand manor.
those were actually supposed to be the Borg. And in the season 2 finale, Starfleet and Romulans would have teamed up against them, destreoying them. Those were the original plans since " The neutral zone", but the writer's strike during season 2 and budget concers prevented that from happening.
Source: The TNG Bluray features
Star Trek Online features them in one of the story arcs.
@@andromidius yes they do
Janeway and crew completely forgot about Kess' warning about the Krenin - OR the warning was erased when Kess' time shifting was stopped.
Or the Krenim weapon ship being fired anytime between.
* Kes
Kes leaves the ship soon after seven of nine joins, so she was never there during year of hell, so it all becomes an alternate reality.
Another one, in The Undiscovered Country, before the dinner with the Klingons the two crewmen meet Valeris and she tells them "you men at work", they reply "yes mam", then she says "then snap to it." Then we see a subtle smirk from her which foreshadows Gorkon's assassination.
Terry Farrell didnt want to quit. You really need to check your research as i've noticed videos recently from What culture are getting worse when it comes to totally wrong information. She wanted less screen time, less hours, but Berman told her she either stays with what she had or leaves, so she left. Another video of yours even talks about it!
Omg this is waaayyy to low down! I thought I must’ve been the only one thinking this! So many basic mistakes!!
I think neither the writer of the script nor the narrator are Trekkies or they'd know the truth because it was literally in the DS9 documentary.
For me, the best foreshadowing in hindsight is that the first Section 31 episode in DS9 is the episode *immediately after* In the Pale Moonlight. I know it's likely just a coincidence, but there's a part of me that wonders if this was deliberately done by the writers?
Reverse-foreshadowing: "The Emissary" - Worf wins big at poker, then every other episode he completely looses.
Foreshadowing isn't just 'setting up the future events', otherwise everything of consequence is forshadowing up until the climax, its a specific to smaller details and often not even setup but thematic parrellels and dialogue. An example of the latter is the hinting to Jadzia's death, at the funeral when the camera cuts to her - in universe O'briens comment didn't physically create the events that followed. A more interesting example is the mockingjay being a thematic parrellel for katnis everdeen in the hunger games novels. We learn in the first book that the bluejay were later genetically engineered to mirror voices and essentially record and play back the voices of others, becoming mockingjays. At the start she's a bluejay, using her song in the games, giving her a distinct and graceful appearance. However by the thirdbook she's twisted and formed into a mockingjay, a tool of the state mirroring and repeating what's asked of her.
I'm glad someone else noticed that many things on this list were not foreshadowing.
@@roberthunter5059 Did you know that when kirk pressed the pannel on the door, that was actually foreshadowing for the door to open? Also you know how holodecks exist? that was actually foreshadowing for how fifteen episodes later the holodeck appears.
@@krissybaglin9206 lol!
@@krissybaglin9206 lmao. Yeah most of this wasn't foreshadowing at all.
With the light sensitivity, they might have looked at Mirror Universe ships in ENT and noticed that lighting was kept low as opposed to prime universe Enterprise.
For a long time, I liked Shatner’s explanation for the Mirror Universe and how it appeared. It was a coin flip made by Cochrane on the morning after first contact. He was debating whether to tell the Vulcans about the Borg and flipped for it. Presumably, he remained silent in the prime universe but told them in the mirror universe. They believed him and formed a military alliance that eventually became evil. Granted, this all stopped making sense after the ENT mirror universe episodes, but still…
Shatners explanation is incompatible with what is shown in the episode.
Cochrane flat out kills the first Vulcan after he failed to perform the hand sign and the rest of the people start to board the ship.
@@Tezunegari Shatner’s books were written well before ENT
With the Roman-style salute, calling Kirk a potential Caesar, and using the Latin-based word Terra for their empire, I always figured the Mirror Universe was one where Rome was more militaristic and never fell.
@@DrFranklynAnderson "MORE" militaristic? everything about them was pretty much the military already...
@@DrFranklynAnderson But then the odds are incredibly low of world events playing out for Zefram Cochrane to even exist, let alone make his warp flight on that exact day.
excellent work, one of the best videos so far!
There were 2 examples from Star Trek:Enterprise that foreshadowed TNG
One was when the science team encountered the remains of the borg that were destroyed in Star Trek:First Contact in the scene where T'Pol informed Archer the assimilated science team sent a message into Borg occupied space and Archer said they'd could expect to hear about sometime in the 24th century
There's also in another episode where Travis and Malcom were having a conversation in the mess hall talking about Starfleet crews being able to take their families with them as they explored the galaxy with Malcolm stating,"They'd have to include a psychiatrist if I brought my family along"
A basic foreshadowing was Coming of Age. Picard is the subject of an inquisition because Admiral Quinn believed something was very wrong with Starfleet and needed to know if Picard could be trusted.
This leads to Conspiracy, a full 6 episodes later. After a secret rendezvous with other Captains ends with him and the crew the only ones to have lived long afterward, Picard takes Admiral Quinn's feelings regarding a conspiracy to heart.
And should we count the final scene of Wrath of Khan as foreshadowing The Search for Spock?
Oh. And the credits of Lower Decks foreshadowing that Shax was coming back like he never left and everyone but Rutherford just being like "They're always coming back to life." And they make a big thing about how Rutherford needs to know, much like the fans, only to essentially not tell while also saying just knowing about it can be traumatizing.
Oh. And another thing. The Mirror Universe is darker? Since when? None of the Mirror Universe characters before Discovery said anything about the lights in the "Prime" universe, did they? Were they just being polite or something?
Oh. That does bring up an interesting point. When you're beaming onto a ship, does the transporter adjust your eyes the same way that it seems to adjust your posture? Because beaming off of a planet and into a ship would require some adjustments to your eyes.
About the mirror universe: it wasn't stated outright, but Terran ships appearing in series prior to Discovery had their interior lights dimmed compared to their Prime Universe counterparts, and Mirror Archer squints when he steps onto the fully lit bridge of the USS Defiant in ENT.
@@dermotcraddock4802 Never noticed. Thanks for the clarification.
@@silversonic1 You're welcome! It's not exactly obvious. 😅 Could count as very subtle foreshadowing all on its own.
Also with Bashir and Section 31, Bashir from the first episode is interested in spy craft and spys.
Farrell didn't want to Quit DS9, she merely wanted to be dropped to a Co-starring state. Appearing in Random episodes.
It's the writers of the show that said No. and that's why she was Killed off.
4:36 "Fire at Will!"
Interesting the horse theme reoccurs with Kirk when he is trapped by the ribbon and visited by Picard.
Noticed most of these, then again, I am so adept at spotting foreshadowing that I often spoil myself various shows, while watching them for the first time. Especially cop drama shows (at least those with decent writing).
The stories you covered were many of the top episodes in each of the series as well.
Fantastic love discovering more story's I've yet to see of star trek... Voyager two parter is on my list for tonight 🖖
Denise Crosby as Sela in A Mind's Eye two episodes before the cliff hanger finale. Also, the vision that Sisko had of the swarm of locusts heading to Cardassia foreshadowed the Dominion fleet going there a few episodes later when they joined forces.
I heard that the writers aka Burman wrote Terry out of the show bc she want a raise and also more time to work on other projects. So instead of negotiating, the person who later ruined Enterprise got 'revenge' of Terry.
Wasn't there a proposed Star Trek anthology series that focuses on different crews at different points in time? I really think they need to revisit the events in "The Neutral Zone". Did the Romulans successfully drive back a Borg incursion?
I believe that became "Strange New Worlds". I like it better than "Discovery".
Remember when Yar was in the “penalty box” and she said “I’m gone”.
The connection between "Before and After" and "Year of Hell" goes so deep that the torpedo variance measured by Kes and Seven is the same -1.47 microseconds
The episode *The Neutral Zone* also proves that Q did not cause the arrival of the Borg into Federation Space; they already knew about the Federation and had made exploratory probes. What Q did was to essentially give the Federation a heads-up on the situation in his usual unforgettable way; making the Federation aware of the Borg threat *that was already ongoing* in a way it could not ignore. Q therefore ensured the Federation would not be caught totally unaware when the events of Best of Both worlds began. Whether or not that was his original intention is another matter, but considering his love-hate relationship with Picard I think it was.
I love this list. Over the pandemic I rewatched the original Star Trek all the way through DS9. So I'm having a fresh memory of alot of this list.
The foreshadowing of WesleyCrusher becomming more and transcending humanity from The Traveller was pretty good imo. ^_^
Ellie, always good to see you
Not really number 9 there was only one "reference" to species 8472 when Bellana said "maybe skmeone more powerful than the borg defeated them". Otherwise the borg cube was damaged by an accident, not 8472
"...and his long lost love Antonia."
Of whom no one had ever heard before, and would never hear again.
Maybe is should be called Top 10 Moment of Star Trek Forshadowing. Most of those moments I noticed when I watched it
Most of these become fairly obvious once you start repeat viewings of episodes. I suppose that's the beauty of foreshadowing - you don't realise the significance of certain words or events until you rewatch with the benefit of hindsight. Great list.
Foreshadowing vs callback
In the TNG episode The Most Toys, La Forge and Wesley are in Data’s quarters reminiscing over the fact that Data is gone (They don’t know he’s still alive) and they come across one of his paintings, and the painting looks like the Bajoran Wormhole
I had Lorca figured out from the first time he did that. That one was way too easy.
I remember the first mention of the Dominion, by name, in DS9 season 2 episode 16 "Shadowplay." The Changelings received their first mention, also by name, in season 1 episode 11 "Vortex."
It was also mentioned I believe in sanctuary season ep 10. The refugees planet was conquered by the dominion
@@sheamus83 I had forgotten about that episode. Thank you for mentioning it.
There was a Jem Hadar (spy?) in the background on DS9 on an episode before they met the Dominion.
Switch 1 and 3 around the fore shadowing of the dominion was much more than just 1 episode and I love the fact that they introduced the dominion in a ferengi episode
They wrote out Kes's warning to Janeway about the "year of Hell." If not, Voyager would have been prepared, it wasn't.
Yup, I did miss all that. Drat!
My favourite foreshadowing in trek was when I think it was Ira Steven Ber wrote in parentheses for a script (possibly for the first episode with weyoun) that when weyoun shakes hands with odo he's transmitting the virus that forces him back to the changelings
Ok so anyone ever wondered how Geordi and roe were able to walk through walls but didn’t fall through the floors.
I know this would’ve been impossible to do in the show but it’s always the Mets bug me is so they can’t touch anything but they can touch the floors.
Again I know the feasibility shooting this for tv but no one else mentions that when discussing that episode
All of the flooring has gravity plating so perhaps while they couldn't impart force in normal space, gravity still applied to them. The walls having no such plating presented no opposition?
I wondered about that as well as how they were able to breath. They would have suffocated just as they would have eventually starved to death by not being able to eat any food. This episode required more than the usual amount of suspension of disbelief!
@@JohnnyWednesday Get that they might have been pulled by the grav plating but they wouldn’t have had any booster for their momentum to walk they wouldn’t have anything press against when they’re stepping so I get what you’re saying by the grav plating but it still doesn’t explain how they would be able to walk as if they’re pressing against a physical object when they could not physically touch anything
@@danwills9981 I get what you’re saying because they were out of phase that is in the air molecules will also be out of phase. I never ever thought of that.
I thought I had a good point with the floor thing but damn that’s even better point because oxygen molecules would no longer be in phase with their lungs to be able to use it
@@Peaceforall20111 - You're right :) just trying to form the basis of a theory
There was an instance of foreshadowing that was never followed through on. What happened to the signal sent by the parasites in the ST:tNG in the "Conspiracy" episode. Will they ever come back? Have there been clues their existence elsewhere?
"Never noticed" following by story elements that are central to the episodes in question.. Everyone noticed the Species 8472 and Borg foreshadowing, because that was the whole point of the episodes.
2:16 three-legged...Wait..what?? species 8472 are three legged?? I thought that was like a tail or something...
Mind blown...
I'd go with Kes' warnings as being said in an alternateish timeline, cos wibbly wobbly timey wimey... :P
8. The discovery under Lorka was a dark place. Figuratively *and* literally. He always was steeped in Darkness.
A interesting trick of visual storytelling.
This also explained why it was always dark in the mirror universe.
1. Apparently Year of Hell had been planned as a whole season Arc. Hence the foreshadowing on par with "the neutral zone".
From the start I always felt that Voyager should have basically been a 7 year long “Year of Hell,” such that the ship and crew would become more and more bashed and patched up. They could have had a few reset points, where the ship was mostly repaired and restocked, but IMO everything being reset for each episode REALLY took away from the entire point of the series
And yet, despite being warned, Voyager blunders ahead into The Year of Hell.
Actually, I not noticed that last one about the Year of Hell but was fully expecting them to develop it later in the series. I'm sure I'm not the only Voyager fan who speculated they planned to go somewhere with that idea either. It seemed pretty obvious to *me* at the time, and I'm not especially perspicacious tbh); though I speculated there would be something more than a single two-parter.
The Dominion are also mentioned in season 2 ep10 Sanctuary, when refugees come through the wormhole fleeing dominion rule
The TNG episode with LaForge and Ro phasing bothered me. How were they able to walk on the floors without falling through? When the Romulan left the ship through a bulkhead, why didn't he just come back in? Since they couldn't interact with matter, they didn't need to breathe, and the cold temperature would have been harmless.
5:00 I just realized that pretty much everytime TNG did an Admiral they were boring, but every time they did a Captain they were usually pretty awesome. (Jellico, Maxwell and Ransom) I had always wished that instead of Eddington they busted Maxwell out of prison for one of the greatest "I told you so'' arcs of all time. Imagine if they had done an episode focused on him, where like Kirk (and reference it!) he steals the Phoenix out of drydock. Could really have put O'Brien's loyalty through the ringer, maybe to the point where there is nearly a cvili war. I felt that arc never really panned out and they switched over to the Dominion war instead.
In the DS9 episode the assignment Keiko O'Brian was possessed by a Pah Wraith and Jake asked her while she was in the Fire Caves if she met any Pah Wraith. She said no and he said i would like to meet one. She responded "Who knows you just might". a season or so later in the episode The Reckoning after Capt. Sisco breaks the Tablet of the Emissary found in the lost city of B'hala it releases a Prophet and a Pah Wraith. Kira is inhabited by the Prophet and Jake is possessed by the Pah Wraith. Further more the episode Rapture is a lead up to that episode where Capt. Sisco finds the aforementioned lost city of B'hala. And his visions leading him to find the city also foreshadow the invasion force of the Dominion spilling out of the Wormhole.
I hope one day to get a Borg Vs Dominion battle
Too bad about the Founders plague though... I would have loved to see an assimilated Founder!
The worst thing about Jadzia Dax dying is that we got Ezra out of it. Kinda like the mirror universe death of Tasha Yar.
Question...what do the first 30 sections do?🙂
Every one of these were noticed at the time. Every single one.
2:29. this looks a lot like a Vorlon ship from Babylon 5.
Mirror Universe counterpart or not, I liked Capt. Gabriel Lorca. Given that Discovery’s first season was set in the Federation/Klingon War (as Picard noted in the TNG episode “First Contact”, the UFP’s first contact with the Klingons was ‘disastrous’)*, his brilliance as a tactician was what the NCC 1031 needed. Starfleet does have a military role as part of its role. Just like Mirror Spock, Emperor Tiberius I, Mirror Archer and Empress Hoshi, he’s a likable character.
HOW AND WHY ARE YOU STANDING IN FRONT OF THE CLOSET DOORS IN MY CHILDHOOD BEDROOM?!?!
Garak always talked about the kardassians with dr bashir which we see play out in future episodes of ds9
Lorca being from the mirror universe was hardly a surprise... 😄
Honestly it flew over my head at the time. It’s obvious in hindsight but I never saw it coming. Then it all came together
I don't think photosensitivity counts because they added that for this arc. Nothing we'd seen before of the Mirror Universe had this.
Sloan requested Bashir's help as Harris sought Lt. Malcolm Reed's assistance for Section 31. Archer needed his help looking for T'Pol and Trip's cloned baby. He later got Trip's help in defeating the Romulans in that last episode. Trip didn't die; he faked it to undergo that mission to undergo that mission. "TNG" used the holoprogramme to kill off "Enterprise". Too bad "DS9" didn't kill off "TNG" in its 4th season.
Kes gives them all that information so they can at least start making adjustments in order to be better prepared for what was to come and Voyager didn't jack. That whole show could've been a whole lot better if the damn writers and producers actually committed to the whole premise of being stranded with no federation help. but that's a whole different discussion
I was surprised to see the borg vs species 8472 on this list because I always thought it was obvious that they were connected. I guess if your exposure to Voyager was through binge watching it maybe it could be missed but if you watched Voyager back when it was current it was obvious,. By season 3 fans were so starved for borg content that as soon as we got our first scrap it was analyzed, reanalized, then analized again. Whether Unity holds up over time as a good episode is open to debate but at the time there was a lot of displeasure from the fans for waiting 3 years and getting Unity as the first borg episode of Voyager..
Dax’s death was also hinted at in the episode sacrifice of Angels. When Sisko forces/persuades the prophets to intervene in the war they say that a penance must be enacted. I think it was a hint that someone on the crew was going to do die.
I always thought the penance there was referring to a) "the sisko shall never find peace on Bajor" indicating he would never be able to go there for any length of time(he always wanted to retire there), AND b) The eventual conclusion of the show, where he is forced to join the prophets in the celestial temple. Or equally, b) his son being the host for the par-wraith in revelations and that he never got to say goodbye to his son in "what you leave behind"
(I know various canon adjacent books have tried to fix this though)
Live long and prosper 🖖
Lorca. The space whale he didnt know the regs for preservation an was suprised an dismissive of them. It was then i knew he wasnt a real starfleet captian.
Jadzia Dax leaving Deep Space nine was only a surprise if you didn't watch Becker on a regular basis. When you're on a week in week out character on one show and you start acting as a week in week out character on another show like Becker it is fairly telltale that your leaving the first show in the near future.
Who knows how many times the Krenim weapon ship was fired between Kes' warning, and Year of Hell. That timeline may've been erased.
3:39 star trek fans who are also harry potter fans would/should have been on their guard about Lorca from the word go considering Lorca is played by the same man that played Lucius Malfoy who incidentally also was a bad guy pretending to be a good guy.
Farrell did not want to quit ... she was simply tired of being a main cast credited character and wanted more time for herself to explore other possibilities ... so when confronted with this she basically gave them an ultimatum ... give her her more time off and relagate Jadzia to more of a cameo character or she would walk ... the produces at the time said fine ... theres the door and that was the end of her character ... similar but not quite the same as what they did for Denise Crosby -- who felt that you could literally replace her with a cardboard standee of her character and the viewers wouldnt notice the difference ... she then offered to resign if they didnt give her character more to do and was subsequently shown the door (one of my favorite moments in Trek btw as i really didnt like her character -- not because it was the actresses fault ... but because of how she was written and it really seemed to me that she was totally unnecessary -- because she was right ... all her character did was stand behind picard and riker had like one or two lines 'maybe' sometimes touch the screen in front of her or maybe exposit some plot dialogue ... she was literally a cardboard cutout character...)
Yeah, WC seems to be giving less and less of a shit about quality control. Ellie is really just a reader.
Yar had such possibility to explore, though. The writers really did not handle it well.
@@jcspoon573 i agree ... they gave her an interesting backstory but just didnt go anywhere with it
You put Year of Hell as #1 in foreshadowing when it is one of the worst plot holes of the entire series. Firstly, Kes warns them about the Krenim, like you said, but then they are not actually prepared for anything that happens. They went so far as to give the same temporal frequency from the torpedo in both episodes, something that is key in building a defense against the Krenim. It's also the frequency that was needed to save Kes. So they should already have that information!
(Also, Kes propels Voyager 10k lightyears closer to Earth when she departs the ship, so they should have hopped over Krenim space to begin with)
How can Year of Hell be the darker side of the show if it never happened?
Terry Farrell didn't want to quit, she wanted her hours reduced in order to do the things you said. She was killed off as a "f**k you" by the powers that be after they tried to bully her into staying on full-time; saying that she was nothing before Star Trek and being real assholes about it.
Hints about future plot holes I think is what you meant to say.
Your info for Dax is so wrong it hurts. Watch the ds9 doco for the real reason Terry Farrel left. It wasn't because she wanted to do pilots. She wanted to be a show regular but they would sign her off on that, so she didn't renew and was killed off.
Ferrell didn't want to quit, she just wanted to have less time on-screen.
Oh we noticed the foreshadowing of the Borg. It was pretty obvious at the time....
I'm not sure you understand the meaning of foreshadowing. Lorca's sensitivity isn't foreshadowing because we have no reason to doubt him. Finding out it's a Terran thing doesn't make it foreshadowing just because he did a thing that later turns out to be another thing.
"three legged race" oh you sweet naive chil'