Ancient Wisdom, Carl Jung and the Physics of Consciousness | Timothy Desmond, Ph.D
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- Timothy Owen Desmond, Ph.D enters the mind meld!
In this brain-melting transmission, we link the ancient wisdom of Plato to the philosophy of Carl Jung and and modern theoretical physics.
Timothy Owen Desmond is the author of Psyche and Singularity: Jungian Psychology and Holographic String Theory.
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Back in 1987 after a car accident I was recuperating from surgery in a Denver hospital with nothing to do but watch bad tv and thumb through old National Geographic magazines.
One issue had two articles of interest: the cave art of Lascaux, and ancient Greek architecture.
I read the latter first, wherein there was a drawing depicting the front of the Parthenon and describing how the ancient Athenians had discovered 'the golden mean' as the most aesthetically pleasing proportionality to the human eye, thus using it nearly anywhere they built anything. It is thus found so in Nature.
Later that day while delving into the Lascaux article they presented a photo of a stag. And there in a corner of the stone wall at Lascaux was what looked like a Golden Rectangle. Within a day (and thanks to a very charming young British nurse) I was able to get a compass and protractor and druggist's ruler and measure both pictures and sure enough! The rectangle on the wall at Lascaux, which predates the Greek discovery by thousands of years, represented an accurate prehistoric depiction of the mathematically precise Golden Mean--and likewise in an 'artistic setting', so to speak....
The notion that a geometric object only observable subliminally in nature could find something resembling an epistemological yet unsymbolic basis as an archetype of the collective unconscious, across vast stretches of time and place, and that I would find evidence of it from unrelated articles in the same publication, was a startling experience.
Have you ever searched for the idea online? I found this by searching "Lascaux Cave Golden rectangle."
"While conducting research in the summer of 2016, Dr. Elliot McGucken came across the earliest use and appearance of the golden ratio (and golden spiral) in figurative paintings and sculpture, dating to over 40,000 years ago."
That’s a fascinating observation and discovery. I’ve been intrigued by the Megalithic Yard and the relationship to the Celtic Cross.
@@djquinn11 Sounds like a good mining operation to me!
I feel bad for your accident but I ain’t reading all that
@@constantin240 Yea. I read somewhere American adults today have the concentration span 3rd graders had in 1960. I feel for you and your itty bitty world lol!
Every day is a fresh start, an opportunity to fill your life with positivity and gratitude. Embrace the beauty of each new day!
Until u remember ur ex left then u pissed off again lol but ur right
Facts. There’s a positive side to everything. It’s allll about controlling & choosing our thoughts.
I use to be an atheist. I actually got put on my path by studying Tesla, and hearing what he has said in interviews. Which lit my natural curiosity. The the further down my path I went, the more doors opened. Then things started to chain together in my mind. I've had a few times in my life where I gain perspective and see things in a whole new way. You are almost embarrassed of your previous perspective., and then you understand why mystics only taught certain people. Some will can never see things the way you do until they can understand your perspective. Is that a tiny bit of enlightenment? I don't know. I do know that this shift has opened my mind to things I never considered before, and I feel like I don't have such a big hole in me anymore. Which I take that as my new passion of studying isn't a waste of time.
Which witch?
@@JohnWilmerdingnot a witch but the idea of a witch and maybe an idea from where language came and how that affected our ideas on biology? I do have a perspective
Holy shit……. You just reminded me of a NDE I had that was this exact experience!!!!!!!!
I don’t remember dying or leaving or turning off.
I do recall this experience tho.
When i died.
I was completely gone.
I had no idea of Me or I or other.
I just was!
It felt like eons passed.
I was a beacon of light mass pulsing through the galaxy alone.
I recall gathering materia as i pulsed and grew into a bigger light.
Slowly awareness became available. I had a “memory” in there of “my brother” being another “star” in the galaxy.
Then my “self” activated and “my mind” said “you must return”
“You are part of a unit and your work is not done”
I remember “crying in the ether as a star” ⭐️ then i grew and grew and grew and traveled across the cosmos to return to my “body”
I awoke on the floor of my apartment with my glasses on the floor and it seems like i fell and hit my head on the table when i “passed” . Im ok and concussion. 🤕 😂❤🎉
I have many more tales like this.
Some are real life encounters with “spirits, or whatever words we want to use here. Shadow people and possibly UT or ET. Never sure 🤷🏻♂️
Anyway here i am now ❤
35 year alchemy, etymology, gematria, quantum, and culture geek here
Please give your account to IANDS website. Thanks for sharing.
In this galaxy , did it feel soo vast and soo many stars of every color? And moving was effortless like the focus of a eye? And emotions was still there but no where as strong. For i have a memory of being , before here. And i dont understand it but i was just there waiting. I was actually anxious. And I remember turning right it felt like and i sa a single star surround by the void. It was different. it was separated or somewhere else.
@user-jk1dh2zi7hAnd you know that for sure because you are so much smarter than anyone else
@user-jk1dh2zi7h Have you had an NDE?
@user-jk1dh2zi7h You have no idea what you're talking about.
Found your stuff after getting on a Jung tangent and I just want to say thank you for putting these topics into such a humble and easy to digest form. Watching your videos has helped me progress so just wanted to express my gratitude
Muzzy here…
At 1:07:00 into video they talk of “singularity”. I’ve always hoped of a international “gestalt” when everyone snaps out of their illusions and realizes that we are all connected. I wonder what that would be like and how that would change how people treat each other and the planet. Anyway…. ✌🏻
Modern research on Near Death Experience by Raymond moody, reincarnation memories by Ian Stevenson/Jim trucker and past lives regression by Brian Weiss all independently but coincidentally show that our consciousness survive death, we live many lives and our thoughts and actions matter in the hereafter.
So be kind and helpful to others, be virtuous, meditate and cultivate ourselves to higher spiritual levels. Cheers.
Unfortunately this will never happen until we as a species learn to respect everyone’s differences. We also can’t move forward until we can forgive all the slavery and past slights of our fore fathers. Once we can forgive the transgressions of the past and accept peoples differences, we will never move forward as a species.
Watching them lay the Chemtrails overhead, as we speak.
Where do these fuckers think they can go after the ENTIRE ecosystem is destroyed?
Probably my favorite mind meld yet! Can’t wait to here the next episode!
The algorithm calls, and I respond 👁
You’re a true initiate 🙏
Same 🎉
All hail
Synchronicities abound. 👌
The algorithm works sometimes 😎👌🏽.
Such a great episode on all accounts from start to finish. I have been actively searching for something, anything that explores and synthesizes the thinking of Jung, Hegel, and Plato, so that was such a welcome finish to the episode.
This was, for me, an exhilarating of Carl Jung's Plato, moving within his life's writings with Enistein and those others in mathematics and quantum mechanics.
The Chariot and the two horses.
"Reading Plato through Jung" Professor Paul Blakely, Plato - Tomias alchemy.
1. Why must the 3 become the
4.
2. The Psychology of the Unconscious.
3. The Religion of the East and West.
4. Gerte emerges 1 & 2
5.Jung's Answer to Job, Nietzsche Anti-Christ
Poem, Urte Orphis- Gerte
Gothe how we speak abouts myths.
Not simply but overcoming it most Lacyanian Despair.
Jung said himself, "I am Jung. but not Jungian."
May we all appreciate C.J. Jung and his work.
A man of enormous contributions and insights of those who were able to work with him.(Even though his moments of being frustrated and difficult)
With deep appreciation and respect for being able to listen to both of you.
I remember talking a philosophy class and thinking constantly that I remembered the stories though I had never learned them before. But it was so familiar to me. It’s the collective conciousness I think being aware of it.
This transmission was a true mind meld for me. Much of what you talked about have been disparate ideas in my mind. This kinda tied everything together. Thanks man, keep’’em coming!
This is an astonishly expansive conversation. Many sparks starting mind fires.. thank you 🙏🏼
Great conversation,thank you.
Plato explicitly states in the Republic that geometry helps one apprehend the Form of the Good. The key to opening the mystery of the Platonic solids may not be too far away. Amazing things are in the wind.
Might be my fav episode thus far 🙌🏼✨
I think this is my new favorite channel. Loved your chat with ali beiner.
Gave your algorithm a right tickle ❤
Love to hear it! Thank you and welcome!
@@THIRDEYEDROPS is there much of a community thing going on with a patreon type subscription?
So happy to have found this channel❤
Yet another amazing episode.
I thought this video was released previously. It is deep . A lot to crunch . Love the thoughts about the pleroma and individuation . Will need to listen again . ✅
I’m enjoying being a new listener of your podcast.
Welcome 🙏
Literally the most underrated podcast of all time! Can’t wait to see the growth become exponentially.
Thank you my friend ✌️
37 minutes into video they talk about Jung’s near death experience and the crazy dreams he had days afterwards. Very cool stuff! Keep doing what you do 3rdeyedrops, this stuff is awesome!!!!! 😊😮❤
I just realized this is the first video that has ever made me watch entirely, subscribe, like, save, and comment 🤯
Thanks for the great conversation.....I was thinking of the E8 Lattice when you spoke of an all inclusive Sacred Geometry Model.
Yeah I probably was too! If you want to trip yourself out, look at that, then look at the sepher yetzirah. There’s a straight up EERILY similar image in it.
Really enjoy
enjoying listening to this and the way you integrate the wisdom of ages
🙏🙏🙏
Philosophy generally has been frustrating for me as a spiritual non-materialist thinker but this discussion was very interesting and mind opening! Really enjoyed it. Thanks
There’s an old saying. “ there are none so blind as those who will not see. “........... if I talk about these things people think I’m nuts 🥰
Coming across your videos and this is exactly what i want to do with my life, down to the edits of images and just the simple set up talking with intresting people about intresting subjects, i dont understand how content like twitch kick streamers like neon and aiden ross get paid so much when content like this is 100% more real genuine
An intresting, i dig it man inspires me to get on with it. Ive subscribed, keep it up man 👊🏾
Welcome my friend 🙏
Thank you for this enlightening conversation
You guys are 100% right.
My guy, you GOTTA talk to iain mcgilchrist. This was an amazing talk.
Thanks man, would love to!
0:00: ⚛️ Interconnection of mathematical forms, spiritual realm, and eternal life through consciousness exploration.
9:30: 🔍 Interconnection between holographic string theory, information conservation, and near-death experiences.
18:33: 🔍 Exploring the connection between mathematical forms, archetypes, and eternal life through a religious and spiritual lens.
27:47: 🧠 Exploration of the soul's journey towards higher truths through allegorical chariot analogy.
36:53: 🧠 Carl Jung's near-death experience in 1944 is crucial in understanding his work and philosophy.
45:02: ⚛️ Interconnection between physics and psychology through the concept of highest intensity and smallest space.
53:56: 🧠 Concepts of time and existence in Plato's metaphysics and Jung's philosophy, exploring the noetic realm.
1:02:53: 🌀 Mandala imagery as a psychological compensation for conflicting theories in physics.
1:11:31: 🌌 God is defined as the all-encompassing singularity, distinct from individual beings, according to Carl Jung and a Jesuit priest.
1:20:41: ⚛️ Exploration of individuality, soul, and the hero's journey towards true nature and calling.
1:29:27: 🧠 Exploring philosophical identity, lineage, and guidance in understanding one's beliefs.
1:38:17: 💡 The concept of maximizing freedom as a way to achieve completion and individuation, influenced by Hegel's philosophy.
1:47:31: 👽 Exploration of philosophical implications of mirrorsymmetries, individuation, and freedom, with a hint at the UFO phenomenon.
Timestamps by Tammy AI
Thank you!
Good work!
what about language? I have perspectives if you would like to hear?
Vein of pure gold ✨️ thank you
Great interview
I keep rewinding so I don’t miss a word!
Great stuff 👍
A while back now I went through a period of pretty much constant synchronous events. I could be thinking about something totally unrelated to what was happening in the external world but it would always somehow show up as I was thinking it or right after I was done. I honestly thought I was going insane in the clinical sense. It didn't seem benevolent though, it felt very sinister. It happened with such frequency and precision that I couldn't see how it could have been just a product of my own mind, but at the same time what I was experiencing was totally unreal and impossible according to how I knew the world to work. Eventually I couldn't stand it any longer and one day just told it to stop and leave me alone, that whatever it was is it was trying to tell me something I wasn't getting the message. It is. It stopped. It stopped that same day. Reading about the symptom of schizophrenia gave me the closest description to a clinical description, although it wasn't a perfect match it was close, but unless I'm mistaken schizophrenia can't be willed sway, nor can any other types of psychosis. That's another point in the corner of it not being "all in my head". Whatever it was I hope I get a change to ask it what the hell it wanted from me because that was one of the world experiences of my life which itself is filled with other negative experiences.
I really like this harmonization of ideas from your brilliant minds. Wanted to share this from Paul Tillich, who states, "... you can erect two signposts, but you cannot describe what lies between them. Eternal life is neither continuation nor extinction of the conscious self." Some mysterious in-between or reconciling the poles of returning to the pleroma versus remaining that individualized distant star. Humbly
Love this
I remember! Thank you ❤
Plato's main thrust was don't expect that much understanding of things with limited (5 senses) perception here, we merely expand on the illusion that runs alongside your never ending story.
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Brilliant conversation. Quite illuminating
This is great, food for the soul
I have this!!! I went on that specific Heros Journey. I have been obsessed with this work and frantically attempting to make a documentary. I have returned with the elixer! I literally don't joke. I just finished my atonement and resurrection!!!!!!! And Aliens... I would love to speak to you. HOLY SHIT
Thank you : )
I’m 100% with you on our universe being in a singularity (black hole). No way to tell we’re not.
I love the way you said "let's unpack this" instead of "let's dumb this down"
Just found this channel yest and I'm impressed. I would love to see you cover Itzak bentovs work!
Welcome my friend and thank you. I’ll check them out!
Wow, awesome!
Great stuff
✨🫶✨
Ty great discussion.
-stoyan
Greek is FULL of surprises... I'm grateful that it is my mother tongue. It is full of very deep "quantum meanings"
The expansion we’re seeing fits right in with the narrative.
It was a good podcast .
The saga continues ☁️✨✌🏼♥️🙏🏼
One correct analogy of our world is that of us being the virtual COMPUTING exponent of an underlying 'physical' realm. We are here to accomplish something or some things. Love is first I believe!
So interesting 💕🙏🧘♀️
Within the complexities of it all, we are all trying to make sense of what it means to us. Although it can change, the only consistency is that of searching.
Remember, it is right in front of you and will always follow behind.
New sub, here to learn
It's actually a very interesting but I found this video today, I was having a constructive conversation last night about semantics and how a lot of our interdisciplinary fields have very similar ideas but they boil down to different definitions It's like adding apples to oranges.
I think one of the key issues people negate when talking about the framework of controlling physical reality with your body, Is amplitude, for a direct example In the events where members of faith all participate trying to heal send their energy to heal somebody and then the person ends up being relieved of their illness or sickness. Rather than writing a whole book I'll leave you too inquire if you like.
Very excellent video though I loved it
Thanks
Big love for the super my friend!
Consciousness is universal and timeless
You all need to look up the many podcasts that Dr. Don Hoffman has given. This was interesting, but the work he’s doing in cognitive science, math, and physics regarding conscious being fundamental (and not spacetime) is truly amazing
Seeing Through the Simulation and Cosmic Consciousness | Dr. Donald Hoffman
czcams.com/video/SUrt41bK6vo/video.html
Ahh! Ok I’ve watched a lot of his talks on podcasts. Not sure how I missed yours, but I will check it out. Thanks!
S.O.U.L Singular Outflow Universal Light!!!❤
I'd much prefer if you split screened you both, feels like you're talking to us instead of him. Enjoyed the talk, subbed 👌🏽.
He’s so high definition! What a camera
In trying to understand essence, existence, soul, the mystery of life, ect. You’re always on the wrong path when you’re trying to describe this mystery by symbols or things, or even forms , you’re better off just saying, “it just is!
Modern research on Near Death Experience by Raymond moody, reincarnation memories by Ian Stevenson/Jim trucker and past lives regression by Brian Weiss all independently but coincidentally show that our consciousness survive death, we live many lives and our thoughts and actions matter in the hereafter.
So be kind and helpful to others, be virtuous, meditate and cultivate ourselves to higher spiritual levels. Cheers.
Your close to having all 144,000 chosen all view this - nice
The Mother Substance sure sounds similar to the alchemical idea of primeval dark waters, prima materia, and the archetype of Potential
For sure, there’s a straight line from Plato to hermeticism to alchemy.
You keep saying “square the circle” what do you mean by that exactly?
Love to see some fellow platonists hashing out some ideas.
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Which concept helps me deindividuate that will be the dual of individuate. ? There should be backpropagation in this universe i live in, like is it my consciousness that back propogates it pollinates dual of polination will be
That’s correct. The knowledge is acquired through the expansion of consciousness during a NDE. I had that experience and it’s as if you are “shown” or “downloaded” with universal/cosmic/existential knowledge that our current quantum physics is only skimming the top of. I didn’t know anything about physics prior to my NDE. I read a little about Quantum Physics afterwards and that seems to come close to explaining the nature or structure of the universe but it too is incomplete. When your consciousness expands to that infinite degree you see the errors in how we as humans perceive life and the universe and existence. We are like child’s play here. You see how our systems are all structured on incomplete and/or incorrect “scientific proofs.” You see how our medical system is actually doing more harm than good because they have eliminated the spiritual component from healing when we are innately designed to self-heal. You see people as living with blinders on and focusing on the wrong things to make them happy. You see how ignorant, with all due respect, we truly are as humans. We have so many more abilities than we are aware of and can utilize to create a better life. We are acting against our own good most of the time. I feel the biggest mistake we make is to believe that if we can’t prove it scientifically than it can’t be real. This is coming from such boxed in thinking. It’s limiting our progress as humans. I don’t know why I had to have that experience and gain all that knowledge. It feels frustrating to be here at times knowing all of this.
Pauli and jung. I read two great books which Pauli find the shadow the women and introduced four. Before it was three. Father , son and Holy Ghost. Then Pauli with young introduced the women the shadow the feelings to make four. Feelings was seen as a weakness. I loved that three months of study. Always learning great work.
Love
From Conscience we are Drawn + Pulled by Our Sub-Conscience + Super-Conscience !
Do you think there is a connection with Carl Yung's Mandalas and the Mandelbrot Set Theory? 🤔
I have come to call it... "Sacred Physics"
It's when the Individual, through moral intent and action, gains a deeper understanding of what the CAUSE is behind the EFFECT. This is when the Individual begins to form a Sacred relationship with the Environment - this is when access is gain to Moral Technology. Numbers and equations are merely markers of these spheres interacting.
I COULD PULL IT ALL AT ONCE BUT IM JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHAT IM DOING!
Science and Spirit are beginning a beautiful marriage 😊
Tendrán esta información en español? Quiero compartirla con mis alumnos, pero no todos entienden el inglés. /Will you have this information in Spanish? I want to share it with my students, but not all of them understand English.
Thanks for checking out the episode. Sadly I’m not aware of a way to auto-translate into another language.
@@THIRDEYEDROPS :( de todos modos, gracias!/ Anyway, thanks.
I SPUN THE WORLD AROUND AND SEEN THE BELL DE GLOCK TWICE!
I mapped consciousness once. I was *very* high.
How did the ancients know this? They understood that consciousness is the source of creation, and that matter is not the source of mind.
Out of that comes their wisdom.
If anyone wants to take a stab at this which is my first time putting this out there in the universe. This is the only time in my life anything like this has happened to me. Taking a shower then in a crystal clear voice loud but not yelling “ the universe is made of four things four things only “ I got a imagine of two geometric shapes, yes two not four frustratingly why only two is completely lost on me as to why. Love to hear any thoughts
You can make all the shapes using only 2.
A straight line & a curved line.
Sacred geometry patterns use a circle & connect points with a line & you keep adding & you get more patterns.
Frequency and energy can create vibration and that forms into shapes, light & everything else.
If you haven't seen resonance videos you can look up sand,water, bubbles and fire resonance & that shows shapes being made
@@paullayfield thanks I figured it would come back to vibration and such . I guess what bothers me is the “only 4 “ part . I have never had any physiological issues at all and nothing since that incident. Anyway thank you for the input
The mandala Before it was father, son and Holy Ghost. Pauli and jung added the Feeling to created four area. Feelings are the shadow the women which was elimated. So, its all complete know the mandala has four sections.
Okay, awesome conversation, thank you for this. Loved it . Loooovveedd it! NOTES - you may want to let your guest talk a bit more. You're both fascinating folks but the point of a guest is to focus on their point of view more than yours, right? I mean, I get that it's a back and forth, a conversation, not a formal interview, but still, right? Also, square the circle? You used that phrase a bunch in the beginning and it's problematic in many ways, mathematically, semantically, logically, etc. Squares are beautiful just as they are and circles are beautiful just as they are, let them be, let's not try to make them the same thing in our language or our minds. How about the phrase 'achieved something miraculous' or 'performed a Herculaen feat' or 'attained the unimaginable' or 'completed a titanic undertaking' or I don't know, I'm sort of a language bitch. Just my two cents. Anyway, much gratitude for this. I adored it. YOU ALL ARE BRILLIANT!!!! THANKS!! 🙂
Do you know what “squaring the circle” actually means?
You could try the process outlined by the CIA in the report 'The Gateway Process', which details how to move out of our particular place.
14:40 Bro not cool.. I just pulled the first white hair outta my nose like 30 seconds before 😅😅😅 It was a long one too!!
Nice
1:23:14 😮 woah
One love Namaste 🙏
NDEs do in fact increase ESP abilities. The most likely explanation for this is that NDE probably stimulate the temporal lobes.
David Bowie Black Star song . I thought for a while what a black star would look like and to me it would look like a black hole 😊
What is the archetype that is genociding humanity at the moment?
I knew this guy in college, a writer; sort of a cross between Borges, Blade Runner, The Big Lebowski, and Boethius, who got about 100K in debt, sleeping on people's couches, until he got into Naropa and graduated from that Kerouac school.
Anyway, I recall he once said in an ominous tone: "You know that there are REAL Platonists in academia, right?" Until I ran into you guys, I don't think I quite grasped what he was getting at.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not Michael Shermer (probably more like Kierkegaard in Either Or), but Jung has become kind of synonymous for me with Sapphic, septum-pierced preschool teachers preaching sygygy to toddlers, trained by administrations consisting of ex-Disney girl band members (Delphi Dolly and the Sirens?) who chant The Vagina Monologues to a splendid purple porcupine quartz crystal whilst playing scrabble in Hebrew, to plot the college cirriculum astrologically.
Thus while you and I and Umberto Eco know that Baphomet rendered by Levi is a symbol the Templars used to conceal from the Pope the fact that they were studying Pythagoras and smoking hashish with the Muslims instead of crusading, Lesbos basically sees "they/them" B. as Lady Gaga topless in GOAT-furry-horny-bearded cosplay, thumping for The Equality Act.
Thus while you have roused me from my general nod at the latest recitation of Vol. CCXVI of Fred Flintstone's Arcanum Quadrivelum of the Order of the Grays at Roswell Chapel to the realization that an insufficient understanding of Plato might mean I didn't REALLY understand Jung, the evidence that the COMMON misunderstanding of Jung is causing cognitive dissonance among kids in our society tantamount to the failure rate of early laptop screens, more than suggests Jung needs an NC-17 rating in school, along with Nietzsche and Schopenhauer--as Elon suggested...
No disrespect Eye, but when I read Morning of the Magicians and the Illuminatus trillogy, you may have been in Huggies. So I was like, forms, archetypes, shadow, yadda, yadda, quantum entanglement, yadda, yadda, reincarnation, IT security professional... waitaminit! REWIND!
I think as Plato would probably agree that ACTUAL algorithm building differs greatly from doxa, this video doesn't go into the "metaphysical" playlist with Shirley MacLaine, Tony Robbins, and Barney the Dinosaur.
While I have often thought about how to get to Dante's oasis with Virgil, I clearly didn't put enough thought into what I would ask its inhabitants upon arriving!
I think I'll just exit stage right now (egg on face), and see if Dr. Desmond talked to Lex Fridman, and perhaps go read Phaedo etc., in the Great Books Series, and re-watch this video again later...
Upright thumb, whether I end up agreeing or not.
Whats a 100k debt got to do with it
all ideas are interconnected perspectives are both true and false awareness might have come from language i have ideas on how would you care to hear my perspective?
The Issue with us, is that we think the early peoples are Stupid. They are not. They just haven't found out about Algebra yet.