Exploring Dorian on Guitar Meaningfully
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Modes are a complete mystery to some, and seen as a waste of time to others.
But by understanding modal harmony, you'll tap into some beautiful harmonies that exist in countless songs and you'll find it much easier to improvise/write meaningful solos.
Dorian is the 2nd mode of the major scale, but like any other scale, it has its own unique "flavour" and an associated chord type (minor chords).
Not many musicians realize that Dorian is one of the most versatile minor scales (along with minor pentatonic). It's easy to make it sound good - you'll have a lot of fun playing it.
But what exactly makes it unique?
This lesson shows you some ways in which you can use Dorian in your music and examples of common Dorian based progressions so you'll know instantly when Dorian can be used.
By getting to know Dorian harmony, you'll recognise whenever it occurs in songs you hear and learn (and that's a lot of songs!), or when jamming with friends.
These movements are more common than you think - be ready for them!
Get backing tracks and tabs on the lesson page...
www.fretjam.com/dorian-mode-g... - Hudba
"It's the backing music that allows us to bring out a mode's unique flavour in other words without any musical reference there is no tonal centre" I had to get through 537 videos of blokes in beanies and/or glasses trying to show off to actually get to this very simple explanation. THANK YOU for this sentence!!
Should have learnt bass first XD
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To me, this is the most understandable lesson series by far. There's something about the theory mixed with practical tips (like the I ii V in this one) that help me immensely.
This video is brilliant. Excellent use of examples man. You made it really easy to soak all this up.
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Of all the lesson pages you by far are the best thank you, I’ve learned more this past month when I found your page than I have in a year.
The best tutorial series for me. Lots of jam tracks and I love the way you are encouraged
to explore on your own
invaluable.Period. I am crying I have this knowledge as a guitarist of 60 years old playing only 5 years.
Fantastic. This is the clearest and most thought through presentation and explanation of the Dorian on CZcams.
Some additional examples of Dorian mode are "Black Magic Woman" by Carlos Santana (Santana loved using Dorian mode) and "So What" by Miles Davis from the album Kind of Blue. Kind of Blue is a masters thesis on the use of the modes.
This is hands down the best explanation of modes I have seen!
Great explanation! Really like your style of teaching. Well done!
What an awesome tutorial! I always thought of Dorian as a ii - V7. That use of Dorian from C to Fm really opened my eyes & ears to new possibilities.
I've known how modes have worked for a long time now, but have never really known how to implement them meaningfully into my music. Now I can because of this video! Thank you for this
Thank you for such an excellent lesson/video!! And your lesson page is invaluable as well. Awesome job!
finally, something that makes musical sense of these modes. thank you!!
dude--thank you for your channel...this is EXACTLY how my brain works. You are my perfect teacher.!
SO HELPFUL! Easy to understand, thx for uploading!
Finally the 7 modes explained simply: One scale, 7 different starting notes. Thank you for that.
These days people learn CAGED for different positions to play major or natural minor scale. In my day I learned the modes - different positions to play major or natural minor scales.
@@BellsCuriosityShop which is better
@@matthewcantu3127 CAGED possibly as the scale shapes are built around the chord shapes, but if you can't picture where each chord is on the neck for each song you're playing it's probably useless. I found the mode shapes handy, but most of my music all sounds the same as I use the same three shapes all the time (Ionian, Dorian and Phrygian)
I somewhat learned the modes by watching tons of rather obscure videos, and still wasn't sure if I understand them correctly. I only regret I haven't seen this video a year ago. Thank you very much.
All your videos are fab. So easy to understand and follow 👍👍
Wow this was a really helpful video on the Dorian mode or modes period, thank you very much for taking time to make this video
Thank you so much for your time Christian. This is an old video and I admit I could do it a lot better now. So I'm glad it could still offer value!
Great stuff, thanks. You make stuff I know ever clearer.
The channel which gives you the most understandable explanations on guitar theory - thanks!
Dude, this is the video I needed since a couple of years...
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Great teacher! Thank you for explaining it so clear
this is the only good explanation i have found on the subject, cheers!
very good lesson. covers everything you could struggle with.
Thank you so much, amazing tutorial
Wonderful. So glad I found this. Thank you!
Great job!
I wish I've listened to your explanation before!
Very simple and exhaustive!
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Absolutely Brilliant Love it and thank you very much for this gift of knowledge. It has taken me 20 years to get over my fear of music theory because of folks like you..Blessings
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Awesome explanation! Thanks for the video!
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This was very helpful- thanks!!
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Im a very experienced guitar player and this is what I've been looking for man. You actually show how to use the knowledge. I've had most of it understood but how to use it is totally different.
I am humbled! This is a very old lesson. I could do it a lot better now but your comment reassured me that it could still help people. Thank you.
insightful and extremely useful lesson .. I still lack confidence but understand a lot more , Thank you
Very good and very clear Lesson! Trank you!
Thorough vid, thank you.
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Another great video. Like your music references as well.
Great lesson. Thanks.
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That Cmaj and Fm lick thing you had going was fucking beautiful.
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This is great. I’ve been enjoying your videos a lot and learning from them. Thank you. Although I’d say if you’re writing music, nothing is off the table as far as inspiration goes. If you’re inspired by a particular modal sound, thinking in those terms for writing a piece of music can give you new ideas. Just thinking out loud here and justifying my own desire to write that way. Kind of like saying you want to paint in mostly red for a particular piece of art work. Sometimes limitation can enhance a work.
Always when exploring a minor progression when you see a i-IV immediately explore Dorian. Some of the best advice I have ever been told is how modes are usually just one to two chords that revolve around and set a mood or a feel. Once you out that into perspective it makes a lot more sense. I tackled aeolian and Ionian first obviously then went on to Dorian and then Phrygian. Know the major scales cold and how the intervals relate across the fretboard will certainly speed this process up
Wise words. These signifiers, such as the i-IV you mentioned are the prompt we need to think "Dorian" or "Mixolydian" (for example) and then move into the right pattern/position, even if it's just a temporary movement. You're right, it's usually just two chords that give us that indicator.
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Brilliant! Thankyou.
this is the best ive had it explained to me
A borrowed chord is one from the parallel major or minor key. In C major, the parallel key is C minor and borrowed chords include E♭ major, B♭ major, and F minor.
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Another excellent well explained lesson. Thank you! This guy has cleared up so many mysteries of guitar playing I've been able to advance in just weeks and NOT years.
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So good
Please do one of these videos for Mixolydian!
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Excellent lesson, and examples! I was thinking "mhhh this sounds very Pink Floydish ", and then you mentioned their songs !
spectacular!
This oftentimes played in "Dangdut" music in Indonesia. Same tonality. Great video!
Superb very clear love it.DD
Great video! Why does Dorian particularly sound better over unusual chord changes?
Wow !! First video on CZcams about this subject that really makes sense ! thanks a lot !! Im subscribing !!!
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Went over my head but great tutorial as usual
At 5:00, I would like to point out that you could switch scale from C Major to C Minor (which has the same notes as F Dorian).
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Help please. Thank you so much for the info. I’m confused about the Abm > Bm using Abm Dorian and Bm Dorian. How does this work if it’s using notes outside of the scale? Any help is very very welcome.
Edit: is it a key change? It sounds good I just don’t understand the detail of how it fits the scale.
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sir, most of the examples in your videos, your using chord progressions
sir, can i use any chord progressions i want ?? what are the other instances to consider when making chord progressions ??
Leann Rose De Juan these are examples which mostly point out the distintive Sound (and style of music, where its used mostly) of the scale/mode.
Mike is the theory Boss!
Yes sir!
It seems to me that the chord tones that stand out the most in all the modes are the 4th and 7th scales degree in the parent scales. So in the C major scales its either the B or the F that give the colour to its modes
No dude....those are the odd ball notes taken out the make major pentatonic...Yes they're leading tone notes.
In other words...raise the 4th 1/2 step to the 5th. The circle of fifth makes sense now?lol
Mixolyian has a -7 th oki doki. Yes, the major 3rd and -7 are the B and F...
The chord tone that stands out the most are the ones you let ring or the last note you picked....
That's why you can play minor or mixolyian over a dominate chord or sus chord.
Basically your ears are hearing the -7 ring more....So you can go back and forth between maj or min 3rd...kind of like playing the various options blues notes. Trying adding the 3rd , -5th, and 7th options notes to the pentatonic scale.
Well lets take a look at the main colour tones of the C major Modes.
D Dorian: The major 6th which is a B
E Phyrgian: The flat 2nd which is an F
F Lydian: The raised 4th which is a B
G mixolydian: The flat 7th which is a F
A Aeolian; The minor 6th which is an F
So yes the main colour tones are either B or F which are the 4th and the 7th in the parent scale
David Phillips That's a really interesting way of looking at it! Thanks
David Phillips yes, I know the 4th and 7th..are the 2 notes that shifts to change KEYS in the circle of fifth.....
if you split the diatonic scale in half...
Place the Dominant on top of the tonic.
They have exactly the same intervals....
1,2,3,4
5,6,7,8
So if you go -3....guess what?
Dorian....
1,2 -3, 4
5,6,-7, 8
lets do the -2
Phyrgian
1,-2,-3, 4
5,-6,-7, 8
Lets go diminished.lol
1, 2,- 3, 4
-5 -6, --7, -7
it'll makesense why some people use inversion or sus chords because they going to use
the 4th as a sort of drone note..starting the interval from the 4th.
Im thinking that's why it's term SUB-dominant...So you can use it as a sub ?
Aeolydian...
1, 2, -3, 4, 5
4, 5, -6, -7, 8
David Phillips So the way I see it, when you take out the 4th and 7th, you get a Major Pentatonic Scale.
@4:30 are you borrowing that minor 4 chord from the C minor key?
Yes, he is, it’s a modal interchange. It’s a borrowed chord from c majors parallel minor c minor. He played the iv chord
thank you for this video i really liked how you actually give examples of common dorian progressions. I have one question though. Im a bit confused. in your mixolydian video. When talking about G Mixolydian and the common mixolydian progressions, you refer to the G7 chord as the I chord when you write out your chord examples. As if we should think about the chord progressions as being in the key of G mixolydian.
In this vid however you show the dorian progressions as being the ii of the key of C major as opposed to the I chord of D Dorian?
Im am just wondering what is the correct way of understanding this. I hope this question makes sense. thank you.
Very good question. Some people find it easier to see the modal tonic as relative to the parent scale (e.g. 2 as the Dorian tonic, because it's the 2nd mode). Others prefer to see it as its own 1 chord (e.g. 1 as the Dorian tonic). It's up to you which one you use. Looking back, I wish I had at least been consistent, but the main thing is you find a way of conceptualising modal positions that YOU can understand.
Personally I think most people would find it easier to reference modes against their parent scale. So a D Dorian 1 3 4 movement would effectively be C major 2 4 5 (with a resolution on that 2 instead of the 1 of Cmaj). That way, you can see how all the modes relate to the same system. Hope that makes sense!
Thanks for the reply! That helped clear some things up for me.
So now its all about recognizing what these modes sound like. I think I'm going to check out your website.
I have a couple questions similar to salsa's. 1) When playing over a I iv vamp, similar to the ideas presented at 4:35, or 2) a non-diatonic minor chord change, such as at 3:55, what is the idea behind Dorian being a better fit than Aeolian for the iv/non diatonic minor chord progressions, respectively?
+Walker Thompson Great question. I would encourage you to try using Aeolian and hear for yourself. You can use the backing tracks on the lesson page if you like.
To my ears, the b6 of Aeolian is a bit too dissonant when outside of its natural, diatonic position. Raise that b6 to a 6 (Dorian) however and it seems to open it up. It's all ultimately subjective, but I've tried Aeolian in many situations and that b6 always sounds best to my ears as a passing tone, whereas the 6 of Dorian can be held and holds a lot more harmonic tension.
I don't want to tell you what to play. You need to let your own ears be the judge. The best way to answer questions about whether something is better/worse is to play it for yourself. Let me know what the verdict is! Cheers.
Had a quick skim through your vid. Seems pretty good. I've got my own method for learning modes, so I don't like to confuse myself. I'll probably have a look back later though as I've bookmarked it.
As for the Dorian mode. It's pretty important. It's the second position down from the Major scale (mode) so it will tend to be the first one you learn when you study modes. Yes, it's a minor Mode, but if you want to push the boat out, it can be quite ambiguous and doesn't sound half bad over a Major chord. Try it. It's edgy, but, one of those modes that can kind of lend itself to Major/minor voicing. Advanced stuff, but give it a go!
Sometimes people call it a Jazz scale, and to an extent it is. But more than that, it makes a really great Funk scale. Keep in mind, it holds all the basic notes of a minor pentatonic shape around it, so you can do a bit of blues as well with it. More! It's one of the other scales used in Irish music (along with Major and minor), the other being Mixolydian. Again, try cutting it down to just Six Notes so it becomes a Hexatonic scale. Works magic. The Diatonic scale and its modes are Heptatonic (7 notes).
Next time you find yourself in a boring old minor pentatonic (5 note) blues scale shape, play chords around the shapes of the Dorian scale in that key itself (making it Heptatonic). You may be surprised what you find there. Funk and Jazz and Blues are all related so no real surprises, ditto Irish music.
There's Greek and there's Classical in there as well with the Dorian, Oh, and drunken Sea Shanties. You will want to learn this shape though, and it's quite a simple one compared to other modes, as it is actually quite Symmetrical across the finger board. A very versatile mode!
if I play the D Dorian scale over an Am chord does this mean I am in the Dorian mode? also, does this D dorian mode work over any minor chord in the Cmaj key?
+brett stokes Playing D Dorian over Am will just sound like A natural minor/Aeolian, because the Am chord will put the sequence of notes into that context (D Dorian uses the same notes as A Aeolian). To get the D Dorian sound, it would need to be played over Dm. It's the backing chord/sequence, or even just a bass note that matches the mode's root that puts it into a modal context.
Good video dood