FIX or RISK Driving! Jaguar XF has MAJOR $10K Repair Bill!
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- This 2013 Jaguar XF has a $10K repair that MUST be done! Fix it or Don't Drive it! It's that serious! ➡️ Don't forget to check out @MrsWizardsWays
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That engine is not rocking, it's trying to escape!
Very Funny!!
😂😂😂
Or the chassis is trying to kick it out for breach of contract.
My dad always used to say that if you can’t afford a new European car you sure can’t afford a used one
Your dad's a genius ! I'll have to remember that one ! (40+ years auto technician)
Your dad spoke truth. I sold used cars for a decade, and most of the Mercs and BMWs we sold were all because they looked good. 3 months later we'd get a call about the $600 alternator, $2,100 for a tuneup (those coils.... jeebus), the cost of alignments, brakes, etc.
You wanted to ride lookin' good in tha hood at 28% APR. If you can't afford routine maintenence, you sure as hell can't afford if something breaks.
Selling (mostly) shitboxes for a decade, I can help anyone get a great deal on a used car through checklist and mechanical inspection, but some people cannot be deterred from buying what they cannot afford.
My neighbors daughter had a 1980’s BMW 318 that was always needing work and bringing her father into the office at the time of payment he would be upset it she always wanted her little red BMW so he footed the bill. He drove a ford ranger, my father kept telling him that she needed to get a civic.
Definitely not true, but it’s something to consider when buying a high end used car
With all due respect to your dad but this is wrong. Most Mercs, Audis, and BMW’s from 2010 era and below are easy to work on , and due to the infrastructure of part-sharing platforms amongst different models/makes from each manufacturer parts are readily available and cheap.
Don't buy a car you can't afford to keep up. Everyone wants to drive something like a jag but you better not be on a civic budget.
I say the same thing that includes college
Just make sure you say that when that civic owner can’t afford the upkeep on the civic. 🤨
lol most people know Jags are hot garbage that's why you barely see them on the road
Sure, it's not going to have costs like an economy car because it's not one (though the BMW MINI should have Civic costs, as it's just another economy car), but the XF shouldn't cost anymore to maintain than the direct equivalent Acura RL/RLX or Lexus GS350/GS500? *If* the engineering, design and quality control of the XF is at the same level of the GS, in which we have no reason to doubt the excellence of Jaguar Land Rover (probably 🤔).
Either lease or rent those types of vehicles and get it out of your system.
Difficult to get to = Not changed.
thats some truth
You can pack a lot of meaning into that word.. The Japanese government still refers to the radioactive wasteland caused by the Fukushima disaster as the "Difficult to return to" zone. 🙄
@@carlgarrett5142 That's funny. It probably means something like "no go area". Japanese people tend to avoid using such definite language. For example: instead of "my cat died", they would say "my cat might be dead".
I've owned 9 different Jaguar models in the last 58 years (starting with an XK-140MC) and worked on 100s more as a professional. I've also owned Fords, Chevrolets, Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs, etc. I have found Jaguars to be extremely reliable when maintained PROPERLY. In this country, that seldom happens. Keep bad-mouthing them, it allows me to keep buying them at amazingly low prices and ending up with fantastic real drivers' cars.
I'm sorry, what regular maintenance will prevent engine mounts & supercharger bearings from failing before 100k?
@@kaptinkeiff This car was "serviced" prior to coming to the Car Wizard at some shop that was obviously not qualified to work on it , since they couldn't even get the dead miss on #6 cyl. out of it, but charged the customer for a "tune-up" anyway. One regular service item is the supercharger. It's bearings are lubricated with oil, and there is a fill hole in the front of it. Un-informed "mechanics" never check this. As far as engine mounts go, those are oil-filled also. They are not meant for hot-rodding, but to give an ultra-smooth ride with virtually no engine vibration. I have two supercharged Jaguars myself, and frankly the power of the engine, if used excessively, will ultimately overwhelm fluid-filled mounts. That is true for any make of car. Also, I just watched a video of someone replacing mounts on this same model car, and either the factory or previous repair person had left the compression straps on the old mounts, causing the failure of the straps breaking through the bellows. As far as the Wizard's car goes, that is a distinct possibility as well. We don't know, because we didn't see under the car in the video. Fluid-filled mounts are only used to give a premium ride, not to hold up forever, especially after 11 years. Mileage is not as important as age when it comes to rubber parts.
As a mechanic, myself, I haven't necessarily found Jags to be unreliable, but they certainly aren't reasonable to repair, most times. I've worked on the supercharged v6s and just got done with an engine-out reseal on an '04 Thunderbird. Not fun.
And personally, I find the trend away from physical oil dipsticks and towards sensors and complicated procedures to be nothing but atrocious. Depressing, actually.
Everybody wants a 'Driver's Car,' but a 'Driver's Car' isn't any better than my 99 Honda Civic or 03 Durango when it's on the lift with the engine out (for an oil pan gasket, essentially).
Sell the car to you
@@MyMomsADadNow I completely understand. I closed my shop years ago when it stopped being enjoyable and worthwhile. I had no desire to be a computer tech, and that was obviously the direction auto repair was going. Is there anything on a newer car that is NOT controlled by a module(s) ? On the newer stuff, it's all about drivetrain REPLACEMENT instead of REPAIR.
I have one with that motor. Spark plug blew out, replaced the threads with a time sert insert. Supercharger is most likely the coupler that the spring wears out, 40 dollar fix. Dealer quoted 7000 for valve covers, ended up doing myself. Not easy at all, but so far so good. The labor is a monster on these motors, so many plastic pieces to break, not a good daily driver unless you like wrenching every other month.
so much plastic its insane and it all goes one after the other as well
Apart from the plastic, hasn't that been the reputation of Jaguars from the start....? Have they ever been reliable enough to be driven daily...?
@@kurtisstutzman7056 Yes, that's been the reputation all along. They've always been a Sunday drive kinda car. Why do people buy them and expect any different? I don't know. I bought mine because it is comfortable and quick.
Ive heard and read however X150 XKs are very good on the other hand and see listings all the time with 150k-200k+ miles, its the one id consider if i really had a need for a jag
"Champagne taste, beer budget" types best stay far from these, the entire range, actually. I've had 20+ beginning with a 1953 XK120 DHC.
My current XK8 vert. delivered to the well heeled third-owner failing right-bank timing tensioner failure, mentioned by the Wheezird, this one non-catastrophic: 6 valves replaced, head repaired, all chains, all sprockets etc.
A routine Jaguar outcome: good designs let down by poor materials, compounded by mass production.
That indy-bill alone was catastrophic [2014 at 51,800 mi] ...$9,382.
When you consider a Jaguar, beware. It rewards the competent DIY-owner. Others, get near crucified...
Champagne taste on a beer budget.
Option 3, dump it 😢
Option 4 fix that shit yourself you should own tools as a man anyways
Yup BER
Very interesting. Just for comparison, a 2013 jag with 98k miles needs $10k to keep it on the road and the owner will have to take out a loan in order to have the work done. This is sounding like the beginning of a never-ending cycle of maintaining and repairing a car they can't afford to own. Digging themselves further into debt Just to drive it.
My 07 Avalon with 93k miles needs... Nothing.
Paid off many years ago. Just do routine maintenance. The car is happy and so am I.
I do have empathy for the Jag owner, it's a beautiful car, I love that maroon color. But when you're in a hole 🕳 you gotta stop digging.
2019 Avalon Limited Hybrid, 92k miles, needs nothing. Runs flawlessly. Paid cash. Bought it brand new. 44mpg. Never tempted to own one of these piles of junk.
You can’t compare a supercharged xf to an avalon.
@@CurvyVicExactly. Clearly a Toyota is insanely reliable. It’s also insanely boring.
If you buy a used supercharged Jaguar- you do a boatload of homework and go over the car with a fine tooth comb.
@CurvyVic Very true, no comparison. My Avalon is 17 years old. It's been an absolute gem 💎 from the moment I bought it.
The Jag, on the other hand, is proving to be a turd 💩 for its owner, who is looking at having to take out a loan to pay for a $10k repair, just to keep it on the road, at least for the moment, until the next breakdown.
So, yeah, there's no comparison.
@@lindanelson8400 except driving the Jag for 17 minutes is more fun than driving the Avalon for 17 years.
I remember when these came out and Car Reviewers were having issues with the transmission knob not working, that was the huge red flag everyone ignored.
What the heck is a "transmission knob"...?
@@kurtisstutzman7056the thing you change gears with, like a transmission lever but circular and like a dial
That round thing every car has now in common since 2013 to put it in drive
@@alexburnette2526 Oh...?! All my vehicles are from the 70s with actual gear shifter with mechanical linkage... I just never heard of a shifter knob...
@@BSFJeebus All my vehicles are from the 70s and have actual shifters with mechanical linkages...!
Car wizard!! I’m not sure if someone has said this in the comments or not but are you sure it’s the bearings?? Because that noise is super common when it comes to the coupler failing. It’s an easily serviced part. Remove snout, take out coupling, replace. Not rebuild. The couplers were spring loaded from like 2009-2015 and they fail making that marble noise. They also cause slop in the pulley
They also sell just the snout. I just saw the other comment stating the same thing as me. Out of curiosity (so I know asi. Have two cars with the JLR 3.0 supercharged engine) lol. How do you differentiate the failed bearings from the failed coupler?
Wizard said in the video he replaces worn out and broken parts, doesn`t repair stuff.Just like when a customer has a blown engine he replaces it with another engine.It`s rare that mechanics will rebuild stuff like steering racks, they send that king of stuff out because they don`t specialize in doing it.They are liable if a used part takes a crap plus disassembly takes time so is learning on the job.
Mr Wizard this is a VERY common issue. There’s a coupling in the supercharger that goes bad. You can pull the snout off and it’s 4 bolts, the aftermarket couplers permanently fix the issue and they’re aground $12. 2 hours flat rate should kill it dead.
I’m a dealer and come across this all the time on JLR stuff with the 3.0/5.0 SC engines.
Motor mounts are a big job and not uncommon. We do them a lot.
Do you take the snout off with the supercharger in the car? I always have to take them out I can't pry the snout off if it's on the motor. Would be happy to hear a new trick on these
The way to go for this poor fella is NOT to get a loan for these repairs. The right move is to sell this pile outright to carvana (because they base their offers on physical appearance and basic yes/no questions about whether it runs and drives or not) and get into something that isn't as broken.
To get somebody else stuck with the turd? You are a true friend of humanity.
I work at carvana I wouldn’t buy that pos
Rule of thumb is to buy two Jaguars. Drive one while other one is in the shop. By the time the you get it back, it’s time to swap them.
Or buy 1 and do the services.
i knew a jag owner bought a camry and he was worth 100 million
@@peter-pg5yc That's pretty retarded. I would have bought some MB.
@@martinsvensson6884How do you service a car without another? I have two cars for this reason.
That pouncing Jaguar emblem is pretty appropriate - it's what getting mauled by the repair bill looks like.
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Rules to live by: avoid turbo/super chargers; active suspension; larger tire & rim options; and unusual interior options. Avoiding these will save you a lot of money and grief later. These, no matter who makes the car.
I'm pretty sure that supercharger don't need to be replaced. Check the coupler inside the supercharger. Alot of the time it breaks by cracking because it's hard plastic, and the spring falls out of it causing that loud rattling noise. So many people misdiagnose that issue. Check that first car wizard! 9 out of 10 times, that's the issue.
No. It has internal bearing failure as well.
@@CarWizard oh ok. 👍🏾
@@CarWizard
Does this supercharger require regular lube fluid replacements i.e. maintenance? (like Toyota SC500 s/c do?)
Because why WOULDN'T you manufacture it with plastic for many years of reliable service.
No Jaguar and Landrover for me
It may not be the supercharger but rather just the supercharger nose cone which is a common failure on Jags and Range Rovers. My RR nose cone developed that noise (rocks in a tin can) when sitting at idle. As soon as you put a load on it the noise goes away. There is a spring in the nose cone that keep tension on the drive gears as they have backlash (any gear set needs backlash). The spring is hardened steel and it wears out the back plate it rides on resulting on the lose of that spring tension. Nose cones are ~$700 new from the dealer.
Not surprised at the cost to repair
Gotta say, reliability aside, if you have ever driven an XF…it is a sublime experience. If you can afford to keep it on the road, buy one. And the way the later model’s infotainment screen rotates backwards to provide a clean non-screen panel is Bentley-like. Even the stock sound system is impeccable.
I had a 2015 XF with the Supercharged V6. Loved it.
The rotating screen is a feature that needs to trickle down out of the luxury car space. So many decent interiors are ruined by a poorly integrated screen. It'll never happen in most cars but at least make it an option for the top trims
if you can not keep it on the road whats the point of owning it
I had a 2009 Supercharged V8 XF in the Middle East. The driving experience on the roads where you could let it stretch it's legs was magnificent. I once blew a tyre at 190km/hr on the outer bypass road heading to Jebel Ali, scared the crap out of me but all the electronics kicked in and the Jag tracked dead straight while braking.
elhombre2711 i was driving an audi s4 down i-70 in Colorado and had a blowout at 60mph in snow, in heavy traffic. In the left lane. Luckily, maintained control and ws able to safely exit and coast off the highway. That is the only saving grace for how much money I 'invested' fixing that car every 45 days for two years 😂
Ima just keep rolling in my '98 lincoln with the 4.6 L. I could replace it 5x for the same cost of this guy's repair bill.
not that i need to tell ya, but anyone who has one of these keep it til the wheels fall off
In the top 5 for apocalypse cars. Sold quite a few of them just to repossess after owners did zero maintenence and we got them back stinking of weed, full of forbidden milkshake, batteries and stereos removed, interiors beat to kingdom come.... ugh.
The only vehicle I've been in that rode better was old Buick Roadmaster wagons. Buggers were like gliding on clouds.
I'll keep rolling in my 2009 Crown Vic police interceptor
320k mile 99 grand marquis checking in
I'm guessing the Town Car with the modular rather than the Lincoln LS with the smaller V8 which IS a Jaguar? 🙂
Damn that engine is about to fall out 😂
The Supercharger coupling is a known problem that causes that loud knock. The coupling from a 3rd party is only $40 or so, but to get to it is a lot of work.
Its also internal bearings
@@CarWizard Its a simple repair. Supercharge not shot. This is the same engine in the range Rover. That's the problem when you take a european car to a general mechanic and not a specialist in your brand.
@@CarWizardglad you did this video, I'm having same issue with a 2014 LR4, my supercharger is making same noise, I replaced the snout bearings, changed the oil, all I'm waiting for is the original part from the dealership, that alone costs $270 at a discounted price, I didn't want to go with those solid coupler that go for $20 on ebay
Same thing happened in my f-pace. Swapped the isolator out and its good as new.
Timing chains and guides are another issues though....
@@triggeraa I'm pretty sure he was clear when he said he doesn't do rebuilds 🤷🏾♂️
Jaguar and purchase. Those words should never be used together. It's personal.
shoot not shot
There is a coupler to replace on the supercharger, I wouldn't trust the guy who says it needs to be replaced.
This is what happens when you don’t take it to a specialised and experienced shop. Granted rare thing in us
Yeah
Why not remove super charger belt. I'm sure it'll run with out super charger.
@@fahembree All of the ECU signals will be messed up and the car will run in limp-home mode.
Recently I spent $6K on maintenance work on my 15 year old car. New strut assemblies,new front subframe,new lower control arm,new shocks,new headlight assemblies. New brake caliper and two brake rotors,front end alignment. It's only got 124k miles on it and since I've maintained it,the car's got 80-120K miles left to it. The front subframe bushings were worn out which I could have tried to find a shop to press out the old bushings with new ones from Dorman but the labor involved removing the subframe and doing that would've not be cost effective as compared to buying a new subframe with new bushings installed. Plus it gets 42 mpg
P.S. I had been putting off the maintenance items for three years
What vehicle do you own?
@@ozarkliving7263 '09 Nissan Versa
I had a 2014 XF with the 2.0 Ecoboost, was a great car, put 200K on the clock, only issue was the door locks but changed them myself with some ones from Amazon for $180.
2.0 is a great engine, that would be the best xf to get way more room to work than with this V6
Yeah but in that case might as well just get a top spec Ford Fusion.
@nakoma5 No.... completely different car, the Jag is rear wheel drive, has an 8 speed auto, super smooth suspension and options you won't get in a fusion. However the Jag does share its platform with the Lincoln LS, confusingly that is only available with a Jaguar engine.
@@nakoma5 good point the Titanium fusions did have a boat load of options including self parking which I don't think u could get in the jag , plus ford copied the roofline.
Rebuild supercharger about $800.00
My dad always had a saying about Cadillacs. If you can afford a Cadillac, you shouldn't bitch about the cost of maintaining it.
And this Jaguar is even twice as bad. At least some Caddy’s are semi common and/or have usual GM designs.
This thing on the other hand is just a revolving bill lol.
@@tonymancuso1340 So true. But my father's statement was made decades before many of these exotic expensive cars were so common in the U.S.
Cadillacs die in the hood.
I do not know what Jag is using for superchargers, but my guess it is an Eaton. If that is the case some of them are using a drive coupler that has a spring in it and when you twist on the pulley like that they will do what you saw in the video. When you take it apart and see the new style coupler with the spring in it, is looks really fragile, but somehow works. Very different from the old style solid plastic coupler.
The supercharger for the 4.2 had the coupler running in the oil that lubricated the gears and it lasts pretty well. On the later superchargers like for the 5.0 and 3.0, there is still oil, but the coupling runs dry. This leads to premature failure of the coupling. That supercharger may have a failed coupling and bearing damage, but it could probably be reconditioned. I ended up replacing my supercharger for noisy rear bearings at around 122 thousand miles, but I got a really good used one for about 1K. These are great cars for those that can do repairs, but if you have to pay someone else, maybe not a good idea.
Just to say that I'm now on my third Jaguar here in the UK since 2010, and never had enormously expensive problems like this car. All those cars were daily drivers. My current car is an XE, a smaller version of the XF. It's turbo-charged, being a diesel. From what I see on the video, this XF has been neglected in the past maintenance wise. Maybe not the current owner, but neglected all the same. No car should get to the point where the engine mounts are completely shot like this car. There is also, I believe an oil reservoir for the supercharger, and this is a maintenance item, it is not an item one can ignore.
Essentially, with any car, you ignore maintenance at your peril. On my XE, Jaguar service interval is 21k miles or 2-yearly, wich for me is completely barmy, so I maintain my car every year and get oil and filter changed. Just last week this was done, and I found out I needed new rear brake pads and discs as the pads wer 90% worn. These have been on the car since Jaguar built it, and have lasted 57k miles so not bad at all. Of course, US cars benefit from production volumes in the hundreds of thousands and parts are therefore cheap. Not so with up-market European cars.
Or buy a Honda/ Toyota… I don’t know if parts are cheap or not because they never break
Just got a 20 yr old S-Type that has a pretty good service record. However, the last owner used a "cheap" mechanic the really "knew" Jaguar cars, so it needed some love. I did some of the work myself, mainly suspension, and a general tune up. I couldn't believe it when I found a wood screw holding in the coil pack!!! Also, one of the shops tracking down an emissions issue found a bypass installed on the downstream sensor! Turned out to be a loose ground. I'm sure Grimes would have found that.
The problem I'm finding in the US is sourcing parts. OEM parts are super expensive on these cars as well. This is why I did the suspension myself. The OEM parts were over $4k!! I was able to source aftermarket ones for less than $500.
Yeah, I've spent a little more on this car to this point to get it back into daily drivable condition, but my Subaru and my wife's Toyota are starting to get to that age to need bigger maintenance items.
The brakes on my Subaru were far more expensive than the 20 year old Jag! Both are disc break systems... Go figure...
I had a 2011 xf. By far my favorite car. I didn't have too many reliability issues but I don't think I'll take a gamble with another one until I'm rich
That Jag looks like it has not been maintenanced properly. Those motor mounts don't wear out in 5 minutes That's been like that for a long time
Why would motor mounts wear out in the first place?
You don't see this happening on big trucks.
Just in case no-one has mentioned it: the Eaton supercharger requires regular oil services, which are often missed. The end result is the death of the SC, as here. Also, before anyone mentions UK cr4p - I'm pretty sure Eaton are a US company ;)
Their plant is in Athens, Georgia.
I had an 83 Peugeot 505 turbodiesel back in the 90s. They are French cars. It had an American made turbo on it. I can not remember the name of the manufacturer, but it is a common American brand. 😊
Oh yeah! My supercharged Riviera owner's manual only says to CHECK the oil level in the supercharger snout, but nothing about changing it. I'm still going strong at 150,000 me because when I bought the car at 69,000 I changed the rotted-cheddar-smelling oil twice, and have changed it twice since with a syringe to vacuum it out.
Who does this service??
@@lothar52 if you're asking about changing the oil in the supercharger, it's really easy to do yourself, depending on the vehicle. That Jaguar has the supercharger covered by the intercooler, but on other engines there's just a little Allen screw you remove from the fill hole, suck out the nasty old oil with a syringe & tube you can buy at any parts store, and then replace it with one and a half to two bottles of GM supercharger oil - about 6 oz.
@@lothar52 I'm not sure who would do it in the US - I suspect the car manufacturers treat it as optional, sadly, a bit like some do with transmission fluids. As above, though, it is worth it - czcams.com/video/VdMPi5HpKp4/video.html
Unless I'm buying a race car, I don't want a turbo or supercharger. Higher pressures = lower lifespan, and it adds one more expensive hardware item to fail.
"Marbles in a jar": from looking at Jag Forums, that symptom is almost always the supercharger coupler within the supercharger. It's just a little plastic piece with a spring and they break. It shouldn't need a new supercharger unless the coupler started bouncing around inside the supercharger.
I just pulled up the TSB from Jaguar about the coupling and it says that if the pulley does not rotate freely and/or the blades/rotors are damaged and/or the customer reported excessive "whine" noise, then it's just the coupler. If any of those above symptoms are present, only then will the supercharger assembly have to be replaced.
I don’t think the supercharger is bad at all. I think it’s just the snout coupler. I’ve owned 4 Eaton vehicles (GP GTP, Lightning, CTS-V, A6 3.0T), and it’s always the coupler. I’ve swapped it on all of them with urethane replacements.
Have you done the work yourself? I have a 2014 Jag XF with this engine and I suspect I might need a coupler too.
@@srsalhanyNot on an XF, but I’ve done it myself on the Grand Prix, Lightning and CTS-V, as well as on a pair of Kenne Bell Lysholm superchargers. Dealing with the smell is the hardest part of the job, once you get access. Supercharger oil, especially used, smells horrible.
That supercharger sound sounds amazing at 5:30
Those cars have a plastic collar inside the supercharger costs $15 and takes about 3 hours to replace….. come on wizard! New super charger??!!!
I’m out here in the backyard watching you on my phone and when you started the car up and that engine started flopping around I just couldn’t I but I laughed so hard
I had 5 Jaguars: 3 different XFs (V8 NA, V8 supercharged, V6 supercharged AWD), V6 supercharged AWD XJ and F-Pace S.
didn't have any problems with them.
Great cars.
There you go! Great cars. Did your Jags hold up well at 10-20 years of age?
Your jags were all built on Wednesday.
you sound like my Mercedes mechanic...
If you're going to have a ten year old car,you need the shop manual, some tools, and free Saturdays .
@@wilfredruffian5002not a Toyota or Lexus. I see a Jag driver, especially one that isn’t clearly new, I see someone with zero fiscal intelligence, likely not that smart overall, a shallow person trying to look important
Well that does suck, but it could be even worse. We still don’t know why the car is misfiring on cylinder 6. If there’s any internal engine damage, then chances are this customer is looking at a new engine and that will probably double the cost of this preliminary estimate. That being said, I would say that the best option for this customer would be to figure out why it is misfiring on cylinder six before they decide to go any further with this car.
It was hard to get too, so it probably wasn't changed at all.
Probably it's not put on right since it's hard to get to and the engine keeps rocking. Sparkplugs need to be screwed in right along with the coils falling into place.
Maybe Tyler Hoover buy this. It should be the Perfect Hopptie
@@darkiee69 I wouldn’t doubt that
@@albertol9654 I wouldn’t doubt that either
I owned this type Jag for 4 years, drove it to 100,000 miles after 4 years. All I did was change the oil every 3000 miles and drove it easy, not like a maniac. Not one problem.
They have many used superchargers on Ebay for $500-700. Motor mount aren't that big of deal.
Muscle/luxury cars in general are expensive to maintenance. I just spend $8900 on 10 year old BMW on parts and new tires alone as did most of the work my myself to bring back up to 100%. Original owner did do some maintenance but didn’t realize you also have to service other stuff as well he didn’t even know about on service intervals. People bad mouth a lot of these cars about reliability and junk. Had a 740 before the 750 I put 285k on the original engine and never broke down unexpectedly as repaired it and replaced parts and did regular maintenance and service intervals before it broke. Then came across a 750 with later TU engine with 42k and had to buy it.
Even my ECO cars maintain and they run better then most people new cars. Don’t buy cheap luxury cars you get on Facebook or other platforms without knowing what you are getting yourself into period. If your a master technician there are good deals to be had but make sure you have a few thousand aside for parts, or do a few parts here and there as a project and another car to drive in the meantime. It what most technicians typically do.
Reason most technicians drive older cars as we get them cheap in good condition frame and suspension wise and service them.
All I want is a sedan that is naturally aspirated. Just try to find a new one of those these days.
Took me forever to find a used 3rd gen escape for my wife. She wanted a moonroof, I won't buy a turbo car. Finally found one with the NA 2.5L. It's been a great vehicle .
The completely severed engine mount (or mounts) on a Jag that has done circa 120k is interesting. I suspect the previous owner (or owners) drove the Jaguar in one mode - foot flat to the floor - and possibly spent some 'quality time' at a race track.
I always see this pattern, owner gets caught of guard when they see a Jag or Audi bill. yeah, that tracks, EVERY. TIME. why do they think these get dumped off Lease or Warranty, like clockwork.
They are get dumped because the lease usually ends with warranty and they get a new one. The problems begin with the 2 or 3 owner. They want to look rich but can't afford repairs and maintence as you can see. The motor mounts and the supercharger bearing already gave up a while ago
that was the implication friend
Why don't Jaguar and Audi improve the durability of their cars? The people who lease them brand new seem to give the manufacturers a free pass to not improve and not try to benchmark or exceed Lexus levels of quality.
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The car company makes money, the lease company makes money, the lessee pays money and writes it off to tax deductibility....
so you and I as taxpayers lose money......
but we are only small potatoes...
and then we buy the money pits and pay hard earned money to the car company for parts and repairs..
It's the money...always follow the money!
@@TassieLorenzo German cars had issues between 2000-2010. Audi A4 11- is one of the most reliable cars according to the german version of AAA. On the other hand the RAV4 and CH-R are doing pretty bad, almost as bad as french cars. Germany has a mandatory safety inspection every 24 months and spare parts are relatively cheap. Germans also tend much more to buy cars they can afford to maintain, because of the mandatory safety inspections.
Car Wizard is a great CZcams channel!
Cost of a bearing kit about $300 or more likely an isolator at $25 + labor. The engine mounts are $250 with the transmission mount too. Basic "rebuild" including rotors is $900 with coated rotors $1400. There are also two types of bearings cup type or hole thru included in the "rebuild". I had the same noise from an isolator that a spring was defective. They make solid ones that don't use a spring. Mine was built the same year. For another $350 you can also get the SC ported!
Nice looking on the road or in the showroom. The only Jaguar I've ever salivated over, as a teen, was the E-type.
Wizard: you're going to notice the engine rocking.
The engine - _Packs a suitcase and leaves_
A local car lot has a 2015 Portfolio, 86K mile, California, no accident, fully dealer-serviced one of these for an asking price of $13,800.
Looks like a V8 LS Swap tp me...
I bought a 2010 XKR. Ended up doing what looked to be about $18k of dealer stuff. Took me 2 weeks and $2200. Supercharger coupler isn't difficult. We all know how much you like Jags.
You Saved me Mr. Wizard your idea of Unplugging the Mass Airflow Sensor worked on my old truck that wouldn't run more than 10 Seconds 👍👍
Looks like a Honda Accord? Is Mrs Wizard dipping into the hooch before filming?
She is saying that they don't have the same flair as the old Jags and she is correct.
Buy the jaguars and the accord. When the jag inevitably breaks remove the interior from the jag and install it in the accord.throw the jag away and enjoy a well appointed Honda for 15-20 years of trouble free driving.
Arh supercharger isn’t gonna fall apart. They do make noises to scare you. Just the coupler Though. £38 part.
I cam across a miss-fire on my dad's Chrysler 200 on cylinder 2. The dealership we got it from said he couldn't feel it. They replaced cylinder head bank 2, the miss-fire jumped from cylinder 4 to cylinder 2. Since i was in college I was able to test everything, mechanically everything was good. no vacuum leaks, it had a cylinder 2 miss-fire at idle but, above 1000 it disappeared. the injector for 2 was running lean. my teacher tossed me a can of bg 44k fuel system cleaner and after 20 minutes is disappeared. my dad finally has an amazing car that he can enjoy, not something he stubbornly keeps alive for year after year. It's not a rusty 80's ram van with no busted alternator and battery swapping, oil dropping from a leaking 350 small block rusted out vandura
I was in my early 20's and purchased a blue S-type R and got absolutely wrecked with repairs on the car for about 5 years. If it could break, it did. A few noteworthy items: timing chains guides replacements, throttle body & position sensors, coolant expansion tank replacement (2x), exhaust manifold crack, truck seal leak, filling water in trunk, power steering rack replacement, leaking shocks replaced...and the list goes on. Jags are junk. I only purchase Japanese and economy cars now. Best lesson I ever learned.
2003 S-Type w/AJ V8 here. 6yrs and I've spent about $3000 in repairs. I do all my own work and its a pretty good car. We even drive it on 2500 mile road trips. IMO if you buy a cream puff that's always in a garage and can do most of the work yourself... they aren't too much of a problem.
AJV8s are solid imo. Worst thing on those are air suspension but theres coil replacements, and tbh stock air lasts 100k if installed and maintained correctly
@@inspire6837 mine has the std suspension
@@inspire6837 No air suspension on the S type. Luckily! 🙂
Driven Jags for years - never had any problems issues apart from wear and tear parts. If you don’t maintain a car it will end up costing you or the mug you sell it to. If you can’t afford prestige car prices buy a Dacia.
The supercharger should have been serviced regularly. You giving the impression it’s a Jaguar problem but as I said it’s a poor maintenance problem. You’d get the same with any other make.
No, it’s a jaguar problem.
I started with a 2006 Jag X-Type than a Jaguar 2006 XJR for a summer car here in Montana. The X type would have something go wrong around once a month and the transmission went at 134,000 miles. Before that I got the XJR and at 123,000 miles that transmission went. I drove XJR like a Grandpa 95% of the time and the x type around 80% of the time………. I’m a licensed A and P mechanic in Aviation and was on top of both of those cars like a 172 Cessna aircraft, I did everything per repair manuals and even early fluid changes. Jaguars do fall apart just looking at them in the garage. I went with Escalade and then Lexus after those and I don’t think I’ll change from Lexus/Toyota. Good riddance though when the XJR trans went, I didn’t even piece it out to make money. Called the tow truck and later went with the Lexus. It’s peaceful knowing that you’re not going to break down or have stress over your head traveling farther than 30 miles. Never again with Jaguar l, never again.
I have an Euro E36 M3 Cabrio, an Audi S8 D2 and a Jaguar XKR x150 Cabrio (4.2 Supercharged). All 3 of them are moreless the same in terms of reliability, and only for big pockets... But I have to say, despite the 3 cars are truly amazing for my taste, The Jag is my favourite. It is an outstanding machine and quite reliable (if you can afford the proper maintenance and running costs).
This is exactly what I say to anyone who asks me about buying these kinds of cars. I have an XF of this generation and I fully understood that it could cost me 5k at any point I’m pretty competent with DIY so this is where I save the money hence why I know I can keep this kind of car on the road.
Mine is a 3ltr Diesel V6 (Uk) bought it on the cheap to fix it up gradually to use as a daily and I’ve had it nearly 2 years and it’s been extremely reliable few little niggles like one of the AC vents don’t open anymore (small plastic clutch) and the door lock module for the rear door has gone a bit weird.
All I do for all mine is treat it with respect keep the RPM lower than 2k in the mornings or after a cold start for the first 15 minutes this also allows the gearbox to warm up and circulate and do oil changes every 6 months for me this is about ever 8k miles using best quality oils.
And DO NOT trust the service intervals almost every car I have owned has been utterly rubbish with those it costs hardly any extra to change the oil more frequently.
It’s unfortunate to see cars like these with such horrific bills because they deserve to stay on the roads they just fall into the hands of people who really cannot afford it I think it’s called badge snobbery it’s not judging people at all far from it just don’t get fooled by a pretty grill because they can bite you where the sun doesn’t shine if you don’t treat them with respect and maintain them.
To be a little more specific mine is also an estate also known to you guys in the US as a wagon which wasn’t sold over there
Just make sure he never overheats the car and does oil changes on time!
When you buy any newer style of used luxury car, the upfront savings in depreciation are offset by the repairs it will invariable need. You practically need to be given the car in order to justify the repairs...and even then! The headaches and inconveniences aren't worth it for bragging rights of ownership. PASS!
Wow! On that second start up at 5:27, it sounds just like firing up on Olds 350 diesel on a cold morning! 😂 How did the buyer not notice that??
Just had my own problem with my XFR, first in 3 years of owning it. Love the XFs
For 10K dollars you can get a pretty nice and healthy toyota corolla OR the other option is to dump the money in this car and pray you won't have issues in your lifetime with this car again...
You can also get a lot of bus tickets for that money. The person wanted a nice car and got scammed.
Cars these days cost as much as the car itself for general repairs. One, the manufacturer builds them so complicated that it takes thousands to fix.
I think I will stick to my older car.
To be fair, Jags were always complicated. Especially the V12s. 🙂 Originally Jaguar wanted to refuse the indignity of downgrading to V8 engines, by designing the XJ40 model so that the "lowly" Rover V8 would not fit. But eventually the XJ went all-V8 under Ford ownership (the front end was re-engineered to accept wider 90-degree V8 engines compared to the narrow-angle V12), even if these V8s are not quite as silky and smooth as the old inline-six and V12 motors.
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They should build them so they can be worked on without complications.
I know a shop that works on Tesla's, and the owner said recently that on the older models are now seeing the requirement of the main battery needs replacing now at a cost of $12,000 to $20,000 just for the part, not including installation of it. He has so many of those cars now in his shop waiting on battery replacements that customers can't afford to repair it. We were saying instead of repairing a car when it breaks down, the manufacturer wants us to replace the car with a new one.
Ooooh my God...that engine flopping around was inSANE!!!
I bought a 2003 X-Type from across the country a couple of years ago because it was a rare 3.0L with manual transmission. The dealer who was selling it agreed to take it to an independent specialist shop a few minutes away, who gave me a run-down of its needs. I took care of some neglected maintenance and it's been very reliable despite having three owners before me and being a model the Wizard says to avoid. I wouldn't be afraid of an XJ40 or X300/308, either. But the XF is not only much more mechanically complex; it's also not a distinctive or outstanding car in any way.
Hey Car Wizard-Jaguar tech here. What in the world are you doing quoting these insane prices? You can send the Supercharger to a specialist for a full rebuild that will run you $600. These bearings/couplers need replacement periodically-not a big deal. Pair of OEM (not genuine) engine mounts are $400. My labor charge is 7 hours for the supercharger and 3 hours for the mounts. 10 hours at $200 is $2000 labor plus parts, so we're at $3000 even for supercharger and mounts fix. I know you're famous now, but it's not cool to gouge customers or scare potential owners.
100% correct. The so called "car wizard" is an absolute ripe off! How in the world does this guy get away with charging or quote these overblown repair prices??
Jag question. Anyone know what a pcm replacement is? Car won’t start after the installed a new alt and battery it wasn’t the prob had it towed back then after a weeek they said we need new pcm for $3300 Thoughts? Figured I’d ask thanks in advance if anyone answers !
@@bubbaolive883 A PCM (Powertrain Control Module) combines the functions of an ECM (engine computer) with a TCM (transmission computer) into a single unit. They aren't cheap. Not a common failure either...Since you've provided no useful information on the vehicle, or any background on the reason for replacing the battery and alternator I cannot provide any feedback.
right, this fool is ripping people off, this dude is not a mechanic, but a parts changer.
I bought a new xe six years ago only one problem fixed under warranty but I only do 4 thousand miles a year and it's serviced properly, I love it
The Jaguar is one of the most comfortable cars I've ever driven. Had one for a loaner when my BMW was in for body repairs. Drove it to Vegas and back. Smooth power, very fast. But, like you see here, their repair shop is packed!
Always entertaining. Often educational. Thanks for another one, Wizard!
My 2005 daily driver Jaguar XK8 with 156Kmi on it is the best car I've ever had, but I do my own work.
My 2001 is likewise, the best mistress ever . At 81k it's a near virgin...but for the right tensioner failure, non-catastrophic but it did extract $9,400 from the well heeled owner, in 2014 at just 52k mi!
Oh, in fairness and disclosure I should mention the 'green showers' he enjoyed too.
Wizard opens the hood/ bonnet... sees the word "Jaguar"...
Ah, here's your problem!
(you'd have thought that Ford would have brought some higher level of quality.)
yeah, I know.
"(you'd have thought that Ford would have brought some higher level of quality.) " They did, they were even worse before!
Sticky buttons. I had that on the two radio knobs in my '14 Cayman S, and using some rubbing alcohol and a rag I was able to wipe the gummy coating off. I hate that crap!
Great video!
I have a Jag with a Toyota Prius body. Runs like a champ!
I remember back in the days when jaguars used to have beautiful designs. And now they end up generic looking like this.
They still make a few beautiful jags. But those are more jag and less rebadged Ford's
The bonnet
@CarWizard the misfire is likely fuel injector, the supercharger probably just needs the nose cone replaced, is a common job on this era of v6 and v8 SC jags and landrovers they make a hell of a knock. Don't forget the outlet pipe and rear manifold while the blower is off it. Might as well do the waterpump, and thermostat as well and maybe coolant tank. Lol how bout the t-case diffs and trans, tires and brakes are soon, o and your dual batteries are weak. 😂
These can be nightmares!
He should have got the 3-litre Diesel. I have one, and it's great. There have been no problems at all in six years of ownership, and it gets 40 mpg as well.
I agree but unfortunately there many replaces that have been making it impossible to buy the diesel 😢
How many miles? I'm thinking of the 3.0 diesel, but I've heard turbos are expensive and can go at 50000miles!? My mechanic did a landrover with that engine and it was a 5 grand job!
Not without their problems too. The only perfect one is the 2.2d but it’s not the quickest.
a lot of problems with the 3.0 diesel, intake manifolds/rocker covers split all the time as the boost pipes are a part of it, £300 each and a lot of time, i had nothing but trouble from a one previous owner car with full history
Diesels are rare to non-existent for cars like this in the US.
The supercharger damper spring needs to be replaced. Misfires on that engine could be the following: coolant leaking into the cylinder. Possible stuck open fuel injector. And/or bad timing chains. The supercharger itself does not need to be replaced, just the damper spring. Pull the nose cone off of it and you're done.
That being said, it is easy to get a big bill for repairs on those. I worked as a JLR dealer tech for seven years. That one is a nice one and it is worth fixing.
We currently have a 2014 F-Type in our shop with the same engine, except nothing wrong with the supercharger. instead it needs all six new injectors. The worst part is that in order to remove the injectors you have to use a special tool which is basically a slide hammer with a special connector piece that clamps on the injector itself, and on our car, all 6 injectors were seized in there. We actually removed the stock weight on the hammer, and replaced it with a 15 kg dumbbell weight disc, and we got all six of them popped out, with only one injector broken.😂 after a few other issues relating two broken plastic coolant pipes in the v of the engine, Rusty and corroded valve cover bolts for us to remove to get the valve cover gaskets changed, and 6 new spark plugs and coils which were all seized in there of course🙄, all in all the total bill for this repair is well into the $20,000 range. The customers thinking about trading it in for a new mustang, which would probably suit him better.😂
NO Mr Wizard, this time it is you that are trying to scam the car owner. The supercharger is fine and will not explode into the engine! It is the supercharger coupler that needs to be replaced. The coupler is cheap and you just lift the supercharger enough to remove the snout.
$10k? 🤔
I've been a follower for a while. I appreciate your indepth knowledge on cars and trucks.
Probably just the supercharger coupler which is a cheap fix. That noise is probably the timing chains, which is a very expensive difficult fix. I hope they don’t spend 7k on a $40 fix and not actually fix the timing chains…
Even though its $10k to repair, it still in 2024 beats buying a new car. Cause even then your new car might need maintenance too and you have a high payment
After the $10 k bill, it WILL be something else later.
I have always thought of Jags as something nice to look at someone else driving. Anyone that buys one is not an educated buyer it seems.
Financial advice for the owner, who could clearly use some:
- If what you owe on the car + the cost of repairs is less than the value of the car, then repair it, sell it immediately, and pay off the loans.
- If what you owe + repairs is more than the market value, then do not get it fixed. Sell it as-is and pay off/ down what you still owe.
Either way, *do not keep that car.* If you need a car, buy an old Toyota. I'm not kidding. If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep sliding further into debt.
I ran so many Jags. V12 and straight six XJ-S, XJ6, Sovereigns. The only really nasty bill was for rebuilding the self levelling rear suspension on a Daimler Sovereign - I think £900, main dealer. There were loads of small problems, door handles, AC, etc, but never a major mechanical failure in probably 150k miles. The newest was probably a 1990, the oldest a '79.
10k at your shop rates
Which is why my cars are DIY maintained
I have no other choice
Yup I buy cars that are easy to work on and I don't have to pull the engine out just for minor stuff.
You get what you pay for.
You're paying for a mechanic's expertise. He's not just a dumb gorilla in overalls. On some of these cars, they require proprietary electronic tools not accessible to most DIY mechanics. You can't always just plug your laptop or your phone into those cars. Additionally if you break something that costs hundreds or even thousands of dollars to fix or replace, suddenly the Car Wizard's shop rates don't look so outrageous.
Exact. I maintain and repair my Jag myself and it isn't that expensive.
Customer. You should've just bought a Lexus or even a Camry. No matter if you think they're beneath you, they'll never give you this kind of unnecessary crap.
I think people are being a bit harsh on the owner. No one takes any notice if someone takes out a bank loan to buy a new car at 50k, loses 10k in depreciation in the first year and still has the rest to pay back. This guy at least gets to drive a super nice car for less than the price of a budget new one.
I still have my 2008 XF V8 4.2 naturally aspirated and I'm so glad it has no supercharger... though I'm on my second engine to be honest :D It's a beautiful car, got over 200k miles on it but I need to do quite a few maintenance jobs on it. Just these words, these cars eat coils like crazy
Take it out in the middle of nowhere, take everything out of it, take off the license plate, and leave a lit roadflair on the passenger floorboard. Have your friend drive you home. When you wake up in the morning, report it stolen 😂