Don’t get rid of it, instead restructure it. The whole point is to stop frivolous lawsuits from keeping cops from doing their jobs. Qualified Immunity currently has too broad of a definition on what it can and cannot allow, they need to narrow it down.
You all know there's never been any legislation creating qualified immunity the US Supreme Court created it. So there's no real way of repealing or terminating it, or even regulating it without it being some statue.
@@TrueMohax Statutes are made with wide and vague definitions for reasons. When police don't know that you've done anything wrong but they want to control you, it becomes disorderly conduct. When that comes out of a LEO's mouth, you know the officer is corrupt. Same with resisting of anything having to do with "public".
I believe QI was "invented" for minor mistakes on reports and other documents. It was not intended for handing out free violence by police officers. QI has been misused now since its conception and is considered a free pass for whatever they do. In my hometown, they have a "civilian board" that looks at the complaints lodged against officers from time to time and has yet to find one instance of misconduct along with the internal investigations division. How can this be? Recently appeals court has reversed some decisions and stripped two officers of their QI. The real problem though is who is paying out for the misconduct lawsuits. It is not the police officers, it is not the police force, it is the "taxpayers" who are paying for the misconduct. Untilk the guilty party is having to be responsible nothing will change. Only the loss of QI will change this type of behavior..
Better yet after the first time, a minimum of a a year and a day in jail with no time off for good behavior. Let them try and get a job with a felony and have to rebuild their life after losing their home, right to vote, and right to carry firearms.
It should carry a very very very long time behind bars. There is no excuse for the armed psychopaths to bully people and they need to be stopped, held accountable and punished
@@nemo227it is a known fact that the police unions and lawyers are using municipalities and state budgets like their personal piggybank to pay off lawsuits.
I'd be shocked if they weren't police vehicles. Police routinely park illegally, they think it's a fringe benefit. They park in handicapped spots when making routine calls so they don't have to walk too far. they also park in fire lanes all the time with no emergency lights on. Of course if it is an emergency call that can be understood but not for the report of a shoplifter or to pickup lunch.
One of the most frustrating thing about the court system is how cases against officers that are slam dunk readily gets dismissed. Which forces you to appeal, spend more money and time and effort etc. It's bs. It's like they want to dismiss everything and have you just go away.
I've always said if they dismiss the charges, then the cop should be held responsible and spend time in jail for arresting somebody without breaking the Law. Or when the prosecutor says he's not going to prosecute that officer should then be arrested it's been a day or two in jail because he arrested somebody unlawfully. 😊
Exactly, dismissing the charges against you leaves you no avenue to challenge the legality of the stop, *other than filing an expensive and time-consuming lawsuit.* And they know most people aren't going to do that. So they get away with it most of the time.
*The city of Des Moines settled the lawsuit on November 9, 2022. The city of Des Moines agreed to pay Mr. Daniel Robbins $125,000, and the lawsuit was dismissed.*
NOT ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!! Okay citizens, you need to sue for MILLIONS! Make it more than "The Cost Of Business", make it enough to make government boards rethink hiring these liabilities. Cops are lawsuit liabilities.
Once a cop “feels” disrespected the tipping point has been exceeded. They are at that point out of control and incapable of changing course. Stubborn stupidity and very costly for the taxpayers.
Ted Cox TOX, This is a prime example to get rid of qualified immunity and have the cops pay for their own insurance , NOT the taxpayers! doctors do it !
I watched the tape here on CZcams. The police did everything they could to scare and intimidate the guy because he was filming their illegally parked cars. They openly discussed how to proceed as they had the guy surrounded, and one said "Let's arrest him now, we can think up a charge later.' And that is what they did.
Also, the cops came at the guy all confrontational - because too many LEOs believe they have to intimidate and dominate in every situation. If they had calmly and more clearly explained their concerns about break-ins, stalkings and such, acknowledged his right to film, and said they preferred he stop filming, things might've gone a lot better.
Exactly what Trump wanted to do by confiscating guns from seniors. "I like taking the guns first and then later due process". That's why he supports law enforcement over the Constitutional Rights of the people.
This whole interaction is caught on tape, in fact it is on CZcams. The hubris on the officers was insane. It looks like they were upset he was filming illegally parked police vehicles.
They were upset because the illegally parked vehicles were undoubtedly the private vehicles of the police. Our local auditor has been threatened and assaulted for the exact same thing. The police are, in their own minds, protecting their own privacy. But that doesn't make it legal. In fact they are protecting their own wallet, because there must be paid parking near the police station where no one would notice the cars.
@@TheBooban Correct: They are the law and you do what they say when they say or, you get arrested. If you don't like it and can afford a lawyer, you might just get justice, or maybe not.
I saw the original video, and this is a very timely video from you Steve. The courts needed to fix this, and the cops needed to be knocked down a peg or two !
This is why the Absolute Immunity the US Supreme Court granted judges (Pierson v. Ray, 386 U.S. 547 - the same case that introduced the concept of qualified immunity for police officers) needs to be revoked. This was a pretty clear case of infringement of the US Constitution. That district court judge clearly wasn't doing his or her job properly and should be personally sued to set an example for others.
@@rodh1404 A lot of these false arrest cases are a result of the charge "Disrespect of the cops". The cops are bonkers about people who video the cops illegal acts. The immunity issue is just criminal in itself.
@@miscbits6399 Yes they do. Absolute Immunity is the legal term for the protection judges receive. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_immunity As mentioned in that article, judges still receive that protection even when it can be proven that they ruled with corrupt or malicious intent. Although the protection doesn't extend to criminal proceedings, civil lawsuits are denied regardless of the circumstances.
The police will still be indemnified by the cities they work for. And there could end up being more costs for courts. Also plaintiff’s suing the police will likely receive smaller settlements if the police aren’t indemnified.
That’s right the taxpayers need to stop paying for all the cops wrongdoings! Look at how they handcuffed and shackled a person to a chair,And also put a spit shield over his head.This person was a person of color. They beat him and they tased him until he died and then claimed that he was being combative and uncooperative. Oh yes four cops in jail can’t control one person. No they were just doing what they were told to do by the other KKK cups. Black lives don’t matter.And then when is shown on cc TV,The union says it’s OK don’t worry will cover you.None of you are going to lose your jobs , we will give you paid administrative leave while we investigate this. And if you’re found guilty don’t worry because you do you can go to the next county over and get rehired.Don’t worry we will give you the best reference you’ve ever had to the next KKK County Police Department.
So we went from "someone was filming cars which shortly got vandalized, so this is suspicious and we need to check the footage on this" to "we didn't violate his rights because we didn't arrest him even though we told him to his face he was under arrest"
In a fair world, a perjury charge would have been added to the complaint against those police officers due to them knowingly providing false testimony to the court.
@@joshuacheese7709 There is a video out there where a guy is arrested while videoing, sues wins, returns to video again the cops (knowing all this, STILL) arrest him again and he sues again. No shit.
For those who think that the auditor's activities are unnecessary, thank of this: If you are in a room, you do not know if you are a prisoner until you try the door. You could live your whole life as a prisoner without knowing it. If you try to exit and find the door locked, the person accosting you is your jailer. Somebody needs to try the doors.
The cops only incountered him and pushed it is because they are bullys and were just showing him they have power and can do what they want. They had no fear he was stalking or doing anything wrong. It was all about power over him and he must obey.
"If you don't have anything then you won't mind if I search your car." - Police "If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't mind if I film you."
Officer I'm not saying you personally are guilty of this, but I've watched video of cops planting drugs on innocent people, and I don't know you, so do you mind if I search you first?
The difference is that the US Constitution specifically prevents the first one (except under certain circumstances) while it specifically ALLOWS the 2nd (except under certain circumstances).
I have always found this statement unreasonable, because the people who practice law and adjudicate law have to research and look up the law to know if something is legal or not. These people spend a decade learning and practicing and they don't know the law completely. SO, how can a lay person possibly know the law.
The Officers' defense go something like this; my vehicle was broken into in the past, therefore everyone that walks down my street is guilty of attempting to break into it.. until they can prove otherwise.
Try your best to do no wrong. Look up the state book for getting your license and read it a couple of times a year so that you are up to speed on any changes in driving laws or new laws. Treat everybody the way you want to be treated and everything should be hunky dory .
That's the level of dysfunction in our legal system. Government entities have what amounts to unlimited legal resources and use this to their advantage. The rich can afford representation so they don't care. This is also why law enforcement over-polices poor areas - they know they can get away with unconstitutional behavior. Poorer people have neither the resources nor the time to seek representation.
The parked cars were POLICE cars. I live in Miami and if you walk around the court house the illegally parked car are all police cars. They speed when off duty and think laws don't apply to them. My girlfriends' brother is one of these and flouts his "qualified immunity" all the time.
It was such a problem in front of the criminal court in downtown Los Angeles the No Parking signs now specifically state that police vehicles will be towed.- they still park illegally on the side street.
Looking back 2 years latter here did they..police...search his camera and cell phone?If so did they have a search warrant here?Another possible violation
This and other vids like this are why many of us who once were fierce in our defense of LE are just walking away. Remove immunity. Enforce booting these guys out of LE. They have NO business being Sworn. If the apparently uncontrollable FOP worsens it must be abolished. Great vid Steve, Thanks
A cop tried this BS on me. Someone had called the cops on me. They thought I had left my son unattended in a car while I ran into Walmart. My two teenagers were in the car with him. If who ever called the cops had walked up to the car they would have seen that my eldest had the passenger seat laid back and my other kid was lying on the backseat playing on the phone. Any-who cop came to the house, talked to my kids who confirmed they were all in the car and then came into my backyard where I was walking my dogs. I confirmed with him again they were all in the car together. He then asked me why I was acting nervous? Then he said why do I smell marijuana? I told him strait up “you don’t”. Told him that if I smoke anything legal or otherwise I’d be in the hospital. I have severe lung damage from an infection I suffered 3 years prior. Told him to look in my purse if he didn’t believe. I have three inhalers and 4 prescription meds I take for lung function. After that the jack ass finally left.
Yep, We have morphed into a Society where your rights and liberties are only allowed according to Police action and opinion. Regardless if their actions are criminal and their opinion is wrong. Immunity has to be rescinded for Police and Prosecutors. Land of the Fee home of the Slave.
You would be surprised how many criminals get court by the police going back and seeing who was loitering around the place days before the crime happened. also a great way to convince someone to not go to the police is record them doing so But more importantly for that case there had been another case in the same time period were someone filming cops ended with dead cops
@@froufroufeatherstone6291 No. The cops knew exactly who he was and what he was doing. They engage in a charade that only low IQ people and courts entertain
If anyone of you ever becomes a juror just remember what jury nullification is it is a very powerful tool everyone needs to educate themselves and then others
@@shanefowler3504 Wasn't the lack of privacy that upset them. They're irritated that anyone would dare hold them to account for the laws they purport to serve.
I have seen that video, and yep those cops actually said on camera, lets seize his camera and arrest him, we will figure it out latter....yep all on camera...imagine what they do to people who dont have cameras
If a Police officer who is armed, steals my rights, the ones I pay for every day in the taxes I pay, and the blood I spilled in The USAF, can I charge the officer with ARMED ROBBERY?
Which is exactly why they feel they can do whatever they want. The courts establish lying is OK decades ago and now assault and murder are OK too. The courts are a big reason the police have become the enemy not a protector.
@@HonestTakeOnStupid That was my conclusion/conspiracy theory regarding "Murder, She Wrote" -- The main character, Jessica Fletcher, was a writer of mystery books (somewhat like Agatha Christie) who did a lot of traveling and, invariably, wherever she went, a murder would be committed and she would "help" the local authorities "solve" the murder -- she would always identify someone who had the means and motive to commit the murder, then she would make that person feel so guilty that they would confess in front of dozens of witnesses, including the local authorities whereupon he or she would be arrested. After years of watching the series, I eventually concluded that a mystery writer always being near murder scenes was too incredible to be a believable premise, so I came to the conclusion that Jessica Fletcher was a brilliant serial killer who pulled off her innocent little old lady routine so well that she could browbeat innocent people into confessing to murders they hadn't really committed because they felt so guilty for hating the murder victims! 😳
"We've had reports of mopery in this area. We're going to arrest you on charges of mopery and confiscate your phone and camera until we figure out what mopery is and whether you're guilty of it, or something."
@@seymourbutts9085 Yes, commonly considered first degree mopery, along with naughty thoughts, considering having naughty thoughts, intent to consider having naughty thoughts, eliciting naughty thoughts, conspiracy to consider having naughty thoughts, aggravated conspiracy to consider having naughty thoughts . . . failure to watch the Oscar ceremony . . . etc.
The first "frisk", the one where his arm was grabbed and lifted above his head, was a search, not a frisk. The officer took what looked like a cell phone out of his pocket. That is a 4th amendment violation. Then later on he was actually frisked with his hands on truck after he was accused of loitering.
Sadly we've put hundreds of unqualified judges onto courts the last four years. Basically if you were pro-corporation and pro-state you could be a judge. It's why packing the courts with conservative justices is so scary because it means less freedom for we the people.
@@jdanon203 I agree with you, however as thinking of myself as a conservative and a Constitutionalist, our basic constitutions federal/state, if not abused and mal-formed by corruption, self-interest and love of overloading and not as a public servant, should be eminently sufficient for justice to supply peace and safety in our populace. This seems to be going, going, gone now. The judiciary/penal system at all levels does not serve the people, with few exceptions.
@@jdanon203 I'm Hispanic/Latino. I lived in a predominantly African-American neighborhood that was slowly becoming predominantly Hispanic from 1981 to 1997. Except for the middle class Black family that lived across the creek from my family (our two houses were the nicest in the neighborhood), almost all of the Blacks that I met there looked at me with obvious hatred just because of the color of my brown skin. Why should I believe that Black Lives Matter if most Blacks think my brown life doesn't matter? The BLM leadership (not to mention Antifa which is even worse) is extremely left-wing, encouraging rioting and looting, not non-violent protesting. Liberal Democrats (who are in control of the party now) love BLM and Antifa. I'm much more worried about the civil liberties we might lose during the Biden administration (especially if he is forced to resign due to his health and his socialist VP takes over), considering that the Democrats are in control of both the House and Senate, much more than I was ever concerned during the Trump administration.
"When the police break the law there is no law'--Billy Jack. I served as a PEACE officer(Deputy Sheriff) intermittently for thirty years, I am appalled of the behaviors and actions of Law Enforcement now, what pathetic narcissists. It's no wonder Police are less respected than Congress, used car salesmen have moved far up the list as far as I am concerned!
It's a nanny state symptom. Same reason school teachers are awful now, they don't have any freedom to run their classroom. Police no longer have freedom to just enforce the law, too many desk-riders watching everything they do. Their report of every encounter has to make sense to some lawyer reading it later. Therefore they err on the side of treating everyone like criminals. If the person sounds like a criminal on the police report that will justify whatever the police do to that person. They have to be accountable to lawyers today, decades ago they only had to be accountable to the people they policed.
@@gorkyd7912 Interesting. Can you give more details, especially about this: "Their report of every encounter has to make sense to some lawyer reading it later." What lawyer? Why reading? What happens if it does not make sense? And most important, what would be lawyer's reaction if the cop does _not_ treat everybody as criminals? One would think that review by the lawyer would ensure actual compliance with the law, including not violating the rights?
@vad R There are multiple lawyers from multiple agencies that review the police report, starting with the heads and internal affairs within the officer's own station and the prosecutor's office. If it goes to court the report will be picked apart by the defense's lawyer or public defender and the judge. If the case gets appealed the report could be reviewed all the way up to the supreme court. Take any recent controversial police interaction and imagine if the police report had been highly favorable to the other party. If the police execute a warrant on you and end up breaking down your door and shooting your dog they wouldn't want a previous police report out there that says "@vad R was very polite and reasonable" since that testifies against their own use of force.
I was a policeman in the Air Force. It would have be acceptable to overreact like this. I an horrified at how the police just do whatever they want to do, with the knowledge of their supervisors. The reason they fire or allow a bad cop to quit is so they can just get hired somewhere else.
Robbins had no information that the cars were purportedly "undercover" cars until the police told him. And the linchpin of their harassment of Robbins was "We have had cars stolen from this lot." - Cars stolen from a police station lot. Well isn't that a great endorsement of their skills as police?
“Reasonable articulable suspicion that criminal activity may be afoot” isn’t dependent on what the suspect knows or doesn’t know. It’s about what facts are available to the police at the time and what rational inferences could be made from those facts.
Love the Rat Rod shirt Steve! I used to collect the little statues of the different cars and such back in the 60s and 70s, but they disappeared over the years. I miss my 63 Nova even more!
Unfortunately, they can't be fired for being stupid. It's one of the great mistakes of our founding fathers. There should be term limits on Congress and all Federal Judges.
As a mostly conservative person, I suspect this is a Republican appointed back the blue type type of judge. This is among the most embarrassing parts of conservatism.
"You're under arrest!" "What am I under arrest for?" "Resisting arrest!!" Shit like this is why many people don't trust police and more than a few people hate cops. I know they're not all like this by a long shot, but enough of them are that the publics' distrust is entirely warranted.
None sense, as a percentage of all the arrests made in the country everyday, the rate of occurrence of things like this is minuscule. It’s irrational to fear the police over this, Chicken Little.
@@tobyihli9470 : So for you to decide what's right and what's wrong it's all about percentages, is it? Well, let's see about than. Considering all the banks that operate each and everyday without being robbed, we shouldn't worry about it because the rates are "miniscule'? Of all the people who walk the streets at night without being molested or accosted, those that doo occur should be ignored because aren't those rates also 'miniscule'? And given the number of children who go to school each and everyday and are never, ever abused by a trusted teacher, we are just being a bunch of 'Chicken Littles', because the rates of occurrence is infinitesimally 'miniscule', are they not? Are you getting the picture? Do you see the flaws in you reasoning? If one cop falsely arrests just one individual, seizes property, or violates constitutionally protected rights, then it is a fucking problem. And it is a problem we should not only worry about, it is one that warrants a remedy. Remember: Most everything that holds the potential to do great and grave harm begins small. It then grows from there if there is no interest, no concern, no outrage. I realize you are obviously not a 'deep thinker', but goddamn. Your thoughts should be deeper than the morning dew.
@@misterdeeds2172 Another one, both in his own little world, and simultaneously in orbit around it. Your use of examples are so skewed you can’t make your metaphors intelligible. The rate of bank robberies is so minuscule, that no individual bank employee should fear going to work. You see, how your not only in your own little world, you’re likewise held by your own flawed thinking that you cannot think any further outside of it than your orbit will allow. Deep enough for you?
I get the feeling that there are a lot judges of that think we SHOULDN'T have a right to our day in court when someone that works for the government violates your rights.
How can you not have contempt for someone who is so corrupt that he violates the oath he swore to protect people. Instead lies to enforce laws that don't exist, doesn't understand or just ignores the laws that do exist, falsely arrests innocent people for crimes the he himself is breaking, and reacts violently when his ego and pride is insulted leading to serious physical injury or even death to any who dare challenge his authority?
There is no presumption of privacy in public. Citizens nor public officials have a right to privacy in public. Every one knows this. Police absolutely know this.
Video shows he was taking pictures of cars parked on the sidewalk. After he was spotted by a police officer, he was told they were undercover and personal vehicles of the officers in the nearby police station (as if that means it is OK to park like that!). He drew a crowd of 8 police officers, including multiple lieutenants and a captain. One of the lieutenants was the one suggesting they arrest him for loitering and "suspicion" and seize his camera to look at it. The captain was the one who decided he was going to take the camera and phone, to see what's on them. The captain also told him where to go in the police building to register a complaint. The level of un-professionalism shown in the video was shocking, from the moment that one of the police officers decides he's going to reach into the guy's pockets (no forewarning) to remove whatever is in there, then perform a pat down as the guy is talking to another police officer, to the captain telling him that he just came out today to reject authority. I hope this guy wins big in court.
If any of my belongings had been taken in such a situation, I would've become belligerent, telling them that they have no right to search me as I haven't broken any laws. Police officers who act like that are thugs unworthy of any respect whatsoever! 😡
THEY DON'T SEEM TO BRIGHT, IF CARS ARE BEING STOLEN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STATION ? I JUST WATCHED AGAIN AND WONDERED IF THE COPS EVER ARRESTED THE PEOPLE THAT KILLED THE TWO COP'S OR ANY ONE OF THE VANDALS THAT DESTROYED PROPERTY OR ANYONE THAT STOLE THE VEHICLES
Great coverage of this story. More people are on the streets or sidewalks with their cameras, and many ppl, including the police do t know what rights an individual has.
Cops often use the phrase "This is a high-crime area'" to justify their harassment of innocent civilians. However, in the early 1990's I read in the Florida Statutes Annotated FS 901.151 Paragraphs 1,2,5 & 7 The judge ruled that the term "High-crime area" has no legal definition. The judge's ruling goes on to state several things that are specifically denied criteria. Things that cannot be used to justify a stop: The time of day or night, The person's appearance, the officer's prior knowledge of the person etc
@@HippieLongHaired Yep, it was the same kind of BS as trying to take black people's gun rights in certain areas with total gun ban laws. BTW I grew long hair since this covid BS started. Walking my pomeranian not long ago at the park, the cops basically stopped to check me out. Then they turned around after driving 150 feet down the road when they saw me get in my car, briefly stopping behind it again checking me out. I had been crossing the road and they didn't realize I had drove to the park until I crossed and they saw me get in my legal car, which is why they turned around. Pigs. Pretty messed up that someone who's lived in a small town for decades has to be given a negative view of the police, by the police. I have no criminal record, no DUIs ever, and not even a ticket on my driving record since 1989. Cops: putting fear into law abiding citizens like myself until we stay indoors, afraid to go anywhere like people in the Stasi controlled East Germany or North Korea.
A childhood friend of mine had a father who was a local policeman. I learned that all officers carry drugs around in their trunk! Supposedly to compare, so if they find drugs they have something to compare them to, like anyone doesn’t know what pot looks like. Especially a cop. It was clear to me that they freely and often plant drugs on anyone they want to arrest, there was no good reason for them to carry these illegal items around in their car, much less a whole pound of it!
cops getting upset is unprofessional, and probably the biggest reason why officers are hated by many; they get an attitude and stick it to you for things not related to the original reason for a stop
@@veramae4098 Looks like it has been pulled. Audit the audit, the news now community and others have been complaining about their videos being taken down. A few channels have also been removed. This is being done by police departments requesting their removal in the public interest.
@@jerrymyrtle1944 Oh. So maybe that's what happened to the police video / blood in the rental unit I wrote about below, and now I can't find. I did comment back on the video about a "computer model [someone] has developed to help catch serial killers, would be easy for them to use in future JIC, and said this was going to haunt them as long as the video was on the Internet ..." Maybe they took me seriously.
The courts see their role as protecting the pigs. The courts are their to ensure the status quo and the pig vermin are how they do it. You are utter scum to both the pigs and the courts, you do not matter
Steve, it seems that it would be reasonable and just to award compensation not only to right the injustice, but to make it substantial enough that it would send a message and deter any more such illegal actions by law enforcement.
So many negative consequences and rights violations stemming from these interactions could be avoided if police just quietly watched people to see what they are doing rather than confronting them. This could be called "investigating".
I can't believe how fast this case made it through the courts. Defense: We didn't arrest him but he gave a false name after his arrest. Well, which is it?
The establishment of "qualified immunity" was the worst thing that ever happened to the citizens of the U.S. Before arresting people and taking away their rights cops need to apply the actual law, not make something up just because they don't like someone's behavior.
Not all of them, but could you imagine having one of those as a coworker and nobody to back you up when there is corruption? Whistleblowers are not protected enough.
Reminds me of my history lessons about WWII in which the Nazis Party members and the Gestapo could do what they wanted with no retribution from the people. This is the same thing which appears to happen in Russia and other dictatorships.
Make police carry their own liability insurance like doctors and other professionals. Give them a base stipend to buy insurance. If they get many lawsuits or complaints their rates will go up..... eventually the bad apples will be rooted out by high premiums.
@@daversj Physicians, advanced practice nurses and PAs are required to have something called an NPI, National Provider Identifier. These were enacted to essentially prevent 'gypsy doctors,' who have had major issues at a facility/area from just moving around all the state and nation. With the NPI, any lawsuits or disciplinary action (even lawsuits which are not successful) are on the NPI, so facilities seeing this are reluctant to grant privileges to the provider. Why can't we have such a thing for LEOs? It'd be a good start, but city counsels need to be involved in hiring decisions then. Police chiefs and sheriffs overwhelmingly hire cops from 'the next town over' after some major issue that is widely known, as there is no downside to doing so at this time.
End qualified immunity NOW!
You will see a big change in police interactions when they do. City's and states will save a lot of money in law suits.
Don’t get rid of it, instead restructure it. The whole point is to stop frivolous lawsuits from keeping cops from doing their jobs. Qualified Immunity currently has too broad of a definition on what it can and cannot allow, they need to narrow it down.
You all know there's never been any legislation creating qualified immunity the US Supreme Court created it. So there's no real way of repealing or terminating it, or even regulating it without it being some statue.
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@@TrueMohax Statutes are made with wide and vague definitions for reasons. When police don't know that you've done anything wrong but they want to control you, it becomes disorderly conduct. When that comes out of a LEO's mouth, you know the officer is corrupt. Same with resisting of anything having to do with "public".
Qualified immunity is pure BS.
You are absolutely correct!
I believe QI was "invented" for minor mistakes on reports and other documents. It was not intended for handing out free violence by police officers. QI has been misused now since its conception and is considered a free pass for whatever they do. In my hometown, they have a "civilian board" that looks at the complaints lodged against officers from time to time and has yet to find one instance of misconduct along with the internal investigations division. How can this be? Recently appeals court has reversed some decisions and stripped two officers of their QI. The real problem though is who is paying out for the misconduct lawsuits. It is not the police officers, it is not the police force, it is the "taxpayers" who are paying for the misconduct. Untilk the guilty party is having to be responsible nothing will change. Only the loss of QI will change this type of behavior..
Arrest for what's basically, 'contempt of cop' should carry a large fine for the arresting cops.
you would think...
To be paid to the arrested person wrongly !...
Better yet after the first time, a minimum of a a year and a day in jail with no time off for good behavior. Let them try and get a job with a felony and have to rebuild their life after losing their home, right to vote, and right to carry firearms.
It should carry a very very very long time behind bars. There is no excuse for the armed psychopaths to bully people and they need to be stopped, held accountable and punished
10 years and a day ruin thier lives and their anuses@@user-gl5dq2dg1j
Looking suspicious to a cop is a felony crime to them.
Only until police are held personally accountable this will continue
no more IMMUNITY !!! no more PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS !!!! yes to PERSONAL MALPRACTICE INSURANCE !!!! quit making the taxpayers pay for criminal cops.
Ditto, the head of the department, mayor, city administration.
@@nemo227it is a known fact that the police unions and lawyers are using municipalities and state budgets like their personal piggybank to pay off lawsuits.
Wanna bet the illegally parked cars belonged to some of the officers involved?
According to some videos I've seen which analysed this event, there definitely were.
That is exactly the first thought that crossed my mind...
Of course they did. That's why they shook him down.
I'd be shocked if they weren't police vehicles. Police routinely park illegally, they think it's a fringe benefit. They park in handicapped spots when making routine calls so they don't have to walk too far. they also park in fire lanes all the time with no emergency lights on. Of course if it is an emergency call that can be understood but not for the report of a shoplifter or to pickup lunch.
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit
One of the most frustrating thing about the court system is how cases against officers that are slam dunk readily gets dismissed. Which forces you to appeal, spend more money and time and effort etc. It's bs. It's like they want to dismiss everything and have you just go away.
I believe your assessment is 100 percent correct.
I've always said if they dismiss the charges, then the cop should be held responsible and spend time in jail for arresting somebody without breaking the Law. Or when the prosecutor says he's not going to prosecute that officer should then be arrested it's been a day or two in jail because he arrested somebody unlawfully. 😊
yeah thats exactley what they want, the courts see their role as protecting the pigs
Exactly, dismissing the charges against you leaves you no avenue to challenge the legality of the stop, *other than filing an expensive and time-consuming lawsuit.* And they know most people aren't going to do that. So they get away with it most of the time.
Exactly
The judges on the district court that originally dismissed this case should be removed from the bench.
He committed the crime of "Contempt of Cop".
A most heinous offense!
No contempt of gods...
Very True! Count Two, He committed the crime of holding public servants ACCOUNTABLE
Bingo
It's an actual unwritten charge amongst cops...POP..Pissing Of Police !
The problem is that they do this way too often without any consequences.
And they wonder why they are getting killed and people don’t trust the police.
I would have asked them if these officers were “special” officers. Are they mentally deficient or specially trained to do these things?
Did they provide the proof of their reasoning?
They had no minimum level of justified suspicion.
I cannot believe the law allows this to happen. Insanity.
*The city of Des Moines settled the lawsuit on November 9, 2022. The city of Des Moines agreed to pay Mr. Daniel Robbins $125,000, and the lawsuit was dismissed.*
NOT ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!! Okay citizens, you need to sue for MILLIONS! Make it more than "The Cost Of Business", make it enough to make government boards rethink hiring these liabilities. Cops are lawsuit liabilities.
So public tax dollars are paid for a police officers mistake. Bummer.
City settled."SHOCKING"
@@gregbellinger5765mistake? Lol…
@@gregbellinger5765 Until the public reigns in "THEIR" cops!
0:20 "some police don't react well when they encounter somebody with a camera".
Understatement of the year!
Once a cop “feels” disrespected the tipping point has been exceeded. They are at that point out of control and incapable of changing course. Stubborn stupidity and very costly for the taxpayers.
Thats what happens when we hire dumb cops
@@justanotherguy8791 only dumb people are hired to be cops, smart people don't apply and the ones who do are promptly turned away.
Ted Cox TOX, This is a prime example to get rid of qualified immunity and have the cops pay for their own insurance , NOT the taxpayers! doctors do it !
czcams.com/video/OWOtUDf0elQ/video.html
cops are made to be this way with purpose. cops are above the law, politicians too
I watched the tape here on CZcams. The police did everything they could to scare and intimidate the guy because he was filming their illegally parked cars. They openly discussed how to proceed as they had the guy surrounded, and one said "Let's arrest him now, we can think up a charge later.' And that is what they did.
Also, the cops came at the guy all confrontational - because too many LEOs believe they have to intimidate and dominate in every situation. If they had calmly and more clearly explained their concerns about break-ins, stalkings and such, acknowledged his right to film, and said they preferred he stop filming, things might've gone a lot better.
Exactly what Trump wanted to do by confiscating guns from seniors. "I like taking the guns first and then later due process". That's why he supports law enforcement over the Constitutional Rights of the people.
The cops, their lawyers and the first district court (likely all related): tyrants.
Little by little, the courts are chipping away at our freedoms and constitutional rights!!!
I'm glad that's on tape as it will help with the law suit I hope the guy is bringing.
They claimed he gave a false name after arrest that they just argued that he wasn’t under arrest is utterly ridiculous
Doesn’t the assertion that he was never arrested amount to a confession that they stole his phone and camera?
This ☝🏾 1000%
I've seen that video. The police were mad because he was filming the officers illegally parked cars .
yep, I saw this too. It's mind boggling that District Court dismissed the case...
@@bessarion1771 probably one of their relatives vehicles being filmed. Politics, both federal and local, is often a family business.
@@RavenJCain Most likely. The civilian police review boards often employ family members of the police AND politicians.
Have a link to the video?
@@XBootlicker no sorry I saw it 2 months ago . On a first amendment auditor channel, I surf CZcams alot .
This whole interaction is caught on tape, in fact it is on CZcams. The hubris on the officers was insane. It looks like they were upset he was filming illegally parked police vehicles.
They were upset because the illegally parked vehicles were undoubtedly the private vehicles of the police. Our local auditor has been threatened and assaulted for the exact same thing. The police are, in their own minds, protecting their own privacy. But that doesn't make it legal. In fact they are protecting their own wallet, because there must be paid parking near the police station where no one would notice the cars.
@@TheBooban Correct: They are the law and you do what they say when they say or, you get arrested. If you don't like it and can afford a lawyer, you might just get justice, or maybe not.
Got a link?
I saw the original video, and this is a very timely video from you Steve. The courts needed to fix this, and the cops needed to be knocked down a peg or two !
Courts have a tendency to side with cops... regardless of visual evidence (photography/videography) and eye-witness testimonies.
Daniel is an amazing auditor and does much more than record 🎥 illegally parked car. Thank you for covering!
The judges at the District Court deserve to be sent to traffic court.
This is why the Absolute Immunity the US Supreme Court granted judges (Pierson v. Ray, 386 U.S. 547 - the same case that introduced the concept of qualified immunity for police officers) needs to be revoked. This was a pretty clear case of infringement of the US Constitution. That district court judge clearly wasn't doing his or her job properly and should be personally sued to set an example for others.
@@rodh1404 A lot of these false arrest cases are a result of the charge "Disrespect of the cops". The cops are bonkers about people who video the cops illegal acts. The immunity issue is just criminal in itself.
@@rodh1404 Who's gonna revoke it though? Judges gave it to themselves, and no judge wants to lose it.
@@rodh1404 they don't always get absolute immunity - and let's not forget US judges being jailed for supplying private prisons
@@miscbits6399 Yes they do. Absolute Immunity is the legal term for the protection judges receive. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_immunity
As mentioned in that article, judges still receive that protection even when it can be proven that they ruled with corrupt or malicious intent. Although the protection doesn't extend to criminal proceedings, civil lawsuits are denied regardless of the circumstances.
ABOLISH QUALIFIED IMMUNITY!!! Let them pay their own bills!!!!
Yes, and serve time for their crimes!
The police will still be indemnified by the cities they work for.
And there could end up being more costs for courts.
Also plaintiff’s suing the police will likely receive smaller settlements if the police aren’t indemnified.
Qualified immunity is important-- but the manner in which it is granted needs changing.
That or make them pay for their own liability insurance.
That’s right the taxpayers need to stop paying for all the cops wrongdoings! Look at how they handcuffed and shackled a person to a chair,And also put a spit shield over his head.This person was a person of color. They beat him and they tased him until he died and then claimed that he was being combative and uncooperative. Oh yes four cops in jail can’t control one person. No they were just doing what they were told to do by the other KKK cups. Black lives don’t matter.And then when is shown on cc TV,The union says it’s OK don’t worry will cover you.None of you are going to lose your jobs , we will give you paid administrative leave while we investigate this. And if you’re found guilty don’t worry because you do you can go to the next county over and get rehired.Don’t worry we will give you the best reference you’ve ever had to the next KKK County Police Department.
So we went from "someone was filming cars which shortly got vandalized, so this is suspicious and we need to check the footage on this" to "we didn't violate his rights because we didn't arrest him even though we told him to his face he was under arrest"
Imagine if a doctor amputated the wrong leg, and you could not sue them because he thought he was amputating the correct leg.
In a fair world, a perjury charge would have been added to the complaint against those police officers due to them knowingly providing false testimony to the court.
The District Attorney would have to charge the officers in criminal court.
This is a civil action.
@@user-otzlixr the OP refers to the “complaint”. That’s civil. “Charges” are criminal. Semantics, I guess.
@@funnlivinit and zero chance of that.
That's 'bs'
@@CHMichael it's ok for police to lie to *you*. not to the *court*.
Imagine being told you can be held and your property taken because someone else did something.
I would just buy another camera and go back to the same police station and start recording just to piss them off
@@joshuacheese7709 picture that!
Sure they steal your property. How else can they afford to pay young officers with 2 yrs education 250K a year.
Someone set the dormitory trash chute on fire. The entire dorm was fined $5 each. Nearly caused a riot.
@@joshuacheese7709 There is a video out there where a guy is arrested while videoing, sues wins, returns to video again the cops (knowing all this, STILL) arrest him again and he sues again. No shit.
For those who think that the auditor's activities are unnecessary, thank of this: If you are in a room, you do not know if you are a prisoner until you try the door. You could live your whole life as a prisoner without knowing it. If you try to exit and find the door locked, the person accosting you is your jailer. Somebody needs to try the doors.
Excellent words
The cops only incountered him and pushed it is because they are bullys and were just showing him they have power and can do what they want. They had no fear he was stalking or doing anything wrong. It was all about power over him and he must obey.
"If you don't have anything then you won't mind if I search your car." - Police
"If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't mind if I film you."
Funny how they love the first one and hate the second one.
Officer I'm not saying you personally are guilty of this, but I've watched video of cops planting drugs on innocent people, and I don't know you, so do you mind if I search you first?
It's also funny that they've had dash cams for a few decades and now body cams, but WE'RE the problem when we start filming. How dare us plebes.
The difference is that the US Constitution specifically prevents the first one (except under certain circumstances) while it specifically ALLOWS the 2nd (except under certain circumstances).
Cops don’t like a taste of their own medicine. It’s a bitter pill to swallow.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse
Especially to a law officer
*Except for an officer, fixed it for you. Atleast that seems to be the courts take on it ever time it comes up.
I have always found this statement unreasonable, because the people who practice law and adjudicate law have to research and look up the law to know if something is legal or not. These people spend a decade learning and practicing and they don't know the law completely. SO, how can a lay person possibly know the law.
The Supreme Court has ruled that a police officer does not need to know the law.
He or she can arrest anyone if they think that they are correct!
Police officers are the only ones I have ever heard say this statement that are not just repeating what another said
@@johnfluke1358 That is insane.
HOLDING THE POLICE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS IS ABSOLUTELY A MUST.
The Officers' defense go something like this; my vehicle was broken into in the past, therefore everyone that walks down my street is guilty of attempting to break into it.. until they can prove otherwise.
Without a limitless budget for lawyers, how do I keep my rights?
Bring a solid case and they will work on spec.
DO NOT TALK TO ANY PERSON IN UNIFORM.
Try your best to do no wrong. Look up the state book for getting your license and read it a couple of times a year so that you are up to speed on any changes in driving laws or new laws. Treat everybody the way you want to be treated and everything should be hunky dory .
False name after he was not ever arrested ? What ? Ohmanimgettingtiredoftubiesalgarhyme.
That's the level of dysfunction in our legal system. Government entities have what amounts to unlimited legal resources and use this to their advantage. The rich can afford representation so they don't care. This is also why law enforcement over-polices poor areas - they know they can get away with unconstitutional behavior. Poorer people have neither the resources nor the time to seek representation.
The parked cars were POLICE cars. I live in Miami and if you walk around the court house the illegally parked car are all police cars. They speed when off duty and think laws don't apply to them. My girlfriends' brother is one of these and flouts his "qualified immunity" all the time.
This just shows who the real "Sovereign Citizens" are because they think their badge grants extra rights. They think they are Judge Dredd.
Give me his name , license number and circumstances next time he does that. I would be glad to turn him I.
@@constitutionprotector3130 have fun being harassed by the blue gang.
@@constitutionprotector3130 of course if that actually happened, I highly doubt it. On a boys trip out allot of bullshit...
It was such a problem in front of the criminal court in downtown Los Angeles the No Parking signs now specifically state that police vehicles will be towed.- they still park illegally on the side street.
Looking back 2 years latter here did they..police...search his camera and cell phone?If so did they have a search warrant here?Another possible violation
This and other vids like this are why many of us who once were fierce in our defense of LE are just walking away. Remove immunity. Enforce booting these guys out of LE. They have NO business being Sworn. If the apparently uncontrollable FOP worsens it must be abolished. Great vid Steve,
Thanks
Cop: I smell marijuana in your phone!
Cause they just planted it.
Only marijuana you smell is what's on your uniform and in your pockets.
They got the K9 for his camera.
He saw him make a "furtive" movement.
😂🤣😭🤣😂
A cop tried this BS on me. Someone had called the cops on me. They thought I had left my son unattended in a car while I ran into Walmart. My two teenagers were in the car with him. If who ever called the cops had walked up to the car they would have seen that my eldest had the passenger seat laid back and my other kid was lying on the backseat playing on the phone. Any-who cop came to the house, talked to my kids who confirmed they were all in the car and then came into my backyard where I was walking my dogs. I confirmed with him again they were all in the car together. He then asked me why I was acting nervous? Then he said why do I smell marijuana? I told him strait up “you don’t”. Told him that if I smoke anything legal or otherwise I’d be in the hospital. I have severe lung damage from an infection I suffered 3 years prior. Told him to look in my purse if he didn’t believe. I have three inhalers and 4 prescription meds I take for lung function. After that the jack ass finally left.
A person exercising their rights perturbed the police, and aroused suspicion. Just another day in Police State, USA.
Yep, We have morphed into a Society where your rights and liberties are only allowed according to Police action and opinion. Regardless if their actions are criminal and their opinion is wrong. Immunity has to be rescinded for Police and Prosecutors. Land of the Fee home of the Slave.
Fight back.
Delete Qualified immunity from all Cops so we can Sue them for being Criminals
I remember watching this video a while back and it's AWESOME to hear how this is playing out! Thanks
Vandals and thieves usually don't stand around recording themselves in broad daylight. Courts let the LEOs get away with the charade.
Actually they do, but they’re often referred to as cops
They do. Criminals are not smart, because they are the ones that get caught. Lol
You would be surprised how many criminals get court by the police going back and seeing who was loitering around the place days before the crime happened.
also a great way to convince someone to not go to the police is record them doing so
But more importantly for that case there had been another case in the same time period were someone filming cops ended with dead cops
@@SilverMe2004 Clearly not in this case.
@@froufroufeatherstone6291 No. The cops knew exactly who he was and what he was doing. They engage in a charade that only low IQ people and courts entertain
if I get on his jury, he's coming out a multi-millionaire, if every city has to go bankrupt to end this crap, so be it.
every city? "the city" will exist when all the tax payers go broke and homeless
sure.....
If anyone of you ever becomes a juror just remember what jury nullification is it is a very powerful tool everyone needs to educate themselves and then others
Your comment, if it was known, would get you struck from the jury.
@@yurmabeechaudits3522 Then the citizens deserve to go broke and homeless for not muzzling and/or replacing their out of control police.
The judges that dismissed this case in the first place should be jailed themselves. Dereliction of duty.
If cops don't face any consequences for making bad arrests, *cops have no incentive to avoid making bad arrests.*
Robbins was filming multiple off-duty police cars (private) parked on red curbs just outside the PD office and it upset the cops.
No privacy exists in public view.
@@shanefowler3504 Wasn't the lack of privacy that upset them. They're irritated that anyone would dare hold them to account for the laws they purport to serve.
I have seen that video, and yep those cops actually said on camera, lets seize his camera and arrest him, we will figure it out latter....yep all on camera...imagine what they do to people who dont have cameras
Yeah, and we know what they did to Mark Curtis in Des Moines in the 1980s.
You got it brother! Straight up!
We don't have to wonder you just have to look for the headstone
Yep, we need our cameras to protect the truth
Look who is being placed in lower courts and you’ll find the problem.
If a Police officer who is armed, steals my rights, the ones I pay for every day in the taxes I pay, and the blood I spilled in The USAF, can I charge the officer with ARMED ROBBERY?
They will say it depends on whose blood you spilled. ;-) Bad taste jokes aside, great point.
No
Look up qualified immunity . It put a shield around all officers against prosecution for anything just or unjust.
Implied immunity or something says they get away with everything.
Blood spilled in the USAF? I'm presuming that it is your blood you're speaking of. Did you get a paper cut or something?
Amazing how easily courts dismiss violations of the law by cops.
@Nehemiah Scudder 😋
You spelled "criminal" wrong. I know 'Amazing' looks similar. Rooky mistake! ;-)
All involved are Government...... except for the Pesky Peasant Citizen.
Which is exactly why they feel they can do whatever they want. The courts establish lying is OK decades ago and now assault and murder are OK too. The courts are a big reason the police have become the enemy not a protector.
Just means the judge is also violating his oath of office.
He was NOT required to identify.
Courts just dismissing all counts in clear police wrongdoing seems punitive
"Somebody in this room is the murderer," said Hercule Poirot, "so I will arrest everybody under suspicion of murder."
Except himself, the real killer.
@@HonestTakeOnStupid That was my conclusion/conspiracy theory regarding "Murder, She Wrote" -- The main character, Jessica Fletcher, was a writer of mystery books (somewhat like Agatha Christie) who did a lot of traveling and, invariably, wherever she went, a murder would be committed and she would "help" the local authorities "solve" the murder -- she would always identify someone who had the means and motive to commit the murder, then she would make that person feel so guilty that they would confess in front of dozens of witnesses, including the local authorities whereupon he or she would be arrested. After years of watching the series, I eventually concluded that a mystery writer always being near murder scenes was too incredible to be a believable premise, so I came to the conclusion that Jessica Fletcher was a brilliant serial killer who pulled off her innocent little old lady routine so well that she could browbeat innocent people into confessing to murders they hadn't really committed because they felt so guilty for hating the murder victims! 😳
"We've had reports of mopery in this area. We're going to arrest you on charges of mopery and confiscate your phone and camera until we figure out what mopery is and whether you're guilty of it, or something."
Revenge of the Nerds. Exposing yourself to a blind person ?
@@seymourbutts9085 Yes, commonly considered first degree mopery, along with naughty thoughts, considering having naughty thoughts, intent to consider having naughty thoughts, eliciting naughty thoughts, conspiracy to consider having naughty thoughts, aggravated conspiracy to consider having naughty thoughts . . . failure to watch the Oscar ceremony . . . etc.
@@jguenther3049 I'm sooooo guilty of mopery.
Very cool comment-made me smile!
Great comment- Not 1 cop in 10,000 would know what it is. I am going to have to rewatch the movie.
The first "frisk", the one where his arm was grabbed and lifted above his head, was a search, not a frisk. The officer took what looked like a cell phone out of his pocket. That is a 4th amendment violation. Then later on he was actually frisked with his hands on truck after he was accused of loitering.
This is great. Thank you
The best line I've heard, "If I'm free to go, I'm free to stay".
News Now Houston came up with that line. Amongst many more that are commonly used.
@@NewsNowCommunity lol of course news now Houston reminds us of what he invented(;
Love you David thanks for all you do
@@krotchlickmeugh627 Actually, this time you caught his son. I m James.
@@NewsNowCommunity hey nice to meet you James. Looking forward to seeing your content if any. Nice to meet the son of a legend
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Maybe the District Court also needs to be retrained!
They need to be forcefully removed from the bench for violating their oaths to support the constitution.
Sadly we've put hundreds of unqualified judges onto courts the last four years. Basically if you were pro-corporation and pro-state you could be a judge. It's why packing the courts with conservative justices is so scary because it means less freedom for we the people.
@@jdanon203 I agree with you, however as thinking of myself as a conservative and a Constitutionalist, our basic constitutions federal/state, if not abused and mal-formed by corruption, self-interest and love of overloading and not as a public servant, should be eminently sufficient for justice to supply peace and safety in our populace. This seems to be going, going, gone now. The judiciary/penal system at all levels does not serve the people, with few exceptions.
@@jdanon203 I'm Hispanic/Latino. I lived in a predominantly African-American neighborhood that was slowly becoming predominantly Hispanic from 1981 to 1997. Except for the middle class Black family that lived across the creek from my family (our two houses were the nicest in the neighborhood), almost all of the Blacks that I met there looked at me with obvious hatred just because of the color of my brown skin. Why should I believe that Black Lives Matter if most Blacks think my brown life doesn't matter? The BLM leadership (not to mention Antifa which is even worse) is extremely left-wing, encouraging rioting and looting, not non-violent protesting. Liberal Democrats (who are in control of the party now) love BLM and Antifa. I'm much more worried about the civil liberties we might lose during the Biden administration (especially if he is forced to resign due to his health and his socialist VP takes over), considering that the Democrats are in control of both the House and Senate, much more than I was ever concerned during the Trump administration.
I love the princess bride reference at the end …. Priceless…😆🤣😂
The cops were pissed off because he was fillming cars that undoubtedly belonged to cops.
"When the police break the law there is no law'--Billy Jack. I served as a PEACE officer(Deputy Sheriff) intermittently for thirty years, I am appalled of the behaviors and actions of Law Enforcement now, what pathetic narcissists. It's no wonder Police are less respected than Congress, used car salesmen have moved far up the list as far as I am concerned!
It's a nanny state symptom. Same reason school teachers are awful now, they don't have any freedom to run their classroom. Police no longer have freedom to just enforce the law, too many desk-riders watching everything they do. Their report of every encounter has to make sense to some lawyer reading it later. Therefore they err on the side of treating everyone like criminals. If the person sounds like a criminal on the police report that will justify whatever the police do to that person. They have to be accountable to lawyers today, decades ago they only had to be accountable to the people they policed.
@@gorkyd7912 Interesting. Can you give more details, especially about this: "Their report of every encounter has to make sense to some lawyer reading it later." What lawyer? Why reading? What happens if it does not make sense? And most important, what would be lawyer's reaction if the cop does _not_ treat everybody as criminals? One would think that review by the lawyer would ensure actual compliance with the law, including not violating the rights?
@vad R There are multiple lawyers from multiple agencies that review the police report, starting with the heads and internal affairs within the officer's own station and the prosecutor's office. If it goes to court the report will be picked apart by the defense's lawyer or public defender and the judge. If the case gets appealed the report could be reviewed all the way up to the supreme court. Take any recent controversial police interaction and imagine if the police report had been highly favorable to the other party. If the police execute a warrant on you and end up breaking down your door and shooting your dog they wouldn't want a previous police report out there that says "@vad R was very polite and reasonable" since that testifies against their own use of force.
I was a policeman in the Air Force. It would have be acceptable to overreact like this. I an horrified at how the police just do whatever they want to do, with the knowledge of their supervisors. The reason they fire or allow a bad cop to quit is so they can just get hired somewhere else.
As an X LEO I as well am APPALLED. BTW, I now sell cars. Thanks.
Robbins had no information that the cars were purportedly "undercover" cars until the police told him.
And the linchpin of their harassment of Robbins was "We have had cars stolen from this lot." - Cars stolen from a police station lot. Well isn't that a great endorsement of their skills as police?
“Reasonable articulable suspicion that criminal activity may be afoot” isn’t dependent on what the suspect knows or doesn’t know. It’s about what facts are available to the police at the time and what rational inferences could be made from those facts.
Sounds like an outright lie of theirs. They've outright lied to me before.
There the ones that stole them off the lot
If they are undercover cars why do they park them right on front of the police station for everyone in town to see.. great job Dick Tracey.
Lol. Cars are stolen from lots all over the place. Does not give cops probable cause.
Long story short:
The city paid $125,000
to keep it from going in front of a jury.
Thing is, these cases
NEED to go to trial
to set precedents.
Love the Rat Rod shirt Steve!
I used to collect the little statues of the different cars and such back in the 60s and 70s, but they disappeared over the years. I miss my 63 Nova even more!
The district court judge that dismissed this needs to be fired for corruption or incompetence at least .
"If the law doesn't matter when a cop violates it, *the law doesn't matter when ANYONE violates it."*
Unfortunately, they can't be fired for being stupid. It's one of the great mistakes of our founding fathers. There should be term limits on Congress and all Federal Judges.
Sued for malpractice. :P
@@ianbattles7290 Law enforcement, means enforcement of the law. Everywhere. Everyone.
As a mostly conservative person, I suspect this is a Republican appointed back the blue type type of judge.
This is among the most embarrassing parts of conservatism.
"You're under arrest!"
"What am I under arrest for?"
"Resisting arrest!!"
Shit like this is why many people don't trust police and more than a few people hate cops. I know they're not all like this by a long shot, but enough of them are that the publics' distrust is entirely warranted.
None sense, as a percentage of all the arrests made in the country everyday, the rate of occurrence of things like this is minuscule. It’s irrational to fear the police over this, Chicken Little.
@@tobyihli9470 : So for you to decide what's right and what's wrong it's all about percentages, is it? Well, let's see about than. Considering all the banks that operate each and everyday without being robbed, we shouldn't worry about it because the rates are "miniscule'? Of all the people who walk the streets at night without being molested or accosted, those that doo occur should be ignored because aren't those rates also 'miniscule'? And given the number of children who go to school each and everyday and are never, ever abused by a trusted teacher, we are just being a bunch of 'Chicken Littles', because the rates of occurrence is infinitesimally 'miniscule', are they not? Are you getting the picture? Do you see the flaws in you reasoning? If one cop falsely arrests just one individual, seizes property, or violates constitutionally protected rights, then it is a fucking problem. And it is a problem we should not only worry about, it is one that warrants a remedy. Remember: Most everything that holds the potential to do great and grave harm begins small. It then grows from there if there is no interest, no concern, no outrage.
I realize you are obviously not a 'deep thinker', but goddamn. Your thoughts should be deeper than the morning dew.
@@misterdeeds2172 Another one, both in his own little world, and simultaneously in orbit around it. Your use of examples are so skewed you can’t make your metaphors intelligible. The rate of bank robberies is so minuscule, that no individual bank employee should fear going to work.
You see, how your not only in your own little world, you’re likewise held by your own flawed thinking that you cannot think any further outside of it than your orbit will allow. Deep enough for you?
They usually suspect you of being suspicious before they arrest you for resisting arrest.
@@billyjoejimbob75 hardy har har, cute.
Taking photos in public is such a basic well known thing. How do cops STILL claim they do not know this?
I get the feeling that there are a lot judges of that think we SHOULDN'T have a right to our day in court when someone that works for the government violates your rights.
I’ve seen the raw video of this incident. Mr. Robbins was in no way belligerent.
Where did you see it?
@@jeffwashburn36 it’s on CZcams. I’ve seen it also.
czcams.com/video/2KPHJDz5NQM/video.html
@@jeffwashburn36 I believe it was on the Audit the Audit channel recently.
@@jeffwashburn36 Audit the Audit channel for one
Perturbed the police. A gentle way of saying contempt of cop.
Its a funny thing to use words they do not know the definition of... until the batons are out.
How can you not have contempt for someone who is so corrupt that he violates the oath he swore to protect people. Instead lies to enforce laws that don't exist, doesn't understand or just ignores the laws that do exist, falsely arrests innocent people for crimes the he himself is breaking, and reacts violently when his ego and pride is insulted leading to serious physical injury or even death to any who dare challenge his authority?
Police escalate minor situations in order to score more points on their quotas.
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What isn't mentioned here, it would seem he was filming officers illegally parking their own cars (in front of the station) and not getting sited.
you already know they are not going to cite their own vehicles
@@ghostwriter720 of course, but the victim here was trying to catch them in the act and they didn't like it.
@David Bryant Cited
@David Bryant sorry, cited.
@David Bryant I guess sited would be targeted in a rifle or camera.
Seems like the "we've been having problems with vandalism to cars" is almost always uttered by ignorant cops in situations like this.
That or "we've had a lot of break-ins lately"
@@post-leftluddite yes, lie lie lie.
Yeah,a gang of uniformed things has been stealing possessions from cars, and slashing the tires of any cars in an area.
There is no presumption of privacy in public. Citizens nor public officials have a right to privacy in public. Every one knows this. Police absolutely know this.
The judge in this case - "can you show me any case where "ambush by camera" permitted a Terry frisk?"
City attorney: "no your honor"
..finally ...the question is asked..thanks
I am willing to be that was BS.
If a cop asks you what are you doing? Answer- I'm minding my own business!
"I don't answer questions."
I use the minding business one on my partner all the time
Or even better - the Al Bundy response "Unlike you, I'm minding my own business!"
Piss them off and say, "CZcams told me not to talk to strangers."
Don't answer at all. If they had reason to arrest you, you would be being arrested.
Where are your papers? Comply! Achtung! Mach schnell!
@ThePatUltra Hogan's Heroes
Nah, this day and age it's "RACIST" "WHITE PRIVILEGE " "BIGOT"
GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA!
Yep
@@brianbird3756 all races honestly.
Any use of the word REASONABLE in legal issues is UNREASONABLE.
Hiring standards for police should be raised
Video shows he was taking pictures of cars parked on the sidewalk. After he was spotted by a police officer, he was told they were undercover and personal vehicles of the officers in the nearby police station (as if that means it is OK to park like that!).
He drew a crowd of 8 police officers, including multiple lieutenants and a captain. One of the lieutenants was the one suggesting they arrest him for loitering and "suspicion" and seize his camera to look at it. The captain was the one who decided he was going to take the camera and phone, to see what's on them. The captain also told him where to go in the police building to register a complaint. The level of un-professionalism shown in the video was shocking, from the moment that one of the police officers decides he's going to reach into the guy's pockets (no forewarning) to remove whatever is in there, then perform a pat down as the guy is talking to another police officer, to the captain telling him that he just came out today to reject authority.
I hope this guy wins big in court.
If any of my belongings had been taken in such a situation, I would've become belligerent, telling them that they have no right to search me as I haven't broken any laws. Police officers who act like that are thugs unworthy of any respect whatsoever! 😡
The problem is nothing he wins comes from the department or the officers. They get no penalty.
THEY DON'T SEEM TO BRIGHT, IF CARS ARE BEING STOLEN RIGHT IN FRONT OF
THE STATION ? I JUST WATCHED AGAIN AND WONDERED IF THE COPS EVER
ARRESTED THE PEOPLE THAT KILLED THE TWO COP'S OR ANY ONE OF THE
VANDALS THAT DESTROYED PROPERTY OR ANYONE THAT STOLE THE VEHICLES
☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
OMG thank you for pointing that out!!!
Stands to reason cops are involved or covering it up.
TOO BRIGHT?🤣😂🤣
Cops are allowed to lie. So it's just more of that.
Great coverage of this story. More people are on the streets or sidewalks with their cameras, and many ppl, including the police do t know what rights an individual has.
I watch tons of first amendment auditor videos and in almost all of them the cops always say "we've had a lot of break ins lately"
If the sworn police can't handle security of our cars, they should hire private security to do their job? Since they can't handle it.
It is because they waste their time and energy on those folks, that burglers have it so easy.
Cops often use the phrase "This is a high-crime area'" to justify their harassment of innocent civilians. However, in the early 1990's I read in the Florida Statutes Annotated FS 901.151 Paragraphs 1,2,5 & 7 The judge ruled that the term "High-crime area" has no legal definition. The judge's ruling goes on to state several things that are specifically denied criteria. Things that cannot be used to justify a stop: The time of day or night, The person's appearance, the officer's prior knowledge of the person etc
Police literally have a handbook of "the dog ate my homework" bs explanations/made up laws, etc to give to people.
@@HippieLongHaired Yep, it was the same kind of BS as trying to take black people's gun rights in certain areas with total gun ban laws. BTW I grew long hair since this covid BS started. Walking my pomeranian not long ago at the park, the cops basically stopped to check me out. Then they turned around after driving 150 feet down the road when they saw me get in my car, briefly stopping behind it again checking me out. I had been crossing the road and they didn't realize I had drove to the park until I crossed and they saw me get in my legal car, which is why they turned around. Pigs. Pretty messed up that someone who's lived in a small town for decades has to be given a negative view of the police, by the police. I have no criminal record, no DUIs ever, and not even a ticket on my driving record since 1989. Cops: putting fear into law abiding citizens like myself until we stay indoors, afraid to go anywhere like people in the Stasi controlled East Germany or North Korea.
so if a officer makes things up. he can get away with anything. and as we all know our court system is corrupt.
exactly, never trust law enforcement
That is exactly correct. COPS can make up "facts," and arrest you for them.
A childhood friend of mine had a father who was a local policeman. I learned that all officers carry drugs around in their trunk! Supposedly to compare, so if they find drugs they have something to compare them to, like anyone doesn’t know what pot looks like. Especially a cop. It was clear to me that they freely and often plant drugs on anyone they want to arrest, there was no good reason for them to carry these illegal items around in their car, much less a whole pound of it!
What disgraceful court dismissed this out of hand at first? That's even more disgusting and concerning than what the cops did.
cops getting upset is unprofessional, and probably the biggest reason why officers are hated by many; they get an attitude and stick it to you for things not related to the original reason for a stop
The illegally parked cars were both unmarked police cars and officers personal vehicles.
How do you know this? Just curious.
@@veramae4098 watch the video and who gets in and out of them. The videographer also states this as the reason he is filming them.
@@jerrymyrtle1944 I'd like to. Can you give me the site?
@@veramae4098 Looks like it has been pulled. Audit the audit, the news now community and others have been complaining about their videos being taken down. A few channels have also been removed. This is being done by police departments requesting their removal in the public interest.
@@jerrymyrtle1944 Oh. So maybe that's what happened to the police video / blood in the rental unit I wrote about below, and now I can't find.
I did comment back on the video about a "computer model [someone] has developed to help catch serial killers, would be easy for them to use in future JIC, and said this was going to haunt them as long as the video was on the Internet ..."
Maybe they took me seriously.
amazing the level of criminal activity by public officials being exposed these days not to mention complicity by some of the courts.
The courts see their role as protecting the pigs. The courts are their to ensure the status quo and the pig vermin are how they do it. You are utter scum to both the pigs and the courts, you do not matter
Steve, it seems that it would be reasonable and just to award compensation not only to right the injustice, but to make it substantial enough that it would send a message and deter any more such illegal actions by law enforcement.
So many negative consequences and rights violations stemming from these interactions could be avoided if police just quietly watched people to see what they are doing rather than confronting them. This could be called "investigating".
I can't believe how fast this case made it through the courts.
Defense: We didn't arrest him but he gave a false name after his arrest. Well, which is it?
That's why you never answer questions. he was probably being a smart-ass by saying John doe. But whatever you say can be used against you
Even worse...
Defense: We didn’t arrest him, but he gave a false name before we arrested him for giving a false name after arrest.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who noticed that.
@@LADETROIT But most of us just are not soliciting cops to violate our rights so that we can sue them.
@@LADETROIT But most of us just are not soliciting cops to violate our rights so that we can sue them.
You can judge how well a police dept is doing when they arrest more criminals than they employ.
I will bet anyone 2 cents that the illegally parked cars that he was filming belonged to the police officers that made the arrest
I'd really like to know how the district court could get away with just dismissing this case?
The establishment of "qualified immunity" was the worst thing that ever happened to the citizens of the U.S. Before arresting people and taking away their rights cops need to apply the actual law, not make something up just because they don't like someone's behavior.
Cops thinking is simple: I am the law, I have the badge, whatever I say goes!
Simplicity at its best!
Not all of them, but could you imagine having one of those as a coworker and nobody to back you up when there is corruption? Whistleblowers are not protected enough.
Reminds me of my history lessons about WWII in which the Nazis Party members and the Gestapo could do what they wanted with no retribution from the people. This is the same thing which appears to happen in Russia and other dictatorships.
@@tuvoca825 Not all. But a significant amount of them. It's odd how this same behavior seems to be so common in any area of the US.
@@Harry-zz2oh I lived through the commie days. My grandparents lived through the Nazis and the commies. That's exactly how it was.
It's not the badge they rely on; it's the weapon!
Should be a 6 figure payout..but it'll be from the taxpayers instead of from the cops insurance #AbolishQualifiedImmunity
The money should come straight from their pensions.
Make police carry their own liability insurance like doctors and other professionals. Give them a base stipend to buy insurance. If they get many lawsuits or complaints their rates will go up..... eventually the bad apples will be rooted out by high premiums.
@@daversj Actually I *really* like this idea! Takes away the "we didn't have to pay for our insurance before" union argument.
@@daversj Physicians, advanced practice nurses and PAs are required to have something called an NPI, National Provider Identifier. These were enacted to essentially prevent 'gypsy doctors,' who have had major issues at a facility/area from just moving around all the state and nation. With the NPI, any lawsuits or disciplinary action (even lawsuits which are not successful) are on the NPI, so facilities seeing this are reluctant to grant privileges to the provider.
Why can't we have such a thing for LEOs? It'd be a good start, but city counsels need to be involved in hiring decisions then. Police chiefs and sheriffs overwhelmingly hire cops from 'the next town over' after some major issue that is widely known, as there is no downside to doing so at this time.
@@daversj zz
The members of the lower courts work hand in hand with the law enforcement officers.
Theft of personal property.