Here’s the current HUBLOT situation
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- "Why does everyone hate Hublot so much?" I get this exact question a couple of times per day. In this video I am finally going to answer it!
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What do you think about the entire Hublot situation? Am I blowing this out of proportion or is there a serious problem at hand? Let me know what you think in the comments down below!
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Jenni
Jenniiiii, just seeing this! Class ❤️ ! Hope to see you guys soon💪
The OG of Hublot haters 😎
And She didnt torn up her shirt... Class indeed ❤❤ 😂😂😂
Jenni Elle's next video: Here is the current situation of "Iced out watches"
Nico Leonard: *stops ticking*
THE LEGEND! THE PIONEER!!!
FVCK UBLOOO!!!
she wore 2 watches in the video btw :D
Nico if you could only choose between a non factory iced out anything and a hublot of your choice, which'd be your poison ;)
I once made the mistake of leaving a Hublot in the passenger seat. I was gone only a few minutes and a criminal smashed my car window and left two more.
Excellent LMAO 😂
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I thought I was the only one who went through such unpleasant experience . The iPod was stolen but I found these Hublots and Franck Müllers disposed in my car. I never told my wife or anyone about this humilation - it was so awkward
@@resuscitationpicture I’ve heard that in some of the worst parts of south London criminals have been known to hold their victims at knife point to force an Hublot onto their wrist.
I can’t even imagine the trauma and humiliation that would cause. -That’s why these crimes often go unreported.
@@rev.andyh.1082 How can humans develop such brutality? At WEMPE they have specially trained therapists to overcome such trauma. They will tell you these guys had a toxic childhood as they were forced to wear undersized velvet suits for church - on every single Sunday.
Dearest Jenni,
This is an excellent analysis. Keep up the good work.
You’re so fair and responsible, I appreciate your objectivity
When I was in the market for a new luxury watch a couple of years ago, I got really bad service from Rolex. At hublot, I got treated like a valued customer and I really liked the big bang and ended up buying one. No intentions to sell it and I am very happy with it, regardless of what others think, as I bought it for me.
Service really makes a difference, and at the end of the day, it’s your wrist - not everyone else.
Buy what u like. its what makes you happy in the end.
I agree with you
had a similar experience just recently, i think the rolex guys are a little exhausted of ppl who cant afford the watches coming into the shop, and not actually having any watches to sell. breitling guy was great though, super experienced, clearly a watch enthusiast, super nice.
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Love it when you are always so objective and funny at the same time! Too much judgements and too little kindness on internet. Thanks Jenni, for being a glimmer of hope and justice in this cruel internet world! Best wishes from Singapore!
On point #2, if heritage is necessary, we're essentially saying new luxury watch brands are doomed before they start. I don't think that's fair. As long as a brand can embrace that it is new and modern I think we should be willing to give it a shot. The brands that are worse to me are those that are sold to a conglomerate who then revives old model names and tries to steal heritage from another group of people who used the name decades ago.
Yep, it's the same as saying a person cannot become president simply because they are common people and not from a family line of career politicians. Heritage matters but to neuter competition just because the lack of it kinda sucks imo
Heritage should be necessary if your watch costs the same as a used car. Nobody has an issue with most modern luxury brands because they don't charge $10-15k for a watch. Take a look at Christopher Ward. They're innovative, good looking, and offer excellent value for money. Hublot is more expensive than C. Ward and have gaudy ugly designs.
If you REALLY like some of the big, tacky Hublot designs, just buy a quartz Invicta, swap out the movement for a high quality mechanical, and keep the change.
@@notgray88 Richard Mille has entered the chat.
@@itsthejdquest If someone gifted me a Richard Mille I wouldn't even bother to take it out of the box and just sell it. I'd rather use that money to buy a couple reversos or something actually wearable.
What's funny is that the same 5 points can be used to describe why RM is so hype. Lol
the funny part is that Bentley shares a lot of parts with VW/Audi, and Rolls Royce with BMW
well, rolls royce IS owned by BMW
Sharing the parts is like sharing individual gears, screws & stones - perfectly fine.
However sharing the whole engine would have caused questions.
The movement of the watch is the key point of engineering innovation. If the company “outsource” that part, they basically just sell the design and finishing. Which might be totally fine for many people - there is market for Brabus after all.
I share a lot of elements with a Bentley too, like carbon, oxygen, nitrogen….
Audi/BMW are luxury premium car manufacturers and their shared parts and for the sake of quality and reliability.
Are you comparing ford to Audi and bmw though? 😂
I have to say the argument that they don't offer value for money coming from people selling royal oak jumbos for 150 grand is a bit funny
I think one of the major reasons why Hublot is really hated universally is the price point of their watches. They are toe to toe with some of the top watch makers out there, having only a fraction of their legacy or innovation. It is mostly like buying a decent dish, at at a michelin star price.
Agreed but then why is RM so loved? Yes they might do many things even better than Hublot but does it justify the even more ridiculous price?
@@horusfalco8837 Definately not Sir. They are also overpriced AF. Though I would admit, RM's do somewhat justify their price point by creating that genre of overpriced highly engineered watches.
If innovation and price is a criteria, Rolex should really be dying any year now.
Was Nico in Harry Potter series? Looks like the Ratman.
@Fonetiker you should research more
that is the best yet most underated video that i have watched and very well explained and thought out good job!!
The "quartz crrisis" is largely a later Swiss marketing myth to sell "mechanical has soul"(and bigger margins). It was actually the Swiss who had invested heavily in quartz in the 1960's and saw it as the future. Seiko got the first quartz to market, just, but it was little more than a prototype, made in tiny numbers and cost the same as a family car. A couple of months later the Swiss Beta21 hit the shops(along with the Longines UltraQuartz) in numbers. They were expensive too and seen as cutting edge luxury. In the early 1970's the top of the range watches with the highest prices from Swiss brands like Omega, Rolex, AP, Patek, Longines et al were quartz.
What caught out the Swiss were _digitals_ invented in the US, improved and made cheaper in Japan. Digital watches were the trend of the late 70's into the 80's. The Swiss were way behind in tech and too expensive.
AP and Patek had almost nada to do with the survival of luxury mechanical watches. They were always pretty niche and AP took years to sell their first run of Royal Oaks. The RO and Nautilus were even niche until fairly recently. Go back to watch forums even ten years ago and almost nobody was talking about them. 1970's watches in general were "unfashionable". Both are very much of the moment.
One of the big things that saved the Swiss mechanical industry was Swatch and a cheap colourful plastic and quartz fashion watch that sold in huge numbers in the 1980's and gave Swatch a load of cash to refloat their brands and the "mechanical as luxury " marketing.
THIS is your channel, sir. Short informative pieces with the prefix… ‘did you know,’ is much needed in this space and I feel would be lapped up in favour of bunny ears, sunglasses and scripted scandals. I’d subscribe immediately! 🙏😣
@@mr_watchaddict3146 That's very kind of you Mr W. However sadly and unlike Jenni, I've a great face for radio and again unlike Jenni what I know of the current scene could be written on a postage stamp, in big letters, in crayon. 😁 I sub to this channel to get a handle on what's current(and I'm a fellow IttyBittyWristComittee member). It's actually one of the handful of 'Tube watch channels I do watch. Others are either too breathlessly pretentious, or dealers pimping their wares, or middle aged men shouting at each other for some odd reason, or all of the above. 😁
It's a matter of how much effort was put in to make a product. a printed poster from Ikea will never fetch the money that an artist painted. An iphone picture is ALWAYS more clearer than a painted portrait, but anyone can take a picture with a phone. It takes skill and time to paint a picture. An FP Journe Quartz watch can fetch for a lot of money because even though it's quartz, a lot of time and effort was put in to make it. It's a piece of art. A quartz movement from Seiko had 0 minutes of hand making, and can be produced 50k times in 1 day.
@@DonLee1980 There's something to that alright. The very early quartz were more "handmade" than most mechanicals of the time. In some even the circuitry was hand soldered. Though the Grand Seiko quartz today blows the FPJ out of the water on a few points.
Still, brands like Rolex and Omega produce watches in their millions on an industrial scale using industrial methods. These are not Old Masters, or hand made by magical Swiss elves in sylvan glades. There's a lot less handmade involved today in a Speedmaster or Submariner than there was in 1970, yet they're significantly more expensive allowing for wages/inflation etc. Brands like Longines, Seiko and Tissot are about the price now as they were back then. Their broad ranges of types and prices are more like back in the day too(Rolex ranges were always pretty narrow. From the 50's on basically an Explorer with different bezels and handsets, in the 60's a chrono that they couldn't give away originally and hard to sell gold dress watches. Even today there are no waiting lists for Cellini)
Another thing that changed was back then the brands were all independents, the majority competing for the same customers in jeweller's windows(Patek and the like were very niche). So if you were looking for say a divers watch, the Omega, Rolex, Longines, Doxa, Blancpain etc were lined up together, so unless there were extra features involved, they were all in and around the same prices. If an average good quality divers watch was 200 dollars/pounds then some might be 240, others might be 170. The spread was much narrower and the huge price differences by brand marketing and Swatch/LMVH conglomerate positioning weren't in play like today.
I don't know if you can say that nobody was talking about Patek's and RO's ten years ago. They were still very much talked about in the online watch community (Hodinkee - when it was smaller, aBlogtoWatch, SJX, and etc). It' just more along the lines that the watch market has blown up since then. To say something was niche then when the entire market then was slightly more niche is a tad disingenuous.
I know a guy with a €26000 Hublot and I told him that his watch was nice and he replied that mine was nice as well (a €250 Dan Henry). If he reacts like this, that’s the only thing that counts because it shows that he just likes watches.
Lol Dan Henry junk
@@shpickey what a nice enthusiast you are.
Both watches are shitters. Watches are about excellence, not clout.
@@lachlanbrown409 excellence is always relative.
@@lachlanbrown409 so you’re about clout
Sorry for just now getting around to seeing this one, but I really love and respect that you took such a stance on such a controversial topic on the internet today! Well worded, and such a great video!
Great vid, appreciate all
your different perspectives
"hublot is overpriced"
people who said it clearly have not heard of richard mille
😂😂
or rolex
@@arctic_skies or Omega, Breitling, GS, JLC, PP, AP and 95% of luxury watch brands out there!
True. I was just lazy to writte down everything. Basicly everything above 1k is crap.
@@arctic_skies Why don't you make a watch of Rolex quality below $1000?
Great video, Jen. Very interesting take on Hublot. I never heard of them until Nico, but I checked them out. At first, their watches reminded me of Invicta, especially the more way out designs. But I expected them to be a few hundred dollars, and was thoroughly shocked by their prices. So it's easy to think of Hublot as Invicta for people with more money than sense. The styles don't appeal to me either, but there are people who buy these, much like people who buy Richard Mille, Patek Phillipe, A. Lange & Sohne, and even the more flamboyant Invicta watches. They want a timepiece that's also a statement piece. I get it. But I also can't help thinking that people who own Hublot are actually enjoying the hate, as if they're an elite group who share something that others don't understand or could never attain. That feeling of exclusivity is the root of luxury.
Yup, I own an Hublot and I love to see the "watch enthusiasts" who dress like farmers whine about movements and shit, while my Hublot fits perfectly with my a little bit more fashionable outfits
I wouldn't compare A.Lange & Sohne with Hublot. A.Lange & Sohne produces very beautiful and classy watches, the same cannot be said for Hublot🤣
@@liv0003 I don't think the OP made any comparisons mate.
@@seanlingham5254 Oh.. maybe I misunderstood his comment. Sorry
@@liv0003 Yep. He was making a general statement about people who buy luxury watches and the distinction isn't about the brand but about people who want and are willing to pay large amounts of money for exclusivity. Which I believe he's saying, isn't him (or her).
Great content! Thanks Jenni! We love your cross necklace too!
Love the vid, very informative!
If hublot were in the 2-3 k price category , will they still be hated or nah ?
yes. It's not just the movement, it's also the people who buy them
Bravo !!! Excellent analysis. A few years back I met a finance guy working at Rolex and he told me that if people knew the manufacturing cost of a Rolex compared to retail….they would feel being robbed. You can dislike hublot because of taste issues…..but if you do it for Nico’s motives, I believe you should walk away from many many top brands….because you’re paying a lot of money for an industrialized product that’s simply is overpriced ? Food for thoughts..
You'll have the Rolex fans boys and girls hunting you down. Biggest laugh is Rolex is a charity so they don't pay tax on any profits.
Few years back , I’ve met a guy who’s uncle’s best friend has a friend who owned an electronics shop and one of his employees had a brother who was dating this girl who’s cousin was a finance guy working at Rolex and he said that Rolex watches are worth every penny… What’s the point of your comment? Is it to jump on the hate bandwagon and trash talk Rolex or tell us something that a primary school child already knows?
@@omarion07 Oh summer child, if you think rolex actually costs anything close to what you are paying. Enjoy being robbed.
@@omarion07 the point is that Rolex is overpriced, and Hublot is just doing what Rolex has been doing. When you buy those watches, you pay for the brand advertisment, not the watch
Ive delved deep into the hobby last year and all of yall couldve told me hublot has misaligned screws on the bezel. Thats why i buy seikos; the misalignment, imperfections, and decent reliability for the price match my mood on Monday mornings at work 😂
Very good analysis and conclusion. 👏🏻👏🏻
Interesting point of view. Thx for this video. I've learned something new today.
The issue is that brands like Tissot and Longines who also work off ETA based movements, impeccable finish and use similar exotic materials but come in at a significantly cheaper price. Hublot isn't good value for money and that the biggest issue. This is reflected in their used prices. Visceral hate for the brand is a hype machine for sure but honestly, in the "you get what you pay for" stakes Hublot falls flat on its face.
Every swiss watch brand is overpriced. People can decide what they want to buy for their money...
@@Sarvari_Gergo Compared to what? Your illegal Chinese counterfeit?
@@pistonburner6448 And made by slave workers in communist-run slave shops.
@@Sarvari_Gergo a hublot has a movement that's worth 5% of the entire price, an omega (apart from the moonwatch series) has a on their simplest method a movement that's worth at least 20% of the entire price (speaking of manufacturing cots)
@@kritnicol8546 The Spirit and Big Bangs don't use ETA. Spirits have a skeletonized El Primero 400 (skeletonized and finished by Hublot as HUB4700) for the chronographs. The tourbillon and other versions like the Meca-10 use in house movements too.
The Big Bang uses a Unico 2 movement. Inhouse made flyback chrono.
Only the entry level Classic Fusion watches use ETA based movements (finished by Hublot).
Your statement shows how much you've been drinking the Nikoolaid.
I like the design of Hublot and the size. I have pretty big wrists (21cm) and prefer to wear Watches with 43-46mm and many many of the watches that speak to me are just to small for my preferences. There is of course some Breitling and Panerai but Hublot gives that "unusual" feel.
But I agree with you - I too don't really understand the "copycat" tag. The Tissot PRX, the ML Aikon and even the VC Overseas have more in common with the Oak than to classic fusion in my opinion but earn much less hate.
I have very small wrists, but I still love my 45mm hublot
Always cool reviews. Thanks!
Extraordinary video. Congrautulations. You are so objective!
happy to say that i sub on your channel and nico for quite sometime now. on the topic at hand, the power of influencer is really felt by brands in this digital age. at the end of the day, its about personal choice, but thanks to internet we are more educated before making choices. nice vid Jen, keep it up!
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If it wasn't for COVID, I never would have found Nico and learned that Hublot is worse than trash. Now all I need is a Jacob & Co Astronomia Tarantoola watch.
jacob co just as trash as hublot.
Jacob & Co is the ultimate trash
Tarantooola indeed!
the only thing worse than hublo is jacob and co
@@tortapuker2942 Nico would strongly disagree. Prices and pieces do tend to be over the top though.
Great review! You always provide a very objective point of view!
Owned one that had rubber band, gold case and an emerald green dial. It was a very simple design without a lot of bells and whistles. I got it over 20 years ago and it actually worked pretty well. It was not a bad looking watch. I eventually traded it when I got my first Patek. Don’t really miss it but don’t have any bad feelings about it either. The newer ones I have seen have really gone up in price and look pretty ostentatious. If they ever had a sweet spot, I might have purchased mine during that period.
I am a watch collector including Patek, Lange, Audemars Piguet and FP Journe -- and I like Hublot, within reason. For me, most Hublots are similar in aesthetics to my Royal Oak Offshore so I don't need "another" piece in that category. When my wife wanted a timepiece however, she liked the "masculine" feel to the 38mm Classic Fusion and we both agreed it was a good one for her. It is certainly a luxury timepiece with a style that spoke to her and a very very good build quality, so, why not? Most people don't even look at our wrists anyway!
there are a lot of much better timepieces... You must know that hahaha
Now this is why I like your channel so much. I fell in love with watches just a few years ago. And the first thing I did, as so many others do is to watch reviews and tier lists etc. Everyone hates on Hublot but never ask the question why. For me personally, as I learned is the design, eta and price tag on Hublot that gets me off. But I’m also biased because I’ve been indoctrinated from the start that it is a shit brand.
I want more people to answer the question why when reviewing or listing a watch. Why is it good? Why is it not? The industry is so messed up. Everyone is like, buy a Patek, AP, Rolex etc. I mean, a Patek costs more than I earn in a year prior to taxes. It would take me four years to buy something like that and then I can’t buy anything else besides food and paying rent. Kids these days are nuked by the Flex industry. If you can’t afford a Rolex, you’re trashy. Rant over.
But I love your content. Really really do.
Nicely done! You make so much sense!!!
Definitely best explanation on this topic 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
10/10 thumbnail, just saying...
8:23 "every age can be included" -> ICH BIN REICH UND ICH SCHEIß AUF ALLES! 😂 good one Jenni
The problem with Hublot is that because they started in the 80s they don't have 'heritage' pieces, but also in the 80s no one cared about 'heritage' pieces... it's just that as time moved on all the other brands dumped their 'modern' 80s designs and picked up their 60s designs, Hublot couldn't do that. Most watch 'enthusiasts' basically don't like anything that looks remotely modern, so what should Hublot do? Make something that looks old? They would get even more grief for that. As for price, well how come the Royal Oak gets a free pass on that? Price is a product of what people are willing to pay, and people are obviously willing to pay.
Good point. I also think the 'heritage argument' is spurious in any case. The idea that a new company (life Nomos) can't be 'luxury' because they lack history, while long established brands that have changed ownership so often that they are little more than a badge, somehow can, is ridiculous.
I love the little red 'i' graphic on the side so that you can scroll through the video and know when the next point beings. Very clever !
Very fair view! Excellent video. As Nico said, “Class”. 100% agree!
Totally love this clip. Broke down the Hublot situation very nicely and easily understandable. Your opinions are fantastic and truly objective. And this is why your contents are so loved! Kudos!
I was on the hublot hype train in 2016 and since then they haven’t really changed anything. They used to be trendy, and they haven’t really adapted.
Great great video Jenni. Someone needed to speak with the truth. Quote Nico, "Class!"
A very good summary and approachable analysis of who some watches are and aren't designed for 💗👍🏽⌚
I love Hublot. They are in 80 the watches that start me in the world of watches. I would probably not buy their latest models but the the time for me they were very innovative
There are of course examples of other watch brands for each of the 5 points raised, but Hublot combines them all
And as far as I know, charging north of 10k for an ETA based movement is also a novelty (correct me if I'm wrong)
@@emmeo17 came here to say that
And to be clear, ETA movements are fantastic movements. But if you're using someone else's movement, then you're not putting any money into movement R&D ... so then what are you charging $12k or whatever for?
I was gonna say this. Like, I don’t ever see myself wearing Richard Mille, even if I could afford to part with the money. But to call out their lack of heritage overlooks the fact that they make some incredibly complex and impressive watches.
@@wingeren Exactly! ETA movements per se are excellent (all my watches have ETAs or Sellitas, and are even modified), but they didn't cost me a fortune
I collect all sorts of watches, love them all, from the second hand shop bargains to my special order anniversary collectors items ... they all great works of art.
Fantastic video. Unbiased and full of details. In house certainly holds weight to me. Fads, trends, and flex money isn't for me, but I see why people like to get on board and want to feel like they're part of the newest coolest club.
I could listen to Jenni saying Hublot a hundred times. I was interested in purchasing a Hublot until I saw this, very objective. Just purchased a JLC Polaris, H Moser Rose Gold Pioneer and Blancpain Fifty Fathoms to add to my collection based on her recommendations. Thanks Jenni!
The movement was a big issue with my choice between a Tag (Quartz) and my Longines Hydroquest. Both about £1400, but the Tag with a cheap movement just didn't sit right.
Tag is not a luxury watch anymore.There is no point buying a tag unless he's a formula one enthusiast.
@@Teja81990 Tag is a luxury sports watch. One for a person that can spend the cash and wear it ragged. It's not a watch for someone that's actually gonna need their money back eventually (which isn't very luxurious, IMO).
Thank you for explaining.
Subbed, I find your voice and explanations satisfying
Hublot and Nico have to have had some kind of history with the each other that the rest of us aren’t privy to. There’s no way he would go so hard to tear them down if they were just watches that he doesn’t like.
I don’t hate Hublot either. But, they don’t speak to me, as well. They get way more hate than they deserve. A luxury watch being hated because it’s overpriced? That’s hilarious! The same person that says that is plopping down 4-5 times retail for a panda Daytona.
Daytonas are indeed ridiculously overpriced on the secondary market, although not for long it seems. But at retail price Rolex certainly offers better value, and it’s kind of silly that some Hublot models with a very basic ETA or Sellita movements have higher RRPs than Rolex.
That's not rolex's fault. That's how it is in the 2nd hand market
@@Youthuba I didn’t blame Rolex. Not do I.
@@Youthuba sure, my point was that at retail Rolex is actually kind of reasonably priced unlike Hublot. The only problem is the limited supply of Rolex watches and that is indeed their fault and probably intentional.
@@Youthuba it’s true it’s not Rolex fault.. it’s my grandma’s fault cus she created the waiting list and the she makes it a wishlist.. and I’m so sure she’s gonna make it in your dreams list
Great video!
The reason for Hubolt is that it combined all those factors in 1 brand. Some brands have 1 or 2 of those problems, but Hubolt manage to combined them all in one.
I was looking for a watch with no preconceptions. I saw the Hublot Big Bang in blue and gold and fell in love. My wife bought it for me and I adore it. Fantastic service from Hublot including free service when I stupidly dropped the watch and caused it to stop working. Thoroughly recommend Hublot if it speaks to your taste.
if you drop a watch that costs 12k and it stop working, maybe it isn't so weel made afterall?
You're spot on. The entire hobby from a price to performance standpoint don't make sense anyway. Folks should just collect what they want and enjoy, and let that be the end of it.
Thank you for this clip. I love chronograph movements, I have a Daytona, a Breitling B01, and the moon display Omega. I found a Hublot flyback that I got. Its pushers operate so smoothly. I love it. I also want to get a split second in the future...
Jenni. My eyes 👀 keep staring at your hand movements, admiring the blue watch your wearing :) . Does anyone know what kind of watch that is?
Hublot don't care about the "experts" and "influencer", they are doing fine because a lot of people like their watches.
This is true. These things are going like hotcakes in Asia.
Invicta don't care about the "experts" and "influencer", they are doing fine because a lot of people like their watches.
I mean they advertise alot in football games and then there are rappers like Jay-Z who mention them in their rap songs so there not completely out of the influencers realm
They're always trying to send Nico samples to change his mind. He keeps turning them down
@@EthanRom That's the right thing to do. People and organisations that believe in their product and care for the opinions of others would strive to do that.
Nico put himself in the trash category.
Another great video, as always Jenni.
I’m a watch lover and I love all type of watches. I love my movado as much as I love my luxury watches.
I think the copy cat argument is that their main design, core design, is a copy. Hi lot, port hole was a copy of AP and JC Biver said so himself.
Omega does have some models that are copy cats but they have their own, speedy, etc.
I guess what I’m saying is, it’s okay to copy but if your whole brand is just copying and you charge just as much as the original with an off the shelf movement, expect some negative feedback.
I also think the other hate is that you feel cheated, spend so much and the movement is not in house. It’s like a Daniel Wellington, they’re nice watches but I wouldn’t buy one because I would feel cheated since they’re Chinese watches just relabeled and charged 5x the cost, same with MVMT.
Your thumbnail is fantastic 😂
great video ! very fair review !
I think it is a combination of factors, it is one of the few brands that match a lot of the points you made...
And, for the normal watch enthusiast, who are not in for the status, sometimes it is painful to see how something you have a genuine interest in is co-opted by capitalism to sell overpriced stuff, and yes, it happens to other brands too, but we tend to justify it with history, heritage, or the complexity and challenge of an in-house movement, but if a brand is doing the full status symbol thing and lacks something like that, it hits us in a painful spot, where we can see that the brands that we love are doing it too, even if we justify it...
Anyway, i'm happy with my Seiko 5 for now !
The same thing is for most non precious metal watches selling over $10k. A royal oak is no way worth 30-50k, a Richard mille for 10x that. It is all about what your customer base is willing to pay, not about making a fair profit.
@@casualsuede Mmmm, I was thinking the same thing. OP was really close to that, just not quite stitching together that it's the same logic, the difference is that people accept it in one case and not the other, simply because in one case the believe the status is deserved.
Personally, I think that status is still a trap with the brands that people respect. The only difference is how you personally feel about it. You still buy it for the name. You wouldn't pay nearly that for another name.
And it's funny, once you understand these things, you start to see how it's like that in many industries, with fans surrounding them in internet communities, propping up an inflated value for the products.
And yes, people are willing to pay... but yes... companies selling the products do take advantage of that. And the paths that money moves across don't really benefit consumers at all. You get your status piece, they get lots of cash to keep up in a top-level bubble of investing games. And this all tells them that what they're doing is the right way to go... essentially justifying the exorbitant pricing seen on these legacy brands.
It's ruined my taste for a lot of fancy things out there. I really couldn't care less if I ever own an AP or a Rolex because I understand that a large chunk of the value is fake. Take away the status from the actual physical watch, and the value drops immensely. In a world with quite a lot of poverty in it, this imaginary value strikes me as something a bit grotesque. I would feel bad even wearing a Rolex in many places.
They are all sort of 'tainted' by this mindset that status is valuable. It's something we as buyers don't really benefit from, yet continually not only make excuses for, but support.
Is not capitalism what saved heritage brands after quartz crysis? “Luxury” is epitome of capitalism.
I shopped for a watch without looking at price or brand, and got a Hublot Classic Fusion Ceramic Blue Chronograph 42mm. I come home, google about Hublot, and see all negative search results at the top as if there's an organized hate campaign against Hublot. WTF! These Watches look better than others. End of story. I'm not looking at how super accurate these watches are in telling time. I have my iphone for that. This is a fine piece of beautiful jewelry.
agree with you
The customer is always right in matters of taste
Very nice video about Hublot and the watch industry. Thanks a lot 👍
Is the clip that holds the balance wheel jewel on the Hublot crooked?
I am a big fan of Hublot. I don’t give a f*ck what people say or think. I buy watches that I like.
I recently acquired a Big Bang Integral Blue Ceramic 42mm. Love everything about it! I had a Spirit of Big Bang Ceramic Blue a few years ago. The honeymoon phase never wore off on that one. And it was my most complimented watch ever.
Most people hate them because they go with what they’re told. Most people are sheep and when you look at these people they’re always dull and boring looking. Who would take fashion advice from Nico. He looks like a fat squirrel! Everyone loves Rolex yet everyone I know has a Rolex and 99% of these people are chavs!
Don’t let others judge your watch collecting decisions. 🍻
@@ondreiii Facts.
Then you are genuine enthusiast who enjoys this fun hobby
Good on you! I also love Hublot. I own Ap, Pateks, Rolexes and Cartier. I buy what looks good to me
Your 5 reasons are enough for me, and it seems, most. Top reason is their pricing gives me the impression that they’re laughing at their ill-informed customers from their hollowed-out volcano whilst counting their dirty cash.
Great vid as always Jenni. I still love you way more than is appropriate.😉
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@@brianmckibben2300 …the above message and Hublot both!
My good friend owns Hublot, Richard Mille and Jacob n Co watches. I tell him all the time I don’t like those things they are too gawdy and this and that. We went on a short trip together and he wore a Hublot Big Bang that was encrusted with diamonds! I teased him for owning such a thing. I was also mesmerized by it. My eyes were glued to his wrist the whole damn week.
You are a talented lady. Loving your work.
My boss's boss knew I was a 'watch guy' and excitedly popped into my office to show me his new Hublot that bought. It was some RM looking thing which he 'humble bragged' he only paid 21k for when it was a 30k retail. I had to sit there for 20min as he showed me every detail. The whole time I'm sitting there wearing a Vostok Amphibia with a sailboat on the dial.
You had me at Vostok
Vostok sucks.
@@seanlingham5254 Do you own one? Otherwise your opinion sucks.
It is impossible for Hublot fans to talk about their watch and not talk about how much they paid
i just saw that watch a couple days ago. it's so classic Hublot. To look more expensive and valuable than it actually is
if you're interested in 'Trash", consider a Patek 5085 model...then send it to the Henry Stern Watch Agency in NYC (Patek's service center) to correct all of the issues that these watches shipped with. My 5085 looked like it was stamped by a blacksmith, and had so many defects that the service writer filled a page with complaints. Then they put the case in a vise, dented it, scratched the dial, scratched the movement, stripped 2 bracelet screws. So the AD then sent it to Geneve, and they left all of the defects except the bracelet screw, and returned a dented and badly flawed watch. Patek's official response :"Perhaps you are the not the kind of person who should buy a Patek"! Which is why I always dislike lists like the quoted blogger (Nico) puts forth. Much is based on hype and personal supposition, rather than experience.
That sounds insane. I've never owned a Patek for obvious financial reasons, but I've always assumed their servicing was top notch.
@@Yorosero You'd be surprised, even companies like Rolex are very bad with service. For first time buyers, you will get treated like shit at most Rolex boutiques.
@@Yorosero I was shocked as well. They used to have a fellow named David Jarrett who ran the HSWA back then and he was an arrogant bastard. (in my opinion) It was only when I posted the pics of the watch on TimeZone, still in the shrink-wrap, with the dents in the case, that he finally admitted that it matched their case-holder vice. Prior to that, he blamed my AD and 100 other things. The dealer accepted a return on the watch and it was only 14 years later that I decided to buy another Patek. I went with a 5712, and now I shudder to realize it needs to have its period service....and I have to send it to NYC....
@@itspapaj4732 You are telling the truth. I had a REF6263 Rolex that I owned since I was a kid and had it serviced a few times at Rolex. The last time (I think it was 1990), they scratched the dial and cracked the bezel. I called to complain and they claimed that I did the damage. I asked them how I could scratch the dial and the guy lost his mind. After he yelled at me for a few minutes, he hung up on me. 10 min later the "VP of Service" called me back to apologize, and sent a shipping label. This time they serviced it like they were mad at it, and ground on of the pushers almost flat and gouged the lug. So, I put the watch away for a decade before deciding to have it restored. Now, I think I'll send to LA Watchworks and have them add back all of the lost metal. In recent times, Rolex also destroyed my brother's 6263 by cracking the bezel, and they have disclaimers galore on their paperwork. You are powerless and 'just a number' to them.
Your only reasonable response to their letter after the shit service they gave you is, "yes, you are absolutely correct!"
Her smiles contagious
Thanks for the chronext code sweetness.
Well- considered analysis, Jenni, enjoyed it. Personally I have no interest in hype trains or flex objects, so for me that also includes Rolex, RO, Nautilus and the like. But at the end of the day no-one really much cares what you are wearing except you, so buy what you like, means something to you and are prepared to pay for.
I consider myself a watch enthusiast. I have a 5 piece collection, and one of those is a Hublot Big Bang Unico Chrono. It is my party watch. I have two watches that are more expensive, and I wear those more oftenly. And I understand, Hublot is not the peak of horology, and it is overpriced, but trust me, over the years, around 100 watches have passed through my watch box, but Hublot stayed. It is my “fuck you” watch. And everyone needs a “fuck you” watch.
What other watches you got right now in your 5 piece collection?
@@jackdaniels8030 Wimbledon Two tone DJ, Blancpain villeret ultra plate 6651 1127 55B, and two pieces I am not comfortable revealing.
My fuck you watch is a mavado love it even though I know a lot don't that's what got me interested in watches
@@albertvalenzuela9700 let me guess - 800 series all gold?
@@miroslavrnjakovic8850 no don't care for the gold look it's the Swiss sapphire stainless steel
I had a Who Blows Classic!, It Broke it self !, 1 the rubber band cracked!, 2 the the crown popped out!, & then I just put it in the parts bin !.
Could anyone tell me what that watch is at 8:03? That one looks amazing.
i would say hublot would be a great watch if priced right
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Thank you, while they certainly deserve criticism, i always found this crazy hate more of a community watch snobism than anything else. And btw the analogy about the bentley is kind of wrong because Bentley while not having Ford engines have Volkswagen engines lol.
All good points, Jenni. I don't gravitate to Hublot, but I do celebrate anyone who buys one and genuinely loves their watch.
any idea what watch on 8:02?
I wasn’t sure how I felt until I tried on the Classic Fusion a few weeks ago. It’s not a bad watch. I had 11 pieces already, this one was worth adding. Not for flexing but for personal preference. It’s simple yet fun
My main reason for hating Hublot is the value proposition and their claims of using "in house" movements when they were just decorated ETA/Sellita movements.
Sounds like IWC until a few years ago.
the have their unico movements now, which is inhouse
They just look expensive that’s all.
Exactly. Liars are trash!
Mostly in-house. Movements not the issue.
08:03 what is that watch with the black dial?
Anyone know what the Rolex at 6:59 is please? That watch is gorgeous!!
Every one of those points could be applied to some other brands (I won't name my own suggestions!), as you mention at the end of the video. You only have to dip into the average comment section to see why so many in the watch community hate Hublot - it's a lot to do with snobbishness towards the people perceived to buy them, as shown by the derisive comments of "footballer/rapper watches".
That is so true - 99% of the hate Hublot gets is just people trying to position themselves as better than the people that buy Hublots.
The issue is how much they charge for their watches based on the 'quality' you get for that money. If they were half the price, I doubt the hate would be as strong. Just my opinion, but if people like them and own them, that's fantastic, to each their own. The great thing about this hobby is there is something for everyone.
i mean, do you get 80 000$ of quality in an AP RO ? I know ressell value yada yada yada, but do you, really ? Even the cost of production, if you'd think it cost AP a thousand in materials it would be an overestimation by a lot, Tag heuer sells a 2000$ watch with a quartz movement, there is nh35 watches that costs over a thousand, and people likes them.
Does anyone know the name of the watch at 8:03?
Hi Enthusiasts! Can anyone please tell me what I am looking at 8:03 ? Thanks!!
Thank you Jeannie for breaking this down dispassionately. Luckily for me, I detest the style of Hublot watches so I am not tempted to buy one.
What watch vloggers and collectors don’t seem to understand is that, not everybody cares about in-house production and brand heritage, a lot of people just like the look and feel of a watch, and buy it exactly for this reason. The watch market largely rests on these people, which is why brands like Hublot that are often called out) are still doing great.
tag heuer trash too, but not antique heuer watch
But hublot is overpriced, thats not an opinion but a fact if you compare it to other watches with the same movements and specs.
They say Hublot copies AP or PP while Seiko, the traditional watch lover brand, is blatantly copying Rolex and no one gives a crap
@@oa1145 how do you come to that conclusion?
@@bobrocker6582 Find me something with the designs and the patented materials like scratch proof dark gold that Hublot uses in their products
What was that all black watch at minute 8:02?
The way you delivered "Shittest" was great
I like them a lot actually, they do a lot of cool things with materials and design. I'd just never pay what they go for.
get it second hand... if you can get it for 60 % off msrp you should be able to break even.
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Hublot's lower level watches are very overpriced, but the higher end stuff is not that bad when compared to other brands.
The designs are pretty far out there but that's a feature not a bug.
The newly released Sang Bleu II in green ceramic is a watch that I love and would consider buying if I could find it for a good price
I love the design of hublots. The materials good and it feels premium, looks great, and works. Other than the price I don’t see any real problem or reason to hate it. The people buying it make mad cash anyway
I m so happy.